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Speaker 2: The Broncos at Home is a favorite, winning forty one
Speaker 2: thirty two, three picks two pick six is against Jamis
Speaker 2: Winston with the Broncos. Win Bo Nicks is now the
Speaker 2: first quarterback ever to go six and zero. Is a
Speaker 2: favorite in his rookie season. So and I look at
Speaker 2: him now. They're eight and five Denver in the seventh seed.
Speaker 2: They get a bye, perfect time for a buye to
Speaker 2: get healthy, awful win in a good mood, and then
Speaker 2: they host a Colts team that can struggle to move
Speaker 2: the football. So this this was my pick for the
Speaker 2: most underrated team in the league, the Denver Broncos. It
Speaker 2: was not just Sean Payton, but of course Sean Payton
Speaker 2: was part of it. He's a great coach, you know,
Speaker 2: take out Andy Reid. Honestly, take out Andy Reid. Who's
Speaker 2: the best coach.
Speaker 3: In the league.
Speaker 2: Jim Harbaugh, Sean Payton, I mean, Kyle Shannan's having, you know,
Speaker 2: every few years, a rough year. So Sean Payton in
Speaker 2: one season turned around the worst franchise maybe in my life,
Speaker 2: the New Orleans Saints. And he's doing it, you know,
Speaker 2: in year two with the Denver Broncos eight and five.
Speaker 2: You know, And what's interesting is I want to talk
Speaker 2: about Jameis Winston. Jamis is a combination of a multitude
Speaker 2: of things. He didn't have great judgment, but he's wildly talented,
Speaker 2: so there was a beautiful football.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: He threw almost sixty times tonight, two pick six's, and
Speaker 2: he makes bad throws. He's a combination of consistently productive
Speaker 2: but inconsistent as not many people like him. If he
Speaker 2: was a baseball player, he'd be like Adam Dunn or
Speaker 2: Dave Kingman, home runner, strikeout. But I've always liked watching
Speaker 2: him play because he's just he'll always do something. He's
Speaker 2: just incredibly entertaining to watch, and he's got a weird personality.
Speaker 2: But like players like him. He's probably the best quarterback
Speaker 2: in the NFL that I would never build around. But
Speaker 2: if he's a backup, he's the best backup by a
Speaker 2: mile in the league, by a mile. Winston is a
Speaker 2: little like that bachelor party in Vegas with the guys.
Speaker 2: It's a lot of fun, but there's gonna be some
Speaker 2: really bad judgment and you'll probably end up regretting it.
Speaker 2: That's that's Jameis Winston's career. He is a good time,
Speaker 2: but you look back and think, humhm, what were we thinking?
Speaker 2: That was a little dangerous. I wouldn't do that again.
Speaker 3: And he's he's a little.
Speaker 2: Bit the opposite of boon Nicks, whereas bo Nicks, I
Speaker 2: think has great judgment, has a lower ceiling, actually runs.
Speaker 2: It's more athletic than Jameis Winston doesn't quite have Jamis's arm.
Speaker 2: But again, like on that final drive, you this, the
Speaker 2: comp to Drew Brees is so perfect. On that final drive,
Speaker 2: you know, bow knicks four or five fifty eight yards
Speaker 2: sets up for the field goal. They take the lead,
Speaker 2: a couple of big throws to Courtland. Sutton, by the way,
Speaker 2: now has two fourth quarter comebacks this year. How many
Speaker 2: is Aaron Rodgers have? That, by the way, is more
Speaker 2: than Herbert Allen Russ Rodgers Burrow commined, So he's and
Speaker 2: the editor thing, did you see Sean Payton regularly two
Speaker 2: different opportunities having him drop back in the end zone
Speaker 2: with a good Cleveland pass rush. So Sean Payton trusts
Speaker 2: his judgment. Just when I see Bonicks play, what I
Speaker 2: see is confidence. I mean, he had a pick down
Speaker 2: the field. He'll he's not a dink and dunker, He'll
Speaker 2: throw the ball down the field. Plays with a ton
Speaker 2: of confidence and just the way he throws the ball.
Speaker 2: He I saw him play in college twice live, ten
Speaker 2: to fifteen times on TV minimum, and I honestly feel
Speaker 2: like his arm is better as a pro. Is the
Speaker 2: altitude in Denver where everything travels further, from a golf
Speaker 2: ball to a fly ball to a pass. It just
Speaker 2: looks like his arm is just a little bit strong,
Speaker 2: longer than it was in college. And you know, I
Speaker 2: just when I watched Denver, I said this in the offseason.
Speaker 2: They've got too many good players, you know, even the
Speaker 2: receiving court A Mims of Franklin's got some talent. Courtland
Speaker 2: sometton I've liked forever. Their running backs are capable. Bowls
Speaker 2: is an elite left tackle. They ran the football tonight.
Speaker 2: There's just not a lot I don't like about him.
Speaker 2: It's a quarterback coach league, and they've got weapons. They've
Speaker 2: got a pass rusher, they got a left tackle, they
Speaker 2: got a coach in a quarterback.
Speaker 3: We say this all the time.
Speaker 2: Remember when the Rams surprised everybody last year, And I
Speaker 2: said McVeigh, Stafford, Cooper cup Cooka Nakua, Like, if you
Speaker 2: have the coach, the quarterback, weapons, a left tackle and
Speaker 2: a pass rusher, You're gonna be good in this league.
Speaker 2: And so they check a lot of boxes, and I
Speaker 2: think Bonnick's having so many college starts, you're just ready
Speaker 2: to play. Now we may be seeing his ceiling. This
Speaker 2: may be it. But if this is it, you can
Speaker 2: you can get to a conference championship with this, with
Speaker 2: Sean Payton's coaching. And remember this is probably the leanest
Speaker 2: roster bo Knicks will ever play with. I mean, they're
Speaker 2: going to have Russell Wilson's cap hit is still part
Speaker 2: of the equation, but it's much lower next year and
Speaker 2: after that you're home free. So you know, I'm just
Speaker 2: I'm looking at bow Knicks on third down tonight, seven
Speaker 2: for eleven hundred and fifty six passing yards and a
Speaker 2: touchdown thrown from the end zone, final drive to win it,
Speaker 2: fourth quarter, come from behind, excellent on third down. They
Speaker 2: got their guy and throw this out there. Rookie quarterbacks
Speaker 2: against Jim Schwartz, the Browns coordinator. Entering tonight, we're eight
Speaker 2: eighteen and one and bo Nix beat him. It's a
Speaker 2: real thing, man, And so you know, I was thinking
Speaker 2: about that today, like Sam Darnold and Baker Mayfield, can
Speaker 2: both play out of that recruiting class. Bow Nick can play,
Speaker 2: Drake May can play. Caleb Williams has real talent, Jayden
Speaker 2: Daniels can play. The hit rate on first round quarterback
Speaker 2: to me, feels like it's going up. Even Mac Jones,
Speaker 2: who was a miss, had one good year, right Like,
Speaker 2: even the misses these days feel like they can play
Speaker 2: a little bit. So I think I think kids come
Speaker 2: in more mature. I think they come in with a
Speaker 2: lot more snaps and special tutoring and so, you know,
Speaker 2: it was just getting a lot of hits in this
Speaker 2: quarterback class. And I still think JJ McCarthy. I know
Speaker 2: it was just preseason, but he looked good. And Michael Pennox,
Speaker 2: I think is going to be behind that Atlanta offensive line.
Speaker 2: With Drake London in pretty good running game, I think
Speaker 2: he's gonna be fine. So forty one to thirty two,
Speaker 2: you know. And I wrote a couple of notes here
Speaker 2: when you look at the Cleveland Browns, one of the
Speaker 2: things I think is such a strength of the NFL
Speaker 2: that to Shaun Watson contract is the worst in the
Speaker 2: history of the league, there's no.
Speaker 3: Doubt about it.
Speaker 2: But yet teams can go find a Baker Mayfield on
Speaker 2: his third or fourth team, a Sam Darnold at Jamis Winston.
Speaker 2: The quarterback coaching is better right than ever. Guys are rehabbing.
Speaker 2: Geno Smith could win the division. I mean, you're just
Speaker 2: seeing so many second and third acts, and I think
Speaker 2: a lot of that is quarterback coaching. There's so many
Speaker 2: good young coaches out there. I mean, you all thought,
Speaker 2: we all thought, basically Gino Smith was done. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm watching him spine. You know, Jamis Winston I thought
Speaker 2: was done like four years ago. He was such an
Speaker 2: odd bird. But I you know, I it's I love
Speaker 2: to see when these young quarterbacks hit. And I can
Speaker 2: remember before the season I had talked to I think
Speaker 2: I think it was Mark Sanchez said to me. He said,
Speaker 2: don't be surprised if bo Nix has the best season
Speaker 2: as a rookie. He said, Caleb, Drake May and Jaden
Speaker 2: Daniels have defensive coaches, so it's going to depend on
Speaker 2: the coordinator. The sensibility of the franchise is going to
Speaker 2: be in Denver, highly efficient and very aggressive offensively, like
Speaker 2: a constant tutor of Sean Payte. He said, that's going
Speaker 2: to be such an an advantage plus the sixty one
Speaker 2: college start. So I think it was Mark Sanchez who
Speaker 2: told me that. He said, Bonex is gonna pop. It's
Speaker 2: going to take him a few weeks, which it did
Speaker 2: first couple of weeks. The game's fast, But I think
Speaker 2: Denver's a real team. And again it goes back to components. Coach, quarterback,
Speaker 2: pass rusher, weapon, left tackle, elite corner. Those check all
Speaker 2: the boxes. This to me, Denver could absolutely, even as
Speaker 2: a road team, go win a playoff game. Can they
Speaker 2: win two in the AFC? I don't know if they can,
Speaker 2: but they can win a playoff game, no doubt in
Speaker 2: my mind.
Speaker 3: And I think, you know it's this year? Is it me?
Speaker 2: Or have the standalone games been really really good this year?
Speaker 2: You know, when the schedules came out before the season,
Speaker 2: I noticed the Amazon Prime games, I thought it was
Speaker 2: the best Amazon Prime games. And I basically look at
Speaker 2: a game and think, is that our at least one
Speaker 2: elite quarterback.
Speaker 3: If it is, I'll watch.
Speaker 2: And we've had some really good standalone games on Sunday Night,
Speaker 2: Monday Night Football, Thursday Night football. And the speaking of quarterbacks,
Speaker 2: I was thinking about this yesterday. I think Bryce Young.
Speaker 2: Now over the last five if you go to the
Speaker 2: last five games Bryce Young and c J. Stroud, if
Speaker 2: you'd never seen him play before, you could argue Bryce
Speaker 2: Young is every bit as good or better than c J.
Speaker 3: Stroud, and he's working with a lot less.
Speaker 2: So again, the quarterback coaching these guys come in was
Speaker 2: more snaps. Not everybody hits at the same pace. I
Speaker 2: Sean Payton and Boonex were ready to be really good
Speaker 2: really quickly. You know, Kayla Williams and Chicago's going to
Speaker 2: take some work. They got to get the right coach.
Speaker 2: But Broncos are eight and five, another win a bye,
Speaker 2: they host the Colts, and I think it's the team
Speaker 2: capable of winning the playoffs because you know this year,
Speaker 2: I mean, the one team in the AFC which doesn't
Speaker 2: appear to have any flaws is Buffalo. You know, Kansas
Speaker 2: City is pretty shaky offensive tackle and the receiving core
Speaker 2: is in you know, a group in the making, Baltimore
Speaker 2: bat on the back end, Justin Tucker Now, a liability
Speaker 2: at kicker chargers, not dynamic enough at playmaker. Now, they
Speaker 2: got running backs banged up, so everybody feels like they're
Speaker 2: just a little off Buffalo is the exception. So to me,
Speaker 2: Denver can play with anybody outside of I wouldn't. I
Speaker 2: wouldn't trust him to go to Buffalo in a cold
Speaker 2: weather game and win. I think they get out man there.
Speaker 2: But I think they could go to Pittsburgh. I think
Speaker 2: bo Nix is better now than he was two months ago.
Speaker 2: I think they could go to Pittsburgh and compete two
Speaker 2: really good defenses, the offensive coach against Mike Tomlin. That's
Speaker 2: a little bit of an edge, you know, playing as
Speaker 2: an underdog. Pittsburgh's great as an underdog, not as great
Speaker 2: as a favorite. I think Denver could go to a
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh and win a playoff game. Wouldn't be favored, probably
Speaker 2: be a three or four point dog. But again, you know,
Speaker 2: Sean Payton is an underdog. Bow Knicks has shown late
Speaker 2: game expertise. It's a real team. So my herd hierarchy,
Speaker 2: I have to send my herd hierarchy. I think Denver's
Speaker 2: going to be I think there's only four teams I
Speaker 2: feel can win the Super Bowl today, Philly, Detroit, Kansas City, Buffalo.
Speaker 2: I think Pittsburgh's close, and I think Green Bay is
Speaker 2: really close. Denver's going to make the herd hierarchy somewhere.
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Speaker 2: this business, that you wonder why they haven't taken place sooner,
Speaker 2: and then over the course of time, like if you
Speaker 2: really think about analytics, why did it take so long
Speaker 2: for NBA gms to figure out math. It's like, this
Speaker 2: was like, it's what happened? Did a slide ruler fall
Speaker 2: into a GM's office and he had doodling one day
Speaker 2: with time? It's so, here's one of them. I believe,
Speaker 2: exits the smartest people I've met did not always go
Speaker 2: to great schools or have great childhoods. In fact, I
Speaker 2: would argue, if there's a certain jet fuel to chaos
Speaker 2: as a child that propels you to aspirational life.
Speaker 3: Right and.
Speaker 2: At any one time in the history of the NFL,
Speaker 2: there's about five rockstar coaches, and right now it's you know,
Speaker 2: Sean Payton took Chernobyl and two years later they're going
Speaker 2: to make the playoffs with the rookie quarterback. And you
Speaker 2: know Dead cap Hell, Jim Harbaugh, Andy Reid. You know,
Speaker 2: there's a handful. I think McVeigh and Shanahan fall into
Speaker 2: that group. And Pro Football Talks suggested the Bear should
Speaker 2: call Kyle Shanahan, and I'm just gonna throw this out exens.
Speaker 2: So Kyle Shanahan is smart. He has a losing record
Speaker 2: in San Francisco as a head coach without Christian McCaffrey,
Speaker 2: who is now into the twilight of his career. Hurt
Speaker 2: a lot in Carolina, more so in San Francisco. He
Speaker 2: is staring down the barrel of signing Brock pretty injured
Speaker 2: for the second time, to a big deal. It is
Speaker 2: an old, expensive, brittle roster, and he has the least
Speaker 2: talented quarterback and here are the Bears good roster. He'd
Speaker 2: get power quarterbacks free for four years. He's got weapons,
Speaker 2: actually a decent back, and it's a restart. And you'd
Speaker 2: say to yourself why, Because just like San Francisco, San
Speaker 2: Francisco was a dead franchise held The Warriors were a
Speaker 2: dead franchise for years.
Speaker 3: But the minute they.
Speaker 2: Got good, people are like oh Rick Barry, Chris Mullen.
Speaker 2: Certain franchises are dead. The New York Giants are. The
Speaker 2: Bears feel like they are. But again, the Warriors were,
Speaker 2: the Niners were. Chicago is a massive football brand, and
Speaker 2: to be the savior of it in an offensive era,
Speaker 2: I said this today, I would absolutely say, here's three
Speaker 2: first round picks. We got our quarterback. I don't need that.
Speaker 2: Here we go, Kyle Shanahan. I think staring down the
Speaker 2: barrel of Christian McCaffrey's age Brock pretty getting the bag
Speaker 2: an old, expensive roster with a lot of debo, and
Speaker 2: I you questions.
Speaker 3: I think he takes the call. Am I nuts?
Speaker 1: No, You're not nuts, But I mean he you don't
Speaker 1: really trade with him, right, like the Niners to trade? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so like that do the not because Kyle Shanahan maybe
Speaker 1: is interested in the exit, but are the Niners interested
Speaker 1: in it? Like I would absolutely say the Bears get
Speaker 1: the twelfth pick in the draft. Of course, I would
Speaker 1: trade the twelfth pick in the draft for Kyle Shanahan.
Speaker 1: Like it's not even yes, of course the guy. The
Speaker 1: guy took Jimmy Garoppolo to a Super Bowl, he took
Speaker 1: Brock Party to a Super Bowl. I'm thinking he could
Speaker 1: do wonders with Caleb Williams, Like I want a known commodity.
Speaker 1: It would be amazing.
Speaker 3: Uh. I'd call the Rams and ask about Sean McVay.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I hire an offensive coach, the most proven one
Speaker 1: that you can find to develop and stabilize for Caleb Williams.
Speaker 1: However they have to go about getting that. I'd be
Speaker 1: all four. The Niner situation is an interesting one. They
Speaker 1: still have a ton of talent on the roster. It's
Speaker 1: old and brittle and expensive. Like you said, I don't
Speaker 1: think it's a disaster like I think if you asked
Speaker 1: a Vegas odds maker, Hey, what are the preseason Super
Speaker 1: Bowl favorites for next year, I'd be shocked if the
Speaker 1: Niners were outside of the top six in terms of
Speaker 1: preseason odds. We don't know are they going to pay debo.
Speaker 1: We don't know if Trent Williams is going to come back.
Speaker 1: But like, they got a lot of talent still on
Speaker 1: that team, and they had a freaky amount of injuries.
Speaker 1: So I don't know if he looks at it as
Speaker 1: dire as you do. I hope he does, because the
Speaker 1: Bears have no evidence that they can just conduct a
Speaker 1: search and hire the right trum. They have no evidence
Speaker 1: of it. They use a search firm, had Ernie A.
Speaker 1: Corsi consult them on John Fox, and then they had
Speaker 1: a general manager draft Mitch Trubisky without telling John Fox
Speaker 1: that that was going to happen, and then they made
Speaker 1: John Fox coach Mitch Trubisky. Like it's so dysfunctional for
Speaker 1: so long in that hiring firing, Like thirty thousand foot
Speaker 1: view part of the organization that if Kevin Warren and
Speaker 1: Ryan Poles, the president and GM go the trade for
Speaker 1: a coach route.
Speaker 3: They've never done it before, so I'm in for it.
Speaker 1: And then just one thing to your point, Chicago, I've
Speaker 1: said this to you before. It's unified by the Bears.
Speaker 1: The eighty five Bears still have media deals. They still
Speaker 1: drink for free. Mike Ditka and I know he was
Speaker 1: a cult of personality, but I mean the guy made
Speaker 1: tens of millions of dollars from merchandising. I mean he
Speaker 1: was on ESPN for forever. He had cigars, he had wine,
Speaker 1: he had restaurants, he had video games, he had everything
Speaker 1: from being the coach of the Bears who won the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. So it matters when you win a Super
Speaker 1: Bowl everywhere. But a parade in Chicago would be different
Speaker 1: than a parade in Los Angeles or Cincinnati. So I
Speaker 1: would think a lot of coaches who currently have jobs,
Speaker 1: not just Ben Johnson or Cliff Kingsbury. I would think
Speaker 1: a lot of coaches. If the Bears are in the
Speaker 1: markets trade for a coach, I think a lot of
Speaker 1: coaches would call their agents and say, Hey, can I
Speaker 1: get on that list.
Speaker 2: So one of the things I like about This is
Speaker 2: the exploration of different things. So I'll ask you about
Speaker 2: UFOs later, but I want to.
Speaker 3: Start with this. Hell yeah.
Speaker 2: So a lot of times there's certain things I try
Speaker 2: to be careful of. Recency bias as a talk show host.
Speaker 2: Don't over don't get hyperbolic on something because it happened today,
Speaker 2: confirmation bias. Don't like something because I predicted it, and
Speaker 2: I think about those two all the time. Don't do that.
Speaker 2: That's what fans do.
Speaker 3: I get it.
Speaker 2: I'm not a fan, right, I'm not paid to be
Speaker 2: a fan. The other thing is, don't let singular moments
Speaker 2: define somebody. So Matt Ryan in the Super Bowl had
Speaker 2: a really bad second half and people now think, you know,
Speaker 2: he was never clutch. What the truth is, he is
Speaker 2: thirty eight come from behind fourth quarter wins. He's actually
Speaker 2: not that far off Brady, Montana, Elway and Mahomes as
Speaker 2: one of the great come from behind quarterbacks in the
Speaker 2: last well, I mean a forever thirty eight.
Speaker 1: Ever, it's unbelievable, but you see this, I did not
Speaker 1: know that that's a big number.
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers. Conversely, because of the Jared Cook completion down
Speaker 2: the sideline against the Cowboys, in one of the great
Speaker 2: throws ever. I mean, it's up there with David Tyree
Speaker 2: and Eli. It's one of the great playoff throws ever.
Speaker 2: People view him as a great comeback quarterback. He's actually dreadful.
Speaker 2: He's got fewer than Ryan Tannehill, significantly fewer than Russell Wilson.
Speaker 2: Matt Ryan has thirty eight. He has twenty two this year.
Speaker 2: We've watched six, five or six times. He's not good.
Speaker 2: He gets very, very tight. And why would this be.
Speaker 2: He's so talented And I have a lot of beliefs
Speaker 2: on Aaron Rodgers' personality, but generally quarterbacks who are not
Speaker 2: good late it's because they get tight. And I think
Speaker 2: Aaron has been elevated because of the esthetic appeal. Marino
Speaker 2: had this the aesthetic.
Speaker 3: Appeal of how beautiful he threw the ball.
Speaker 2: That he's never been a grinder, and he's kind of
Speaker 2: an ad lib a little bit. He doesn't grind in
Speaker 2: the offseason. He relies like Marino did, on his esthetic athleticism,
Speaker 2: the beauty of it. I mean, he literally throws the
Speaker 2: ball and he's not on the ground like you ever
Speaker 2: seen those passes where his feet aren't touching the ground.
Speaker 3: And the truth is the prep quarterbacks.
Speaker 2: Brady Matt Ryan was a legendary quarterback, Drew Brees, Mahomes,
Speaker 2: Russell Wilson. I meant Mike Tomlin saying today the dude
Speaker 2: loves football. You can't get Hi out of the Sellets football.
Speaker 3: Is that Aaron has been the reason.
Speaker 2: It doesn't make any sense that he'd be great all
Speaker 2: the time. He's not a good fourth quarter quarterback. And
Speaker 2: I think it's because that is grinder territory. Bo Nicks,
Speaker 2: by the way, is already classic grinder, a little smaller
Speaker 2: than you want, doesn't have the He's already an outstanding
Speaker 2: fourth quarter quarterback. And so there's my take is that
Speaker 2: this Aaron Rodgers dot comes out and it's just very
Speaker 2: funny how we view him as this legendary late game
Speaker 2: quarterback and it's been on display this year with a
Speaker 2: dysfunctional organization.
Speaker 3: He's actually bad at it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I would be very interested in act parsing
Speaker 1: the data on like number of opportunities. Is it at
Speaker 1: all possible that Aaron Rodgers has had fewer opportunities than
Speaker 1: you would expect because he's so damn good and his
Speaker 1: team was always winning.
Speaker 2: Russell Wilson and Seattle didn't trail much and he has
Speaker 2: three percent more.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, fair enough, Rogers, you and I I definitely
Speaker 1: fall for the aesthetic of it.
Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers won four MVPs some of Aaron Rodgers's peak
Speaker 3: until Mahomes came along.
Speaker 1: I would always say it was the best I'd ever seen,
Speaker 1: and it was better than Brady and it was better
Speaker 1: than Manning. Not more accomplished or anything like that, but
Speaker 1: just guy had a forty five touchdown six interception season,
Speaker 1: like it was just stupid. His ability to be a
Speaker 1: big game hunter, hunt for touchdowns, throw the ball down
Speaker 1: the field and not turn the ball over like Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers at his peak of his powers is still about
Speaker 1: as good as ever, and I think crazy influential.
Speaker 3: Like you mentioned.
Speaker 1: Mahomes, Mahomes is a a combination of the two. Right,
Speaker 1: Mahomes has the from the pocket Andy Reid extension, brilliant
Speaker 1: snap throw, diagnose everything football guy, and then also can
Speaker 1: throw a ball horizontal to the ground basically like submarine
Speaker 1: style through three dudes. And You're like, I don't think
Speaker 1: I think a robot made that throw. So like Mahomes
Speaker 1: is stylistically, I actually think very similar to Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 1: but he has this like weird combination of both, which
Speaker 1: is why he's the most talented to ever do it.
Speaker 1: I think that the explanation with the Jets is simpler
Speaker 1: than that. I mean, the guy's old. One guy has
Speaker 1: been good at his age ever and it was Tom
Speaker 1: Brady won ever. And Aaron Rodgers has other interests and
Speaker 1: the Jets are really dysfunctional, and he's coming off of
Speaker 1: a very serious injury. And you know, maybe the Jets
Speaker 1: bring him back next year. I wouldn't if I were them,
Speaker 1: I'd eat the forty nine millions, spread it out over
Speaker 1: two years and just be done with the nonsense in
Speaker 1: the circus and draft a quarterback and move on. And
Speaker 1: if they do that, can you name a team that
Speaker 1: would sign him? I said the Raiders?
Speaker 3: Maybe?
Speaker 1: Yes, like like the Raiders maybe intrigue tough division, have
Speaker 1: no shot to win it. You draft a quarterback, you
Speaker 1: sign Aaron Rodgers. You hope that Rogers has the quarterback
Speaker 1: sit behind him and has like a Jordan Love situation.
Speaker 1: Maybe do you have an organization that would pay Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers to play feoball next year?
Speaker 2: It's funny because Brady now is going to be part
Speaker 2: of the Raiders ownership group, so Mark Davis would rely
Speaker 2: on Brady's opinion on that and don't. I'm not going
Speaker 2: to speak for Tom, but I don't think he holds
Speaker 2: Aaron in the regard that fandom does. I think Tom
Speaker 2: sees a guy that relied heavily on talent and didn't
Speaker 2: put Brady's obsessive Peyton Manning Breeze's obsessive compulsion to work.
Speaker 2: I think within Brady.
Speaker 1: Has to be just disgusted that Aaron Rodgers has other interests.
Speaker 1: You hosted Jeopardy, you travel.
Speaker 3: In the off season, you do experimental drugs, and by
Speaker 3: the way.
Speaker 1: That trailer, like I'll watch the documentary, but that trailer
Speaker 1: of him saying I love science or I love silence
Speaker 1: while being miked up and filmed is one of.
Speaker 3: The most unintentionally hilarious things ever.
Speaker 1: Like, Buddy, you've got like a camera crew and a
Speaker 1: sound guy and.
Speaker 3: You're miked up, but you're doing a darkness retreat.
Speaker 1: It's just so he's such a oh he says enigma,
Speaker 1: I don't know, or you're just a pseudo intellectual who
Speaker 1: loves attention and has a massive ego.
Speaker 3: It's just it's so funny to me the as we
Speaker 3: do what we do. Living.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've never been a really envious person, but as
Speaker 2: I've aged, there are some things in our business that
Speaker 2: feel like sometimes minutia, like doing shows in July. In
Speaker 2: the last year, for the first time, I took like
Speaker 2: three weeks off in July. I said, guys, it's.
Speaker 1: By the way, thank you because I hosted for you
Speaker 1: July eighth and ninth, and I think it changed my life, so.
Speaker 3: So please do that again.
Speaker 2: So the reason July and August have gotten less interesting
Speaker 2: are cultural changes. I believe Sean McVay said I'm not
Speaker 2: playing any of my good players in the preseason, and
Speaker 2: everybody said.
Speaker 3: You're nuts.
Speaker 2: You'll start off oh to eight, and he started eight
Speaker 2: and oh, and then everybody went, I think he's got it.
Speaker 2: And so now the preseason is utterly charmless. There is
Speaker 2: nothing interesting about it at all. Therefore, those three to
Speaker 2: four weeks, and they've shortened it from four to three weeks,
Speaker 2: well probably be shortened to two weeks. And August is dead.
Speaker 2: It's regular season baseball. A lot of the you know
Speaker 2: as the gap between the good and the terrible, and
Speaker 2: Major League Baseball widens. The races are settled, you know,
Speaker 2: the good teams are resting pitchers, and you know, so
Speaker 2: it's a little minutia. So sometimes I think the audience
Speaker 2: thinks we do things just for ratings. Of course we
Speaker 2: do right. Ratings and revenue drive our entire existence. But
Speaker 2: I was I was sitting there day and I was
Speaker 2: thinking about the cyclical nature, and I took a calendar out,
Speaker 2: and I thought, here are the busy times, here the
Speaker 2: slow times, And I found, like six weeks. If I
Speaker 2: could ideally take six weeks off a year, six to eight, here.
Speaker 3: Where they were.
Speaker 2: And one of the things that was interesting is that
Speaker 2: in my lifetime only one sport has been created, UFC
Speaker 2: that literally becomes part of my life. I'm now watching UFC.
Speaker 2: I watched college Pro, NBA March Madness Golf Tournament's tennis,
Speaker 2: I watched all Now soccer is more popular, but I
Speaker 2: was watching the United States men's and women's national teams twenty.
Speaker 3: Five years ago. I didn't care.
Speaker 2: So UFC is now the one created sport. A lot
Speaker 2: of it's just a force of nature, force of personality
Speaker 2: of Dana White, like renting an Island during COVID just
Speaker 2: it really sums up who he is. But I was
Speaker 2: sitting there and I said, you know what, Caitlin Clark
Speaker 2: and Angel Reese has a magic bird feel to it.
Speaker 2: And I said, I talked about it ten times this year,
Speaker 2: and I monitor my ratings and the ratings people dug it.
Speaker 2: It was often my first or second highest rented segment.
Speaker 2: And I said, I think it's going to become I
Speaker 2: never thought this in a million years. Hell, the teams
Speaker 2: don't make any money WNBA. But I'm like, well, do
Speaker 2: I have to cover the league? No, I'm going to
Speaker 2: cover Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese. I don't cover boxing,
Speaker 2: but about three times a year there's a fight in
Speaker 2: the seventies, eighties, and nineties and you'd say, okay, here's
Speaker 2: Ali Foreman. We would before I got into this business.
Speaker 3: And I know a lot of.
Speaker 2: People will push back and go that's very PC. But
Speaker 2: outside of UFC, I am convinced that Caitlin Clark and
Speaker 2: Angel Reese will be a decade long potential story as
Speaker 2: long as both teams are viable.
Speaker 5: Is that a reach?
Speaker 3: Is that recency bias?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: I don't think so.
Speaker 1: Listen one of the all time great Colin Cowhard analogies
Speaker 1: is that you're in the omelet business, not the egg business.
Speaker 1: I love that line. I think it's so good. You're like,
Speaker 1: my job isn't to make you interesting. I talk about
Speaker 1: you when you become interesting. I loved that line from you,
Speaker 1: And so they are interesting. The data supports it, and
Speaker 1: it has a lot of things. Listen, frankly, some of
Speaker 1: it's ugly, right, there's racial components, there's sexism components. Like
Speaker 1: some of the stuff that came back on it was
Speaker 1: pretty ugly. But at its core, I always say, rivalries
Speaker 1: are awesome. Yeah, rivalry, That's that's why Steelers Ravens gets
Speaker 1: you your juices flowing a little bit, Bears, Packers, Yankees,
Speaker 1: Red Sox, Cubs, Cardinals, Celtics, Lakers.
Speaker 3: We like it.
Speaker 1: We like rivalries because I want less hate in the
Speaker 1: world and more hayen sports and so like, a healthy
Speaker 1: amount of hate is okay to me. Like, I don't
Speaker 1: want there to be riots, but I wasn't like clutching
Speaker 1: my pearls over flag planting, you know, I'm like, it's
Speaker 1: kind of funny, Like it's kind of funny that a
Speaker 1: two win team plants a flag at midfield and then
Speaker 1: they pushing the show and it goes the other way.
Speaker 1: When you're pepper spraying college kids, I'm like, that's ridiculous,
Speaker 1: and I understand that I'm flirting in a gray area
Speaker 1: there on advocating something, and then when it gets too far,
Speaker 1: I'm like, well that's too far. Sorry, call me a hypocrite.
Speaker 1: I like a little bit of trash talk in my sports.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do something on breakfast Ball tomorrow. I don't
Speaker 1: think taunting should be a penalty in the NFL on
Speaker 1: sportsmanlike conduct. If you punch a guy, you spit any
Speaker 1: guy's face, fine, unnecessary roughness, the same thing. Delay a game,
Speaker 1: say thing taunting. Let them trash talk and figure it out.
Speaker 1: I'm cool with it. I'll make the case tomorrow on
Speaker 1: the show. That's a meandering way to get to Rivalries
Speaker 1: are awesome and star power celebrity. It dates back to
Speaker 1: college familiarity.
Speaker 3: We know it.
Speaker 1: And then there's also this, and you could speak to this.
Speaker 1: You've been in the game longer than I have. People
Speaker 1: like to be a part of something that is growing, right,
Speaker 1: like the World Series. The number was big, it was
Speaker 1: as good as it could have been Yankees and Dodgers, Otani, Judge, Sodo,
Speaker 1: et cetera. But like if baseball got that number thirty
Speaker 1: years ago, they would have been appalled. And so like
Speaker 1: the general trend of baseball is down in terms of
Speaker 1: ratings from where it was.
Speaker 3: The WNBA the era is going up.
Speaker 1: People like growth stories, Right, how many companies have you
Speaker 1: invested in or talked to their CEOs out there in
Speaker 1: California where it's like, we don't even need to show profit,
Speaker 1: we just need to show that we're growth and more
Speaker 1: users and all of that stuff. So I think that's
Speaker 1: the netflicks for years, for almost all of them, for years,
Speaker 1: you know, like the line in David Fincher's The Social Network,
Speaker 1: like don't you're throwing a cool party? You know, a
Speaker 1: million dollars isn't cool? You know it is a billion dollars,
Speaker 1: Like don't don't take an ad when you got on
Speaker 1: one hundred college campuses. Wait until you're in one hundred
Speaker 1: countries and then do it right, like lose money, keep
Speaker 1: getting your funding, and then cash in big at the end.
Speaker 1: So I don't know how big the WNBA can get,
Speaker 1: That's right, I don't like I do have some skepticism
Speaker 1: on how big it can get as as.
Speaker 3: A whole league teams.
Speaker 1: Caitlin Clark not rooting for it, obviously, but like say
Speaker 1: she tears her acl in the second week of the season,
Speaker 1: I think that'd be real bad for interest for the
Speaker 1: sport for that season.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: I think it's carried by a very few pockets of
Speaker 1: stars right now. But will it be more popular in
Speaker 1: five years than it is today? Yes, Like it is
Speaker 1: clearly a growth enterprise, and I think that that is
Speaker 1: also a really popular phenomenon. Like people like to be
Speaker 1: a part of something early in on the grounds or
Speaker 1: I knew this band before they got on the tes
Speaker 1: feel smart? Yes, Oh when when did you sign up
Speaker 1: for Blue Sky? Like you know what I mean. Like
Speaker 1: it's happening right now. We'll see maybe Blue Sky will
Speaker 1: be a huge thing in two years. Maybe it will
Speaker 1: be like what was Blue Sky again? But so I
Speaker 1: don't know where it ends for the WNBA, but I
Speaker 1: am absolutely positive Caitlin Clark will be a story ten
Speaker 1: years from now. She will bring the league with her
Speaker 1: and that is good business because it's growth. Even if
Speaker 1: Yankees Dodgers outrates the WNBA championship like it's just one's
Speaker 1: going up the others going down, So therefore it it
Speaker 1: is seen as a cooler thing to be a part of.
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Speaker 2: and I take as its customary. I take Thanksgiving off.
Speaker 2: It's a short week, it's weird. I tend to like
Speaker 2: favorites in those big spots. Although the Bear should have
Speaker 2: beaten the Lions. You never know what's going to happen
Speaker 2: this week. It's interesting. So last week I would have
Speaker 2: bet a lot of underdogs. This week a lot of
Speaker 2: I like a lot of favorites. Don't give you an example.
Speaker 3: Is I.
Speaker 2: Really like the Bills minus at one point four now
Speaker 2: minus three and a half at the Rams. Matt Stafford's
Speaker 2: beat up. Buffalo is getting healthier on defense. Buffalo is
Speaker 2: a really good team. They have two things now that travel.
Speaker 2: One of them is a run game, which is why
Speaker 2: they used to be. If you watch Buffalo through the years,
Speaker 2: they were a little hot and cold when they got
Speaker 2: out of their element because they didn't have a run game.
Speaker 2: Defenses and run games travel. This has become a very
Speaker 2: consistent team. The Rams, meanwhile, have not run as well
Speaker 2: because of some online injuries, and they're wildly half to
Speaker 2: half inconsistent. I like the Bills minus four or three
Speaker 2: and a half sharper square.
Speaker 5: Colin. This is why the Favorites is on the Volume
Speaker 5: podcast network. You just summarized exactly what Simon and I
Speaker 5: have been saying about this game in our shows this week,
Speaker 5: and we surprised ourselves. You said couple things about favorites.
Speaker 5: We like a lot of favorites this week, and we
Speaker 5: loved underdogs last week, and it's surprising us that the
Speaker 5: Bills are one of those teams. The Bill's number has
Speaker 5: been bouncing four to three and a half, four to
Speaker 5: three and a half. At four, the wise guys are
Speaker 5: generally buying the Rams. At three and a half, they're
Speaker 5: taking the Bills again. But you could also just as
Speaker 5: easily find people in professional ranks who like the Bills
Speaker 5: at minus four. I can't add anything to the analysis
Speaker 5: you just said. It's exactly why there is a consistency
Speaker 5: to this team that hasn't been there in the past.
Speaker 5: The run game is dominant, The Rams rush defense is
Speaker 5: not very good. The Rams are not just inconsistent half
Speaker 5: to half. They're inconsistent series to series. You can see
Speaker 5: it against the Saints. You saw it the week before
Speaker 5: where they barely beat the Patriots, like they have a
Speaker 5: couple great series and then they disappear for full quarters
Speaker 5: of the game. Last week, it's the safe they can
Speaker 5: score in the first half. So your handicap is exactly
Speaker 5: exactly right. The one thing that is worrying professional betters
Speaker 5: here is the Bills just beat the Chiefs, then they
Speaker 5: just beat the Niners, and out of this they got
Speaker 5: to go play the Steelers like they're in a gauntlet
Speaker 5: right now. This is a classic letdown spot. I don't
Speaker 5: think that'll be the case, because I do think that
Speaker 5: what you just said about running game and defense travels.
Speaker 5: I'm a big believer in he who owns the line
Speaker 5: of scrimmage owns the spread. So I'm giving you a
Speaker 5: seventy five sharp, not gins you knife sharp, but sharp.
Speaker 2: Here's another favorite I like. So I think this is
Speaker 2: one of the biggest coaching missmatches of the week. Miami
Speaker 2: minus five and a half against the Jets. When Robert
Speaker 2: Sala left the building, they lost their only elite football coach.
Speaker 2: It is a bad staff. It is a quarterback that
Speaker 2: has not regressed to Kirk Cousins level last week, but
Speaker 2: has regressed. Aaron is not a top fifteen quarterback. Miami
Speaker 2: has to win. They're at home. I think it's an
Speaker 2: excellent coaching staff with some limitations North with Tua. You
Speaker 2: get Tua back home five and a half. If you
Speaker 2: told me one game's a blowout this week, I mean
Speaker 2: I'm watching. I'm watching the Jets blow games to Denver
Speaker 2: and Seattle at home. Let's not forget what Miami is.
Speaker 2: North against green Bay short week. That was one of
Speaker 2: the easy bets of the year. Come home, superior staff.
Speaker 2: I think they hammer the Jets sharper square.
Speaker 5: So it's square. But I'll tell you what you're right
Speaker 5: And like Miami is one of the biggest bets I've
Speaker 5: made this weekend. It's one of the biggest bets Simon
Speaker 5: has made this weekend. I can't understand the move on this.
Speaker 5: It's gone from seven to six and a half to six.
Speaker 5: In some places, you're saying five and a half, Like
Speaker 5: it makes no sense. It makes no sense that professional
Speaker 5: money keeps coming in on the Jets, and it's been
Speaker 5: happening literally every single week. The last time the Jets
Speaker 5: were underdogs was Week six against the Bills. They were
Speaker 5: one and a half point underdogs, and that line moved
Speaker 5: in their favor like if the game had been twenty
Speaker 5: four hours later, it might have been pick. And it's
Speaker 5: not like their favorites against bad teams. They were favorites
Speaker 5: against Houston, they were favorites against Arizona, they were favorites
Speaker 5: against Pittsburgh. Like it. This is a bad team since
Speaker 5: Robert Sala was fired as coach thirty first in EPA
Speaker 5: for play like, they are a very very bad football
Speaker 5: team right now. Aaron Rodgers is not mobile. And you're
Speaker 5: looking at a Dolphins team you just said with Tua
Speaker 5: when they're home and they're playing a bad team. So
Speaker 5: a team that has a winning percentage of two fifty
Speaker 5: or less, which is what the Jets have to seven
Speaker 5: and one against the spread in his career, this is
Speaker 5: not a team that underperforms against bad teams. This is
Speaker 5: when they actually do their best. So I'm with you,
Speaker 5: and like, all I would say is, if you like
Speaker 5: the Dolphins, you might want a way to beat because
Speaker 5: the line might continue to move. The Jets get big
Speaker 5: money every single Sunday. It is astonishing. I don't understand it.
Speaker 2: Let me throw you another favorite. Kansas City at home
Speaker 2: minus four against the Chargers. So there are certain teams
Speaker 2: that match up with Kansas City teams that can beat
Speaker 2: them down the field. Denver, for instance, Mims Courtland Sutton
Speaker 2: can force them to be more honest. Okay, the Chargers
Speaker 2: lack playmakers and now the ones they have are Hurt
Speaker 2: Lad mcconkey's hurt JK.
Speaker 3: Dopp.
Speaker 2: There is no pop and that allows Spags to be
Speaker 2: even more aggressive when you play a Buffalo. I think
Speaker 2: Denver's one of these teams that I don't think we
Speaker 2: get how good they are. They can really punish you
Speaker 2: down the field. The Chargers can't. This is a bad
Speaker 2: spot for a dinged up Chargers team. Kansas City minus
Speaker 2: four is my second third favorite pick of the weekend.
Speaker 5: Sharper Square totally sharp and it's rare that the wise
Speaker 5: guys would come in on Kansas City as a plus
Speaker 5: a field go favorite in the division against a team
Speaker 5: like the Chargers, which historically you get a team like
Speaker 5: the Chargers. They're physical at the line of scrimmage, they
Speaker 5: have a really good coach, the quarterback doesn't make mistakes.
Speaker 5: That's what you want to bet on if you're a professional.
Speaker 5: Better against a very public team like the Kansas City
Speaker 5: Chiefs when Patrick Mahomes in his career as a favorite
Speaker 5: of three or more is historically under five hundred against
Speaker 5: the spread about forty five forty six percent. But what's
Speaker 5: happening here is exactly what you said. Ever since JK.
Speaker 5: Dobbins went out against the Ravens at the end of
Speaker 5: that first half, the Chargers have not been able to
Speaker 5: move the ball. Justin Herbert had been using play action
Speaker 5: considerably more since he came back from the by and
Speaker 5: his high ankle spray had improved. That's because JK. Dobbins
Speaker 5: was in the backfield. He was able to pull linebackers up.
Speaker 5: He was able to get more throwing windows, specifically to
Speaker 5: Lad McConkie and to Will Disley. Right JK. Dobbins goes out,
Speaker 5: they lose all downfield passing ability against the Ravens, and
Speaker 5: then last week they only had fifty six yard rushing
Speaker 5: yards rushing against the Falcons in a game that they
Speaker 5: easily could have lost if Kirk Cousins wasn't doing his
Speaker 5: own Southern version of Aaron Rodgers, so it's a real
Speaker 5: tricky spot for them. JK. Dobbins still out. Lad McConkie
Speaker 5: limited in practice this week with continuing shoulder injury and
Speaker 5: now a new injury to his knee. I agree with you.
Speaker 5: The wise guys agree with you. The Chiefs meanwhile, they
Speaker 5: may start DJ Humphries, which would be an incredible improvement
Speaker 5: at left tackle. They had three guys on the injury
Speaker 5: report out of Wednesday. All of them were full participants
Speaker 5: in practice. They had a little bit of a mini buy.
Speaker 5: I think they'll recognize that they've been plateauing a little
Speaker 5: bit and get an opportunity to get healthy. The wise
Speaker 5: guys agree with you very sharp.
Speaker 2: So I'm going to give you one more favorite and
Speaker 2: they'll go into some underdogs. So the Raiders played ten rookies.
Speaker 2: They're beat up and they're just playing kids, and they
Speaker 2: play hard, but disappointing loss after disappointing loss. Tampa meanwhile
Speaker 2: played poorly and won. I love teams that play poorly
Speaker 2: and win. The following week, Sean payton Alis told me
Speaker 2: it's always the best week of practice. You can dog
Speaker 2: cuss them all week, but they're happy because they won.
Speaker 2: Tampa's good team. Jason Light's always been able to stack
Speaker 2: this roster, Baker, Mayfield and Sam Darnold. We have to
Speaker 2: be honest. Now they can play when you give them
Speaker 2: the right coach. It can be a Liam Cohen, it
Speaker 2: can be a Kevin O'Connell. Guys can sling it. They're good.
Speaker 2: Tampa is playing. They have to beat Atlanta outright, because
Speaker 2: Atlanta beat them twice. So these are playoff games for Tampa.
Speaker 2: The Raiders are playing kids. They're sitting there, Antonio Pearson,
Speaker 2: Tom Tolesco, They're looking at film, they're trying to judge.
Speaker 2: They're already on the next year. I know it's six
Speaker 2: and a half, but I like the Bucks sharper square.
Speaker 3: So it's square but square.
Speaker 5: Because of the number it moved from seven to six
Speaker 5: and a half. I think the wise guys continue to
Speaker 5: want to play the Raiders when into big number. They
Speaker 5: feel like the Bucks will continue to let teams that
Speaker 5: aren't as good stay in it. Baker, as much as
Speaker 5: he's balling out and I think has earned a lot
Speaker 5: of respect from fans, from media, from his teammates, he's
Speaker 5: still prone to make mistakes. We saw it against the
Speaker 5: Panthers two critical interceptions. So this is really about the number.
Speaker 5: It's not about anything on the field. They're just looking
Speaker 5: at and saying seven fields like inflation for the Bucks.
Speaker 2: I'd like to say I like this underdog. I really don't,
Speaker 2: but it's screaming at me. So I think the Steelers
Speaker 2: are going to beat the Browns, but I don't think
Speaker 2: Jamis Winston is going to have another two pick six game.
Speaker 2: And frankly, in a division rivalry, Cleveland matches up with Pittsburgh. Hell,
Speaker 2: they matched up and had Denver I thought beat. I
Speaker 2: think Cleveland's got a good roster and a really good coach.
Speaker 3: Six and a half.
Speaker 2: Seems to me the number should be three and a half,
Speaker 2: four and a half. I'm gonna take Cleveland plus six
Speaker 2: and a half. Sharper square, totally sharp. This shouldn't even
Speaker 2: be a question. Everything that you're sort of half in
Speaker 2: on is one hundred percent right.
Speaker 5: Number one. This is a division game in the AFC North.
Speaker 5: These games always tend to be closer than what the
Speaker 5: spread should be, and favor the underdog. Also, Mike Tomlin.
Speaker 5: Mike Tomlin as an underdog is brilliant. It is a
Speaker 5: raw rab Mike Tomlin spot when he is on the
Speaker 5: road as an underdog. When he is at home as
Speaker 5: an underdog, he is the most profitable coach as an
Speaker 5: underdog this generation the past twenty years, often winning times
Speaker 5: straight up. Forget about just covering the spread. As great
Speaker 5: as he is as an underdog is as ineffective he
Speaker 5: is as a favorite. Now he's a six and a
Speaker 5: half point favorite. We're talking about forty five percent against
Speaker 5: the spread in similar scenarios throughout his career. And look,
Speaker 5: Jamis is one of those guys. Last week I loved
Speaker 5: the Broncos because Jamis was so good the week before.
Speaker 5: I tend to want to fade Jamis after he's been great.
Speaker 5: And while it took two pick sixes and an interception
Speaker 5: in the end zone to get there, what we expected
Speaker 5: to happen with Jamis is exactly what happened when Jamis
Speaker 5: is off of a loss, that is, when he is
Speaker 5: great against the spread. And I do think that there
Speaker 5: has to be some kind of aggression on Russell Wilson's
Speaker 5: ability to throw these moonballs and consistently have them caught
Speaker 5: in crazy, crazy circumstances. So the wise guys are with you.
Speaker 5: Take the Browns plus six and a half.
Speaker 2: So a game, there's a game every week. I say, hey,
Speaker 2: I just want to ask you about and I looked
Speaker 2: at the Falcons plus six Minnesota. Kirk Cousins was He
Speaker 2: looked like if Justin Verlander threw an eighty one mom
Speaker 2: hour fastball. What am I watching? Is it an injury
Speaker 2: in the last two weeks. Something's off. So older players
Speaker 2: get hurt more. They play with pride and play through injuries.
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers' stories, you've heard about Kirk Cousins. This is
Speaker 2: just screaming take the Vikings. But again, Atlanta is playing
Speaker 2: to win the division. Kirk Cousins can't play like that. Again,
Speaker 2: the protection will be good. Kirk can handle Brian Flores coverages.
Speaker 2: He's seen everything.
Speaker 3: Tell me where I'm supposed to go with that number, Minnesota.
Speaker 5: This number has been moving up. The only concern you
Speaker 5: should have is that you're not getting the best of
Speaker 5: the number. Because it opened at five, it went to
Speaker 5: five and a half streaming towards six. I disagree that
Speaker 5: Kirk Cousins can handle what Brian Flores is going to
Speaker 5: throw at him. Brian Flora's defense is exactly what troubles
Speaker 5: Kirk Cousins against. Sure, he has the most turnover worthy
Speaker 5: throws in the NFL this year. Then don't forget this
Speaker 5: Vikings defense is incredible against the run. They're incredible against
Speaker 5: the run outside the tackles, They're incredible against the run
Speaker 5: inside the tackles. They are really efficient in stopping the run.
Speaker 5: The strength of the Falcons right now, it's Bjon Robinson right.
Speaker 5: Nobody can figure out what to do with Kyle Pitts.
Speaker 5: The next coach, coordinator, quarterback who can figure out what
Speaker 5: to do with Kyle Pitts could end up going to
Speaker 5: the Hall of Fame because all we ever hear about
Speaker 5: is Kyle Pitts is the weapon who can unlock the
Speaker 5: Atlanta Falcons offense and nobody has been able to figure
Speaker 5: out how to do it. And Kirk Cousins since that
Speaker 5: streaky start seventeen touchdowns, seven interceptions to start the year,
Speaker 5: the past three games since they started six and three,
Speaker 5: zero touchdown passes, six interceptions, seven sacks. And let's not
Speaker 5: forget he had nearly eight hundred yards and eight touchdowns
Speaker 5: in two of those first nine games against the tenth
Speaker 5: Bay Buccaneers. So that's sort of let's not confuse ourselves
Speaker 5: into believing that Kirk Cousins is just having a little
Speaker 5: bit of a bad rough patch right now. He's just
Speaker 5: not mobile and he's not playing well, and he's had
Speaker 5: two good games that have made the numbers look really good.
Speaker 5: So the wise guys like Minnesota here, all right.
Speaker 2: A little shift up. I want to talk one college game.
Speaker 2: So these are my instincts. This is my favorite college
Speaker 2: bat of the weekend.
Speaker 3: Georgia plays Texas. I like the over.
Speaker 2: Here's why Georgia played an eight overtime game. Okay, that
Speaker 2: doesn't affect the offense. Carson Becks had three straight games,
Speaker 2: eleven touchdowns, no picks. He's fine. It decimates a defense.
Speaker 2: You play a extra twenty eight snaps. Georgia looked tired
Speaker 2: last week against Georgia Tech.
Speaker 3: They're going to be banged up.
Speaker 2: Also, Texas got humiliated up front offensively in Austin. They
Speaker 2: have something to prove. They also played their worst offensive
Speaker 2: game of the year last week against Texas A and M,
Speaker 2: So Texas is going to play inspired offensive football. Georgia's
Speaker 2: defense is done, but their offense is still. You know,
Speaker 2: these are the two best quarterbacks in the sec Carson
Speaker 2: Beck and Quinn Ewers. In terms of like efficiency, I
Speaker 2: love the over in this game. I think it actually
Speaker 2: ends up being a kind of just a wild shootout
Speaker 2: with a Georgia defense that just is out of gas.
Speaker 2: The over underlying DraftKings. I don't know what it is
Speaker 2: exactly right now. If you find it, you can tell me,
Speaker 2: but that's my favorite college bet in weeks.
Speaker 5: Look, it's interesting. Chris Long, who has a brilliant podcast,
Speaker 5: the green Light Podcast. Yeah, he makes great points about
Speaker 5: the challenge of overtime on an NFL player, and that
Speaker 5: literally every hour of recovery matters when you are playing
Speaker 5: in the NFL. And if you got the four pm
Speaker 5: game and it ends at eight because your game went
Speaker 5: into overtime, that's a real impact on your body and
Speaker 5: your ability to recover. I know the game for Georgia
Speaker 5: and Georgia Tech was on Friday night, but I'm not
Speaker 5: discounting the impact of an overtime game like that, because
Speaker 5: I do think that it's really really hard on the body,
Speaker 5: and I do think these offenses are both primed to
Speaker 5: blow up, So don't I don't hate your pick and.
Speaker 2: A half forty nine and a half. That is not
Speaker 2: a big number.
Speaker 5: Not a big number at all. Like I was looking
Speaker 5: it up as you were looking up as well, when
Speaker 5: you were talking about it, I didn't have it at
Speaker 5: the top of my head. In my head it was
Speaker 5: fifty one. So just thinking about these teams, forty nine
Speaker 5: and a half feels a little bit low. Now I'm
Speaker 5: looking in the app and I'm seeing do I have
Speaker 5: any total picks right now? I don't. Uh no, pit Wait,
Speaker 5: let's see one thing here. You know what I got.
Speaker 5: I got one under And that said so far from
Speaker 5: sort of the experts. Okay, let's be different. Let's be
Speaker 5: different and take the over.
Speaker 2: The You know what's funny about college football? So I
Speaker 2: had Notre Dame to cover, I had Oregon to cover,
Speaker 2: I had Ohio State to cover. You know, it's funny,
Speaker 2: and I've lived off this my entire career. New information,
Speaker 2: new opinion. I don't think it's flip flopping. I always say,
Speaker 2: if you were getting on a flight and the pilot said, listen,
Speaker 2: we've had a weather change. But instead of a new
Speaker 2: flight plan, I'm gonna fly right into the lightning storm,
Speaker 2: you'd be like, that's not smart, right, Like I don't
Speaker 2: understand like bloggers or media critics who are like you
Speaker 2: changed your mind every day of my life. I changed
Speaker 2: my mind because I'm curious and I seek new information.
Speaker 2: I sell stocks regularly new information. So it's funny about
Speaker 2: Ohio State. I said, I always had Ryan Day as
Speaker 2: a coach that could win a national championship, but that
Speaker 2: coaching was so weird that I have eliminated him from
Speaker 2: that category, where now I have like Lane Kiffin, Sark,
Speaker 2: Kaylin de boor Dan Lanning. You know guys I think
Speaker 2: can win a national championship, they just haven't yet.
Speaker 3: They're good coaches.
Speaker 2: I had Ryan Dan that Now I think to myself, okay,
Speaker 2: that's that's hyperbolic, that's overreacting, But there are things you want.
Speaker 2: I always use the example when Randy Moss played for
Speaker 2: the Patriots and it'd been a couple of years. One
Speaker 2: Monday night game against Miami, they literally didn't target him,
Speaker 2: and I said, oh, this is his last game as Patriot.
Speaker 2: And I went on the next day and said, people
Speaker 2: are like, you're overreacting. I'm like, you do not target
Speaker 2: Randy Moss once in a football game with Tom Brady.
Speaker 2: Somebody's pissed off. Somebody got he was probably close to
Speaker 2: a DNP. Something's going well.
Speaker 3: Sure enough he moved.
Speaker 2: Watching that game was so seismic to me. I'm like
Speaker 2: I I thought Ryan Day was coaching to prove a point.
Speaker 2: That was as bad a coaching as I've ever seen
Speaker 2: in a big spot.
Speaker 5: You nailed it. You and I had this conversation before
Speaker 5: Thanksgiving about Ryan Day and about the pressure he is
Speaker 5: under and how there's not a single coach in the
Speaker 5: playoff who, unless they win the National Championship, wouldn't be
Speaker 5: back next year. Only Ryan Day has that kind of pressure.
Speaker 5: He is now been coaching well in big games his
Speaker 5: entire career, four straight losses to Michigan, and this game
Speaker 5: exactly what you just said I think is true. It
Speaker 5: felt like he was coaching. And again he doesn't call
Speaker 5: the plays, it's Chip Kelly calling the plays. But the
Speaker 5: way the team performed, it felt like he was trying
Speaker 5: to prove they're super strong, they're super physical, They're going
Speaker 5: to punch him in the mouth, and all the aggression
Speaker 5: he's been feeling for years is coming out in that game.
Speaker 5: And then at the end his team is getting into
Speaker 5: a fistfight with the Michigan team, and he's standing there
Speaker 5: and just asking what's happening, what's going on? Like it's
Speaker 5: just I can't imagine he's back in Ohio State next year.
Speaker 5: And I know I don't like talking about people's jobs.
Speaker 5: Nobody does. But he has not performed at the level
Speaker 5: of expectation. It's great.
Speaker 2: If he lost to Josh Hipel in the first round,
Speaker 2: I think he'd be in big trouble.
Speaker 5: I think if he doesn't win a national title, he's
Speaker 5: in big trouble. Look, Colin, they spend twenty million dollars.
Speaker 5: They got Jim Knowles, who's a legendary defensive coordinator. They
Speaker 5: got Chip Kelly, who revolutionized the game. They can go
Speaker 5: into the portal get anybody they want. They can recruit
Speaker 5: anybody they want. They've lost two games this year. The
Speaker 5: first game of the year that they had six months
Speaker 5: to prepare for and they got railroaded, and they got
Speaker 5: beat up in a fistfight with a team that is
Speaker 5: incredibly overmatched in terms of talent, and they lost at
Speaker 5: home to a team that they had been thinking about
Speaker 5: beating for three hundred and sixty four days. You can't
Speaker 5: keep that guy if he doesn't win a national title.
Speaker 2: I would, but I think him in the minority. I
Speaker 2: think if he lost to Tennessee, I'd struggle. But if
Speaker 2: I think if he won a couple of games and
Speaker 2: let's say lost to Texas in you know, the final
Speaker 2: four in overtime, I'd be like, okay, Texas. I mean,
Speaker 2: the only two teams I've seen. I think we don't
Speaker 2: have a great team in college football. But I thought
Speaker 2: before last weekend Texas and Oregon were really good, and
Speaker 2: so is Ohio State. Those are really good teams.
Speaker 3: Very rarely in.
Speaker 2: College football do you get a great team. The Joe
Speaker 2: Burrow team with you know, justin Jefferson Jamar h that's
Speaker 2: a great team. The Reggie Bush teams. A couple of
Speaker 2: those were insane. Miami had a team at the end
Speaker 2: of the Butch Davis run. They had like twenty two
Speaker 2: NFL guys, the Lawrence Phillips Tommy Fraser Nebraska team, the
Speaker 2: seventy two USC Trojans. You get these teams that are like,
Speaker 2: oh god, there, you know this. This is a year
Speaker 2: full of good to very good teams. But people forget
Speaker 2: this too. Ohio State struggled at Penn State that was
Speaker 2: a clunky win.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 2: It was an inartistic clunky win. There and I and
Speaker 2: maybe a Penn State will prove me wrong, but I
Speaker 2: think Oregon beats on this weekend, so I I listen.
Speaker 2: Here's all you need to know about coaching is a
Speaker 2: team overperforming or underperforming. Ohio State has underperformed as much
Speaker 2: as any big name program this year.
Speaker 5: Yeah, everything you just said says to me you think
Speaker 5: he shouldn't come back unless he went to the national title.
Speaker 5: I feel like you're.
Speaker 3: Well, I don't being soft all of a sudden, there's
Speaker 3: no great coach in the offing. There is.
Speaker 2: I mean, urban Meyer would be my choice. I don't
Speaker 2: think he'll come back. I the first thing I asked,
Speaker 2: I don't care if it's the volume. I don't care
Speaker 2: if it's as an athletic director. The first thing is, well,
Speaker 2: what's what's the hiring market? Like like, I don't like
Speaker 2: making moves like I even even you know I've dinked
Speaker 2: around with real life State and you know Oas calls
Speaker 2: me like I'm the circler. I'll circle something for you.
Speaker 2: I'll drive by the property in the morning, I'll drive
Speaker 2: by at night. I'll drive by on the weekends, I'll circle.
Speaker 2: I'm somebody that's I wouldn't say cautious, but I tend
Speaker 2: to circle stuff before I do it. So the first
Speaker 2: thing I would do if I'm the athletic director is
Speaker 2: all right, what's the market like? And some years you
Speaker 2: get Brian Kelly's available, and you're like, you know, there
Speaker 2: are years like last year in the NFL there was
Speaker 2: one good NFL opening, the Chargers because of Justin Herbert.
Speaker 2: They had a left tackle, they had a quarterback, they
Speaker 2: had a Bosa rushing off the edge, they had a
Speaker 2: great safety. You're like, that's a pretty good job. And
Speaker 2: it's in LA, right, you can get free agents. But
Speaker 2: like this year in the NFL, Chicago's the best job.
Speaker 2: Mccaskey's are the poorest owners own it since the twenties.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if Kevin Warren at president is the
Speaker 2: right guy. We don't know much about Ryan Poles, Like
Speaker 2: that's the best job. So there's not a lot of
Speaker 2: great job opening, and there's not a lot of great candidates,
Speaker 2: and so to me, it's like I would keep Ryan
Speaker 2: Day and I would just keep my eye out if
Speaker 2: he you know, I would say this I'm on warning.
Speaker 2: Now we're going into a season I have I have been.
Speaker 2: I may have gone into this season thinking he's here forever.
Speaker 2: I go into next season thinking stubs his toe. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna make calls. That's how I would do it.
Speaker 5: Ohio State is one of the two three best coaching jobs.
Speaker 2: Ohn in college football, right, yeah, oh, absolutely, probably top two.
Speaker 5: Yeah you think if they got rid of Ryan Day,
Speaker 5: they couldn't pry one of the best coaches from another
Speaker 5: program away.
Speaker 3: Well, well, look at.
Speaker 5: What Like I'm not saying that Washington was a top
Speaker 5: notch program, but Washington had been built quickly by Kaitlin
Speaker 5: de Boor and they were International title game last year.
Speaker 5: Nick sab unexpectedly retires, they got him immediately, And so
Speaker 5: I don't believe that Ohio State would not fire Ryan
Speaker 5: Day just because they don't think they can find a candidate.
Speaker 5: They can get anybody they want. They might be able
Speaker 5: to go into the NFL and get a great candidate
Speaker 5: who is a top notch coach who's dreamed of coach.
Speaker 5: They could get Mike Rabel, Right, I'm just saying, like,
Speaker 5: not knowing the current candidate pool wouldn't stop me from
Speaker 5: doing it because Ohio State is such a good job.
Speaker 5: The candidate pool is everybody.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Gruden may be toxic to NFL people, but he's
Speaker 2: not toxic in college football. I would call John Gruden
Speaker 2: tomorrow for the Ohio.
Speaker 5: ESK job, and Gruden would crush that.
Speaker 2: Yes, that would be my choice because I you know,
Speaker 2: there's some I think he still has a lawsuit or
Speaker 2: something of the NFL and there's some toxicity there, but
Speaker 2: college doesn't care.
Speaker 3: What do they care?
Speaker 5: And he'd I mean, are you kidding me? A football
Speaker 5: guy like Gruden.
Speaker 3: And he's also a bad personality.
Speaker 5: He'd be a great eight recruiter, great recruiter, great with boosters.
Speaker 5: Whatever ni Ow money they have would get bigger like.
Speaker 2: And he's also he you know, he likes personnel like
Speaker 2: Andy Reid has no interest, but there are you know,
Speaker 2: McVeigh has interest, Sean Payton likes personnel, Jimmy Johnson did.
Speaker 2: Gruden likes personnel. He enjoys the process of recruiting and
Speaker 2: judging players. So yeah, I mean that that would be
Speaker 2: my first choice. Urban's my first choice. But he's been
Speaker 2: there and he's got a job.
Speaker 5: I feel like you're coming around. I feel like you're
Speaker 5: coming around to the idea that there's there could be
Speaker 5: a candidate out there if Ohio State decided they wanted
Speaker 5: to go find a new coach.
Speaker 2: Chad Millman, Sharper Square, good talk to anybody.
Speaker 5: Good to see your brother.
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