WEBVTT - Puke Worms

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<v Speaker 1>School of Humans. In this series, we've already talked about

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<v Speaker 1>the roles that animals play in the search for new

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<v Speaker 1>diseases and in vaccine development. This coronavirus SARS covi two

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<v Speaker 1>most likely came from a bat originally and then maybe

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<v Speaker 1>found its way to another animal on the way to humans.

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<v Speaker 1>SARS one came from bats via Asian palm civets, while

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<v Speaker 1>mirrors came from bats, jumped to camels then to us.

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<v Speaker 1>HIV came from primates, and lots of human diseases are

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<v Speaker 1>spread by mosquitoes, like malaria, Zeka, dengae, Westnile, and yellow fever.

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<v Speaker 1>Some vaccines are grown in chicken eggs or even passed

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<v Speaker 1>through blended animal organs. In eighteen eighty five, the modern

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<v Speaker 1>era of immunization was brought in when Louis Pasteur injected

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<v Speaker 1>spinal cord material from rabbits into a nine year old

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<v Speaker 1>boy to protect him from getting rabies. Today, in the

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<v Speaker 1>early stages of development, prospective vaccines are always tested on

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<v Speaker 1>animals for safety, to make sure they won't kill or

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<v Speaker 1>sicken the person who gets it, for immune response, to

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<v Speaker 1>make sure the vaccine induces the right kind of antibodies

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<v Speaker 1>and t cell responses from the body for dosage to

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<v Speaker 1>see how much vaccine is needed to induce the right responses,

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<v Speaker 1>and to tinker with the formula to see what kind

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<v Speaker 1>of ingredients will make the vaccine lasts longer and in

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<v Speaker 1>general work better. Both the Maderna and Fiser vaccines were

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<v Speaker 1>tested in mice and Rhesus macaques at various points, although

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<v Speaker 1>because of the urgency of the pandemic, some of these

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<v Speaker 1>animal trials were happening alongside the human trials. The Oxford

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<v Speaker 1>astrasenticive vaccine is based on a virus found in chimpanzee poop,

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<v Speaker 1>and another vaccine in the works was based on a

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<v Speaker 1>virus founded in guerrilla feces. Researchers in Belgium are using

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<v Speaker 1>antibodies from llamas to create even more protection against coronavirus.

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<v Speaker 1>Animals have also been affected by coronavirus. Cats and dogs

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<v Speaker 1>have gotten the virus, so have gorillas and otters. Naughty

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<v Speaker 1>of the Tiger at the Bronxoo got it. In New

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<v Speaker 1>South Wales, Australia, fifteen dogs on their way to a

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<v Speaker 1>shelter were killed by authorities to protect humans from spreading

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<v Speaker 1>COVID during the handoff and in Denmark, seventeen million minks

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<v Speaker 1>were cold when two hundred farms found coronavirus outbreaks among

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<v Speaker 1>their animals. Almost as soon as this pandemic began, you

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<v Speaker 1>started hearing stories about COVID pets, about how the loneliness

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<v Speaker 1>of coronavirus created an opening of arms from humans to

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<v Speaker 1>dogs and cats, especially about how we weren't just using

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<v Speaker 1>animals to get us out of the pandemic, but how

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<v Speaker 1>we were using them to get through it. In this episode,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to talk to an American living in Sweden

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<v Speaker 1>who opened her arms to a new puppy, and she'll

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<v Speaker 1>tell us how it didn't work out as planned, not

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<v Speaker 1>even close. This story might make some people mad, but

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<v Speaker 1>before you listen, I ask you to put yourself in

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<v Speaker 1>the shoes of our storyteller. If you can't and you're

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<v Speaker 1>so mad you have to shout at someone, send me

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<v Speaker 1>an angry tweet at Sean Revive from my Heart Radio

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<v Speaker 1>and School of Humans. I'm Sean Revive and this is

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<v Speaker 1>long shot. My name is Marina. I live in Gothenburg, Sweden,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the second largest and first best city in Sweden.

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<v Speaker 1>But as you can probably tell, I am American, not Swedish.

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<v Speaker 1>I should start off by telling you that Marina is

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<v Speaker 1>a friend. My wife and I once stayed with her

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<v Speaker 1>in Sweden over Christmas. We ate a ton of pickled fish,

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<v Speaker 1>and because I'm like ten years old, we joked a

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<v Speaker 1>lot about Swedish chef. Anyway, Marina has been living in

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<v Speaker 1>Sweden's twenty sixteen. She loves Sweden for a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>It was her dream to live there, and she's finally

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<v Speaker 1>doing it. The first case of COVID nineteen in Sweden

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<v Speaker 1>comes in January twenty twenty, and then there are no

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<v Speaker 1>more cases until late February, and there is no confirmed

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<v Speaker 1>community spread until March. But by April, the state epidemiologist

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<v Speaker 1>of Sweden says that he believes between five and ten

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<v Speaker 1>percent of Swedes are already carrying the virus. Marina works

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<v Speaker 1>for a big Swedish tech company and eventually stops going

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<v Speaker 1>to the office and starts working from home. Working from home,

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<v Speaker 1>my daily life was like waking up, like sometimes I

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<v Speaker 1>would get dressed, sometimes I'd just wear pajamas all day.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes I'd go take a walk, sometimes I wouldn't. Like

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<v Speaker 1>I was having a really hard time sticking to any

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<v Speaker 1>sort of schedule because the days were all the same

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<v Speaker 1>and there was nothing to do. For years, Marina thought

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<v Speaker 1>about getting a dog, and like a lot of people,

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<v Speaker 1>coronavirus and the loneliness that comes with it is the

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<v Speaker 1>turning point. I was just at my wits end, like

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<v Speaker 1>so sick of just being by myself. So I decided, like,

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<v Speaker 1>now is the time I'll get a dog. I can

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<v Speaker 1>be at home and train the dog. It seemed like

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<v Speaker 1>a good idea. She has a few reasons for wanting

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<v Speaker 1>a dog. One companionship, someone to be around the house with,

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<v Speaker 1>two giving her life some structured taking a dog and walks,

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<v Speaker 1>giving the dog food. It would give me something to

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<v Speaker 1>focus on that wasn't just me. Then also this idea

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<v Speaker 1>of you know, I've lived in Sweden five years and

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<v Speaker 1>it has been challenging to make friends here and have

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<v Speaker 1>a community. And I thought that by getting a dog,

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<v Speaker 1>I would be able to meet other dog owners and

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<v Speaker 1>like it would open up my life in the human

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<v Speaker 1>sense as well. But the problem is a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people in Sweden and millions of people across the globe,

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<v Speaker 1>see the pandemic as a good reason to get a dog.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was impossible to get a dog for love

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<v Speaker 1>or money, Like, no matter how much you were willing

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<v Speaker 1>to pay, there were just like no dogs available. A

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<v Speaker 1>friend tells her that he got his dog via a

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<v Speaker 1>site called blockett. It's like a Swedish Craigslist. You can

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<v Speaker 1>buy and sell stuff on there. You can also find

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<v Speaker 1>a pet from individual owners. So that wasn't my first choice,

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<v Speaker 1>but I decided to go with it because it seemed

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<v Speaker 1>like the only way I could get a dog here.

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<v Speaker 1>So I had to message a bunch of people. Like

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<v Speaker 1>none of the dogs worked out. They were just like

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<v Speaker 1>being snapped up really quickly. There's a really hot dog market.

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<v Speaker 1>So finally, when I found this super cute little black

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<v Speaker 1>and white French bulldog puppy, I was so excited. I

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<v Speaker 1>messaged the woman, gave her my whole spiel, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was like interviewing for an apartment, Like I had to

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<v Speaker 1>sell her on choosing me as the dog owner. I

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<v Speaker 1>sort of leaned on being American because Swedish people kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like Americans by default, So I was like, I

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<v Speaker 1>live here and I live alone, and I just would

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<v Speaker 1>really love a dog. I think it would really help

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<v Speaker 1>me like integrate into Swedish society. Marina's sales pitch works

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<v Speaker 1>and she gets the dog. But the dog is two

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<v Speaker 1>hours away and she doesn't have a car or a

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<v Speaker 1>driver's license. So I asked a friend of mine, a

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<v Speaker 1>Swedish friend, to drive me there to pick up the dog.

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<v Speaker 1>So she agreed and we rented a car, went down there,

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<v Speaker 1>little road trip. She meets the dog in person. He's adorable.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a bit freaked out, obviously because a stranger is

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<v Speaker 1>taking him, but he seemed okay. He was fine in

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<v Speaker 1>the car, so he picked him up. I paid for him,

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<v Speaker 1>got all his dog paperwork, etc. It seemed fine, like

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<v Speaker 1>the woman seemed normal, and I took him home. Finally,

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<v Speaker 1>she has a dog, a companion during these shitty times.

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<v Speaker 1>But the shitty times aren't over. So Marina is home

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<v Speaker 1>in her apartment, no longer alone, but with her new puppy.

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<v Speaker 1>Before she even gets him, she does what she calls

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<v Speaker 1>a name storm, basically a brainstorming for a name with

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<v Speaker 1>ranking based on various criteria. She comes up with Roscoe. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so he's a French bulldog, like really cute little pointy

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<v Speaker 1>bat ears black and white for a little black nose,

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<v Speaker 1>and these like little puppy paws that are a bit

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<v Speaker 1>like out of proportion with his body, so they felt

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like big for him. But he was quite

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<v Speaker 1>thin when I got him, so I was like trying

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<v Speaker 1>to fatten him up a little bit. But very sweet

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<v Speaker 1>with like the most quintessential like puppy eyes. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>he would look up at you and be like the cutest.

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<v Speaker 1>Marina quickly figures out that Roscoe might need more attention

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<v Speaker 1>than an average puppy. When she picked him up. The

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<v Speaker 1>owner told Marina that Roscoe was already housebroken. He is not,

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<v Speaker 1>so he immediately just started peeing everywhere and being a puppy.

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<v Speaker 1>And at first I thought like, oh, it's because he's

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<v Speaker 1>like freaked out. He's in this new environment. He's not

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<v Speaker 1>used to me like I thought it was just how

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<v Speaker 1>puppies were, not having hot a dog before. The next

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<v Speaker 1>few days are chaos day and night. All day and night,

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<v Speaker 1>Marina is on dog duty. He wouldn't sleep through the night.

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<v Speaker 1>He wanted to play all the time. He wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>chew on everything, like things that sound like so obvious

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<v Speaker 1>to experience dog owners. I was going through it for

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<v Speaker 1>the first time, both because of the lack of sleep

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<v Speaker 1>because of his weird hours, but also just like taking

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<v Speaker 1>him out to pee a hundred times a day, and

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<v Speaker 1>he was peeing way more than was normal, but I

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<v Speaker 1>just didn't realize it at first, but he was so

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<v Speaker 1>so cute and he started like bonding with me, and

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<v Speaker 1>we were getting along as well as can be given

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<v Speaker 1>just how much work he was. By the fourth day

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<v Speaker 1>with Roscoe, Marina is exhausted, abnormally exhausted, and at first

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<v Speaker 1>she thinks it's just a lack of sleep from taking

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<v Speaker 1>care of the new puppy at all hours. So by Wednesday,

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<v Speaker 1>I was feeling like really run down and just tired,

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<v Speaker 1>and I thought it was just because of this like

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<v Speaker 1>change in my life with the dog and not being

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<v Speaker 1>prepared to have a puppy. But that I get a

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<v Speaker 1>call from my friend Sarah, the one that I went

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<v Speaker 1>to pick him up with, and she said that she

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<v Speaker 1>had tested positive for COVID and that I had been exposed.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm like, fuck, I'm gonna have to get a test.

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<v Speaker 1>She's able to get a test the next day at

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<v Speaker 1>a clinic down the street. But then I came home

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, now, what, Like I may or may

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<v Speaker 1>not have COVID, I have this dog. I still have

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<v Speaker 1>to take the dog outside. It's cruel to like not

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<v Speaker 1>take him on walks. So I spent that first day

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<v Speaker 1>just like furiously contacting doctors and like anyone that I

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<v Speaker 1>thought might have an answer to this, Like am I

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<v Speaker 1>allowed to go outside? Can I leave my apartment? And

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<v Speaker 1>if I can't, what the hell am I going to do?

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<v Speaker 1>You're probably thinking, Wait, isn't Sweden at this point world

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<v Speaker 1>famous for its lack of a lockdown for its nationwide

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<v Speaker 1>experiment in creating coronavirus herd immunity. That isn't exactly true.

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<v Speaker 1>It is true that through October twenty twenty, Sweden had

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<v Speaker 1>not imposed any strict laws for its citizens, while other

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<v Speaker 1>European countries are in full lockdown mode with legal implications

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<v Speaker 1>for those who break the rules. Swedes can still go

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<v Speaker 1>to bars and restaurants, and Swedish kids can go to school.

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<v Speaker 1>But as daily coronavirus cases start to explode from just

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<v Speaker 1>a few hundred in September to more than three thousand

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<v Speaker 1>a day in late October, Sweden's national Health agency recommends

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<v Speaker 1>stricter measures in harder hit regions, including Gothenburg. There's still

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<v Speaker 1>just recommendations, but on October twenty ninth, the day before

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<v Speaker 1>Marina finds out she's been exposed to coronavirus on her

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<v Speaker 1>road trip. Residents are asked to stop going in most

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<v Speaker 1>indoor places, and for those who actually test positive for

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<v Speaker 1>COVID nineteen there are special rules. But Marina for now

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<v Speaker 1>is just trying to get a jump on things in

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<v Speaker 1>case she tests positive. So I finally got the ok

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<v Speaker 1>from various powers that be that as long as I

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<v Speaker 1>stayed away from other humans and dogs, I could take

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<v Speaker 1>him outside. But he's a puppy. He doesn't understand this,

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<v Speaker 1>Like he wants to go sniff other dogs butts and

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<v Speaker 1>like go near other people. So I had to really

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<v Speaker 1>be careful to keep him on leash and just like

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<v Speaker 1>keep him away from people while I was waiting for

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<v Speaker 1>the test result, which she gets on October thirty first,

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<v Speaker 1>So happy Halloween to me. Turns out I did have COVID,

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<v Speaker 1>I still had a puppy, and now I had to

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<v Speaker 1>just be at home until I no longer had COVID,

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<v Speaker 1>you know however long that took. For two weeks, Marina

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<v Speaker 1>mostly stays inside her apartment with Roscoe. It's a third

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<v Speaker 1>floor walk up with one bedroom in a balcony pretty

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<v Speaker 1>big for one person, but still a Swedish apartment. I

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<v Speaker 1>would take him, you know, to do his business on

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<v Speaker 1>the balcony, take him on walks twice a day. But

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<v Speaker 1>it became like incredibly stressful because not only was I

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<v Speaker 1>feeling like increasingly more sick, but he still demanded all

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<v Speaker 1>this time and attention and energy. So I had a cough,

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<v Speaker 1>I had like aches and pains, some diarrhea, like it

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<v Speaker 1>felt kind of like a food poisoning plus of flu

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<v Speaker 1>at the same time. Type of a situation. Marina is

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<v Speaker 1>stuck at home and feels like total shit, and then

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<v Speaker 1>things get even worse when Roscoe gets sick too. So

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<v Speaker 1>in addition to his like weird like peeing all the time,

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<v Speaker 1>he started throwing up his food and had like some

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<v Speaker 1>weird poop and stuff. And I'm like, oh no, like

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<v Speaker 1>what do I do Because I can't take him to

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<v Speaker 1>the vet because I have COVID. She finds an app

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<v Speaker 1>that allows her to get a telemedicine appointment, but for dogs,

0:13:52.965 --> 0:13:56.285
<v Speaker 1>I was able to talk to a vet over the app,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I had several appointments that way, just asking

0:13:59.685 --> 0:14:03.645
<v Speaker 1>like is this normal puppy stuff? The vets tell her

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<v Speaker 1>they can't know exactly what's wrong with Roscoe without examining him.

0:14:08.325 --> 0:14:10.285
<v Speaker 1>But she can't get him examined because she has to

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<v Speaker 1>quarantine until she's not contagious. So then during this time,

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<v Speaker 1>like the two weeks that we were like cooped up

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<v Speaker 1>in my apartment, he woke up in the middle of

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<v Speaker 1>the night and started throwing up, and I'm like, crap,

0:14:21.925 --> 0:14:25.005
<v Speaker 1>it's three in the morning. I just like went to

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<v Speaker 1>bed not too long ago, like I'm exhausted. Now I

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<v Speaker 1>have to clean up dog barf. I'm cleaning up this

0:14:31.165 --> 0:14:33.685
<v Speaker 1>dog barf, and then it turns out there are worms

0:14:33.725 --> 0:14:36.685
<v Speaker 1>in it, and I was just like, just kill me now,

0:14:36.805 --> 0:14:42.005
<v Speaker 1>Like my dog has worms, like literal living worms, because

0:14:42.045 --> 0:14:45.605
<v Speaker 1>this is a thing that dogs can get. So luckily

0:14:45.645 --> 0:14:49.045
<v Speaker 1>I had some warm medication for him already, so I

0:14:49.045 --> 0:14:51.565
<v Speaker 1>gave him that. But that was like one of the

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<v Speaker 1>lowest moments where I was just like, my apartment is disgusting.

0:14:55.605 --> 0:14:59.005
<v Speaker 1>It's full of COVID. It's full of like dog pee,

0:14:59.005 --> 0:15:02.245
<v Speaker 1>it's full of like you know, puke with worms in it.

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<v Speaker 1>Like this is just so correct. So now Marina's got

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<v Speaker 1>COVID and her puppy is puking up worms, and she

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<v Speaker 1>can't really do much about it. Plus, she's starting to

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<v Speaker 1>question if Roscoe's previous owner lied to her. He hadn't

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<v Speaker 1>been trained at all, Like he didn't know how to

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<v Speaker 1>walk on a leash. She didn't know a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>basic dog stuff that he should know by being six

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<v Speaker 1>months old. So then I started thinking, like was he

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<v Speaker 1>just not taken care of? Like did someone mistreat him?

0:15:32.485 --> 0:15:35.085
<v Speaker 1>His temperament was very sweet, He just like didn't know

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<v Speaker 1>anything about how to be a dog. So for a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of weeks, Marina's sick and Roscoe's sick, but eventually

0:15:43.605 --> 0:15:47.165
<v Speaker 1>Marina starts feeling better, her fever goes away and her

0:15:47.205 --> 0:15:51.285
<v Speaker 1>cough becomes mild. Her doctor tells her she can stop quarantining.

0:15:51.845 --> 0:15:53.725
<v Speaker 1>That was like the big day for me because a

0:15:53.845 --> 0:15:56.005
<v Speaker 1>malt I could go out and do all the things

0:15:56.445 --> 0:15:58.845
<v Speaker 1>I needed to do. And the number one thing I

0:15:58.965 --> 0:16:02.085
<v Speaker 1>needed to do was take Roscoe to the vet to

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<v Speaker 1>see if there was something wrong with him or what

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<v Speaker 1>was up with his situation. The vet tells her that

0:16:08.525 --> 0:16:11.725
<v Speaker 1>Roscoe had been underfed by his previous owners, but he

0:16:11.765 --> 0:16:15.805
<v Speaker 1>seems relatively healthy otherwise. She isn't sure why he's peeing

0:16:15.845 --> 0:16:18.645
<v Speaker 1>so much, but she gives Marina some special food to

0:16:18.685 --> 0:16:21.485
<v Speaker 1>help with the puking. In Sweden, all dogs have an

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<v Speaker 1>ID chip that's like put into their little puppy bodies

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<v Speaker 1>to identify them if they get lost. It's true. All

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<v Speaker 1>Swedish dogs need to have a chip or a tattoo

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<v Speaker 1>marked with a unique ID number, and they have to

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<v Speaker 1>be registered in the Swedish Board of Agricultures Dog Register.

0:16:38.205 --> 0:16:41.205
<v Speaker 1>The register keeps a record of popular names for Swedish dogs.

0:16:41.885 --> 0:16:44.365
<v Speaker 1>Molly and Bella are the most common in twenty twenty.

0:16:44.965 --> 0:16:49.405
<v Speaker 1>Luda and Siga are close behind. So in addition to

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<v Speaker 1>the chip, Roscoe also has a little puppy passport and

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<v Speaker 1>it turns out his chip number doesn't match the number

0:16:55.765 --> 0:17:01.085
<v Speaker 1>in his passport. They're one digit off one digit And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, why is that? And she's like I don't know.

0:17:04.925 --> 0:17:07.405
<v Speaker 1>But her whole demeanor change and she was like, you

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<v Speaker 1>need to get this sordid asap because it is not

0:17:10.685 --> 0:17:13.365
<v Speaker 1>allowed for you to be in Sweden with a dog

0:17:13.885 --> 0:17:18.645
<v Speaker 1>that is improperly registered. She leaves the vet appointment wondering

0:17:18.645 --> 0:17:21.405
<v Speaker 1>how the hell she got into this mess. Maybe he

0:17:21.485 --> 0:17:25.085
<v Speaker 1>was smuggled in maybe that would explain all his health

0:17:25.085 --> 0:17:29.005
<v Speaker 1>issues that he had come from some like Eastern European

0:17:29.085 --> 0:17:33.285
<v Speaker 1>puppy mill, and I had bought him without knowing any

0:17:33.325 --> 0:17:36.485
<v Speaker 1>of this. So I went home and I'm like, I

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<v Speaker 1>really don't know what to do, Like I don't know

0:17:39.525 --> 0:17:43.485
<v Speaker 1>how do I resolve the situation, Like who do I

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<v Speaker 1>talk to to get my dog legal? With no idea

0:17:48.085 --> 0:17:52.645
<v Speaker 1>what to do next, she calls the police. A detective

0:17:52.685 --> 0:17:55.285
<v Speaker 1>tells her to bring the dog into the station. The

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<v Speaker 1>first day I was free to leave my apartment, I

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<v Speaker 1>went to the vet. The second day I was free

0:18:00.205 --> 0:18:03.245
<v Speaker 1>to leave my apartment, I went to the police station

0:18:03.365 --> 0:18:07.325
<v Speaker 1>downtown with my dog. The Swedish detective there doesn't know

0:18:07.405 --> 0:18:10.165
<v Speaker 1>what to do either, but he calls the Swedish Department

0:18:10.165 --> 0:18:12.565
<v Speaker 1>of Agriculture and they tell Marina to go home and

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<v Speaker 1>wait for their call. I come home, give Roscoe a

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<v Speaker 1>new toy because he's been such a champ about all

0:18:18.685 --> 0:18:21.285
<v Speaker 1>of these trips and he doesn't know what's happening, but

0:18:21.405 --> 0:18:25.485
<v Speaker 1>he's been like really cooperative as I like him. All

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<v Speaker 1>over town. That night, she gets a call from a

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<v Speaker 1>woman at the Department of Agriculture. She explains to Marina

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<v Speaker 1>that if the chip by D number doesn't match the

0:18:35.845 --> 0:18:40.485
<v Speaker 1>doggy passport number, then she has only two choices and

0:18:40.605 --> 0:18:45.765
<v Speaker 1>they both completely suck. Option one is you can do

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<v Speaker 1>a two month quarantine with a dog in which he

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<v Speaker 1>has to stay in your home, not be around any

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<v Speaker 1>other humans or animals, and we reserve the right to

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<v Speaker 1>like check up on you, and if you break the

0:19:00.045 --> 0:19:05.485
<v Speaker 1>rules of the quarantine, they're illegal consequences. So I'm like, Okay,

0:19:05.525 --> 0:19:09.325
<v Speaker 1>that seems really extreme. Two whole months of that, and

0:19:09.525 --> 0:19:12.805
<v Speaker 1>I live alone in an apartment, Like, it wouldn't be

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<v Speaker 1>easy in the best of situations. So, while already living

0:19:17.885 --> 0:19:22.085
<v Speaker 1>in quarantine or Sweden's relatively mild version of it, she's

0:19:22.085 --> 0:19:24.165
<v Speaker 1>told that one option for Roscoe is to do an

0:19:24.165 --> 0:19:30.325
<v Speaker 1>extreme two month quarantine with an unhousebroken, worm, puking, adorable puppy,

0:19:30.325 --> 0:19:34.925
<v Speaker 1>with no help from friends, family, or even a vent an.

0:19:34.925 --> 0:19:38.245
<v Speaker 1>Option two was that I could choose to put him down,

0:19:39.725 --> 0:19:43.885
<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, is there option three? Is there? Option zero? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>help me out here? Is there anything else we can do?

0:19:46.925 --> 0:19:50.605
<v Speaker 1>I explain the situation that I still am getting over COVID.

0:19:51.565 --> 0:19:54.885
<v Speaker 1>I'm an American, I don't have like anyone living here

0:19:55.005 --> 0:19:58.045
<v Speaker 1>to help me, it wouldn't be easy, and not to

0:19:58.125 --> 0:20:01.685
<v Speaker 1>mention taking two months off of work, and just like

0:20:01.805 --> 0:20:05.285
<v Speaker 1>the cruelty of not letting a puppy like be around

0:20:05.285 --> 0:20:08.845
<v Speaker 1>other or dogs. It just seemed like even if it

0:20:08.885 --> 0:20:12.885
<v Speaker 1>were possible, it would suck and it would like harm

0:20:13.005 --> 0:20:17.285
<v Speaker 1>his emotional development as a dog to do this. They

0:20:17.325 --> 0:20:21.725
<v Speaker 1>give Marina twenty four hours to make a decision quarantine

0:20:22.485 --> 0:20:28.245
<v Speaker 1>or put Roscoe down. So at first I was thinking, like,

0:20:28.285 --> 0:20:31.445
<v Speaker 1>there has to be another way, and so all of

0:20:31.485 --> 0:20:34.725
<v Speaker 1>my friends and sisters are like trying to dream up

0:20:34.805 --> 0:20:38.205
<v Speaker 1>like other alternatives, like maybe he can go stay in

0:20:38.245 --> 0:20:41.165
<v Speaker 1>a kennel, maybe there's a friend who can take him,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm like no, they specifically said he's like not

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<v Speaker 1>allowed to leave my apartment. Marina is also living in

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<v Speaker 1>Sweden on a visa, so she's nervous about doing anything

0:20:51.245 --> 0:20:53.685
<v Speaker 1>that can get her kicked out of the country. So

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<v Speaker 1>I slept on it, I cried, I snuggled him. I

0:20:58.765 --> 0:21:01.925
<v Speaker 1>was like a mess. And then the next day I

0:21:02.005 --> 0:21:05.205
<v Speaker 1>woke up and I was I would just like start

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<v Speaker 1>crying at any moment, and poor Roscoe, like he knew

0:21:08.685 --> 0:21:10.765
<v Speaker 1>something was wrong, and he would come up to me

0:21:10.765 --> 0:21:13.725
<v Speaker 1>and like lick my hand and like try to comfort me,

0:21:13.805 --> 0:21:17.445
<v Speaker 1>and and I'm like, oh god, I'm like trying to decide,

0:21:17.485 --> 0:21:20.765
<v Speaker 1>like do I keep you alive or not? But he

0:21:20.845 --> 0:21:24.085
<v Speaker 1>has to make a decision. The twenty four hours go

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<v Speaker 1>by extremely fast, and then ultimately I realized, like I

0:21:28.565 --> 0:21:31.725
<v Speaker 1>am not healthy enough to do this, Like I am

0:21:31.765 --> 0:21:37.405
<v Speaker 1>still recovering from COVID, I am not well, and without

0:21:37.485 --> 0:21:40.925
<v Speaker 1>any help, I won't be able to do this. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna get sicker. He's gonna get sicker. And the thing

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<v Speaker 1>that really kind of tipped the scales for me was

0:21:46.885 --> 0:21:49.845
<v Speaker 1>thinking of like just how cool it was to him

0:21:50.085 --> 0:21:53.285
<v Speaker 1>to keep him cooped up with me in the apartment

0:21:53.965 --> 0:21:57.005
<v Speaker 1>without access to the medical care that he needed, Like

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<v Speaker 1>he needed to go back to the vet for more tests,

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<v Speaker 1>and I wasn't going to be allowed to take him

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<v Speaker 1>even to the vet. So Marina makes any credibly difficult choice.

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<v Speaker 1>I called the vet again to make a second appointment,

0:22:10.805 --> 0:22:14.045
<v Speaker 1>and the second appointment was to have him put down.

0:22:16.605 --> 0:22:19.325
<v Speaker 1>The next day, she tries to give Roscoe the best

0:22:19.405 --> 0:22:23.085
<v Speaker 1>morning of his life. She gives him all his favorite treats,

0:22:23.485 --> 0:22:27.525
<v Speaker 1>takes him on a walk, gives him extra cuddles, all

0:22:27.525 --> 0:22:30.245
<v Speaker 1>the things he loves. I was really struggling to keep

0:22:30.285 --> 0:22:33.525
<v Speaker 1>my own emotions in check, and I didn't want that

0:22:33.725 --> 0:22:37.965
<v Speaker 1>to like worry him. So it was just really awful.

0:22:38.285 --> 0:22:41.245
<v Speaker 1>So I put him back in the carrier. Call another uber.

0:22:42.325 --> 0:22:45.405
<v Speaker 1>At the vet's office, everyone is really kind and empathetic.

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<v Speaker 1>So you go there, they check you in, They take

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<v Speaker 1>you to a special room that's sort of like a

0:22:52.685 --> 0:22:55.485
<v Speaker 1>private room where you can be with your dog, just

0:22:55.525 --> 0:22:59.125
<v Speaker 1>the two of you. Because it's Sweden and they love candles,

0:22:59.245 --> 0:23:02.565
<v Speaker 1>there was a lit candle in there, so it's almost

0:23:02.565 --> 0:23:06.205
<v Speaker 1>this life chapel feeling in a way. There's a high

0:23:06.245 --> 0:23:10.365
<v Speaker 1>table covered with a blanket. But Marina can't let Roscoe

0:23:10.365 --> 0:23:12.245
<v Speaker 1>out of her arms. Yet he liked it when I

0:23:12.245 --> 0:23:14.245
<v Speaker 1>would hold him, so I just had him in my

0:23:14.405 --> 0:23:17.765
<v Speaker 1>arms to the point that my arms started getting really sore,

0:23:18.325 --> 0:23:21.365
<v Speaker 1>but I refuse to put him down. But then the

0:23:21.445 --> 0:23:25.485
<v Speaker 1>nurse comes in and explains what's going to happen. First,

0:23:25.845 --> 0:23:28.765
<v Speaker 1>they'll give him a sedative to make him calm. Then

0:23:28.845 --> 0:23:32.285
<v Speaker 1>once it's taken effect, they'll give Roscoe a second injection

0:23:33.205 --> 0:23:36.845
<v Speaker 1>and that's the one that kills him. I put him

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<v Speaker 1>on the table and patted his fur and stroked behind

0:23:41.605 --> 0:23:44.365
<v Speaker 1>his ears as he got the first shot. Then he

0:23:44.445 --> 0:23:48.725
<v Speaker 1>started getting really sleepy, to the point that because of

0:23:48.765 --> 0:23:52.045
<v Speaker 1>the sedative, like he wasn't able to stand up on

0:23:52.125 --> 0:23:54.365
<v Speaker 1>his legs anymore. So he's just sort of like laying

0:23:54.405 --> 0:23:59.485
<v Speaker 1>there and I'm petting him, And then the veterinarian came

0:23:59.525 --> 0:24:03.205
<v Speaker 1>in and gave the second shot, and I remember just

0:24:03.285 --> 0:24:06.405
<v Speaker 1>like looking at him and like one moment he was

0:24:06.445 --> 0:24:08.885
<v Speaker 1>alive and then the next moment he wasn't, you know.

0:24:09.125 --> 0:24:12.885
<v Speaker 1>And it's hard to explain, but even though his body

0:24:13.005 --> 0:24:16.765
<v Speaker 1>was exactly the same outwardly, like you could just tell

0:24:18.045 --> 0:24:21.965
<v Speaker 1>he's not alive anymore. There's no pain for Roscoe in

0:24:22.005 --> 0:24:27.285
<v Speaker 1>his last moments, only for Marina. They leave her in

0:24:27.325 --> 0:24:31.005
<v Speaker 1>the room alone, and I just like cried like a maniac.

0:24:31.085 --> 0:24:34.165
<v Speaker 1>And I had a mask on at this point, so

0:24:34.285 --> 0:24:37.125
<v Speaker 1>like the inside of my mask was all snotty and

0:24:37.245 --> 0:24:41.045
<v Speaker 1>like tears everywhere, and it was very uncomfortable to just

0:24:41.485 --> 0:24:45.085
<v Speaker 1>cry that hard with a mask on. So that's another

0:24:45.405 --> 0:24:48.805
<v Speaker 1>kind of like COVID reality. It's like you can't even

0:24:48.885 --> 0:24:52.125
<v Speaker 1>properly cry, you can't ugly cry in the same way

0:24:52.245 --> 0:24:54.525
<v Speaker 1>because you're going to get snow all over your mask.

0:24:55.525 --> 0:24:58.485
<v Speaker 1>She stays in the room for about fifteen minutes, Then

0:24:58.485 --> 0:25:01.005
<v Speaker 1>she thanks the staff at the vet and then leaves

0:25:01.365 --> 0:25:04.125
<v Speaker 1>and walks all the way home. On that walk back,

0:25:04.245 --> 0:25:09.365
<v Speaker 1>I passed so many people with dogs and just knowing that, like,

0:25:09.445 --> 0:25:12.445
<v Speaker 1>well they have their dog, Like why can't I have

0:25:12.645 --> 0:25:16.885
<v Speaker 1>my dog. It was just so intense, like getting the dog,

0:25:16.965 --> 0:25:19.125
<v Speaker 1>falling in love with the dog, and then losing the

0:25:19.165 --> 0:25:22.925
<v Speaker 1>dog in such quick succession. My head was spinning and

0:25:23.605 --> 0:25:26.845
<v Speaker 1>my heart just hurt. Even though I feel like I

0:25:26.925 --> 0:25:29.965
<v Speaker 1>made the right call to put him down, it was

0:25:30.085 --> 0:25:33.605
<v Speaker 1>really really hard to do. Had it not been COVID,

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<v Speaker 1>if I would have been able to rely on more

0:25:36.845 --> 0:25:40.805
<v Speaker 1>help from friends or get him to a kennel or

0:25:41.565 --> 0:25:43.925
<v Speaker 1>you know, if there wasn't a pandemic, I might have

0:25:44.125 --> 0:25:51.845
<v Speaker 1>found a workaround. But I wasn't able to. She gets

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<v Speaker 1>home and the apartment is a mess. The apartment is

0:25:56.005 --> 0:25:58.885
<v Speaker 1>like a tornado hit it. It's full of like puppy

0:25:59.045 --> 0:26:02.125
<v Speaker 1>things everywhere, all sorts of puppy things that hadn't even

0:26:02.165 --> 0:26:06.885
<v Speaker 1>been opened or used. And I that first day just

0:26:06.965 --> 0:26:11.125
<v Speaker 1>like putting everything into trash bags and boxes and figuring

0:26:11.125 --> 0:26:14.805
<v Speaker 1>out what I can give away and basically like getting

0:26:14.805 --> 0:26:18.565
<v Speaker 1>my apartment back to how it was before I brought

0:26:18.645 --> 0:26:22.125
<v Speaker 1>him home the month before. But even now I still

0:26:22.165 --> 0:26:24.365
<v Speaker 1>have a bunch of puppy things in the closet that

0:26:24.525 --> 0:26:27.885
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what to do with. Roscoe went to

0:26:27.965 --> 0:26:31.165
<v Speaker 1>Doggie Heaven late in twenty twenty. I went through a

0:26:31.165 --> 0:26:36.285
<v Speaker 1>period of essentially grief, because when you lose someone you love,

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<v Speaker 1>even if it's a dog, like they're going to be

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<v Speaker 1>moments where you're sad. And I was emotionally and physically

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<v Speaker 1>exhausted afterwards and still kind of recovering. And then I

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<v Speaker 1>went through a period of what I had assumed was

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<v Speaker 1>like grief slash, just decompressing from this, but it kept

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<v Speaker 1>going on and on and on, and so finally, by

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<v Speaker 1>like early January, I knew something was wrong, and I

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<v Speaker 1>talked to my doctor again and I said that I

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<v Speaker 1>was worried. I was depressed because I wasn't sleeping, I

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't eating, I was tired, like it just didn't feel

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<v Speaker 1>it didn't feel like COVID, but it didn't feel normal.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's when I found out, after a series of

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<v Speaker 1>medical appointments, that not only did I have COVID, but

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<v Speaker 1>then I got what is called long COVID. If you

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<v Speaker 1>aren't familiar with how life destroying long COVID can be

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<v Speaker 1>for some people, we covered it two episodes ago. For me,

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<v Speaker 1>it was manifesting as a lot of like mental health

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<v Speaker 1>stuff and just exhaustion, fatigue, also weird things like I

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<v Speaker 1>started getting headaches which I never got before. I had

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<v Speaker 1>like weird body temperature regulation issues. I would feel cold

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<v Speaker 1>all the time. Looking back, even now, I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>how much of like my post COVID health problems were

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<v Speaker 1>tied to this long COVID thing versus just tied to

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<v Speaker 1>like emotional exhaustion slash pression from going through this like

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<v Speaker 1>really hard experience in such a concentrated time. I think

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<v Speaker 1>essentially it was so stressful and so much anxiety and

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<v Speaker 1>effort in such a concentrated period that it sort of

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<v Speaker 1>like shot my nervous system and it's taken me months

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<v Speaker 1>to get past it. I would not recommend to anyone

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<v Speaker 1>else to get COVID at all, but also to get

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<v Speaker 1>an unhousebroken puppy and COVID on the same day was

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<v Speaker 1>just sheer bad luck, you know. In getting Roscoe, Marina

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<v Speaker 1>was looking for companionship both dog and human while living

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<v Speaker 1>in a foreign country. She was also looking for structure

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<v Speaker 1>during a time when structure completely broke down because of

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<v Speaker 1>the pandemic. I think, like a lot of new pet owners,

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<v Speaker 1>she thought her pet would open up new world. In

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<v Speaker 1>a slightly different world, I would have gone all those

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<v Speaker 1>things I wanted, but in a COVID world, I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>get any of them. On the next episode of long Shot,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll hear about a new, lower cost vaccine being developed

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<v Speaker 1>for COVID nineteen one that could help poorer countries worldwide

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<v Speaker 1>get access. Long Shot is a production of School of

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<v Speaker 1>Humans and iHeartRadio. Today's episode was produced, written, and narrated

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<v Speaker 1>by me Sean Revive. A co producer is Gabby Watts.

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<v Speaker 1>Yay special thanks to Noah Brown and iHeartRadio, Amy shirt

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<v Speaker 1>Left and Cleo Contirapti. Executive producers are Virginia Prescott, Elsie Crowley,

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<v Speaker 1>and Brandon Barr. Fact checking for this episode is by

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<v Speaker 1>Adam Shadoo. Long Shot was scored by Jason Shannon. The

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<v Speaker 1>score was mixed by Vic Stafford. Sound design and audio

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<v Speaker 1>mixed was by Harper Harris with Tune Welders. School of

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<v Speaker 1>Humans