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Speaker 2: The Broncos at Home is a favorite, winning forty one

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Speaker 2: thirty two, three picks two pick six is against Jamis

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Speaker 2: Winston with the Broncos. Win Bo Nicks is now the

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Speaker 2: first quarterback ever to go six and zero. Is a

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Speaker 2: favorite in his rookie season. So and I look at

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Speaker 2: him now. They're eight and five Denver in the seventh seed.

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Speaker 2: They get a bye, perfect time for a buye to

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Speaker 2: get healthy, awful win in a good mood, and then

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Speaker 2: they host a Colts team that can struggle to move

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Speaker 2: the football. So this this was my pick for the

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Speaker 2: most underrated team in the league, the Denver Broncos. It

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Speaker 2: was not just Sean Payton, but of course Sean Payton

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Speaker 2: was part of it. He's a great coach, you know,

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Speaker 2: take out Andy Reid. Honestly, take out Andy Reid. Who's

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Speaker 2: the best coach.

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Speaker 3: In the league.

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Speaker 2: Jim Harbaugh, Sean Payton, I mean, Kyle Shannan's having, you know,

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Speaker 2: every few years, a rough year. So Sean Payton in

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Speaker 2: one season turned around the worst franchise maybe in my life,

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Speaker 2: the New Orleans Saints. And he's doing it, you know,

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Speaker 2: in year two with the Denver Broncos eight and five.

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Speaker 2: You know, And what's interesting is I want to talk

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Speaker 2: about Jameis Winston. Jamis is a combination of a multitude

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Speaker 2: of things. He didn't have great judgment, but he's wildly talented,

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Speaker 2: so there was a beautiful football.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: He threw almost sixty times tonight, two pick six's, and

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Speaker 2: he makes bad throws. He's a combination of consistently productive

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Speaker 2: but inconsistent as not many people like him. If he

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Speaker 2: was a baseball player, he'd be like Adam Dunn or

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Speaker 2: Dave Kingman, home runner, strikeout. But I've always liked watching

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Speaker 2: him play because he's just he'll always do something. He's

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Speaker 2: just incredibly entertaining to watch, and he's got a weird personality.

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Speaker 2: But like players like him. He's probably the best quarterback

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Speaker 2: in the NFL that I would never build around. But

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Speaker 2: if he's a backup, he's the best backup by a

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Speaker 2: mile in the league, by a mile. Winston is a

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Speaker 2: little like that bachelor party in Vegas with the guys.

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Speaker 2: It's a lot of fun, but there's gonna be some

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Speaker 2: really bad judgment and you'll probably end up regretting it.

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Speaker 2: That's that's Jameis Winston's career. He is a good time,

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Speaker 2: but you look back and think, humhm, what were we thinking?

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Speaker 2: That was a little dangerous. I wouldn't do that again.

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Speaker 3: And he's he's a little.

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Speaker 2: Bit the opposite of boon Nicks, whereas bo Nicks, I

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Speaker 2: think has great judgment, has a lower ceiling, actually runs.

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Speaker 2: It's more athletic than Jameis Winston doesn't quite have Jamis's arm.

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Speaker 2: But again, like on that final drive, you this, the

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Speaker 2: you know, bow knicks four or five fifty eight yards

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Speaker 2: sets up for the field goal. They take the lead,

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Speaker 2: a couple of big throws to Courtland. Sutton, by the way,

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Speaker 2: now has two fourth quarter comebacks this year. How many

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Speaker 2: is Aaron Rodgers have? That, by the way, is more

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Speaker 2: than Herbert Allen Russ Rodgers Burrow commined, So he's and

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Speaker 2: the editor thing, did you see Sean Payton regularly two

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Speaker 2: different opportunities having him drop back in the end zone

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Speaker 2: his judgment. Just when I see Bonicks play, what I

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Speaker 2: see is confidence. I mean, he had a pick down

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Speaker 2: He I saw him play in college twice live, ten

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Speaker 2: like his arm is better as a pro. Is the

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Speaker 2: just when I watched Denver, I said this in the offseason.

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Speaker 2: They've got too many good players, you know, even the

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Speaker 2: receiving court A Mims of Franklin's got some talent. Courtland

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Speaker 2: sometton I've liked forever. Their running backs are capable. Bowls

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Speaker 2: is an elite left tackle. They ran the football tonight.

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Speaker 2: There's just not a lot I don't like about him.

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Speaker 2: It's a quarterback coach league, and they've got weapons. They've

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Speaker 2: got a pass rusher, they got a left tackle, they

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Speaker 3: We say this all the time.

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Speaker 2: Remember when the Rams surprised everybody last year, And I

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Speaker 2: said McVeigh, Stafford, Cooper cup Cooka Nakua, Like, if you

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Speaker 2: have the coach, the quarterback, weapons, a left tackle and

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Speaker 2: a pass rusher, You're gonna be good in this league.

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Speaker 2: And so they check a lot of boxes, and I

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Speaker 2: think Bonnick's having so many college starts, you're just ready

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Speaker 2: to play. Now we may be seeing his ceiling. This

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Speaker 2: you can get to a conference championship with this, with

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Speaker 2: Sean Payton's coaching. And remember this is probably the leanest

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Speaker 2: going to have Russell Wilson's cap hit is still part

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Speaker 2: after that you're home free. So you know, I'm just

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Speaker 2: I'm looking at bow Knicks on third down tonight, seven

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Speaker 2: fourth quarter, come from behind, excellent on third down. They

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Speaker 2: got their guy and throw this out there. Rookie quarterbacks

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Speaker 2: eighteen and one and bo Nix beat him. It's a

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Speaker 2: it was just getting a lot of hits in this

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Speaker 2: it was just preseason, but he looked good. And Michael Pennox,

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Speaker 2: that to Shaun Watson contract is the worst in the

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Speaker 2: history of the league, there's no.

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Speaker 3: Doubt about it.

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Speaker 2: But yet teams can go find a Baker Mayfield on

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Speaker 2: his third or fourth team, a Sam Darnold at Jamis Winston.

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Speaker 2: The quarterback coaching is better right than ever. Guys are rehabbing.

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Speaker 2: Geno Smith could win the division. I mean, you're just

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Speaker 2: we all thought, basically Gino Smith was done. You know,

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Speaker 2: I'm watching him spine. You know, Jamis Winston I thought

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Speaker 2: odd bird. But I you know, I it's I love

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Speaker 2: to see when these young quarterbacks hit. And I can

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Speaker 2: remember before the season I had talked to I think

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Speaker 2: I think it was Mark Sanchez said to me. He said,

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Speaker 2: as a rookie. He said, Caleb, Drake May and Jaden

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Speaker 2: Daniels have defensive coaches, so it's going to depend on

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Speaker 2: the coordinator. The sensibility of the franchise is going to

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Speaker 2: be in Denver, highly efficient and very aggressive offensively, like

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Speaker 2: a constant tutor of Sean Payte. He said, that's going

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Speaker 2: to be such an an advantage plus the sixty one

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Speaker 2: Denver's a real team. And again it goes back to components. Coach, quarterback,

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Speaker 2: pass rusher, weapon, left tackle, elite corner. Those check all

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Speaker 2: the boxes. This to me, Denver could absolutely, even as

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Speaker 3: And I think, you know it's this year? Is it me?

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Speaker 2: Or have the standalone games been really really good this year?

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Speaker 3: If it is, I'll watch.

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Speaker 2: And we've had some really good standalone games on Sunday Night,

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Speaker 2: Monday Night Football, Thursday Night football. And the speaking of quarterbacks,

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Speaker 2: I was thinking about this yesterday. I think Bryce Young.

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Speaker 2: Young is every bit as good or better than c J.

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Speaker 2: So again, the quarterback coaching these guys come in was

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Speaker 2: Sean Payton and Boonex were ready to be really good

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Speaker 2: take some work. They got to get the right coach.

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Speaker 2: But Broncos are eight and five, another win a bye,

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Speaker 2: they host the Colts, and I think it's the team

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Speaker 2: I mean, the one team in the AFC which doesn't

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Speaker 2: dysfunctional organization.

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Speaker 3: He's actually bad at it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I would be very interested in act parsing

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Speaker 1: the data on like number of opportunities. Is it at

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Speaker 1: all possible that Aaron Rodgers has had fewer opportunities than

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Speaker 1: you would expect because he's so damn good and his

435
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Speaker 1: team was always winning.

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Speaker 2: Russell Wilson and Seattle didn't trail much and he has

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Speaker 2: three percent more.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, fair enough, Rogers, you and I I definitely

439
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Speaker 1: fall for the aesthetic of it.

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Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers won four MVPs some of Aaron Rodgers's peak

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Speaker 3: until Mahomes came along.

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Speaker 1: I would always say it was the best I'd ever seen,

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Speaker 1: and it was better than Brady and it was better

444
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Speaker 1: than Manning. Not more accomplished or anything like that, but

445
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Speaker 1: just guy had a forty five touchdown six interception season,

446
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Speaker 1: like it was just stupid. His ability to be a

447
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Speaker 1: big game hunter, hunt for touchdowns, throw the ball down

448
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Speaker 1: the field and not turn the ball over like Aaron

449
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Speaker 1: Rodgers at his peak of his powers is still about

450
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Speaker 1: as good as ever, and I think crazy influential.

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Speaker 3: Like you mentioned.

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Speaker 1: Mahomes, Mahomes is a a combination of the two. Right,

453
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Speaker 1: Mahomes has the from the pocket Andy Reid extension, brilliant

454
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Speaker 1: snap throw, diagnose everything football guy, and then also can

455
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Speaker 1: throw a ball horizontal to the ground basically like submarine

456
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Speaker 1: style through three dudes. And You're like, I don't think

457
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Speaker 1: I think a robot made that throw. So like Mahomes

458
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Speaker 1: is stylistically, I actually think very similar to Aaron Rodgers,

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Speaker 1: but he has this like weird combination of both, which

460
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Speaker 1: is why he's the most talented to ever do it.

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Speaker 1: I think that the explanation with the Jets is simpler

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Speaker 1: than that. I mean, the guy's old. One guy has

463
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Speaker 1: been good at his age ever and it was Tom

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Speaker 1: Brady won ever. And Aaron Rodgers has other interests and

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Speaker 1: the Jets are really dysfunctional, and he's coming off of

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Speaker 1: a very serious injury. And you know, maybe the Jets

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Speaker 1: bring him back next year. I wouldn't if I were them,

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Speaker 1: I'd eat the forty nine millions, spread it out over

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Speaker 1: two years and just be done with the nonsense in

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Speaker 1: the circus and draft a quarterback and move on. And

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Speaker 1: if they do that, can you name a team that

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Speaker 1: would sign him? I said the Raiders?

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Speaker 3: Maybe?

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Speaker 1: Yes, like like the Raiders maybe intrigue tough division, have

475
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Speaker 1: no shot to win it. You draft a quarterback, you

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Speaker 1: sign Aaron Rodgers. You hope that Rogers has the quarterback

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Speaker 1: sit behind him and has like a Jordan Love situation.

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Speaker 1: Maybe do you have an organization that would pay Aaron

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Speaker 1: Rodgers to play feoball next year?

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Speaker 2: It's funny because Brady now is going to be part

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Speaker 2: of the Raiders ownership group, so Mark Davis would rely

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Speaker 2: on Brady's opinion on that and don't. I'm not going

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Speaker 2: to speak for Tom, but I don't think he holds

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Speaker 2: Aaron in the regard that fandom does. I think Tom

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Speaker 2: sees a guy that relied heavily on talent and didn't

486
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 2: put Brady's obsessive Peyton Manning Breeze's obsessive compulsion to work.

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Speaker 2: I think within Brady.

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Speaker 1: Has to be just disgusted that Aaron Rodgers has other interests.

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Speaker 1: You hosted Jeopardy, you travel.

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Speaker 3: In the off season, you do experimental drugs, and by

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Speaker 3: the way.

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Speaker 1: That trailer, like I'll watch the documentary, but that trailer

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Speaker 1: of him saying I love science or I love silence

494
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: while being miked up and filmed is one of.

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Speaker 3: The most unintentionally hilarious things ever.

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Speaker 1: Like, Buddy, you've got like a camera crew and a

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Speaker 1: sound guy and.

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Speaker 3: You're miked up, but you're doing a darkness retreat.

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Speaker 1: It's just so he's such a oh he says enigma,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, or you're just a pseudo intellectual who

501
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,439
Speaker 1: loves attention and has a massive ego.

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Speaker 3: It's just it's so funny to me the as we

503
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Speaker 3: do what we do. Living.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've never been a really envious person, but as

505
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Speaker 2: I've aged, there are some things in our business that

506
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:18,439
Speaker 2: feel like sometimes minutia, like doing shows in July. In

507
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Speaker 2: the last year, for the first time, I took like

508
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Speaker 2: three weeks off in July. I said, guys, it's.

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Speaker 1: By the way, thank you because I hosted for you

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Speaker 1: July eighth and ninth, and I think it changed my life, so.

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Speaker 3: So please do that again.

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Speaker 2: So the reason July and August have gotten less interesting

513
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Speaker 2: are cultural changes. I believe Sean McVay said I'm not

514
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Speaker 2: playing any of my good players in the preseason, and

515
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Speaker 2: everybody said.

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Speaker 3: You're nuts.

517
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Speaker 2: You'll start off oh to eight, and he started eight

518
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Speaker 2: and oh, and then everybody went, I think he's got it.

519
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 2: And so now the preseason is utterly charmless. There is

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Speaker 2: nothing interesting about it at all. Therefore, those three to

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Speaker 2: four weeks, and they've shortened it from four to three weeks,

522
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Speaker 2: well probably be shortened to two weeks. And August is dead.

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Speaker 2: It's regular season baseball. A lot of the you know

524
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Speaker 2: as the gap between the good and the terrible, and

525
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 2: Major League Baseball widens. The races are settled, you know,

526
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 2: the good teams are resting pitchers, and you know, so

527
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 2: it's a little minutia. So sometimes I think the audience

528
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 2: thinks we do things just for ratings. Of course we

529
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 2: do right. Ratings and revenue drive our entire existence. But

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Speaker 2: I was I was sitting there day and I was

531
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Speaker 2: thinking about the cyclical nature, and I took a calendar out,

532
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Speaker 2: and I thought, here are the busy times, here the

533
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Speaker 2: slow times, And I found, like six weeks. If I

534
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Speaker 2: could ideally take six weeks off a year, six to eight, here.

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Speaker 3: Where they were.

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Speaker 2: And one of the things that was interesting is that

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Speaker 2: in my lifetime only one sport has been created, UFC

538
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 2: that literally becomes part of my life. I'm now watching UFC.

539
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 2: I watched college Pro, NBA March Madness Golf Tournament's tennis,

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00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 2: I watched all Now soccer is more popular, but I

541
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Speaker 2: was watching the United States men's and women's national teams twenty.

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Speaker 3: Five years ago. I didn't care.

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Speaker 2: So UFC is now the one created sport. A lot

544
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Speaker 2: of it's just a force of nature, force of personality

545
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,239
Speaker 2: of Dana White, like renting an Island during COVID just

546
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 2: it really sums up who he is. But I was

547
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Speaker 2: sitting there and I said, you know what, Caitlin Clark

548
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 2: and Angel Reese has a magic bird feel to it.

549
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Speaker 2: And I said, I talked about it ten times this year,

550
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Speaker 2: and I monitor my ratings and the ratings people dug it.

551
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 2: It was often my first or second highest rented segment.

552
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Speaker 2: And I said, I think it's going to become I

553
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Speaker 2: never thought this in a million years. Hell, the teams

554
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 2: don't make any money WNBA. But I'm like, well, do

555
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 2: I have to cover the league? No, I'm going to

556
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Speaker 2: cover Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese. I don't cover boxing,

557
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 2: but about three times a year there's a fight in

558
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Speaker 2: the seventies, eighties, and nineties and you'd say, okay, here's

559
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Speaker 2: Ali Foreman. We would before I got into this business.

560
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Speaker 3: And I know a lot of.

561
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Speaker 2: People will push back and go that's very PC. But

562
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Speaker 2: outside of UFC, I am convinced that Caitlin Clark and

563
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Speaker 2: Angel Reese will be a decade long potential story as

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Speaker 2: long as both teams are viable.

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Speaker 5: Is that a reach?

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Speaker 3: Is that recency bias?

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Speaker 1: No?

568
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Speaker 3: I don't think so.

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Speaker 1: Listen one of the all time great Colin Cowhard analogies

570
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Speaker 1: is that you're in the omelet business, not the egg business.

571
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Speaker 1: I love that line. I think it's so good. You're like,

572
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Speaker 1: my job isn't to make you interesting. I talk about

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Speaker 1: you when you become interesting. I loved that line from you,

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Speaker 1: And so they are interesting. The data supports it, and

575
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: it has a lot of things. Listen, frankly, some of

576
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: it's ugly, right, there's racial components, there's sexism components. Like

577
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 1: some of the stuff that came back on it was

578
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Speaker 1: pretty ugly. But at its core, I always say, rivalries

579
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Speaker 1: are awesome. Yeah, rivalry, That's that's why Steelers Ravens gets

580
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 1: you your juices flowing a little bit, Bears, Packers, Yankees,

581
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Speaker 1: Red Sox, Cubs, Cardinals, Celtics, Lakers.

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Speaker 3: We like it.

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Speaker 1: We like rivalries because I want less hate in the

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Speaker 1: world and more hayen sports and so like, a healthy

585
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Speaker 1: amount of hate is okay to me. Like, I don't

586
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Speaker 1: want there to be riots, but I wasn't like clutching

587
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 1: my pearls over flag planting, you know, I'm like, it's

588
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Speaker 1: kind of funny, Like it's kind of funny that a

589
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 1: two win team plants a flag at midfield and then

590
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: they pushing the show and it goes the other way.

591
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 1: When you're pepper spraying college kids, I'm like, that's ridiculous,

592
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Speaker 1: and I understand that I'm flirting in a gray area

593
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 1: there on advocating something, and then when it gets too far,

594
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 1: I'm like, well that's too far. Sorry, call me a hypocrite.

595
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: I like a little bit of trash talk in my sports.

596
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do something on breakfast Ball tomorrow. I don't

597
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: think taunting should be a penalty in the NFL on

598
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 1: sportsmanlike conduct. If you punch a guy, you spit any

599
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: guy's face, fine, unnecessary roughness, the same thing. Delay a game,

600
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: say thing taunting. Let them trash talk and figure it out.

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00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 1: I'm cool with it. I'll make the case tomorrow on

602
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: the show. That's a meandering way to get to Rivalries

603
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 1: are awesome and star power celebrity. It dates back to

604
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Speaker 1: college familiarity.

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00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 3: We know it.

606
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 1: And then there's also this, and you could speak to this.

607
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: You've been in the game longer than I have. People

608
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 1: like to be a part of something that is growing, right,

609
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: like the World Series. The number was big, it was

610
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Speaker 1: as good as it could have been Yankees and Dodgers, Otani, Judge, Sodo,

611
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: et cetera. But like if baseball got that number thirty

612
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 1: years ago, they would have been appalled. And so like

613
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:51,959
Speaker 1: the general trend of baseball is down in terms of

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Speaker 1: ratings from where it was.

615
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 3: The WNBA the era is going up.

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Speaker 1: People like growth stories, Right, how many companies have you

617
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: invested in or talked to their CEOs out there in

618
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: California where it's like, we don't even need to show profit,

619
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Speaker 1: we just need to show that we're growth and more

620
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Speaker 1: users and all of that stuff. So I think that's

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Speaker 1: the netflicks for years, for almost all of them, for years,

622
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 1: you know, like the line in David Fincher's The Social Network,

623
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Speaker 1: like don't you're throwing a cool party? You know, a

624
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 1: million dollars isn't cool? You know it is a billion dollars,

625
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: Like don't don't take an ad when you got on

626
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Speaker 1: one hundred college campuses. Wait until you're in one hundred

627
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: countries and then do it right, like lose money, keep

628
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 1: getting your funding, and then cash in big at the end.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know how big the WNBA can get,

630
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 1: That's right, I don't like I do have some skepticism

631
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Speaker 1: on how big it can get as as.

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Speaker 3: A whole league teams.

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Speaker 1: Caitlin Clark not rooting for it, obviously, but like say

634
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Speaker 1: she tears her acl in the second week of the season,

635
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Speaker 1: I think that'd be real bad for interest for the

636
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Speaker 1: sport for that season.

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Speaker 3: Right.

638
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: I think it's carried by a very few pockets of

639
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: stars right now. But will it be more popular in

640
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 1: five years than it is today? Yes, Like it is

641
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: clearly a growth enterprise, and I think that that is

642
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Speaker 1: also a really popular phenomenon. Like people like to be

643
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 1: a part of something early in on the grounds or

644
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,760
Speaker 1: I knew this band before they got on the tes

645
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: feel smart? Yes, Oh when when did you sign up

646
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 1: for Blue Sky? Like you know what I mean. Like

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Speaker 2: and I take as its customary. I take Thanksgiving off.

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Speaker 2: It's a short week, it's weird. I tend to like

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Speaker 2: favorites in those big spots. Although the Bear should have

682
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Speaker 2: beaten the Lions. You never know what's going to happen

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Speaker 2: this week. It's interesting. So last week I would have

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Speaker 2: bet a lot of underdogs. This week a lot of

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Speaker 2: I like a lot of favorites. Don't give you an example.

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Speaker 3: Is I.

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Speaker 2: Really like the Bills minus at one point four now

688
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 2: minus three and a half at the Rams. Matt Stafford's

689
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 2: beat up. Buffalo is getting healthier on defense. Buffalo is

690
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 2: a really good team. They have two things now that travel.

691
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 2: One of them is a run game, which is why

692
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 2: they used to be. If you watch Buffalo through the years,

693
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 2: they were a little hot and cold when they got

694
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 2: out of their element because they didn't have a run game.

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00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 2: Defenses and run games travel. This has become a very

696
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Speaker 2: consistent team. The Rams, meanwhile, have not run as well

697
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 2: because of some online injuries, and they're wildly half to

698
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Speaker 2: half inconsistent. I like the Bills minus four or three

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Speaker 2: and a half sharper square.

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Speaker 5: Colin. This is why the Favorites is on the Volume

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Speaker 5: podcast network. You just summarized exactly what Simon and I

702
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Speaker 5: have been saying about this game in our shows this week,

703
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:57,800
Speaker 5: and we surprised ourselves. You said couple things about favorites.

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00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,359
Speaker 5: We like a lot of favorites this week, and we

705
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 5: loved underdogs last week, and it's surprising us that the

706
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Speaker 5: Bills are one of those teams. The Bill's number has

707
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Speaker 5: been bouncing four to three and a half, four to

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Speaker 5: three and a half. At four, the wise guys are

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Speaker 5: generally buying the Rams. At three and a half, they're

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Speaker 5: taking the Bills again. But you could also just as

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00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:24,240
Speaker 5: easily find people in professional ranks who like the Bills

712
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Speaker 5: at minus four. I can't add anything to the analysis

713
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 5: you just said. It's exactly why there is a consistency

714
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 5: to this team that hasn't been there in the past.

715
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 5: The run game is dominant, The Rams rush defense is

716
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 5: not very good. The Rams are not just inconsistent half

717
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:45,359
Speaker 5: to half. They're inconsistent series to series. You can see

718
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Speaker 5: it against the Saints. You saw it the week before

719
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 5: where they barely beat the Patriots, like they have a

720
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:57,320
Speaker 5: couple great series and then they disappear for full quarters

721
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Speaker 5: of the game. Last week, it's the safe they can

722
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Speaker 5: score in the first half. So your handicap is exactly

723
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 5: exactly right. The one thing that is worrying professional betters

724
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Speaker 5: here is the Bills just beat the Chiefs, then they

725
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 5: just beat the Niners, and out of this they got

726
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 5: to go play the Steelers like they're in a gauntlet

727
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Speaker 5: right now. This is a classic letdown spot. I don't

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Speaker 5: think that'll be the case, because I do think that

729
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Speaker 5: what you just said about running game and defense travels.

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Speaker 5: I'm a big believer in he who owns the line

731
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Speaker 5: of scrimmage owns the spread. So I'm giving you a

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Speaker 5: seventy five sharp, not gins you knife sharp, but sharp.

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Speaker 2: Here's another favorite I like. So I think this is

734
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Speaker 2: one of the biggest coaching missmatches of the week. Miami

735
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 2: minus five and a half against the Jets. When Robert

736
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:59,280
Speaker 2: Sala left the building, they lost their only elite football coach.

737
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 2: It is a bad staff. It is a quarterback that

738
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 2: has not regressed to Kirk Cousins level last week, but

739
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 2: has regressed. Aaron is not a top fifteen quarterback. Miami

740
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 2: has to win. They're at home. I think it's an

741
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 2: excellent coaching staff with some limitations North with Tua. You

742
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 2: get Tua back home five and a half. If you

743
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 2: told me one game's a blowout this week, I mean

744
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 2: I'm watching. I'm watching the Jets blow games to Denver

745
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 2: and Seattle at home. Let's not forget what Miami is.

746
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 2: North against green Bay short week. That was one of

747
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 2: the easy bets of the year. Come home, superior staff.

748
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 2: I think they hammer the Jets sharper square.

749
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Speaker 5: So it's square. But I'll tell you what you're right

750
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Speaker 5: And like Miami is one of the biggest bets I've

751
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Speaker 5: made this weekend. It's one of the biggest bets Simon

752
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 5: has made this weekend. I can't understand the move on this.

753
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Speaker 5: It's gone from seven to six and a half to six.

754
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 5: In some places, you're saying five and a half, Like

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Speaker 5: it makes no sense. It makes no sense that professional

756
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 5: money keeps coming in on the Jets, and it's been

757
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 5: happening literally every single week. The last time the Jets

758
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 5: were underdogs was Week six against the Bills. They were

759
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 5: one and a half point underdogs, and that line moved

760
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:24,919
Speaker 5: in their favor like if the game had been twenty

761
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 5: four hours later, it might have been pick. And it's

762
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 5: not like their favorites against bad teams. They were favorites

763
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Speaker 5: against Houston, they were favorites against Arizona, they were favorites

764
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Speaker 5: against Pittsburgh. Like it. This is a bad team since

765
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Speaker 5: Robert Sala was fired as coach thirty first in EPA

766
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 5: for play like, they are a very very bad football

767
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 5: team right now. Aaron Rodgers is not mobile. And you're

768
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Speaker 5: looking at a Dolphins team you just said with Tua

769
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Speaker 5: when they're home and they're playing a bad team. So

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Speaker 5: a team that has a winning percentage of two fifty

771
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 5: or less, which is what the Jets have to seven

772
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Speaker 5: and one against the spread in his career, this is

773
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 5: not a team that underperforms against bad teams. This is

774
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Speaker 5: when they actually do their best. So I'm with you,

775
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 5: and like, all I would say is, if you like

776
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 5: the Dolphins, you might want a way to beat because

777
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 5: the line might continue to move. The Jets get big

778
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 5: money every single Sunday. It is astonishing. I don't understand it.

779
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Speaker 2: Let me throw you another favorite. Kansas City at home

780
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 2: minus four against the Chargers. So there are certain teams

781
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 2: that match up with Kansas City teams that can beat

782
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 2: them down the field. Denver, for instance, Mims Courtland Sutton

783
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,720
Speaker 2: can force them to be more honest. Okay, the Chargers

784
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 2: lack playmakers and now the ones they have are Hurt

785
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 2: Lad mcconkey's hurt JK.

786
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Speaker 3: Dopp.

787
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Speaker 2: There is no pop and that allows Spags to be

788
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,399
Speaker 2: even more aggressive when you play a Buffalo. I think

789
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 2: Denver's one of these teams that I don't think we

790
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 2: get how good they are. They can really punish you

791
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 2: down the field. The Chargers can't. This is a bad

792
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 2: spot for a dinged up Chargers team. Kansas City minus

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00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:12,720
Speaker 2: four is my second third favorite pick of the weekend.

794
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Speaker 5: Sharper Square totally sharp and it's rare that the wise

795
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:21,280
Speaker 5: guys would come in on Kansas City as a plus

796
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:25,439
Speaker 5: a field go favorite in the division against a team

797
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Speaker 5: like the Chargers, which historically you get a team like

798
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 5: the Chargers. They're physical at the line of scrimmage, they

799
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 5: have a really good coach, the quarterback doesn't make mistakes.

800
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 5: That's what you want to bet on if you're a professional.

801
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,839
Speaker 5: Better against a very public team like the Kansas City

802
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,760
Speaker 5: Chiefs when Patrick Mahomes in his career as a favorite

803
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 5: of three or more is historically under five hundred against

804
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:50,399
Speaker 5: the spread about forty five forty six percent. But what's

805
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 5: happening here is exactly what you said. Ever since JK.

806
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 5: Dobbins went out against the Ravens at the end of

807
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 5: that first half, the Chargers have not been able to

808
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,320
Speaker 5: move the ball. Justin Herbert had been using play action

809
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 5: considerably more since he came back from the by and

810
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 5: his high ankle spray had improved. That's because JK. Dobbins

811
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,359
Speaker 5: was in the backfield. He was able to pull linebackers up.

812
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 5: He was able to get more throwing windows, specifically to

813
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 5: Lad McConkie and to Will Disley. Right JK. Dobbins goes out,

814
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 5: they lose all downfield passing ability against the Ravens, and

815
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 5: then last week they only had fifty six yard rushing

816
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 5: yards rushing against the Falcons in a game that they

817
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 5: easily could have lost if Kirk Cousins wasn't doing his

818
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 5: own Southern version of Aaron Rodgers, so it's a real

819
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 5: tricky spot for them. JK. Dobbins still out. Lad McConkie

820
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 5: limited in practice this week with continuing shoulder injury and

821
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Speaker 5: now a new injury to his knee. I agree with you.

822
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 5: The wise guys agree with you. The Chiefs meanwhile, they

823
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 5: may start DJ Humphries, which would be an incredible improvement

824
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,280
Speaker 5: at left tackle. They had three guys on the injury

825
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 5: report out of Wednesday. All of them were full participants

826
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 5: in practice. They had a little bit of a mini buy.

827
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:10,919
Speaker 5: I think they'll recognize that they've been plateauing a little

828
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 5: bit and get an opportunity to get healthy. The wise

829
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 5: guys agree with you very sharp.

830
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 2: So I'm going to give you one more favorite and

831
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 2: they'll go into some underdogs. So the Raiders played ten rookies.

832
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 2: They're beat up and they're just playing kids, and they

833
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 2: play hard, but disappointing loss after disappointing loss. Tampa meanwhile

834
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 2: played poorly and won. I love teams that play poorly

835
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 2: and win. The following week, Sean payton Alis told me

836
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 2: it's always the best week of practice. You can dog

837
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:43,359
Speaker 2: cuss them all week, but they're happy because they won.

838
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 2: Tampa's good team. Jason Light's always been able to stack

839
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 2: this roster, Baker, Mayfield and Sam Darnold. We have to

840
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 2: be honest. Now they can play when you give them

841
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 2: the right coach. It can be a Liam Cohen, it

842
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 2: can be a Kevin O'Connell. Guys can sling it. They're good.

843
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,800
Speaker 2: Tampa is playing. They have to beat Atlanta outright, because

844
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 2: Atlanta beat them twice. So these are playoff games for Tampa.

845
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 2: The Raiders are playing kids. They're sitting there, Antonio Pearson,

846
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,919
Speaker 2: Tom Tolesco, They're looking at film, they're trying to judge.

847
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 2: They're already on the next year. I know it's six

848
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 2: and a half, but I like the Bucks sharper square.

849
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 3: So it's square but square.

850
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 5: Because of the number it moved from seven to six

851
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 5: and a half. I think the wise guys continue to

852
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 5: want to play the Raiders when into big number. They

853
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 5: feel like the Bucks will continue to let teams that

854
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 5: aren't as good stay in it. Baker, as much as

855
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 5: he's balling out and I think has earned a lot

856
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 5: of respect from fans, from media, from his teammates, he's

857
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 5: still prone to make mistakes. We saw it against the

858
00:47:54,600 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 5: Panthers two critical interceptions. So this is really about the number.

859
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,720
Speaker 5: It's not about anything on the field. They're just looking

860
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 5: at and saying seven fields like inflation for the Bucks.

861
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 2: I'd like to say I like this underdog. I really don't,

862
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 2: but it's screaming at me. So I think the Steelers

863
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 2: are going to beat the Browns, but I don't think

864
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 2: Jamis Winston is going to have another two pick six game.

865
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 2: And frankly, in a division rivalry, Cleveland matches up with Pittsburgh. Hell,

866
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 2: they matched up and had Denver I thought beat. I

867
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 2: think Cleveland's got a good roster and a really good coach.

868
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 3: Six and a half.

869
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 2: Seems to me the number should be three and a half,

870
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,919
Speaker 2: four and a half. I'm gonna take Cleveland plus six

871
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:55,399
Speaker 2: and a half. Sharper square, totally sharp. This shouldn't even

872
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 2: be a question. Everything that you're sort of half in

873
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 2: on is one hundred percent right.

874
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,399
Speaker 5: Number one. This is a division game in the AFC North.

875
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:09,799
Speaker 5: These games always tend to be closer than what the

876
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 5: spread should be, and favor the underdog. Also, Mike Tomlin.

877
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 5: Mike Tomlin as an underdog is brilliant. It is a

878
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 5: raw rab Mike Tomlin spot when he is on the

879
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 5: road as an underdog. When he is at home as

880
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 5: an underdog, he is the most profitable coach as an

881
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 5: underdog this generation the past twenty years, often winning times

882
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:37,800
Speaker 5: straight up. Forget about just covering the spread. As great

883
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 5: as he is as an underdog is as ineffective he

884
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 5: is as a favorite. Now he's a six and a

885
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 5: half point favorite. We're talking about forty five percent against

886
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 5: the spread in similar scenarios throughout his career. And look,

887
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 5: Jamis is one of those guys. Last week I loved

888
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:00,720
Speaker 5: the Broncos because Jamis was so good the week before.

889
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 5: I tend to want to fade Jamis after he's been great.

890
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 5: And while it took two pick sixes and an interception

891
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:12,720
Speaker 5: in the end zone to get there, what we expected

892
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 5: to happen with Jamis is exactly what happened when Jamis

893
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 5: is off of a loss, that is, when he is

894
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 5: great against the spread. And I do think that there

895
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 5: has to be some kind of aggression on Russell Wilson's

896
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 5: ability to throw these moonballs and consistently have them caught

897
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:33,839
Speaker 5: in crazy, crazy circumstances. So the wise guys are with you.

898
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:36,400
Speaker 5: Take the Browns plus six and a half.

899
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:40,399
Speaker 2: So a game, there's a game every week. I say, hey,

900
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 2: I just want to ask you about and I looked

901
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 2: at the Falcons plus six Minnesota. Kirk Cousins was He

902
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 2: looked like if Justin Verlander threw an eighty one mom

903
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 2: hour fastball. What am I watching? Is it an injury

904
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 2: in the last two weeks. Something's off. So older players

905
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 2: get hurt more. They play with pride and play through injuries.

906
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers' stories, you've heard about Kirk Cousins. This is

907
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:18,240
Speaker 2: just screaming take the Vikings. But again, Atlanta is playing

908
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 2: to win the division. Kirk Cousins can't play like that. Again,

909
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 2: the protection will be good. Kirk can handle Brian Flores coverages.

910
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 2: He's seen everything.

911
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:35,799
Speaker 3: Tell me where I'm supposed to go with that number, Minnesota.

912
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 5: This number has been moving up. The only concern you

913
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 5: should have is that you're not getting the best of

914
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 5: the number. Because it opened at five, it went to

915
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 5: five and a half streaming towards six. I disagree that

916
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 5: Kirk Cousins can handle what Brian Flores is going to

917
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 5: throw at him. Brian Flora's defense is exactly what troubles

918
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 5: Kirk Cousins against. Sure, he has the most turnover worthy

919
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 5: throws in the NFL this year. Then don't forget this

920
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 5: Vikings defense is incredible against the run. They're incredible against

921
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 5: the run outside the tackles, They're incredible against the run

922
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 5: inside the tackles. They are really efficient in stopping the run.

923
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 5: The strength of the Falcons right now, it's Bjon Robinson right.

924
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 5: Nobody can figure out what to do with Kyle Pitts.

925
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 5: The next coach, coordinator, quarterback who can figure out what

926
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 5: to do with Kyle Pitts could end up going to

927
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:32,240
Speaker 5: the Hall of Fame because all we ever hear about

928
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 5: is Kyle Pitts is the weapon who can unlock the

929
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 5: Atlanta Falcons offense and nobody has been able to figure

930
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 5: out how to do it. And Kirk Cousins since that

931
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:47,320
Speaker 5: streaky start seventeen touchdowns, seven interceptions to start the year,

932
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 5: the past three games since they started six and three,

933
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 5: zero touchdown passes, six interceptions, seven sacks. And let's not

934
00:52:56,520 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 5: forget he had nearly eight hundred yards and eight touchdowns

935
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 5: in two of those first nine games against the tenth

936
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 5: Bay Buccaneers. So that's sort of let's not confuse ourselves

937
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 5: into believing that Kirk Cousins is just having a little

938
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 5: bit of a bad rough patch right now. He's just

939
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:20,359
Speaker 5: not mobile and he's not playing well, and he's had

940
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 5: two good games that have made the numbers look really good.

941
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:34,720
Speaker 5: So the wise guys like Minnesota here, all right.

942
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 2: A little shift up. I want to talk one college game.

943
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 2: So these are my instincts. This is my favorite college

944
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:41,320
Speaker 2: bat of the weekend.

945
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:44,280
Speaker 3: Georgia plays Texas. I like the over.

946
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 2: Here's why Georgia played an eight overtime game. Okay, that

947
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 2: doesn't affect the offense. Carson Becks had three straight games,

948
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 2: eleven touchdowns, no picks. He's fine. It decimates a defense.

949
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 2: You play a extra twenty eight snaps. Georgia looked tired

950
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 2: last week against Georgia Tech.

951
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 3: They're going to be banged up.

952
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 2: Also, Texas got humiliated up front offensively in Austin. They

953
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 2: have something to prove. They also played their worst offensive

954
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:15,239
Speaker 2: game of the year last week against Texas A and M,

955
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 2: So Texas is going to play inspired offensive football. Georgia's

956
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 2: defense is done, but their offense is still. You know,

957
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:26,800
Speaker 2: these are the two best quarterbacks in the sec Carson

958
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 2: Beck and Quinn Ewers. In terms of like efficiency, I

959
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 2: love the over in this game. I think it actually

960
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 2: ends up being a kind of just a wild shootout

961
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:42,240
Speaker 2: with a Georgia defense that just is out of gas.

962
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 2: The over underlying DraftKings. I don't know what it is

963
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 2: exactly right now. If you find it, you can tell me,

964
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 2: but that's my favorite college bet in weeks.

965
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:58,240
Speaker 5: Look, it's interesting. Chris Long, who has a brilliant podcast,

966
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 5: the green Light Podcast. Yeah, he makes great points about

967
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 5: the challenge of overtime on an NFL player, and that

968
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 5: literally every hour of recovery matters when you are playing

969
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 5: in the NFL. And if you got the four pm

970
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 5: game and it ends at eight because your game went

971
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 5: into overtime, that's a real impact on your body and

972
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:28,240
Speaker 5: your ability to recover. I know the game for Georgia

973
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 5: and Georgia Tech was on Friday night, but I'm not

974
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 5: discounting the impact of an overtime game like that, because

975
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 5: I do think that it's really really hard on the body,

976
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 5: and I do think these offenses are both primed to

977
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 5: blow up, So don't I don't hate your pick and.

978
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 2: A half forty nine and a half. That is not

979
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 2: a big number.

980
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:51,840
Speaker 5: Not a big number at all. Like I was looking

981
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 5: it up as you were looking up as well, when

982
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 5: you were talking about it, I didn't have it at

983
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 5: the top of my head. In my head it was

984
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 5: fifty one. So just thinking about these teams, forty nine

985
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 5: and a half feels a little bit low. Now I'm

986
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 5: looking in the app and I'm seeing do I have

987
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:16,319
Speaker 5: any total picks right now? I don't. Uh no, pit Wait,

988
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 5: let's see one thing here. You know what I got.

989
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 5: I got one under And that said so far from

990
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:29,360
Speaker 5: sort of the experts. Okay, let's be different. Let's be

991
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 5: different and take the over.

992
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:35,719
Speaker 2: The You know what's funny about college football? So I

993
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 2: had Notre Dame to cover, I had Oregon to cover,

994
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 2: I had Ohio State to cover. You know, it's funny,

995
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 2: and I've lived off this my entire career. New information,

996
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:51,919
Speaker 2: new opinion. I don't think it's flip flopping. I always say,

997
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 2: if you were getting on a flight and the pilot said, listen,

998
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:59,919
Speaker 2: we've had a weather change. But instead of a new

999
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:02,840
Speaker 2: flight plan, I'm gonna fly right into the lightning storm,

1000
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:05,839
Speaker 2: you'd be like, that's not smart, right, Like I don't

1001
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 2: understand like bloggers or media critics who are like you

1002
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 2: changed your mind every day of my life. I changed

1003
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 2: my mind because I'm curious and I seek new information.

1004
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 2: I sell stocks regularly new information. So it's funny about

1005
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 2: Ohio State. I said, I always had Ryan Day as

1006
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 2: a coach that could win a national championship, but that

1007
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 2: coaching was so weird that I have eliminated him from

1008
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 2: that category, where now I have like Lane Kiffin, Sark,

1009
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 2: Kaylin de boor Dan Lanning. You know guys I think

1010
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:46,920
Speaker 2: can win a national championship, they just haven't yet.

1011
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 3: They're good coaches.

1012
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 2: I had Ryan Dan that Now I think to myself, okay,

1013
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 2: that's that's hyperbolic, that's overreacting, But there are things you want.

1014
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 2: I always use the example when Randy Moss played for

1015
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 2: the Patriots and it'd been a couple of years. One

1016
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 2: Monday night game against Miami, they literally didn't target him,

1017
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 2: and I said, oh, this is his last game as Patriot.

1018
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 2: And I went on the next day and said, people

1019
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 2: are like, you're overreacting. I'm like, you do not target

1020
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 2: Randy Moss once in a football game with Tom Brady.

1021
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 2: Somebody's pissed off. Somebody got he was probably close to

1022
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 2: a DNP. Something's going well.

1023
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 3: Sure enough he moved.

1024
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 2: Watching that game was so seismic to me. I'm like

1025
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 2: I I thought Ryan Day was coaching to prove a point.

1026
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 2: That was as bad a coaching as I've ever seen

1027
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 2: in a big spot.

1028
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 5: You nailed it. You and I had this conversation before

1029
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 5: Thanksgiving about Ryan Day and about the pressure he is

1030
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 5: under and how there's not a single coach in the

1031
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 5: playoff who, unless they win the National Championship, wouldn't be

1032
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 5: back next year. Only Ryan Day has that kind of pressure.

1033
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 5: He is now been coaching well in big games his

1034
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 5: entire career, four straight losses to Michigan, and this game

1035
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 5: exactly what you just said I think is true. It

1036
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 5: felt like he was coaching. And again he doesn't call

1037
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 5: the plays, it's Chip Kelly calling the plays. But the

1038
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:20,959
Speaker 5: way the team performed, it felt like he was trying

1039
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 5: to prove they're super strong, they're super physical, They're going

1040
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 5: to punch him in the mouth, and all the aggression

1041
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 5: he's been feeling for years is coming out in that game.

1042
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 5: And then at the end his team is getting into

1043
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 5: a fistfight with the Michigan team, and he's standing there

1044
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 5: and just asking what's happening, what's going on? Like it's

1045
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:50,320
Speaker 5: just I can't imagine he's back in Ohio State next year.

1046
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 5: And I know I don't like talking about people's jobs.

1047
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:58,800
Speaker 5: Nobody does. But he has not performed at the level

1048
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 5: of expectation. It's great.

1049
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 2: If he lost to Josh Hipel in the first round,

1050
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 2: I think he'd be in big trouble.

1051
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 5: I think if he doesn't win a national title, he's

1052
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:11,800
Speaker 5: in big trouble. Look, Colin, they spend twenty million dollars.

1053
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 5: They got Jim Knowles, who's a legendary defensive coordinator. They

1054
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:20,760
Speaker 5: got Chip Kelly, who revolutionized the game. They can go

1055
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 5: into the portal get anybody they want. They can recruit

1056
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:30,280
Speaker 5: anybody they want. They've lost two games this year. The

1057
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 5: first game of the year that they had six months

1058
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 5: to prepare for and they got railroaded, and they got

1059
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:41,040
Speaker 5: beat up in a fistfight with a team that is

1060
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:47,919
Speaker 5: incredibly overmatched in terms of talent, and they lost at

1061
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 5: home to a team that they had been thinking about

1062
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:56,080
Speaker 5: beating for three hundred and sixty four days. You can't

1063
01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:58,680
Speaker 5: keep that guy if he doesn't win a national title.

1064
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 2: I would, but I think him in the minority. I

1065
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 2: think if he lost to Tennessee, I'd struggle. But if

1066
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:08,120
Speaker 2: I think if he won a couple of games and

1067
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 2: let's say lost to Texas in you know, the final

1068
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:14,840
Speaker 2: four in overtime, I'd be like, okay, Texas. I mean,

1069
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 2: the only two teams I've seen. I think we don't

1070
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:20,680
Speaker 2: have a great team in college football. But I thought

1071
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Speaker 2: before last weekend Texas and Oregon were really good, and

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Speaker 2: so is Ohio State. Those are really good teams.

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Speaker 3: Very rarely in.

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Speaker 2: College football do you get a great team. The Joe

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Speaker 2: Burrow team with you know, justin Jefferson Jamar h that's

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Speaker 2: a great team. The Reggie Bush teams. A couple of

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Speaker 2: those were insane. Miami had a team at the end

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Speaker 2: of the Butch Davis run. They had like twenty two

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Speaker 2: NFL guys, the Lawrence Phillips Tommy Fraser Nebraska team, the

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Speaker 2: seventy two USC Trojans. You get these teams that are like,

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Speaker 2: oh god, there, you know this. This is a year

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Speaker 2: full of good to very good teams. But people forget

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Speaker 2: this too. Ohio State struggled at Penn State that was

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Speaker 2: a clunky win.

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Speaker 3: It was.

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Speaker 2: It was an inartistic clunky win. There and I and

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Speaker 2: maybe a Penn State will prove me wrong, but I

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01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 2: think Oregon beats on this weekend, so I I listen.

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01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:15,440
Speaker 2: Here's all you need to know about coaching is a

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01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 2: team overperforming or underperforming. Ohio State has underperformed as much

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Speaker 2: as any big name program this year.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, everything you just said says to me you think

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01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 5: he shouldn't come back unless he went to the national title.

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Speaker 5: I feel like you're.

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01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:37,920
Speaker 3: Well, I don't being soft all of a sudden, there's

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Speaker 3: no great coach in the offing. There is.

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Speaker 2: I mean, urban Meyer would be my choice. I don't

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01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:46,240
Speaker 2: think he'll come back. I the first thing I asked,

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Speaker 2: I don't care if it's the volume. I don't care

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Speaker 2: if it's as an athletic director. The first thing is, well,

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01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 2: what's what's the hiring market? Like like, I don't like

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01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:59,320
Speaker 2: making moves like I even even you know I've dinked

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01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:01,760
Speaker 2: around with real life State and you know Oas calls

1104
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:04,520
Speaker 2: me like I'm the circler. I'll circle something for you.

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01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:07,000
Speaker 2: I'll drive by the property in the morning, I'll drive

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01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:09,800
Speaker 2: by at night. I'll drive by on the weekends, I'll circle.

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01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:13,000
Speaker 2: I'm somebody that's I wouldn't say cautious, but I tend

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01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:15,760
Speaker 2: to circle stuff before I do it. So the first

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01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:17,680
Speaker 2: thing I would do if I'm the athletic director is

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01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:19,840
Speaker 2: all right, what's the market like? And some years you

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01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:22,680
Speaker 2: get Brian Kelly's available, and you're like, you know, there

1112
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:25,160
Speaker 2: are years like last year in the NFL there was

1113
01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:28,880
Speaker 2: one good NFL opening, the Chargers because of Justin Herbert.

1114
01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:31,440
Speaker 2: They had a left tackle, they had a quarterback, they

1115
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:33,680
Speaker 2: had a Bosa rushing off the edge, they had a

1116
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:37,280
Speaker 2: great safety. You're like, that's a pretty good job. And

1117
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:40,000
Speaker 2: it's in LA, right, you can get free agents. But

1118
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:43,040
Speaker 2: like this year in the NFL, Chicago's the best job.

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Speaker 2: Mccaskey's are the poorest owners own it since the twenties.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure if Kevin Warren at president is the

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Speaker 2: right guy. We don't know much about Ryan Poles, Like

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Speaker 2: that's the best job. So there's not a lot of

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Speaker 2: great job opening, and there's not a lot of great candidates,

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Speaker 2: and so to me, it's like I would keep Ryan

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Speaker 2: Day and I would just keep my eye out if

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Speaker 2: he you know, I would say this I'm on warning.

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Speaker 2: Now we're going into a season I have I have been.

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Speaker 2: I may have gone into this season thinking he's here forever.

1129
01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:23,400
Speaker 2: I go into next season thinking stubs his toe. I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna make calls. That's how I would do it.

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Speaker 5: Ohio State is one of the two three best coaching jobs.

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Speaker 2: Ohn in college football, right, yeah, oh, absolutely, probably top two.

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Speaker 5: Yeah you think if they got rid of Ryan Day,

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Speaker 5: they couldn't pry one of the best coaches from another

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Speaker 5: program away.

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Speaker 3: Well, well, look at.

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Speaker 5: What Like I'm not saying that Washington was a top

1138
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Speaker 5: notch program, but Washington had been built quickly by Kaitlin

1139
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Speaker 5: de Boor and they were International title game last year.

1140
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Speaker 5: Nick sab unexpectedly retires, they got him immediately, And so

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Speaker 5: I don't believe that Ohio State would not fire Ryan

1142
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Speaker 5: Day just because they don't think they can find a candidate.

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Speaker 5: They can get anybody they want. They might be able

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Speaker 5: to go into the NFL and get a great candidate

1145
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Speaker 5: who is a top notch coach who's dreamed of coach.

1146
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:24,840
Speaker 5: They could get Mike Rabel, Right, I'm just saying, like,

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Speaker 5: not knowing the current candidate pool wouldn't stop me from

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Speaker 5: doing it because Ohio State is such a good job.

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Speaker 5: The candidate pool is everybody.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Gruden may be toxic to NFL people, but he's

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Speaker 2: not toxic in college football. I would call John Gruden

1152
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Speaker 2: tomorrow for the Ohio.

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Speaker 5: ESK job, and Gruden would crush that.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that would be my choice because I you know,

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01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:48,760
Speaker 2: there's some I think he still has a lawsuit or

1156
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:50,960
Speaker 2: something of the NFL and there's some toxicity there, but

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Speaker 2: college doesn't care.

1158
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Speaker 3: What do they care?

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Speaker 5: And he'd I mean, are you kidding me? A football

1160
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Speaker 5: guy like Gruden.

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Speaker 3: And he's also a bad personality.

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Speaker 5: He'd be a great eight recruiter, great recruiter, great with boosters.

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Speaker 5: Whatever ni Ow money they have would get bigger like.

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Speaker 2: And he's also he you know, he likes personnel like

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Speaker 2: Andy Reid has no interest, but there are you know,

1166
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Speaker 2: McVeigh has interest, Sean Payton likes personnel, Jimmy Johnson did.

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Speaker 2: Gruden likes personnel. He enjoys the process of recruiting and

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Speaker 2: judging players. So yeah, I mean that that would be

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Speaker 2: my first choice. Urban's my first choice. But he's been

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Speaker 2: there and he's got a job.

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Speaker 5: I feel like you're coming around. I feel like you're

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Speaker 5: coming around to the idea that there's there could be

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Speaker 5: a candidate out there if Ohio State decided they wanted

1174
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Speaker 5: to go find a new coach.

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Speaker 2: Chad Millman, Sharper Square, good talk to anybody.

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Speaker 5: Good to see your brother.

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