WEBVTT - I'll Buy That for a Dollar: Antiques Roadshow 0:00:00.480 --> 0:00:02.720 Ridiculous crime. It's a production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:03.520 --> 0:00:05.279 Hi Zaren, Hello Elizabeth? 0:00:05.280 --> 0:00:06.120 How are you today? 0:00:06.440 --> 0:00:08.480 I'm doing well. How about you? You look like you're 0:00:08.480 --> 0:00:10.080 doing well? Am I right? Is that a good read 0:00:10.080 --> 0:00:10.559 on my part? 0:00:10.680 --> 0:00:10.960 I am? 0:00:11.000 --> 0:00:15.600 Well, you know it's ridiculous, I do tell me all right? 0:00:15.800 --> 0:00:20.600 You know how hockey they allow fighting, yes, which I imagine 0:00:20.480 --> 0:00:21.680 you're probably not a fan of. 0:00:22.320 --> 0:00:23.400 It depends on my mood. 0:00:23.560 --> 0:00:27.160 Oh really, okay, Well, are you familiar with the NHL's 0:00:27.280 --> 0:00:30.960 Washington Capitals. No team, They're a hockey team, and so 0:00:30.960 --> 0:00:33.640 they have minor league teams in hockey, just like in baseball. 0:00:33.960 --> 0:00:36.160 The lowercase, Yes. 0:00:36.920 --> 0:00:39.320 The Washington lowercase. Then see what I did? 0:00:39.520 --> 0:00:40.720 I did. I was trying to let it. 0:00:40.720 --> 0:00:45.520 Go sometimes sometimes I'm so funny and I don't even 0:00:45.560 --> 0:00:46.680 know what to do about that. 0:00:47.280 --> 0:00:52.120 So they're minor league team. Is the Hershey Bears? Yes, 0:00:52.520 --> 0:00:54.360 so you think of it had like a chocolate thing 0:00:54.360 --> 0:00:58.840 with the other anyway, So the Hershey Bears, they were 0:00:58.880 --> 0:01:01.040 having a game. They just had to have the competition. 0:01:01.120 --> 0:01:03.600 They let some people out on the ice, and uh, 0:01:04.160 --> 0:01:06.800 I'll kind of skip ahead to point out that the 0:01:06.800 --> 0:01:09.880 Bears had to afterwards release his statement that said quote, 0:01:10.240 --> 0:01:12.480 this did not reflect the values of the sport or 0:01:12.560 --> 0:01:16.040 the standards we expect when young athletes are on the ice. 0:01:16.600 --> 0:01:19.240 So apparently a bunch of young athletes got into a 0:01:19.360 --> 0:01:23.160 fight on the ice. And when I say young athletes, Elizabeth, 0:01:23.240 --> 0:01:28.440 it was an eight and undersquad from Pennsylvania, no squad 0:01:29.120 --> 0:01:33.640 scrimmage between the American Hockey League teams. And so while 0:01:33.680 --> 0:01:37.280 these like eight and unders, the fight lasted for more 0:01:37.440 --> 0:01:39.640 like basically about a minute long. And there's all these 0:01:39.640 --> 0:01:42.600 clips because you know, everybody always records everything. Yeah, so 0:01:42.680 --> 0:01:45.920 the people at the Giant Center, they could be heard cheering. 0:01:46.440 --> 0:01:49.120 Particularly there was like this one the goalie he delivered 0:01:49.160 --> 0:01:51.440 a hard hit to an opponent who was like, you know, 0:01:51.520 --> 0:01:55.280 messing with his The crowds cheering under eight these kids 0:01:55.320 --> 0:01:57.920 are under it. Oh no, the goalie comes out of 0:01:57.960 --> 0:02:01.800 the box and just like levels another crowd or RUPs, right, 0:02:02.280 --> 0:02:06.320 so they uh, And this is why the Bears team 0:02:06.360 --> 0:02:08.800 had to release the statement that quote, this did not 0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:11.360 reflect the values of the sport or the standards we expect. 0:02:11.480 --> 0:02:14.720 I was like, wait, hockey, Yeah, you guys are all 0:02:14.760 --> 0:02:16.799 about the fighting. And then they had to add to 0:02:16.840 --> 0:02:22.320 that little like a qualifier when young athletes are apparently 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:25.480 if you shave, you can then somebody. 0:02:25.919 --> 0:02:27.760 So yeah, oh my goodness. 0:02:27.440 --> 0:02:29.400 So there you go. I thought that was kind of ridiculous. 0:02:29.520 --> 0:02:31.959 That is ridiculous. Do you want to know what else 0:02:32.040 --> 0:02:32.720 is ridiculous? 0:02:32.760 --> 0:02:34.000 Please? I love ridiculous. 0:02:34.240 --> 0:02:59.400 Keepsake, send curios. This is Ridiculous Crime A podcast about 0:02:59.520 --> 0:03:04.400 absurd and outrageous capers. Heis and cons It's always ninety 0:03:04.480 --> 0:03:08.519 nine percent murder free and one hundred percent ridiculous. Damn right, 0:03:08.600 --> 0:03:11.359 I know, I am. You know that show Antiques Roadshow? 0:03:11.800 --> 0:03:13.040 Yes, I love that show. 0:03:13.120 --> 0:03:16.160 Yeah. Just to just to clarify before we start chopping 0:03:16.160 --> 0:03:18.760 it up about the show, let me explain what it 0:03:18.800 --> 0:03:23.440 is for non PBS watchers. Okay, So Antiques Road Show 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:26.520 started as a British reality TV. 0:03:26.360 --> 0:03:28.480 Show Oh really, of course, a. 0:03:28.440 --> 0:03:34.240 BBC jam and in that one, antiques appraisers appraise antiques 0:03:34.840 --> 0:03:38.120 brought in by local people all across the UK. They 0:03:38.120 --> 0:03:42.320 would talk about provenance, history, the value of the items, 0:03:42.360 --> 0:03:46.280 all those things. And it's actually started as a documentary 0:03:46.400 --> 0:03:49.480 in nineteen seventy seven, oh wow, and then it became 0:03:49.520 --> 0:03:51.680 this regular show in nineteen seventy nine. 0:03:52.640 --> 0:03:54.440 We get more of that I want, I want one a. 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:56.800 Week and they all right, here you go. So nineteen 0:03:56.840 --> 0:03:58.640 seventy nine is when that kicked off, and then there 0:03:58.640 --> 0:04:03.760 are like subsequent inner national versions all throughout Europe, North America, 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:09.280 other countries, same format, So Roadshow was big. The British 0:04:09.360 --> 0:04:14.280 version was big in the US on Public Broadcasting Service PBS, Yes, 0:04:14.880 --> 0:04:18.880 public television stations. So they created their own American version, 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:23.040 same format, local antiques owners bring in their prize possessions 0:04:23.040 --> 0:04:27.239 to be appraised by experts. The American version first aired 0:04:27.279 --> 0:04:28.479 in nineteen ninety. 0:04:28.200 --> 0:04:30.760 Seven thanks to viewers like me, thanks Aunt. 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:34.839 Darlene Shiley, and it has been nominated twenty two times 0:04:34.880 --> 0:04:36.160 for the Primetime Emmys. 0:04:36.440 --> 0:04:39.120 Really twenty two times times. That's crazy. 0:04:39.240 --> 0:04:42.679 And so in the UK version they set up shop 0:04:42.720 --> 0:04:45.720 at some like Grand Manor, and it feels like you 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:49.200 either get folks with very charming items that their families 0:04:49.200 --> 0:04:53.599 had passed down and also rescued from the blitz, or 0:04:53.880 --> 0:04:57.240 like super blase folks with very expensive art who should 0:04:57.360 --> 0:05:01.039 know better than to go flaunting that stuff on TV. Oh, 0:05:00.880 --> 0:05:02.720 I have some grace, don't be crass. 0:05:02.839 --> 0:05:04.760 Oh I thought, you know they're making themselves marks for. 0:05:04.839 --> 0:05:07.480 Like no, but it's just like you know, darn well 0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:09.839 how much this is worth and what the story is 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:11.359 in it. You're just bragging on. 0:05:11.480 --> 0:05:14.719 I misread cat. So they're basically like, can I have 0:05:14.760 --> 0:05:17.560 an expert? Just kind of like shine me off on TV? 0:05:17.720 --> 0:05:22.360 Precisely. Then we have the American version. There are great 0:05:22.400 --> 0:05:25.159 segments where people bring in things that actually belong in 0:05:25.200 --> 0:05:27.720 a museum, like they get listed as priceless. 0:05:27.800 --> 0:05:28.800 Yes, I love when I see that. 0:05:28.839 --> 0:05:31.720 A lot of Native American and Inuit pieces are like that, 0:05:32.560 --> 0:05:35.039 or the good ones where people who think they have 0:05:35.080 --> 0:05:39.200 a priceless artifact but they do not. They've been told 0:05:39.240 --> 0:05:41.719 some lie by a family member about how it was 0:05:41.839 --> 0:05:45.039 gifted to their great great grandma from a Chinese princess. 0:05:45.160 --> 0:05:49.560 It was traveling through their town in North Dakota, and 0:05:49.600 --> 0:05:53.400 the appraisers all actually it's circa nineteen eighty six from 0:05:53.440 --> 0:05:57.440 the Bombay company at the local Westfield mall. Love that. 0:05:58.000 --> 0:06:00.880 The best, though, are the ones where the person has 0:06:00.920 --> 0:06:03.479 something that they like and they think it's interesting, but 0:06:03.520 --> 0:06:05.920 they don't really know anything about it. Yeah, so maybe 0:06:05.960 --> 0:06:09.400 they like bought a bought like an item that they 0:06:09.400 --> 0:06:13.479 thought was cool at a garage sale three bucks, like 0:06:13.560 --> 0:06:16.320 a bowl or something, or like a painting caught their 0:06:16.320 --> 0:06:18.480 eye at a thrift store and they paid thirty bucks 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:21.480 for it, or it was their grandma's and they always 0:06:21.600 --> 0:06:24.600 liked it, and then grandma passes away. They get it 0:06:24.640 --> 0:06:27.360 always reminds them of her sits on the side table 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:30.600 in the living room. So they're just curious about how 0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:33.240 old the thing is or like any background it might have. 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:34.920 It's like, tell me the story of this object. 0:06:35.000 --> 0:06:36.680 Yeah, they're not looking to get rich. But then the 0:06:36.680 --> 0:06:39.080 appraiser just like blows their mind and the thing is 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:41.480 where hundreds of thousands and they start to cry. Those 0:06:41.480 --> 0:06:42.080 are my favorite. 0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:43.159 I do love that. Those are good. 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:45.159 So do you watch antiques road show? 0:06:45.360 --> 0:06:49.080 My sister loves all shows where there's like either bargains 0:06:49.200 --> 0:06:51.560 or appraisals or anything like that. So she's like a 0:06:51.600 --> 0:06:54.080 big like shopper and she likes to, like, you know, 0:06:54.120 --> 0:06:56.360 she actually does really well. She finds things at places 0:06:56.440 --> 0:07:01.840 like you know, antiques, like antique houses, is Good Wills wherever, 0:07:01.880 --> 0:07:03.719 and she'll like be like, oh, this is because she 0:07:03.800 --> 0:07:06.400 watches these shows. She knows a ton of different things 0:07:06.440 --> 0:07:09.040 that are valuable. So shout out to my sister. I've 0:07:09.040 --> 0:07:11.880 always impressed, like how much she knows about these things. 0:07:12.160 --> 0:07:14.520 I dislike watching the human reactions, and then I like 0:07:14.600 --> 0:07:17.720 watching the experts kind of glaze people off, like going, 0:07:17.760 --> 0:07:19.400 oh man, this is really cool. It's actually beginning, they 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:21.160 tell him, like the school of artists who made it, 0:07:21.600 --> 0:07:23.840 and then I learned something or else. I also like 0:07:23.880 --> 0:07:26.840 it when it's like like some personal like shame where 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:29.640 it's like this is actually a slave made bracelet, so 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:33.160 your family was likely. Yeah, those are brutal. So I'm 0:07:33.160 --> 0:07:33.720 a little dark. 0:07:33.720 --> 0:07:38.160 And my the show when I was younger, we'd watch it. 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:42.840 My brother would start scanning around the house. Could I 0:07:42.880 --> 0:07:46.800 take it? And we're just like, there's nothing of value here, trap, 0:07:46.840 --> 0:07:50.920 there's absolutely nothing. You actually you caught me watching an 0:07:50.960 --> 0:07:53.200 episode here at headquarters while I was eating my lunch 0:07:53.280 --> 0:07:53.680 the other. 0:07:53.800 --> 0:07:56.720 Yes, totally. When you slam shut your laptop like you, 0:07:57.360 --> 0:07:58.280 I was waiting. 0:07:57.960 --> 0:08:01.160 For the interns to finish changing my oil and I 0:08:01.240 --> 0:08:05.840 was it was just killing time. Yeah, because they did. 0:08:05.920 --> 0:08:10.040 There's an air filter change so on it. Because we 0:08:10.200 --> 0:08:13.680 Americans can't seem to do anything without grift and fraud. 0:08:14.320 --> 0:08:17.640 There's a reason. There's a reason I'm talking about the 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:23.360 American version of Antiques Roadshow today. There's crime. That's why 0:08:23.360 --> 0:08:27.800 we're here. So I've got three American Antiques road Show 0:08:27.920 --> 0:08:32.200 adjacent crimes for you today. Let's start with a couple 0:08:32.240 --> 0:08:37.880 of Civil War appraisers, Russell Pritchard the third and George Juno. 0:08:38.679 --> 0:08:42.760 So Pritchard, he's like, he's this third generation antiques dealer 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:46.560 from New Jersey, and he presents himself as an expert 0:08:46.600 --> 0:08:52.760 in Americana, ethnographic objects, especially Native American artifacts, and his 0:08:52.880 --> 0:08:56.720 family business background and he has like this polished demeanor. 0:08:56.800 --> 0:09:04.079 They they helped him cultivate incredible credibility in the antiques trade. 0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:05.880 It's a great place, so I imagine to establish that. 0:09:06.160 --> 0:09:09.880 Yeah, his dad, Russell Pritchard Junior, was the former director 0:09:09.920 --> 0:09:13.280 of the Civil War Library and Museum in Philadelphia. Huh, 0:09:13.440 --> 0:09:15.960 So he's got it's just in the family. So he 0:09:16.120 --> 0:09:20.120 positions himself not only as doing you know, the Americana 0:09:20.160 --> 0:09:24.160 and such, he becomes a military as specialist and appraiser. 0:09:24.200 --> 0:09:27.560 By like the mid nineties, he was the co owner 0:09:27.679 --> 0:09:33.640 of the American Ordnance Preservation Association AOPA. 0:09:33.960 --> 0:09:35.280 Like the Canniball Finders. 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:38.200 I guess they're like Save the Cannibals, which was in 0:09:38.240 --> 0:09:41.840 the quote business of dealing in and appraising eighteenth and 0:09:41.920 --> 0:09:46.160 nineteenth century military items and also serving quote as a 0:09:46.200 --> 0:09:48.920 consultant to various museums and libraries. 0:09:49.200 --> 0:09:51.720 Okay, so you got spent call him right. 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:53.960 You're like, what's this? Gunde? Like, no, put it down. 0:09:54.800 --> 0:09:58.520 So George Juneo he was an associate of Pritchard, and 0:09:58.600 --> 0:10:02.800 he was not a recognized antiques authority, but instead he 0:10:02.920 --> 0:10:05.360 just kind of worked with Pritchard in like acquiring and 0:10:05.400 --> 0:10:06.720 reselling objects. 0:10:06.720 --> 0:10:08.560 So he didn't know like a claymore from a clay 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:09.760 achm precisely. 0:10:10.160 --> 0:10:14.480 So Pritchard's the expert, Juno's just like the facilitator got you. 0:10:15.360 --> 0:10:18.640 In the late nineties early two thousand's, Antiques road Show 0:10:19.600 --> 0:10:24.440 had established itself as this widely trusted public television program 0:10:24.480 --> 0:10:27.280 and they would do these appraisal events all over the US. 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:32.560 Appraisers and guests were expected to disclose any conflicts of interest, 0:10:33.120 --> 0:10:35.800 and the items that they brought for appraisal were assumed 0:10:35.800 --> 0:10:38.640 to be owned by the person presenting them. Yes, that's 0:10:38.679 --> 0:10:42.640 just part of the country. So Pritchard and Juno they 0:10:42.679 --> 0:10:49.400 would purchase valuable antiques privately at relatively low prices, and 0:10:49.440 --> 0:10:53.400 then they would present those same items on antiques road 0:10:53.440 --> 0:10:56.760 show like they belonged to some clueless owner who had 0:10:56.800 --> 0:10:58.000 recently discovered they. 0:10:57.960 --> 0:11:00.840 Would have a shilling, and then they appraise. 0:11:01.040 --> 0:11:06.040 So that the televised appraisal, well, it would totally spike 0:11:06.120 --> 0:11:10.400 the object's perceived value and marketability. So to pull this off, 0:11:10.520 --> 0:11:13.480 friends of Theirs appeared on camera as the quote owner, 0:11:14.280 --> 0:11:17.160 and then Pritchard used his insider knowledge of the market 0:11:17.280 --> 0:11:20.880 to select things that would be likely to receive high appraisals. 0:11:21.160 --> 0:11:24.600 Here's the thing. The show wasn't told that the items 0:11:24.640 --> 0:11:28.559 had already been purchased for resale and that the presenters 0:11:28.559 --> 0:11:31.800 had this financial interest in the outcome of the appraisal. 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:32.840 Yeah, of course not so. 0:11:33.720 --> 0:11:36.360 In nineteen ninety six, Juno and Pritchard had this guy 0:11:36.440 --> 0:11:40.760 named Steve come on and he brought a Civil War sword. Now, 0:11:40.800 --> 0:11:43.720 behind the scenes, they told Steve what to say about 0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:48.160 the sword, rehearsing it. Oh, they had to have he 0:11:48.200 --> 0:11:50.280 was he was supposed to come out and tell them 0:11:50.559 --> 0:11:54.280 that he used to cut watermelons with the sword when 0:11:54.320 --> 0:11:57.559 he was a boy. And they're like, okay, you wild's 0:11:57.600 --> 0:12:01.120 so so good and like all everyone can picture it, 0:12:01.200 --> 0:12:08.080 and it's just so wholesome with a sword and like 0:12:08.200 --> 0:12:10.400 you know, back when I was knee high to aggress. 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:11.800 How you want more watermelon? 0:12:12.000 --> 0:12:17.800 Mo my arm? So Steve tells the story and everyone, oh, 0:12:17.800 --> 0:12:21.440 they'll chuckle, but then they gasp when Prigard and Juno 0:12:21.600 --> 0:12:24.600 revealed that the sword is actually worth a cool thirty 0:12:24.600 --> 0:12:28.400 five thousand dollars. Steve, he's gobsmacked. 0:12:28.520 --> 0:12:29.480 I bet acting. 0:12:31.080 --> 0:12:34.040 So they didn't get any money out of this scam, 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:37.160 but it was used to lay the groundwork. So this 0:12:37.200 --> 0:12:40.800 would get them more airtime on Antique's road show so 0:12:40.840 --> 0:12:44.840 they could promote their business, American Ordnance Preservation Association. 0:12:44.880 --> 0:12:46.680 They were just water yeah at this. 0:12:46.760 --> 0:12:49.240 Point, Yeah, lay in the ground, where chum the waters. 0:12:49.520 --> 0:12:53.880 So another incident involved a Navajo chief's blanket, which is 0:12:53.920 --> 0:12:58.240 a highly prized category in terms of nineteenth century Native 0:12:58.240 --> 0:12:58.840 American text. 0:12:58.960 --> 0:12:59.720 Sure those patterns. 0:13:00.320 --> 0:13:04.480 Yeah, so Pritchard and Juno, Oh yeah, they bought the 0:13:04.520 --> 0:13:07.560 blanket from its original owner for like five thousand dollars. 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:10.480 They didn't tell the seller that they were going to 0:13:10.640 --> 0:13:14.599 use it for a televised appraisal, and so the blanket 0:13:15.120 --> 0:13:18.920 is later presented on Antique's Roadshow as a newly discovered 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:22.360 family heirloom, like, look who we found in this chest? 0:13:22.679 --> 0:13:27.640 Is what is this thing? So during the broadcast, Pritchard 0:13:27.760 --> 0:13:30.240 is like, you know what, I would value it at 0:13:30.280 --> 0:13:34.200 approximately three hundred and fifty thousand dollars. What he's like, 0:13:34.240 --> 0:13:36.720 it is so rare, it's in perfect condition. 0:13:37.120 --> 0:13:40.240 Purchase for five grand. 0:13:40.400 --> 0:13:45.680 So the episode airs and it dramatically inflates the blanket's 0:13:45.760 --> 0:13:50.000 perceived market value viewers. They have no idea that a 0:13:50.240 --> 0:13:53.320 the presenters already own the item and that b this 0:13:53.440 --> 0:13:57.439 appraisal is like directly benefiting them. So after the broadcast, 0:13:57.559 --> 0:14:01.240 the blanket gets resold for this huge, huge profit, and 0:14:01.280 --> 0:14:05.280 then it's directly tied to the credibility and the exposure 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:08.960 provided by the show. Of course, so they didn't do 0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:11.200 this with just the blanket. 0:14:11.280 --> 0:14:13.000 A bunch of like that. 0:14:13.160 --> 0:14:18.400 Investigators later identified multiple items that followed the same trajectory 0:14:18.720 --> 0:14:23.960 private purchase, deceptive on air presentation, profitable resale. So Juno 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:28.480 and Pritchard they did attract new customers with that watermelon 0:14:28.560 --> 0:14:31.960 sword segment, and then they conned them all over again. 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:36.280 They convinced the descendants of Major Samuel Wilson, who was 0:14:36.320 --> 0:14:40.440 a Civil War Army a Union Army officer, to sell 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:43.000 one of his swords. And they told the family that 0:14:43.040 --> 0:14:46.520 they were acting on behalf of the Harrisburg National Civil 0:14:46.560 --> 0:14:51.000 War Museum. Oh and the sword's worth eight grand and 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:55.400 would they accept this offer? So Juno and Pritchard, you know, 0:14:55.440 --> 0:14:57.760 They're like, the sword will be on display at the 0:14:57.840 --> 0:15:00.200 museum so that everyone can learn about your ani as 0:15:01.160 --> 0:15:03.720 the Wilson family. They're like so honored. They're like, yes, 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:06.440 we agree to the deal. So they pay the eight 0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:09.040 thousand for the sword. Then they turn around and they 0:15:09.080 --> 0:15:12.520 sell it to a private collector for twenty grand. Nothing 0:15:12.560 --> 0:15:14.440 to do with the museum. And there was an even 0:15:14.560 --> 0:15:18.080 bigger scam run on the descendants of George E. Pickett. 0:15:18.760 --> 0:15:22.720 He charged huh major general and the Confederate side. 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:24.280 During the Civil War Gettysburg. 0:15:25.440 --> 0:15:28.040 He was one of the commanders at Pickett's charged, thus 0:15:28.080 --> 0:15:32.200 the name a quote futile and bloody Confederate offensive. On 0:15:32.280 --> 0:15:34.120 the third day of the Battle of Gettysburg. 0:15:34.200 --> 0:15:35.360 Oh I watch ken Burns. 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:39.000 Yeah you do. So Juno and Pritchard, they set their 0:15:39.040 --> 0:15:42.960 sights on George E. Pickett the fifth. Okay, so Picket 0:15:42.960 --> 0:15:45.400 the fifth had a sword and other items that the 0:15:45.440 --> 0:15:50.040 og George Pickett had, and then Juno and Pritchard they're like, 0:15:50.080 --> 0:15:51.800 they look at all this stuff and they're like, this 0:15:51.880 --> 0:15:56.520 is worth about eighty eight thousand dollars, and pick At 0:15:56.520 --> 0:15:57.320 the Fifth's. 0:15:57.040 --> 0:15:59.200 Like dang, okay, yeah, I bet he was. 0:15:59.360 --> 0:16:01.960 So they buy it and then they turned around and 0:16:02.000 --> 0:16:04.800 they sold it all for eight hundred and eighty thousand dollars. 0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:06.480 Oh he dropped a dicil point so. 0:16:06.520 --> 0:16:10.600 Yeah, put loopsy. So Piket sued them in nineteen ninety nine. 0:16:10.880 --> 0:16:14.160 He got an eight hundred thousand dollars settlement from a jury. Good, 0:16:14.680 --> 0:16:18.160 but their time in court was just beginning. Oh yeah. 0:16:18.520 --> 0:16:22.320 Back Meanwhile, over at Antiques road Show, the suspicions are 0:16:22.800 --> 0:16:27.600 rising because producers and outside experts are starting to notice 0:16:27.680 --> 0:16:32.240 these inconsistencies, So items appearing on the show later get 0:16:32.280 --> 0:16:37.440 traced to dealers rather than private owners. Similar objects resurfaced 0:16:37.640 --> 0:16:41.960 on the antiques market just after broadcast, and they're marketed 0:16:42.000 --> 0:16:44.520 with references to their road show appearance. 0:16:44.720 --> 0:16:46.880 Okay, I was figuring out on TV. 0:16:47.120 --> 0:16:51.560 Yeah, here's my favorite. The same individuals appeared repeatedly with 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:53.640 unusually significant objects. 0:16:54.080 --> 0:16:55.040 They used the same show. 0:16:55.200 --> 0:16:56.200 The biggest screw up. 0:16:56.320 --> 0:16:57.560 They couldn't even come up. 0:16:57.480 --> 0:17:01.120 With characters and costumes, do some wig stuff, like I 0:17:01.200 --> 0:17:04.280 know these dudes are into wing stuff, make up fun 0:17:04.400 --> 0:17:06.919 names and backstories. I mean, look, they did it with 0:17:06.960 --> 0:17:10.600 the watermelon. That's the best part of crime, the. 0:17:12.080 --> 0:17:12.359 Character. 0:17:12.840 --> 0:17:15.840 Yes, So PBS and the show's producers they begin an 0:17:15.920 --> 0:17:20.520 internal review, and once the concerns were like solidified, they 0:17:20.680 --> 0:17:23.600 turned everything over to the FEDS. Oh, and they're like, 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:26.040 you know, we're not going to handle this internally. You 0:17:26.080 --> 0:17:30.600 do it. So the US Attorney's Office investigated, uh, these 0:17:30.640 --> 0:17:34.760 two for wire fraud because it was involved in interstate 0:17:34.840 --> 0:17:41.240 television broadcasting communications. Oh wow, so Juno and Prechers they 0:17:41.280 --> 0:17:45.600 catch these federal charges, fake appraisals, wire fraud, federal mail. 0:17:46.240 --> 0:17:49.399 All of this was beyond what they'd done on TV. 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:49.840 Like it. 0:17:50.480 --> 0:17:54.080 It went so much further than that. So Juno cut 0:17:54.119 --> 0:17:57.240 a deal for a reduced sentence. He testified against Pritchers. 0:17:57.280 --> 0:17:58.760 I was just about to say, I know, they flipped 0:17:58.760 --> 0:17:59.280 on each other. 0:17:59.359 --> 0:18:01.440 And he got a six month sentence in a work 0:18:01.480 --> 0:18:03.800 release program. Six months, and then he had to pay 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:08.239 thirty thousand dollars as a fine. Pritchard, different story. He 0:18:08.280 --> 0:18:11.399 got sentenced to one year for the military antiques fraud. 0:18:11.440 --> 0:18:14.480 He had to pay that eight eight hundred and thirty 0:18:14.680 --> 0:18:19.679 thousand dollars in restitution. PBS responded publicly, and they were 0:18:19.800 --> 0:18:23.840 very decisive. They pulled those episodes that the guys were on. 0:18:24.720 --> 0:18:29.040 They tightened disclosure and conflict of interest rules, particularly around 0:18:29.080 --> 0:18:33.080 the dealers and their intermediaries. They also started to really 0:18:33.119 --> 0:18:37.760 emphasize that they don't authenticate ownership and they're relying on 0:18:37.920 --> 0:18:42.160 honest disclosure from participants, and so that trust had been violated, 0:18:42.200 --> 0:18:45.600 but they want to remain trusting of the people participating. 0:18:45.720 --> 0:18:47.920 And I don't know how you would have everybody when 0:18:47.920 --> 0:18:49.879 you have him just showing up it basically an expo. 0:18:50.119 --> 0:18:53.960 Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So Pritchard, he did his time, but 0:18:54.000 --> 0:18:58.879 he didn't learn his lesson. He got pinched in Pennsylvania 0:18:59.000 --> 0:19:02.080 on theft charges and he did time in the state prison. 0:19:02.160 --> 0:19:04.240 That was in two thousand and eight. In two thousand 0:19:04.280 --> 0:19:06.720 and nine, he copped a guilty plead of more theft 0:19:06.880 --> 0:19:11.359 charges as well as deceptive business practices, and for that 0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:13.919 he got another four to eight in state prison. Okay, 0:19:14.240 --> 0:19:15.000 let's take a break. 0:19:15.000 --> 0:19:16.600 They're not giving him enough time for him to learn 0:19:16.680 --> 0:19:19.360 his lesson. He needs a longer time out. 0:19:21.119 --> 0:19:23.080 Let's take our own time out and we come back 0:19:23.240 --> 0:19:24.760 more antique antics. 0:19:25.080 --> 0:19:47.440 Yeah, Zara's Elizabeth. 0:19:46.840 --> 0:19:50.200 Five six eight? Are you going to do your dance routine? 0:19:50.359 --> 0:19:51.640 I already can't see it though. 0:19:51.680 --> 0:19:53.960 Share dancing over here so good. So I had you 0:19:54.000 --> 0:19:56.679 count down. I was like, I want you to come in. 0:19:56.800 --> 0:19:58.639 I just realized no one can see us. 0:19:58.880 --> 0:20:00.600 When I did the dip. Yours as to come in, 0:20:01.440 --> 0:20:02.679 just down on the ground. 0:20:03.320 --> 0:20:06.760 So we had that gruesome twosome of Russell Pritchard the 0:20:06.800 --> 0:20:10.400 Third and George Juneau. Now let's take a look, rather 0:20:11.000 --> 0:20:13.480 a double take at some identical twins. 0:20:13.880 --> 0:20:16.280 Oh my goodness, Yes. 0:20:16.000 --> 0:20:22.320 Lee and Leslie Keino, Lee and Leslie Blonde, twin antiquarians, authors, 0:20:22.520 --> 0:20:25.320 TV personalities, and almost fronsters. 0:20:25.400 --> 0:20:27.960 I was about to ask if they were both like sisters, 0:20:28.040 --> 0:20:30.879 and you said they're identical. And I've made this mistake before. 0:20:31.640 --> 0:20:34.080 If they're identical, then they're both going to be the same. 0:20:35.240 --> 0:20:37.240 They're not going to be fraternal. Where they just shared 0:20:37.280 --> 0:20:37.960 the uterus. 0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:41.919 You said something like that, Yeah, time, what happened. 0:20:41.920 --> 0:20:44.760 But I was like, you're like, how that works there? 0:20:45.000 --> 0:20:50.520 Yeah. So anyway, so Lee and Leslie's two dudes, and 0:20:50.760 --> 0:20:52.600 you would if you see a picture of them, you'll 0:20:52.640 --> 0:20:55.520 recognize them from if you've ever seen Anos road show, 0:20:55.520 --> 0:20:59.840 because they're about it. So they describe their collecting impulse 0:21:00.560 --> 0:21:05.800 as starting with like basic scavenging. Okay, so well, no, 0:21:05.840 --> 0:21:08.359 you'll find out so okay, they had the National Endowment 0:21:08.400 --> 0:21:11.560 for the Humanities did this whole profile about them because 0:21:11.560 --> 0:21:15.040 they got the National Humanities metal well at one point. 0:21:15.359 --> 0:21:17.639 So they talked about how they grew up in upstate 0:21:17.720 --> 0:21:20.840 New York and they rode this Suzuki trail bike around 0:21:20.880 --> 0:21:24.680 to explore ruined barns and houses. So they start out 0:21:24.720 --> 0:21:30.760 collecting utilitarian architectural iron work from the late eighteenth century 0:21:30.960 --> 0:21:34.840 early nineteenth century, like stuff like wrot iron door handles. 0:21:34.720 --> 0:21:37.560 Gotcha hinges and like fire pokers and things like that. 0:21:37.680 --> 0:21:40.679 Yeah, and so that early phase quickly became what they 0:21:40.720 --> 0:21:43.879 called training in the way that you know antiques people 0:21:43.920 --> 0:21:47.160 mean it. So they find an object, they chase down 0:21:47.160 --> 0:21:51.119 the maker, the date, the method. In that same National 0:21:51.280 --> 0:21:56.000 Endowment for the Humanities account, Leslie talks about how they 0:21:56.040 --> 0:21:58.879 would research what they found look all this stuff up, 0:21:58.960 --> 0:22:01.680 trying to understand exactly how things were made and get 0:22:01.720 --> 0:22:05.800 down to the mechanics of like a potter's leave. When 0:22:05.800 --> 0:22:09.199 they moved into stoneware collecting, so by the time they 0:22:09.240 --> 0:22:12.920 were in college, they were already operating like working dealers. 0:22:13.359 --> 0:22:17.800 They're real party animals. So there was this Hamilton College 0:22:17.840 --> 0:22:20.560 news feature that came out in two thousand that talks 0:22:20.600 --> 0:22:24.320 about them. The brothers. They sold most of their croc 0:22:24.400 --> 0:22:26.560 collection to help pay for college. 0:22:26.359 --> 0:22:30.159