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Speaker 1: Dane Brugler, David Hellman and Brian brought us. Well, welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Draft Show. We're back from Mobile, Alabama after

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Speaker 1: a really an outstanding week of evaluation, investigation, all those

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Speaker 1: good things Brian brought us with Dame Brugler, David Hellman, gentleman,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to the SWBC Mortgage Studios. Good to be here.

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Speaker 1: Another mobile trip in the books. I'll tell you what, man,

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Speaker 1: that was a good week, great week. I enjoyed that.

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Speaker 1: I enjoy being around guys practicing and stuff like that. Coaches,

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Speaker 1: you know, you kind of we kind of get it

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Speaker 1: we've come a long way, come a long way from

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Speaker 1: like it. I liked it the way it was last week. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. It was good and I appreciate that,

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Speaker 1: and I appreciate everybody falling along with us oh that

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Speaker 1: week and then being back with the day. Kit Garrison

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Speaker 1: into putting a bow on this Senior Bowl stuff, and David,

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Speaker 1: this opportunity to do that. We kind of talked about

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Speaker 1: this last week, which is just for a variety of circumstances.

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Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever watched less of the Senior

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Speaker 1: Bowl practices than I did. Because you're hunting Jerry and Steven. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, the Cowboys are trying to make like fifteen

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Speaker 1: different coaching high and Jerry and Stephen Jones both make

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Speaker 1: themselves available for interviews. It creates quite a stressful environment

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Speaker 1: for a Cowboys beat writer. So I didn't get to

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Speaker 1: focus as much as you guys did. So, you know,

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Speaker 1: so what we got three practices and a game. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I want to know from both of y'all. You know,

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Speaker 1: we both I want you both to answer. So let's

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Speaker 1: not let's not read a book on this. No, Nah,

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Speaker 1: who's a guy that you that you thought looked better

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Speaker 1: Who do you got? Go ahead, I'll let you roll

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Speaker 1: first on this one. Uh yeah. I think every year

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Speaker 1: with these All Star games, there are certain players that

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Speaker 1: I think for me, I would go with the Hawaii

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Speaker 1: safety Trayvon Henderson, who I thought I had a great

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Speaker 1: week in practice. In the game, looked comfortable in reverse

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Speaker 1: followed up in the game. Harrison Phillips, defensive tackle, Stanford,

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Speaker 1: I think we saw a guy who's a very athlete.

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Speaker 1: A lot of good tight ends in this game. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: He can't. I mean now you watch him playing the

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Speaker 1: like it? But great route runner and you's the football Yeah. Yeah. Uh.

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Speaker 1: This is an interesting one which I'm curious for y'all's

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Speaker 1: I didn't, and you see the athleticism, but I didn't

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Speaker 1: see necessarily the know how. You know. I thought he

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Speaker 1: was just flowing with the ball he was anticipating. At

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Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl, he impressed me more live and in person.

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Speaker 1: So I want to go back to Darius Leonard tape

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Speaker 1: and see more and see if I can find it,

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Speaker 1: because based on tape, I gave him more of a

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Speaker 1: fourth fifth round grade. But during the Senior Bowl, I

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Speaker 1: thought this is a player that could go top one hundred.

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Speaker 1: So I want to go back to the tape and

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Speaker 1: see if I can firm up my opinion on him.

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Speaker 1: Two Ray the Rutgers Rutgers outside linebacker, because there were

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Speaker 1: some times where as a rusher he looked pretty good

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Speaker 1: as well. You know, here's a guy that and you're

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Speaker 1: looking at the measurables right here, you know, is let's

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Speaker 1: see where I had him right here, Rutgers outside backer

441
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Speaker 1: six four, two hundred and fifty two pounds. You know,

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Speaker 1: maybe you could do some stuff with him outside linebacker,

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Speaker 1: defensive end. Yeah. I mean he looks like a long,

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Speaker 1: rangy guy that I liked what I saw rush. I mean,

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Speaker 1: and there were times where I was kind of like

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Speaker 1: kind of sitting there and going, well, who's this guy?

447
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Speaker 1: Who's this guy? You gravitate toward pass rushers, don't you.

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Speaker 1: I just feel like that's kind of the way the

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Speaker 1: game's going. It's easy to Senior Bowl because that's you know,

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Speaker 1: the pass rush drils. My issue with Rays setting the

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Speaker 1: edge holding up versus the run. I think that's where

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Speaker 1: I kind of struggle with him. But yeah, when you

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Speaker 1: can get after the quarterback with that type of edge speed, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know you're gonna go high. I mean there's a

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Speaker 1: chance he could go top fifty, top sixty, especially if

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Speaker 1: he goes to the combine and runs a you know

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Speaker 1: four or five three, which he might. Yeah, medicals will

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Speaker 1: be important with him. He's been dinged up over his career.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, that edge speed to get after the quarterback.

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Speaker 1: I'm with you. Terrey is definitely a name to keep

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Speaker 1: on the radar. Absolutely, all right, thank you, David. That

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Speaker 1: Star in Friscope. Uh, we're gonna get into a little

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Speaker 1: bit of twitter on the What do you got from me, David?

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Speaker 1: I got, I got some good questions for y'all, which

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Speaker 1: appreciate that. I like that. We just did a lengthy

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Speaker 1: State safety Marcus Allen. I'll be honest, I noticed him

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Speaker 1: like twice the entire week of practice. You know what,

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Speaker 1: He's here's another guy that to me, Yeah, the film

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Speaker 1: that Actually, the film is not bad. I love the film.

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Speaker 1: The film is really good. And he but he didn't

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Speaker 1: show up in some of the coverage stuff and things

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Speaker 1: like that that I was, you know, you there were

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Speaker 1: some guys that were around the ball more than what

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Speaker 1: Marcus Allen, but man, I and that, and that's unlike

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Speaker 1: his film at Penn State, because at Penn State he's

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Speaker 1: around the ball and he's a box guy. You know,

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Speaker 1: he's downhill, he's attacking, attacking exactly. He's got one of

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Speaker 1: the best batting averages as a tackler of any safety

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Speaker 1: in this class, no doubt. So in practice isn't necessarily

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Speaker 1: the setting tag offs and stuff, right, so I can understand.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't bother me in the least that he didn't

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Speaker 1: jump out of practice. It's just funny. But you talked

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Speaker 1: about the Hawaii safety. Yeah, as a guy that you

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Speaker 1: noticed he knows well in coverage during practice and then

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Speaker 1: I thought during the game he was a better tackler

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Speaker 1: than perspect it. So, yeah, Marcus Allen to me is

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Speaker 1: still the top senior safety at nothing at the Senior

534
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Speaker 1: Bowl changed my mind. Yeah, I don't. I don't disagree.

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Speaker 1: I think he's a really good player myself. Follow up

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Speaker 1: from Drew about a guy who pulled out of the

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Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. Just give me an I don't know, give

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Speaker 1: me your thoughts on Harold Landry. And he's a guy

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Speaker 1: that I mean, people talk about him as a first

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Speaker 1: round pick. They certainly did coming into the season, not

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Speaker 1: so much recently, but I got to imagine that's just

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Speaker 1: recency bias more than anything else. Right, Yeah, he's tough

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Speaker 1: because he didn't have the senior year we expected. His

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Speaker 1: junior film was a lot better. Um. I talked to

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Speaker 1: him recently and he told me that the ankle is

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Speaker 1: just not one yet and that's why you pulled an

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Speaker 1: out of the Senior Bowl. But he expects to be

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Speaker 1: fully healthy for the combine hopefully is uh so he can,

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Speaker 1: you know, just get some numbers on him because he

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Speaker 1: can get around the edge and attack the quarterback. It's

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Speaker 1: it's it's get him on my team, right. But you

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Speaker 1: hate to look at the senior film and say, we

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Speaker 1: kind of have to ignore this game can't really count,

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Speaker 1: you know, like the Notre Dame film, you know, like

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Speaker 1: what do we do with this? It's the fewer the

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Speaker 1: question marks, the better, And with Harold Landry. There are

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Speaker 1: more question marks than you want. Yeah, that's one of

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Speaker 1: those things you have to go back and watch other film.

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Speaker 1: But I agree with Dane. I mean, here's a guy

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Speaker 1: that can rush the past. You do see some ability

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Speaker 1: when he when he's on I mean to dip, you know,

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Speaker 1: the way he's able to close the finish. Those are

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Speaker 1: all very productive things about him, good traits that you want.

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Speaker 1: But his senior year wasn't as good, and you know,

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Speaker 1: maybe the injury had a lot to do with that.

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Speaker 1: Dustin wants to know how did Marcus Davenport's senior Bowl

567
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Speaker 1: week compare to other small school guys that you can remember,

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Speaker 1: you know, just in term you know what you want

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Speaker 1: to see from a guy coming from a small school.

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Speaker 1: How do you do this? I'm not saying that by

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Speaker 1: us a smaller school, but yeah, where he didn't have

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Speaker 1: a great week and all of a sudden he showed

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Speaker 1: up in the game. Well, and he showed up as

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Speaker 1: a rookie in the NFL. You know, he still went

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Speaker 1: in top five, or he might have been six that year.

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Speaker 1: Now he's five. Parkiebius Mingo went six. I think, well, uh,

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Speaker 1: he's thirteen draft Uh so you know, I think that's

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Speaker 1: that's the first thing that comes to mind where And

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Speaker 1: I think people were a little harsh on Davenport this

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Speaker 1: week because he watched the film and you see you

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Speaker 1: see a raw pass rusher. You see a guy that

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Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily know what knows what he's doing. This is

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Speaker 1: a guy that was a basketball player growing up, played

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Speaker 1: wide receiver in high school from most of high school,

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Speaker 1: and moved to pass rusher. Was two hundred pounds as

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Speaker 1: a senior in high school. He's put on sixty pounds

587
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Speaker 1: in the last four years. He's still figuring things out.

588
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 1: The light bulb is not fully illuminated yet. I think

589
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: once he gets pro coaching, it's really going to turn

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Speaker 1: on for him. So I don't I think because some

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Speaker 1: in the national media propped up Davenport as a potential

592
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Speaker 1: top ten, top ten pick, people were overly harsh on

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Speaker 1: him this week. But I think based on the tape,

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Speaker 1: he was how I expected. A guy that looks exactly

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Speaker 1: how you want a defensive on the look, uses his hands,

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Speaker 1: but there's just no rhyme or reason to what he's

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Speaker 1: doing out there. So I think he needs time. But

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Speaker 1: he's still absolutely a first round pick. In my mind,

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Speaker 1: I was very critical of him and the initially started

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Speaker 1: practice and I went back in the last two days,

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Speaker 1: I've done nothing but watch practice tape, and there was

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Speaker 1: almost every other play he was getting held. You know,

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking, Okay, why is he not doing this? Why

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00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 1: is he not doing that? You watch him when they

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Speaker 1: when they had the two minute drill, when the when

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Speaker 1: the South was practiced in two minute drill, he tips

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Speaker 1: a ball that ends up being an interception that it

608
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 1: kills the drill. I mean, he comes around the corner

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Speaker 1: and just I mean and just with the reach with

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Speaker 1: his left hand, reaches and hits the ball and now

611
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 1: it goes fluttering down the field. So you went from

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Speaker 1: high to low back to high. Yeah, I went from

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Speaker 1: a guy that you know, you know, you're I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think Dane's absolutely right. I think there was so

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Speaker 1: much put on him initially coming out, and everybody's like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I don't see it. I don't see it. The overcomb

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Speaker 1: and say, and the overcompen say, and now you have

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Speaker 1: to kind of go back and say, but I'm watching

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Speaker 1: the practice tape. I'm serious, I'm watching the practice tape

620
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Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, oh, he would have won that one. Oh,

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Speaker 1: he would have won that one. Oh, he would have

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Speaker 1: won that one. And I think I think fans do

623
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Speaker 1: it with Josh Allen. Fans do it where some people

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Speaker 1: think Josh Allen's a top five pick, and some people

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Speaker 1: just because they don't see a top five pick, they

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Speaker 1: go over the top to kind of knock him down

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Speaker 1: too because he's not they don't see a top five pick.

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Speaker 1: He might still be worth a first round pick, but

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Speaker 1: they just overcompensate. And I think that's what happened to market.

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Speaker 1: You have him so high and then all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: because we were talking about what you take him at

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Speaker 1: nineteen yeah, and I'm and I'm Sarah going, now I'm

633
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Speaker 1: looking at it, going, hell, yeah, I take him at nineteen. Well.

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Speaker 1: I also think I tried to get Dane to say

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Speaker 1: this while we were in Mobile. He's always too diplomatic

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Speaker 1: for that. But I this is purely anecdotal on my part,

637
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 1: but I just felt like the pool of pass rushers

638
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: that this Senior Bowl wasn't as deep as it usually is.

639
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: And that's not you know, it's not that there's always

640
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 1: these first round badasses, but there's usually like five or

641
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 1: six guys. You know, I think back to a couple

642
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: of years ago, like Adolphus Washington and Austin Johnson. I

643
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: think it was the same year Kuran Reid was there,

644
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 1: like the kid that the Eagles drafted, Herley Marcus Smith

645
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 1: was that, Like, yeah, there's usually five or six dudes

646
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: that are kind of drawing your attention, and this year

647
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: the Stanford kid, Phillips and and Davenport, and it didn't

648
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: really seem like there were a lot of other guys

649
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: that you're talking about as early picks and least. I mean,

650
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: that's my that's the way I read it. Yeah, I'm

651
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 1: not talking about I mean, I'm watching Griffin Rush. I'm

652
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: watching Griffin Rush and they haven't blocked him. Yeah, they don't.

653
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 1: They don't. They didn't block him. My guy, my guy

654
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 1: from Humboldt State, Alex Cappa, who I think Alex Cappa

655
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: is a good player. I do. From Humboldt State. I

656
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: went back and watched him. You know, oh, kid, he's

657
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: blocking against guys that are probably accountants and pharmacists and

658
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: stuff like that. Yeah, but but he's but he's also

659
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 1: you could see him doing some good things against some

660
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 1: of these but when you know when those I'm thinking, Man,

661
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: these guys are winning. They're winning against some guys that

662
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 1: looked like some good pass blockers. Yeah. I mean with Kappa,

663
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: you saw a guy that has the finishing tenacity that

664
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 1: you want, the foot quickness. It just the technique, and

665
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 1: that's really what you expect from a smaller school guy.

666
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 1: The technique, the pad level. Yeah, some of the more

667
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 1: finer points of the games. The details just needs to

668
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 1: show her up. Let me ask you a question. Let

669
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 1: me ask you a question about that better better small

670
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: school prospect, Better small school prospect. You guys love to

671
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 1: go in for these Shepherd Division three guys. Shepherd, Shepherd.

672
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 1: I don't care who else you say. It's Shepherd. It

673
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: only took Shepherd over Kappa. It only took day, like

674
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 1: a day to come to that conclusion too, because he

675
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 1: broke his hand on Wednesday. Yeah, he only played, He

676
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: only had a practice and a half. I loved it.

677
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 1: Watched the West Georgia tape of this kid play. I

678
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 1: have to look back and see which tapes I watched.

679
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 1: You go back and watch which Georgia. Okay, that's our

680
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 1: guy going going against our big tackle. Oh Desmond Harrison. Yeah, yeah,

681
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: he rushed them from the outside. Oh yeah, he got him.

682
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:47,719
Speaker 1: He's out on the outside of quite a bit. Who

683
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 1: won those battles? Watch the tape and find out. Watch

684
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 1: the tape and find out. I went, No, I don't

685
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: don't think I watched the West Georgia tapas. I would

686
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 1: have remembered that matchup. Oh, feel free to go upstairs

687
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: with me some day and do that. I think the

688
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 1: ones I watched were or maybe Delta stage about Southern

689
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 1: Do you watch Southern University? Remember it was dark, it

690
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 1: was dark out. I remember that. I have to look

691
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: shaped it well. But no, I liked him coming in

692
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 1: and do it through a half. You know what. No,

693
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:16,879
Speaker 1: he and he's and I'm not. I'm I'm just having

694
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 1: fun with what's your answer to that question? I would

695
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 1: take the I would I think the the upside of

696
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:26,359
Speaker 1: the of the humbold tackle is more. Okay, I do.

697
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: I think I think that he I think that you

698
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 1: can to me, he does look like a good athlete.

699
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 1: There's some things when you're watching him play and there

700
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 1: you know, he's running on screens and outside plays in

701
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: space and stuff. He looks like a really good athlete.

702
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 1: You know, and in the sets and things like that.

703
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 1: He had some struggles in the Senior Bowl. But I

704
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 1: mean a lot of guys did. Guys from Oregon had struggles.

705
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: Guy from Army had strugg I mean, everybody's had struggles

706
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: from small from bigger schools. I I I don't, I don't.

707
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 1: I don't disrespect Shepherd, but from what I saw of

708
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 1: his college tape, I think that I would say, if

709
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 1: you gave me a choice between the two, I take

710
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 1: the other. So you like Kappa better than Parker? The

711
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: North Carolina and t Town. Now wait a minute there,

712
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: whoa just a second there, buddy, I'll say this different guy.

713
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 1: One looks stronger. Parker looks stronger. And I wrote about Parker,

714
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 1: they're a bigger guy longer. Yeah. Humboldt State is in

715
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: a part of California. Oh yeah, I've never even of

716
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 1: north of Bakersfield. Maybe it's like four hours north of

717
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: San Francisco. It's like basically Oregon. I didn't even know.

718
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: It's the kids looks like Robert Gallery with his hair

719
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:43,840
Speaker 1: and all that, you know, in the stance and everything

720
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 1: that humbold State almost lost their program. But good on

721
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 1: the boosters. Parker State Parker. Well, I like Parker though too.

722
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 1: He's I have him higher rated than Kappa. That's why

723
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: North Carolina A and T. Right. Okay, Dave, I'm sorry,

724
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 1: go ahead on that. Ye have you have? You have

725
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: Humboldt State higher than Parker? Uh? No, I have North

726
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 1: Carolina A and T over North Carolina. Right. Quick question, Um,

727
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 1: do you think at Humboldt State they serve their players

728
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: Humboldt pie YEA or no? I think that the Jacks

729
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,320
Speaker 1: sorry because their nickname the Jack. I got a question

730
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,399
Speaker 1: for you, Dane that you'll appreciate being the Ohio guy

731
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 1: that you are and just just pretend like none of

732
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: that happened. Yeah, I just did. Uh. Matt wants to

733
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: know about Tae Kwon Lewis and Jalen Holmes and how

734
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 1: they did, how you feel about them, where you put them,

735
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:38,320
Speaker 1: all that good stuff. Taekwon Lewis both Ohio State prospects.

736
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:42,320
Speaker 1: For those of you that don't know, Tayquan Lewis is

737
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 1: as reliable a defensive end as you could ask for. Um,

738
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 1: he's not going to be the scream off the edge

739
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, really threatened the corner on every snap.

740
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: But he can hold up versus the run, he can

741
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: set the edge, and he can also play with power

742
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: as a rusher. And he's not a bad athlete either.

743
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 1: He's just not that, you know, explosive get off type

744
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,800
Speaker 1: of guy. But he's just a solid defensive endue. I

745
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 1: think he's gonna have a long career in the NFL.

746
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 1: And then Holmes, here's a guy that was just buried

747
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 1: on the death chart when you think of about the

748
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 1: bosas being there, Hubbard Lewis, he had a tough tub

749
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 1: of getting on the field A lot of times. When

750
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 1: he got on the field, it was as an interior player,

751
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 1: just to get the four best pass rushers out there.

752
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 1: At the Senior Bowl, it was up and down. I

753
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 1: thought he was one of those guys I wrote about

754
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 1: going into the Senior Bowl, one of the ten storylines.

755
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 1: I thought he had a chance to kind of step

756
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 1: out of that shadow. He didn't do it as much

757
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,360
Speaker 1: as I wanted, but I still think you saw the

758
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: talent he got Will Hernandez on a pretty good rep

759
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 1: one on one that showed off his skill set, which

760
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 1: not many people got Will Hernandez this week, but Holmes did.

761
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: So he had a solid week I think he You know,

762
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,919
Speaker 1: he's right there in the third fourth round range. I'll

763
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 1: tell you with Lewis, though I liked him better on

764
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 1: the game film playing as a tackle, it was a

765
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: subtackle to be honest with. He did that ohouse state. Yeah,

766
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 1: I mean, here's the guy. He can knock people off balance.

767
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,839
Speaker 1: Your eyes powerful. He's a powerful guy, but he could

768
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:03,879
Speaker 1: also get knocked off a balance too. But I kind

769
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: of like some of the work that he was able

770
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: to do inside. I really did keep an eye on

771
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:11,359
Speaker 1: that Urban Meyer. He said there's three players that he's

772
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 1: ever coached that stand out as the toughest he's ever coached,

773
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 1: Tim Tebow, John Simon and Taykewe knows. Yeah, can I

774
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 1: get Lewis at eighty one or is that too late? No?

775
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 1: I think he could. Yeah, I think he'll be there aday. See.

776
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 1: It's tough because some teams really value just that consistency,

777
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 1: like he's never gonna make a Pro Bowl's But some

778
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: teams are not all gonna make Pro Bowls, right, and

779
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: some teams are gonna reach for that upside. Some teams

780
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 1: are okay with just a consistent type of player. And

781
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:42,399
Speaker 1: so yeah, I mean right now, I've got Lewis, where

782
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 1: do I have him as a three four? So bring

783
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 1: it on. He could be there at eighty one. Bring

784
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:48,959
Speaker 1: it on. I'm really gonna put y'all on the spot

785
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: here with a question from Ernie. Just y'all are gonna

786
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: hate this, and I don't care. He wants to know

787
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 1: how many wide receivers are out there that you think

788
00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 1: could help on day one. He's one of the draft

789
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 1: Day one of not for this team, the day one

790
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,720
Speaker 1: for this team, like you draft him and they're playing

791
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 1: a significant role immediately. Um, we know Calvin Ridley. I

792
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 1: think we both agree that. Yeah, we do agree on Ridley. Um,

793
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:15,359
Speaker 1: so we don't need to talk about him. I think

794
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: the problem is are they going to beat out who's

795
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 1: already in the roster? I know, well, I don't know Ernie,

796
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: but if I had to guess, he's trying to get

797
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 1: rid of Dez Bryant. He's just like by Dez R

798
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: by eighty eight. So he's looking for one. Is what

799
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:33,320
Speaker 1: he's looking for is looking yeah or yeah or whatever

800
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 1: a guy who's one of your top three receivers immediately,

801
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:41,799
Speaker 1: Which that's my whole thing about, you know, the disconnect

802
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 1: there is. I mean, unless Dez Bryant's not on the team,

803
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 1: I don't see a guy who's gonna do that, unless

804
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 1: you get maybe Calvin Riddley. You say, let's say the

805
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,839
Speaker 1: top three. Let me say ask you about receivers. Come back,

806
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 1: what what? What about Miller from Memphis? I like Miller

807
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: a lot. Miller's got the kind of fla to his

808
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: game that I think they could translate well and I

809
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: but I don't have him as high as I mean.

810
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking about a guy Anthony Miller, that's right. Yeah,

811
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about a guy who's got some flare to

812
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:19,800
Speaker 1: his game, big playability. You know that you you plug

813
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 1: him in, and yeah, these guys are gonna it happens

814
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: every year, with the exception of of recently or a

815
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: guy in New Orleans Thomas Michael Thomas. Yeah, he stepped

816
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: in right off the jump. Well, it's it's tough I

817
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: think of receiver. I mean, there's no depends on where

818
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,320
Speaker 1: you go too. You got to play. You go to

819
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: a place like Drew Brees throwing you the football is

820
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 1: a lot different sure than you know. And even Dak Prescott, Yeah, exactly,

821
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 1: that's not a knockoff exactly. So, I mean you could

822
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,439
Speaker 1: be you could be a guy that separates and does

823
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 1: all this and all that. They gotta get you the football.

824
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:57,879
Speaker 1: It's hard to I mean I think of it. If

825
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 1: you want a receiver who's gonna make a contract fusion immediately,

826
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: I think you gotta get him in the top one

827
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 1: hundred picks. Which it's doable. It's doable. Yeah, Terrence Williams

828
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 1: even which say what you will about him, but he

829
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: was pick eighty. I think something him and third round somewhere. Yeah,

830
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,800
Speaker 1: he was pick eighty. I love to throw Jarvis Landry

831
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: out there. He was picked seventy eight and he's set.

832
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 1: He owns the NFL record for most receptions through his

833
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 1: rookie contract or whatever. Then I mean, or you could

834
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: draft a Laquon Treadwell twenty second overall, who has ten

835
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 1: catches in two years or whatever. Let me ask a question,

836
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: say the Cowboys draft Michael Gallop into the second or

837
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 1: third round, do you think he could beat out Terrence

838
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 1: Willie Yes, day one, Yes, Okay, well there's one right there. Yeah, man,

839
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: I'm looking. That's what I'm saying, Gallop. I have Gallop

840
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: ahead of Miller, but I was just thinking about a

841
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 1: receiver that might be that surprised guy you know Memphis,

842
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:56,879
Speaker 1: think about guys you know that, Yeah, I'm DJ Moore. Yeah,

843
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 1: I'm thinking probably six guys like just I mean, I

844
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 1: see like Isaac Bruce from Memphis back in the day,

845
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 1: second round pick, all sudden, he just comes in and

846
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:10,800
Speaker 1: is great player. Ridley? Who's our other Kirk? Ridley? Kirk

847
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:18,840
Speaker 1: more gallop um scouts about Kirk? Guys, weren't him jumping

848
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 1: up and down like we were? I mean, I'm talking

849
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 1: spots about their teams, not are not my guys? Are

850
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: our guys that live in this building? What do we

851
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: talk about with Kirk? He lived in the slot, that's

852
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 1: where he played. Can he go to the outside. Not

853
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 1: Everyone is convinced in the NFL that he can just

854
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 1: flawlessly make that move outside. That surprised me because I

855
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: wanted to know about those receivers. Everybody loves more from

856
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 1: Maryland because he's awesome. Yeah, everybody loves Ridley. Yeah, you know,

857
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: and I was asking guys, you see Ridley there at

858
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Speaker 1: nineteen and these guys were like, I don't think so, Brian,

859
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Speaker 1: I don't I don't think so. That's nicer than I

860
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: thought it would be. Yeah, scouts love to answer your

861
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Speaker 1: question with like a are you stupid? Kind No, No,

862
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 1: they did, but they but when I asked him about Kirk,

863
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:05,720
Speaker 1: they were kind of the of the I don't know, Brian,

864
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Speaker 1: I don't think so. I don't you know. I wouldn't

865
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Speaker 1: go there. Wait, this is actually this is a great

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Speaker 1: segue if we get to go to this one more question,

867
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Speaker 1: Dave and I gotta get a break. Okay, well we'll

868
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Speaker 1: just do it then, um protect the Star. Once an

869
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 1: NFL comparison for Christian Kirk, which have fun? M you

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Speaker 1: got one? Brian? Is he? Is he a faster? Is

871
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: he a faster Steve Smith? Size wise? I like? I

872
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Speaker 1: like Dj Moore as the Steve Smith's I thought that's

873
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 1: the one that we agreed on. But aren't they both

874
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 1: kind of that five ten two hundred pound range? Once too? Twelve?

875
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: Am I right about? What is more? Is more of

876
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 1: a just to me? The physical say, is Christian Kirk

877
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 1: is like physical as I'm just thinking about size wise comparisons? Yeah,

878
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 1: more is more of the bulkier guy kirkstick two hundred pounds? Yeah,

879
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 1: well yeah, cut that out as a drop immediately more

880
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:06,959
Speaker 1: might be twenty pounds more than Kirk is. So yeah,

881
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 1: I don't know. Kirk has to think about that to

882
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:13,839
Speaker 1: get a direct comparison for him. I don't know. It's

883
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 1: it's tough because again, can you play outside. That's we're

884
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,280
Speaker 1: gonna just say. He's just compared him to a slot receiver.

885
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 1: You know, that's a big, big part of his evaluation.

886
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 1: I would take more over Kirk myself. There you go,

887
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 1: really I would. I wonder you're a Kirk. I like Kirk,

888
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 1: but I mean I so it is more your number

889
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:35,280
Speaker 1: two receiver behind Ridley. I wonder about DJ Moore because

890
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 1: I feel like by the time it's all said and done,

891
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 1: it's early. Well, but I talk about a guy that

892
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,320
Speaker 1: played with some bad quarterbacks. I feel like the pat

893
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 1: a pass from eight different quarterbacks over his creer. Yeah,

894
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 1: I feel like we'll be talking about him as a

895
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: first round guy by the should be all over. Yeah, Like,

896
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: didn't mix it right. Well, when this whole thing started,

897
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: you're like, well, maybe you can get him at fifty.

898
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 1: And I feel like by the time it's all over,

899
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 1: it's like I would rather him than that notre Dame kid.

900
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 1: When him at nineteen took Fuller. Yeah, well when you

901
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 1: kind of when we finished the draft class, the Washington

902
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: kid that Cincinnati took, I can't remember names anymore. John Ross,

903
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 1: I know at school last year. I know top ten.

904
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: So I'm saying I thought, that's one of those ones

905
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: where while it's happening, you're like, this is stupid. But

906
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: hey whatever, Yeah, he had a rookie season to forget.

907
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:25,919
Speaker 1: So yeah, so it's a guy Minnesota. Did our guy

908
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 1: have a rookie year to forget? Or was it just

909
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 1: like he's had a career to forget so far? It

910
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 1: was just a rookie year. It wasn't. I don't know.

911
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 1: Are we talking about treadwell? No, oh no, I'm talking

912
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 1: about Taco. Sorry, oh no, I'm about treadwell. I wasn't treadwell. Yeah,

913
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Speaker 1: as a receiver, treadwells my it's two bad years back

914
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Speaker 1: to back. Tread well. That's tratulation. Now wear it around

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Speaker 1: your neck. Treadwell hurts. But I don't think Taco had

916
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 1: a rookie year to forget. Yeah, he just had a

917
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Speaker 1: he had a year, all right, He just had a year.

918
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Speaker 1: Thanks everybody that tweeted in questions. We appreciate it. As always,

919
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Speaker 1: We're gonna take a break. Come back, we'll get into

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Speaker 1: It means you've got the passion and the heart to

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Speaker 1: while we got we got about ten minutes here. I

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977
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Speaker 1: get your question on the air live. If you didn't

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979
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Speaker 1: we can grab some calls here in the last ten

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Speaker 1: minutes of the show again once again something the left

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Speaker 1: That makes sure you're nice to Kent. Everybody's doing well

984
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Speaker 1: and if he can just get your question, that will

985
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Speaker 1: help us. We'll maybe get to a few more down

986
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Speaker 1: the line. I want to get into you. You ranked

987
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Speaker 1: though your top fifteen Senior Bowl performers, and that's the

988
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Speaker 1: tape and all that stuff, and it wasn't just the

989
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 1: top fifteen players, right, Yeah, I mean, and I want

990
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Speaker 1: to get it because we there's some of these guys

991
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: we didn't get into. Yeah, and I'll focus on number

992
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 1: fifteen if I could, okay, and that would be Isaiah.

993
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 1: Get him? Yeah, it goes enough that works. Your confidence

994
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 1: was not very impressive. I mean, no, get him? I

995
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Speaker 1: think is how you pronounce that? Yeah, I was trying

996
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 1: to listen to how they said that. Why I a

997
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 1: D O M. Boston Boston College. I do like the player.

998
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 1: I'll tell you why I liked the player because I

999
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 1: felt like he was the one guy in the one

1000
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 1: on one coverages that always got his head around. Yeah,

1001
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 1: and from press, from press. Yeah, he's a long, rangy guy,

1002
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:17,360
Speaker 1: that seven thirty two and yeah, quarter in charms. And

1003
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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. I liked him because of how

1004
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 1: he played with his eyes. Yeah. You know, a lot

1005
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,879
Speaker 1: of these guys don't find the ball. You can't make

1006
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 1: a play on the ball if you don't look for

1007
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 1: it and the ball going down the field. He made

1008
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Speaker 1: those plays. I'm glad you put them in there. Well,

1009
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 1: that's exactly why he saw a patient feet and press.

1010
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 1: The ability to turn run hip to hip with receivers

1011
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 1: down the field and then after saying yeah, turn your head,

1012
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 1: locate the ball and try to make a play. I mean,

1013
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,799
Speaker 1: that's that's something that showed up routinely during practice. So

1014
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 1: I thought he helped himself. We talked about Sean Hamilton,

1015
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 1: he's number fourteen. We talked about Alex Kappa from the

1016
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 1: tackle from Humboldt State. Didn't look out of place, did

1017
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 1: not look out of place at all. We talked about

1018
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Speaker 1: Brandon Parker, offensive tackle North Carolina, A and T. We

1019
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 1: talked a little bit, Hey, but you I want to

1020
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 1: get in a little bit more about Treyvon Henderson, the

1021
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 1: strong safety from Hawaii. Yeah, like I said, he impressed me,

1022
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Speaker 1: moving in reverse, going up against tight ends. I had

1023
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Speaker 1: a little bit of that secondary burst when he was

1024
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:19,320
Speaker 1: closing on routes so he can make a play on

1025
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 1: the ball. He just he looked comfortable in what he

1026
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 1: was doing, and on the Hawaii tape, I didn't always

1027
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 1: see that, especially in coverage and then downhill, coming to balance, rapping,

1028
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 1: finishing tackles. Now, that obviously is harder to see during practice,

1029
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 1: but you saw it in the game. So he earned

1030
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Speaker 1: his place. Henderson did on this list, and he's one

1031
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:41,760
Speaker 1: of those guys where you're going back to the tape

1032
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 1: and saying, Okay, what did I miss? Make sure you're

1033
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 1: watching more games, just trying to do more work on him.

1034
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Speaker 1: Super excited to hear that because I think I've said

1035
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 1: before it seems like the scouting report on every safety

1036
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 1: is like, what's great going downhill and tackling? Yeah, I

1037
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 1: don't know about going backward right. I want to say, no,

1038
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 1: you need guy that could play in the back end.

1039
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Speaker 1: Find me in safety who looks comfortable in coverage. Number

1040
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Speaker 1: ten Jalen Samuel's running back North Carolina State. I don't

1041
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 1: think there's any question that Rashad Penny is the best

1042
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 1: ball carrier that we saw in Mobile. But in terms

1043
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Speaker 1: of if you're a team that wants to do everything, guy, block,

1044
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 1: catch the ball in the backfield, Jalen Dames might be

1045
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 1: a guy more so than Penny. Well, I was thinking

1046
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:25,720
Speaker 1: about my LSU guy being that guy. Well, he belongs

1047
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Speaker 1: to the conversation too. Yeah, I like Samuel's better. Yeah,

1048
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Speaker 1: but Daryl Williams. Aryl Williams at LSU was missus, Dave,

1049
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Speaker 1: I don't care what you say. Well, but I don't

1050
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Speaker 1: think it's that he was a missus. He was miss used.

1051
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 1: He shouldn't have played over guys. No, but you know,

1052
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:43,839
Speaker 1: come up with some things creatively to the showcase. I

1053
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 1: think that the coaches, I think the coaches of the

1054
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 1: Bronco coaches did a better job of showcasing things he

1055
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 1: could do catching the football. You're saying, letting him play

1056
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:58,240
Speaker 1: wildcat quarterbacks not creative enough for you. No, I'm talking

1057
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 1: about things that he could do as running back. He's

1058
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 1: he's vastly underrated through no fault of his own, because

1059
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 1: it's hard to take away, it's hard to give him

1060
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:09,479
Speaker 1: touches when Leonard Fournett and Darius guys for the guys

1061
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:11,280
Speaker 1: in front of him, He's just gonna be the latest.

1062
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 1: But Samuel Samuel a complete guy, your completer guy does everyone.

1063
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 1: He played tight end in college, he played, he split

1064
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 1: out and played wide receiver. He lined up in the backfield.

1065
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 1: He does everything, and he does it well. No linebacker

1066
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 1: could stick with him during uh, with his routes as

1067
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 1: a pass catcher. And that's not necessarily surprising because we

1068
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 1: saw him do it weekend week out at NC State.

1069
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 1: Yeah again, I'm looking forward. I need to see I

1070
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 1: need to see him. Uh. We talked about the DJ

1071
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 1: Chark a little bit, what he was able to do

1072
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 1: and helped himself. He's sure he helped himself get into

1073
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 1: a number eight DeShawn hand defensive lineman Obama Alabama. It

1074
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 1: wasn't always consistent, but it's when he won that made

1075
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 1: you go oh wow, Yeah, it made you kind of

1076
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 1: sit up in your seat a little bit. Especially he

1077
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 1: was one of the few, one of the old only

1078
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 1: ones to be Isaiah win the entire week. Yeah. Uh.

1079
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 1: And he did it with power, did it with just

1080
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 1: stubborn hands. Uh, quickness, DeShawn Hands a guy that at

1081
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:14,359
Speaker 1: Alabama didn't necessarily get a chance to just get after it.

1082
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 1: You know, he had certain responsibilities that didn't allow him

1083
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 1: to kind of show his full skill set. So I

1084
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 1: thought he'd helped himself. Deshaun Hand did during the week

1085
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 1: of practice. I put himself in that top one hunter conversation. Yeah,

1086
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,840
Speaker 1: I liked him. I like how physical. He was, very physical,

1087
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: I mean, and with the quickness too. I mean, big

1088
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:35,319
Speaker 1: guy and powered him. Yeah, and he's a little bit

1089
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:37,320
Speaker 1: of a tweeter. He's only two hundred and eighty two pounds,

1090
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 1: but I think that he looked big and when the

1091
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 1: number nine, yeah, it looked kind of funny on him.

1092
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 1: But the quick I mean he looks square. The way

1093
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 1: he played, I'll play him inside, I'll play him out. Yeah,

1094
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 1: that's would be that big defensive end. Yeah, I'm inside.

1095
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 1: Gives him pass rush quickness to him and gaps right,

1096
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:57,799
Speaker 1: he can play insider outside. Okay, bring it on. Got

1097
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 1: Griffin from US from CF. He had to make the

1098
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 1: list again. He's gonna get favorite player. I guess my

1099
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 1: pet cat fourth round. I have fourth round grade on.

1100
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 1: He'll get drafted. He'll play on special teams for a

1101
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 1: long time. Play him in sub package. He's gonna be

1102
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 1: a solid pro. That's gonna be the narrative. It's gonna

1103
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 1: be for him. No, I mean, hey, that's I'll be

1104
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 1: interested to see how things work out at the at

1105
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:22,919
Speaker 1: the whole thing with the Combine. He needs to be there.

1106
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:24,839
Speaker 1: He'll be there. He needs to be there, he needs

1107
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 1: to be working out. Teams need to get closer to

1108
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:28,920
Speaker 1: this kid. Do you think that he wouldn't be for

1109
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 1: some reason? Well, it's this according to Mike Mayock, that

1110
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 1: he hadn't been hadn't received an invitation yet, he'll be there.

1111
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:36,320
Speaker 1: It's a month away. Now, let's hope he does get it.

1112
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 1: It feels like such. I'm giving him your invitation if

1113
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 1: you don't. Hey, no, I wasn't invited. First of all,

1114
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 1: I applied for a credential. There's a difference. We can

1115
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:46,879
Speaker 1: get him a credential with the Dallas Cowboys dot Com

1116
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 1: staff of that love to have him around. It's it's

1117
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 1: a winner. I feel like there's a shorter gap usually

1118
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 1: between the Senior Bowl and the Combine because it's a

1119
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 1: solid month away, so we'll give us more time to

1120
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 1: look at some more tape. Sure James Washington, wide receiver,

1121
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:02,879
Speaker 1: Oklahoma at number six. Now we get into the top five.

1122
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield, Oklahoma, number five. We've talked about him a

1123
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 1: little bit. Our Oklahoma defensive end outside linebacker okawom run

1124
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 1: got Oka Runquell and I gotta come up like I

1125
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:19,800
Speaker 1: gotta come up with a nickname. We say Cheeto instead

1126
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 1: of exactly how to come up with Yeah, exactly, we'll

1127
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:24,879
Speaker 1: get we'll get to all that. But he's number four.

1128
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 1: Will her Nandez the darling number three. Now this is

1129
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:32,319
Speaker 1: what Now, this is where it gets really interesting for me.

1130
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 1: In Dane's numbers. At number three he has will Hernandez,

1131
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 1: and at number one he has Isaiah Winn. So two

1132
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 1: of his three best players from the Senior Bowl were guards.

1133
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 1: I think that probably jives with what people were saying

1134
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:51,320
Speaker 1: all week though, I mean, and Nathan Shephard, the defensive

1135
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 1: tackle from Fort Hayes, was number two, and I'm I mean,

1136
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 1: I feel like Hernandez kind of came in with a

1137
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:01,239
Speaker 1: little bit of hype, like so he was pushing Win.

1138
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:07,239
Speaker 1: But I feel like when he might be, he's probably right.

1139
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:09,399
Speaker 1: I think Win was not that he's not a good player.

1140
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 1: I think he was more of a surprise in terms

1141
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 1: of what people expected to see from him. At least

1142
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:15,240
Speaker 1: that's my perspective. I take either one of those guys,

1143
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 1: but I think when there's something about Win, he's so good.

1144
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 1: I was mapping out, mapping out my top fifty players.

1145
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 1: He came at number twenty one. There you go. He

1146
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 1: just I mean, you run out of reasons why you

1147
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 1: shouldn't like him. And he practiced this entire week with

1148
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 1: a torn labor He's having surgery this week. Oh wow. Yeah,

1149
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 1: So he's just he's just a darn good player. And

1150
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 1: again we saw it a left tackle all this year.

1151
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 1: Uh you know he's gonna move inside the guard. He

1152
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 1: just he rarely got beat. You see the quickness, you

1153
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 1: see the technique, You see the power the hips give

1154
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 1: me Isaiah win and see and that's not anything against

1155
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 1: will her Nandez, because will her Nandez had a great

1156
00:57:56,680 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 1: week himself. The power of the quickness, he gets off

1157
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 1: balance a little bit, and that's what kind of that's

1158
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:04,440
Speaker 1: why he's at three and not number one. When he

1159
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 1: got off balance, defenders are able to beat him. But well,

1160
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 1: her Nandez, he cemented himself as a top fifty guy.

1161
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 1: Where it is that the Cowboys met with her Nandez

1162
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 1: at a senior Bowl, they should better trade up. Wait, well,

1163
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:19,919
Speaker 1: I'm glad you said that. I mean I think both

1164
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 1: those tackles, I mean that both those guards go in

1165
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 1: the top twenty. No, I'd be surprised because I think

1166
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:28,560
Speaker 1: Win has a chance. Again, there's not twenty five better

1167
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 1: players in this draft than Isaiah Win. You just oh,

1168
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 1: but you just said you think Winn has a chance.

1169
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 1: You just said the Cowboys had to trade up to

1170
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 1: get to her Nandez. I met in the second round.

1171
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, somewhere in the thirties. I understand. Yeah, if

1172
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 1: you how far would you drop back to take Win?

1173
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 1: Not far? I mean mid twenties. Yea's what I'm saying.

1174
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 1: How how where's that line? Yeah, we got to figure

1175
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 1: that out. What if you just, hey, just pull a

1176
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 1: twenty thirteen and drop from nineteen to thirty one. And

1177
00:58:57,600 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 1: if you do that, then you're taking her Nandez and

1178
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 1: bagally you get a better pick out of it than

1179
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 1: you did that or the five spot drop would be

1180
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 1: would be uh, Georgia, m a ten to fifteen drop?

1181
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 1: How did they only get a third round pick. That

1182
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 1: was one of the few concerns I heard about Hernandez

1183
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 1: also was the guy and this is from Scouts, um

1184
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 1: as a guy that struggled to qualify at bigger schools,

1185
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 1: you test it on him. Some are questioning, you know,

1186
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 1: how long is it gonna take from to understand the

1187
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 1: playbook and you know that kind of thing. So that's

1188
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 1: that's the question that he'll have to answer during interviews.

1189
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 1: And so he still has will Hernandez has room to

1190
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 1: improve and he can still impress teams between now and

1191
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 1: the pro day and the workouts and all that. Yeah,

1192
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 1: real quick, I mean we've established Quentin Nelson is line one.

1193
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:51,840
Speaker 1: These are the next two best parts. Yeah, watch the giants.

1194
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 1: Watch the giants drop back and take him. And where

1195
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 1: do they giants? Yeah, giants or they could take him.

1196
00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 1: Watch watch the giants. Where do they rank among tackle too? Though,

1197
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 1: because other than the Oklahoma kid be all over the

1198
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 1: mount this doesn't feel like a very strong tackle class.

1199
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 1: Connor William Orlando Brown, It's gonna be all over them.

1200
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 1: It is, Okay, I hear the music. That's all the

1201
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 1: time we got. Hey, folks, thanks so much for joining

1202
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:15,440
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1203
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:17,960
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1204
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:22,240
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