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Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome back to

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Speaker 1: the show Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always so much

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Speaker 1: for tuning in. Let's hear for the man, the myth,

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Speaker 1: the legend. He's known around the world for being one

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Speaker 1: of the best podcast producers and biggest centophiles out there,

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Speaker 1: also having terrible taste in friends. That's right, Casey Pegram

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Speaker 1: has joined us once again for part two on the

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Speaker 1: history of topiary.

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Speaker 2: Here too, kind Ben, thanks for having me. Here's our guy, Geez.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, man, we don't really need much preamble here. Well,

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Speaker 2: I think you're nol I'm bad, that's your part. I

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Speaker 2: am Still it is a fascinating topic. I don't think

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Speaker 2: any of us had any idea that there was this

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Speaker 2: much to discuss about the surprisingly old art of topiery.

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Speaker 2: So let's just jump right into it. Guys, what do

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Speaker 2: you say to it? Yes, yes, the French tradition, I

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Speaker 2: guess kind of reached its peak under what often is

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Speaker 2: have something that peaks in French history, it's usually because

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Speaker 2: this dude had something to do with it. This is

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Speaker 2: quite opulent fellow Louis the fourteenth in the Palace of Versailles,

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Speaker 2: which was nothing if not maximal, but of course only

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Speaker 2: had one on one bathroom, one toilet.

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Speaker 1: The richest people in France were like, well, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: go poop in the yard by the topieri topiary.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you got to make room for all the topiary.

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Speaker 2: Were they still using human waste as as fertilizer back then,

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Speaker 2: because that would makes sense. They were like they just

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Speaker 2: didn't feel it was that's that's gold, right there, don't

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Speaker 2: be flushing that down brown gold.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Versailles had these four thousand acre gardens. It's huge. You

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Speaker 1: can hear us talk about it in the History of restrooms.

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Speaker 1: And they had very high standards for their for how

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Speaker 1: these topiary things should be cut. One point nine million

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Speaker 1: pots were always on hand so that the beds could

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Speaker 1: be replanted overnight while the king slept and he could

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Speaker 1: wake up to a surprise the next day. It's just

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Speaker 1: absolutely indicative of why France had a revolution.

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Speaker 2: Yes, sure, maybe she didn't say let the meat cake,

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Speaker 2: but the attitude of let the meat cake was pretty pervasive, right.

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Speaker 1: One hundred percent, dude. And then if you go across

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Speaker 1: the channel over to England. You'll see they had something

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Speaker 1: called the not garden. So they would take a bunch

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Speaker 1: of herbs and they would tie them together, you know,

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Speaker 1: like doing a French braid and hair or to like

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Speaker 1: also clip those down into hedges and grow them out

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Speaker 1: into mazes. It was very it was very hot.

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Speaker 2: Time, absolutely, and then we have the Dutch entering the chat.

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Speaker 2: Who you know, if you've ever been to Amsterdam, unbelievably beautiful, flowerful,

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Speaker 2: you know, fields like gardens really just it's like everywhere. Honestly,

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Speaker 2: there's a there's a Mario Kart level for Amsterdam that

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Speaker 2: was recently added and it is just chock full of

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Speaker 2: windmills and tulips. But yeah, the Dutch really got a

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Speaker 2: got a taste for gardening. But also we know, if

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Speaker 2: and they also, surprise, surprise, were super into topiary. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The thing is so the Netherlands now, you know, Amsterdam

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Speaker 1: And they were always as a country struggling with space

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Speaker 1: a very different take on topiery and ornamental gardens in

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Speaker 1: general because they had simply encountered many new species of

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Speaker 1: duper hard on this. And you could go to a garden,

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Speaker 2: But this is still like the era.

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Speaker 1: So maybe they didn't get the tulips, but they wanted

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Speaker 2: That's right. Yeah, and we you know, we certainly have

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Speaker 2: parallels to that. Oh in society, people living above their

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Speaker 2: means or you know, having some sort of thing that

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Speaker 2: there's a status symbol or whatever that might be adorning

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Speaker 2: their their home or their clothing or whatever it might be. Yeah, sure, exactly.

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Speaker 2: So look at me, I'm a fancy guy, even though

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Speaker 2: a it's a pretty tough situation. There's that fancy guy.

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Speaker 1: He's that fancy guy with that wristwatch and a phone

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Speaker 2: And the default mortgage.

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Speaker 1: Right, So yeah, we see that this, you know, this

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Speaker 1: race to acquire social status via topierian specific is to

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Speaker 1: your point, noal, It is a microcosmic example of the

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Speaker 1: larger human urge across culture to impress people based on

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Speaker 1: your material possessions and it should not be a surprise

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Speaker 1: that the Tudors embrace topiary, and Henry the Eighth says,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to the Romans.

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Speaker 2: He goes.

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Speaker 1: He hires some Italian gardeners to transform Hampton Court. He

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Speaker 1: gets real deal Italian landscapers. And when a German writer

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Speaker 1: Elizabeth I, he goes nuts. We've even got a quote

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Speaker 1: from him. He was really impressed. I think that's right.

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Speaker 2: He had to say that he beheld all manner of shapes,

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Speaker 2: men and women, half men and half horse, sirens serving

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Speaker 2: maids with baskets, French lilies and delicate crenelations. That's a

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Speaker 2: great word, all true to the life, and so cleverly

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Speaker 2: and amusingly interwoven, mingled and grown together, trimmed and arranged

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Speaker 2: picture wise that their equal would be difficult to find. Beautiful.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, plus he's also he's a writer, so he's

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Speaker 2: But okay, that's how he talked too, I did it.

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Speaker 2: That was a perfect impression. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: We based that on YouTube recordings from his vlog. So

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Speaker 1: William the Third introduces the Dutch style and then he

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Speaker 1: is the guy who commissions the Hampton Court Maze. Around

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Speaker 1: seventeen hundred, they built this. Beat me here, Casey, they

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Speaker 1: build this big maze, and it's like a hearts and

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Speaker 1: minds thing. It's to impress company, you know, folks to

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Speaker 1: pay are where he grew up up in the US,

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Speaker 1: your parents might have done something similar, like a small

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Speaker 1: version of this is the guest bathroom has the decorative

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, right, right, Oh man. I always get so irritated.

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Speaker 1: I get it. I love festivity. I like commemorating occasions,

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Speaker 1: but it always irritated me as a utilitarian and a

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Speaker 2: This is the you know, end of the year stuff.

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Speaker 2: I've just converted to like a Halloween house. So I

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Speaker 2: just keep my decorations up all year. I add little

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Speaker 2: extra touches like the pumpkins, which obviously don't last year round.

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Speaker 2: But I realized I still have a giant fuzzy spider

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Speaker 2: on my front porch from last Halloween. So I'm just supplementing.

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Speaker 2: I have a weizu board welcome Matt that you know,

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Speaker 2: I bought it Spirit Halloween. But that's just my welcome Matt.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's easier than plus Halloween rules. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Plus you know I said this in a poem. I

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Speaker 1: think of coming out, but it's always Halloween in America,

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Speaker 1: you know it has been for some time.

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Speaker 2: Think about it, folks. But anyway, so I don't think

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Speaker 2: too hard. Yeah, yeah, don't depress yourself. But it is accurate.

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Speaker 1: So there's this awesome topiary like Hedge May's kind of

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Speaker 1: thing going on in Hampton Court. A lot of other

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Speaker 1: just like plenty of the younger And we know that

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Speaker 1: a lot of these have been lost in time. But

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Speaker 1: we also saw something that happens with any esthetic trend

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Speaker 1: or fashionable fad. Once too many people are able to

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Speaker 1: do it, it loses its social utility. That's why so

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Speaker 1: many other w high faluting fashion houses would get mad

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Speaker 1: when too many hip hop celebrities liked their stuff, Like

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Speaker 1: Burberry got mad about that totally.

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Speaker 2: I mean the scarcity and exclusivity model is key. You know.

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Speaker 2: That's why I like Supreme. If you go on their website,

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Speaker 2: there's stuff's always sold out because you have to buy

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Speaker 2: it in the store. It's the only way. And when

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Speaker 2: or it's gone. And it's actually a pretty decent little

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Speaker 2: way to make some money flipping that stuff if you

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Speaker 2: actually live near one of those places there, even if

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Speaker 2: you're not into the style. Yeah, and this happens with

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Speaker 2: topiery as well.

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Speaker 1: There's a really solid argument the country life folks make

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Speaker 1: that as topiery became more common, as it became more

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Speaker 1: especially when a guy named Joseph Addison and launches a

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Speaker 1: British Gardeners, he writes in seventeen twelve, instead of artering nature,

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Speaker 2: Our trees rise.

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Speaker 1: And cones, globes and pyramids. We see the marks of

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Speaker 1: the scissors upon every plant. And for my own part,

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Speaker 1: I would rather look upon a tree and all its luxuriancy,

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Speaker 1: it is cut thus and trimmed into a mathematical figure.

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Speaker 2: So this quote is interesting because like every other word

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Speaker 2: is capitalized. Yes, it's like a poem or something. It's

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Speaker 2: very wow, it's like a manifesto. By the way, I

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Speaker 2: just wanted to add, I think Supreme should make a topiery.

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Speaker 2: That's a great idea. Yeah, just one.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at their website. One hundred and fifty eight

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Speaker 1: a little bit more of an impressive hoodie?

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Speaker 2: I agree, dude. Not to mention if you've ever been

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Speaker 2: into what's it called Balenciaga. They have one of those

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Speaker 2: in Atlanta, and I looked at a nondescript gray hoodie

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Speaker 2: that just says Balenciaga on it in very small script,

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Speaker 2: one thousand dollars. No, thank you, it's good. It's irritating.

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Speaker 1: I've been a busy little bit and I've been saving money,

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Speaker 2: In a lot of airports. We all do.

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Speaker 1: And the thing that gets me especially when you're traveling

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Speaker 1: I saved up for quite a while to fly across

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Speaker 1: the Pacific, and the first thing I'm gonna do is

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Speaker 1: impulse purchase a Rolex.

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Speaker 2: You doesn't you doesn't like dare not right?

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Speaker 1: It's apparently it's a northern US contraction of dare not

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Speaker 2: There was stuff we couldn't even get to in this

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Speaker 1: Too, Casey pegrim our super producer man the myth legend, Casey,

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Speaker 1: I do hope we can make this a regular thing.

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Speaker 1: Are you gonna help us get the band back together?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely love to Nice Okay, and big big thanks of

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Speaker 1: course to Max white Pants Williams. Big thanks to Jonathan

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Speaker 1: not publicly mock his hedge phobia, his topiary phobia, and

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Speaker 1: I do want everybody to know he has one, so

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Speaker 1: as of course, as always, if you have complaints, send

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Speaker 1: him to our complaint department, that is Jonathan Strickland at.

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Speaker 2: iHeartRadio dot com.

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Speaker 1: Big thanks Chris Frosciotis E's Jeffcoat here in Spirit, Gabe Lucier,

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Speaker 1: Alex Williams and Nole.

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Speaker 2: Big thanks to you. Man. I'm excited about the botanical gardener.

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Speaker 2: Me too, Buddy, me too, and thanks to you as well.

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Speaker 2: We'll see you next time, folks. For more podcasts from

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