1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, beauty queen cheerleader Lake and 2 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: Snelling's chilling words as a baby in a trash bag 3 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:17,759 Speaker 1: found dead in her closet. As we Go to Air, 4 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: a grand jury date is set in the case of 5 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 1: the former beauty queen accused of hiding a dead baby 6 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: her dead baby in the closet before going out for 7 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 1: fast food. I'm Nancy Grace, this is crime Stories. I 8 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: want to thank you for being with us. That's right. 9 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:40,160 Speaker 1: A grand jury date has been set in the case 10 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:44,559 Speaker 1: of a former beauty queen, now charged with hiding a 11 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: dead baby boy, her dead baby boy in her own 12 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: closet before going out for fast food. Also, as we 13 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 1: Go to Air, medical records have been subpoened in the 14 00:00:56,440 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 1: Lake and Snelling case, prosecutors requesting medical records that could 15 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 1: be related to the case of the University of Kentucky 16 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 1: Medical Center. According to new court records, a slipena was 17 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 1: delivered to the UK Medical Center requesting all records on 18 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: Snelling created since August twenty twenty four to January twenty 19 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 1: twenty six. Hmmm, prosecutors will look at those records and 20 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: find out every single person Lincoln Snelling spoke to, what 21 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 1: she said, what tests she received, everything that happened on 22 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: that visit. This as a grand jury looms in the 23 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: case of the beauty Queen. 24 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:44,320 Speaker 2: Lake and Snelling's case is on its way to a 25 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 2: grand jury. The anonymous panel is expected to hear evidence 26 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 2: in late January. Since Snelling waived her right to a 27 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 2: preliminary hearing during his September twenty sixth court appearance, the 28 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 2: grand jury will likely be asked to indight Snelling on 29 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 2: three recharges she initially pleaded not guilty to you. There's 30 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 2: the possibility also of account of murder or manslaughter, depending 31 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 2: on the newborn's autopsy results. 32 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 1: If another person, an adult was found dead wrapped in 33 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: a blanket, body in a trash bag hidden away, the 34 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: alleged purp would not be walking free right now with 35 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:32,079 Speaker 1: a bedazzled ankle monitor. But that is what has just happened. 36 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: But let's start at the beginning. Listen to this. 37 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 3: Good Riversity Joseph County. I am leading Shine University in 38 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 3: Kentucky and she's twenty years of age. Her materiam just 39 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 3: sounding the horse. 40 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 4: While also adelete one athlete on the stunt team at 41 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 4: a university of one hundred plus community service hours in 42 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 4: the past year, honors beating around the Jefferson County. There's 43 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 4: student there and BEUNI to represent her house. 44 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 1: That is from the Jefferson County Fairest of the Fair, 45 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: beauty paget that she won. But can we get to 46 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 1: right now? And what leads up to the discovery of 47 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: a dead infant baby boy in her closet? 48 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 2: Listen Lincoln Snelling is entering her senior year on the 49 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 2: cheer stunt team at the University of Kentucky. Snelling grew 50 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 2: up in the small town of White Pine, Tennessee, where 51 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 2: she was a Jefferson County High School for City cheerleader 52 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 2: and crowned Jefferson County's Fairest of the Fair. Snelling is 53 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 2: a self proclaimed real life Barbie with an all pink apartment, 54 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 2: Barbie jeep, and fabulous clothes and paget gowns to match. 55 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 2: Snelling has an entire Instagram profile dedicated to selling her 56 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 2: old wardrobe. Snelling reveals that she is dating another student 57 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 2: athlete with an impressive basketball career. Snelling brings her bow 58 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 2: home for Easter and over this summer post professional photos 59 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 2: with him. 60 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:22,840 Speaker 1: Why do I care about the boyfriend. I'm trying to 61 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 1: figure out who is the biological father of this dead infant. 62 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: And I'm completely intrigued curious about why so many dead 63 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: babies are first wrapped in a blanket, a baby blanket 64 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: very often, remember top mom Casey Anthony wrapped, according to 65 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: the state, baby Kelly in her favorite blanket before putting 66 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 1: her in a trash bag and throwing into a trashy, 67 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 1: litter ridden swamp area about ten houses down from the 68 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: Anthony home. Gee, I wonder who did that? And I 69 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:01,919 Speaker 1: see it over and over and over. The infant is 70 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 1: wrapped in a baby blanket and left to die or 71 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: killed and put in a trash bag. There's gotten to 72 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 1: be some sort of psychopathy to that. But you know, 73 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 1: I'm also very curious. Straight out to doctor Bethany Marshall, 74 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 1: joining US high profile psycho analyst, author of deal Breaker 75 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 1: on Amazon. You can see her now on peacock and 76 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:28,039 Speaker 1: find her a doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Doctor Bethany, 77 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 1: I'm also intrigued, what does it mean, if anything, that 78 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: you are a self proclaimed real life Barbie. I'm talking 79 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: about the Barbie. 80 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:45,239 Speaker 5: Doll, this woman's life, this young woman's life is wrapped 81 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 5: in fantasy, not reality. The fantasy of having a baby 82 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 5: seems a lot more compelling to her than the reality 83 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 5: of a baby. The fantasy of being Barbie is a 84 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 5: lot more compelling to her than the reality of who 85 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 5: she is as a mother and in the world. 86 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: Okay, doctor Bethany, you got me drinking from the fire 87 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: hids right here. You gave me so much I've got 88 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 1: to parse it. Number one, Can we stick with Barbie? 89 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 1: You said I was writing as fast as I could. 90 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:17,479 Speaker 1: The fantasy of being Barbie to her was being better, 91 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:21,479 Speaker 1: was better than being leg and Snellings. Okay, now, wait 92 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 1: a minute, what was it mean to be Barbie? It's 93 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 1: a plastic doll with fake breasts. Why do you want 94 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: to be that? 95 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 5: Because Barbie is beautiful, Barbie is desirable, Barbie is sexually 96 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:36,599 Speaker 5: attractive in the world, and the idea that she would 97 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 5: be that person, it's like she's wrapping herself in an image, 98 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 5: an external image, rather than really focusing on who she is. 99 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 5: Does she attend to trust? 100 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: But bah bah bah wait wait wait where can I 101 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:53,359 Speaker 1: see that video again of her in the Foe? I 102 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 1: guess that's no the foe that that that was. That's 103 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 1: the very similar to a Barbie outfit my sister had. 104 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:09,159 Speaker 1: That's right, Okay, I was trying to dissect the Barbie dolls, 105 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: and I dissected all well, dismembered all of my sister's 106 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 1: Barbie dolls. That was a dark day, that said, I 107 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: remember that outfit. Barbie had an outfit like that with 108 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: you know, faux leverage spots. Okay, just wanted to point 109 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: that out. Dr Bethy. I don't know what your Barbie 110 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 1: lore is, but I distinctly recall an outfit like that 111 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: with the matching stilettoes. And this is when I was 112 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 1: a little girl. The stilettos were in then as well, 113 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 1: at least for Barbie. Now, I'm sorry. Back to who 114 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: wants to be Barbie? 115 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 5: Who wants to be Barbie as somebody who's more living 116 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 5: in fantasy than reality. Hey, Nancy, that sound you just played. 117 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 5: The inside of her apartment was pink. She lived in 118 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 5: a Barbie place. This is a woman who lives in 119 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 5: a fantasy world, not a reality world. 120 00:07:58,720 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 1: Okay. 121 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 5: Barbie is just that it's adult. It's not a real person. 122 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 5: She does not live her life like a real person. 123 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 5: She's living She's like, it's like cosplay of being Barbie. 124 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 5: I'm wondering, would she go to a church, does she 125 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 5: have friends, is she kind to people? Does she like 126 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 5: children in real life? Or was the fantasy of being 127 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 5: pregnant and the fantasy of being a mom much more 128 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 5: compelling than the reality of changing diapers holding a baby. 129 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 5: Babies have needs, you know. 130 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: I don't want to clear one thing up, doctor Bethany Marshall. 131 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 1: You can be anything and have played with barbies as 132 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 1: a little girl. My sister had the barbies. She's a brainiac, 133 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: you know. I tried to read something she published. It 134 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: was just a bunch of formulas with you know, like elements, 135 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay, that was great. So I'm not 136 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 1: saying there's anything wrong with playing with barbies when you're 137 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: a child. I mean, it can be fun. But this 138 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: is a grown woman that says she's a real life Barbie. Okay, 139 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:03,439 Speaker 1: you know what, I've gone down the Barbie trail way 140 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 1: too long. That's not going to help anybody a trial. 141 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 1: I want to get to the facts and what we know. 142 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: Take a listen to this. 143 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 2: Ten thirty am Wednesday morning, Lexington PD responds to a 144 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 2: call about an unresponsive infant found in a student department 145 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 2: in one of the tenants closets inside a trash bag 146 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 2: wrapped in towels. The baby was deceased at the time 147 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 2: officers received the report. Snelling returns to her apartment to 148 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 2: find police swarming the unit. Snelling says she cleaned up 149 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:38,199 Speaker 2: after delivering the baby to conceal that she had given 150 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 2: birth and put all of the cleaning materials in the 151 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 2: trash bag with the baby. 152 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:46,199 Speaker 1: What I'm saying here to Josh Colsrude. He is a 153 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 1: high profile criminal defense attorney, former felony prosecutor, founder of 154 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: Colsrud Law Offices. Josh, Now, this is anecdotal. I don't 155 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 1: have a statistic on this, but I noticed it over 156 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 1: and over and over in the over a decade that 157 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: I prosecuted felonies when the victim is a baby, very 158 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: often you see that case pled down like, oh, you know, 159 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 1: they were tired of the baby screaming and they bashed 160 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 1: its head on the dresser, or they got tired of 161 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: taking care of the baby, where they forgot to feed 162 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 1: the baby and it died, And it's often pled down 163 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:24,839 Speaker 1: to volunteer involuntary manslaughter. Now I don't know if you're 164 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 1: going to admit to that on the air, but it's 165 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:32,199 Speaker 1: true when the victim is a baby, somehow it's treated 166 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 1: as less important in our justice system. 167 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 6: Well, you know, these cases are tough, Nancy. You know 168 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 6: there's a very similar case that happened in twenty seventeen 169 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 6: Skuyler Richard and high profile case in Ohio. It was 170 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:51,679 Speaker 6: a cheerleader and in that case she was charged with 171 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 6: murder with second degree murder and they went to trial 172 00:10:56,520 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 6: and the prosecution lost. They lost because neo nanticide, which 173 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 6: is the intentional killing of a baby within twenty four hours, 174 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:11,079 Speaker 6: is extremely difficult to prove because the scientific tests generally 175 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 6: cannot say with any certainty that murder was the result. 176 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 6: And so here we just don't have enough information yet. 177 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 6: The coroner has stated that, you know that it's inconclusive 178 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 6: right now, they are doing additional tests. But I looked 179 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 6: into this and the additional tests are all going to 180 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 6: have innocent explanations. 181 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 1: Number one, I think that the prosecution show you go 182 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: on and I'm thinking you were going to come back 183 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 1: circle back to the question, which you did not while 184 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: you stay that Brooks Skyler Richardson was found not guilty. 185 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 1: Isn't it true that she was convicted of abuse of 186 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 1: a corpse? She was not let go, She was actually 187 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 1: found guilty. Isn't that correct? Yes? It is okay, you know, 188 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:01,319 Speaker 1: I'm sorry I had to put your feet to the 189 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:03,719 Speaker 1: fire on that. But you were suggesting that she walked 190 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:06,839 Speaker 1: away scott free. What you did say that I find 191 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 1: pertinent is that the forensics couldn't prove murder because very often, 192 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: as you rightly pointed out, Josh Colsrude, it's very difficult 193 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 1: to get a coeod cost of death in a case 194 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 1: like this. But isn't Skylar Richardson the one that buried 195 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: the baby in the backyard after she tried to burn 196 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 1: the baby's body. 197 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 6: Yes, and she also admitted that the baby was alive. 198 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 6: She told the police that she heard gurgle and that 199 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 6: it was briefly alive. She said this to actually her parents, 200 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 6: who were in the interrogation room when they didn't believe 201 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 6: that the recording was still going on. 202 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: Josh, do you even remember the question I asked you? 203 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:52,079 Speaker 1: What you just said? May Skytle look even worse Skyle 204 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 1: Richardson because the baby was alive? She said it was 205 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 1: gurgling and alive when she gave birth. Now it's up 206 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 1: to a jury to determine how the baby was born 207 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 1: alive and ended up burned and buried in the backyard. 208 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:09,839 Speaker 1: That said, my question was to you, you know what, 209 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to Chris Byers, Chris Buyer's private investigator, 210 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 1: owner of Buyer's Investigative Services for my purposes. He is 211 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 1: the former police chief of John's Creek twenty five years 212 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 1: in LA law enforcement. Buyers, isn't it true that you 213 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:30,719 Speaker 1: guys work the case of the dead baby, but when 214 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 1: it gets to court, somehow, when the victim is a 215 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 1: baby an infant, it gets pled down to a voluntary 216 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: or voluntary You know, I don't get it in. 217 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 7: My experience with any of the cases that I've had 218 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 7: like that, they have been pled down. And yeah, I 219 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:49,319 Speaker 7: can't explain it from the law enforcement side, that's for sure. 220 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 1: Guys, how did the baby end up wrapped in a 221 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 1: blanket in her closet? Do you think it wrapped itself 222 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 1: up and went closet and died? Joining me? Now, Hermonia Rodriguez, 223 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 1: chief US reporter, Dailymail dot Com. Hermonia, do we know 224 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: if Snellings had roommates, because I'm trying to figure out 225 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: who would call nine one one. 226 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 8: Right, That's one of the questions that remains unanswered in 227 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 8: this case. Police have refused to say whether Snelling had 228 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 8: any roommates and who called the police that morning, so 229 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 8: that remains open ended. However, there's a lot of online 230 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 8: speculation that says it was a roommate that called the 231 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 8: police that morning. 232 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 1: Guys, you were seeing shots beauty queen cheerleader Laken Snellings. 233 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 1: We already know that systematically, cases involving victims that are 234 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 1: infants or children, but especially infants, are typically pled down 235 00:14:54,640 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 1: and treated as less important than adult victims. I don't 236 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 1: get it, you know, I'm just thinking about who called 237 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: nine to one one? How did she keep the baby 238 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: a secret? Isn't it true, Harmonia Rodriguez, that she was, 239 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 1: you know, a fantastic athlete. She was a stunt person 240 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: on the college cheerleading team, and you can see that 241 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 1: she's pregnant during her stunts. Let's take a look at 242 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: video of Lake and Snellings. There you go, that is 243 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 1: a baby right there, the baby, the baby is in there. 244 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 1: I'm not a medical doctor, but I can see that much. 245 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 1: She was still performing stunts as a cheerleader while pregnant. 246 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 1: What you know what, doctor Bethany Marshall, denial and it 247 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: ain't just a river in Egypt. Come on, what what 248 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:56,119 Speaker 1: is this? Bethany helped me out, Nancy. 249 00:15:56,520 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 5: Not only is she in denial, the whole team is denial. Denial. 250 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 5: I mean, who's gonna pull a stunt like that when 251 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 5: you have a baby in your tommy? Nancy. What this 252 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 5: tells me is she was already disconnecting from the baby 253 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 5: as she was pregnant. A mother who wants a baby, 254 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 5: or who has a wanted baby and her tommy is 255 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 5: not going to pull a stunt like that, because the 256 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 5: maternal instinct is to protect your child. Nancy, did you 257 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 5: hear what the reporter just said. When she put that 258 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 5: baby in the plastic bag, she threw the cleaning material 259 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 5: on top of it. She threw trash on her baby. 260 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 5: It's it's so disturbing. 261 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 9: A member of the University of Kentucky's stunt team, Laken Snelling, 262 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 9: is driven, admired, and hiding a. 263 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: Secret that will crack her dreams, and right now she 264 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 1: is accused of a major felony after her dead infant 265 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 1: baby boy is found wrapped in towels and a trash 266 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 1: back in her closet straight out to Harmonia Rodriguez joining 267 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:11,399 Speaker 1: us from Deally mail Harmonia. There are two lines of 268 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:13,880 Speaker 1: inquiry right now as to who called nine one one, 269 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:17,120 Speaker 1: And this is important. Okay, you may think who cares 270 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:18,880 Speaker 1: to call nine one one they found a dead baby 271 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 1: in the closet, But does the person that call nine 272 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:25,160 Speaker 1: one one have other facts and evidence that would be probative. 273 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:30,160 Speaker 1: So these are the two lines of inquiry. One report 274 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 1: is that roommates became suspicious after Lincoln Snelling came back 275 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 1: to school at the end of the summer. She didn't 276 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 1: look the same as she did when spring semester ended. 277 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 1: She looked pregnant. Then on that Wednesday morning, the pregnancy 278 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 1: bump was gone. So when she went to class that day, 279 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 1: they the roommates, decided to go into her room and 280 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: take a look. There are also reports that one of 281 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:05,920 Speaker 1: the roommates had a dog that was going berserk outside 282 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:10,439 Speaker 1: lake in Snelling's room and outside of her closet, and 283 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 1: because of that they looked in the closet. Both reports 284 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:17,639 Speaker 1: indicate one of the roommates called nine to one one. 285 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:22,160 Speaker 1: Do you know anything about either of those two reports, Harmonia, right, 286 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:23,919 Speaker 1: I have seen those reports. 287 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 8: One is from a local and the other one really 288 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:30,119 Speaker 8: comes from this Facebook page that is about the case. 289 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:31,880 Speaker 1: However, we have gone. 290 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 8: To police to ask about the circumstances of who called 291 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:37,879 Speaker 8: nine one one, and they still are not ready to 292 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 8: release that information. 293 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 1: Guys, you're seeing video Lake and Snellings and it's kind 294 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:48,400 Speaker 1: of amazing how someone that seemingly has the world at 295 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 1: their feet. You know, there's no question she's beautiful, she's vivacious, 296 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 1: she's healthy, she's smart, and now she's charged with a felony. 297 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 1: I think a lot will ride on the cause of death, 298 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:13,639 Speaker 1: but right now, that cood remains undetermined. Joining me right now, 299 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 1: renowned medical examiner, the chief Medical Examiner of Terrance County, 300 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 1: that's Fort Worth, Texas, esteemed lecturer at the Burnett School 301 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 1: of Medicine at TCU, and star of a hit new podcast, 302 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:33,400 Speaker 1: Mayhem in the Morgue, Doctor Kimball Crown's joining us. What 303 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:36,440 Speaker 1: does that tell me? They don't have a cood yet? 304 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:40,399 Speaker 1: Cause of death? Let me read between the lines that 305 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 1: tells me there was no visible cod like you can 306 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:47,639 Speaker 1: just look at the baby and say, oh, the baby 307 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:50,679 Speaker 1: was bludgeon dead, or the baby was shot, or the 308 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 1: baby was stabbed, or ligature strangulation or manual strangulation. Maybe 309 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 1: even you might need a microscopic exam to determine if 310 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 1: there were partickiar hemorrhage to the eyes. But that tells 311 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 1: me that the cod was none of those things. What's happening, 312 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 1: doctor Kendall Crowns. 313 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 10: So typically with the babies that are found in trash bags, 314 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 10: you first have to determine if they were born alive. 315 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 10: There's certain things that you can look for. One of 316 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:27,719 Speaker 10: them is gestational age. If they're under twenty two weeks, 317 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 10: they probably couldn't have survived being born. If they have 318 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 10: this thing called maceration, which is an overall kind of 319 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 10: reddish decoloration sloughing of the skin of the baby, you 320 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 10: know they died in utero. And then finally, do they 321 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:44,160 Speaker 10: have any major burst effects like they have no brain 322 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:47,159 Speaker 10: or something of that nature. Then you go from there 323 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 10: and you have to figure out if they If you 324 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 10: determine that they could have been born alive, then you 325 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:55,159 Speaker 10: have to determine if they actually took a breath, and 326 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 10: that can be a number of tests that are actually 327 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 10: not all that accurate. There's the float test us with 328 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 10: the lung, but that can be disrupted by decomposition. 329 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. As we go to air, 330 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 1: we learn a grand jury in fat County, Kentucky, we'll 331 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 1: hear evidence in the Lacan Snelling case. Snelling twenty two, 332 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 1: accused of giving birth in her off campus apartment bedroom, 333 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:34,639 Speaker 1: then putting the baby in a trash bag in her closet. 334 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,359 Speaker 1: She's been on house arrest in Tennessee ever since. She 335 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:42,360 Speaker 1: had her very first court appearance September two. She has 336 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 1: pled not guilty to abuse of a corpse. She has 337 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:49,360 Speaker 1: pled not guilty to concealing a birth and tampering with evidence. 338 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: What do we know at this juncture? 339 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:58,159 Speaker 2: A new subpoena filed last month in December ordering the 340 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 2: University of Kentucky Medical Center to provide Snelling's medical records 341 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 2: from August twenty twenty four to present. The hospital has 342 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 2: until January twentieth to comply. That is the facility which 343 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 2: treated Snelling hours after she allegedly gave birth to a baby, 344 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,639 Speaker 2: which she says fell into the floor of her bedroom. 345 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 2: That statement about the birth was allegedly made at the 346 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 2: school's medical facility. During one of Snelling's interviews with members 347 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:28,919 Speaker 2: of the Lexington Police Department. 348 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:32,400 Speaker 1: Back to the case, Doctor Kimball Crown's joining us, could 349 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:37,399 Speaker 1: you please dummy down, man? You said, oh, and let's say, 350 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 1: did a flotation test? What not? Everybody works in the morgue. 351 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 1: Not everybody knows what you're talking about. You just rattled 352 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 1: off about fifteen medical phrases. I'm surprised you didn't throw 353 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:53,680 Speaker 1: Latin at me. Could you just start over and speak 354 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:57,119 Speaker 1: regular people talk? Please, if not for the listener, for me, 355 00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 1: please start over if you don't mind. 356 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 10: So, the main thing, like I was talking about, is 357 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 10: they're going to be looking for any signs that the 358 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 10: child was living when it was born. So did it 359 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 10: take a breath? And if it took a breath, the 360 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 10: lungs will fill up with air and they could potentially 361 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 10: float if you put them in water, so you could say, oh, 362 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 10: that they breathe if they lungs float in water. The 363 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 10: problem with the. 364 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:23,439 Speaker 1: Floatation test, Doctor Kendall Crown's right there, right there, you 365 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 1: have to explain what that means, because that reminds me 366 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 1: of when we were first told the Idaho for students 367 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,639 Speaker 1: that were murdered by Brian Coberger died in their sleep. 368 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 1: So I was like they drifted off to a lullaby 369 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,119 Speaker 1: and they woke up in heaven. That's not what happened. 370 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 1: They fought for their lives. It was horrible. You're saying 371 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,880 Speaker 1: the lungs are tested. What I believe you mean is 372 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:49,439 Speaker 1: this infant is cut open, it's lungs are removed, and 373 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 1: they're put in water to see if they float. Is 374 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 1: that what that means? That's correct. You just rattled off 375 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,119 Speaker 1: the tip of your tongue like it's nothing. This is 376 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: a baby, Dr. Kendall that now has to be cut 377 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 1: open and its lungs removed from its little body. How 378 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 1: big are baby lungs? How big are they and indunked 379 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 1: in water? How big is an infants lungs? 380 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 10: Well, it depends on how old the baby is gestationally, 381 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 10: if they are newborn. If they are a newborn, their 382 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 10: lungs are about a couple inches. Maybe have you. 383 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:23,399 Speaker 1: Done a water test on a baby? 384 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 4: Yes? 385 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,399 Speaker 1: I mean what went through your mind when you're cutting 386 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,679 Speaker 1: out a baby's lungs that are this big? About the 387 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 1: size of a good cup, a kitchen measuring cup. I mean, 388 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:36,120 Speaker 1: do you look at it in your hands and think, 389 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 1: my stars, what happened. 390 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,680 Speaker 10: So when I'm doing an autopsy and a baby, it's 391 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,359 Speaker 10: no different than doing an autopsy and adults. I have 392 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:46,879 Speaker 10: to determine the cause and manner of death. It's just 393 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 10: it is what it is. I have to figure out 394 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 10: what happened to this child or happen to the adults. 395 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:53,959 Speaker 10: And that's the purpose of my employment. 396 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,920 Speaker 1: Okay, I understand that you have to remain detached while 397 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 1: you're performing all of this, But you know, when you 398 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 1: just rattle off and I'm not saying you're wrong, I 399 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,880 Speaker 1: know for a fact that you're right, But when you 400 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 1: say it so methodically, I mean, I gotta think this through. 401 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crowns. You're saying, one of the first things 402 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 1: you do to determine COEOD if it's not immediately visible 403 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 1: with the naked eye, is you do a float test 404 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 1: on the lungs. What that means is the baby is 405 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,440 Speaker 1: sliced open, its lungs, they're removed, and they're dunked in water. 406 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,440 Speaker 1: What what kind of water? What is that in a pan, 407 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: a sink? 408 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 10: What it's tap water? And it's basically a big cup. 409 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,359 Speaker 1: You know, we are talking on and on and on, 410 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:39,399 Speaker 1: doctor Kendall Crowns about Blake and Snellings. And she's a 411 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,360 Speaker 1: real life Barbie and she's a stunk person, and she's 412 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 1: a cheerleader, and she's gorgeous and she's miss Fairest of 413 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 1: the Fair. Nobody is talking about the baby boy that's 414 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 1: lying on a more table getting its chest sliced open, 415 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:59,159 Speaker 1: it's lungs removed and put in water. Why does it 416 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 1: have to be all about her? That's why White Cases 417 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 1: and Josh Colsrude would not answer earlier former federal prosecutor. 418 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 1: I mean, okay, back to you, doctor Kimmell Crowns. So 419 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 1: you do a lung test, and if the lungs float, 420 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 1: that means they had air in them. That means that 421 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,119 Speaker 1: baby was born alive. Is that where you're going with that? 422 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 1: That's correct. 423 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:29,120 Speaker 10: I mean, if they've taken a breath, the lungs will float. 424 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,919 Speaker 10: But it could also mean they were given CPR. It 425 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 10: could also mean there's decompositional gas formation. So one of 426 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,439 Speaker 10: the other things you'll do with the floatation test is 427 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,679 Speaker 10: take the liver. Take a section of the liver, and 428 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 10: place it in the water as well to see if 429 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 10: it will float to show that there is or is 430 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:47,119 Speaker 10: not decomposition. 431 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 1: Okay, wait a minute, Wait a minute, Wait a minute, 432 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,159 Speaker 1: I've never heard this before. A float test on the 433 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 1: baby's liver. So now the abdomen is cut out as well. Okay, 434 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 1: why would you do a float test on a liver. 435 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 1: Why would there be air in the life. 436 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,360 Speaker 10: There would be nowhere in the liver. So if the 437 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 10: liver doesn't float, you know that there is no decomposition. 438 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 10: But if it does float, then it puts into question 439 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 10: of whether the lungs are floating because of decomposition or 440 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 10: because there's air in them. So then you have to 441 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 10: go to microscopic analysis. 442 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 1: Okay, So you compare the float test of the liver 443 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 1: to the float test of the lungs, and if the 444 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 1: liver goes down and the lungs go up, that indicates 445 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,400 Speaker 1: the lungs are floating because the baby breathed, not because 446 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 1: of decompositional gases. Is that right, corect Yes, okay, so 447 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,679 Speaker 1: that's what's happening to the baby. What else will be 448 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 1: examined to determine the cod of this baby? Because this 449 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:47,720 Speaker 1: all hinges on the cod if the baby was dead 450 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:51,680 Speaker 1: when it was born, was still born, if then there's 451 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,680 Speaker 1: not going to be a murder prosecution. As Josh colesruly 452 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:59,440 Speaker 1: pointed out, a lot is riding on the cause of death. 453 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,879 Speaker 1: What else will be done? Doctor Kendle Crowns. 454 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,920 Speaker 10: So what also'll be done is microscopic analysis or looking 455 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 10: at sections of the tissue under a microscope, looking for 456 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,119 Speaker 10: any disease processes. Also, you'll be looking at the lungs 457 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 10: there as well, looking to see if the air sacs 458 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,160 Speaker 10: or the alveoli and the lungs have filled up with air. 459 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 10: The other thing you'll be looking at is the placenta, 460 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,640 Speaker 10: if it's available. Looking at the placenta looking for any 461 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 10: evidence of hemorrhage or loss of oxygen, or infarction or 462 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 10: infection of the membranes. You'll be looking at the umbilical 463 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,879 Speaker 10: core to see if it's normally formed, if it was 464 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 10: wrapped around the child's neck, or if it has inflammation 465 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 10: as well. And then you'll also be looking for any 466 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 10: evidence of trauma. Birth trauma where like the shoulder got 467 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 10: stuck and they had to pull the child very hard, 468 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 10: fracturing the shoulder or separating the neck. You'll also be 469 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 10: looking for inflicted trauma like crushing of the ribs, breaking 470 00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 10: of the extremities, or the long bones of the extra 471 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 10: remedies are crushing of the skull. 472 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 1: Her money in Rodriguez dailymail dot Com. Thinking about and 473 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,720 Speaker 1: analyzing what doctor kenmel Crows just said regarding was the 474 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 1: baby's shoulder broken or prolapsed when it when it was delivered, 475 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 1: other injuries to the baby during delivery. It's my understanding 476 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 1: that she had the pregnancy bump one day and the 477 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 1: next day, Wednesday, it was gone and she went to class, 478 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 1: so obviously she did not have any injuries. That's right. 479 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 8: And while we have not been able to confirm that 480 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 8: she told anyone about this pregnancy, as we saw, the 481 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 8: images show that she has a visible bump that she 482 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 8: then did not have after given birth, so I think 483 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 8: it's safe to say she was probably not injured, and 484 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 8: the autopsy report did say that the baby did not 485 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 8: have any obvious injuries either. 486 00:29:53,640 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 3: Good form City Joson County Bear. I am lady inside. 487 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 4: Her and is Nancy University of Kentucky, and she's twenty 488 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 4: years of age. Her Ears Criterium Joe Snelling the worse 489 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:20,480 Speaker 4: may needs list while also being a student athelete. Do 490 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 4: one athelete on the sunte. 491 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 11: At a university of. 492 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 4: One hundred plus community service hours in the past year, 493 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 4: honor to be aground the. 494 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 1: Jerfy City County. 495 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 4: There's student there and reunion to represent her. 496 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:39,720 Speaker 1: Now, I want to be very clear at this juncture, 497 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 1: Lake and Snellings is not charged with murder. We are 498 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 1: waiting on a full and complete autopsy report. 499 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 9: A roommate's dog leads to a horrific discovery inside lacoln 500 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 9: Snelling's closet. Inside a black trash bag, the remains of 501 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 9: a baby boy, along with the evidence use to hide 502 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 9: the birth. 503 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 1: Lincoln Snelling's caught on video stating how grateful she is 504 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,440 Speaker 1: for quote family. I don't know if that includes the 505 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 1: baby boy found wrapped in towels in a trash bag 506 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 1: in her closet, but I want you to see some 507 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 1: texts that we have uncovered. Here is Lincoln Snellings and 508 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,960 Speaker 1: if you see her goals, let's see a close up 509 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 1: of her goals motherhood. Well, then that baby's getting fed 510 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 1: a bottle by a loving mom with blonde hair like 511 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 1: Lincoln Snellings. That is not what happened to this baby 512 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 1: and also circled as her goal is a family with 513 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 1: two children, engagement, ring, money, and a house. What more 514 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 1: have we learned? Being twenty is so weird, Like I'm 515 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:49,080 Speaker 1: an adult, but I still can't really really do anything. 516 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,240 Speaker 1: But people my age have kids. Well, I think she 517 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 1: knows the answer to that. I actually start tweaking at 518 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 1: the fact I may only birth boys and never get 519 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 1: a girl. That would be a little small miniature me. 520 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 1: My parents had a whole child at my age, and 521 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,680 Speaker 1: I don't even know how to drive on to the 522 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:18,720 Speaker 1: tracks of a car wash. Okay, this and watching the 523 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 1: kids play in the yard. She seems like she'd be 524 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 1: a great mom. How I sleep at night knowing I'm 525 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 1: dating the person I'm going to marry. Marriage is scary. 526 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 1: What if he doesn't want to put our daughter in 527 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 1: cheer the second she can walk? Okay, I need a shrink, 528 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:41,960 Speaker 1: and I need a shrink right now, Doctor Bethany Marshall 529 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:46,719 Speaker 1: the well, they all are significant. Okay, Yes, none of 530 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,160 Speaker 1: this will likely ever come before a jury because they 531 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 1: will be deemed not probative. In other words, they're incendiary 532 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 1: and they don't really prove anything. Right, But what about 533 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 1: the part about I want to have a mini meet. 534 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,040 Speaker 1: What if my only birth boys, which this was a 535 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 1: baby boy, and I don't have a girl, I don't 536 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 1: have a meaning me. That means something, Doctor Beth Andy. 537 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 5: What it tells me that she's preoccupied with having an 538 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 5: idealized life with a little girl who's just like her. 539 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,960 Speaker 5: That she's very self centered, Nancy. She's wrapped up in 540 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,400 Speaker 5: her own little world. These texts are not to another person. 541 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 5: These texts are to herself. She is preoccupied with herself. Now, 542 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 5: women who commit and fanticide usually are not attached to 543 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 5: the baby when they are pregnant. The baby is like 544 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 5: an it, a thing. It does not have a personality, Nancy, 545 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 5: when you were first pregnant, I remember you told me 546 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 5: were on the set of port TV. You were so excited. 547 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:49,080 Speaker 5: You were attached to your babies. It's called maternal preoccupation. 548 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 5: When you're attached. She likely was not attached to the baby. 549 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 5: She was attached to herself, and she was attached to 550 00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 5: the idea of an idealized life. There's the ring, then 551 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:05,840 Speaker 5: there's the baby, Then there's the cash, then there's the house. Oh, 552 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 5: there's the family. So this baby probably was getting in 553 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 5: the way of some scheme or plan that she already had. 554 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,120 Speaker 5: Maybe she was getting ready for a prom, maybe she 555 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 5: wanted to wear a wedding dress. Maybe she wanted to 556 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,440 Speaker 5: find a really rich guy, or she wanted the perfect wedding, 557 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,960 Speaker 5: and this baby was just inconvenient because the little baby 558 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,760 Speaker 5: didn't come around at the right time in her whatever 559 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:33,240 Speaker 5: her plan was for her life. 560 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 1: And Docter Bethany, here's something I don't understand. And I'm 561 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:41,400 Speaker 1: not saying pro or con abortion. I'm not arguing about 562 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:45,520 Speaker 1: abortion tonight. That's a whole other can of worms. But 563 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:50,880 Speaker 1: if you don't want the baby, why wait nine months 564 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 1: and give birth and then murder the baby? Why do 565 00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:59,239 Speaker 1: that as opposed to terminating the pregnancy in the first 566 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:00,680 Speaker 1: three months, Nancy. 567 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,880 Speaker 5: In order to plan for an abortion, you have to 568 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:06,880 Speaker 5: be tethered to reality. Reality is that there is a 569 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 5: baby inside of you. That baby is growing, That baby 570 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 5: will be a person in the real world with real needs, 571 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,759 Speaker 5: a need for food, a need for love, a need 572 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,640 Speaker 5: for care. I would doubt that she would even be 573 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:23,120 Speaker 5: attached enough to this baby to plan any kind of 574 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,840 Speaker 5: medical procedure. I doubt she even went to a doctor 575 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,600 Speaker 5: and got her vitamins or her being able care or 576 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,480 Speaker 5: anything like that. That's one of the more fascinating parts 577 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,880 Speaker 5: of this story was did anybody recognize she was pregnant? 578 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,880 Speaker 5: Did her own mother recognize? What about the other people 579 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,440 Speaker 5: on the cheer team? Or was this sort of a 580 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:45,360 Speaker 5: pipe dream about having a baby at some point in 581 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 5: her life? But at that point she didn't imagine herself 582 00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,920 Speaker 5: to be pregnant. She was just dissociated from the reality 583 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:52,319 Speaker 5: of it all. 584 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,959 Speaker 1: And again, I'm not going down the pro life fom 585 00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,520 Speaker 1: or pro abortion rabbit hole, but I want to get 586 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:01,400 Speaker 1: back to the facts. Listen to this. 587 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 2: Lincoln Snelling pleads not guilty to all three charges levied 588 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,840 Speaker 2: against her and posted her one hundred thousand dollars bond. 589 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,280 Speaker 2: Snelling has been placed on house arrest at her parents 590 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,919 Speaker 2: Jefferson City home. She will not be required to wear 591 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,360 Speaker 2: an ankle monitor. Her next scheduled appearance in a Fayette 592 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,520 Speaker 2: County court is September twenty sixth. 593 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:30,000 Speaker 1: Arms that from our friends at w KYT And you 594 00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:33,480 Speaker 1: heard the judge there at the end, Judge John Tackett, 595 00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,840 Speaker 1: Wait a minute, Harmonia, She not only has walked free, 596 00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,960 Speaker 1: but she doesn't even have to wear an ankle monitor. 597 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,360 Speaker 8: That's right, Nancy. The judge ordered her to await trial 598 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,560 Speaker 8: at her parents' home in Tennessee and specified that she 599 00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,920 Speaker 8: would not have to wear an ankle monitor while she 600 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:53,000 Speaker 8: awaits her trial. 601 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:59,000 Speaker 1: Why, Josh Coles rude, you're the former federal prosecutor. Why 602 00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,520 Speaker 1: not even where an ankle monitor? Forget the ankle monitor 603 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,600 Speaker 1: to hay with that? Why is she out on bond? 604 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:06,200 Speaker 11: Well? 605 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:10,960 Speaker 6: Typically judges have to look at two different prongs when 606 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,279 Speaker 6: evaluating whether or not to give somebody a bond, and 607 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,520 Speaker 6: if so, how much. The first is is the person 608 00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:23,000 Speaker 6: a substantial danger to the community? And the second is 609 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:27,600 Speaker 6: are they substantial flight risk? And here you're dealing with 610 00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:31,319 Speaker 6: somebody who doesn't have any in me that. 611 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:38,480 Speaker 1: She's young and pretty and rich and white. What about that? 612 00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:42,120 Speaker 1: Does that factor into that bond decision? Because I think 613 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:45,839 Speaker 1: it does. Is she too pretty for jail? Because that 614 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,920 Speaker 1: worked with debril Fay? Is that what happens? Just too cute? 615 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:54,279 Speaker 6: Well, in this case, respectfully, she has not been accused 616 00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:58,880 Speaker 6: of murdering anybody yet. The only charges in this case 617 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:04,279 Speaker 6: so far are abuse a corpse and some lower and 618 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,840 Speaker 6: some lesser included charges as well, so until the time 619 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:12,720 Speaker 6: that the state actually accuses her of murdering an infant child, 620 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:18,400 Speaker 6: She's going to be treated as a low level offender. 621 00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:30,560 Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. A date has been set 622 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,680 Speaker 1: for a grand jury to hear evidence in the Lacan 623 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:37,840 Speaker 1: Snelling case and determine whether they will indice the former 624 00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:44,440 Speaker 1: beauty queen University of Kentucky cheerleader stunt girl. Big question 625 00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:48,360 Speaker 1: will be was the baby dead when she put him 626 00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,719 Speaker 1: in the trash bag or did she leave him there 627 00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:55,359 Speaker 1: to die? We have also learned that the facility that 628 00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:59,000 Speaker 1: treated Snelling just a few hours after she allegedly gave 629 00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,480 Speaker 1: birth quote this is from the medical records to a 630 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:06,759 Speaker 1: baby which fell onto the floor of her bedroom. Now 631 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:12,880 Speaker 1: that's according to a search warrant. Interesting that statement about 632 00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:17,960 Speaker 1: the birth was made at the school's medical facility. During 633 00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:23,200 Speaker 1: one of Lincoln Snelling's hospital bed interviews with officers from 634 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:29,360 Speaker 1: the Lexington p D. She allegedly admits to giving birth, 635 00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:33,840 Speaker 1: falling asleep on the kneeborn, wrapping the baby in a towel, 636 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,600 Speaker 1: and putting them in a trash bag along with the placenta. 637 00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:39,840 Speaker 1: She cleaned up the room and headed out to attend 638 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:45,200 Speaker 1: class hm HM. At SENTA class, she chose to go 639 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,480 Speaker 1: to McDonald's. When she got back to her apartment, there 640 00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:52,839 Speaker 1: were local police, her roommates contact and law enforcement after 641 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,759 Speaker 1: they heard noises coming from in the room in the 642 00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:59,000 Speaker 1: middle of the night and then discovered blood in her room. 643 00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:05,759 Speaker 1: When cops got there, they found the dead baby. What 644 00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:10,040 Speaker 1: more do we know surrounding the death of the infant? 645 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,600 Speaker 9: Okay, I'm going to need you sent a deputy over here. 646 00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:16,040 Speaker 1: At one twenty five Lakeside, we got a newborn baby's 647 00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:16,720 Speaker 1: bend started. 648 00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:24,319 Speaker 8: Okay too, yep, thanks Miss Gingham University Delta again. 649 00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:28,320 Speaker 2: The Theta sisters find a suspicious trash bag just outside 650 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,640 Speaker 2: the front door. Tearing it open, they make a gruesome discovery. 651 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,680 Speaker 2: Next to an instant Mac and Cheese box lies the 652 00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:39,120 Speaker 2: dead baby. Girl. Emily Weaver admits she birth the baby 653 00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,760 Speaker 2: in the downstairs bathroom of the Theta house. 654 00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:47,480 Speaker 1: Okay. In that case, sorority's sisters find a dead infant 655 00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:51,319 Speaker 1: and a trash bag right outside their front door, and 656 00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:56,759 Speaker 1: they immediately suspect Emma Emil Weaver. Listen, I just just. 657 00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:01,200 Speaker 12: Want to be able to tell yeah, the cause of 658 00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:09,800 Speaker 12: death on the child and did you do anything physically too? No, 659 00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,799 Speaker 12: it's physically I really obviously didn't do much at all, 660 00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,040 Speaker 12: But it was more concerned. 661 00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:17,799 Speaker 8: Would be the. 662 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,480 Speaker 9: Guys been intentionally get a billet. 663 00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:25,080 Speaker 11: I mean, I would have like not for its head 664 00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:26,600 Speaker 11: up when you just want to drop, you know what 665 00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:26,920 Speaker 11: I mean? 666 00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:31,440 Speaker 6: But it was potentially. 667 00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:33,280 Speaker 13: You did. 668 00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:40,120 Speaker 9: Did you try and keep her alive? I didn't do 669 00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:40,839 Speaker 9: anything to. 670 00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:48,520 Speaker 1: Pure And then you add on Emily Weaver's texts that 671 00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:52,240 Speaker 1: she had been arguing with the BF boyfriend for about 672 00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:56,759 Speaker 1: a month about the quote situation, and then after just 673 00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,319 Speaker 1: a few hours after giving births as a text no 674 00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:06,080 Speaker 1: more baby taken care of, the baby was asphyxiated, suffocated dead. 675 00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:10,719 Speaker 1: Prosecutors argue she intentionally killed the baby by putting the 676 00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:14,279 Speaker 1: baby in the trash where it suffocated, and she was 677 00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:19,600 Speaker 1: sentenced to life. That's what happened there. So I'm just 678 00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:24,480 Speaker 1: thinking through the having the baby and doing nothing to 679 00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:30,240 Speaker 1: keep the baby alive, not just that putting the baby 680 00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:34,839 Speaker 1: in a trash bag wrapped in a towel as in 681 00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:39,320 Speaker 1: this case, could that have been the cause of asphyxiation 682 00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:43,360 Speaker 1: in the case in chief, Now, that case was about 683 00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:47,280 Speaker 1: Emily Weaver, but then there's Alexei Cheviso. 684 00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,239 Speaker 13: We had the lady come to clean the bathroom. She 685 00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,560 Speaker 13: put the baby in the trash can and then she 686 00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,400 Speaker 13: put another clean liner whole the top of it. 687 00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:58,359 Speaker 1: I so they looked. 688 00:42:58,360 --> 00:42:59,880 Speaker 13: When they looked in there, it looked there was a 689 00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,440 Speaker 13: trash and nobody's underneath the clean bag. The baby's dead. 690 00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:05,400 Speaker 5: Okay, we have them. 691 00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,120 Speaker 13: In Tronto too. But she killed a kid. 692 00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,000 Speaker 10: Yeah, how old was he to be? 693 00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:10,640 Speaker 1: I don't know. 694 00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:11,279 Speaker 11: It's full time. 695 00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:13,960 Speaker 1: She just had it. She had it in the bathroom, 696 00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:14,680 Speaker 1: was what happened. 697 00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:16,920 Speaker 13: And then she whatever she did. I don't know if 698 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,520 Speaker 13: she's gonna lie. She wouldn't tell her she's pregnant. She's 699 00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:20,479 Speaker 13: gonna lie the whole time. 700 00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,640 Speaker 1: So she goes in the bathroom pregnant and then selling 701 00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:26,959 Speaker 1: the baby's gone and it's underneath the clean bag near 702 00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,719 Speaker 1: the trash can. There's more. 703 00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,200 Speaker 4: We discovered a dead baby in the bathroom. 704 00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:40,520 Speaker 11: Oh my gosh, Sorry, Legsie, I told you about this, 705 00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,879 Speaker 11: but I just asked your baby showing the truth. 706 00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:55,160 Speaker 1: Was not crying, and that thing was crying. Can do 707 00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:56,760 Speaker 1: you guys have I'm a charge nursery. 708 00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:58,160 Speaker 13: Do you guys have any questions for me. 709 00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,480 Speaker 1: What nine months? 710 00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:07,920 Speaker 11: Something was corrupting you. Let's see, have you watched the 711 00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,000 Speaker 11: news of the girls. 712 00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:12,080 Speaker 1: In what they do to their babies and when they 713 00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:21,839 Speaker 1: go to jail, doctor Benthony Marshall, what's with that mom? 714 00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:24,480 Speaker 5: The mom seems more concerned about her daughter than her 715 00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:27,279 Speaker 5: grand baby. It's it's really concerning. And you know, this 716 00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,560 Speaker 5: is what we call nancy a soft kill. When women 717 00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:35,280 Speaker 5: kill their babies, usually it's suffocating them, poisoning them, whereas 718 00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:37,560 Speaker 5: with men it sends to be some more of overt 719 00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:41,080 Speaker 5: physical violence. So this is just a soft kill. And 720 00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:45,160 Speaker 5: the mother never says, oh my god, my grandbaby. Those 721 00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,239 Speaker 5: words do not come out of the mother's mouth. 722 00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:53,120 Speaker 1: I don't like anything you just said, soft kilm Those 723 00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:57,480 Speaker 1: words don't go together. Imagine how awful it would be 724 00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:02,040 Speaker 1: to be murdered my let's just say fix. Then, imagine 725 00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:05,240 Speaker 1: if you're a baby. You can't speak, you can't move, 726 00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,319 Speaker 1: you can't run away, you can't fight back. You have 727 00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:11,640 Speaker 1: to just lay there and die with something held down 728 00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,640 Speaker 1: over your nose and mouth. And to doctor Kendall, Crown's 729 00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:18,440 Speaker 1: soft kill, my rear end. Could this baby have died 730 00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:22,960 Speaker 1: by asphyxiation? Simply by the baby putting being wrapped in 731 00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:26,480 Speaker 1: towels and put in a trash bag. Could that have 732 00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:28,480 Speaker 1: asphyxiated suffocated the baby? 733 00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:32,040 Speaker 10: Yes, we see that occasionally with full term infronts or 734 00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,520 Speaker 10: babies that are beyond the twenty three week gestation. The 735 00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:37,920 Speaker 10: mother places it in the trash bag and seals the 736 00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,919 Speaker 10: trash bag. Throwing it in the trash There's not enough 737 00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,319 Speaker 10: oxygen in there for the child to survive, and so 738 00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:47,000 Speaker 10: they eventually will suffocate by being in a plastic bag, 739 00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,480 Speaker 10: just as if you put a plastic bag over your head, 740 00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:51,040 Speaker 10: it would suffocate you. 741 00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:56,440 Speaker 1: And then to Chris Buyer's private investigator at Buyer's Investigative Services, 742 00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,480 Speaker 1: I want you to hear this case similar and it's 743 00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:03,160 Speaker 1: one caught up by Josh Cole Road Skyler Richardson. Is 744 00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:05,160 Speaker 1: your bedroom upstairs or bathroom upstairs? 745 00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:09,480 Speaker 12: Okay, so you had to walk downstairs? Are you carrying 746 00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:10,680 Speaker 12: her time? 747 00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,080 Speaker 2: Did you go into the garage or do you have 748 00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:14,120 Speaker 2: an outdoor shed. 749 00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:14,880 Speaker 3: Like where you have a shovel? 750 00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:17,839 Speaker 1: Okay? When what did you find her? 751 00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:18,600 Speaker 13: What did you use? 752 00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:23,400 Speaker 1: Put a little old Oh my god, Jordan, Okay. 753 00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:24,919 Speaker 12: Anderson, what did you do? 754 00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:29,120 Speaker 11: Did you have it? And you didn't have any help, right, Okay. 755 00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:30,280 Speaker 1: What did you do with her. 756 00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:31,520 Speaker 11: While you were digging the hole? 757 00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:39,800 Speaker 1: And Chris Buyers in that particular case, Skyler Richardson, dad asked, 758 00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:43,680 Speaker 1: tell us what's going on, and she says, I tried 759 00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:50,000 Speaker 1: to cremate the baby just a little. She tried to 760 00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:52,200 Speaker 1: burn the baby. Chris. 761 00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:55,800 Speaker 7: Yeah, that is absolutely mind blowing. That level of evil. 762 00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,600 Speaker 7: I just can't even imagine just just all of these 763 00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:02,120 Speaker 7: cases we see just the level of selfishness and self 764 00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:06,640 Speaker 7: absorbedness in these in these girls, and just treating these 765 00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,520 Speaker 7: babies just like garbage just absolutely blows my. 766 00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:13,200 Speaker 1: Mind, like garbage in every way, putting it, putting babies 767 00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:16,319 Speaker 1: in trash, throwing them in dumpsters. I want you to 768 00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,719 Speaker 1: hear it from the horse's mouth, Chris. Here's Skylar Richardson 769 00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:24,640 Speaker 1: stating that she tried to cremate the baby just a little. 770 00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:28,920 Speaker 11: Kind of helful for said, you have to tell your 771 00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:30,040 Speaker 11: reason to hear. 772 00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:34,280 Speaker 5: A little kind. 773 00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:44,120 Speaker 1: I want to be very clear at this juncture, Lincoln 774 00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:49,720 Speaker 1: Snelling is not charged with murder. We are also learning 775 00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:55,560 Speaker 1: that her roommates could hear her giving birth and then 776 00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,279 Speaker 1: snuck in when she left to go to McDonald's to 777 00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:04,719 Speaker 1: find the baby stuffed in her closet. Hours later, Snelling 778 00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:08,120 Speaker 1: reportedly tells the roommates the noise they heard was when 779 00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:12,840 Speaker 1: she quote fell over, passing out from a routine illness. 780 00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,839 Speaker 1: When the roommates find the baby in the closet, they 781 00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:20,560 Speaker 1: till the dispatcher at nine one one. The infant was 782 00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:25,800 Speaker 1: quote cold to the touch. After her arrest, Snelling withdraws 783 00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,520 Speaker 1: from school and is no longer a member of the 784 00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:33,160 Speaker 1: stunt team. Hey, she's got bigger problems than that. What 785 00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:38,040 Speaker 1: will the grand jury be deciding? Likely they will be 786 00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:43,760 Speaker 1: asked to indict Lincoln Snelling on multiple charges. For instance, 787 00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,480 Speaker 1: the charges to which she has already played not guilty, 788 00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:51,840 Speaker 1: but possibly a count of murder or manslaughter, depending on 789 00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:57,720 Speaker 1: what we learn about the baby's autopsy results. We wait 790 00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:08,320 Speaker 1: as justice unfals. Nancy Grace signing off goodbye YAHM.