1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:04,520 Speaker 1: You're listening to Seahawks stories taking you behind the scenes 2 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: with your favorite Seahawks setbacks. Behind Zorn, who's back to 3 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:10,720 Speaker 1: pass as time looks for the left sideline, throws. 4 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 2: A bomb down there. He's got a man in front. 5 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 3: He makes to draft a travel It's a thirty down 6 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 3: of the twenty. 7 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:16,920 Speaker 2: Don't ever get him. He scores touched. 8 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: Out Seahawks powered by Seahawks dot Com. 9 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 3: And Zorn laid it in perfectly a Rabel who goes 10 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 3: in to score on an eighty yard pass and run play. 11 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 1: Now, here's your host, the voice of the Seahawks, Steve 12 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 1: Raebol and Seahawks legend Jim Zorn. 13 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 2: I get Old Tingley every time I hear that, Raeves. 14 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 2: It is nice when you have one or two that 15 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 2: you remember. You obviously haven't had enough, as I mentioned that. 16 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 2: And on the line with us now is our good 17 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:49,160 Speaker 2: buddy who actually wasn't there that first year in seventy six, 18 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:51,959 Speaker 2: but he came on in seventy seven became your backup. 19 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 2: And for those who don't know, we put this out 20 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 2: there right now because I know we're going to talk 21 00:00:57,120 --> 00:01:00,040 Speaker 2: about it. The only player in the history of the 22 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 2: Seahawks franchise to wear the number twelve before it was retired, 23 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 2: representing the twelve fans. And that's my roommate, Sam Adkins. Sammy, 24 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 2: how you doing, Bud. 25 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:20,839 Speaker 3: I'm a little nervous. You are shown the phone. 26 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 2: All right, Well, it's good talking to you, Sam. Take care, 27 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 2: We'll talk to you next time. 28 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: How many years How many years did you and Sam 29 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: room together in training camp? 30 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 2: Well, it must have been the five right that I 31 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 2: was there with you, Sam, and I was there total 32 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:36,839 Speaker 2: of six, so it was five years. 33 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 3: And then on there you can tell that story, Steve. No, 34 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 3: I can't as to why we became roommates. 35 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 2: Well, yes, okay, that one I can tell. Well, there 36 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 2: were a couple of things, but the biggest one was, 37 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 2: you know, I roomed with Largent on the road my 38 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 2: rookie season, and he snored so loudly, truly, I couldn't sleep. 39 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 2: And so when it came time for that next year. 40 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 2: And besides that, you know, you guys had sort of 41 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 2: developed a little bit of a connection there. I don't 42 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 2: know it was exclusive. You could have come in well, 43 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 2: but no, it was. It was it was kind of 44 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 2: the two the two stars. And then there was Sam 45 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:16,920 Speaker 2: and me and and uh, so, yes, that was that 46 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 2: was Wasn't that one of the big reasons. 47 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 3: That was the reason. Yeah, you said, yeah, you stayed 48 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 3: in Miami and couldn't hear the seven forty sevens take 49 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 3: off from the airport, and so it was a large 50 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 3: and snoring. 51 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounded you know, you'd hear this, huh and 52 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 2: it sounded like a goose hitting the door. I mean, 53 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 2: you just made so much. That's exactly what it was. 54 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 2: And so so yes, and then Sam and I and 55 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 2: and you know, Steve was a little messy. You know, 56 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:44,919 Speaker 2: Sam and I were a little more fastidious. 57 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: I was going to ask, how were your how was 58 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: your room? Did you guys have rules in. 59 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 2: Your I don't know rooms. Did we have rules? 60 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 3: No, it was just a given, and so it was 61 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 3: we didn't know. We just kind of existed, you know, 62 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 3: we're not high maintenance, and so it was. We had 63 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:02,799 Speaker 3: lots of fun. 64 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 2: Though you conjured things up. I know that you guys 65 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 2: conjured well, mostly it was conjuring, like how do you 66 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 2: feel this morning? You're ready to play the game. Wow, 67 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:13,919 Speaker 2: I wish I hadn't had that third beer last night. 68 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 2: Those are the things that I had to conjure up, 69 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 2: I guess. But you know what was funny. We talked 70 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 2: about it on our first show, Sam, and I know 71 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 2: you remember this. So we'd all stay at that the 72 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 2: motel or hotel in Issaquah that we had as are 73 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 2: kind of our headquarters. I think it was I don't remember. 74 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 2: It was holiday inn. 75 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 3: I think it was in Bellevue right there, but even. 76 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 2: Before that our first year. Maybe Sam was there at 77 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 2: the time. 78 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 3: Oh, I wasn't there because I only stayed at the 79 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 3: Bellevue one. 80 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:47,119 Speaker 2: It was the Isaqua play. But Jim and I talked 81 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 2: about it our first time Sam, and that was that 82 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 2: on Sunday morning driving we would leave the hotel and 83 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 2: so you and I would drive in together and then 84 00:03:57,360 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 2: Sam and Steve would drive. Jim and Steve would drive 85 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 2: into other And one of the funny things was for 86 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 2: those early years, we just park in the parking lot 87 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 2: and we'd walk in with the fans to the Kingdome 88 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 2: and that was really kind of cool. 89 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 3: Oh, it was great. And the really fun part that 90 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:17,160 Speaker 3: people don't know is that as we would be driving 91 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 3: to the stadium, see because I would ride with Steve 92 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 3: and then Steve would go into his play by play voice, 93 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:26,039 Speaker 3: and we'd go kind of go through the game plan 94 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 3: and he would visualize a play and he'd be going 95 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 3: in and was practicing his play by play or pass. 96 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 3: It's larger and on this area, I did, he said 97 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 3: the found Yes you did. I had to listen to it. 98 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:41,720 Speaker 2: Yes, so he did change voices. 99 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: Oh, guy asked him that last week. Sam, I'll never 100 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: forget I actually drove to Cheenie, Washington with you several times, 101 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 1: but I'll never forget the one time I drove with you. 102 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 2: You had a jeep. 103 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: And I'll bet right, I'll bet I don't know what 104 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:00,279 Speaker 1: kind of engine you had in your jeep, but I'll 105 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 1: bet we stopped four times for gas. I think you 106 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 1: know your tank was either a five gallon a five 107 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 1: gallon job or your engine was huge and massive gas intake. 108 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:16,919 Speaker 3: Well, I had won that jeep at a NFLPA golf 109 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:22,159 Speaker 3: tournament and so and so I said, I said, well, 110 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 3: I'd like to order it. So I ordered it with 111 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 3: a big V eight and everything, and so yeah. I mean, 112 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 3: at the time in the off season, I worked. I worked, 113 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,280 Speaker 3: I had a job in Federal Way, and then if 114 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 3: I made any sales calls. I had to fill up 115 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 3: every day, and if I made any sales calls that day, 116 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:43,159 Speaker 3: instead of just going to the office and back, I'd 117 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 3: have to stop and fill up again to get home. 118 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:48,799 Speaker 1: It was it was a long It was a long drive. 119 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 2: I guarantee you. I remember driving over it too, And 120 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 2: I had that little red sports car that Jenson Healy. 121 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:56,159 Speaker 2: I love that back and forth So that's the only 122 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 2: place I really put miles on it was driving back 123 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 2: and forth across the mountains. You mentioned something that was 124 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 2: really interesting that you had a job. Many of us 125 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 2: had jobs in the off season, because you know, it's 126 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 2: not like we made a ton of dough. I mean, 127 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 2: we made better than what a lot of kids coming 128 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 2: out of college would make at that time, well seventy six, 129 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 2: seventy seven, but many of us had had jobs in 130 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 2: the off season. 131 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:23,840 Speaker 3: Well. Our minimum in that the year I was drafted 132 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 3: was twenty thousand bucks. I could have made more money 133 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 3: in banking with my business degree than I did with 134 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:35,039 Speaker 3: my first year contract in the NFL. And you kind 135 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:37,919 Speaker 3: of sit there and say, okay, so how am I 136 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 3: going to make this stretch? Here? 137 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 2: There was a lot of helper helper as I remember 138 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 2: that we all used to eat at that time. Oh yeah, yeah, 139 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:50,359 Speaker 2: Tuna helper and hamburger helper and all those things. Because 140 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 2: now you walk in the building with the vMac as 141 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 2: you know, when they have three meals a day, they 142 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 2: have a fabulous set up here. But back in the 143 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 2: old days, you know, Key's brought donuts. 144 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 3: That was the only thing that we had donuts. 145 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 1: Exactly when I stuff champion, when I was in Green 146 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: Bay for one one season, we we actually had half 147 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: of our games in Milwaukee, right, So we would practice 148 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: and then we would get on a bus and we 149 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: would bus two hours to Milwaukee to play the game. 150 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 1: But we had we had to eat lunch. So our 151 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 1: choices were, uh, two file of fish sandwiches or two 152 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 1: big macs or we could go one one file. 153 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 2: A fish and one big mat. 154 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: That was our lunch. And you'd get on the bus, 155 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: they'd hand hand you your sandwiches. Here you go, And 156 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 1: that's what we ate. 157 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 2: That was. That was the NFL. It was it's a 158 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 2: far side different. 159 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 3: Do you remember when we played in Milwaukee and the 160 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 3: the fifteen dollars hot dog Ezra Johnson. 161 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I do remember that. The fine he. 162 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 3: Got a fan to go up in the stands again. 163 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 3: All of a sudden, bar Star was head coach time 164 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 3: turned rout, looks and sees him eating the hot dog 165 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 3: and find it fifteen bucks and that was a lot 166 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 3: of money at that time. 167 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 1: Absolutely, you know, during that game, and I think it's 168 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: that game. We have to fact check all this stuff. 169 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 2: I'm sure because we're old and we don't really remember. 170 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: But when when I got onto the field, they had 171 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: an NFL rule that when you walked up to the 172 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 1: line of scrimmage, you if the crowd was noisy, you 173 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: would put your hands up and turn around and look 174 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: at mister official and he would either point you back, 175 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: no it's not loud enough, make sure you get the playoff, 176 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:43,679 Speaker 1: or he'll stop the play. Well, they stopped the play 177 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 1: for me, and I went to Jack Ptera and Howard 178 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: mud and they said, do not under any circumstance snap 179 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: the ball. And so I go up there, and you know, 180 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 1: when you stop a play, the crowd just loves it. Sure, 181 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 1: and they weren't going to give them a penalty, so 182 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 1: I just kept turning to mister official. We stopped the game, 183 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: And think about this, We stopped the game for twenty minutes. Yeah, 184 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 1: and we sat there and what what Jack and Howard 185 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:17,200 Speaker 1: wanted to prove was you can't have that rule. That 186 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 1: rule is impossible for TV. So eventually mister official said, 187 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 1: would you please, would you please snap the ball? 188 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 3: You know I think that I think you playing to catch. 189 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 1: So finally I did. I just said, hey, guys, we're 190 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 1: in the huddle. I said, listen, I'm going to snap 191 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: the ball this time. We're going to get on with this. 192 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: And when I came to the sideline, I got ripped 193 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:45,719 Speaker 1: by both Jack and Howard. And Howard would never forget it, 194 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, he just always reminded me, remember, 195 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 1: you know you messed you messed things up in the 196 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 1: Green Bay games. 197 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 3: And uh. 198 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: But but they did away with that rule as quickly 199 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: as it came in. 200 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 2: Sure I remember it. Oh yeah, as the broadcast asked 201 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 2: her when the Raiders came to town and Mark Wilson 202 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 2: I think was the quarterback, and he stepped under center 203 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 2: and it just got loud and he turned around. And 204 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 2: eventually the officials threatened to penalize the home team basically 205 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 2: because of the fans. That only made the fans and 206 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 2: they went in nuts at the Kingdom, it got even louder. So, Yeah, 207 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 2: that was a stupid rule that the NFL tried to 208 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 2: tried to put in there. 209 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 1: And Howard Mud would say he was the kind of 210 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 1: the godfather, if you will, the grandfather of the silent 211 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 1: count He's the one that kind of created no no noise. 212 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: You either slapping, slapping your center or if you're in 213 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: the gun, maybe a guard is telling the center he's tappening, 214 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 1: somebody's letting him know that the quarterback's ready to get 215 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 1: the get the ball. 216 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 3: In fact, Sports illustrated it a real nice piece on 217 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 3: Howard Mud and the beginning of the silent snap County. 218 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 2: And we should let those who are listening know that 219 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:01,080 Speaker 2: Howard Mud was are offensive line coach, but he was 220 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 2: so much more than that. Uh he and in years 221 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 2: past and years later after the after we all stopped playing, obviously, 222 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 2: uh he became a great, dear friend to all of 223 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 2: us and a terrific coach. I mean, he very much 224 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:18,199 Speaker 2: sought after offensive line coach around the league. Unfortunately, he 225 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 2: passed away a couple of years ago, Sam Right, a 226 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 2: motorcycle accident. But he was just a gem and I 227 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 2: know he you guys you two especially were very very close. 228 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 1: He's talking because ye, because he didn't know what we 229 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 1: did together. 230 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:34,959 Speaker 2: But yeah, he's talking. 231 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 3: Well, we did because Howard, you know, had all the 232 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 3: success with Peyton Manning and things of that nature. And 233 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 3: as you said, he was highly coveted because of his 234 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 3: knowledge and his approach to the game. Instead of the 235 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:58,959 Speaker 3: drop back, you know, the kickstep for the tackles, he 236 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 3: treated everything as play action and we would talk philosophy 237 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 3: and things of that nature. And so, I mean, he 238 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 3: didn't know what he wanted to do. You know how, 239 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 3: It's not just players that kind of flounder when you 240 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 3: don't have any direction after you've done something for forty 241 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 3: six years and then all of a sudden, now what 242 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 3: am I going to do? I don't have a clue. 243 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 3: And so I talked him into you know, at the time, 244 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:28,319 Speaker 3: I was coaching youth football and they'd have coaching clinics 245 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 3: and things of that nature. I said, why don't you 246 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 3: do a coaching clinic? So I put a helped him 247 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 3: put a PowerPoint presentation together with video and everything, and 248 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 3: it was called the Mud Method. And so then he 249 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 3: started speaking and that kind of gave him a sense 250 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 3: of direction, and then he was helping out high schools. 251 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 3: He'd help any line coach out that he could because 252 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:52,559 Speaker 3: of the fact that he was so passionate about his 253 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 3: technique of instead of passive aggressive passive as they as 254 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 3: through past blocking, his was aggressive, go get him and 255 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 3: set and then get him again, so that that buys 256 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 3: your quarterback more time as well. 257 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 1: So yeah, visualize raves if you will. Most most o 258 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 1: line coaches described the pocket as a cup. Right, the 259 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 1: tackles dropped, they kick step at least two. 260 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 2: Maybe three times before they engage. 261 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 1: Well, his his theory in pass protection was to build 262 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: a dish. So he wanted to build the tackles a 263 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: little flatter and be a little tougher inside so that 264 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 1: the QB felt like he had room. And I got that. 265 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 1: I mean he he coached for me in a couple 266 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 1: of All Star Games. Sam, you were part of that too, 267 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 1: some college and Star games in Tampa. 268 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:46,079 Speaker 3: Yeah. 269 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 1: Anyway, so he built the dish. So Sam's exactly right, 270 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 1: it was. And I spent hours with him discussing all 271 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 1: this stuff, writing all the notes down. I got all 272 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 1: the notes, and he would say pass protection aggressive, aggressive, 273 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 1: pass passive, and then in run the run game, he'd 274 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 1: say passive, passive, aggressive, aggressive because he was a big 275 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 1: zone blocker, and uh he so he would take steps 276 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: because it was area blocking more than man blocking in 277 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: the zone game. And uh you know, it was all 278 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: about double teaming and getting up towards towards a new 279 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. But before you would be knock somebody down, 280 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: you would be passive to see where they were going, 281 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 1: and you'd try to stay on that line. 282 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 3: Could take him where they want to go? 283 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I've heard that before. Yeah that could could he? 284 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 2: Could he turn uh any tackle into his kind of tackle? 285 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 2: In other words? Was it more about technique and teaching 286 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 2: and coaching as opposed to just flat out physical ability? 287 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, nobody's going to doubt Walter Jones 288 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 2: had was one of the most physically gifted offensive tackles 289 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 2: to ever play the game. Here, could could Howard have met? 290 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 3: That's what Howard said too. 291 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly could Howard? 292 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 3: Though? 293 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 2: Could he teach even a middling sort of tackle to 294 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 2: be successful in his style? Well, yes, you go ahead. 295 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 3: I was just going to say he could. He could 296 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 3: make an average tackle better, but he couldn't make an 297 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 3: average tackle great, so he could be a serviceable player, 298 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 3: not a liability to the offensive line as you saw 299 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 3: evidenced in the New York Giants game recently. 300 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 1: And you had to be a part of You had 301 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 1: to be there every day with him because he would 302 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: be relentless. He would not let let it go that 303 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:43,239 Speaker 1: you were trying your own technique. He was teaching you. 304 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: No I said a six inch step. No, I said 305 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 1: a six inch step. And it had to be it 306 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:50,119 Speaker 1: had to be right. And so he was a technician, 307 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: you know, in all of his coaching that he did. 308 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 1: And he remember he wasn't just coaching tackles, although that 309 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 1: is super important. He was coaching guards and centers, and 310 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 1: you know, he just he made it evident that it 311 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 1: was going to be his way. 312 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 3: And it's so funny you say that, see because of 313 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 3: the fact that nowadays the staff is they have one 314 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 3: coach per player. So I coached the right guards, and 315 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 3: you coach the left guards, and then Billy Bob coaches 316 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 3: the right tackle and so hey, Sam, I mean you 317 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 3: look at you look at our team pictures, and it's 318 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 3: so awesome because there were seven coaches that we had. Yeah, 319 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 3: and and so you go Okay, get three on offense, 320 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 3: three on defense, and then you have the head coach, 321 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 3: and now you have a row of players and a 322 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 3: roll of white shirts, and then a row of players 323 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 3: and other roll of white shirts, and then a role players, 324 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 3: And so you're going, who are all these people? 325 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 2: Much more specialized? 326 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 1: I was talking to somebody earlier in the office, and 327 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: see he had mentioned that there were originally about eight 328 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 1: two people inside the building, you know, with all the 329 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 1: different responsibilities. And I think he said, the Seahawks today 330 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: have over four hundred in the buildings doing different different 331 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: aspects of the game and marketing and things of that nature. So, Uh, 332 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:22,639 Speaker 1: the NFL has grown, and the Seahawks are one of 333 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:25,200 Speaker 1: the best best products that. 334 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 2: Are in the in certainly one of the certainly one 335 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 2: of the best run, if not the best run organization. Sam, 336 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 2: you and I I've made jokes at banquets for the 337 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 2: last forty years that you and I were on the 338 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 2: sideline so much we were made honorary seagals. Uh, what 339 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 2: was what it was? Your experience? Like what you know, 340 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 2: you didn't get in as much as you would like 341 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:49,160 Speaker 2: to have played. You had a great college career. None 342 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 2: of us well maybe, with the exception of Jim and 343 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 2: Steve played as much as they wanted to play. But 344 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 2: what do you remember about those days? How much how 345 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 2: much fun was it? How much work was it? Uh? 346 00:17:57,840 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 2: What do you what do you remember? 347 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 3: Well, it's the fun is indescribable because of the camaraderie 348 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 3: and the friendships, and I think because of the Jack 349 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 3: Paterra era. Every time you have functions, the majority of 350 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:16,160 Speaker 3: the people that show for the alumni functions are from 351 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 3: the Jack Buttera era. You're now starting to get a 352 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:23,120 Speaker 3: few more people that are younger and younger, but it's 353 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 3: always dominated by the guys that bonded over in Genie Washington. 354 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:30,439 Speaker 3: But as far as the work goes, it was a 355 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 3: lot of work because number one, Jerry was a great 356 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 3: teacher and you look at the people that have had 357 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 3: success that were under him because he taught you why 358 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 3: you did what you did. He just didn't tell you 359 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 3: what to do. He told you why you were doing 360 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 3: what you did, so you had a greater depth of 361 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 3: understanding and that helped you know in so many things 362 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 3: in life and in coaching and everything else that I did. 363 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:01,239 Speaker 3: I always taught that way so that people knew it 364 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 3: wasn't just because I said so, it was here's why 365 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 3: we're doing that. What do you think is that is? 366 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 3: Do you have a better way? No, that's terrible, do 367 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 3: it my way. So but they would sit there and 368 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 3: with Jerry it was a lot of work, and we 369 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 3: would have our tests and stuff, and Jim and I 370 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 3: would be in the very high nineties and Mudbone, Dave 371 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:25,479 Speaker 3: Craig would would I'd be in tears. Look, my paper 372 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 3: was bleeding in the fifties. 373 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 2: By the way, Jerry Rome was our offensive coordinator in 374 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:35,680 Speaker 2: our later years, but our quarterbacks receivers coach. So that's 375 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 2: that's what we're talking about. 376 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 3: Jerry. Yep. 377 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 1: Sam Steve mentioned that you were the only number twelve 378 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:46,400 Speaker 1: in the history of the Seahawks. You want to tell 379 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 1: the story about. 380 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 3: I would love to tell this story because we're playing 381 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 3: in San Diego and there was a poll that came out, 382 00:19:56,560 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 3: who is the most popular player in the NFL? Who 383 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:04,920 Speaker 3: do people like to watch come to the stadium to watch? 384 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 3: What's your favorite opponent? And mister Zorn won that contest. 385 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 3: So good old number ten. Well, in those days, we 386 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:17,440 Speaker 3: didn't have that. We had we had twenty. We didn't 387 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 3: have twenty jerseys in the storage tank or the trunk, 388 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 3: so we only had two jerseys. Well, with Jim being 389 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 3: so popular, someone had stolen his backup jersey. We're playing 390 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:33,440 Speaker 3: the San Diego Charters and Jim Jersey gets ripped to shreds. 391 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 3: So the official goes, hey, Jim, you got to get 392 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 3: a new jersey. So he comes to sideline and Tim 393 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 3: Ryan was the equipment guy. He runs over the trunk 394 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 3: and there's no backup number ten. So they turned, they 395 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 3: look and they go, Sam, give him your jersey. So 396 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 3: I give him my jersey. 397 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:58,919 Speaker 1: Second half, they took his name jersey. 398 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 3: Then they he plays the second half at number twelve. 399 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 3: The next week, we're playing the Houston Oilers. We're blowing 400 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:09,640 Speaker 3: them out, so I get in the game and I'm 401 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:11,879 Speaker 3: throwing the ball. In fact, I think I threw a 402 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:15,439 Speaker 3: TD to Largent. And then the next week is the 403 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 3: first Monday night game in Seahawk history, and you and 404 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 3: I were talking on the field and Glandville comes over 405 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 3: and he says, hey, Ankins, are my coach me or not? 406 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 3: They said they got you on film throwing left hand, 407 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 3: and they got you on film throwing right handed, And 408 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 3: I said, yeah, I said, it depends on who your 409 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 3: best pass rusher is. I want to see the summer's coming. 410 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:43,359 Speaker 3: He goes, no, heit Me, turns and walks away. 411 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 2: You're taking his head. 412 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:48,679 Speaker 3: So Jim wore twelve for a half, so I. 413 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:52,359 Speaker 2: Did, okay, But officially, oh yeah, you were the only one. 414 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 2: He is number twelve. Yes, that's right. 415 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 3: I was the only one issued number twelve. 416 00:21:56,080 --> 00:22:00,639 Speaker 2: That's Jerry Lamble, by the way. Footnote, coach of the 417 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 2: Falcons coached at Houston, was the guy who recruited me 418 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:07,920 Speaker 2: to go to Georgia Tech. He was a linebacker coach 419 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 2: at Georgia Tech at the time. And so I was 420 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 2: a high school senior in Louisville, Kentucky, at Trinity High School, 421 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:15,440 Speaker 2: and he would come into town and he was recruiting 422 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 2: like five of us guys. All of us played at 423 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 2: the all boys Catholic high schools because that was the 424 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 2: best football in the city. And and he got four 425 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,920 Speaker 2: of us out of that class to go to Georgia Tech. 426 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 2: And he used to take us to the best steakhouse 427 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,359 Speaker 2: in the city when he'd come to town and came on, boys, 428 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 2: let's go get some groceries and we go, we go 429 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,879 Speaker 2: eat a state about the size of the table that 430 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:41,399 Speaker 2: Jim and I are sitting at right now, And it 431 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 2: was you know, it was just really cool. And then 432 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,159 Speaker 2: you know, as soon as they signed you, as we 433 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 2: all know, when you sign a letter for intent, then 434 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 2: it's you know, what have you done for me lately? 435 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:52,159 Speaker 3: Maybe you look cricket. 436 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:55,880 Speaker 2: That's exactly right. They did their job. Now you got 437 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 2: to go out and do years. Oh maybe you look skinny. 438 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 2: What did you did you do nothing during the off season? Oh, 439 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,679 Speaker 2: you look off? So that was that was he treated 440 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:04,440 Speaker 2: you after the fact. 441 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 1: Hey, Sam, did you play after the Seahawk stint? Did 442 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:10,400 Speaker 1: you go somewhere else? 443 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 3: No? Actually I went to the USFL and then said 444 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 3: I'm not doing this and then came home because Dale 445 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:24,680 Speaker 3: was pregnant with our second child, Whitney, and I said, yeah, 446 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,479 Speaker 3: I don't want her to be in Detroit, Michigan. So 447 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 3: that's where I But I didn't. I didn't go anywhere 448 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 3: else in the NFL. 449 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 2: Didn't Jerry at one time? Jerry Rome once again, because 450 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:37,639 Speaker 2: he was either in line to get a head coaching 451 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:39,639 Speaker 2: job someplace. Didn't he talk to you Sam at one 452 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 2: time about coming. 453 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 3: To Yeah, he wanted me to be his offensive coordinator. Yeah, 454 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 3: and I said, well I could. Yeah, I think about it. 455 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,639 Speaker 3: You know, if you get the job, I'll do because 456 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 3: Tulsa was going to get a USFL franchise, and so 457 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 3: I said, yeah, I said, and then I come there 458 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 3: and then I come home. You off, No, No, you 459 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 3: don't understand. When you're coaching your full time, there is 460 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 3: no off season, so you'd have to move your family 461 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 3: and stuff there. And I remember Andy McDonald saying, son, 462 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 3: don't get into coaching. And if you do, and you 463 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,399 Speaker 3: buy a wall to wall carpeting, don't tack it down 464 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 3: because you need to roll it up and take it 465 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 3: with you. 466 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 2: Remember those words. And yeah, So you decided that after 467 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 2: the playing days that it was time to find a 468 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 2: real job, and you ended up being sam as successful 469 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,639 Speaker 2: as anybody I can think of from our era. And 470 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:32,920 Speaker 2: we've had a lot of guys, we've all done pretty well, 471 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,880 Speaker 2: I think. But you started your own construction company, and 472 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 2: holy smokes, you've you've just done great, great guns over 473 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:40,200 Speaker 2: the years. 474 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 3: Well yeah, but I did a different job every off season. 475 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,479 Speaker 3: Like you said, we had to work, and so I 476 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 3: worked in a restaurant trying to learn that and then 477 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,400 Speaker 3: I sold cars for two weeks and absolutely hated that. 478 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 3: I mean, you sit there with a lot of people 479 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 3: all day, Yeah, and you just sit there and you 480 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 3: just try to fleece people. And I said, yeah, this 481 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:05,360 Speaker 3: isn't for me. I can't do this. And so and 482 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,199 Speaker 3: then I did travel agencies, and I had I had 483 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,200 Speaker 3: owned a couple of travel agencies while we were playing. 484 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 3: And then I did insurance, and then did got recruited 485 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:22,160 Speaker 3: for commercial finance. So then I was financing McDonald's restaurants, 486 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:26,400 Speaker 3: covering half the US. But I was gone every other 487 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 3: week for a week at a time, and with four 488 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 3: kids at home, it just got to be a bit much. 489 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 3: And so that's when I said, Okay, I'm gonna start construction. 490 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:39,880 Speaker 3: McDonald's was looking for a contractor, and so I said, yeah, 491 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 3: I'll do that. And so that's how how I got 492 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 3: into the construction. But I was third generation. My grandpa 493 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,639 Speaker 3: was contractor in Virginia and my dad was contractor in 494 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 3: LA and I was trying to avoid it, but I didn't. 495 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 3: And now my son Ryan is a contractor, so he's 496 00:25:57,800 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 3: fourth generation. 497 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 2: But you're still quite retired. 498 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,640 Speaker 3: Oh no, I'm fully retired. Yeah, Ryan, fired. 499 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:09,680 Speaker 2: Me that just as the business and and Jim, when 500 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:13,359 Speaker 2: you stopped playing, you pretty much got right into coaching 501 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 2: after that, do you want right into college? 502 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,200 Speaker 1: I tried to figure out what I wanted to do next, 503 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 1: and so I took a year and did some searching 504 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,399 Speaker 1: on you know, what would I what was I going 505 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:24,959 Speaker 1: to be good at? And one of the issues I 506 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 1: always wanted to coach, and uh, I got you know, 507 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 1: I came in and I think I told you about 508 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 1: going into uh Chuck Knox and him saying, no, you 509 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 1: can't be on our staff. Get to the highest level. 510 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 1: And then I had the opportunity to go to Boise 511 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:46,400 Speaker 1: State my very first coaching stint, if you will. 512 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:47,400 Speaker 2: I was there for three years. 513 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,199 Speaker 1: That was a skip, and uh, then I went to 514 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:56,439 Speaker 1: Utah State University with Charlie Weatherby and then and then 515 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,719 Speaker 1: I went to the Whack Attack Jim Whacker in Minnesota, 516 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 1: and then I started. I came here with Dennis Ericson 517 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,400 Speaker 1: and Howard Mudd for one season, then went to Detroit 518 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,399 Speaker 1: and then then came back here like Mike for seven 519 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 1: years and beyond. 520 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:15,680 Speaker 2: So Sam some of those recollections of those years, especially 521 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 2: in seventy eight seventy nine when we you know, really 522 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 2: started to knock at the door, and we have kind 523 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 2: of had a zoom now that us old guys have 524 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 2: figured out how to get zoom on our computers. Nick 525 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 2: be about one of our great offensive linemen from back 526 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 2: in the day, and others have put together these zoom 527 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,159 Speaker 2: calls where we have ten or fifteen of us on 528 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 2: there talking about things. Those were some great personalities. But 529 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,120 Speaker 2: aside from that, we played some pretty decent football during 530 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:46,200 Speaker 2: those years. 531 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 3: Well we were we had the back to back nine 532 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 3: and seven seasons and Jack Petera was a NFL Coach 533 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:59,399 Speaker 3: of the Year, and you know, it was it was 534 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:05,239 Speaker 3: really fun talking to Jack after you know, we were 535 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,159 Speaker 3: all old and feeble and he had been out of 536 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 3: the league and go to his house for those picnics 537 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,440 Speaker 3: and to hear the stories and then to hear the 538 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 3: real truth about what went on back in the day 539 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 3: and those sort of things. But yeah, it was But 540 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 3: at that point, you know, it was interesting because I 541 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 3: never forget one thing that he said that he had 542 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:28,719 Speaker 3: mentioned that the piece of advice that Bud Grant gave him. 543 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:32,120 Speaker 3: Because Jack came to Seattle as the head coach from 544 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:37,119 Speaker 3: the Minnesota Vikings, and Jack is probably the greatest defensive 545 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 3: line coach in the history of the NFL, coaching the 546 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 3: Purple People, Eider and the Fearsome Forsome. But Bud's coaching 547 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 3: point to him was don't win too soon because you 548 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 3: can't look back. And so Jack was trying to slow 549 00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:01,479 Speaker 3: walk it. But we we didn't get the memo so well. 550 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 1: They developed Jerry and Jerry Howard really they all developed 551 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 1: the sprint draw series, right, and that's that really became 552 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 1: innovative for us because I could throw on the run 553 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 1: left and right, and we had play action off of it. 554 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 1: We had Sherman Smith in the backfield and it. You know, 555 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 1: David Simms was a big part of that as well, 556 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 1: and his career was short short doing an injury. But 557 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 1: we were starting to really motor, we really were. 558 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 2: And and Jack was a you know, even though he 559 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 2: was a defensive coach, and I think his thinking certainly 560 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 2: was when they were building this team. You know, our 561 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,240 Speaker 2: first ever draft choice was Steve Kneehouse, defensive tackle, two 562 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 2: time All American out of Notre Dame, and it didn't 563 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 2: quite work out for him because of injuries. I mean, 564 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 2: he literally couldn't. To this day, he can't lift his 565 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 2: arm over his head because of the shoulder injury that 566 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 2: he sustained. 567 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,720 Speaker 3: And it was never That's why his hair always looks 568 00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 3: like it did. 569 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 2: That's exactly, that's exactly. Yeah, God bless him too. I 570 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 2: saw I haven't seen House for a while. In fact, 571 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 2: he's in Cincinnati. Maybe we'll maybe we'll give him a 572 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 2: call and see if you see what he's doing. But 573 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 2: he a few years ago. I saw him. He look 574 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 2: like nine miles of bad road then, so I can 575 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 2: imagine that. But he looks like now. But a wonderful 576 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 2: kid and a great guy. But you know, we started 577 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 2: to build that defense, so you build it around guys 578 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 2: like House, and I don't remember we had Sammy Green 579 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 2: as one of our outside backers, and then they get 580 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 2: Terry Beeson put him in the middle, and then some 581 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 2: of the other guys that John Harris is in the secondary, 582 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 2: and then when Kenny easily came on board. I just 583 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 2: remember us. Remember we used to get to camp as 584 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 2: the veterans. We'd come in a few days after the rookies, right, 585 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 2: so we'd all drive over and once you've been around 586 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 2: for a little while, you've been through a couple of camps. 587 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:47,959 Speaker 2: Now you're kind of you got your chest puffed out 588 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 2: a little bit. You feel like I'm a veteran. And 589 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 2: so we're watching all the young guys out there, the 590 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 2: free agents and the rookies out on the practice field 591 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 2: in Cheeney, and I'll never forget we're standing there. I 592 00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 2: think McCullum and I are standing there, maybe a couple others. 593 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 2: We're watching them, and they're they're doing like seven on 594 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 2: seven or something, and quarterback drops back. You did you 595 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 2: go in early? Jim by the way we always so, 596 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 2: I was just gonna say we had to go in. Yeah, 597 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 2: Happily for me, I didn't have to. But here here 598 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 2: is some whoever was one of the quarterbacks. One of 599 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 2: you guys throws a deep ball and or play fake 600 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 2: and easily starts to bite on the play fake, and 601 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 2: I thought, oh, you know, here's this high round, number 602 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 2: one draft choice and we're just gonna burn his butt 603 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 2: right here. And as soon as he planted his foot, 604 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 2: he turned and ran and made the interception deep down 605 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 2: the middle, and I thought, oh my god, this guy's 606 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 2: for real. And he really was until his body gave 607 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 2: out on him too, But what a what an amazing 608 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 2: player he was. 609 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 1: He was an amazing player, and he was immediate. He 610 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 1: has his vision was great and he anticipated what what 611 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 1: was happening. He could see what was happening. Uh, I think, uh, 612 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 1: you know, there's a few players on that defense intoday's game, 613 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,440 Speaker 1: on our team that can Wagner does the same thing, 614 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,160 Speaker 1: and he can see it and he immediately works up 615 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 1: the up the field or back and he pauses when 616 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 1: he needs to because he doesn't buy it. Yeah, you know, 617 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:12,719 Speaker 1: you have to be a good you have to be 618 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 1: good on that. On the other side, to fool those kinds. 619 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 3: Of players, you have to sell it hard, you know. Yeah, 620 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 3: And you know, circling back to Howard Mudd and his 621 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 3: technique was it was also very difficult for linebackers because 622 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 3: everything looked like play action or everything looked like run 623 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:34,480 Speaker 3: is what he was trying to sell all the time, 624 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 3: so that they, you know, it kept the linebackers just 625 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 3: that one step, because that's all you need in the 626 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 3: NFL is one step. 627 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 2: Sam, we got about a minute or so left. Your 628 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 2: your your fondest memory and it doesn't have to be 629 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,480 Speaker 2: playing either, but your fondest memory of being a part 630 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 2: of the Seahawks all the and all these years because 631 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,720 Speaker 2: you have been You've been around ever since day. 632 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 3: One, forty years. Yeah, yeah, I've been. I was associated 633 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 3: with him for forty years, and the hoest was just 634 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 3: the I mean, you can't pick out one. It's just 635 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:07,720 Speaker 3: the association because of the class of the organization, you know, 636 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,720 Speaker 3: because you can say with pride, you know that I 637 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,200 Speaker 3: was part of the Seahawks, which is as you started 638 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 3: out earlier saying, one of the best franchises in the NFL. 639 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,959 Speaker 3: And you know, Chuck Arnold has continued that tradition and 640 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 3: keeping everything very held in very high regard. So it's 641 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 3: just you know, and the friendships that we've developed and 642 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 3: to be able to stay in contact. Next week, I'm 643 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 3: going to see Peter Cronin and Tommy Lynch in New Hampshire, 644 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,480 Speaker 3: So it's going to be lots and lots of fun, 645 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,200 Speaker 3: lots of good stories. Mule. 646 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,920 Speaker 1: I think I think Steve asked you that question because 647 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 1: he was fishing for your best memory being roommate with you, Steve, 648 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 1: you know, and just doing all well. 649 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:53,800 Speaker 3: I could tell you a few stories, you know, like 650 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,360 Speaker 3: the time that we had thanks everybody. 651 00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 2: I'm really glad that you all listened in here today. Sorry, 652 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 2: and we're seem to have some disconnect here on the again. 653 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 2: Yes are hey, thanks for being here a mule all. 654 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,920 Speaker 3: Right, thanks guys for having me rooms. 655 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,359 Speaker 2: Thanks and uh, you know if they if we get 656 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,080 Speaker 2: a second life in doing this, we'll circle back and 657 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:19,080 Speaker 2: tell some more stories. 658 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,399 Speaker 3: All right, that's great, Love you guys, I. 659 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 2: Love you, bud ze Man. We've done it yet again. 660 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 2: We've fooled people for another half hour, forty minutes. It 661 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:32,160 Speaker 2: was hilarious, well it was. It filled the time. So 662 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,480 Speaker 2: thanks to all of you folks out there for listening in. 663 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,840 Speaker 2: We appreciate it. If, if, and when you hear these, 664 00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,239 Speaker 2: send a little note along and say, hey, here's a 665 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,719 Speaker 2: question I got for Jim or for Steve or whoever else. 666 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,279 Speaker 2: We we're going to have coach homegren on in the 667 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,799 Speaker 2: very near future. Matthew is going to join us one 668 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:50,279 Speaker 2: of these days, and then we're gonna go back and 669 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,880 Speaker 2: get some of those offensive linemen we talked about. So 670 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,080 Speaker 2: great to have all of you with us on Seahawks stories. 671 00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:57,080 Speaker 2: We'll talk to you next time.