WEBVTT - Draft Show: Senior Bowl Review & Standouts 0:00:05.240 --> 0:00:10.320 He's the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Showboys on the 0:00:10.520 --> 0:00:14.160 your war room for incenter news and draft analysis from 0:00:14.240 --> 0:00:17.680 deep within the confines of Cowboys headquarters at the Star 0:00:17.760 --> 0:00:23.440 in Frescool, Dallas Cowboys Selectie Elliot and now your hosts 0:00:23.560 --> 0:00:28.640 Dane Brugler, David Hellman and Brian brought us. Well, welcome 0:00:28.640 --> 0:00:32.600 to the Draft Show. We're back from Mobile, Alabama after 0:00:32.680 --> 0:00:37.200 a really an outstanding week of evaluation, investigation, all those 0:00:37.240 --> 0:00:41.640 good things Brian brought us with Dame Brugler, David Hellman, gentleman, 0:00:41.680 --> 0:00:44.879 welcome back to the SWBC Mortgage Studios. Good to be here. 0:00:44.920 --> 0:00:48.040 Another mobile trip in the books. I'll tell you what, man, 0:00:48.120 --> 0:00:50.280 that was a good week, great week. I enjoyed that. 0:00:50.880 --> 0:00:55.560 I enjoy being around guys practicing and stuff like that. Coaches, 0:00:55.720 --> 0:00:57.600 you know, you kind of we kind of get it 0:00:57.640 --> 0:00:59.920 down to a science. After like five years of doing it, 0:01:00.240 --> 0:01:03.280 you know, yeah every year, you know, yeah, we're set 0:01:03.320 --> 0:01:05.039 up in a suite this year doing the show and 0:01:05.080 --> 0:01:08.120 say like that back if somebody's Winnebago, you know, we've 0:01:08.120 --> 0:01:10.000 we've come a long way, come a long way from 0:01:10.040 --> 0:01:12.959 the Winnebago in the parking lot at lad Peebles. Those 0:01:13.000 --> 0:01:15.280 was good old days. That was kind of fun. I 0:01:15.400 --> 0:01:17.640 like it. I liked it the way it was last week. Yeah, 0:01:18.080 --> 0:01:20.360 I'll tell you what. It was good and I appreciate that, 0:01:20.400 --> 0:01:23.039 and I appreciate everybody falling along with us oh that 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:25.560 week and then being back with the day. Kit Garrison 0:01:25.600 --> 0:01:30.480 is executive producing this broadcast today. I want to get 0:01:30.520 --> 0:01:34.520 into putting a bow on this Senior Bowl stuff, and David, 0:01:34.600 --> 0:01:39.280 I think you have a few questions that you want 0:01:39.280 --> 0:01:42.360 to get into that maybe we can discuss. I like 0:01:42.520 --> 0:01:45.319 when you bring stuff to the table, and well, wevee 0:01:45.319 --> 0:01:47.480 this opportunity to do that. We kind of talked about 0:01:47.480 --> 0:01:51.000 this last week, which is just for a variety of circumstances. 0:01:51.120 --> 0:01:53.559 I don't think I've ever watched less of the Senior 0:01:53.560 --> 0:01:56.600 Bowl practices than I did. Because you're hunting Jerry and Steven. Yeah, 0:01:56.640 --> 0:01:58.960 you know, the Cowboys are trying to make like fifteen 0:01:59.000 --> 0:02:02.760 different coaching high and Jerry and Stephen Jones both make 0:02:02.840 --> 0:02:06.840 themselves available for interviews. It creates quite a stressful environment 0:02:07.000 --> 0:02:09.800 for a Cowboys beat writer. So I didn't get to 0:02:09.800 --> 0:02:12.360 focus as much as you guys did. So, you know, 0:02:12.520 --> 0:02:14.120 rather than just try to talk out of my butt. 0:02:14.160 --> 0:02:16.520 I figured i'd just ask you guys what you thought 0:02:16.600 --> 0:02:18.639 about what you saw got you if we can get 0:02:18.639 --> 0:02:21.160 into the game a little bit too, you know, that 0:02:21.160 --> 0:02:24.080 would probably help us tie this thing up. But so 0:02:24.080 --> 0:02:26.560 so what we got three practices and a game. Yeah, 0:02:27.120 --> 0:02:29.640 I want to know from both of y'all. You know, 0:02:31.320 --> 0:02:33.200 we both I want you both to answer. So let's 0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:36.000 not let's not read a book on this. No, Nah, 0:02:36.880 --> 0:02:39.320 who's a guy that you that you thought looked better 0:02:39.440 --> 0:02:42.040 live than when you watched him on tape heading into this? 0:02:43.400 --> 0:02:45.960 Who do you got? Go ahead, I'll let you roll 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:47.919 first on this one. Uh yeah. I think every year 0:02:47.960 --> 0:02:50.080 with these All Star games, there are certain players that 0:02:50.160 --> 0:02:52.000 make you go back to the tape and say, Okay, 0:02:52.000 --> 0:02:54.080 what did I miss or you know, what's going on 0:02:54.080 --> 0:02:55.839 with this player that maybe I just watched the wrong 0:02:55.880 --> 0:02:58.359 games and I just need to watch more. Yeah, um, 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:04.040 I think for me, I would go with the Hawaii 0:03:04.160 --> 0:03:07.359 safety Trayvon Henderson, who I thought I had a great 0:03:07.360 --> 0:03:11.240 week in practice. In the game, looked comfortable in reverse 0:03:11.720 --> 0:03:13.919 out of his break, speaking plays on the ball, found 0:03:13.919 --> 0:03:18.440 the ball located well, tackled well, and I had questions 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:23.320 about him finishing in space on tape, some wasted movements, 0:03:24.040 --> 0:03:26.359 which expected for a safety, but I thought he played 0:03:26.520 --> 0:03:29.240 much better than I expected during the practice and then 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:33.239 followed up in the game. Harrison Phillips, defensive tackle, Stanford, 0:03:33.360 --> 0:03:36.080 you were killing that guy at the start of last week. Absolutely, 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:38.480 I was there, you go, shrum player. Yeah. I don't 0:03:38.480 --> 0:03:40.600 know if he's a first front player, but I will 0:03:40.640 --> 0:03:44.480 say this though his tape, his live look is better 0:03:44.520 --> 0:03:47.720 than what his tape is in my opinion. I mean, 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:51.640 I saw a guy it struggled at times, being on 0:03:51.680 --> 0:03:55.440 the ground and getting washed and stuff like that, but 0:03:55.560 --> 0:03:58.600 he's an effective player inside, you know, and I could 0:03:58.640 --> 0:04:01.280 see someone making him an was tackle and him being 0:04:01.280 --> 0:04:04.120 good at it. I did. I killed the guy that 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:06.960 Stanford tape. I didn't understand what you were looking at. 0:04:07.600 --> 0:04:09.320 I really didn't. And the guy had one hundred and 0:04:09.360 --> 0:04:13.720 three tackles. That hundred in three. Yeah, the next best 0:04:13.800 --> 0:04:17.599 defensive tackle or interior defensive lineman had seventy three and 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:19.840 that was At Oliver from Houston, going to be a 0:04:20.160 --> 0:04:23.039 top five pick next year. Forty tackles is pretty good 0:04:23.040 --> 0:04:27.760 for a defensive tackle, right right. Yeah, my live look 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:30.280 at him and how he plays with leverage and stuff. 0:04:30.640 --> 0:04:33.559 Is that was better than what I saw on tape. 0:04:33.600 --> 0:04:36.480 And you see the wrestling background, you see the instincts. 0:04:36.520 --> 0:04:39.120 He's very smart, like he understands where what the offense 0:04:39.200 --> 0:04:40.560 is trying to do, where the ball is going to 0:04:40.600 --> 0:04:43.920 be right. So he's a right place, right time kind 0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:46.400 of guy. So I think that definitely helps it there. 0:04:46.440 --> 0:04:47.880 I agree with you. There are times where he is 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:49.960 on the ground, there are times gets washed, and yeah, 0:04:50.040 --> 0:04:54.480 especially against doubles, so he's not maybe that traditional knows 0:04:54.560 --> 0:04:56.400 that everyone's going to be looking for, but he can 0:04:56.440 --> 0:04:59.640 be an effective player inside. Who is a guy that 0:04:59.680 --> 0:05:02.480 you felt good about going into Senior Bowl week that 0:05:02.520 --> 0:05:06.400 you're kind of concerned about now Brian O'Neill tackle pit. 0:05:06.640 --> 0:05:09.640 I think we're the same one. Yeah, yeah, I do. 0:05:09.839 --> 0:05:12.160 I have concerns about him now. I thought it was 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:14.160 going to be a thing. I know. I compared him 0:05:14.279 --> 0:05:17.440 to some guys like Nate Solder who's playing in the 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:21.280 Super Bowl. This, David Baktiar that with the Green Bay Packers, 0:05:21.600 --> 0:05:26.400 kind of a light guy athlete. Tape is actually pretty good, 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:31.040 but you watch him play when people get him off balance, 0:05:31.880 --> 0:05:34.520 it is a big, big, struggle for him. I just 0:05:34.560 --> 0:05:36.400 didn't feel like, in again, the strength that will be 0:05:36.400 --> 0:05:39.000 a problem. But I thought his athletic ability always would 0:05:39.040 --> 0:05:42.080 save him. Boy, but he was not as good as 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:45.359 he needed to be in these practices and men in 0:05:45.400 --> 0:05:48.520 the game, he gave up a sack. So I was 0:05:49.320 --> 0:05:51.360 I was a little high on him. Excuse me, not 0:05:51.400 --> 0:05:52.920 a little high. I was a lot high on him. 0:05:52.960 --> 0:05:55.040 You were pretty high. And so now I need to 0:05:55.320 --> 0:05:58.240 kind of maybe go back and study that a little more. 0:05:58.480 --> 0:06:00.440 I think we saw a guy who's a very athlete. 0:06:00.440 --> 0:06:02.320 I mean, this is a former tight end who didn't 0:06:02.320 --> 0:06:04.400 make the move the tackle until his red shirt freshman 0:06:04.440 --> 0:06:07.400 year at pit So he's still relatively young at the 0:06:07.440 --> 0:06:09.920 position of offensive tackles, and he still has a ways 0:06:09.920 --> 0:06:12.320 to go. But once he goes to the combine and 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:15.039 runs a four to nine and performs well, you know, 0:06:15.120 --> 0:06:18.120 in the explosion drills and the leaping drills, I think 0:06:18.160 --> 0:06:22.120 that his draft stock will still be somewhere mid second day. 0:06:22.760 --> 0:06:25.440 But you saw it in this week that there are 0:06:25.920 --> 0:06:28.480 plenty of issues that he needs to work on before 0:06:28.520 --> 0:06:30.839 he's ready to take NFL snaps. Yeah, I agree. I 0:06:30.839 --> 0:06:32.440 think one more that I would point out would be 0:06:32.960 --> 0:06:35.640 Jalil Scott, my guy from New Mexico State, who I 0:06:35.680 --> 0:06:38.640 like a lot. Yeah, but when you're that size, you know, 0:06:38.680 --> 0:06:43.960 you're six six or six five, Yeah, you better come 0:06:44.000 --> 0:06:46.320 down with contested catches. And I don't think I saw 0:06:46.360 --> 0:06:48.440 that he struggled in those areas. You know, he's just 0:06:48.480 --> 0:06:51.279 not a powerful guy. He loses focus when there's a 0:06:51.320 --> 0:06:53.880 defender on his back. When you have a huge catch 0:06:53.960 --> 0:06:57.680 radius like he does, right, you need to uh, you 0:06:57.720 --> 0:06:59.760 need to come down with those contested grabs. And he 0:06:59.839 --> 0:07:02.440 just didn't do that enough. So you know, it wasn't 0:07:02.520 --> 0:07:05.120 what I expected from him this week. He has a 0:07:05.160 --> 0:07:07.320 lot of talent, but in order for him to reach 0:07:07.360 --> 0:07:09.360 its potential, not only on draft day, but once he 0:07:09.360 --> 0:07:11.800 gets to the NFL, he needs to show he needs 0:07:11.800 --> 0:07:14.480 a bulk up, add more strength, and just be a 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:20.160 better focused player in those situations. Absolutely terrified of that guy. 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:22.440 A lot of good tight ends in this game. Yeah, 0:07:22.600 --> 0:07:24.920 Fortunately it didn't get to see as much of Dallas 0:07:25.080 --> 0:07:28.320 Goddard as we probably would have. Sure he exited pretty early. Yeah, 0:07:28.400 --> 0:07:32.320 hamstring problem there, but and I mean throw him in 0:07:32.360 --> 0:07:34.240 there if you still you know, if you still want to. 0:07:34.320 --> 0:07:36.600 But of all the tight ends. You saw who impressed 0:07:36.600 --> 0:07:39.600 you the most. I think there are several different directions 0:07:39.680 --> 0:07:42.200 we could go here, because I thought all of the 0:07:42.200 --> 0:07:45.400 tight ends impressed me. At some point I thought this 0:07:45.560 --> 0:07:48.720 is the most complete position unit at the Senior Bowl 0:07:49.000 --> 0:07:51.600 in terms of talent across the board we mentioned Goddard 0:07:51.760 --> 0:07:54.760 Ian Thomas from Indiana had his moments. Mike Kiseki had 0:07:54.800 --> 0:07:57.480 a good week. He has those long legs and when 0:07:57.520 --> 0:07:59.920 he's clean in his routes and he doesn't get tied up, 0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:03.040 he makes him impressive catches down the field. He blocked 0:08:03.080 --> 0:08:05.920 better in practice than he did at Penn State. Yeah, 0:08:06.120 --> 0:08:08.000 I mean it. Usually you see him and he's kind 0:08:08.000 --> 0:08:10.280 of getting ragged all a little bit and thrown around 0:08:10.280 --> 0:08:12.720 and doesn't play with power. Been killing him for the 0:08:12.800 --> 0:08:16.480 last month. Oh yeah, he can be a mismatch weapon. 0:08:16.600 --> 0:08:18.440 He can't. I mean now you watch him playing the 0:08:18.480 --> 0:08:22.440 red zone. Absolutely, Yeah. He has a feel for a 0:08:22.560 --> 0:08:24.480 tall guy. He has a field for how to play 0:08:24.480 --> 0:08:26.640 in space. Penn State was so tough to defend in 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:30.000 the red zone because of all the run pass options 0:08:30.000 --> 0:08:33.760 they had designed for Berkley and Gasecki's kind of picked 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:36.440 your poison and yeah, Penn State figured out a way 0:08:36.920 --> 0:08:39.200 to beat defenses in the red zone. With those two guys, 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:41.000 I would just a smart way of using your talent. 0:08:41.240 --> 0:08:43.280 I'm Derham Smith for Notre Dame and guy had to 0:08:43.280 --> 0:08:46.000 talk about I gave him a third round grade based 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:47.920 on tape off tape, and I thought he lived up 0:08:47.920 --> 0:08:49.680 to that because he's not gonna vow you in any 0:08:49.880 --> 0:08:53.240 one area. But he's got good route quickness, he catches 0:08:53.240 --> 0:08:56.120 the ball in traffic. He's a very good blocker, just 0:08:56.200 --> 0:08:58.160 a well rounded tight end who I think him play 0:08:58.160 --> 0:09:02.360 in this league for a long time. George Aikins UCF 0:09:02.720 --> 0:09:04.640 is another one you need to keep an eye on. Okay, 0:09:04.679 --> 0:09:08.240 he's a good athlete. And Tyler Conklin, yeah, Central Michigan. 0:09:08.640 --> 0:09:10.800 I thought he you know, coming from the MAC. I 0:09:10.880 --> 0:09:13.120 see that's if you're a Cowboy fan and you're thinking 0:09:13.120 --> 0:09:15.960 about tight ends, because I got into Twitter discussion with 0:09:16.000 --> 0:09:20.200 some folks this morning about Jason Witten and if you know, 0:09:20.320 --> 0:09:22.280 if that's what you want to do, if that's a route, 0:09:22.559 --> 0:09:25.840 this draft looks like it's got guys at all levels 0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:27.920 that you could grab. You can get a fu mcgalley 0:09:27.960 --> 0:09:30.040 in the fourth round from Wisconsin yeah, and that's a 0:09:30.080 --> 0:09:32.120 guy that's not a great athlete, not the biggest guy, 0:09:32.160 --> 0:09:34.840 but mine Wisconsin Twitter on right now you do I 0:09:34.880 --> 0:09:41.560 like it? But great route runner and you's the football Yeah. Yeah. Uh. 0:09:41.559 --> 0:09:44.040 This is an interesting one which I'm curious for y'all's 0:09:44.080 --> 0:09:47.040 take because I can't I can't come to a consensus 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:49.559 opinion looking at Twitter and everything else about this. But 0:09:49.840 --> 0:09:52.440 who do you think help themselves more between Baker Mayfield 0:09:52.480 --> 0:09:55.280 and Josh Allen? And the reason the reason I bring 0:09:55.360 --> 0:09:57.760 that up is, you know, you look at Twitter and yeah, 0:09:58.040 --> 0:10:01.640 media types they were killing Josh. They have very strong opinions. 0:10:01.720 --> 0:10:04.680 And then you know, thanks to the privileges of our job, 0:10:04.760 --> 0:10:07.120 you have a chance to go talk to some scouting 0:10:07.160 --> 0:10:11.080 types and they're like, uh no, Josh Allen is the man. Yeah, 0:10:11.160 --> 0:10:15.720 so you tell me, I could make an argument for both, 0:10:15.760 --> 0:10:18.000 for either one of them. I mean, Baker came and 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:20.160 I think he did exactly what he needed to do, 0:10:20.600 --> 0:10:24.600 showing off you know, the snap arm arm strength, set 0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:27.880 up quickness is really impressive. Oh, from the snap to 0:10:28.040 --> 0:10:30.640 the way to the to the way it leaves his arm. 0:10:31.160 --> 0:10:33.680 So it's all quick, absolutely so, and he's able to 0:10:33.679 --> 0:10:37.440 generate that velocity from that that quickness, that snap and 0:10:37.559 --> 0:10:40.040 his ball placement. It's what we saw at Oklahoma. I mean, 0:10:40.080 --> 0:10:44.360 the seventy completion percentage. It's more than just offense that 0:10:44.400 --> 0:10:47.320 he ran in Oklahoma. It's a very accurate pastor. He 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:50.800 can anticipate those passing windows and he delivers. We saw 0:10:50.880 --> 0:10:53.599 him use his legs, his movement, and he started a 0:10:53.640 --> 0:10:56.160 little slow, but towards the end of the practice each 0:10:56.240 --> 0:10:57.640 day I thought he got better and better. And then 0:10:57.720 --> 0:10:59.679 Josh Allen, you know, we saw what he did during 0:10:59.720 --> 0:11:02.120 the game. That was he started a little bit slow, 0:11:02.160 --> 0:11:04.199 but came out in the second half and was fantastic. 0:11:05.080 --> 0:11:08.280 What you really like to see was instead of just fastball, 0:11:08.320 --> 0:11:11.560 fastball fastball, those two touchdowns that he threw in the game, 0:11:11.840 --> 0:11:15.560 beautiful touch right. He lofted it over the defender right 0:11:15.559 --> 0:11:18.080 into the arms. Didn't make the receiver work for it 0:11:18.160 --> 0:11:20.839 at all. So, you know, and during the week of 0:11:20.880 --> 0:11:24.679 practice he got better each game. And so again on tape, Yeah, 0:11:24.720 --> 0:11:29.280 there's plenty to dig him on with the inaccuracy and 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:32.400 just the body rhythms off. But you see that he 0:11:32.480 --> 0:11:35.439 has talent, and you know, it's just it's a question 0:11:35.480 --> 0:11:37.600 of potential and if he's going to reach that. And 0:11:37.679 --> 0:11:39.920 during the Senior Bowl he didn't hurt himself because he 0:11:40.440 --> 0:11:42.960 took NFL coaching. He got better with each day, and 0:11:43.000 --> 0:11:45.920 I certainly understand why some people are excited to see 0:11:46.000 --> 0:11:48.760 him as he develops day by day. Once against the NFL, 0:11:48.880 --> 0:11:52.080 his arm talent's rare. It is, it's rare when he 0:11:52.200 --> 0:11:55.319 makes defensive backs struggle to have to defend him. When 0:11:55.320 --> 0:11:57.840 he is accurate. Again, that's going to be the question. 0:11:57.920 --> 0:12:01.200 Can you get him accurate? But he he you you 0:12:01.360 --> 0:12:04.280 have to be on your game when he's throwing the 0:12:04.280 --> 0:12:07.160 ball well, and I'm talking about as a defender, because 0:12:07.200 --> 0:12:10.840 the ball is it's by you. Yeah, I mean you're 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:13.280 trying to swat. I mean there were times where the 0:12:13.480 --> 0:12:15.360 defenders were trying to get to the ball and they 0:12:15.360 --> 0:12:17.000 couldn't do it because it was on the it was 0:12:17.080 --> 0:12:19.640 on the receiver before they had a chance to react. 0:12:19.720 --> 0:12:22.480 And also in the pocket. He's a big body, dude. 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:25.200 You saw defenders. I mean it's kind of like you 0:12:25.200 --> 0:12:27.880 know a Cam Newton where you know you can make 0:12:27.920 --> 0:12:29.800 contact with him. He's not gonna go He's not gonna 0:12:29.840 --> 0:12:32.440 just fall over. I wish I wish that that he 0:12:32.520 --> 0:12:35.040 had to set up quickness though, I wish he had 0:12:35.080 --> 0:12:38.720 to set up quickness though. Of Baker Mayfield, Well, I mean, 0:12:38.720 --> 0:12:41.800 I know, I'm just saying, I mean, mails no, but 0:12:41.880 --> 0:12:45.480 I'm just saying, I mean, to me, it's very deliberate. Yeah, 0:12:45.520 --> 0:12:48.120 it's very deliberate. And the armed talent makes up for 0:12:48.160 --> 0:12:51.800 how deliberate he is setting up. I just I mean, 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:54.200 I already said my piece on this, but you know, 0:12:54.280 --> 0:12:56.240 talking to people who know a lot more about football 0:12:56.240 --> 0:12:58.840 than I do, who are convinced that that you can 0:12:59.000 --> 0:13:01.600 make it, you know, h Allen, will you know reach 0:13:01.640 --> 0:13:06.160 that potential? I just twenty how many attempts did he 0:13:06.200 --> 0:13:10.840 have on Saturday? Fifteen? Thirteen attempts? Like, do you trust 0:13:10.880 --> 0:13:14.480 thirteen attempts against base defenses and minimal blitzing? Or did 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:17.960 that trust six hundred attempts in the Mountain West where? 0:13:18.080 --> 0:13:21.360 Oh sure, that's I mean, I just I just think 0:13:21.440 --> 0:13:24.520 that if you look at though, I think Dan's try. 0:13:24.600 --> 0:13:28.000 I think both guys helped themselves a certain way. I 0:13:28.000 --> 0:13:29.920 went into this, but I mean, yeah, you could have 0:13:29.960 --> 0:13:32.280 gone out there, he could have gone there in big time. 0:13:32.640 --> 0:13:35.240 Everybody would have really buried him. He missed him throws 0:13:35.280 --> 0:13:38.920 during the game, you're throws in practice. Your point is 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:41.559 absolutely valid. Oh, he missed plenty of Your point is 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:46.720 absolute valid. About the game being scheme, there's no blazes, 0:13:46.800 --> 0:13:49.280 no pressures. Don't worry about that. At the same time, 0:13:49.320 --> 0:13:52.240 he made rosy and he deserves credit for that. I 0:13:52.240 --> 0:13:54.360 don't think I absolutely agree. I really don't think that 0:13:54.440 --> 0:13:58.199 Senior Bowl moved the needle for either of these guys. 0:13:58.320 --> 0:14:00.480 I think I like, I don't think I went into 0:14:00.880 --> 0:14:05.840 Senior Bowl not not loving Josh Allen. I don't think 0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:08.680 you all of a sudden like him. Now. I'm glad 0:14:08.720 --> 0:14:12.880 that both guys, along with the other quarterbacks. That has 0:14:12.920 --> 0:14:15.480 to be the most nerve racking week for players to 0:14:15.520 --> 0:14:20.960 have to go through with every rep is evaluated, every snap, 0:14:21.080 --> 0:14:25.600 every misstep, every jump off, sides, every pass interference, everything 0:14:25.640 --> 0:14:29.160 you have is just totally evaluated. And the quarterbacks and 0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:32.200 the quarterbacks, Yeah, I just I thought they got better. 0:14:32.400 --> 0:14:34.840 I at the quarterbacks as a group got better as 0:14:34.880 --> 0:14:36.880 the week war on. I was a group. I went 0:14:36.920 --> 0:14:39.720 into it not wanting to take either one of them 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:42.920 seriously as like a first round pick. But I think 0:14:42.960 --> 0:14:46.000 you have to after and I'm not saying that they weren't. 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:49.480 That's just my attitude. I don't, you know, it's like, okay, whatever, 0:14:49.680 --> 0:14:51.640 but you can't. I don't. I don't think you can 0:14:51.680 --> 0:14:53.320 do that. Having watched the way they played, I think 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:56.120 it's it's tough to envision a scenario where both aren't 0:14:56.240 --> 0:14:59.280 off the board in the top fifteen. Yeah, yeah, I 0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:02.000 think I agree with that, which is good for Cowboys fans. Yep. 0:15:02.240 --> 0:15:04.520 I was gonna say. My main impression is that I'm 0:15:04.560 --> 0:15:06.840 glad that this team doesn't have to be the one 0:15:06.920 --> 0:15:10.440 that makes takes a chance on he throw. Sure, who 0:15:10.480 --> 0:15:14.520 was y'all standout wide receiver which have fun? There's no 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:17.680 shortage of options to choose for him? Uh you know? Yeah, 0:15:17.720 --> 0:15:20.200 we could talk about DJ Chark from LSU, who had 0:15:20.200 --> 0:15:23.200 more yards in the game than he ever did. Yeah, 0:15:23.880 --> 0:15:25.960 but when he had that speed, you know, it's kind 0:15:25.960 --> 0:15:28.040 of like Will Fuller from Notre Dame. You know, so 0:15:28.160 --> 0:15:30.320 inconsistent Notre Dame. But when you could take the top 0:15:30.320 --> 0:15:32.280 off a defense like that, you're gonna go high. I 0:15:32.280 --> 0:15:34.440 don't think DJ Chark's the first round player. No, I 0:15:34.440 --> 0:15:36.960 don't Will Fuller, but I wouldn't be shocked if you 0:15:37.000 --> 0:15:39.480 want the second round. Yeah, you know, I wouldn't be 0:15:39.520 --> 0:15:41.960 shocked at all. See you're talking to two guys that 0:15:42.040 --> 0:15:45.760 watched him play every week, and we the word heartbreak 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:48.000 is what I always think about with him. Yeah, I 0:15:48.080 --> 0:15:50.680 think about some incredible plays and then I think about 0:15:50.720 --> 0:15:53.320 the ones like why did he not? The Alabama game 0:15:53.400 --> 0:15:55.800 comes to mind. I think I said this last week, 0:15:55.880 --> 0:15:59.200 like I think of Bryce Butler when I watched DJ Chark, 0:15:59.280 --> 0:16:03.720 Like there's under niable game breaking ability and speed and 0:16:03.800 --> 0:16:05.920 he'll get behind the defense or he'll take an end 0:16:05.960 --> 0:16:08.120 to round and next thing you know, he's twenty yards 0:16:08.120 --> 0:16:12.280 down field after what seems like four steps. But I 0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:15.479 just it's not consistent enough for me to think Washington 0:16:15.800 --> 0:16:18.480 from Oklahoma State really helped himself. He was the best 0:16:18.480 --> 0:16:20.920 wide receiver down there. There's no question in my mind 0:16:20.920 --> 0:16:24.560 about that. And then Hamilton helped himself to Hamilton, Yeah, 0:16:24.600 --> 0:16:27.680 from Penn State. I mean people probably at hitting probably 0:16:27.680 --> 0:16:29.440 people probably had him in the fourth round, maybe a 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:31.880 third round guy, maybe fifth round guy. Now fourth round 0:16:32.000 --> 0:16:34.080 I had him as a four or five, and now 0:16:34.120 --> 0:16:36.960 I'm thinking more four, solid, solid four here guy. I 0:16:36.960 --> 0:16:38.760 still don't think he's a top one hundred guy, you know, 0:16:38.800 --> 0:16:41.080 because he's probably gonna run a four or five six. Same. 0:16:41.160 --> 0:16:42.960 He's not a big guy, not a fast guy. The 0:16:43.120 --> 0:16:47.400 drops bothered me. But as a route runner, very clean. 0:16:47.560 --> 0:16:50.160 He understands how did he get defenders off balance? He 0:16:50.160 --> 0:16:52.840 can create his own space and that's valuable. So I 0:16:52.880 --> 0:16:56.120 think solid four. So he did help himself. But James Washington, 0:16:56.320 --> 0:16:59.720 the releases the route running, he beat defenders with more 0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:02.120 than just speed. Yeah, you could see that on the 0:17:02.120 --> 0:17:04.840 practice tape right and you saw progress, you know, and 0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:07.359 that's what that's what you're asking for. That's exactly what 0:17:07.359 --> 0:17:11.000 you're asking for. I'm gonna remember Hamilton years from now. 0:17:11.320 --> 0:17:13.280 Like you know, people pull out of the Senior Bowl 0:17:13.320 --> 0:17:15.840 and like the old the Senior Bowls dumb like nobody 0:17:15.960 --> 0:17:18.120 except for the Danes of the world. I mean, he's 0:17:18.160 --> 0:17:20.199 the all time leading receiver and Pence they hit. I know, 0:17:20.320 --> 0:17:22.280 like people know who he is. But like in terms 0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:25.640 of the draft, he was not a name whatsoever. When 0:17:25.640 --> 0:17:28.080 he was a late call up, you know he was Yeah, 0:17:27.680 --> 0:17:31.480 and he he's got it built momentum. He wanted to compete. 0:17:31.480 --> 0:17:34.240 He wanted to and I know there's a chance you 0:17:34.240 --> 0:17:36.480 can get hurt, but you can really only help yourself, 0:17:36.520 --> 0:17:37.919 in my opinion, when there were a few there were 0:17:37.960 --> 0:17:40.360 a few players who played at the Shrine and got 0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:42.639 the late call up and decided not to go to 0:17:42.640 --> 0:17:45.879 the Senior Bowl because they did a good week. This 0:17:46.200 --> 0:17:48.680 it's shrine. It's not the forty yard dash, Like, don't 0:17:48.760 --> 0:17:51.239 stand on your shrine game. Just go like even if 0:17:51.320 --> 0:17:53.080 you suck'd be like, well, he came out here and 0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:55.119 competed against the best. That So I think that I 0:17:55.119 --> 0:17:57.399 think that's the most impressive thing to scouts. When you 0:17:57.440 --> 0:18:00.480 show up in practice or run or whatever, stand on 0:18:00.560 --> 0:18:03.320 your forty If you run a four three three, stand 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:06.080 on that and don't run an again. Everybody understands that. Yeah, 0:18:06.240 --> 0:18:08.760 don't stand on a good week of practice. Go put 0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:14.520 more good days of practice together. Yeah. Um better, Oh god, 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:18.440 these these are the names better, better potential outside linebacker 0:18:18.560 --> 0:18:21.240 rush rush guy, the guy from USC or the guy 0:18:21.240 --> 0:18:24.680 from Oklahoma. Those are that don't make me, says Quo. 0:18:25.880 --> 0:18:35.440 Sue is easier in oakraw wonk girl close. That's it's 0:18:35.440 --> 0:18:38.440 gonna take a while. That's way harder than I think 0:18:38.480 --> 0:18:40.280 he's got the I think he's the one that I 0:18:40.359 --> 0:18:44.280 liked the best. I really do owe you. Oh you okay, absolutely, 0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:47.400 he's he's got he's got the what the thirty five 0:18:47.400 --> 0:18:50.880 inch arms? Yeah? Yeah, not bad, that's what you're looking for. 0:18:51.160 --> 0:18:53.920 I'll tell you what though. Let me I think if 0:18:53.920 --> 0:18:56.040 you use him as an outside linebacker, like I say, 0:18:56.080 --> 0:18:58.879 as a maybe a sam linebacker, but also let him 0:18:58.920 --> 0:19:02.400 rush in the nickel. See I'm not I'm not there 0:19:02.440 --> 0:19:06.600 with you. Okay, you're gonna take USC. It depends if 0:19:06.600 --> 0:19:08.919 I'm gonna If I need a linebacker, I'm taking USC 0:19:09.160 --> 0:19:11.520 because I like him better dropping. I like him better 0:19:11.560 --> 0:19:13.840 in space, then I like, ok If I need a 0:19:13.880 --> 0:19:16.520 guy to get up field, I'm taking okron Quo. Yeah. So, 0:19:16.880 --> 0:19:18.879 but that's what I'm saying. I think that you're talking 0:19:18.920 --> 0:19:21.840 about how could who who could affect the game? They 0:19:21.840 --> 0:19:24.680 affect the game dropping or rushing. To me, okron Quo 0:19:24.760 --> 0:19:27.439 is a defensive end. I don't see. I know he's 0:19:27.480 --> 0:19:31.479 he's shorter, but he has length and I like his 0:19:31.480 --> 0:19:34.160 ability to get up field. So to me, I don't 0:19:34.200 --> 0:19:36.040 want okron Quo to drop. I want him to get 0:19:36.080 --> 0:19:38.280 up field. Oh may I'm with you on that rush Yeah, 0:19:38.440 --> 0:19:41.560 give me rush? Yeah exactly so is he. I'm sorry, 0:19:41.680 --> 0:19:44.520 he's a comparable height to carl Awston, is he not? 0:19:45.240 --> 0:19:48.520 He's yeah, I mean six I think Carlson was six 0:19:48.560 --> 0:19:51.760 o one six maybe, yeah, it sounds about right. And 0:19:51.840 --> 0:19:54.359 what's like six one six? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I'm just 0:19:54.400 --> 0:19:56.600 throwing it like he's not. He's got I mean, he 0:19:56.600 --> 0:19:59.679 can do it, especially with his arms right, do it right? Okay, 0:19:59.680 --> 0:20:01.480