WEBVTT - Bloomberg Businessweek Weekend: October 11th, 2024 0:00:01.120 --> 0:00:06.000 This is Bloomberg BusinessWeek inside from the reporters and editors 0:00:06.040 --> 0:00:10.200 who bring you America's most trusted business magazine, plus global business, 0:00:10.360 --> 0:00:14.000 finance and tech news as it happens. Bloomberg Business Week 0:00:14.240 --> 0:00:18.400 with Carol Messer and Tim Stenebek on Bloomberg Radio. 0:00:20.120 --> 0:00:23.840 Welcome to the weekend edition of Bloomberg Business Week. I'm 0:00:23.880 --> 0:00:26.680 Matt Miller, filling in for Carol and Tim. They spent 0:00:26.800 --> 0:00:30.160 the week in la at Bloomberg screen Time. The event 0:00:30.200 --> 0:00:34.040 brought together celebrities, entrepreneurs, and media executives in the heart 0:00:34.040 --> 0:00:37.960 of Hollywood to discuss the future of entertainment, and today 0:00:38.000 --> 0:00:40.120 we're going to bring you some of the most influential 0:00:40.159 --> 0:00:44.600 conversations from the gathering. Coming up this hour, how Netflix 0:00:44.640 --> 0:00:48.360 stays ahead of the competition with its slate of new programming. 0:00:48.600 --> 0:00:52.000 We'll hear from the company's chief content officer. Plus how 0:00:52.120 --> 0:00:56.240 artificial intelligence plays into twenty first century entertainment. We'll speak 0:00:56.240 --> 0:00:58.840 to the co creator of South Park about using big 0:00:58.920 --> 0:01:02.280 tech on the small screen. But first, let's talk about 0:01:02.320 --> 0:01:04.679 the future of TV from one of the biggest names 0:01:04.680 --> 0:01:08.920 in the industry. NBC was founded in nineteen twenty six, 0:01:09.040 --> 0:01:12.440 making it one of the oldest entertainment broadcasters in the world. 0:01:12.840 --> 0:01:17.039 As competition increased in the media landscape, Comcast acquired NBC 0:01:17.280 --> 0:01:21.000 Universal more than a decade ago, and now the network 0:01:21.040 --> 0:01:24.160 is fresh off a successful Summer Olympics and a new 0:01:24.200 --> 0:01:26.840 deal with the NBA. So what better time to hear 0:01:26.880 --> 0:01:30.720 from Brian Roberts. He's chairman and CEO of Comcast NBC 0:01:30.920 --> 0:01:33.800 Universal and sat down with Lucas Shaw from the Bloomberg 0:01:33.840 --> 0:01:35.960 screen Time event in Los Angeles. 0:01:36.240 --> 0:01:38.920 You seem to be investing more in media entertainment at 0:01:38.920 --> 0:01:41.240 a time where there's a lot of anxiety and uncertainty 0:01:41.240 --> 0:01:43.560 about it. Why does it make sense for comcasts to 0:01:43.600 --> 0:01:46.080 be in the entertainment business and what do you see 0:01:46.319 --> 0:01:48.720 that's sort of bright about the future that maybe others 0:01:48.960 --> 0:01:49.680 don't agree with. 0:01:50.400 --> 0:01:54.680 Well, I think a broad statement like that. You know, 0:01:54.800 --> 0:01:58.880 Larry Ellison just chose to get in. You're sponsored by AWS. 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:04.960 There's you know, a complete change of who's enthusiastic and 0:02:04.960 --> 0:02:07.040 what do they bring to the party, And maybe some 0:02:07.080 --> 0:02:09.280 of those folks thought it was time to exit. 0:02:10.480 --> 0:02:13.760 We're pretty excited about the company we've got. 0:02:14.400 --> 0:02:19.560 We have in the media part of the business, you know, 0:02:20.000 --> 0:02:25.160 studios growing great. You know, we have in Peacock a strategy. 0:02:25.200 --> 0:02:27.080 I'm sure we'll get into it a little more. That 0:02:27.200 --> 0:02:30.120 is a growth business for us. And we've also selling 0:02:30.120 --> 0:02:33.800 our Hulu steak, so we actually will have you know, 0:02:34.240 --> 0:02:37.880 very little money net in streaming in terms of losses 0:02:37.960 --> 0:02:40.440 versus profits, so you know. 0:02:40.440 --> 0:02:41.320 Each company is different. 0:02:41.360 --> 0:02:43.920 Then we also have a broadband the majority of the 0:02:43.960 --> 0:02:49.720 company my dad started Comcast Cable now really a broadband connectivity. 0:02:49.040 --> 0:02:52.640 Business Wi Fi. You know, if you were to go 0:02:52.720 --> 0:02:55.639 back ten years and you say, let's design with. 0:02:55.520 --> 0:02:57.960 Your perfect knowledge of what the world looks like today, 0:02:58.400 --> 0:03:00.600 what would be a cool company would say, I'd like 0:03:00.639 --> 0:03:03.920 to connect everybody to what we're doing, whether it's in 0:03:03.960 --> 0:03:06.480 streaming or whether it's in AI, or whether it's going 0:03:06.560 --> 0:03:09.799 to be in you whatever comes next. 0:03:09.919 --> 0:03:11.360 Zoom calls working from. 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:16.079 Home, and we have the nation's most connected broadband customers. 0:03:16.680 --> 0:03:20.519 We have a converge service with wireless. 0:03:20.520 --> 0:03:24.280 And broadband in more homes than AT and T, Verizon 0:03:24.639 --> 0:03:28.920 T Mobile combined, and a lot of that content. One 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:32.200 hundred million people every quarter coming to watch today's show. 0:03:32.240 --> 0:03:33.960 Tonight's show SNL. 0:03:34.080 --> 0:03:36.840 Which is fabulous as always this year, And don't know 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:37.200 how one. 0:03:37.200 --> 0:03:38.440 Michael can do it every time. 0:03:38.480 --> 0:03:41.080 But this being such an important year, what a great 0:03:41.120 --> 0:03:45.000 first two shows, and then film and television and the 0:03:45.040 --> 0:03:49.520 stories we have, and then of course sports, and I'm sure. 0:03:49.360 --> 0:03:50.760 We'll talk a little about that as well. 0:03:51.080 --> 0:03:53.160 So I think we have a pretty great company. And 0:03:53.560 --> 0:03:57.440 I'm more excited. This will be our sixtieth year. 0:03:57.880 --> 0:03:59.320 My dad founded it. 0:03:59.560 --> 0:04:02.720 This will be and last year was the most profitable 0:04:02.760 --> 0:04:06.080 year and the best year in company's history. And you 0:04:06.080 --> 0:04:08.320 know we're about to do earnings. Think we're going to 0:04:08.360 --> 0:04:10.080 have a great year this year by all the analyst 0:04:10.080 --> 0:04:12.720 accounts and maybe even the best year in the company's 0:04:12.720 --> 0:04:13.720 history are right there. 0:04:14.240 --> 0:04:17.400 And so why would you not be excited? 0:04:18.080 --> 0:04:19.000 You brought up Peacock. 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:25.039 I'm curious how long until Peacock is really a profitable 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:26.760 and sustainable business on its own. 0:04:27.279 --> 0:04:28.760 Well, first of all, we don't look at as on 0:04:28.800 --> 0:04:31.760 its own, so I'm not doing a duct your question completely, 0:04:31.880 --> 0:04:33.960 But that's not how we're running the business. We're running 0:04:33.960 --> 0:04:36.560 it as part of the media business. So take the Olympics. 0:04:38.279 --> 0:04:42.800 Eighty seven percent of the viewing was on NBC or 0:04:43.320 --> 0:04:44.680 one of our cable channels. 0:04:45.080 --> 0:04:46.320 Thirteen percent was on. 0:04:46.240 --> 0:04:50.240 Peacock but together we presented to the consumer all those choices, 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:54.520 every event, every athlete, every country, Mike Turico doing two 0:04:54.560 --> 0:04:56.919 prime time shows in a heroic fashion. 0:04:57.160 --> 0:04:59.120 You know, hard to get. We have the stats here. 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:02.599 Universal had the most viewership of any company KEP viewership 0:05:02.640 --> 0:05:04.839 at any company in August because of the lie. 0:05:04.680 --> 0:05:07.080 Did it for seventeen straight days. It's so hard to 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:11.160 keep America's viewer's attention for more than two hours, let 0:05:11.200 --> 0:05:12.480 alone seventeen days. 0:05:13.000 --> 0:05:16.520 So that was a whole company effort. 0:05:16.640 --> 0:05:19.240 And so to pick one part of the company and say, well, 0:05:19.279 --> 0:05:22.120 how's that part doing well? If your goal is to 0:05:22.279 --> 0:05:25.720 just be Netflix, that's a really important question. If your 0:05:25.720 --> 0:05:29.360 goal is to have a media company that, particularly in 0:05:29.400 --> 0:05:34.279 the United States, which is where most of our emphasis is, 0:05:34.279 --> 0:05:39.160 is to deliver sports to I think of Bloomberg didn't 0:05:39.160 --> 0:05:39.880 have a print business. 0:05:39.920 --> 0:05:42.120 But I was chatting with some friends from the Wall Street. 0:05:41.880 --> 0:05:46.599 Journal and they had to go from a quote dying 0:05:46.640 --> 0:05:50.000 print business to a growing digital business. 0:05:50.080 --> 0:05:51.840 And New York Times had to do the same. 0:05:52.480 --> 0:05:55.200 There's some people that didn't make it USA today may 0:05:55.240 --> 0:06:00.599 not quite get there. If you inquire regional papers, tough business. 0:06:01.760 --> 0:06:04.359 We think NBC we. 0:06:04.279 --> 0:06:06.279 Are going to get there, and Peacock is going to 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:08.320 be part of how that happens. As more and more 0:06:08.320 --> 0:06:11.040 people cut the cord, more and more people will take Peacock. 0:06:11.120 --> 0:06:14.279 That's why people ask about the sustainability to Peacock. I 0:06:14.279 --> 0:06:17.600 get that it's part of this broader group, right, But 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:19.960 your cable networks are the ones that are going in 0:06:20.000 --> 0:06:22.359 the wrong direction, right, so you need something to offset that. 0:06:22.640 --> 0:06:26.120 Peacock. We think this year will be the most. 0:06:25.920 --> 0:06:30.120 Losses we've had, even including the NBA investment that we're making. 0:06:31.240 --> 0:06:33.360 We're already improved, that's what last. 0:06:33.760 --> 0:06:35.400 They won't hurt profitability going for. 0:06:35.279 --> 0:06:37.839 Well, it might have theoretically in the short run, but 0:06:37.960 --> 0:06:41.800 in the long run, we're super excited and think that 0:06:41.839 --> 0:06:44.640 it's factored into what we need to spend and what 0:06:44.680 --> 0:06:46.200 will monetize if you go back. 0:06:47.240 --> 0:06:50.160 We had all our content on Hulu. We bought the company. 0:06:50.240 --> 0:06:53.560 That was what NBC had committed to before we own 0:06:53.600 --> 0:06:58.200 the company. Then Fox happened and Disney got control of Hulu. 0:06:58.839 --> 0:07:03.640 We worked out a amicable way to extricate, which was 0:07:03.680 --> 0:07:06.000 taking five years. We didn't want to sell our Hulu 0:07:06.040 --> 0:07:07.640 steak until the end of those five years. 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:09.920 More than years at this point a little bit. 0:07:10.000 --> 0:07:12.920 We're gonna We're going to figure out eventually the end 0:07:13.080 --> 0:07:16.440 and we will have taken We've already taken, you know, 0:07:16.600 --> 0:07:19.120 a lot of billions of dollars out off of several 0:07:19.240 --> 0:07:24.520 hundred million dollar investment and maybe more to come, we hope. 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:27.720 And so when that's all said, none, we got all 0:07:27.720 --> 0:07:31.200 the content onto Peacock, but we had to start at 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:33.680 a very late date compared to other streaming codes. So 0:07:33.720 --> 0:07:37.040 our strategy was to take all the sports we had 0:07:37.720 --> 0:07:39.920 and now make them available to people who didn't buy 0:07:39.960 --> 0:07:42.200 the bundle. We're the first ones in a way to 0:07:42.200 --> 0:07:46.080 actually do that, and then later on all the episodes 0:07:46.120 --> 0:07:49.560 and all the seasons and all the all the great 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:52.560 content that Donna's making and film created a new set 0:07:52.560 --> 0:07:56.400 of windows. Team did a super job where some of 0:07:56.440 --> 0:07:59.280 our content is for four months, all of it's on Peacock. 0:07:59.680 --> 0:08:05.080 The next ten months it goes to either Amazon or Netflix, and. 0:08:05.040 --> 0:08:06.120 Then back to Peacock. 0:08:06.560 --> 0:08:09.520 Nobody had ever done that before, So we've been kind 0:08:09.560 --> 0:08:13.160 of innovating, i think, in the changing industry and the 0:08:13.240 --> 0:08:16.400 changing landscape to work for our set assets to give 0:08:16.480 --> 0:08:19.160 us a very sustainable path to be able to say 0:08:19.160 --> 0:08:22.800 to you that our media business will be profitable, is profitable, 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:25.760 will continue to be profitable, and I believe will grow 0:08:26.240 --> 0:08:28.760 despite the downward pressure because of the growth of Peacock. 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:33.719 Right, I'm wondering if you are confident in Peacock on 0:08:33.760 --> 0:08:37.480 its own, not on its own, you know, within your company, 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:40.760 but as a viable streaming service going forward, why it's 0:08:40.800 --> 0:08:43.800 been publicly reported by Bloomberg and others. You've had conversations 0:08:43.800 --> 0:08:47.080 with other companies about merging streaming services, joint ventures, that 0:08:47.080 --> 0:08:47.520 sort of thing. 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:50.160 You know, Paramount's certainly been out there. Why have those 0:08:50.200 --> 0:08:53.080 talks if you're a big believer in Peacock. 0:08:53.400 --> 0:08:58.160 Well, there's always just because you reported a Bloomberg I 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:01.360 mucho say it's accurate, But of course if it's Bloomberg, 0:09:01.880 --> 0:09:02.920 it must be accurate. 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:06.640 So therefore, well you reference the Journal they also reported. 0:09:06.720 --> 0:09:08.920 I feel like, if both Bloomberg and the Journal are 0:09:08.920 --> 0:09:10.760 reporting something odds, are it's accurate? 0:09:10.840 --> 0:09:16.120 Absolutely so, and throw NBC News in there too. 0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:21.880 So in all seriousness, obviously people are going to say, 0:09:21.880 --> 0:09:24.480 here's a changing landscape, what can I do that would 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:27.000 advance myself? So conversations are always going to happen they 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:30.160 happen all businesses all the time. I think it's a 0:09:30.200 --> 0:09:36.079 tough thing to actually get executed because I'm a believer 0:09:37.040 --> 0:09:40.760 coming from where I started my career in cable. My 0:09:40.840 --> 0:09:43.480 first job was selling HBO door to door, one of 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:47.120 the first jobs, and we had a lot of channels. 0:09:47.200 --> 0:09:49.640 When John Malone said we're going to go to five 0:09:49.720 --> 0:09:52.520 hundred channels, it kind of got laughed about. 0:09:52.520 --> 0:09:56.040 And then the Internet, of course went to Infinity Infinity, 0:09:57.360 --> 0:09:59.480 So the notion that we'd have ten streaming service doesn't 0:09:59.520 --> 0:10:03.040 intimidate me whatsoever. The technology for the consumer is the 0:10:03.120 --> 0:10:05.920 question can I bounce from show to show? 0:10:06.040 --> 0:10:08.520 I'm not sure hard to get from Netflix to Peacock 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:09.360 to Apple there. 0:10:09.679 --> 0:10:12.000 If you believe that's how it's going to be, then 0:10:12.200 --> 0:10:14.840 that's an issue. I'm coming from a world that we 0:10:14.880 --> 0:10:16.920 went from three channels when my dad started to five 0:10:17.000 --> 0:10:20.079 hundred channels and we had no problem doing that and 0:10:20.160 --> 0:10:23.040 the consumer got used to it. So the question will 0:10:23.040 --> 0:10:26.120 be can we solve that? Well, we have a technology 0:10:26.160 --> 0:10:28.760 which we've licensed to Charter, We've launched the Rogers, we 0:10:28.800 --> 0:10:31.040 doew it with Sky, we do it in Australia, we 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:33.560 do it in South Africa, where you just talk to 0:10:33.600 --> 0:10:39.600 it and say House of Cards, Sunday night football, Dodgers game, congratulations, 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:40.719 affilies didn't. 0:10:40.440 --> 0:10:44.120 Do so well yesterday. You just go. It's just like 0:10:44.200 --> 0:10:45.000 changing channels. 0:10:45.720 --> 0:10:47.880 Now somebody will come along and say, well, can I 0:10:47.880 --> 0:10:50.920 buy one subscription and get all these services? 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:51.920 So I'm not out of luck. 0:10:51.960 --> 0:10:54.400 Well that sounds like cable TV was, so I have 0:10:54.440 --> 0:10:56.960 a bias that I could see it all kind of 0:10:57.040 --> 0:11:00.240 being some form of consumer wants to go where the 0:11:00.280 --> 0:11:05.040 great content is. And if AMC makes a show Breaking Bad, 0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:09.240 and nobody had ever watched AMC before that, perhaps and 0:11:09.280 --> 0:11:11.839 all of a sudden they had AMC and they had 0:11:11.840 --> 0:11:15.400 Breaking Bad, that's the great community here. 0:11:15.760 --> 0:11:17.520 Makes the breakthrough. 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:21.439 Must have programming, whether that one day is an Olympics 0:11:21.520 --> 0:11:23.280 or one day is a show that I. 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:26.160 Never knew I wanted, and the word of mouth, and. 0:11:26.080 --> 0:11:30.760 I'm confident that Peacock can play an important role in that. 0:11:30.880 --> 0:11:31.880 And whether we do that. 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:34.559 With others or by ourselves or in some sort of partnership, 0:11:34.880 --> 0:11:37.199 you know, those are things that right today we're pretty 0:11:37.200 --> 0:11:37.920 happy where we're at. 0:11:38.000 --> 0:11:40.760 But we'll see. We didn't bid on paramount. 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:44.720 You know, all the press wants to have us do 0:11:44.800 --> 0:11:47.319 something I don't know that we are going to do right. 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:51.560 That was Comcast NBC Universal Chairman and CEO Brian Roberts 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:55.040 speaking with Bloomberg's Lucas Shaw from our screen Time event 0:11:55.080 --> 0:11:58.079 in Los Angeles this week. The Summer Olympics helped get 0:11:58.200 --> 0:12:01.440 NBC a boost this year, but it's been a challenging 0:12:01.480 --> 0:12:05.360 year for media stocks. Comcast shares are down roughly six 0:12:05.400 --> 0:12:09.520 percent on the year. Coming up next, how artificial intelligence 0:12:09.520 --> 0:12:12.600 plays into twenty first century entertainment. We'll speak with the 0:12:12.600 --> 0:12:15.640 co creator of South Park about using big tech on 0:12:15.720 --> 0:12:18.880 the small screen as straight Ahead in this special weekend 0:12:19.040 --> 0:12:21.920 edition of Bloomberg Business Week, bringing you some of the 0:12:21.960 --> 0:12:25.800 best conversations from this week's screen Time event in Los Angeles. 0:12:26.200 --> 0:12:28.640 I'm Matt Miller filling in for Carol and Tim, and 0:12:28.760 --> 0:12:30.320 this is Bluebook. 0:12:40.160 --> 0:12:43.760 Everything you love about Bloomberg Radio is now inside your car. 0:12:43.960 --> 0:12:46.640 Download the Bloomberg Business app featuring our Little Car play, 0:12:46.679 --> 0:12:49.040 and then right outo free in the MLAP store or 0:12:49.080 --> 0:12:57.480 on Google Play. This is Bloomberg Business Week with Carol 0:12:57.520 --> 0:13:01.719 Messer and Tim Stenebeck on Bloomberg Radio. 0:13:03.160 --> 0:13:05.960 You're listening to the weekend edition of Bloomberg Business Week. 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:08.640 I'm Matt Miller, filling in for Carolyn tim who spent 0:13:08.679 --> 0:13:12.600 the week in Los Angeles at Bloomberg screen Time. The 0:13:12.640 --> 0:13:15.800 event focused on the future of entertainment and the impact 0:13:15.920 --> 0:13:19.400 of AI on creative industries, and today we're bringing you 0:13:19.480 --> 0:13:23.160 some of our conversations from the gathering. Up next, we 0:13:23.160 --> 0:13:25.079 speak to the co creator of one of the longest 0:13:25.120 --> 0:13:29.240 running shows on television. Matt Stone helped create South Park 0:13:29.360 --> 0:13:32.559 nearly thirty years ago, and today he continues to offer 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:36.200 his audience the same fresh, unapologetic humor he did in 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:39.520 nineteen ninety seven. Now he focuses on keeping the show 0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:44.920 relevant while experimenting with artificial intelligence in his program. For 0:13:44.960 --> 0:13:47.880 more on the future of tech in entertainment, Matt Stone 0:13:47.920 --> 0:13:51.200 sat down with Lucas Shaw this week at Bloomberg screen 0:13:51.320 --> 0:13:54.000 Time in La Let's hear some of that conversation. 0:13:54.160 --> 0:13:56.720 Now, is there an end in sight for the show? 0:13:56.840 --> 0:13:58.439 Or have you guys just reached a point where you're like, 0:13:58.480 --> 0:14:00.720 we're just going to keep doing it. At a certain point, 0:14:00.720 --> 0:14:02.960 maybe we'll get tired of it, but for now we're. 0:14:02.960 --> 0:14:05.079 I think we're gonna No, we don't have an end insight. 0:14:05.080 --> 0:14:08.439 And actually, and I'll say honestly, it's because it's still 0:14:08.520 --> 0:14:11.040 such an awesome sandbox. Yeah. You know, we're working on 0:14:11.080 --> 0:14:12.800 a movie right now, a live action movie. When we 0:14:12.840 --> 0:14:14.839 get back to south Park, it's going to be like, oh, right, 0:14:14.840 --> 0:14:17.560 here we go, like I can't wait to see find 0:14:17.600 --> 0:14:19.720 you know, hang out with those characters again. To be 0:14:19.800 --> 0:14:21.680 cheesy about it, like we love, we love, we love 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:23.480 doing south Park. And then I think we'll just we 0:14:23.560 --> 0:14:25.800 will last long enough to reach the singularity and pass 0:14:25.840 --> 0:14:26.600 it off to our AI. 0:14:27.200 --> 0:14:29.600 Do you ever because I believe you have a relatively 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:31.960 friendly relationship with the Simpsons people, right. 0:14:32.160 --> 0:14:34.520 I mean we don't know anybody really personally. I mean, 0:14:34.560 --> 0:14:35.320 you know, but I. 0:14:35.240 --> 0:14:37.760 Think they had you beat by about eight nine years 0:14:37.760 --> 0:14:40.720 something like that. Like do you ever yeah, yeah, these 0:14:40.720 --> 0:14:42.800 two shows that have been on forever. Do you ever 0:14:42.840 --> 0:14:44.840 think like, Okay, we gotta go on longer than Nadi. 0:14:45.040 --> 0:14:48.920 Oh that will be in the AI singularity future, whatever 0:14:48.920 --> 0:14:51.200 the hell that is. No, The Simpsons was an incredibly 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:53.880 formative show for us. You know, we were in college watching, 0:14:54.000 --> 0:14:56.240 going to bars, watching it along with people along with 0:14:56.280 --> 0:14:58.440 them beave some buttead those were like, oh you can 0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:01.040 do this, you know before before that there was no 0:15:01.120 --> 0:15:02.920 idea that you could do an adult animation. 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:06.120 Is there a new adult animated show that you really love? Like? 0:15:06.120 --> 0:15:07.840 Have you seen anything new in the last five years 0:15:07.840 --> 0:15:12.000 I'm watching. I don't watch any television really, not like none. 0:15:12.240 --> 0:15:12.600 Why not? 0:15:13.440 --> 0:15:15.640 I got kids, and I got work, and I don't know. 0:15:15.760 --> 0:15:17.840 I don't do anything more valid. I don't do anything. Well, Okay, 0:15:18.640 --> 0:15:19.920 you know, hang out with my friends. You're a gonna 0:15:20.120 --> 0:15:20.480 video game. 0:15:20.560 --> 0:15:22.560 Let's say you go home this weekend, right, you have 0:15:23.160 --> 0:15:27.120 what do you do to relax? I don't know. 0:15:27.160 --> 0:15:27.960 I just don't watch TV. 0:15:28.080 --> 0:15:30.080 I know that's fine, but so what do you do? Okay, 0:15:30.240 --> 0:15:30.600 what is this? 0:15:31.640 --> 0:15:33.440 Go on a hike, hang out with my kids. They're 0:15:33.440 --> 0:15:35.080 coming in town this weekend. I haven't seen them in 0:15:35.080 --> 0:15:37.960 a few weeks. I see my friends, right, I might 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:41.600 have a drink that's allowed. Yes, I have a smoke. Also, 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:43.280 might hang out with people. I don't know. I just 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:45.720 am not a TV person. I really never have been personally, 0:15:46.240 --> 0:15:47.960 and now to get to like if there's anything now, 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:49.640 I just find the whole thing bewildering. When I turn 0:15:49.680 --> 0:15:52.840 on there's no way I'm when I find I feel 0:15:52.880 --> 0:15:55.840 burned the last couple of TV shows I've gotten into, 0:15:56.360 --> 0:15:58.640 and I do feel like this has been a bual 0:15:58.680 --> 0:16:01.440 of casualty or the problem with the streaming revolution is 0:16:01.480 --> 0:16:03.240 like someone to say, you gotta watch this show. You 0:16:03.240 --> 0:16:05.960 gotta watch Mandalorian, it's so awesome. You gotta watch Battle 0:16:06.000 --> 0:16:08.120 starkal Act, you gotta watch this one show, and I'll 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:10.600 never watch TV. And I will, and I'll go on, 0:16:10.680 --> 0:16:13.040 I'll start watching it and it's great, and I'm like, 0:16:13.080 --> 0:16:15.200 I am missing something, and then you get into that 0:16:15.240 --> 0:16:19.880 second season and there's that episode that's and I feel 0:16:20.800 --> 0:16:24.280 so betrayed. No, it's no, I don't have a rational 0:16:24.320 --> 0:16:26.080 I'm like, oh, well, you know what the economics they 0:16:26.080 --> 0:16:28.920 really tried. I don't do that. You're wasting my time. 0:16:29.320 --> 0:16:32.120 And that's when I feel like they're them. Know the 0:16:32.160 --> 0:16:35.440 business of the business that this is, the streaming revolution 0:16:35.560 --> 0:16:38.200 is created, is destorying the art of what should be 0:16:38.200 --> 0:16:41.120 being made. Even though I'm irrational about it. 0:16:41.160 --> 0:16:43.480 I'm a cures start because you're talking about season two, right, 0:16:43.600 --> 0:16:44.280 and one of them two. 0:16:44.320 --> 0:16:45.960 As soon as I feel like you're wasting my time, 0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:48.440 I feel completely betrayed because I fell in love with 0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:49.840 something and now I know you're and I just I 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:52.160 have like a short views and that's that, well one 0:16:52.200 --> 0:16:54.080 about the computer, and then I don't watch TV for 0:16:54.080 --> 0:16:58.120 three more years. That's if anybody knows that is seriously true. 0:16:58.160 --> 0:17:00.240 You know, it's funny because I feel like one of 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:04.320 the criticisms of streaming services is they cancel shows too quickly. 0:17:04.520 --> 0:17:06.840 Shows never like there's no streaming. 0:17:06.440 --> 0:17:08.840 Show that is in I don't think in like season 0:17:08.920 --> 0:17:12.080 ten or twelve or anything like that. But so what 0:17:12.160 --> 0:17:15.440 part of the process do you feel like streaming has distorted? 0:17:15.720 --> 0:17:17.240 I don't know if it's streaming or like I just 0:17:17.359 --> 0:17:19.480 the and listen, I gotta show this on twenty seven years. 0:17:19.520 --> 0:17:21.040 So you know what am I talking about? I don't know, 0:17:21.119 --> 0:17:23.399 you know, but like it's just when I feel like 0:17:23.480 --> 0:17:25.800 someone's wasting my time and I just I feel like 0:17:25.840 --> 0:17:28.719 that that is part of the butter and bread equation 0:17:28.840 --> 0:17:31.920 that's gotten screwed up in the twenty tens from streaming 0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:34.040 of like, well let's make the bread. This my god, this, 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:36.320 there's this much butter in the world, or that we're 0:17:36.320 --> 0:17:38.040 gonna do this much bread, and so it doesn't work, right. 0:17:38.119 --> 0:17:40.680 There's just not that much good stuff out there, right, 0:17:40.760 --> 0:17:43.320 because the technologies made it so with editing and photography 0:17:43.359 --> 0:17:47.000 and everything, everything looks glossy and it looks good, and 0:17:47.119 --> 0:17:49.639 you go, Okay, this feels good, and then they fool you, 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:51.840 and then episode seven you realize you're wasting my time, 0:17:51.960 --> 0:17:54.320 and then again bang, and then I get really mad. 0:17:54.480 --> 0:17:57.119 Do you think that I'm curious? 0:17:57.119 --> 0:17:59.959 Do you worry that AI makes that worse because it 0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:01.679 make it even easier to make stuff? 0:18:02.240 --> 0:18:05.560 I don't know. Yeah, I mean maybe because on the 0:18:05.600 --> 0:18:07.080 other hand, there's a lot of people who are the 0:18:07.080 --> 0:18:09.960 technologies made it so that there's a lot there's a 0:18:10.000 --> 0:18:11.520 lot of cool stuff happening. There's I don't need to 0:18:11.560 --> 0:18:13.400 be a complete grouch. I'm a pretty big grouch when 0:18:13.440 --> 0:18:16.040 someone wastes my time. But if you know, there has 0:18:16.119 --> 0:18:18.080 been a lot of like great stuff, like with YouTube 0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:21.600 and people online. What am I saying, I've seen the tools, 0:18:21.880 --> 0:18:24.600 the tools to make films are so much different than 0:18:24.600 --> 0:18:27.680 when Trey and I started. That's cool. It's cool that 0:18:27.720 --> 0:18:29.080 people can make stuff. 0:18:29.960 --> 0:18:32.480 Like how much does the well, this is maybe going 0:18:32.480 --> 0:18:34.240 in the other direction what you're just saying, like how 0:18:34.320 --> 0:18:36.760 much does the average episode of South Park cost now 0:18:36.840 --> 0:18:37.840 versus when you started? 0:18:38.520 --> 0:18:41.320 Oh, the gazillion times more because Trey and I make 0:18:41.440 --> 0:18:41.800 so much. 0:18:41.960 --> 0:18:47.000 Yeah, you know, I mean you know what I mean. 0:18:47.200 --> 0:18:49.040 Like we were living on couches and you know we're 0:18:49.080 --> 0:18:51.439 literally crashing on our friend's couch when we first started 0:18:51.440 --> 0:18:54.040 making the show, right, you know, now it's quite a 0:18:54.080 --> 0:18:55.760 bit more. Yes, good tray out of bed. 0:18:55.760 --> 0:18:57.040 Is you know, it's not going to get out of 0:18:57.080 --> 0:18:58.800 bed for like you know, Well, the savviest deal you 0:18:58.840 --> 0:19:00.439 ever did was you got fifty per cent of your 0:19:00.440 --> 0:19:01.000 digital rights. 0:19:01.000 --> 0:19:03.040 That yeah, yeah, no, that was a good That was 0:19:03.040 --> 0:19:06.000 a good idea and uh so that turned out to 0:19:06.000 --> 0:19:07.480 be a good idea. 0:19:09.160 --> 0:19:11.600 The company where you've been home for the I mean 0:19:11.640 --> 0:19:13.479 since the sound of the part of South Parke's Paramount 0:19:13.520 --> 0:19:18.520 obviously had a rather bumpy year. What were you guys 0:19:18.600 --> 0:19:21.520 thinking during the sale process? Are you like reading the 0:19:21.560 --> 0:19:23.760 stories that my colleagues and up peers and I are 0:19:23.800 --> 0:19:27.440 writing that are you talking to people like what now? 0:19:28.000 --> 0:19:28.359 Of course? 0:19:28.400 --> 0:19:33.320 I mean yeah, I mean we uh you know what 0:19:33.400 --> 0:19:35.879 happened between those digital rights and between when we went 0:19:35.920 --> 0:19:37.840 and did Book a Mormon with our friend Bobby Lopez 0:19:38.280 --> 0:19:41.159 and just the way Broadway works, is we between that 0:19:41.200 --> 0:19:43.720