WEBVTT - It's Still There (S2 E21, "Lorelai's Graduation Day") 0:00:00.720 --> 0:00:18.000 I am all in as I Am all In with 0:00:18.120 --> 0:00:22.639 Scott Patterson and I Heart Radio podcast. Hey everybody, Scott Patterson, 0:00:22.720 --> 0:00:26.040 I Am all In Podcast one eleven Productions, I Heart Radio. 0:00:26.760 --> 0:00:32.199 We're gonna be breaking down and discussing Loyalize Graduation Day, 0:00:32.200 --> 0:00:38.120 episode twenty one, season two, and uh, we are so 0:00:38.159 --> 0:00:40.199 close to the end of season two. I know, how 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:43.320 do we get here this fast? It's like being married, 0:00:43.520 --> 0:00:46.280 you know, and having a kid. Being married and having 0:00:46.280 --> 0:00:49.320 a kid makes speeds things up. It just speeds life up. 0:00:49.360 --> 0:00:52.680 Everything just zooms by. And I think that's really That's 0:00:52.680 --> 0:00:55.080 one of the main takeaways for me from this episode 0:00:55.160 --> 0:01:00.560 is is you know, Richard and Emily were so good 0:01:00.640 --> 0:01:03.840 about showing up to the graduation, they were so distraught 0:01:03.960 --> 0:01:07.840 at the experience of it. Emily shed a tear, not 0:01:08.080 --> 0:01:11.600 of joy. That was not a joyful tear. That was 0:01:11.680 --> 0:01:15.600 a tear of what could have been. Oh see, I 0:01:15.600 --> 0:01:21.840 don't I didn't see it like mm she was so proud. 0:01:22.319 --> 0:01:26.919 I don't think so. No, No, it was just because 0:01:26.959 --> 0:01:29.480 it's the way they looked at each other. Because Laurel 0:01:29.520 --> 0:01:31.480 I was welling up and her mother was welling up, 0:01:31.520 --> 0:01:35.119 Emily was welling up and she and Emily looked down. 0:01:35.240 --> 0:01:38.600 She just she had to put her head down because 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:42.160 it was just gosh darn at the listen, if you're 0:01:42.200 --> 0:01:44.760 a parent and you put all that time and effort 0:01:45.400 --> 0:01:49.559 into breeding and raising your daughter in a certain way. 0:01:49.600 --> 0:01:52.080 And Laurel I said it best herself when in the 0:01:52.360 --> 0:01:54.840 scene with Rory, when she was having trouble studying, when 0:01:54.880 --> 0:01:57.480 Laurel I was having trouble studying for her final exam 0:01:57.560 --> 0:02:00.360 or whatever it was, Um, and she she's built it 0:02:00.440 --> 0:02:03.120 right out. She said, My I'm a huge you know, 0:02:03.320 --> 0:02:05.440 Please don't invite mom and dad because it will be 0:02:05.480 --> 0:02:08.720 to the graduation ceremony, because it'll they'll be humiliated. I'll 0:02:08.760 --> 0:02:10.560 feel bad, it won't be good for them, it won't 0:02:10.600 --> 0:02:13.360 be good for me. So please don't do it. Um. 0:02:13.600 --> 0:02:16.359 That's exactly what Richard and Emily had to fight through 0:02:16.360 --> 0:02:18.160 the humiliation of it because they here, they are in 0:02:18.160 --> 0:02:23.360 a community college. They hilariously brought their own cameraman role 0:02:25.200 --> 0:02:28.919 to film the whole thing and hi deaf, um, and 0:02:29.760 --> 0:02:32.560 it was just very sad. It was very very sad. 0:02:33.440 --> 0:02:38.639 That so fascinating. I thought completely differently. I thought it 0:02:38.800 --> 0:02:43.799 as look how much we've been through and look where 0:02:43.880 --> 0:02:48.800 we are now, and that those were like tears of joy, 0:02:48.919 --> 0:02:54.799 like we're here watching this moment and you know, I'm 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:58.080 not gonna say it's all peachy, but like they're getting 0:02:58.080 --> 0:03:00.919 along and they got to exp aarens this with her. 0:03:01.360 --> 0:03:04.080 And that's why I thought it was so poignant, Like 0:03:04.120 --> 0:03:07.560 when they take that photo, when when Loure lies like, wait, wait, wait, 0:03:07.600 --> 0:03:10.200 aren't we going to take that photo at the classic 0:03:10.560 --> 0:03:14.440 parents surrounding the graduate photo? I just thought so differently. 0:03:14.720 --> 0:03:17.240 I I got emotional twice during this episode, and this 0:03:17.280 --> 0:03:20.640 was one of the times when I'm like, wow, we've 0:03:20.639 --> 0:03:23.480 been through the mud and we're kind of digging ourselves out, 0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:26.560 and look at how they've come far. They've come. I 0:03:26.639 --> 0:03:28.840 just don't think Emily and Richard are ever going to 0:03:29.000 --> 0:03:32.280 meet her halfway even I think they're humiliated. I think 0:03:32.280 --> 0:03:36.040 they're going to to go to their graves humiliated, and 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:39.040 and they're constantly thinking of what could have been when 0:03:39.400 --> 0:03:42.480 because look at her, I mean, she could have had 0:03:42.560 --> 0:03:46.800 everything and they could have been with her as grandparents 0:03:47.280 --> 0:03:52.800 in in their status conscious world where they exist. They 0:03:52.920 --> 0:03:57.480 don't exist anywhere else. They can't maneuver or function anywhere else. 0:03:57.560 --> 0:04:00.680 They tried today and I thought, uh, I mean in 0:04:00.800 --> 0:04:04.000 today's in the episode I watched this morning, Um, and 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:09.840 Richard gave her a check I know, I thought, But 0:04:09.880 --> 0:04:13.520 he couldn't say anything else, but because he was emotional, 0:04:14.080 --> 0:04:18.200 because he didn't know what to say, because he was 0:04:18.240 --> 0:04:21.400 trying so hard. He was trying so hard. There was 0:04:21.560 --> 0:04:26.000 another perspective. But man, do I see this so differently? No, 0:04:26.160 --> 0:04:27.960 I get it, I get it, I get it. But 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:31.200 here's the thing. For me, it was Richard doing the 0:04:31.320 --> 0:04:33.279 right thing, and there was a part of him that 0:04:33.440 --> 0:04:35.960 was was proud of his daughter. There was a part 0:04:36.000 --> 0:04:38.800 of him that wanted to come together because they've now 0:04:38.880 --> 0:04:41.960 he sees Laurela in a different light because of the 0:04:42.000 --> 0:04:46.479 experience left last episode. How capable she is, what a 0:04:46.560 --> 0:04:48.719 what a terrific mother she is, what a terrific woman 0:04:48.760 --> 0:04:52.000 she's turned out to be. It wasn't the way they 0:04:52.160 --> 0:04:56.080 envisioned it, but she's still a Gilmore and he's still 0:04:56.320 --> 0:05:00.120 kind of proud of her. Now it's like so out 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:02.479 of her and got to have that moment, but he 0:05:02.560 --> 0:05:04.880 still didn't know what else to say to her. There 0:05:04.960 --> 0:05:09.279 was still, you know, the pangs of disappointment, the pangs 0:05:09.360 --> 0:05:14.680 that that come from, you know, a woman in their 0:05:14.760 --> 0:05:18.120 eyes that did not reach her full potential. I mean, 0:05:18.240 --> 0:05:21.800 I I thought so differently. I thought he was sort 0:05:21.839 --> 0:05:27.240 of like filled with pride that moment, like I get 0:05:27.320 --> 0:05:31.440 to give my daughter that college graduate check, but so 0:05:31.560 --> 0:05:35.560 many dads get to do that. Almost like he didn't 0:05:35.560 --> 0:05:38.440 need words, Like he waited till Emily walked away so 0:05:38.480 --> 0:05:40.240 he could share that moment with just a little light. 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:42.840 And I thought it was so important. She said thank 0:05:42.880 --> 0:05:46.400 you daddy, But right I know, I that was that 0:05:46.440 --> 0:05:49.120 was that was moving. It was but I think it 0:05:49.200 --> 0:05:53.160 meant so much to her and to him for them 0:05:53.200 --> 0:05:55.640 to have that just between the two of them. I 0:05:55.720 --> 0:05:57.800 want you to have this, Like I could cry right now, 0:05:57.839 --> 0:06:01.400 I like literally could cry right now. It was. That 0:06:01.520 --> 0:06:05.120 is why I love this episode so much. I don't know, 0:06:05.480 --> 0:06:08.560 I just I think he just he wanted to say more. 0:06:08.760 --> 0:06:12.920 He just didn't know. He he never prepared himself for 0:06:12.960 --> 0:06:15.559 this moment. He couldn't have prepared himself for this moment 0:06:15.560 --> 0:06:17.800 when he was giving a check to his daughter who 0:06:17.839 --> 0:06:22.880 had graduated community college at thirty well now thirty three 0:06:22.920 --> 0:06:27.040 years old. It was he wasn't prepared for that and 0:06:27.080 --> 0:06:29.080 he didn't know what to say to her. It was 0:06:29.160 --> 0:06:34.200 so far below his station and Emily station. They did 0:06:34.240 --> 0:06:36.960 the best they could that Emily did it in you 0:06:37.000 --> 0:06:40.120 know her her style, right, she went over the top 0:06:40.160 --> 0:06:45.640 of everything, and you know she was doing all that 0:06:45.680 --> 0:06:48.599 stuff to make herself feel comfortable so that she could 0:06:48.640 --> 0:06:52.200 stay in control. You know, she didn't want to really 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:55.400 participate in the ceremony and and make it about Laurel. 0:06:55.400 --> 0:06:57.560 I she had to make it about herself, didn't she. 0:06:57.839 --> 0:06:59.680 She had to make it about how she still has 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:02.080 control role And this is going to be such an 0:07:02.080 --> 0:07:05.920 awful experience for her because you can't say no to Rory, right, 0:07:06.000 --> 0:07:09.080 I mean, she she really she that was an amazing 0:07:09.680 --> 0:07:12.200 so that we'll talk about. I see what you're saying, 0:07:12.200 --> 0:07:13.720 But you know what I mean, It's like she had 0:07:13.760 --> 0:07:16.440 to take she had to exert that level of control 0:07:16.720 --> 0:07:19.400 and just be herself so that she could get through it. 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:23.120 So see that's where we disagree. So I look at 0:07:23.120 --> 0:07:24.760 it at me, I totally agree with you on me. 0:07:25.240 --> 0:07:28.360 She had to have control. She has to Emily everything, 0:07:28.440 --> 0:07:30.360 do you know what I mean? Because she doesn't want 0:07:30.360 --> 0:07:33.800 to trust some other camera are not getting capturing the moment. 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:36.360 The only part that you and I diverge is I 0:07:36.400 --> 0:07:39.240 think she did it because she's like, I'm going to 0:07:39.400 --> 0:07:42.640 capture this moment. This is my moment as a mother 0:07:43.000 --> 0:07:45.880 to sit here while my daughter graduates. And what I 0:07:45.880 --> 0:07:49.119 think is for the last ten years twelve years since 0:07:49.120 --> 0:07:51.440 she would have been college aged, they never thought they 0:07:51.440 --> 0:07:55.600 would get this moment, and now they're so overwhelmed. Oh, 0:07:55.680 --> 0:07:58.440 I see Riley nodding. Riley, I agree to. And I 0:07:58.480 --> 0:08:01.400 think the silent from Richard it is like he was 0:08:01.440 --> 0:08:03.680 just you know, when you reconnect with somebody, there's still 0:08:03.680 --> 0:08:05.720 that awkwardness, like you're still trying to figure each other 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:07.320 out and read each other. And I think he was 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:09.400 just doing the best he could and what he knew 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:11.720 and what he knew about lor La. And I think Emily, 0:08:11.840 --> 0:08:14.080 the cameras and all that, that was how she knows 0:08:14.120 --> 0:08:16.040 how to show love and support, So that's how she 0:08:16.240 --> 0:08:22.840 was showing up. I tend to agree a little bit. Yeah, Okay, no, no, 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:26.520 it makes sense. No, I mean I think it can 0:08:26.560 --> 0:08:28.600 be both, right, it doesn't have to be one of it. 0:08:28.720 --> 0:08:30.400 It doesn't have to be either or I think is 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:35.080 that not the magic of the show, right, right, it's 0:08:37.320 --> 0:08:42.280 all at one right, these scenes are operating on many levels. Yeah, 0:08:42.360 --> 0:08:45.360 and did you see Seth McFarland, he stole it for me. 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:49.360 I'm sorry those Alicia what's her name, Alicia Bergman was 0:08:49.400 --> 0:08:52.880 the actress that played the girlfriend that that I was 0:08:53.000 --> 0:08:56.800 laughing out loud. I mean that was just pure joy 0:08:57.000 --> 0:09:01.440 to watch that. You would be the expert on this, 0:09:01.559 --> 0:09:05.240 but like you really see, like obviously Seth McFarlane, now 0:09:05.520 --> 0:09:09.280 it's so massive and brilliant, like you can see it 0:09:09.360 --> 0:09:12.199 right from the start with someone. But wasn't he already 0:09:12.320 --> 0:09:16.880 popular back then? Was before like Family Guy? Was it? 0:09:18.040 --> 0:09:21.559 I mean, wasn't it was? It was about that time. 0:09:21.679 --> 0:09:24.040 Let's see how long Family Guys been on? Didn't he 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:27.000 have stuff? He had stuff going on? But going yeah 0:09:27.040 --> 0:09:30.880 he was, he was already Family Guys, right, but he 0:09:30.880 --> 0:09:33.320 hadn't kind he had stuff going on. I mean, I'm sure. 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:36.480 Don't you think they knew of Seth McFarlane because of 0:09:37.320 --> 0:09:42.120 Alex Yeah? Yeah right, I mean maybe that was the 0:09:42.160 --> 0:09:45.640 Family Guy premiered in We're just three years later? So 0:09:45.679 --> 0:09:49.120 he wasn't massive now he was. I think that show 0:09:49.240 --> 0:09:53.040 was a hit right away. It was, but he wasn't 0:09:53.160 --> 0:09:57.559 like I mean, later on he hosted the Oscars, Like definitely, 0:09:57.960 --> 0:10:01.600 I know, I know, I I've been invited to a 0:10:01.600 --> 0:10:04.280 place where he sings every once in a while. Yeah yeah, 0:10:04.320 --> 0:10:06.319 and it's probably only the first time someone saw his face. 0:10:08.280 --> 0:10:12.040 But it was hysterical his delivery and his his temperament. 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:15.720 And and Alicia Bergmann, she was just her. Her delivery 0:10:15.760 --> 0:10:19.040 was so droll and deadpan. It was so great, and 0:10:19.040 --> 0:10:21.640 it made it so much more cringe e. Everything Emily 0:10:21.800 --> 0:10:30.160 was like the corsages was so cringe e. I know, well, 0:10:30.200 --> 0:10:36.280 you know she Emily wanted to do her thing, but listen, yeah, 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:41.160 it's it's again when you have a child. And man, 0:10:41.240 --> 0:10:44.319 just I kept thinking what was her life like to 0:10:44.480 --> 0:10:47.360 make her do this? You know that. That's why I 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:49.040 want to do the prequel. That's why I want to 0:10:49.040 --> 0:10:52.840 think about doing the prequel. It's like, like, what was 0:10:52.960 --> 0:10:57.000 in you know, Amy and Dan's minds when they created 0:10:57.000 --> 0:11:01.560 this scenario. What did they picture happened between Richard, Emily 0:11:01.640 --> 0:11:04.880 and Laurela before you know, two years before she got pregnant. 0:11:05.360 --> 0:11:07.520 You know what I mean? You know what I'm saying, 0:11:08.559 --> 0:11:11.880 what the heck was going on? Was was her pregnancy 0:11:11.960 --> 0:11:17.120 a result of her saying, I'm rejecting you, I'm rebelling hard, 0:11:17.880 --> 0:11:20.320 and this is what I'm doing. Was it a conscious 0:11:20.320 --> 0:11:22.320 thing or was it just an accident. I love this guy. 0:11:23.280 --> 0:11:26.000 I love this guy, and this happened. And look at 0:11:26.040 --> 0:11:31.040 what a child does to a person's life. I mean, 0:11:31.160 --> 0:11:35.680 in one sense, it it made her diverge from the 0:11:35.720 --> 0:11:40.080 Emily Richard pattern that she was, you know, deeply, deeply 0:11:40.120 --> 0:11:42.679 embedded in her life. Was supposed to go a certain 0:11:42.720 --> 0:11:46.000 way and it went another way. And I think the 0:11:46.080 --> 0:11:49.600 thing about Laurela is, as soon as she's pregnant and 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:53.480 she has a baby, it's like her, it's not about 0:11:53.559 --> 0:11:56.720 her anymore. It never gets to be about her. It's 0:11:56.800 --> 0:12:00.360 really about that child. And life sixteen years goes by 0:12:00.440 --> 0:12:03.160 like that, like you blink and it's you know, my 0:12:03.240 --> 0:12:06.000 son is seventies almost eight years old. You blink and 0:12:06.080 --> 0:12:09.120 he's eight years old. It's wild how fast life goes 0:12:09.160 --> 0:12:12.320 and how fast paced every day is and how full 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:15.760 they are. And you're not thinking once about yourself, and 0:12:15.800 --> 0:12:18.440 if you are, you feel guilty about it. So it goes, goes, goes, 0:12:18.480 --> 0:12:21.319 goes goes. So Laura La is not just she's not 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:24.800 and she's not back there still with the parents, which 0:12:24.840 --> 0:12:26.720 is why she wants to kind of keep a distance. 0:12:27.240 --> 0:12:30.079 It's like, I'm on my path with my kid. Life 0:12:30.120 --> 0:12:32.720 is moving fast, it's great. My kid is doing great, 0:12:32.760 --> 0:12:35.280 and that's all that matters. None of this other status 0:12:35.280 --> 0:12:39.080 garbage in your money matter compared to my child doing 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:43.360 well and feeling safe. So I literally love that you 0:12:43.480 --> 0:12:47.800 just said that, because it's why the scene between Laurel 0:12:48.080 --> 0:12:55.319 and Rory after she misses the graduations so amazing, because 0:12:55.640 --> 0:12:58.680 she is so about Rory and then she took one 0:12:58.760 --> 0:13:02.120 minute to be about her and it went sideways. That 0:13:02.200 --> 0:13:04.559 scene was amazing between the two of them. I mean 0:13:04.640 --> 0:13:09.440 I was bawling, bawling because she you're You're so right on, 0:13:09.520 --> 0:13:13.800 and then immediately once she realizes, like what Rory's going 0:13:13.840 --> 0:13:17.720 through is more important again. I mean, Lorel sacrifices everything 0:13:17.800 --> 0:13:22.720 every time, and it's you love her for it because 0:13:22.760 --> 0:13:27.199 it's like, what would how would Emily have reacted to 0:13:27.360 --> 0:13:30.840 Laurel if Laura la Well, we see how Emily reacted. 0:13:31.200 --> 0:13:34.880 Laurel I missed her her graduation, Laura L I missed 0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:39.559 her life. According to Emily and Emily and Richard rejected them, 0:13:39.760 --> 0:13:42.880 rejected her rejected. I mean, can you imagine at some 0:13:42.960 --> 0:13:46.080 point there was no there were no there was no 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:50.760 Olive Branch Uh extended to Laurel to like, come back, 0:13:50.840 --> 0:13:53.920 bring us our grandaugh. I mean, what happened in those 0:13:54.000 --> 0:13:57.480 sixteen years, not only what happened when she was probably 0:13:57.840 --> 0:14:01.120 we don't know. We don't know was it was it 0:14:01.440 --> 0:14:04.000 Laurel I reaching out to them and then rejecting her, 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:06.000 or was it Richard and Emily reaching out to them? 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:08.959 Because I mean, they have this granddaughter, and do you 0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:13.520 know is they never sent her away, they never disowned her. 0:14:13.960 --> 0:14:18.440 They wanted her to marry Christopher and do it their way, 0:14:18.640 --> 0:14:22.080 and she said no. But it's not like they shunned 0:14:22.120 --> 0:14:25.960 her or you know, so maybe there were all of 0:14:26.040 --> 0:14:30.360 branches and Laura I just was like, no, I'm going 0:14:30.400 --> 0:14:38.160 to do this my way. So here's the question, who's 0:14:38.160 --> 0:14:42.640 a better mother, Emily or Lorela. I mean, look at 0:14:42.640 --> 0:14:45.400 look at how Laurela deals with her child, and look 0:14:45.400 --> 0:14:49.640 at how spectacular Rory is. Right, and I'm not saying 0:14:49.680 --> 0:14:53.280 that Layla is any less spectacular, but there's can you 0:14:53.560 --> 0:14:57.240 imagine at this point, Rory, what what if Rory gets 0:14:57.240 --> 0:15:00.000 pregnant with jesser Deine. How do you think Laureli reacts, 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:02.200 She's gonna is she going to react like emilyin is 0:15:02.200 --> 0:15:05.440 not going to happen because she's already invent that. But 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:09.160 could dialogue. That's one of the major tensions of the show. 0:15:10.040 --> 0:15:12.880 They talk about. But you can't, you can't stop that 0:15:13.000 --> 0:15:14.920 kind of I mean, it's mother nature and kids and 0:15:15.000 --> 0:15:17.720 hormones kicking in. No, you can't. You can't stop her 0:15:17.760 --> 0:15:22.040 from having sex. But Laura La has such a different 0:15:22.360 --> 0:15:25.360 open dialogue with Lori. They addressed it when she was 0:15:25.440 --> 0:15:28.440 dating Dean. Al Right, so what happens? What happens when 0:15:28.440 --> 0:15:31.640 there's I mean, now she's she's thirty, Rory's thirty two, 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:34.400 well not thirty two, but she's older now she's what thirty? 0:15:34.680 --> 0:15:36.320 I was, so how old is she now? Yeah, they 0:15:36.360 --> 0:15:40.840 did the real time kind of thing. Um, now she's pregnant, 0:15:40.840 --> 0:15:42.440 but what if she what if she was pregnant when 0:15:42.480 --> 0:15:47.000 she was sixteen? Just like, just like Laurela when it happened, 0:15:47.280 --> 0:15:50.400 I'm just hypothetically just go with me there, just just 0:15:50.440 --> 0:15:56.080 go with playing again. But just hypothetically speaking, Roy comes 0:15:56.120 --> 0:15:59.640 home mom. I was with Jess in New York and 0:15:59.640 --> 0:16:04.440 and it happened. What do you mean, I'm pregnant? How 0:16:04.480 --> 0:16:07.720 does Lorelai would have done it differently. She's not going 0:16:07.760 --> 0:16:10.680 to be thrilled, but she would have handled it differently 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:15.320 because lor Light makes lore Light sacrifices her own needs 0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:18.320 and desires for Rory's, which you saw in that scene 0:16:18.400 --> 0:16:21.440 in the end. You saw it immediately. She was hurt. 0:16:21.520 --> 0:16:24.160 It was her graduation that Rory missed. She had all 0:16:24.200 --> 0:16:26.200 the right in the world to be upset at Rory. 0:16:26.440 --> 0:16:29.440 As soon as she realizes, oh my god, my kid 0:16:29.560 --> 0:16:34.160 is really struggling, she forgets the graduation. It's gone, it's done. 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:37.800 There's no holding a grudge on it. It's like, boom, 0:16:37.840 --> 0:16:40.280 We're going to deal with what you're going through. I 0:16:40.320 --> 0:16:42.360 loved that scene. Should we skip to that scene? You 0:16:42.400 --> 0:16:45.800 want to talk about that scene? What did you think? 0:16:47.040 --> 0:16:49.960 I thought it was a monster of a monologue for 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:52.360 Alexis to handle, and I think she handled it very 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:56.760 well because on the page, you know, on and the script, 0:16:56.840 --> 0:16:59.880 it's just it says Rory, and then it's just blacking 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:01.800 all the way down the page. And then you turn 0:17:01.840 --> 0:17:03.680 the page and there's black inkle all the way down 0:17:03.720 --> 0:17:05.240 the page for Roy, and then you turn the next 0:17:05.240 --> 0:17:07.159 page and there's black ink and you're looking at that, 0:17:07.200 --> 0:17:10.960 going a, I gotta memory. I saw this and the 0:17:11.560 --> 0:17:16.320 tone and the delivery, the way Alexis said those lines, 0:17:16.560 --> 0:17:18.600 and for me, I try not to even think about 0:17:18.600 --> 0:17:20.439 them as actors. I really want to be in it 0:17:20.480 --> 0:17:23.560 with the characters. And just the way she's like, no, 0:17:23.680 --> 0:17:25.880 and then I've grounded and I'm never leaving my room again, 0:17:25.920 --> 0:17:27.840 and you should take my food away, like I'm just 0:17:27.960 --> 0:17:32.040 going and going and doing it, and you you realize 0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:35.840 how sorry she was, and then you realize that turmoil 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:41.639 she's in. Yeah, and Laura Lie was. God, Laura is 0:17:41.640 --> 0:17:44.840 such an awesome mom in that because she's like, wait 0:17:44.840 --> 0:17:50.679 a minute, like you have fallen for him, like you know, like, 0:17:50.720 --> 0:17:53.960 oh my god, I just tears are rolling down because 0:17:54.000 --> 0:17:58.679 I just thought, is this history repeating itself? Though you 0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:01.479 know it's uh, you know, is that is that one 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:04.800 of the fears for for lauralize that she's gonna, oh boy, 0:18:04.840 --> 0:18:07.800 here we go again, and what's you know, what's Emily? However, 0:18:07.880 --> 0:18:10.679 Emily and Richard going to react to this one. Now Rory, 0:18:10.800 --> 0:18:13.320 Now Rory can't go to Harvard because she's going to 0:18:13.440 --> 0:18:19.160 get knocked up. For me, it was like, look, any 0:18:19.280 --> 0:18:21.679 mom knows the first boyfriend is not going to be 0:18:21.720 --> 0:18:25.520 the forever boyfriend. And lordly, lordly, deep down those like, 0:18:25.560 --> 0:18:27.920 oh my god, she likes Jess and even one more 0:18:27.920 --> 0:18:30.320 he is like, Dean's my Boyfriend's gonna be my boyfriend forever? 0:18:30.400 --> 0:18:38.320 And no, right, he's talking about skeet shooting. You know, 0:18:38.640 --> 0:18:43.240 she cuts school and on a bus to New York. 0:18:44.000 --> 0:18:47.720 Do the clay pigeons bleed? No, they're clay, they're the 0:18:47.760 --> 0:18:51.040 pigeons bleed. What if you shoot the guy? It's stending 0:18:51.040 --> 0:18:55.600 off the clay pigeons. Oh my god, you too. I'm like, 0:18:56.920 --> 0:19:00.760 I'm like crying over this amazing moment. Okay, so let's 0:19:00.760 --> 0:19:02.879 go back to that. No, no, no, no, you're on 0:19:03.040 --> 0:19:05.359 you're on an island all by yourself and tears and 0:19:05.440 --> 0:19:08.880 we're out on the yacht having drinks. It's not fair 0:19:08.920 --> 0:19:11.040 to you, all right, So let's come back to the shore. 0:19:12.400 --> 0:19:17.560 Let's let's get on misery island here. Um. I it was. 0:19:17.680 --> 0:19:22.840 It was an enthralling scene, for sure. I don't I 0:19:22.880 --> 0:19:27.760 don't know that it impacted me the way it impacted you, okay, um, 0:19:29.160 --> 0:19:34.520 but it's certainly showed, Uh in my mind, what what 0:19:34.720 --> 0:19:37.800 kind of a mother Laurela I really is compared to 0:19:37.840 --> 0:19:40.439 her own mother, and how her own mother would have 0:19:40.440 --> 0:19:45.680 reacted to that, because because because Emily would have read 0:19:45.720 --> 0:19:48.920 Laurela the riot Act, I mean absolutely would have read 0:19:48.960 --> 0:19:51.479 her the riot Act and that would have gone so 0:19:51.800 --> 0:19:54.800 put her down and humiliated her about it and walked away. 0:19:55.560 --> 0:19:59.560 You know, I love seeing is that is the fans, 0:19:59.600 --> 0:20:02.359 people listening to the podcast and huge fans of Gilm Girls, 0:20:02.800 --> 0:20:06.200 when they write us on the Instagram about how they've 0:20:06.320 --> 0:20:08.879 changed their perspective. I think we've talked about it before, 0:20:08.920 --> 0:20:11.159 how they when they watched it in the you know, 0:20:11.280 --> 0:20:14.600 two thousand, they saw it one way, and now twenty 0:20:14.760 --> 0:20:17.760 years later, because they've aged, they see it differently. And 0:20:17.800 --> 0:20:20.440 I think maybe that's why that I'm almost like getting 0:20:20.520 --> 0:20:22.480 a little choked up. I think maybe that's why that 0:20:22.640 --> 0:20:27.240 scene just is so impacted me so much, because it 0:20:27.320 --> 0:20:29.520 was like, did you have a scene like this with 0:20:29.560 --> 0:20:34.879 your own mother? I'm venturing I guess here, no, I 0:20:35.080 --> 0:20:37.320 I That's what I was thinking to know. But for 0:20:37.400 --> 0:20:44.000 some reason, I mean maybe maybe kind of but it's 0:20:44.080 --> 0:20:47.800 but no, it's a big deal. It's so it's a 0:20:47.840 --> 0:20:50.840 big moment. I mean, these these these two to this 0:20:50.960 --> 0:20:53.399 girl and this woman are having moments in their lives 0:20:53.520 --> 0:21:02.920 right and you know, Laura la quite um appropriately took 0:21:02.960 --> 0:21:06.480 a step back and realized that, you know, her daughter's 0:21:06.680 --> 0:21:13.360 uh blossoming sexuality is a very powerful thing, and it's 0:21:13.400 --> 0:21:15.480 something that she needs to pay attention to, and it's 0:21:15.480 --> 0:21:18.359 something she's very familiar with because the same thing happened 0:21:18.359 --> 0:21:21.960 to her when she was sixteen, and so she gets it. 0:21:22.080 --> 0:21:25.120 So she's she went immediately into mom mode. And it's 0:21:25.160 --> 0:21:28.040 the first time that she was not asking everybody to 0:21:28.080 --> 0:21:29.960 make a big deal about it. But she was happy 0:21:30.000 --> 0:21:32.080 that people you know that Rory wanted to make a 0:21:32.080 --> 0:21:34.440 big deal. Me it was Rory's idea. Anyway, to invite 0:21:34.680 --> 0:21:38.320 Richard Emily, it was Rory's idea, and to have Laura 0:21:38.320 --> 0:21:40.399 I go participate and even go, Laura, I was going 0:21:40.480 --> 0:21:42.840 to blow it off. You know, we need to talk 0:21:42.880 --> 0:21:46.879 about that too. Yeah. It's like, I'm like, I'm not 0:21:46.920 --> 0:21:51.000 gonna cry, like I bleed together right now, but like 0:21:51.080 --> 0:21:54.639 I can feel like almost crying. I'm like having that 0:21:54.720 --> 0:21:57.199 about to cry moment. And I think one of the 0:21:57.280 --> 0:22:02.320 things maybe is it was so puppies and rainbows with 0:22:02.440 --> 0:22:05.800 Dean and Rory. We like each other. You know, they've 0:22:05.800 --> 0:22:07.880 had a couple of moments, but for the most part, 0:22:07.880 --> 0:22:10.000 it's like, oh, we like each other. Here's your bracelet, 0:22:10.480 --> 0:22:12.800 like you know, here's your you know, it's just very 0:22:12.880 --> 0:22:16.920 like here's a car, like sweet sweet, sweet puppies and unicorns. 0:22:18.240 --> 0:22:25.160 Rory is now experiencing like angst, Like it's different. She's 0:22:25.200 --> 0:22:29.639 got ankst. She she kind of wigged when he called, 0:22:30.040 --> 0:22:35.080 and you know, she's like, oh, like, it's just such 0:22:35.160 --> 0:22:39.199 a different love now it's I'm not saying this well, 0:22:39.240 --> 0:22:42.520 I don't know. Hopefully people are like understand where going. 0:22:43.520 --> 0:22:46.280 It's a different thing. And it's so much more like, 0:22:46.960 --> 0:22:50.840 oh boy, it's a side of her that she recognized. 0:22:50.880 --> 0:22:55.560 There's a darkness there, you know, she because Rory looks 0:22:55.560 --> 0:22:59.120 a certain way. Let's not assume that she hasn't had 0:22:59.160 --> 0:23:03.560 her own struggle, internal struggles, her darkness, fighting off demons, 0:23:03.600 --> 0:23:07.400 whatever it is, right, um and Jess is really being 0:23:07.480 --> 0:23:12.879 quite demonstrative with with this trouble, so I think, but 0:23:12.920 --> 0:23:15.680 I and I also think that there's a side of 0:23:15.680 --> 0:23:20.439 of Rory that is so altruistic and and so giving 0:23:21.280 --> 0:23:24.600 that she really wants this kid too, And it's in 0:23:24.640 --> 0:23:27.240 her bones because it's you know, it's it's it's Gilmore, 0:23:27.440 --> 0:23:30.800 it's a Gilmore thing where she she wants him to 0:23:31.240 --> 0:23:33.880 get on the right path. Everybody's trying to keep everybody 0:23:33.880 --> 0:23:36.159 on the right path. Emily and Richard are trying to 0:23:36.240 --> 0:23:38.120 try to get Laurel on the right path. Now they're 0:23:38.119 --> 0:23:39.800 trying to get Rory into the right path, and they're 0:23:39.840 --> 0:23:41.800 paying for it. And they went there Friday night dinners 0:23:41.920 --> 0:23:45.720 and now and now Rory wants to keep or get 0:23:45.960 --> 0:23:49.199 Jess on the straight and narrow because he's got tremendous potential. 0:23:49.240 --> 0:23:52.040 It's all about potential. Don't blow your potential, don't waste 0:23:52.080 --> 0:23:55.280 your potential, don't hiss it away. And I think she 0:23:55.359 --> 0:24:00.000 sees something very very intriguing and very smart and um 0:24:00.320 --> 0:24:05.360