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Speaker 1: I am all in as I Am all In with

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Speaker 1: Scott Patterson and I Heart Radio podcast. Hey everybody, Scott Patterson,

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Speaker 1: I Am all In Podcast one eleven Productions, I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna be breaking down and discussing Loyalize Graduation Day,

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Speaker 1: episode twenty one, season two, and uh, we are so

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Speaker 1: close to the end of season two. I know, how

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Speaker 1: do we get here this fast? It's like being married,

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Speaker 1: you know, and having a kid. Being married and having

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Speaker 1: a kid makes speeds things up. It just speeds life up.

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Speaker 1: Everything just zooms by. And I think that's really That's

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Speaker 1: one of the main takeaways for me from this episode

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Speaker 1: is is you know, Richard and Emily were so good

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Speaker 1: about showing up to the graduation, they were so distraught

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Speaker 1: at the experience of it. Emily shed a tear, not

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Speaker 1: of joy. That was not a joyful tear. That was

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Speaker 1: a tear of what could have been. Oh see, I

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Speaker 1: don't I didn't see it like mm she was so proud.

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Speaker 1: I don't think so. No, No, it was just because

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Speaker 1: it's the way they looked at each other. Because Laurel

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Speaker 1: I was welling up and her mother was welling up,

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Speaker 1: Emily was welling up and she and Emily looked down.

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Speaker 1: She just she had to put her head down because

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Speaker 1: it was just gosh darn at the listen, if you're

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Speaker 1: a parent and you put all that time and effort

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Speaker 1: into breeding and raising your daughter in a certain way.

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Speaker 1: And Laurel I said it best herself when in the

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Speaker 1: scene with Rory, when she was having trouble studying, when

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Speaker 1: Laurel I was having trouble studying for her final exam

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Speaker 1: or whatever it was, Um, and she she's built it

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Speaker 1: right out. She said, My I'm a huge you know,

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Speaker 1: Please don't invite mom and dad because it will be

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Speaker 1: to the graduation ceremony, because it'll they'll be humiliated. I'll

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Speaker 1: feel bad, it won't be good for them, it won't

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Speaker 1: be good for me. So please don't do it. Um.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly what Richard and Emily had to fight through

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Speaker 1: the humiliation of it because they here, they are in

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Speaker 1: a community college. They hilariously brought their own cameraman role

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Speaker 1: to film the whole thing and hi deaf, um, and

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Speaker 1: it was just very sad. It was very very sad.

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Speaker 1: That so fascinating. I thought completely differently. I thought it

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Speaker 1: as look how much we've been through and look where

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Speaker 1: we are now, and that those were like tears of joy,

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Speaker 1: like we're here watching this moment and you know, I'm

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Speaker 1: not gonna say it's all peachy, but like they're getting

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Speaker 1: And that's why I thought it was so poignant, Like

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Speaker 1: when they take that photo, when when Loure lies like, wait, wait, wait,

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Speaker 1: aren't we going to take that photo at the classic

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Speaker 1: parents surrounding the graduate photo? I just thought so differently.

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Speaker 1: I I got emotional twice during this episode, and this

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Speaker 1: was one of the times when I'm like, wow, we've

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Speaker 1: been through the mud and we're kind of digging ourselves out,

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Speaker 1: and look at how they've come far. They've come. I

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Speaker 1: just don't think Emily and Richard are ever going to

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Speaker 1: meet her halfway even I think they're humiliated. I think

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Speaker 1: they're going to to go to their graves humiliated, and

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Speaker 1: and they're constantly thinking of what could have been when

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Speaker 1: because look at her, I mean, she could have had

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Speaker 1: everything and they could have been with her as grandparents

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Speaker 1: in in their status conscious world where they exist. They

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Speaker 1: don't exist anywhere else. They can't maneuver or function anywhere else.

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Speaker 1: They tried today and I thought, uh, I mean in

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Speaker 1: trying so hard. He was trying so hard. There was

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Speaker 1: another perspective. But man, do I see this so differently? No,

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Speaker 1: I get it, I get it, I get it. But

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Speaker 1: here's the thing. For me, it was Richard doing the

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Speaker 1: right thing, and there was a part of him that

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Speaker 1: of him that wanted to come together because they've now

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Speaker 1: he sees Laurela in a different light because of the

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Speaker 1: experience left last episode. How capable she is, what a

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Speaker 1: what a terrific mother she is, what a terrific woman

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Speaker 1: she's turned out to be. It wasn't the way they

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Speaker 1: that that come from, you know, a woman in their

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Speaker 1: many dads get to do that. Almost like he didn't

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Speaker 1: And I thought it was so important. She said thank

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Speaker 1: I like literally could cry right now. It was. That

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Speaker 1: I just I think he just he wanted to say more.

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Speaker 1: He just didn't know. He he never prepared himself for

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Speaker 1: this moment. He couldn't have prepared himself for this moment

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Speaker 1: when he was giving a check to his daughter who

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Speaker 1: had graduated community college at thirty well now thirty three

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Speaker 1: so far below his station and Emily station. They did

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Speaker 1: know her her style, right, she went over the top

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Speaker 1: participate in the ceremony and and make it about Laurel.

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Speaker 1: I she had to make it about herself, didn't she.

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Speaker 1: She had to make it about how she still has

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Speaker 1: so that we'll talk about. I see what you're saying,

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Speaker 1: But you know what I mean, It's like she had

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Speaker 1: So see that's where we disagree. So I look at

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Speaker 1: She had to have control. She has to Emily everything,

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Speaker 1: I see Riley nodding. Riley, I agree to. And I

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Speaker 1: was showing up. I tend to agree a little bit. Yeah, Okay, no, no,

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Speaker 1: be both, right, it doesn't have to be one of it.

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Speaker 1: that not the magic of the show, right, right, it's

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Speaker 1: all at one right, these scenes are operating on many levels. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry those Alicia what's her name, Alicia Bergman was

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Speaker 1: laughing out loud. I mean that was just pure joy

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Speaker 1: but like you really see, like obviously Seth McFarlane, now

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Speaker 1: right from the start with someone. But wasn't he already

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Speaker 1: It's like, I'm on my path with my kid. Life

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Speaker 1: trees and grass. You know, it's the typical small, smallish

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00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 1: I mean, it's larger than your your average New York

423
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 1: inner city park. It's not Central Park. But but they

424
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 1: really nailed the look of it. When when she went

425
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 1: up behind us, I said, did they fly to New York?

426
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 1: And I mean because it kind of they kind of

427
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,399
Speaker 1: because you know, that's my area. And I was like, wow,

428
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 1: that put me right back in you know, into late eighties,

429
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 1: early nineties. But but then the other stuff, it was

430
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:39,399
Speaker 1: it's harder to to create walking around town. Yeah, that's harder.

431
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 1: That's a little harder. But they did. You know, they

432
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 1: had the full trash cans and you know, trash building

433
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 1: out people walking around. What did you think of the

434
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:52,879
Speaker 1: bus scene? Outside the bus window and she opens the

435
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 1: window and he's like, why did you come? It was

436
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 1: for me? It was It says everything about how she feels,

437
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,640
Speaker 1: about how they both feel about each other. I mean,

438
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 1: he knows why, he wants to be sure, but she

439
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 1: just she looked so smitten. It's like she's gone. I mean,

440
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 1: she loves that guy. Do you see her face? Right?

441
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:25,359
Speaker 1: It's school. You know, she's still happy with him and

442
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:29,399
Speaker 1: also authentic. I still think she's playing the role of

443
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 1: the the perfect girlfriend to Dean. It's not her and

444
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 1: she knows it too. That's why she's like pulling away

445
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:40,359
Speaker 1: from him. She's she's she's she's giving Dean what Dean wants.

446
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 1: You know, it's an act. No, I think there's some

447
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 1: feelings there, but it's not but Jess. Jess moves her

448
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 1: and they move each other. Jess moves her and she

449
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,959
Speaker 1: doesn't know why. That's why she got on a bus,

450
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,399
Speaker 1: you know, and she can't stop thinking of she can.

451
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 1: I was actually surprised how sort of happy she's been

452
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 1: following the car accident and him leaving, because I think

453
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 1: in real life that teenager is like way more sad

454
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 1: and MOPy and weird about it. Right, I'm a question,

455
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 1: do you think Rory likes Jess more because Jess is

456
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: more like Christopher, like her dad, like she finds comfort

457
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 1: in him. I don't see any similarities between the two.

458
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I know they try to pawn that off,

459
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 1: but I'm not saying, you know, you know, Christopher's to

460
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 1: the manner born and Jess is not. That's so that's

461
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 1: that's yeah. I don't see any similarities at all. Here's

462
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 1: the similarity I see. Give me a scene between Lorla

463
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 1: and Christopher ping pong ping pong, bo ping pong, very

464
00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 1: similar to Luke and lor Lai. That yeah, oh, there's

465
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,360
Speaker 1: some ping ponging, although this scene we need to talk

466
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 1: about coward in the market. But Jess Rory ping ping

467
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 1: pong boom boom, Like it's a very similar sort of

468
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 1: where they really are jamming and Dean and Rory do

469
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 1: not have that. But here's the problem, the fact that

470
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 1: she skipped school to get on a bus without telling

471
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: her mother at sixteen, went to New York City without knowing,

472
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 1: have never having been there, h and found him at

473
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: Washington Square Park. Okay, that is trouble. That means Jesse

474
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: is just more trouble, like this is the guy that

475
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 1: is actually and in reality throwing her off her game,

476
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 1: throwing her off her trajectory because she's going straight up

477
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: to Harvard Yale, right, and man, what's she doing in

478
00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 1: New York City chasing you know, jack kiroac around. So

479
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 1: that's a concern, correct, That never came up, But that's

480
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 1: gonna come up. It's like this is it'll come up.

481
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 1: And I know this will come up in in ensuing episodes.

482
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: Well yeah, and we already know Lore lies super nervous

483
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 1: and has been trying to like, oh, please don't make

484
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: this be real even though she knows. But Jesse, Jesse

485
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:22,479
Speaker 1: has knocked down or not. He's he's hurting, he's lost,

486
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: he's um and what is he is? Liz is Liz

487
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 1: my sister in New York City? Is that is that?

488
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: The deal? Is that why he's there? You haven't seen her? Okay,

489
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 1: so she's there, come home to mom and probably called

490
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: Liz and said you need to deal with this, like

491
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 1: you need to take him back. So that's why he's there.

492
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 1: But he's obviously cutting school and Liz is still Liz,

493
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 1: so she's not taking care of him right now. So

494
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 1: he's a cool, edgy, good looking, uh smart, New York

495
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 1: City kid, and man, there's very tempting for a suburban girl, right,

496
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 1: I mean she went to New York. I don't want

497
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 1: to go to New York now. I'd be scared on

498
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: my own walking around New York? Are kidding? Yeah? So

499
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 1: what did you think of um Luke and lorel bumping

500
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 1: into each other in the market? Um hmm, I don't know.

501
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 1: I mean it was necessary scene. I thought it was

502
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: a little I don't know. I found I don't want

503
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 1: to be too critical here, but I found a lot

504
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 1: of these scenes just sort of awkward. Um. I thought

505
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 1: the timing was off on on a couple of different scenes.

506
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 1: There was one between lore Lae and Emily at the

507
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: at the at the community college when oh, you're here

508
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 1: four hours early, what are you doing? You know this

509
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 1: kind of thing, and then maybe it's an Irish conference.

510
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 1: I thought that. I thought the end of that scene

511
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: was very, very awkward. Um the time, the timing wasn't right.

512
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: There was something off about it. Um, I'm sure you're right.

513
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 1: I didn't nobody noticed, is it right? And I'm getting

514
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,719
Speaker 1: into the weeds here on stuff and I shouldn't get

515
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 1: into the weeds they do. Um anyway, It's just things, really,

516
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes things don't click, and whether it's the

517
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 1: writing or whether it's the directing, or whether it's whatever

518
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: it is. The actors didn't feel it that day or

519
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 1: something like that. But something was a little bit off

520
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: for me for Mene everything, No, no, just in that

521
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: and part of that scene. So I'm I'm, you know,

522
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: watching like a hawk and making notes. And that's kind

523
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 1: of what I scribbled down I thought. I thought the

524
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 1: Luke Laurel like Taylor Dozie Dozies market scene was a

525
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: little bit like that too. It was a little close. Yeah,

526
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 1: I'm done with their fight and need them to make up.

527
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, I feel like they would have would have

528
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 1: been better if he reached for lemon and handed it

529
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: to her. Yeah, like I felt like they should have. Um,

530
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: I don't know. I felt like that I was ready

531
00:31:55,840 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 1: for the moment of like bygones, you know kind of

532
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: I get that they probably have to like talk it out,

533
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: but like I'm done with it. Um yeah, but Jesse

534
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: is gone, right and she hasn't. I think Luke is

535
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: is Luke. So Luke is not the guy who's going

536
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: to go to her because they don't have a quote

537
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: unquote relationship. They don't. They do not. Okay, So they're

538
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 1: friends and they had a spat and you know, they're

539
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: both piste off at each other. And Jesse is gone,

540
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 1: and you know, it's not like Luke is going to

541
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 1: go to her and said, gosh, you know, I'm sorry,

542
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 1: and here's some donuts and some brownies. And I feel

543
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 1: really about about that. He's not that guy. She's that

544
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: girl though. Yeah she hasn't done that yet. But am

545
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: I being But am I being sexist for for expecting

546
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 1: her to do that and he is not capable of it.

547
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: That's not sexist? What is it? It's that's not him.

548
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 1: It's just not easily just be a woman that isn't

549
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 1: like that, and that Luke would have to do that.

550
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 1: That's just him, and I think that's totally fine. And

551
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: like for him, is it a situation where nobody's wrong

552
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: and nobody's right. Yeah, and one of them is just

553
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 1: going to have to It's a game of chicken. Nobody's wrong,

554
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: nobody's right, and one of them is just gonna have to.

555
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 1: And Luke is not the guy to continue to stir

556
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: the pot. You know, he won't. He won't go to her,

557
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: like I've said, so, I guess he's just waiting for her.

558
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: If she says something, he'll immediately forgive her. But she

559
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: hasn't done it yet, which is why he didn't really

560
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: want to engage her. No, I mean she she tore

561
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 1: him a new one man, you know, Yeah, I mean

562
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:49,719
Speaker 1: she really tore him a new one. And he's just

563
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: not I mean, they're not in a relationship. So if

564
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: he's in a relationship with her, then he's you know,

565
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: he's a little more inclined to make things right, you know,

566
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: because he wants to make things right. I think that's

567
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: but they're no, I mean it's like your friends. Look,

568
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: we've all had spats with our friends and when they

569
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 1: get you know, when they get amped up like that,

570
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: that can end to friendship, you know, really can It

571
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: changes the friendship totally, totally, you know, and it too

572
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: will get through it. But yeah, you're right, but friendships

573
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 1: are a little more fragile than than than you know,

574
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 1: actual relationships and even marriages when it comes to kids.

575
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:29,760
Speaker 1: Really you make up real fast. I have a question

576
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: for YouTube, what did you make of the gift from Christopher?

577
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,760
Speaker 1: You know, Riley, I'm gonna let you go first, go ahead.

578
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 1: An awful lot of thought went into that gift. That

579
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:52,879
Speaker 1: was a highly specific gift, highly specific. Anyone getting the

580
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 1: feeling that Christopher likes Laurel Oh, they may as well

581
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 1: just hit us over the head with a hammer. I mean,

582
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:09,879
Speaker 1: Jesus talk about you know, that was subtle. I even

583
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:18,280
Speaker 1: got your camera. I'm going I'm going to mock this scene.

584
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: I will mock this scene. I loved it because I

585
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 1: love Christopher love so yeah, that was pretty cool. And

586
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: then it kind of leaves us hanging like, what is

587
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: going you know what for me? It is? You know

588
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: what it is for me? And and I don't want

589
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 1: to sound hypocritical because Luke isn't exactly the most aggressive guy,

590
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: you know, making a bee line to her door, like

591
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 1: I I must have you. Uh, you know, at least

592
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: at least Christopher is doing something about it. But it's

593
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 1: like with Christopher, it's like, dude, you know, blank or

594
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: get off the pot. I mean, stop stop with this,

595
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 1: you know the stuff. Just go get her, you know what,

596
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: what is? What's up? You're in a relationship, you don't

597
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 1: live there, obviously you want her back, you know, just

598
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: go do it. Didn't he try to do it and

599
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 1: she got rejected. He tried to know, he tried to

600
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: do it in season one, but when he tried to

601
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 1: do it in season one and she said nap, sorry.

602
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 1: And I think they were even in the better because

603
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 1: he stayed up. He stayed over. Remember they hooked up

604
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:33,919
Speaker 1: at the balcony Gilmore, It's like what on the balcony? Yeah,

605
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: exactly right. And then he spends it like there's all

606
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:40,919
Speaker 1: kinds of Yeah they have a complex relationship. Yeah, well

607
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: look he's he's the father of their child, of her child.

608
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 1: What are you gonna do for me? I'm sorry that

609
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 1: scene was just so sappy. Uh, And I know people

610
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: love that stuff. I'm not a fan of SAP. It's

611
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: just love. I literally, yeah, that was just beyond beyond. Okay,

612
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 1: So I made some notes that I just want to

613
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: give to you guys and and get your thoughts. I'll

614
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: do fashion at the end. Um question, is that the

615
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: first time we ever saw the gates of Chiltern, Parris

616
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: and Rory are walking. That looked like a new look.

617
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 1: It did look like a new location. I agree, Yes,

618
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 1: it did. It did look. It gave it some some scope,

619
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: you know, Okay, it us a different angle in the place.

620
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: How about the tassel hat. Suki made a tassel hat

621
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: pretty amazing? Again, you know, I thought, wouldn't it be

622
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 1: wonderful to live in a place like that where everybody

623
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 1: knew each other and did things like that? You had

624
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: friends that did that kind of stuff for you, and

625
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: there's places like that and friendships like it. Isn't that wonderful? Uh?

626
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 1: Was anyone else totally panicked that Rory lost her backpack

627
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 1: when she came off the bus and into the park.

628
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 1: And then I was so grateful that they wrote a

629
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: line acknowledging where the backpack was that she put it

630
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: in a locker. Yeah, was I the only one just

631
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 1: getting real anxious, like where is her back? Did not

632
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: did not get anxious. I was too busy marveling at

633
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:12,479
Speaker 1: the Did they take those guys to New York City

634
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: Washington swear part and film that little scene? No, they

635
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: couldn't know. But that is how I felt during the

636
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 1: English tea circus. What a spread? What a spread? And like,

637
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,879
Speaker 1: let's yell at the server for the no doilies, I mean,

638
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 1: for God's sake, amazing. Um. Let me see if I

639
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: have a few other notes before we get to fashion.

640
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: I think those were other than you know. What I

641
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 1: thought was a little gross was the dude on the

642
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 1: bus with his like, oh that was hysterical? Dipping? Is

643
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: that called dipping? Spitting into the camp? Okay? Do you

644
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 1: want me to rattle it down? Do you want to

645
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 1: like just amuse yourself. Do you want to try and

646
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:56,720
Speaker 1: participate in the fashion recap? Okay? If you If something

647
00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 1: is a standout, you tell us. So here's were here

648
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: were my picksloraized red pants, Riley with the black flower

649
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,919
Speaker 1: in the beginning. Yes, yeah, yeah, she looked good, right,

650
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:13,959
Speaker 1: yeah she did look good. Those parents made those were

651
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: that's yeah, she looked good. I agree, and I still

652
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 1: think there was something new about the children sweater. Now.

653
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 1: Then she wore Lorea Lie I'm always like partial Lorea

654
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,439
Speaker 1: Lize fashion. That's really what I looked for. She wore

655
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 1: a blue sweatshirt with like an eagle on it, maybe

656
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 1: a butterfly, like a bird. It was very sparkly and

657
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 1: just super cool. Then there was one scene where she

658
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 1: had a crossbody bag. Did you notice that? I was like,

659
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 1: I want that bag now, thought that was amazing. Um,

660
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 1: I've got more Madonna sweatshirt? Did you notice she was

661
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: wearing a Madonna sweatshirt? At one point, Rory had a

662
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: gray hoodie that I thought was like super on point.

663
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean I thought the fashion in this

664
00:39:54,680 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 1: episode was a real step up from the week before. Definitely,

665
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 1: she had an angel long sleeve sweatshirt on that one

666
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 1: scene whatever it was he said things said an angel

667
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 1: on it. Yes, that was super cool. She's she's a

668
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:22,800
Speaker 1: she's a cool check. You know she dresses she dresses great. Yeah. Okay,

669
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 1: So there were a couple of inconsistencies that I noticed

670
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 1: in the episode. There was a big ups with Rory

671
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: when she's sitting on the bus waiting for it to

672
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 1: leave to go back to Stars Hollow, and she's talking

673
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: with the guy sitting next to her right, and around

674
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 1: thirty seven she lifts her arm and you can see

675
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 1: that she isn't wearing the cast. No no, sorry. Also

676
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 1: let me see in the cold open right in the beginning,

677
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: the fifties style vinyl chairs in Suki's kitchen were in

678
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: Luke's diner a few episodes ago. Jess was sitting and

679
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,320
Speaker 1: Rory was trying to tutor him and teach me tonight.

680
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 1: So how did they end up in Sukise m hm.

681
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 1: They both bought them at the local okay, from from

682
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: four to four. I think that it's probably worth noting

683
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 1: that Rory is making coffee in a French press, which

684
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 1: is pretty sophisticated for her girls, don't you think. Definitely

685
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: very much so. But they are coffee connoisseurs. And you

686
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:48,800
Speaker 1: know the record store proprietor and I knew it was somebody,

687
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 1: And you'll help identify who this person is, the guy

688
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:56,800
Speaker 1: that had the line the proprietor, you know, the older

689
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 1: guy in the wig with the with the leather vest on,

690
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: because he because he made a comment on who the

691
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: who the record was and oh that band broke Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

692
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, Okay, I'm with you. I'm up to speed now.

693
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 1: It was none other than Chuck E. Weiss. Is that

694
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 1: who uh? Ricky Lee Jones is singing about Chuck E?

695
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:26,280
Speaker 1: Because it's Chuck E like the letter, not Chucky like Chucky. Yes, yeah,

696
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 1: I wonder, Yes it is he is because here's the headline,

697
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 1: Chucky's in love. He was the subject. So that is

698
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 1: the legendary Chucky. He helped launch the Viper Room in

699
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 1: l A on Sunset Strip with Johnny Depp. I've been

700
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 1: to the Viper Room many times. Whoa And he did

701
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 1: Gilmore Girls. Hold on, are we sure that's him? You

702
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:49,720
Speaker 1: are correct. Weiss appeared on a two thousand two episode

703
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 1: of the series Gilmore Girls as the proprietor of a

704
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 1: New York City record store. He also did cameos in

705
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:03,720
Speaker 1: Um Married with Children, brotherly of Whoa And he died

706
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 1: in two thousand. Oh my god, he just died like

707
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: in last July. And he's so do yourself a favor

708
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 1: and hit on the iTunes or however you listen to

709
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:21,280
Speaker 1: your music. People not say iTunes, I do iTunes. Chucky's

710
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 1: in love because that was like the best song by

711
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 1: Ricky Lee Jones. Do you know the song? I do

712
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 1: not know the song only Chucky. I know it's Chucky Cheese. Right.

713
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 1: So the story is that he was on the phone

714
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: with Tom Waits and he was talking to Tom Waits

715
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 1: about being in love. Yeah, because Chuck in the Fall

716
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 1: of Seven, So so Ricky Lee Jones must have had

717
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 1: a thing with Chucky. Maybe, So wait to put the

718
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: phone down and he announced to Ricky Lee Jones Chucky's

719
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 1: in love. And did Ricky Lee Jones say, Okay, this

720
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,359
Speaker 1: is making so much sense to me. Now I need

721
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 1: to find out if Ricky Lee Jones and Chucky Because

722
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 1: basically what happened is everyone was talking that Chucky's in

723
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 1: love and then Ricky Lee Jones reveals in the song

724
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 1: He's in love with the girls singing this song, did

725
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 1: we just like figure out a mystery from the seventies

726
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: that no One. Wits worked as a dishwasher at the

727
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 1: Troubadour in West Hollywood, Um, and he met Ricky Lee

728
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 1: Jones there and Tom Waits and they became Tom Waits

729
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: and Jones became an item, and the three of them

730
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 1: became inseparable as they caroused through Hollywood, stealing law and ornaments.

731
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 1: That's where that's wheremy got the thing. Uh. And pranking

732
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:52,800
Speaker 1: people at music industry parties like shaking hands with dip

733
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 1: smeared in their palms. Okay, oh my gosh. And here's

734
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: a quote. It seems sometimes like we're real romantic dreamers

735
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 1: who got stuck in the wrong time zone, Jones told

736
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 1: Rolling Stone in v. Nine, describing Weiss and Watts as

737
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,320
Speaker 1: her family. At the time, they lived at the Tropicanum

738
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 1: Motel on Santa Monico Boulevard. Um. I've gone down a

739
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:20,800
Speaker 1: wormhole here that I'm not totally certain everyone listening cares about.

740
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 1: But it is interesting, very interesting, great spots. No, no,

741
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: I agree. They can edit what they want. You can,

742
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 1: you can edit and whatever you want. Um, let me

743
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:33,320
Speaker 1: ask you another question. Is this the first time we

744
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 1: knew laurea lized middle name is Victoria? And and forgive

745
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 1: me we maybe first time? First time I heard it

746
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 1: me too? Okay, great, glad to hear it. I'm ready

747
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 1: for the favorite lines because I've got mine. Who wants

748
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: to go first? Riley go ahead? Um? I highly related

749
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: to this line. Laurel I says, my pursuit of higher

750
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: education hasn't led me to an interesting discovery about myself.

751
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:07,959
Speaker 1: I despise academics, learning knowledge. It's all worthless. You want mine.

752
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 1: It was my kindergarten salute to vegetables passion, and I

753
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 1: was broccoli and I did a tap dance with a

754
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 1: guy that was playing beats. It was kind of a

755
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 1: life lesson for me. That was amazing. And then the

756
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 1: other one that was so good is she goes through

757
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 1: her whole spiel to Richard and Emily and they say,

758
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 1: we accept your terms. That we accept your terms. Yes,

759
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:34,439
Speaker 1: that was funny, that was good. Yes, because we didn't

760
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 1: really talk about that, did we. Rory taking the bull

761
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:40,399
Speaker 1: by the horns and and going over the going over

762
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 1: and scheduling an afternoon or a midday t with Emily

763
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 1: and Richard to plead with them, or actually not plead

764
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 1: but just sort of gave them the information. You can

765
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: do with it what you will, no hard feelings. If

766
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: you say no, we got it, but spelled it out,

767
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 1: said you gotta. We'd like you to be there, and

768
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 1: I would be very nice if you were at the graduation.

769
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 1: And you know what could they say, like get off

770
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 1: your freaking high horse and go support your daughter. A

771
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 1: couple of snoots snooty tunes. Come on, get off your

772
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 1: high horse, snooty tunes. You did, although I'm proud of

773
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 1: you because you said we were going to dig into

774
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 1: music more and really did. We really nailed it in

775
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 1: this episode not did not not live up to our

776
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 1: promise on that. Um, there's a great led Zeplin song

777
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:46,359
Speaker 1: in here too, going what was it? Going to California?

778
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 1: Ramble on not going to California, ramble on what a

779
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 1: great song? That song is so often played at my

780
00:47:56,600 --> 00:48:00,040
Speaker 1: high school parties. Everybody had a guitar and everybody's and

781
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 1: ramble on. Everybody wanted to go to California, And I

782
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 1: think I think I'm the only one that did. Ma

783
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 1: and me and one other guy was Stairway to Heaven

784
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: led zepone. Yeah, isn't it like an eleven minute song?

785
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 1: I just remember that like its school dances. You were like,

786
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 1: I don't get stuck with someone, It's really not. It's

787
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: like kind of a doorway to hell if you're the

788
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 1: wrong purpose karaoke Stairway in the in the music store

789
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 1: where I grew up, they were signs saying, you know,

790
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 1: they're guitars they were signed, saying no playing Stairway to

791
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:36,840
Speaker 1: Heaven because all the employees were sick of hearing it

792
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 1: because that's the only song that people were learning, and

793
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,280
Speaker 1: they come in and play the guitars all day. Stay.

794
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 1: I give this double double double thumbs up. Listen. If

795
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 1: it wasn't for if it wasn't for the guy with

796
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 1: a spit can and the kids stuff, um and Seth

797
00:48:56,200 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 1: McFarlane and Alicia Bergman, I would have liked this episode.

798
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: It far less. I mean I did. I did enjoy it.

799
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 1: I got a lot of laughs out of Seth McFarland

800
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 1: and Alicia Bergman. Rory made me laugh. Um, you know,

801
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 1: they're just there. Michelle made me laugh. He had a

802
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 1: great appearance and he they lorea. I asked him to

803
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 1: describe his high school friend graduation in France and the

804
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:29,840
Speaker 1: typical great response, Um and uh yeah. I don't know.

805
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was that strong of an episode,

806
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 1: but it's certainly it certainly moved the ball forward, didn't it.

807
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 1: It's certainly um deep in some conflict. It's set up

808
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 1: the next wave, which is going to be Jess and

809
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 1: Rory and maybe Christopher and and Laura la and Lucan

810
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 1: and Laureli maybe getting back together. I mean, there's there's

811
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 1: a lot going on here. I described this episode as

812
00:49:56,239 --> 00:50:01,439
Speaker 1: like the crescendo, but but it's really laying the new

813
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 1: track down for uh, these narratives to continue. So it's

814
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 1: it was a necessary episode. It was entertaining as hell. Um,

815
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 1: some awkward clunkiness in it, but overall, uh, pretty enjoyable

816
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 1: to watch and some really good belly laughs. I mean,

817
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 1: I did not know Seth McFarland was that funny. I

818
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 1: had no idea. I just you know, I just but

819
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 1: why should I be surprised? He created this magical show

820
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 1: that's hysterically funny, right, I just didn't know that he

821
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:33,240
Speaker 1: could perform that well as as a comedic actor, because

822
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 1: he really nailed that stuff, man, I mean he committed

823
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,760
Speaker 1: to those lines and so did that and that obviously

824
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 1: that Alicia Bergman was you know, you should try to

825
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: get her on. She was. She was great. I don't

826
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 1: know if her time's passed because this this is, but

827
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 1: she was. I mean she just fascinates me with that delivery.

828
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 1: She's one of those, you know, naturally gifted people with that,

829
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:57,919
Speaker 1: with that delivery, who has the confidence is to lay

830
00:50:57,920 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 1: back on it and know how I mean she was

831
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: really funny. Um, when when everything out of somebody's mouth

832
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 1: is funny, then you've got something really special. So but

833
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: no terrific episode. All right, everybody, that's gonna wrap it

834
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 1: up for this episode. Uh, next week we're gonna get

835
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:19,280
Speaker 1: into the season two finale, episode twenty two. I can't

836
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 1: get started. That is gonna put a cap on season

837
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:27,879
Speaker 1: two and this is flying by or what. Wow? We've

838
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 1: been doing this for what less than a year and

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