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Speaker 1: If there was one thing you wanted people to take

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Speaker 1: away from this podcast about sematic healing, what would it be?

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Speaker 2: Your body isn't broken, it's just trying to protect you.

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Speaker 1: Liz Tanuto is a sematic practitioner and trauma educator, also

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Speaker 1: known online as the work Out, which her new Bookshares

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Speaker 1: has signature movement protocols and practical tools that help her

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Speaker 1: and her students cover from childhood abuse, domestic violence, and

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Speaker 1: chronic illness.

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Speaker 2: I think for a long time, we've had this break

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Speaker 2: fixed mentality where it's like, my lower back hurts, it

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Speaker 2: must be the chair I'm sitting in. I'm going to

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Speaker 2: go buy a new chair. I was really trying all

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Speaker 2: these different things to just fix the pain. I didn't

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Speaker 2: realize it took me a long time to discover that

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Speaker 2: there was a whole emotional layer underneath it. You're really

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Speaker 2: just trying to reconnect your mind and body.

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Speaker 1: And who do you think would benefit from sematic healing.

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Speaker 2: I personally discovered it because I had gone through a

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Speaker 2: working for me. So a lot of people initially find

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Speaker 2: somatics from trauma or from like autoimmune conditions or some

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Speaker 1: I'm Radivlukiah, and on my podcast A Really Good Cry,

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Speaker 1: we embrace the messy and the beautiful, providing a space

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Speaker 1: for raw, un fielded conversations that celebrate vulnerability and allow

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Speaker 1: you to tune in to learn, connect and find comfort together. Liz,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for being here.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 1: I've been following your content for such a long time now,

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Speaker 1: and I was just saying this to you, but I

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Speaker 1: feel like I need to say it to everyone. The

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Speaker 1: way that you create your content and the way that

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Speaker 1: you share the work that you do in somatic healing,

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Speaker 1: it's so easily accessible. You make it feel so much

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Speaker 1: simpler than the way that you think it would be,

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Speaker 1: and you just find a way to make it digestible

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Speaker 1: and easy. So thank you so much for the work

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Speaker 2: Thank you. I really appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to just start off by asking you what

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Speaker 1: sematic healing is. I feel like we hear it, but

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Speaker 1: I don't know if the people really know the breakdown

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's such a great question. Soma literally translates it's

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Speaker 2: the Greek word for a body, and somatic exercises are

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Speaker 2: them regulate your nervous systems, some of them release trauma

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Speaker 1: Okay, And so does it originate from? Where is the

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Speaker 2: Yeah? So I would say it's rooted in ancient cultures,

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Speaker 2: like ultimately, and then in the nineteen seventies, this guy

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Speaker 1: And who do you think would benefit from somatic healing?

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Speaker 2: I would say anyone who feels stressed. Okay, I personally

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Speaker 1: What are some of the benefits that you have found

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Speaker 2: Deep restorative sleep, so you really get that restoration that

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Speaker 1: What's the difference then, between sematic work or sematic work

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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: What are some if people are doing trying to incorporate

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Speaker 2: That's okay, And then you want to see how unclenched

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Speaker 1: Amazing. You mentioned the vegus nerve. Yeah, tell us a

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Speaker 1: little bit about the vegus nerve and how it impacts us.

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Speaker 2: The big one. Not moving at all is another big one,

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00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:20,480
Speaker 2: And I get I get that the reason why it's happening.

440
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 2: You know, we're all a lot more tech based now.

441
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:27,680
Speaker 2: Our lifestyles have changed a lot, even with AI. Our

442
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,479
Speaker 2: life has changed a lot in the last couple of years,

443
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 2: and everything's getting more tech dependent. But I think as

444
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:38,520
Speaker 2: we're doing that, we can't stop our bodies from moving

445
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:42,400
Speaker 2: because not moving just has this domino effect on your health.

446
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,160
Speaker 2: You know, the phone can be problematic, but I feel

447
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 2: like it's so far gone already, Like.

448
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 1: How many more times can we tell people people find out?

449
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I can't. I can't in good confidence tell

450
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 2: people to put their phone down because I just feel

451
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,679
Speaker 2: like it's part of our life style now. But we

452
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:06,119
Speaker 2: can do things, like, you know, anything that's more sensual,

453
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 2: where if you're cooking, like that's a really great way

454
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:14,640
Speaker 2: of like experiencing your senses. If you're going outside, you're

455
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:18,120
Speaker 2: like smelling the sounds, you're hearing the birds, you're feeling

456
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 2: the sun on your skin. Movement is also this great

457
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 2: way of connecting to your senses so and connecting to

458
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 2: how you feel on the inside.

459
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that that tip of connecting back to

460
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,119
Speaker 1: your senses because I feel like those are the things

461
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 1: that can bring you back into the present moment. And

462
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:35,720
Speaker 1: that's really what you're trying to do, right You're trying

463
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 1: to constantly bring yourself back, bring yourself back. If you've

464
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 1: been on your phone, try and connect back to your senses,

465
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,199
Speaker 1: if you've your mind's wondering, if you feel anxious, just

466
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 1: do something, smell something, please, something that brings you back

467
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 1: into this present moment. And the more moments you can

468
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:52,719
Speaker 1: have throughout the day, even if you've had a lot

469
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 1: of moments where you feel like you've not been present

470
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 1: in your body at least these are the little anchors

471
00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 1: that bring you back in. Yeah, I think those are

472
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,159
Speaker 1: really import And Yeah, I have a racing mind often,

473
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 1: so I use breath work a lot for my resets

474
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 1: throughout the day. Do you have like a thing that

475
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 1: you do as like a two minute nervous system reset

476
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:16,440
Speaker 1: to just get you back into focus. Is breathwork involved

477
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 1: in in that practice?

478
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 2: Or I don't really do that much breath work I'm

479
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,640
Speaker 2: really focused on movement, and I have nothing against work,

480
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 2: but I do this little tapping.

481
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,440
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask, Yeah, this just.

482
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 2: On my thighs. Or you can cross your arms, cross

483
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 2: your wrists over your chest and tap right left and

484
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,640
Speaker 2: I do it for like about a minute, medium pressure,

485
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 2: medium pace, And that is bilateral stimulation, which helps me reset.

486
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 1: I love tapping, like yeah, it helps to remind you

487
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 1: that you're in your body, yes, Like yeah.

488
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 2: Because we sometimes just kind of like leave our bodies

489
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 2: for a moment exactly. Yeah.

490
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 1: So obviously this is called a really good cry. And

491
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 1: you mentioned that you love crying.

492
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:02,879
Speaker 2: I love crying.

493
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 1: Give me the load, give me the breakdown of Like

494
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 1: why is crying so therapeutic? Because honestly, sometimes I will

495
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 1: be feeling so heavy, whether it's energetically physically, my head's hurting,

496
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 1: and as soon as I cry, I'm like brand new. Yeah,

497
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:18,399
Speaker 1: taught me through that a little bit.

498
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:23,399
Speaker 2: Absolutely. So crying is a reset for your nervous system.

499
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 2: So if you're crying from an emotional reason, it brings

500
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:31,879
Speaker 2: you back into regulation. Essentially, what can happen for people

501
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:35,879
Speaker 2: is you get that sympathetic activation where your the stress

502
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,400
Speaker 2: is building up in your body, and crying is this release.

503
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:44,679
Speaker 2: It also releases oxytocin, which is a feel good hormone,

504
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 2: and it just that's why you feel so good after

505
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:48,360
Speaker 2: you cry.

506
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 1: Wow. So interesting that even though crying feels sad, it

507
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 1: releases a happy hormone giving your body after afterwards. Yeah,

508
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 1: no idea that it does that. Yeah, okay, so we

509
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 1: do all these cry and why do you why do

510
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 1: people find it difficult to cry? Sometimes? I first like,

511
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,880
Speaker 1: I really cry, Well, I haven't cried in years, Yeah,

512
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 1: and I can't relate, and I'm like, wow, what did that?

513
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: What does that feel like?

514
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:13,159
Speaker 2: Yeah? I had about like ten years where I couldn't lie. Wow,

515
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 2: which I was like, and I was much younger at

516
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 2: the time, and I was very worried that there was

517
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 2: something like quote unquote wrong with me, which if you're

518
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,439
Speaker 2: experiencing this, there's nothing wrong with you. Just so you know,

519
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,959
Speaker 2: it's a very normal protective response. But it does have

520
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 2: to do with that freeze response in your nervous system

521
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,120
Speaker 2: where you're more shut down, so you're more emotionally numb,

522
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 2: and ultimately, your your body doesn't feel like it has

523
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 2: like the resources for emotional expression. It doesn't have the

524
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,919
Speaker 2: capacity for emotional expression.

525
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: It's like if I shed one tear, all of them,

526
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 1: all of the tiers can come out. Yeah.

527
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, And for me when I experienced that, even like

528
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,919
Speaker 2: when my grandma passed away, I was not crying and

529
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 2: I was like, what is wrong? What is going on?

530
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:01,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hard. I remember my friend when someone passed

531
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 1: in her family. I went to her and I gave

532
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 1: her huggy. She said, don't hug me because I'm just

533
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,400
Speaker 1: going to end up crying. Yeah. It's like, don't ask

534
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 1: me if I'm okay, otherwise I'm going to end up crying.

535
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 1: And so I think it's it's this feeling of I'm

536
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 1: not ready to release just yet. I don't need to

537
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 1: be comforted to. I want to protect myself. And then

538
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 1: when I'm ready and my body feels ready or my

539
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 1: mind feels ready, I'll release.

540
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think women too, like we don't give ourselves

541
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 2: enough credit for like how much we hold it down, right,

542
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 2: Like a lot of us have great careers and a

543
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 2: lot of us are kind of like the head of

544
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 2: the household, and we do hold it down. And I

545
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 2: think a lot of us are kind of operating in

546
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 2: this place where we're like forced into hyper independence in

547
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 2: a way, and it can be really hard to be

548
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 2: vulnerable in that state and cry in that state because

549
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 2: you're kind of concerned, like is everything going to fall

550
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 2: apart if I let myself cry. I'm personally a big

551
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 2: fan of crying in public.

552
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, cry on planes all the time?

553
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 2: Yes, like you know, not for me, not like a

554
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 2: huge cry. But if I lived in New York for

555
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 2: a while and I would see people cry on the

556
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 2: subway all the time, yeah, and no one, no one.

557
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 1: No one. Yeah, I'd be like walking around New York

558
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: loss like crying my eyes out, like so sad because

559
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: I just moved there and I was feeling a bit lonely,

560
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 1: like snotty and literally.

561
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, totally fine, totally fine.

562
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 1: That's oblivious.

563
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's where I learned that crying in public was

564
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 2: completely okay.

565
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 1: I'd love to be going to relationships a little bit

566
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 1: because obviously when people have been through some sort of trauma,

567
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 1: especially sexual trauma, it were really difficult to trust again

568
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 1: trust their body in another relationship and create a connection.

569
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 1: Could you speak to that a little bit, or speak

570
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: to anybody who's been through that?

571
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, I think there's an emotional component, and then

572
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 2: I also think that there's a physical component that we

573
00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 2: don't always think about. So in terms of getting physically

574
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 2: intimate with someone again, your body can get kind of

575
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 2: stuck in like a bracing pattern. If you've experienced sexual trauma.

576
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 2: Sexual trauma. We don't really acknowledge this, but it's like

577
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 2: a capital T trauma. It is not a light trauma.

578
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 2: It's just so frequent and it happens to so many

579
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 2: women that we kind of just go on with our lives,

580
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 2: probably without enough healing after it. Not everyone, but for

581
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 2: me when I experienced it, like not enough healing right

582
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 2: after it. That can cause your body to get stuck

583
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 2: in this bracing pattern or in this holding pattern. You

584
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 2: might feel really hyper vigilant where you're like constantly scanning,

585
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 2: and so when you're in a relationship, it's really hard

586
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:46,479
Speaker 2: to reconnect to feeling relaxed and intimacy you've been through that,

587
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 2: because even though mentally you know that this person is

588
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 2: a different person, I am consenting to this and I

589
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 2: want this to happen, it can your body can just

590
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,719
Speaker 2: be kind of stuck in this place, like kind of

591
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 2: PTSD place or yeah, or like a stress physiology, and

592
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 2: I think that that for a lot of people is

593
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 2: the missing link in their healing and in their ability

594
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:15,959
Speaker 2: to re establish that vulnerability and that connection with someone.

595
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 2: And then there's the emotional component where it just takes

596
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 2: longer to trust someone. You might need to move a

597
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 2: little bit slower, you might need to have more validation,

598
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 2: more assurance to be able to really feel like we're

599
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 2: partners and to fall in love again. You're just more

600
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 2: cautious and rightfully so of course, yeah, of course.

601
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: How do people tell the difference between having just really

602
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: good chemistry with someone and being trauma bonded, Because I

603
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: feel like sometimes they can for some reason feel very

604
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: confusing or not knowing the difference.

605
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 2: I would say the pacing of it is a really

606
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 2: good indicator. So if you like immediately share your whole

607
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 2: life story and you know you're instantly like connected, and

608
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 2: then the relationship moves really quickly, that is probably a

609
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 2: sign of a trauma bond, Whereas if you move more

610
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 2: gradually and like it takes a little bit more time

611
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 2: for some of that more vulnerable stuff to come out,

612
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 2: then it's generally a really healthy, solid foundation. I was

613
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 2: in a narcissistic marriage, got divorced, and I took a

614
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 2: year off of dating, and when I started dating again,

615
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 2: I asked my therapist for advice because I was like,

616
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 2: how much do I share about this? I don't want

617
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 2: to not share about it at all, but I also

618
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 2: don't want to like come off like, you know, date one,

619
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 2: date two, disclosing this information. And my therapist told me, like,

620
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 2: you don't have to talk about it right away, you know,

621
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 2: take your time and establish a connection first. And if

622
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 2: someone asks you about a past relationship that was really

623
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 2: difficult for you, you can say, I was in a

624
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 2: relationship that was difficult and I've learned a lot from it,

625
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 2: And that's a really great way of just introducing that

626
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 2: something may have happened and I've done some work afterwards

627
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 2: to be able to move on.

628
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 1: That must have been so difficult. How long were you

629
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: in that relationship? Was it a long marriage that you

630
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 1: were in.

631
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 2: We were married for three years, Okay? Yeah.

632
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: Did it take quite a while and a lot of

633
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:33,959
Speaker 1: healing afterwards to help you get into dating in another relationship?

634
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, it took. I took a full year off of

635
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 2: dating and then even finding a new partner took some time,

636
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 2: and my current partner and I have been together for

637
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 2: three and a half years. We just moved in together. Okay,

638
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 2: so it's been a very slow, steady build and she's

639
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 2: been very supportive of me and just has given me

640
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 2: a lot of space, which is like very attractive, so lovely.

641
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 1: But also like taking it slow. It's just at least,

642
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: you know, it's like the steady pace and all of

643
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 1: that feels good to your nervous system after you've been

644
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: through something that's so intense, and so I feel like

645
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 1: that probably felt a lot safer and a lot more

646
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: manageable than getting too fast, too deep into something. Yeah,

647
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: you have your book When the Body Speaks. We've got

648
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: it up here right now. Tell us a little bit

649
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,359
Speaker 1: about it, what brought you to write it, and what

650
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:27,720
Speaker 1: can people expect from the book.

651
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, So Somatox has kind of historically been books about

652
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 2: somatics have historically been written by older men who are

653
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 2: researchers and doctors. So that the Body Keeps the Score

654
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 2: by doctor Bessel vai Ercolk. There's Waking This Tiger by

655
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 2: doctor Peter Levine. And both of these books are like

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Speaker 2: really important and seminal foundational for the field, and my

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Speaker 2: publisher really wanted me to write a book because they

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Speaker 2: kind of see me as the next chapter of somatics survivor.

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Speaker 2: I'm someone who's been through all of that, and I

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Speaker 2: do talk about my story more publicly, so they see

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Speaker 2: that it's very relatable. I'm a millennial woman, so they

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Speaker 2: kind of want this new face of somatics, how it

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Speaker 2: can be more relatable to modern culture.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what kind of things do you cover in your book?

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Speaker 2: There's three parts. Part one is my story and how

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Speaker 2: I discovered somatics. Part two is ten of my students' stories,

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Speaker 2: and through their stories, we also illustrate the science of

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Speaker 2: how stress and trauma gets stored in your body and

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Speaker 2: nervous system dysregulation and hormonal imbalances that happen as a

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Speaker 2: result of that. And then part three are my favorite,

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Speaker 2: like little mini routines nice for sleep, gut issues, anger release,

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Speaker 2: stress release, and there are photos and explanations of the

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Speaker 2: exercises and parts.

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Speaker 1: Amazing, really simple but so useful. Yeah, if there was

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Speaker 1: one thing you wanted people to take away from this

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Speaker 1: podcast about somatic healing, what would it be? What would

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Speaker 1: you want them to know.

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Speaker 2: Your body isn't broken. It's just trying to protect you.

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Speaker 2: So if you're experiencing long term pain, or if you

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Speaker 2: can't sleep well, or if you feel constantly bloated, or

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Speaker 2: you have a random food allergy that you can't figure

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Speaker 2: out with the doctor, your body's not broken and you

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Speaker 2: won't stay stuck in that place. You just need to

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Speaker 2: find a way to get it back to its baseline

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Speaker 2: and get it out of its stress response.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so, I know sometimes when you're going through things,

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Speaker 1: it can feels so permanent, Yes, And to know that

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Speaker 1: things are temporary and that you can move through them.

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Speaker 1: It just sometimes you just need a little bit of hope,

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Speaker 1: Like you need someone to say that to you, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: to remind you that, Okay, this chronic pain, this hair

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Speaker 1: loss is, whatever it is, it's possible to heal as

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Speaker 1: possible for it, and it's not just through the conventional way.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes we get told no wrong so many you know,

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Speaker 1: people that you're told to trust, and then you realize

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Speaker 1: that there might be other pasts or other routes to

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Speaker 1: help heal that issue.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, Thank you so much, Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: This is amazing. Thank you for all your wonderful tips

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Speaker 1: and everybody go grab when the body speaks. How somatic

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Speaker 1: healing sets you free.

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Speaker 2: Thanks, thank you,