Speaker 1: He's the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Showboys on the
Speaker 1: your war room for incenter news and draft analysis from
Speaker 1: deep within the confines of Cowboys headquarters at the Star
Speaker 1: in Frescool, Dallas Cowboys Selectie Elliot and now your hosts
Speaker 1: Dane Brugler, David Hellman and Brian brought us. Well, welcome
Speaker 1: to the Draft Show. We're back from Mobile, Alabama after
Speaker 1: a really an outstanding week of evaluation, investigation, all those
Speaker 1: good things Brian brought us with Dame Brugler, David Hellman, gentleman,
Speaker 1: welcome back to the SWBC Mortgage Studios. Good to be here.
Speaker 1: Another mobile trip in the books. I'll tell you what, man,
Speaker 1: that was a good week, great week. I enjoyed that.
Speaker 1: I enjoy being around guys practicing and stuff like that. Coaches,
Speaker 1: you know, you kind of we kind of get it
Speaker 1: down to a science. After like five years of doing it,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah every year, you know, yeah, we're set
Speaker 1: up in a suite this year doing the show and
Speaker 1: say like that back if somebody's Winnebago, you know, we've
Speaker 1: we've come a long way, come a long way from
Speaker 1: the Winnebago in the parking lot at lad Peebles. Those
Speaker 1: was good old days. That was kind of fun. I
Speaker 1: like it. I liked it the way it was last week. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. It was good and I appreciate that,
Speaker 1: and I appreciate everybody falling along with us oh that
Speaker 1: week and then being back with the day. Kit Garrison
Speaker 1: is executive producing this broadcast today. I want to get
Speaker 1: into putting a bow on this Senior Bowl stuff, and David,
Speaker 1: I think you have a few questions that you want
Speaker 1: to get into that maybe we can discuss. I like
Speaker 1: when you bring stuff to the table, and well, wevee
Speaker 1: this opportunity to do that. We kind of talked about
Speaker 1: this last week, which is just for a variety of circumstances.
Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever watched less of the Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl practices than I did. Because you're hunting Jerry and Steven. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, the Cowboys are trying to make like fifteen
Speaker 1: different coaching high and Jerry and Stephen Jones both make
Speaker 1: themselves available for interviews. It creates quite a stressful environment
Speaker 1: for a Cowboys beat writer. So I didn't get to
Speaker 1: focus as much as you guys did. So, you know,
Speaker 1: rather than just try to talk out of my butt.
Speaker 1: I figured i'd just ask you guys what you thought
Speaker 1: about what you saw got you if we can get
Speaker 1: into the game a little bit too, you know, that
Speaker 1: would probably help us tie this thing up. But so
Speaker 1: so what we got three practices and a game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to know from both of y'all. You know,
Speaker 1: we both I want you both to answer. So let's
Speaker 1: not let's not read a book on this. No, Nah,
Speaker 1: who's a guy that you that you thought looked better
Speaker 1: live than when you watched him on tape heading into this?
Speaker 1: Who do you got? Go ahead, I'll let you roll
Speaker 1: first on this one. Uh yeah. I think every year
Speaker 1: with these All Star games, there are certain players that
Speaker 1: make you go back to the tape and say, Okay,
Speaker 1: what did I miss or you know, what's going on
Speaker 1: with this player that maybe I just watched the wrong
Speaker 1: games and I just need to watch more. Yeah, um,
Speaker 1: I think for me, I would go with the Hawaii
Speaker 1: safety Trayvon Henderson, who I thought I had a great
Speaker 1: week in practice. In the game, looked comfortable in reverse
Speaker 1: out of his break, speaking plays on the ball, found
Speaker 1: the ball located well, tackled well, and I had questions
Speaker 1: about him finishing in space on tape, some wasted movements,
Speaker 1: which expected for a safety, but I thought he played
Speaker 1: much better than I expected during the practice and then
Speaker 1: followed up in the game. Harrison Phillips, defensive tackle, Stanford,
Speaker 1: you were killing that guy at the start of last week. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: I was there, you go, shrum player. Yeah. I don't
Speaker 1: know if he's a first front player, but I will
Speaker 1: say this though his tape, his live look is better
Speaker 1: than what his tape is in my opinion. I mean,
Speaker 1: I saw a guy it struggled at times, being on
Speaker 1: the ground and getting washed and stuff like that, but
Speaker 1: he's an effective player inside, you know, and I could
Speaker 1: see someone making him an was tackle and him being
Speaker 1: good at it. I did. I killed the guy that
Speaker 1: Stanford tape. I didn't understand what you were looking at.
Speaker 1: I really didn't. And the guy had one hundred and
Speaker 1: three tackles. That hundred in three. Yeah, the next best
Speaker 1: defensive tackle or interior defensive lineman had seventy three and
Speaker 1: that was At Oliver from Houston, going to be a
Speaker 1: top five pick next year. Forty tackles is pretty good
Speaker 1: for a defensive tackle, right right. Yeah, my live look
Speaker 1: at him and how he plays with leverage and stuff.
Speaker 1: Is that was better than what I saw on tape.
Speaker 1: And you see the wrestling background, you see the instincts.
Speaker 1: He's very smart, like he understands where what the offense
Speaker 1: is trying to do, where the ball is going to
Speaker 1: be right. So he's a right place, right time kind
Speaker 1: of guy. So I think that definitely helps it there.
Speaker 1: I agree with you. There are times where he is
Speaker 1: on the ground, there are times gets washed, and yeah,
Speaker 1: especially against doubles, so he's not maybe that traditional knows
Speaker 1: that everyone's going to be looking for, but he can
Speaker 1: be an effective player inside. Who is a guy that
Speaker 1: you felt good about going into Senior Bowl week that
Speaker 1: you're kind of concerned about now Brian O'Neill tackle pit.
Speaker 1: I think we're the same one. Yeah, yeah, I do.
Speaker 1: I have concerns about him now. I thought it was
Speaker 1: going to be a thing. I know. I compared him
Speaker 1: to some guys like Nate Solder who's playing in the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. This, David Baktiar that with the Green Bay Packers,
Speaker 1: kind of a light guy athlete. Tape is actually pretty good,
Speaker 1: but you watch him play when people get him off balance,
Speaker 1: it is a big, big, struggle for him. I just
Speaker 1: didn't feel like, in again, the strength that will be
Speaker 1: a problem. But I thought his athletic ability always would
Speaker 1: save him. Boy, but he was not as good as
Speaker 1: he needed to be in these practices and men in
Speaker 1: the game, he gave up a sack. So I was
Speaker 1: I was a little high on him. Excuse me, not
Speaker 1: a little high. I was a lot high on him.
Speaker 1: You were pretty high. And so now I need to
Speaker 1: kind of maybe go back and study that a little more.
Speaker 1: I think we saw a guy who's a very athlete.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a former tight end who didn't
Speaker 1: make the move the tackle until his red shirt freshman
Speaker 1: year at pit So he's still relatively young at the
Speaker 1: position of offensive tackles, and he still has a ways
Speaker 1: to go. But once he goes to the combine and
Speaker 1: runs a four to nine and performs well, you know,
Speaker 1: in the explosion drills and the leaping drills, I think
Speaker 1: that his draft stock will still be somewhere mid second day.
Speaker 1: But you saw it in this week that there are
Speaker 1: plenty of issues that he needs to work on before
Speaker 1: he's ready to take NFL snaps. Yeah, I agree. I
Speaker 1: think one more that I would point out would be
Speaker 1: Jalil Scott, my guy from New Mexico State, who I
Speaker 1: like a lot. Yeah, but when you're that size, you know,
Speaker 1: you're six six or six five, Yeah, you better come
Speaker 1: down with contested catches. And I don't think I saw
Speaker 1: that he struggled in those areas. You know, he's just
Speaker 1: not a powerful guy. He loses focus when there's a
Speaker 1: defender on his back. When you have a huge catch
Speaker 1: radius like he does, right, you need to uh, you
Speaker 1: need to come down with those contested grabs. And he
Speaker 1: just didn't do that enough. So you know, it wasn't
Speaker 1: what I expected from him this week. He has a
Speaker 1: lot of talent, but in order for him to reach
Speaker 1: its potential, not only on draft day, but once he
Speaker 1: gets to the NFL, he needs to show he needs
Speaker 1: a bulk up, add more strength, and just be a
Speaker 1: better focused player in those situations. Absolutely terrified of that guy.
Speaker 1: A lot of good tight ends in this game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Fortunately it didn't get to see as much of Dallas
Speaker 1: Goddard as we probably would have. Sure he exited pretty early. Yeah,
Speaker 1: hamstring problem there, but and I mean throw him in
Speaker 1: there if you still you know, if you still want to.
Speaker 1: But of all the tight ends. You saw who impressed
Speaker 1: you the most. I think there are several different directions
Speaker 1: we could go here, because I thought all of the
Speaker 1: tight ends impressed me. At some point I thought this
Speaker 1: is the most complete position unit at the Senior Bowl
Speaker 1: in terms of talent across the board we mentioned Goddard
Speaker 1: Ian Thomas from Indiana had his moments. Mike Kiseki had
Speaker 1: a good week. He has those long legs and when
Speaker 1: he's clean in his routes and he doesn't get tied up,
Speaker 1: he makes him impressive catches down the field. He blocked
Speaker 1: better in practice than he did at Penn State. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it. Usually you see him and he's kind
Speaker 1: of getting ragged all a little bit and thrown around
Speaker 1: and doesn't play with power. Been killing him for the
Speaker 1: last month. Oh yeah, he can be a mismatch weapon.
Speaker 1: He can't. I mean now you watch him playing the
Speaker 1: red zone. Absolutely, Yeah. He has a feel for a
Speaker 1: tall guy. He has a field for how to play
Speaker 1: in space. Penn State was so tough to defend in
Speaker 1: the red zone because of all the run pass options
Speaker 1: they had designed for Berkley and Gasecki's kind of picked
Speaker 1: your poison and yeah, Penn State figured out a way
Speaker 1: to beat defenses in the red zone. With those two guys,
Speaker 1: I would just a smart way of using your talent.
Speaker 1: I'm Derham Smith for Notre Dame and guy had to
Speaker 1: talk about I gave him a third round grade based
Speaker 1: on tape off tape, and I thought he lived up
Speaker 1: to that because he's not gonna vow you in any
Speaker 1: one area. But he's got good route quickness, he catches
Speaker 1: the ball in traffic. He's a very good blocker, just
Speaker 1: a well rounded tight end who I think him play
Speaker 1: in this league for a long time. George Aikins UCF
Speaker 1: is another one you need to keep an eye on. Okay,
Speaker 1: he's a good athlete. And Tyler Conklin, yeah, Central Michigan.
Speaker 1: I thought he you know, coming from the MAC. I
Speaker 1: see that's if you're a Cowboy fan and you're thinking
Speaker 1: about tight ends, because I got into Twitter discussion with
Speaker 1: some folks this morning about Jason Witten and if you know,
Speaker 1: if that's what you want to do, if that's a route,
Speaker 1: this draft looks like it's got guys at all levels
Speaker 1: that you could grab. You can get a fu mcgalley
Speaker 1: in the fourth round from Wisconsin yeah, and that's a
Speaker 1: guy that's not a great athlete, not the biggest guy,
Speaker 1: but mine Wisconsin Twitter on right now you do I
Speaker 1: like it? But great route runner and you's the football Yeah. Yeah. Uh.
Speaker 1: This is an interesting one which I'm curious for y'all's
Speaker 1: take because I can't I can't come to a consensus
Speaker 1: opinion looking at Twitter and everything else about this. But
Speaker 1: who do you think help themselves more between Baker Mayfield
Speaker 1: and Josh Allen? And the reason the reason I bring
Speaker 1: that up is, you know, you look at Twitter and yeah,
Speaker 1: media types they were killing Josh. They have very strong opinions.
Speaker 1: And then you know, thanks to the privileges of our job,
Speaker 1: you have a chance to go talk to some scouting
Speaker 1: types and they're like, uh no, Josh Allen is the man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you tell me, I could make an argument for both,
Speaker 1: for either one of them. I mean, Baker came and
Speaker 1: I think he did exactly what he needed to do,
Speaker 1: showing off you know, the snap arm arm strength, set
Speaker 1: up quickness is really impressive. Oh, from the snap to
Speaker 1: the way to the to the way it leaves his arm.
Speaker 1: So it's all quick, absolutely so, and he's able to
Speaker 1: generate that velocity from that that quickness, that snap and
Speaker 1: his ball placement. It's what we saw at Oklahoma. I mean,
Speaker 1: the seventy completion percentage. It's more than just offense that
Speaker 1: he ran in Oklahoma. It's a very accurate pastor. He
Speaker 1: can anticipate those passing windows and he delivers. We saw
Speaker 1: him use his legs, his movement, and he started a
Speaker 1: little slow, but towards the end of the practice each
Speaker 1: day I thought he got better and better. And then
Speaker 1: Josh Allen, you know, we saw what he did during
Speaker 1: the game. That was he started a little bit slow,
Speaker 1: but came out in the second half and was fantastic.
Speaker 1: What you really like to see was instead of just fastball,
Speaker 1: fastball fastball, those two touchdowns that he threw in the game,
Speaker 1: beautiful touch right. He lofted it over the defender right
Speaker 1: into the arms. Didn't make the receiver work for it
Speaker 1: at all. So, you know, and during the week of
Speaker 1: practice he got better each game. And so again on tape, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's plenty to dig him on with the inaccuracy and
Speaker 1: just the body rhythms off. But you see that he
Speaker 1: has talent, and you know, it's just it's a question
Speaker 1: of potential and if he's going to reach that. And
Speaker 1: during the Senior Bowl he didn't hurt himself because he
Speaker 1: took NFL coaching. He got better with each day, and
Speaker 1: I certainly understand why some people are excited to see
Speaker 1: him as he develops day by day. Once against the NFL,
Speaker 1: his arm talent's rare. It is, it's rare when he
Speaker 1: makes defensive backs struggle to have to defend him. When
Speaker 1: he is accurate. Again, that's going to be the question.
Speaker 1: Can you get him accurate? But he he you you
Speaker 1: have to be on your game when he's throwing the
Speaker 1: ball well, and I'm talking about as a defender, because
Speaker 1: the ball is it's by you. Yeah, I mean you're
Speaker 1: trying to swat. I mean there were times where the
Speaker 1: defenders were trying to get to the ball and they
Speaker 1: couldn't do it because it was on the it was
Speaker 1: on the receiver before they had a chance to react.
Speaker 1: And also in the pocket. He's a big body, dude.
Speaker 1: You saw defenders. I mean it's kind of like you
Speaker 1: know a Cam Newton where you know you can make
Speaker 1: contact with him. He's not gonna go He's not gonna
Speaker 1: just fall over. I wish I wish that that he
Speaker 1: had to set up quickness though, I wish he had
Speaker 1: to set up quickness though. Of Baker Mayfield, Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: I know, I'm just saying, I mean, mails no, but
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, I mean, to me, it's very deliberate. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's very deliberate. And the armed talent makes up for
Speaker 1: how deliberate he is setting up. I just I mean,
Speaker 1: I already said my piece on this, but you know,
Speaker 1: talking to people who know a lot more about football
Speaker 1: than I do, who are convinced that that you can
Speaker 1: make it, you know, h Allen, will you know reach
Speaker 1: that potential? I just twenty how many attempts did he
Speaker 1: have on Saturday? Fifteen? Thirteen attempts? Like, do you trust
Speaker 1: thirteen attempts against base defenses and minimal blitzing? Or did
Speaker 1: that trust six hundred attempts in the Mountain West where?
Speaker 1: Oh sure, that's I mean, I just I just think
Speaker 1: that if you look at though, I think Dan's try.
Speaker 1: I think both guys helped themselves a certain way. I
Speaker 1: went into this, but I mean, yeah, you could have
Speaker 1: gone out there, he could have gone there in big time.
Speaker 1: Everybody would have really buried him. He missed him throws
Speaker 1: during the game, you're throws in practice. Your point is
Speaker 1: absolutely valid. Oh, he missed plenty of Your point is
Speaker 1: absolute valid. About the game being scheme, there's no blazes,
Speaker 1: no pressures. Don't worry about that. At the same time,
Speaker 1: he made rosy and he deserves credit for that. I
Speaker 1: don't think I absolutely agree. I really don't think that
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl moved the needle for either of these guys.
Speaker 1: I think I like, I don't think I went into
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl not not loving Josh Allen. I don't think
Speaker 1: you all of a sudden like him. Now. I'm glad
Speaker 1: that both guys, along with the other quarterbacks. That has
Speaker 1: to be the most nerve racking week for players to
Speaker 1: have to go through with every rep is evaluated, every snap,
Speaker 1: every misstep, every jump off, sides, every pass interference, everything
Speaker 1: you have is just totally evaluated. And the quarterbacks and
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks, Yeah, I just I thought they got better.
Speaker 1: I at the quarterbacks as a group got better as
Speaker 1: the week war on. I was a group. I went
Speaker 1: into it not wanting to take either one of them
Speaker 1: seriously as like a first round pick. But I think
Speaker 1: you have to after and I'm not saying that they weren't.
Speaker 1: That's just my attitude. I don't, you know, it's like, okay, whatever,
Speaker 1: but you can't. I don't. I don't think you can
Speaker 1: do that. Having watched the way they played, I think
Speaker 1: it's it's tough to envision a scenario where both aren't
Speaker 1: off the board in the top fifteen. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: think I agree with that, which is good for Cowboys fans. Yep.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say. My main impression is that I'm
Speaker 1: glad that this team doesn't have to be the one
Speaker 1: that makes takes a chance on he throw. Sure, who
Speaker 1: was y'all standout wide receiver which have fun? There's no
Speaker 1: shortage of options to choose for him? Uh you know? Yeah,
Speaker 1: we could talk about DJ Chark from LSU, who had
Speaker 1: more yards in the game than he ever did. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but when he had that speed, you know, it's kind
Speaker 1: of like Will Fuller from Notre Dame. You know, so
Speaker 1: inconsistent Notre Dame. But when you could take the top
Speaker 1: off a defense like that, you're gonna go high. I
Speaker 1: don't think DJ Chark's the first round player. No, I
Speaker 1: don't Will Fuller, but I wouldn't be shocked if you
Speaker 1: want the second round. Yeah, you know, I wouldn't be
Speaker 1: shocked at all. See you're talking to two guys that
Speaker 1: watched him play every week, and we the word heartbreak
Speaker 1: is what I always think about with him. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think about some incredible plays and then I think about
Speaker 1: the ones like why did he not? The Alabama game
Speaker 1: comes to mind. I think I said this last week,
Speaker 1: like I think of Bryce Butler when I watched DJ Chark,
Speaker 1: Like there's under niable game breaking ability and speed and
Speaker 1: he'll get behind the defense or he'll take an end
Speaker 1: to round and next thing you know, he's twenty yards
Speaker 1: down field after what seems like four steps. But I
Speaker 1: just it's not consistent enough for me to think Washington
Speaker 1: from Oklahoma State really helped himself. He was the best
Speaker 1: wide receiver down there. There's no question in my mind
Speaker 1: about that. And then Hamilton helped himself to Hamilton, Yeah,
Speaker 1: from Penn State. I mean people probably at hitting probably
Speaker 1: people probably had him in the fourth round, maybe a
Speaker 1: third round guy, maybe fifth round guy. Now fourth round
Speaker 1: I had him as a four or five, and now
Speaker 1: I'm thinking more four, solid, solid four here guy. I
Speaker 1: still don't think he's a top one hundred guy, you know,
Speaker 1: because he's probably gonna run a four or five six. Same.
Speaker 1: He's not a big guy, not a fast guy. The
Speaker 1: drops bothered me. But as a route runner, very clean.
Speaker 1: He understands how did he get defenders off balance? He
Speaker 1: can create his own space and that's valuable. So I
Speaker 1: think solid four. So he did help himself. But James Washington,
Speaker 1: the releases the route running, he beat defenders with more
Speaker 1: than just speed. Yeah, you could see that on the
Speaker 1: practice tape right and you saw progress, you know, and
Speaker 1: that's what that's what you're asking for. That's exactly what
Speaker 1: you're asking for. I'm gonna remember Hamilton years from now.
Speaker 1: Like you know, people pull out of the Senior Bowl
Speaker 1: and like the old the Senior Bowls dumb like nobody
Speaker 1: except for the Danes of the world. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: the all time leading receiver and Pence they hit. I know,
Speaker 1: like people know who he is. But like in terms
Speaker 1: of the draft, he was not a name whatsoever. When
Speaker 1: he was a late call up, you know he was Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he he's got it built momentum. He wanted to compete.
Speaker 1: He wanted to and I know there's a chance you
Speaker 1: can get hurt, but you can really only help yourself,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, when there were a few there were
Speaker 1: a few players who played at the Shrine and got
Speaker 1: the late call up and decided not to go to
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl because they did a good week. This
Speaker 1: it's shrine. It's not the forty yard dash, Like, don't
Speaker 1: stand on your shrine game. Just go like even if
Speaker 1: you suck'd be like, well, he came out here and
Speaker 1: competed against the best. That So I think that I
Speaker 1: think that's the most impressive thing to scouts. When you
Speaker 1: show up in practice or run or whatever, stand on
Speaker 1: your forty If you run a four three three, stand
Speaker 1: on that and don't run an again. Everybody understands that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: don't stand on a good week of practice. Go put
Speaker 1: more good days of practice together. Yeah. Um better, Oh god,
Speaker 1: these these are the names better, better potential outside linebacker
Speaker 1: rush rush guy, the guy from USC or the guy
Speaker 1: from Oklahoma. Those are that don't make me, says Quo.
Speaker 1: Sue is easier in oakraw wonk girl close. That's it's
Speaker 1: gonna take a while. That's way harder than I think
Speaker 1: he's got the I think he's the one that I
Speaker 1: liked the best. I really do owe you. Oh you okay, absolutely,
Speaker 1: he's he's got he's got the what the thirty five
Speaker 1: inch arms? Yeah? Yeah, not bad, that's what you're looking for.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what though. Let me I think if
Speaker 1: you use him as an outside linebacker, like I say,
Speaker 1: as a maybe a sam linebacker, but also let him
Speaker 1: rush in the nickel. See I'm not I'm not there
Speaker 1: with you. Okay, you're gonna take USC. It depends if
Speaker 1: I'm gonna If I need a linebacker, I'm taking USC
Speaker 1: because I like him better dropping. I like him better
Speaker 1: in space, then I like, ok If I need a
Speaker 1: guy to get up field, I'm taking okron Quo. Yeah. So,
Speaker 1: but that's what I'm saying. I think that you're talking
Speaker 1: about how could who who could affect the game? They
Speaker 1: affect the game dropping or rushing. To me, okron Quo
Speaker 1: is a defensive end. I don't see. I know he's
Speaker 1: he's shorter, but he has length and I like his
Speaker 1: ability to get up field. So to me, I don't
Speaker 1: want okron Quo to drop. I want him to get
Speaker 1: up field. Oh may I'm with you on that rush Yeah,
Speaker 1: give me rush? Yeah exactly so is he. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: he's a comparable height to carl Awston, is he not?
Speaker 1: He's yeah, I mean six I think Carlson was six
Speaker 1: o one six maybe, yeah, it sounds about right. And
Speaker 1: what's like six one six? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I'm just
Speaker 1: throwing it like he's not. He's got I mean, he
Speaker 1: can do it, especially with his arms right, do it right? Okay,
Speaker 1: And that that's what I'm saying. I want if I
Speaker 1: need to seem a defensive end, I seem his defensive end.
Speaker 1: And that's we talked about him before the Senior Bowl,
Speaker 1: and I told you I was kind of I didn't
Speaker 1: know what to think of him yet. I wanted to
Speaker 1: see him the Senior Bowl to kind of firm up
Speaker 1: my opinion. And I think he did that with what
Speaker 1: he showed with his hand on the ground. If he's
Speaker 1: standing up whatever, he's a lot better getting up the field.
Speaker 1: And I think you can do it on a regular
Speaker 1: basis as a as a I don't care, left end,
Speaker 1: right end, I'm okay with him just getting up field.
Speaker 1: You got one more? Therefore we go to break. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's I'm gonna I'm gonna get to that. I like
Speaker 1: big picture stuff a little bit more. You come out
Speaker 1: of this this week, these practices, this game. There's a
Speaker 1: guy that you just need to look at more. A
Speaker 1: guy you want to look at more you get back.
Speaker 1: I was talking about Dave Shawn Hamilton that way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I hadn't heard his name. I want to go watch
Speaker 1: him a little bit more. But from y'all's perspective, Darius
Speaker 1: Leonard from South Carolina State UM linebacker who on tape
Speaker 1: I wasn't wowed. UM saw him as tackles. Saw a
Speaker 1: guy who you see the desire, you see the competitive nature.
Speaker 1: I didn't, and you see the athleticism, but I didn't
Speaker 1: see necessarily the know how. You know. I thought he
Speaker 1: was just flowing with the ball he was anticipating. At
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl, he impressed me more live and in person.
Speaker 1: So I want to go back to Darius Leonard tape
Speaker 1: and see more and see if I can find it,
Speaker 1: because based on tape, I gave him more of a
Speaker 1: fourth fifth round grade. But during the Senior Bowl, I
Speaker 1: thought this is a player that could go top one hundred.
Speaker 1: So I want to go back to the tape and
Speaker 1: see if I can firm up my opinion on him.
Speaker 1: Two Ray the Rutgers Rutgers outside linebacker, because there were
Speaker 1: some times where as a rusher he looked pretty good
Speaker 1: as well. You know, here's a guy that and you're
Speaker 1: looking at the measurables right here, you know, is let's
Speaker 1: see where I had him right here, Rutgers outside backer
Speaker 1: six four, two hundred and fifty two pounds. You know,
Speaker 1: maybe you could do some stuff with him outside linebacker,
Speaker 1: defensive end. Yeah. I mean he looks like a long,
Speaker 1: rangy guy that I liked what I saw rush. I mean,
Speaker 1: and there were times where I was kind of like
Speaker 1: kind of sitting there and going, well, who's this guy?
Speaker 1: Who's this guy? You gravitate toward pass rushers, don't you.
Speaker 1: I just feel like that's kind of the way the
Speaker 1: game's going. It's easy to Senior Bowl because that's you know,
Speaker 1: the pass rush drils. My issue with Rays setting the
Speaker 1: edge holding up versus the run. I think that's where
Speaker 1: I kind of struggle with him. But yeah, when you
Speaker 1: can get after the quarterback with that type of edge speed, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know you're gonna go high. I mean there's a
Speaker 1: chance he could go top fifty, top sixty, especially if
Speaker 1: he goes to the combine and runs a you know
Speaker 1: four or five three, which he might. Yeah, medicals will
Speaker 1: be important with him. He's been dinged up over his career.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that edge speed to get after the quarterback.
Speaker 1: I'm with you. Terrey is definitely a name to keep
Speaker 1: on the radar. Absolutely, all right, thank you, David. That
Speaker 1: problem all right, very good question. Okay, when we come back,
Speaker 1: we'll continue on with David Hellman. We'll do a little
Speaker 1: Twitter on the twenty. Stay tune. It can be hard
Speaker 1: to find the right source for learning about important financial matters.
Speaker 1: You search how to build savings, you end up reading
Speaker 1: about the one weird ingredient from supermarkets that can make
Speaker 1: you taller. That's why Bank of America build Better Money
Speaker 1: Habits dot Com, a safe little corner of the Internet
Speaker 1: for answering your financial questions. Full of simple videos and tips,
Speaker 1: Better Money Habits can show you how to make the
Speaker 1: most of your money without resorting to random searches that
Speaker 1: always seem to lead to unbelievable photos of childhood stars
Speaker 1: grown up. To learn more, visit Better Money habits dot com.
Speaker 1: What does it mean to be a Dallas Cowboys fan?
Speaker 1: It means you've got the passion and the heart to
Speaker 1: do your part supporting the Boys no matter what. That's
Speaker 1: why when the game's on the line, you're on your feet,
Speaker 1: whether you're at home or in the stands. Actually, you're
Speaker 1: more than a fan. You are a member of Cowboys Nation,
Speaker 1: and so is AT and T doing their part to
Speaker 1: keep you connected to America's team all season. Law AT
Speaker 1: and T is a proud member of Cowboys Nations. Ice Cold,
Speaker 1: Doctor Pepper and the Dallas Cowboys go way back. They
Speaker 1: belong together like Texas and football, Silver and Blue shotgun
Speaker 1: formations and Hail Mary's. Having a Cowboys football party without
Speaker 1: Doctor Pepper is like having Thanksgiving without the Cowboys. Basically,
Speaker 1: we wouldn't recommend it. So next time you have a tailgate, homegate,
Speaker 1: or whatever else kind of gate, grab some ice cold
Speaker 1: Doctor Pepper for you and your friends to enjoy. It's
Speaker 1: a Dallas Cowboys tradition. Doctor Pepper the one you crave.
Speaker 1: To work this big land. You need equipment with values
Speaker 1: rooted as deep in Texas soil as you are like
Speaker 1: John Deer compact tractors with a six year powertrain, warrant
Speaker 1: to in big features that help you work less, so
Speaker 1: you have more time to do what you love. John
Speaker 1: Deer was first in the Texas fields, and we're proud
Speaker 1: to be on the field as the official agg and
Speaker 1: turf equipment of the Dallas Cowboys. Find Texas sized deals
Speaker 1: in my John Deer Dealer dot com. Slash football terms, conditions, exclusions,
Speaker 1: and warranty limitations apply, so you love for details. This
Speaker 1: is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com wrapped Showboys are on
Speaker 1: the You Got the Draft Show from the SWBC Mortgage Studios.
Speaker 1: Brian brought us day Burglar David Hellman, King Garrison, Executive
Speaker 1: producing Today. It's good to be back here at the
Speaker 1: Star in Friscope. Uh, we're gonna get into a little
Speaker 1: bit of twitter on the What do you got from me, David?
Speaker 1: I got, I got some good questions for y'all, which
Speaker 1: appreciate that. I like that. We just did a lengthy
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl rap and we didn't we didn't mention this guy,
Speaker 1: which leads to Drew's point, why no buzz on Penn
Speaker 1: State safety Marcus Allen. I'll be honest, I noticed him
Speaker 1: like twice the entire week of practice. You know what,
Speaker 1: He's here's another guy that to me, Yeah, the film
Speaker 1: that Actually, the film is not bad. I love the film.
Speaker 1: The film is really good. And he but he didn't
Speaker 1: show up in some of the coverage stuff and things
Speaker 1: like that that I was, you know, you there were
Speaker 1: some guys that were around the ball more than what
Speaker 1: Marcus Allen, but man, I and that, and that's unlike
Speaker 1: his film at Penn State, because at Penn State he's
Speaker 1: around the ball and he's a box guy. You know,
Speaker 1: he's downhill, he's attacking, attacking exactly. He's got one of
Speaker 1: the best batting averages as a tackler of any safety
Speaker 1: in this class, no doubt. So in practice isn't necessarily
Speaker 1: the setting tag offs and stuff, right, so I can understand.
Speaker 1: It doesn't bother me in the least that he didn't
Speaker 1: jump out of practice. It's just funny. But you talked
Speaker 1: about the Hawaii safety. Yeah, as a guy that you
Speaker 1: noticed he knows well in coverage during practice and then
Speaker 1: I thought during the game he was a better tackler
Speaker 1: than perspect it. So, yeah, Marcus Allen to me is
Speaker 1: still the top senior safety at nothing at the Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl changed my mind. Yeah, I don't. I don't disagree.
Speaker 1: I think he's a really good player myself. Follow up
Speaker 1: from Drew about a guy who pulled out of the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. Just give me an I don't know, give
Speaker 1: me your thoughts on Harold Landry. And he's a guy
Speaker 1: that I mean, people talk about him as a first
Speaker 1: round pick. They certainly did coming into the season, not
Speaker 1: so much recently, but I got to imagine that's just
Speaker 1: recency bias more than anything else. Right, Yeah, he's tough
Speaker 1: because he didn't have the senior year we expected. His
Speaker 1: junior film was a lot better. Um. I talked to
Speaker 1: him recently and he told me that the ankle is
Speaker 1: just not one yet and that's why you pulled an
Speaker 1: out of the Senior Bowl. But he expects to be
Speaker 1: fully healthy for the combine hopefully is uh so he can,
Speaker 1: you know, just get some numbers on him because he
Speaker 1: can get around the edge and attack the quarterback. It's
Speaker 1: it's it's get him on my team, right. But you
Speaker 1: hate to look at the senior film and say, we
Speaker 1: kind of have to ignore this game can't really count,
Speaker 1: you know, like the Notre Dame film, you know, like
Speaker 1: what do we do with this? It's the fewer the
Speaker 1: question marks, the better, And with Harold Landry. There are
Speaker 1: more question marks than you want. Yeah, that's one of
Speaker 1: those things you have to go back and watch other film.
Speaker 1: But I agree with Dane. I mean, here's a guy
Speaker 1: that can rush the past. You do see some ability
Speaker 1: when he when he's on I mean to dip, you know,
Speaker 1: the way he's able to close the finish. Those are
Speaker 1: all very productive things about him, good traits that you want.
Speaker 1: But his senior year wasn't as good, and you know,
Speaker 1: maybe the injury had a lot to do with that.
Speaker 1: Dustin wants to know how did Marcus Davenport's senior Bowl
Speaker 1: week compare to other small school guys that you can remember,
Speaker 1: you know, just in term you know what you want
Speaker 1: to see from a guy coming from a small school.
Speaker 1: How do you do this? I'm not saying that by
Speaker 1: us a smaller school, but yeah, where he didn't have
Speaker 1: a great week and all of a sudden he showed
Speaker 1: up in the game. Well, and he showed up as
Speaker 1: a rookie in the NFL. You know, he still went
Speaker 1: in top five, or he might have been six that year.
Speaker 1: Now he's five. Parkiebius Mingo went six. I think, well, uh,
Speaker 1: he's thirteen draft Uh so you know, I think that's
Speaker 1: that's the first thing that comes to mind where And
Speaker 1: I think people were a little harsh on Davenport this
Speaker 1: week because he watched the film and you see you
Speaker 1: see a raw pass rusher. You see a guy that
Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily know what knows what he's doing. This is
Speaker 1: a guy that was a basketball player growing up, played
Speaker 1: wide receiver in high school from most of high school,
Speaker 1: and moved to pass rusher. Was two hundred pounds as
Speaker 1: a senior in high school. He's put on sixty pounds
Speaker 1: in the last four years. He's still figuring things out.
Speaker 1: The light bulb is not fully illuminated yet. I think
Speaker 1: once he gets pro coaching, it's really going to turn
Speaker 1: on for him. So I don't I think because some
Speaker 1: in the national media propped up Davenport as a potential
Speaker 1: top ten, top ten pick, people were overly harsh on
Speaker 1: him this week. But I think based on the tape,
Speaker 1: he was how I expected. A guy that looks exactly
Speaker 1: how you want a defensive on the look, uses his hands,
Speaker 1: but there's just no rhyme or reason to what he's
Speaker 1: doing out there. So I think he needs time. But
Speaker 1: he's still absolutely a first round pick. In my mind,
Speaker 1: I was very critical of him and the initially started
Speaker 1: practice and I went back in the last two days,
Speaker 1: I've done nothing but watch practice tape, and there was
Speaker 1: almost every other play he was getting held. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, Okay, why is he not doing this? Why
Speaker 1: is he not doing that? You watch him when they
Speaker 1: when they had the two minute drill, when the when
Speaker 1: the South was practiced in two minute drill, he tips
Speaker 1: a ball that ends up being an interception that it
Speaker 1: kills the drill. I mean, he comes around the corner
Speaker 1: and just I mean and just with the reach with
Speaker 1: his left hand, reaches and hits the ball and now
Speaker 1: it goes fluttering down the field. So you went from
Speaker 1: high to low back to high. Yeah, I went from
Speaker 1: a guy that you know, you know, you're I mean,
Speaker 1: I think Dane's absolutely right. I think there was so
Speaker 1: much put on him initially coming out, and everybody's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't see it. I don't see it. The overcomb
Speaker 1: and say, and the overcompen say, and now you have
Speaker 1: to kind of go back and say, but I'm watching
Speaker 1: the practice tape. I'm serious, I'm watching the practice tape
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, oh, he would have won that one. Oh,
Speaker 1: he would have won that one. Oh, he would have
Speaker 1: won that one. And I think I think fans do
Speaker 1: it with Josh Allen. Fans do it where some people
Speaker 1: think Josh Allen's a top five pick, and some people
Speaker 1: just because they don't see a top five pick, they
Speaker 1: go over the top to kind of knock him down
Speaker 1: too because he's not they don't see a top five pick.
Speaker 1: He might still be worth a first round pick, but
Speaker 1: they just overcompensate. And I think that's what happened to market.
Speaker 1: You have him so high and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: because we were talking about what you take him at
Speaker 1: nineteen yeah, and I'm and I'm Sarah going, now I'm
Speaker 1: looking at it, going, hell, yeah, I take him at nineteen. Well.
Speaker 1: I also think I tried to get Dane to say
Speaker 1: this while we were in Mobile. He's always too diplomatic
Speaker 1: for that. But I this is purely anecdotal on my part,
Speaker 1: but I just felt like the pool of pass rushers
Speaker 1: that this Senior Bowl wasn't as deep as it usually is.
Speaker 1: And that's not you know, it's not that there's always
Speaker 1: these first round badasses, but there's usually like five or
Speaker 1: six guys. You know, I think back to a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago, like Adolphus Washington and Austin Johnson. I
Speaker 1: think it was the same year Kuran Reid was there,
Speaker 1: like the kid that the Eagles drafted, Herley Marcus Smith
Speaker 1: was that, Like, yeah, there's usually five or six dudes
Speaker 1: that are kind of drawing your attention, and this year
Speaker 1: the Stanford kid, Phillips and and Davenport, and it didn't
Speaker 1: really seem like there were a lot of other guys
Speaker 1: that you're talking about as early picks and least. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's my that's the way I read it. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: not talking about I mean, I'm watching Griffin Rush. I'm
Speaker 1: watching Griffin Rush and they haven't blocked him. Yeah, they don't.
Speaker 1: They don't. They didn't block him. My guy, my guy
Speaker 1: from Humboldt State, Alex Cappa, who I think Alex Cappa
Speaker 1: is a good player. I do. From Humboldt State. I
Speaker 1: went back and watched him. You know, oh, kid, he's
Speaker 1: blocking against guys that are probably accountants and pharmacists and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. Yeah, but but he's but he's also
Speaker 1: you could see him doing some good things against some
Speaker 1: of these but when you know when those I'm thinking, Man,
Speaker 1: these guys are winning. They're winning against some guys that
Speaker 1: looked like some good pass blockers. Yeah. I mean with Kappa,
Speaker 1: you saw a guy that has the finishing tenacity that
Speaker 1: you want, the foot quickness. It just the technique, and
Speaker 1: that's really what you expect from a smaller school guy.
Speaker 1: The technique, the pad level. Yeah, some of the more
Speaker 1: finer points of the games. The details just needs to
Speaker 1: show her up. Let me ask you a question. Let
Speaker 1: me ask you a question about that better better small
Speaker 1: school prospect, Better small school prospect. You guys love to
Speaker 1: go in for these Shepherd Division three guys. Shepherd, Shepherd.
Speaker 1: I don't care who else you say. It's Shepherd. It
Speaker 1: only took Shepherd over Kappa. It only took day, like
Speaker 1: a day to come to that conclusion too, because he
Speaker 1: broke his hand on Wednesday. Yeah, he only played, He
Speaker 1: only had a practice and a half. I loved it.
Speaker 1: Watched the West Georgia tape of this kid play. I
Speaker 1: have to look back and see which tapes I watched.
Speaker 1: You go back and watch which Georgia. Okay, that's our
Speaker 1: guy going going against our big tackle. Oh Desmond Harrison. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he rushed them from the outside. Oh yeah, he got him.
Speaker 1: He's out on the outside of quite a bit. Who
Speaker 1: won those battles? Watch the tape and find out. Watch
Speaker 1: the tape and find out. I went, No, I don't
Speaker 1: don't think I watched the West Georgia tapas. I would
Speaker 1: have remembered that matchup. Oh, feel free to go upstairs
Speaker 1: with me some day and do that. I think the
Speaker 1: ones I watched were or maybe Delta stage about Southern
Speaker 1: Do you watch Southern University? Remember it was dark, it
Speaker 1: was dark out. I remember that. I have to look
Speaker 1: shaped it well. But no, I liked him coming in
Speaker 1: and do it through a half. You know what. No,
Speaker 1: he and he's and I'm not. I'm I'm just having
Speaker 1: fun with what's your answer to that question? I would
Speaker 1: take the I would I think the the upside of
Speaker 1: the of the humbold tackle is more. Okay, I do.
Speaker 1: I think I think that he I think that you
Speaker 1: can to me, he does look like a good athlete.
Speaker 1: There's some things when you're watching him play and there
Speaker 1: you know, he's running on screens and outside plays in
Speaker 1: space and stuff. He looks like a really good athlete.
Speaker 1: You know, and in the sets and things like that.
Speaker 1: He had some struggles in the Senior Bowl. But I
Speaker 1: mean a lot of guys did. Guys from Oregon had struggles.
Speaker 1: Guy from Army had strugg I mean, everybody's had struggles
Speaker 1: from small from bigger schools. I I I don't, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't disrespect Shepherd, but from what I saw of
Speaker 1: his college tape, I think that I would say, if
Speaker 1: you gave me a choice between the two, I take
Speaker 1: the other. So you like Kappa better than Parker? The
Speaker 1: North Carolina and t Town. Now wait a minute there,
Speaker 1: whoa just a second there, buddy, I'll say this different guy.
Speaker 1: One looks stronger. Parker looks stronger. And I wrote about Parker,
Speaker 1: they're a bigger guy longer. Yeah. Humboldt State is in
Speaker 1: a part of California. Oh yeah, I've never even of
Speaker 1: north of Bakersfield. Maybe it's like four hours north of
Speaker 1: San Francisco. It's like basically Oregon. I didn't even know.
Speaker 1: It's the kids looks like Robert Gallery with his hair
Speaker 1: and all that, you know, in the stance and everything
Speaker 1: that humbold State almost lost their program. But good on
Speaker 1: the boosters. Parker State Parker. Well, I like Parker though too.
Speaker 1: He's I have him higher rated than Kappa. That's why
Speaker 1: North Carolina A and T. Right. Okay, Dave, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: go ahead on that. Ye have you have? You have
Speaker 1: Humboldt State higher than Parker? Uh? No, I have North
Speaker 1: Carolina A and T over North Carolina. Right. Quick question, Um,
Speaker 1: do you think at Humboldt State they serve their players
Speaker 1: Humboldt pie YEA or no? I think that the Jacks
Speaker 1: sorry because their nickname the Jack. I got a question
Speaker 1: for you, Dane that you'll appreciate being the Ohio guy
Speaker 1: that you are and just just pretend like none of
Speaker 1: that happened. Yeah, I just did. Uh. Matt wants to
Speaker 1: know about Tae Kwon Lewis and Jalen Holmes and how
Speaker 1: they did, how you feel about them, where you put them,
Speaker 1: all that good stuff. Taekwon Lewis both Ohio State prospects.
Speaker 1: For those of you that don't know, Tayquan Lewis is
Speaker 1: as reliable a defensive end as you could ask for. Um,
Speaker 1: he's not going to be the scream off the edge
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, really threatened the corner on every snap.
Speaker 1: But he can hold up versus the run, he can
Speaker 1: set the edge, and he can also play with power
Speaker 1: as a rusher. And he's not a bad athlete either.
Speaker 1: He's just not that, you know, explosive get off type
Speaker 1: of guy. But he's just a solid defensive endue. I
Speaker 1: think he's gonna have a long career in the NFL.
Speaker 1: And then Holmes, here's a guy that was just buried
Speaker 1: on the death chart when you think of about the
Speaker 1: bosas being there, Hubbard Lewis, he had a tough tub
Speaker 1: of getting on the field A lot of times. When
Speaker 1: he got on the field, it was as an interior player,
Speaker 1: just to get the four best pass rushers out there.
Speaker 1: At the Senior Bowl, it was up and down. I
Speaker 1: thought he was one of those guys I wrote about
Speaker 1: going into the Senior Bowl, one of the ten storylines.
Speaker 1: I thought he had a chance to kind of step
Speaker 1: out of that shadow. He didn't do it as much
Speaker 1: as I wanted, but I still think you saw the
Speaker 1: talent he got Will Hernandez on a pretty good rep
Speaker 1: one on one that showed off his skill set, which
Speaker 1: not many people got Will Hernandez this week, but Holmes did.
Speaker 1: So he had a solid week I think he You know,
Speaker 1: he's right there in the third fourth round range. I'll
Speaker 1: tell you with Lewis, though I liked him better on
Speaker 1: the game film playing as a tackle, it was a
Speaker 1: subtackle to be honest with. He did that ohouse state. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, here's the guy. He can knock people off balance.
Speaker 1: Your eyes powerful. He's a powerful guy, but he could
Speaker 1: also get knocked off a balance too. But I kind
Speaker 1: of like some of the work that he was able
Speaker 1: to do inside. I really did keep an eye on
Speaker 1: that Urban Meyer. He said there's three players that he's
Speaker 1: ever coached that stand out as the toughest he's ever coached,
Speaker 1: Tim Tebow, John Simon and Taykewe knows. Yeah, can I
Speaker 1: get Lewis at eighty one or is that too late? No?
Speaker 1: I think he could. Yeah, I think he'll be there aday. See.
Speaker 1: It's tough because some teams really value just that consistency,
Speaker 1: like he's never gonna make a Pro Bowl's But some
Speaker 1: teams are not all gonna make Pro Bowls, right, and
Speaker 1: some teams are gonna reach for that upside. Some teams
Speaker 1: are okay with just a consistent type of player. And
Speaker 1: so yeah, I mean right now, I've got Lewis, where
Speaker 1: do I have him as a three four? So bring
Speaker 1: it on. He could be there at eighty one. Bring
Speaker 1: it on. I'm really gonna put y'all on the spot
Speaker 1: here with a question from Ernie. Just y'all are gonna
Speaker 1: hate this, and I don't care. He wants to know
Speaker 1: how many wide receivers are out there that you think
Speaker 1: could help on day one. He's one of the draft
Speaker 1: Day one of not for this team, the day one
Speaker 1: for this team, like you draft him and they're playing
Speaker 1: a significant role immediately. Um, we know Calvin Ridley. I
Speaker 1: think we both agree that. Yeah, we do agree on Ridley. Um,
Speaker 1: so we don't need to talk about him. I think
Speaker 1: the problem is are they going to beat out who's
Speaker 1: already in the roster? I know, well, I don't know Ernie,
Speaker 1: but if I had to guess, he's trying to get
Speaker 1: rid of Dez Bryant. He's just like by Dez R
Speaker 1: by eighty eight. So he's looking for one. Is what
Speaker 1: he's looking for is looking yeah or yeah or whatever
Speaker 1: a guy who's one of your top three receivers immediately,
Speaker 1: Which that's my whole thing about, you know, the disconnect
Speaker 1: there is. I mean, unless Dez Bryant's not on the team,
Speaker 1: I don't see a guy who's gonna do that, unless
Speaker 1: you get maybe Calvin Riddley. You say, let's say the
Speaker 1: top three. Let me say ask you about receivers. Come back,
Speaker 1: what what? What about Miller from Memphis? I like Miller
Speaker 1: a lot. Miller's got the kind of fla to his
Speaker 1: game that I think they could translate well and I
Speaker 1: but I don't have him as high as I mean.
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking about a guy Anthony Miller, that's right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about a guy who's got some flare to
Speaker 1: his game, big playability. You know that you you plug
Speaker 1: him in, and yeah, these guys are gonna it happens
Speaker 1: every year, with the exception of of recently or a
Speaker 1: guy in New Orleans Thomas Michael Thomas. Yeah, he stepped
Speaker 1: in right off the jump. Well, it's it's tough I
Speaker 1: think of receiver. I mean, there's no depends on where
Speaker 1: you go too. You got to play. You go to
Speaker 1: a place like Drew Brees throwing you the football is
Speaker 1: a lot different sure than you know. And even Dak Prescott, Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: that's not a knockoff exactly. So, I mean you could
Speaker 1: be you could be a guy that separates and does
Speaker 1: all this and all that. They gotta get you the football.
Speaker 1: It's hard to I mean I think of it. If
Speaker 1: you want a receiver who's gonna make a contract fusion immediately,
Speaker 1: I think you gotta get him in the top one
Speaker 1: hundred picks. Which it's doable. It's doable. Yeah, Terrence Williams
Speaker 1: even which say what you will about him, but he
Speaker 1: was pick eighty. I think something him and third round somewhere. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was pick eighty. I love to throw Jarvis Landry
Speaker 1: out there. He was picked seventy eight and he's set.
Speaker 1: He owns the NFL record for most receptions through his
Speaker 1: rookie contract or whatever. Then I mean, or you could
Speaker 1: draft a Laquon Treadwell twenty second overall, who has ten
Speaker 1: catches in two years or whatever. Let me ask a question,
Speaker 1: say the Cowboys draft Michael Gallop into the second or
Speaker 1: third round, do you think he could beat out Terrence
Speaker 1: Willie Yes, day one, Yes, Okay, well there's one right there. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I'm looking. That's what I'm saying, Gallop. I have Gallop
Speaker 1: ahead of Miller, but I was just thinking about a
Speaker 1: receiver that might be that surprised guy you know Memphis,
Speaker 1: think about guys you know that, Yeah, I'm DJ Moore. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking probably six guys like just I mean, I
Speaker 1: see like Isaac Bruce from Memphis back in the day,
Speaker 1: second round pick, all sudden, he just comes in and
Speaker 1: is great player. Ridley? Who's our other Kirk? Ridley? Kirk
Speaker 1: more gallop um scouts about Kirk? Guys, weren't him jumping
Speaker 1: up and down like we were? I mean, I'm talking
Speaker 1: spots about their teams, not are not my guys? Are
Speaker 1: our guys that live in this building? What do we
Speaker 1: talk about with Kirk? He lived in the slot, that's
Speaker 1: where he played. Can he go to the outside. Not
Speaker 1: Everyone is convinced in the NFL that he can just
Speaker 1: flawlessly make that move outside. That surprised me because I
Speaker 1: wanted to know about those receivers. Everybody loves more from
Speaker 1: Maryland because he's awesome. Yeah, everybody loves Ridley. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: and I was asking guys, you see Ridley there at
Speaker 1: nineteen and these guys were like, I don't think so, Brian,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think so. That's nicer than I
Speaker 1: thought it would be. Yeah, scouts love to answer your
Speaker 1: question with like a are you stupid? Kind No, No,
Speaker 1: they did, but they but when I asked him about Kirk,
Speaker 1: they were kind of the of the I don't know, Brian,
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I don't you know. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: go there. Wait, this is actually this is a great
Speaker 1: segue if we get to go to this one more question,
Speaker 1: Dave and I gotta get a break. Okay, well we'll
Speaker 1: just do it then, um protect the Star. Once an
Speaker 1: NFL comparison for Christian Kirk, which have fun? M you
Speaker 1: got one? Brian? Is he? Is he a faster? Is
Speaker 1: he a faster Steve Smith? Size wise? I like? I
Speaker 1: like Dj Moore as the Steve Smith's I thought that's
Speaker 1: the one that we agreed on. But aren't they both
Speaker 1: kind of that five ten two hundred pound range? Once too? Twelve?
Speaker 1: Am I right about? What is more? Is more of
Speaker 1: a just to me? The physical say, is Christian Kirk
Speaker 1: is like physical as I'm just thinking about size wise comparisons? Yeah,
Speaker 1: more is more of the bulkier guy kirkstick two hundred pounds? Yeah,
Speaker 1: well yeah, cut that out as a drop immediately more
Speaker 1: might be twenty pounds more than Kirk is. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Kirk has to think about that to
Speaker 1: get a direct comparison for him. I don't know. It's
Speaker 1: it's tough because again, can you play outside. That's we're
Speaker 1: gonna just say. He's just compared him to a slot receiver.
Speaker 1: You know, that's a big, big part of his evaluation.
Speaker 1: I would take more over Kirk myself. There you go,
Speaker 1: really I would. I wonder you're a Kirk. I like Kirk,
Speaker 1: but I mean I so it is more your number
Speaker 1: two receiver behind Ridley. I wonder about DJ Moore because
Speaker 1: I feel like by the time it's all said and done,
Speaker 1: it's early. Well, but I talk about a guy that
Speaker 1: played with some bad quarterbacks. I feel like the pat
Speaker 1: a pass from eight different quarterbacks over his creer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like we'll be talking about him as a
Speaker 1: first round guy by the should be all over. Yeah, Like,
Speaker 1: didn't mix it right. Well, when this whole thing started,
Speaker 1: you're like, well, maybe you can get him at fifty.
Speaker 1: And I feel like by the time it's all over,
Speaker 1: it's like I would rather him than that notre Dame kid.
Speaker 1: When him at nineteen took Fuller. Yeah, well when you
Speaker 1: kind of when we finished the draft class, the Washington
Speaker 1: kid that Cincinnati took, I can't remember names anymore. John Ross,
Speaker 1: I know at school last year. I know top ten.
Speaker 1: So I'm saying I thought, that's one of those ones
Speaker 1: where while it's happening, you're like, this is stupid. But
Speaker 1: hey whatever, Yeah, he had a rookie season to forget.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so it's a guy Minnesota. Did our guy
Speaker 1: have a rookie year to forget? Or was it just
Speaker 1: like he's had a career to forget so far? It
Speaker 1: was just a rookie year. It wasn't. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Are we talking about treadwell? No, oh no, I'm talking
Speaker 1: about Taco. Sorry, oh no, I'm about treadwell. I wasn't treadwell. Yeah,
Speaker 1: as a receiver, treadwells my it's two bad years back
Speaker 1: to back. Tread well. That's tratulation. Now wear it around
Speaker 1: your neck. Treadwell hurts. But I don't think Taco had
Speaker 1: a rookie year to forget. Yeah, he just had a
Speaker 1: he had a year, all right, He just had a year.
Speaker 1: Thanks everybody that tweeted in questions. We appreciate it. As always,
Speaker 1: We're gonna take a break. Come back, we'll get into
Speaker 1: some more draft talk. Stay. Cowboys fans know that the
Speaker 1: second best of anything simply won't cut it, and your
Speaker 1: skincare should be no different. A long time locker room
Speaker 1: favorite of the players and the official men's skincare brand
Speaker 1: of the Dallas Cowboys, Dallas based Jack Black is the
Speaker 1: number one best selling men's skincare brand in the country.
Speaker 1: Because we make products that help guys look, smell, and
Speaker 1: feel better. Visit get Jack Black dot com slash Cowboys
Speaker 1: to get ten dollars off your first order of fifty
Speaker 1: dollars or more. Jack Black Look Good, Smell good, feel good.
Speaker 1: Official men's skincare brand of the Dallas Cowboys. Star Sports
Speaker 1: Tours is the only official fan travel partner of the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys, offering exclusive game weekend travel packages with sideline
Speaker 1: access and photo ops with current players, alumni and cheerleaders.
Speaker 1: That's not all, though, You'll get to talk xs and
Speaker 1: os with Senior Director of Player Personnel Will McClay and
Speaker 1: of course, with yours truly, me, Brian broad Us. You
Speaker 1: can trust the official fan travel partner of the Dallas Cowboys,
Speaker 1: and with us, you'll travel like a pro. Visit Cowboys
Speaker 1: travel dot com to book your travel package. Today. I
Speaker 1: hear all this talk about what it takes to be
Speaker 1: a cowboy. Everyone's got their ideas, but I just say
Speaker 1: to myself, it's what's up top that matters. Sure, you
Speaker 1: need men with the muscle and heart to get her done.
Speaker 1: But if your scouts and coaches are listening out there
Speaker 1: a word of advice. Pick the man with the most
Speaker 1: well worn stetson. That's the one most cut out to
Speaker 1: be a cowboy. Stetson hats are handmade right here in
Speaker 1: Texas and have been on Cowboys heads for over one
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty years. The rest of you can visit
Speaker 1: stetson dot com slash cowboy to find a retailer nearest you.
Speaker 1: What does it mean to be a Dallas Cowboys fan.
Speaker 1: It means you've got the passion and the heart to
Speaker 1: do your part supporting the boys no matter what. That's
Speaker 1: why when the game's on the line, you're on your feet,
Speaker 1: whether you're at home or in the stands. Actually, you're
Speaker 1: more than a fan. You are a member of Cowboys Nation,
Speaker 1: and so is at and T doing their part to
Speaker 1: keep you connected to America's team all season. Law AT
Speaker 1: and T is a proud member of Cowboys Nation. This
Speaker 1: is the Dallas Cowboys Com drafts. In football, Brian, often
Speaker 1: the quickest play is mixed with some good old fashioned
Speaker 1: ingenuity or the key to winning, kind of like Tommy
Speaker 1: John's horizontal quick draw fly. I've never read this one before.
Speaker 1: It's the most intuitive, simple and speedy feature that other
Speaker 1: underwear brands words are difficult to go through. They just
Speaker 1: don't have those, They just don't have a brand. Tommy
Speaker 1: John's quick draw fly is really useful for those of
Speaker 1: you that want to know. Yeah, good point, good point,
Speaker 1: Tommy John read people. Uh, if you want to find
Speaker 1: out for yourself, you can shop exclusive Cowboys underwear Tommy
Speaker 1: john dot com forward slash Cowboys. I highly recommend it.
Speaker 1: It's great. It's comfortable. Yeah, quickly accessible, quickly accessible. Hey,
Speaker 1: while we got we got about ten minutes here. I
Speaker 1: just want to on the on the page. Here, we've
Speaker 1: got a phone number eight eight eight eight five five
Speaker 1: two two ninety seven. If you guys want to call in,
Speaker 1: get your question on the air live. If you didn't
Speaker 1: get it in on Twitter. On the two twenty. Maybe
Speaker 1: we can grab some calls here in the last ten
Speaker 1: minutes of the show again once again something the left
Speaker 1: corner of the of the box eight eight eight eight
Speaker 1: five five two two nine seven. Kent Garrison is handling.
Speaker 1: That makes sure you're nice to Kent. Everybody's doing well
Speaker 1: and if he can just get your question, that will
Speaker 1: help us. We'll maybe get to a few more down
Speaker 1: the line. I want to get into you. You ranked
Speaker 1: though your top fifteen Senior Bowl performers, and that's the
Speaker 1: tape and all that stuff, and it wasn't just the
Speaker 1: top fifteen players, right, Yeah, I mean, and I want
Speaker 1: to get it because we there's some of these guys
Speaker 1: we didn't get into. Yeah, and I'll focus on number
Speaker 1: fifteen if I could, okay, and that would be Isaiah.
Speaker 1: Get him? Yeah, it goes enough that works. Your confidence
Speaker 1: was not very impressive. I mean, no, get him? I
Speaker 1: think is how you pronounce that? Yeah, I was trying
Speaker 1: to listen to how they said that. Why I a
Speaker 1: D O M. Boston Boston College. I do like the player.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you why I liked the player because I
Speaker 1: felt like he was the one guy in the one
Speaker 1: on one coverages that always got his head around. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and from press, from press. Yeah, he's a long, rangy guy,
Speaker 1: that seven thirty two and yeah, quarter in charms. And
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. I liked him because of how
Speaker 1: he played with his eyes. Yeah. You know, a lot
Speaker 1: of these guys don't find the ball. You can't make
Speaker 1: a play on the ball if you don't look for
Speaker 1: it and the ball going down the field. He made
Speaker 1: those plays. I'm glad you put them in there. Well,
Speaker 1: that's exactly why he saw a patient feet and press.
Speaker 1: The ability to turn run hip to hip with receivers
Speaker 1: down the field and then after saying yeah, turn your head,
Speaker 1: locate the ball and try to make a play. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's that's something that showed up routinely during practice. So
Speaker 1: I thought he helped himself. We talked about Sean Hamilton,
Speaker 1: he's number fourteen. We talked about Alex Kappa from the
Speaker 1: tackle from Humboldt State. Didn't look out of place, did
Speaker 1: not look out of place at all. We talked about
Speaker 1: Brandon Parker, offensive tackle North Carolina, A and T. We
Speaker 1: talked a little bit, Hey, but you I want to
Speaker 1: get in a little bit more about Treyvon Henderson, the
Speaker 1: strong safety from Hawaii. Yeah, like I said, he impressed me,
Speaker 1: moving in reverse, going up against tight ends. I had
Speaker 1: a little bit of that secondary burst when he was
Speaker 1: closing on routes so he can make a play on
Speaker 1: the ball. He just he looked comfortable in what he
Speaker 1: was doing, and on the Hawaii tape, I didn't always
Speaker 1: see that, especially in coverage and then downhill, coming to balance, rapping,
Speaker 1: finishing tackles. Now, that obviously is harder to see during practice,
Speaker 1: but you saw it in the game. So he earned
Speaker 1: his place. Henderson did on this list, and he's one
Speaker 1: of those guys where you're going back to the tape
Speaker 1: and saying, Okay, what did I miss? Make sure you're
Speaker 1: watching more games, just trying to do more work on him.
Speaker 1: Super excited to hear that because I think I've said
Speaker 1: before it seems like the scouting report on every safety
Speaker 1: is like, what's great going downhill and tackling? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know about going backward right. I want to say, no,
Speaker 1: you need guy that could play in the back end.
Speaker 1: Find me in safety who looks comfortable in coverage. Number
Speaker 1: ten Jalen Samuel's running back North Carolina State. I don't
Speaker 1: think there's any question that Rashad Penny is the best
Speaker 1: ball carrier that we saw in Mobile. But in terms
Speaker 1: of if you're a team that wants to do everything, guy, block,
Speaker 1: catch the ball in the backfield, Jalen Dames might be
Speaker 1: a guy more so than Penny. Well, I was thinking
Speaker 1: about my LSU guy being that guy. Well, he belongs
Speaker 1: to the conversation too. Yeah, I like Samuel's better. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but Daryl Williams. Aryl Williams at LSU was missus, Dave,
Speaker 1: I don't care what you say. Well, but I don't
Speaker 1: think it's that he was a missus. He was miss used.
Speaker 1: He shouldn't have played over guys. No, but you know,
Speaker 1: come up with some things creatively to the showcase. I
Speaker 1: think that the coaches, I think the coaches of the
Speaker 1: Bronco coaches did a better job of showcasing things he
Speaker 1: could do catching the football. You're saying, letting him play
Speaker 1: wildcat quarterbacks not creative enough for you. No, I'm talking
Speaker 1: about things that he could do as running back. He's
Speaker 1: he's vastly underrated through no fault of his own, because
Speaker 1: it's hard to take away, it's hard to give him
Speaker 1: touches when Leonard Fournett and Darius guys for the guys
Speaker 1: in front of him, He's just gonna be the latest.
Speaker 1: But Samuel Samuel a complete guy, your completer guy does everyone.
Speaker 1: He played tight end in college, he played, he split
Speaker 1: out and played wide receiver. He lined up in the backfield.
Speaker 1: He does everything, and he does it well. No linebacker
Speaker 1: could stick with him during uh, with his routes as
Speaker 1: a pass catcher. And that's not necessarily surprising because we
Speaker 1: saw him do it weekend week out at NC State.
Speaker 1: Yeah again, I'm looking forward. I need to see I
Speaker 1: need to see him. Uh. We talked about the DJ
Speaker 1: Chark a little bit, what he was able to do
Speaker 1: and helped himself. He's sure he helped himself get into
Speaker 1: a number eight DeShawn hand defensive lineman Obama Alabama. It
Speaker 1: wasn't always consistent, but it's when he won that made
Speaker 1: you go oh wow, Yeah, it made you kind of
Speaker 1: sit up in your seat a little bit. Especially he
Speaker 1: was one of the few, one of the old only
Speaker 1: ones to be Isaiah win the entire week. Yeah. Uh.
Speaker 1: And he did it with power, did it with just
Speaker 1: stubborn hands. Uh, quickness, DeShawn Hands a guy that at
Speaker 1: Alabama didn't necessarily get a chance to just get after it.
Speaker 1: You know, he had certain responsibilities that didn't allow him
Speaker 1: to kind of show his full skill set. So I
Speaker 1: thought he'd helped himself. Deshaun Hand did during the week
Speaker 1: of practice. I put himself in that top one hunter conversation. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I liked him. I like how physical. He was, very physical,
Speaker 1: I mean, and with the quickness too. I mean, big
Speaker 1: guy and powered him. Yeah, and he's a little bit
Speaker 1: of a tweeter. He's only two hundred and eighty two pounds,
Speaker 1: but I think that he looked big and when the
Speaker 1: number nine, yeah, it looked kind of funny on him.
Speaker 1: But the quick I mean he looks square. The way
Speaker 1: he played, I'll play him inside, I'll play him out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's would be that big defensive end. Yeah, I'm inside.
Speaker 1: Gives him pass rush quickness to him and gaps right,
Speaker 1: he can play insider outside. Okay, bring it on. Got
Speaker 1: Griffin from US from CF. He had to make the
Speaker 1: list again. He's gonna get favorite player. I guess my
Speaker 1: pet cat fourth round. I have fourth round grade on.
Speaker 1: He'll get drafted. He'll play on special teams for a
Speaker 1: long time. Play him in sub package. He's gonna be
Speaker 1: a solid pro. That's gonna be the narrative. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be for him. No, I mean, hey, that's I'll be
Speaker 1: interested to see how things work out at the at
Speaker 1: the whole thing with the Combine. He needs to be there.
Speaker 1: He'll be there. He needs to be there, he needs
Speaker 1: to be working out. Teams need to get closer to
Speaker 1: this kid. Do you think that he wouldn't be for
Speaker 1: some reason? Well, it's this according to Mike Mayock, that
Speaker 1: he hadn't been hadn't received an invitation yet, he'll be there.
Speaker 1: It's a month away. Now, let's hope he does get it.
Speaker 1: It feels like such. I'm giving him your invitation if
Speaker 1: you don't. Hey, no, I wasn't invited. First of all,
Speaker 1: I applied for a credential. There's a difference. We can
Speaker 1: get him a credential with the Dallas Cowboys dot Com
Speaker 1: staff of that love to have him around. It's it's
Speaker 1: a winner. I feel like there's a shorter gap usually
Speaker 1: between the Senior Bowl and the Combine because it's a
Speaker 1: solid month away, so we'll give us more time to
Speaker 1: look at some more tape. Sure James Washington, wide receiver,
Speaker 1: Oklahoma at number six. Now we get into the top five.
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield, Oklahoma, number five. We've talked about him a
Speaker 1: little bit. Our Oklahoma defensive end outside linebacker okawom run
Speaker 1: got Oka Runquell and I gotta come up like I
Speaker 1: gotta come up with a nickname. We say Cheeto instead
Speaker 1: of exactly how to come up with Yeah, exactly, we'll
Speaker 1: get we'll get to all that. But he's number four.
Speaker 1: Will her Nandez the darling number three. Now this is
Speaker 1: what Now, this is where it gets really interesting for me.
Speaker 1: In Dane's numbers. At number three he has will Hernandez,
Speaker 1: and at number one he has Isaiah Winn. So two
Speaker 1: of his three best players from the Senior Bowl were guards.
Speaker 1: I think that probably jives with what people were saying
Speaker 1: all week though, I mean, and Nathan Shephard, the defensive
Speaker 1: tackle from Fort Hayes, was number two, and I'm I mean,
Speaker 1: I feel like Hernandez kind of came in with a
Speaker 1: little bit of hype, like so he was pushing Win.
Speaker 1: But I feel like when he might be, he's probably right.
Speaker 1: I think Win was not that he's not a good player.
Speaker 1: I think he was more of a surprise in terms
Speaker 1: of what people expected to see from him. At least
Speaker 1: that's my perspective. I take either one of those guys,
Speaker 1: but I think when there's something about Win, he's so good.
Speaker 1: I was mapping out, mapping out my top fifty players.
Speaker 1: He came at number twenty one. There you go. He
Speaker 1: just I mean, you run out of reasons why you
Speaker 1: shouldn't like him. And he practiced this entire week with
Speaker 1: a torn labor He's having surgery this week. Oh wow. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So he's just he's just a darn good player. And
Speaker 1: again we saw it a left tackle all this year.
Speaker 1: Uh you know he's gonna move inside the guard. He
Speaker 1: just he rarely got beat. You see the quickness, you
Speaker 1: see the technique, You see the power the hips give
Speaker 1: me Isaiah win and see and that's not anything against
Speaker 1: will her Nandez, because will her Nandez had a great
Speaker 1: week himself. The power of the quickness, he gets off
Speaker 1: balance a little bit, and that's what kind of that's
Speaker 1: why he's at three and not number one. When he
Speaker 1: got off balance, defenders are able to beat him. But well,
Speaker 1: her Nandez, he cemented himself as a top fifty guy.
Speaker 1: Where it is that the Cowboys met with her Nandez
Speaker 1: at a senior Bowl, they should better trade up. Wait, well,
Speaker 1: I'm glad you said that. I mean I think both
Speaker 1: those tackles, I mean that both those guards go in
Speaker 1: the top twenty. No, I'd be surprised because I think
Speaker 1: Win has a chance. Again, there's not twenty five better
Speaker 1: players in this draft than Isaiah Win. You just oh,
Speaker 1: but you just said you think Winn has a chance.
Speaker 1: You just said the Cowboys had to trade up to
Speaker 1: get to her Nandez. I met in the second round.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, somewhere in the thirties. I understand. Yeah, if
Speaker 1: you how far would you drop back to take Win?
Speaker 1: Not far? I mean mid twenties. Yea's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: How how where's that line? Yeah, we got to figure
Speaker 1: that out. What if you just, hey, just pull a
Speaker 1: twenty thirteen and drop from nineteen to thirty one. And
Speaker 1: if you do that, then you're taking her Nandez and
Speaker 1: bagally you get a better pick out of it than
Speaker 1: you did that or the five spot drop would be
Speaker 1: would be uh, Georgia, m a ten to fifteen drop?
Speaker 1: How did they only get a third round pick. That
Speaker 1: was one of the few concerns I heard about Hernandez
Speaker 1: also was the guy and this is from Scouts, um
Speaker 1: as a guy that struggled to qualify at bigger schools,
Speaker 1: you test it on him. Some are questioning, you know,
Speaker 1: how long is it gonna take from to understand the
Speaker 1: playbook and you know that kind of thing. So that's
Speaker 1: that's the question that he'll have to answer during interviews.
Speaker 1: And so he still has will Hernandez has room to
Speaker 1: improve and he can still impress teams between now and
Speaker 1: the pro day and the workouts and all that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: real quick, I mean we've established Quentin Nelson is line one.
Speaker 1: These are the next two best parts. Yeah, watch the giants.
Speaker 1: Watch the giants drop back and take him. And where
Speaker 1: do they giants? Yeah, giants or they could take him.
Speaker 1: Watch watch the giants. Where do they rank among tackle too? Though,
Speaker 1: because other than the Oklahoma kid be all over the
Speaker 1: mount this doesn't feel like a very strong tackle class.
Speaker 1: Connor William Orlando Brown, It's gonna be all over them.
Speaker 1: It is, Okay, I hear the music. That's all the
Speaker 1: time we got. Hey, folks, thanks so much for joining
Speaker 1: a song in the Draft Show. From a Scout Stain Brugo,
Speaker 1: David Helmet, K Garrison, Executive to do Signed Brian Bross.
Speaker 1: We'll see you Thursday at eleven am Central. From more
Speaker 1: the Draft Show. Take to hear