1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called 6 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined once again with our super producer 7 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 1: Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you. 8 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:38,840 Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this stuff they don't 9 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: want you to know. This is our weekly listener Male segment. 10 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: We have an abundance of riches from the best part 11 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 1: of the show, which I have always maintained, is you, 12 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:53,199 Speaker 1: specifically you. Thanks for your time, thanks for listening, and 13 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: thanks for making this possible. We've got some uh We've 14 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 1: got some time jumps, got some airports stories. We've got 15 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 1: some experts weighing in kind of whether or not lightning 16 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: is sentient. So where would you guys like to begin. 17 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 1: I don't know light sentient lightning. I was a fun 18 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 1: conversation when that came up last time. I'd love to 19 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:22,759 Speaker 1: hear more. Very welcome, all right, So today's Today's New 20 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:26,319 Speaker 1: comes from an expert. I always love to hear from 21 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: subject matter experts. Aaron s you write to us and say, hey, guys, 22 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 1: I am a meteorologist, so I thought I could add 23 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:37,639 Speaker 1: a bit about cloud seating and lightning since you touched 24 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:42,400 Speaker 1: on them. In strange news, cloud seating using silver oxide 25 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 1: or any other chemical is based on providing more quote 26 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: cloud condensation nuclei or CCN. For the rain to form, 27 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 1: you need enough large rain drop size drops to form 28 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 1: by themselves. It is very hard for drops to grow 29 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: to this size. However, if there are some CCN present, 30 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: which can be salt, dust, etcetera, the water can condense 31 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 1: onto the CCN, which allows them to grow to rain 32 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 1: drop size more easily due to the physics of how 33 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 1: drops form. Thus, by adding silver iodide to the atmosphere, 34 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:19,920 Speaker 1: you increase the number of CCN, which increases the number 35 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: of rain drop sized drops, which makes it more likely 36 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: to rain. That's an excellent explanation. I think here and 37 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:29,919 Speaker 1: it kind of demystifies it. But here's the here's where 38 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 1: you go a little crazy with us. Aaron kind of 39 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: in a very factual way. Aaron says, looking at lightning, 40 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: I can neither confirm nor deny its sentience, especially considering 41 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: that proton gradients could have been the origins of life. 42 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 1: Lead there, however, I can say that lightning occurs when 43 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 1: I charge separation within clouds occurs, and it descends from 44 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 1: the clouds as multiple tendrils which are all trying to 45 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: reach the ground, with the tendril that reaches the ground 46 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 1: first being the one in which the flow of electricity 47 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:06,399 Speaker 1: will flow through. If you then have a lightning rod 48 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 1: or its tall object like a tree, then the lightning 49 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 1: is more likely to reach the lightning rod before it 50 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: reaches the ground, and it is thus more likely to 51 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 1: strike the lightning rod rather than the ground directly, although 52 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 1: it is still possible for the lightning to strike the 53 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: ground directly. That is why we can only make it 54 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: more likely for lightning to strike particular places, but cannot 55 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:33,839 Speaker 1: directly control where it strikes yet yet because we've got 56 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: the lasers now. So that that was something that came 57 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: up on the discussion, Ben, like where a lightning rod 58 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 1: alone isn't just going to attract it enough? Like that 59 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 1: certainly stacks the deck in your favor, but like to 60 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: your experts point, it could still strike the ground or 61 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 1: a little of both perhaps, right, Yeah, yeah, because what 62 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: Aaron's saying here is that when we are looking at 63 00:03:56,080 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: lightning strikes, we're tending to foot focus on that one 64 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: that one strike that hits makes a ground connection, and 65 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: all the other electricity pours into that connection. But really 66 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: what we're seeing is just the first past the post. 67 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 1: But I love the explanation here, and I love I 68 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 1: love the demystification, but I also want to know more 69 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: about proton gradients, origin of life. What do you guys 70 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 1: think that even means? I don't know if he's taking 71 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: it here, and maybe I'm just fully off base, but 72 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: I believe, well, maybe I'm just wrong with proton gradients 73 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: because I was thinking has to do with the electrical 74 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: charge itself, so the energy that that is released with 75 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: a lightning strike, and that being one of one of 76 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 1: the primary ways that particles, biological particles were excited enough 77 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 1: to cause some of the changes that were required to 78 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 1: bring about life, to to make a mutation out of 79 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: to make a mutation occur spontane easily. Essentially that would 80 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:05,479 Speaker 1: then jump star life. But maybe I'm completely off base 81 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:08,280 Speaker 1: with that. I don't think you're too far off there, Matt, 82 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 1: because I was I want to shout out con Academy, 83 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 1: which is a great way to learn stuff. So I 84 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 1: had dug into a little bit some of the papers 85 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 1: that were I'll be honest with you, Aaron, this is 86 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: my job to be honest with people. I is it 87 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 1: a lot, and that's what I consider it to be. Okay, 88 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: Am I not up to snuff? No? No, I just act. 89 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 1: That's part of your job. I guess that's interesting. That's 90 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: a really cool way to look at it. I mean 91 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: it should be for everybody doing the kind of stuff 92 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 1: we do. Right. Uh, we're not going to sell your 93 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: bone broth, I mean okay, So illumination makes us do 94 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: all kinds of things that we illumination global and limited. Yeah, 95 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 1: I'll give you a real bang up recipe for bone broth. Though. 96 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 1: You know, bones add salt to the water, boil the bones. 97 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 1: Why do you need to buy the broth from someone? 98 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 1: Make your own, use your leftover chicken bones, make your 99 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: own bone broth. You know. The proof is in the broth. 100 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: So I did. I did find a pretty good explanation 101 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: that hopefully will help for the layman's such as myself 102 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: in the crowd. So, proton cells are powered by these 103 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:30,039 Speaker 1: things called proton gradients. Virtually all cells appear to quote 104 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: unquote breathe by pumping protons. Uh. There was a molecular 105 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 1: biologist named Leslie Orgell who said, this is the single 106 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 1: most counterintuitive idea and biology after Darwin's. And recent research 107 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 1: shows us that proton gradients are necessary for the origin 108 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: of life because of the way these uh, these gradients 109 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: form in the way that they interact with the cell 110 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 1: in something called wait for it, oxidative phosphorylation. It's our 111 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: unnecessary word of the day. Go forth and try to 112 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: use that casually in a conversation. Tell us how you do. 113 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: And this, uh, proton gradient is just a product of uh, 114 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: it's like an imbalance. It's a product of what's called 115 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: an electron transport chain. So a higher concentration of protons 116 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 1: outside like the little inner membrane of your mitochondria, which 117 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 1: all will remember, the powerhouse of the cell. Uh. That 118 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: is like the driving force behind what's called a TPS synthesis. So, 119 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: without getting too much further in the weeds, just to 120 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: be clear, what Aaron is saying here is that proton 121 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 1: gradients could have been the origin of what we call life. 122 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: But Aaron is not saying that proton gradients are thinking. 123 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 1: You know what I mean, he's not saying this proves 124 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 1: that lightning is sentient. So it's it's a little bit 125 00:07:57,080 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: it would be misleading for us to say a meteorologist 126 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 1: wrote to us and said, yeah, maybe lightning could be sentient, 127 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 1: because you're not saying that, we're not going to misconstrue it. 128 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: But I do wish that is what you had said. Um, 129 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 1: it's not. But it's not a hard no, it's not. 130 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: It's like I'm and then the guy in Dumb and 131 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 1: Dumber going, so you're saying, there's a yeah, yeah, Um, 132 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: I just have to add in here. I'm looking at 133 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: side table from Nature dot com and they've got an 134 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 1: article called why our cells powered by proton gradients, And 135 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:33,680 Speaker 1: it's got a little piece down there, uh about why 136 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:38,319 Speaker 1: possibly this was the origin of life And it doesn't 137 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: talk about lightning in any sense in there, but uh yeah, 138 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: really really fascinating stuff. I want to point out this 139 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 1: concept of the tendrils from what did he what did 140 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 1: he call it? Well, he's talking about the proton gradients 141 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 1: and charge separations within the clouds and then they're sending 142 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 1: down tendrils to see which one is going to hit 143 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 1: the ground first to create the charge and and let 144 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: it release the energy. Would you say they're racing right, 145 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna stop. Yeah, I mean just well, but 146 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:17,839 Speaker 1: just that that image I think of a clouds tendrils 147 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: reaching down at the ground and at you if you're 148 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: out there, you know, standing in a field and just 149 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 1: happened to be unlucky enough to have one of these 150 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: tendrils reached down near you or to you. Um, that's 151 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 1: an eerie, eerie image. Yeah. One thing that I realized 152 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 1: we hadn't talked about, which your explanation inspired, Aaron, was 153 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 1: the other ways that people have consciously or maybe even 154 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 1: unconsciously modified the weather. In two thousand seven, in O. A. A. 155 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 1: Put out a paper about hurricane modification. Which I didn't 156 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: realize this, but back in two thousand seven, Matt, to 157 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:03,959 Speaker 1: your earlier story, there was serious research on using lasers 158 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 1: to discharge lightning and storms, and they were doing this. 159 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:12,680 Speaker 1: This was to um, dissipate a hurricane or step it 160 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: down before it became one. But then there were other 161 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: things like pouring liquid nitrogen onto the sea because that 162 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 1: would remove the heat energy or hurricane needs. These are 163 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 1: things we can do. We're just not totally sure what 164 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: the other consequences will be, right. Uh. And then there's 165 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 1: the idea of very matrix style. This reminded me of 166 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 1: you blacking out the sky with soot to change the 167 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: air temperature. Right in the matrix, the sky is darkened 168 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 1: because the the non organic entities are solar powered. But 169 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 1: and it comes back the haunt of them spoiler if 170 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,959 Speaker 1: you haven't seen the matrix. But uh, in this case, 171 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 1: they're really like the argument is, let's just go into 172 00:10:56,600 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: pollution like one, and then we can stop a hurricane. Yeah, 173 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 1: didn't we talk about But I guess that's that would 174 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:10,679 Speaker 1: be a small isolated blocking out of the sun. I'm 175 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: assuming clouds above the clouds essentially, I guess, so, I 176 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:16,719 Speaker 1: guess that's what they would have to do. But Uh, 177 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 1: to our knowledge, none of these have been used or 178 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 1: not that none of the soot stuff has been deployed yet, 179 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: probably because it's a very difficult thing to control, you know, 180 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:32,439 Speaker 1: and in a globally connected weather system. So call back 181 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 1: to our stratospheric aerosol injections episode. Yes, Yes, one of 182 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 1: the remaining one of the sexiest titles and stuff. They 183 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: don't want you to know the stuff. They want you 184 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: to catalog. As we've said in previous segments. Uh, you know, 185 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 1: we always love hearing from subject matter experts. Uh. You know, 186 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 1: I personally wish more people in civilization would pay attention 187 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 1: to the experts. So thanks for writing in Erin, and 188 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 1: thank you for or using critical thinking to give me 189 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 1: just like that one little give us that one little 190 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: extra piece of maybe maybe maybe just maybe, uh lightning 191 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 1: is it thinking entity? I know, I know Aaron shaking 192 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: his fist at this guy, say that's not what I said. 193 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: You were fair about it, gradients man, thank you so much. 194 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 1: We're gonna pause for a word from our sponsor. We'll 195 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 1: be back with more listener mail. And we're back with 196 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: another listener mail. This one comes from the B Man. 197 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 1: That's right, you heard me, the B Man. Uh. The 198 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 1: subject is Denver Airport Murals. Hi, guys, Uh, my name 199 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 1: is is b b Man, and I love the show. 200 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 1: I just started listening recently to the podcast and I 201 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 1: started digging into some of the conspiracy that you've been 202 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 1: talking about. Um, in addition to going down some other 203 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 1: rabbit holes from some other shows that I got turned 204 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: onto once I started kind of going down this route. 205 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 1: So I have for you guys to look into. I 206 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 1: remember just a few years ago, Jesse even Sure I 207 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:06,439 Speaker 1: did a conspiracy show about Area fifty one government stuff, 208 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: so on and so on. But the one that really 209 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: stuck out for me was the uh were the twelve 210 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 1: doomsday murals painted at the Denver International Airport. I recently 211 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 1: started to look into this myself. I was hoping that 212 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 1: you could do a bit of a rundown on it. Um. 213 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 1: And it's something that's come up a bunch on the show, 214 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 1: The Denver Report. It's a weird airport. Um. Everything from 215 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: like the runways supposedly being shaped like swastikas or something, 216 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 1: which is absurd. That is how runways are shaped kind 217 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 1: of because they have to branch out in different directions 218 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 1: and all of that good stuff. But it's the murals 219 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 1: that really gets people kind of fascinated. UM. And we 220 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: did look into it, and we've talked about it in 221 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: the past, but I thought we could have a little 222 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:49,439 Speaker 1: bring it back up again because there is some somewhat 223 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: of development in the Denver Airport story. UM. The murals 224 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: themselves are by an artist by the name of Leo 225 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:03,559 Speaker 1: Tanguma and um I misspoke in the email is irrelevant. 226 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 1: The murals went up in the nineties and um, there 227 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 1: was a pretty big investment in one of the terminals there. Uh. 228 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:17,559 Speaker 1: It was like millions of dollars devoted to the Jepson terminal. Um. 229 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 1: And that's where you'll find a lot of these murals. 230 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 1: And they are very striking, there's no question about it. 231 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 1: And when I say striking, I mean a little disturbing 232 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 1: even Um, there are several of them that are a 233 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 1: little more innocuous, that are more just kind of multiculturally themed, 234 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: like the idea of people from different nationalities coming together. 235 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 1: But then there are a few that are very sinister. 236 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: Like there's one where there's this kind of green clad 237 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 1: Nazi Gestapo looking gentleman. Well you can't really tell what 238 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: gender is or it is because there's a gas mask on, 239 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 1: but kind of like a Gestapo sort of hat, holding 240 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 1: a submachine gun with a bayonet on it and swinging 241 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: a saber. Uh. And then there's a pair of ye 242 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 1: at the pair of doves at the end of the saber, 243 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 1: and then on the left there is like a line 244 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 1: of various very stylized a line shrinking off into the 245 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 1: horizon of old women clutching dead babies to their breasts, 246 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: and then like another little panel showing some kind of 247 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: cowering native looking children, like indigenous looking children. Um, you 248 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 1: have another one that shows a dead child in a 249 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 1: casket clutching flowers. And you know, like I said that 250 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 1: these are they're very striking, but the artist himself has 251 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: been very disturbed by a lot of the conspiracy theories 252 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 1: that have kind of surrounded these everything from their satanic 253 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: to there's some kind of ritualistic you know something or other. Um. 254 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 1: But the thing is these aren't like the only murals 255 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 1: that are in the Denver Airport. It's known for its 256 00:15:55,840 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 1: intensely uh curated art collection and it does exhibits, you know, 257 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 1: in a in a very it's very important part of 258 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 1: the legacy of the Denver Airport um. Starting from this 259 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: renovation and now for the twenty fifth anniversary coming up 260 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 1: this year, they're doing another multimillion dollar renovation and that 261 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 1: has led to some of these pieces being taken down. 262 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 1: So that's there's a controversy where it say, oh, they 263 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 1: finally took them down because there's something a foot, there's 264 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: something like creepy going on New Ferreas, But it turns 265 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: out that's not the case at all. They're literally just 266 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 1: doing another renovation. And you can actually go to uh 267 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 1: fly Denver dot com um and look at they have 268 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: a whole page devoted to their art collection and you 269 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 1: can see which ones are in storage now due to 270 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 1: the renovation and which ones aren't. And most of the 271 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 1: paintings by this artist are and storage. But there's another 272 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 1: interesting development. Um oh, another one of them is like 273 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: forest fires and like jaguars escaping, you know, these blazes 274 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 1: in the Amazon, and lot of them are very environmentalists 275 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 1: and and and what have you. But um, a new 276 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 1: development is this. On Facebook, there was a post showing 277 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: an image that's not terribly far off in style of 278 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:15,679 Speaker 1: the of the art uh that we're describing from the 279 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 1: Denver Airport um and it's it's an image of a 280 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:24,919 Speaker 1: bunch of children wearing face masks, like surgical face masks 281 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 1: that are all different flags of different countries. And someone 282 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:32,959 Speaker 1: posted this on Facebook and said, this Denver Airport mural 283 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:36,399 Speaker 1: was painted in n Tell me this is not weird. 284 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:40,400 Speaker 1: How far do they plan this stuff in advance. Um, 285 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:44,159 Speaker 1: So the idea that someone said that this image is 286 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 1: one of the murals in the Denver Airport and that 287 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 1: it was predicting the pandemic. Um, if you go to 288 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:54,239 Speaker 1: Snopes or fact check dot com, you'll see that this 289 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 1: is not the case. It's a different piece of art entirely. 290 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:59,159 Speaker 1: That's just sort of in the style of one of 291 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 1: the pieces called Children of the World Dream of Peace 292 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: that is at the Denver Airport but does not feature 293 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 1: face masks. So that was the update there. Um, I'd 294 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 1: love to just kick it around, and I mean, I 295 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: know there's a lot to unpack about the Denver Airport 296 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 1: and the different conspiracies that have come up over the years. 297 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 1: It's certainly been kind of red meat for this kind 298 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:22,159 Speaker 1: of discussion. Yeah, we we've talked about this thing several times, 299 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 1: made of at least one video on it. Didn't we 300 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:27,880 Speaker 1: been I think there's one video. Um got an invitation 301 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: from Denver Airport to go visit them, which I really enjoyed. 302 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 1: If you're listening, I just I think the the invitation 303 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 1: was come visit and we'll give you a tour of 304 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:44,120 Speaker 1: all the areas they're usually restricted. Uh So, Kim Day, 305 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:48,400 Speaker 1: who is the CEO. If you are listening, Yeah, I'm 306 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: totally down. Wait invited us to it. Yeah, years back 307 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:57,479 Speaker 1: when you and I did that the video where we 308 00:18:57,600 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 1: you can see us talking in depth about the art 309 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 1: um as well as the sculptures and that you know 310 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 1: that that horse and so on. Uh. What's the thing 311 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 1: about this is that it is great for the airport. 312 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 1: It is fantastic for the airport. Uh. The CEO I 313 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:22,160 Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, Kim Day embraces these ideas. They decided years ago, 314 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: probably not due to our show, but due to things 315 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: like our show. They decided years ago that they're not 316 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:31,159 Speaker 1: going to fight any of this stuff. They're going to 317 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:37,120 Speaker 1: have fun with it. So in they did. Uh, they 318 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: did like a museum, a pop up museum for October. 319 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,920 Speaker 1: They called it Conspiracy Month, and they also had a 320 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 1: conspiracy themed costume party. Why I didn't notice at all. 321 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 1: That's amazing. And they screened Close Encounters of the Third Kind. 322 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:53,919 Speaker 1: So I think that's why they reached out to us 323 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 1: and we're like, hey, yeah, come hang out, which I 324 00:19:56,240 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 1: think is a really smart thing to do. Um. I've 325 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 1: always been interested in the idea of they large underground 326 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 1: structure beneath the airport, which is like every airport has, 327 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:16,160 Speaker 1: most major airports have a lot of extensive underground structuring. 328 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 1: But I just I just wonder what it would be. 329 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: Did we ever find that out, Matt, Do we ever 330 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: figured that out? Well, I mean we never got to 331 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: explore it, but we did. You know that, Yes, there's 332 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:30,880 Speaker 1: a lot of underground systems that are required. A lot 333 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 1: of it's for luggage, a lot of it's for all 334 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:36,920 Speaker 1: you know, these other things that are necessary for the facility. 335 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:41,640 Speaker 1: Um again that's officially yeah, because you know, and it's 336 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:45,400 Speaker 1: always those those weird things because like in a lot 337 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 1: of structures across the world that require extensive stone work. 338 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 1: The Free and Accepted Masons were a large part of 339 00:20:55,520 --> 00:21:00,880 Speaker 1: the Denver International Airport's construction. And you know, if if 340 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:05,880 Speaker 1: you're if you feel as though the Freemasons are into 341 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 1: or have more control I would say than they say 342 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 1: they have, then this is one of those things that 343 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 1: get your wheels turning. And to know that there's a 344 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: time capsule that still is there. I don't think it's 345 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:23,160 Speaker 1: been moved with the renovations, but there's a capsule. Yeah, 346 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:27,400 Speaker 1: it's still there. Yeah, it was laid there by which 347 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:33,639 Speaker 1: one the Mason's Prince Hall Grand Lodge he was set. 348 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:37,879 Speaker 1: It was set there in March nineteenth is supposed to 349 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 1: be opened up in UM. They say they even they 350 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 1: used to on the Denver the Fly Denver website. They 351 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 1: used to name the contents in there, which includes autographed 352 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 1: baseball cards I think baseball autograph for baseball, coins from 353 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:59,880 Speaker 1: the black Hawk Casino, UM, all kinds of weird stuff 354 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 1: in there. There's a copy of a lawsuit against the 355 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,440 Speaker 1: old staple To International Airport, which is just like a 356 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: here's why we did this. I guess I don't know 357 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:15,359 Speaker 1: that all matter to made. The Mason stuff is super 358 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 1: interesting because like a lot of the messaging behind UM, 359 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 1: Tanguma's pieces as art pieces do have kind of an 360 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: enlightenment kind of quality to them, in the same way 361 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:28,119 Speaker 1: that some of the uh whatever the sayings on the 362 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 1: Georgia guide stones do like you know, being not a 363 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 1: cancer on the earth, leave room for nature, to leave 364 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:34,680 Speaker 1: room for nature and all that. One of the pieces 365 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:37,200 Speaker 1: UM in the collection is called in Peace and Harmony 366 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 1: with Nature, and one half of it UH shows children 367 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 1: UM showing sadness and loss over this like burning destroyed 368 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:52,439 Speaker 1: you know, wildlife and and trees and nature. And the 369 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 1: second half shows humanity kind of coming together. This is 370 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 1: this is straight from the Denver Airports website. Humanity coming 371 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:02,440 Speaker 1: together to rehability and celebrate nature. Um. And then there's 372 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 1: another one called Children of the World Dream of Peace 373 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:09,439 Speaker 1: that I mentioned earlier, where it's too two paintings that 374 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 1: have similar kind of continuity but very different reality. Is 375 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 1: the one is a painting of a city totally crumbling 376 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:21,399 Speaker 1: and decay, and the central character is that the figure 377 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 1: we described earlier, the gas mask wearing kind of crazy 378 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,159 Speaker 1: you know, not Nazi looking soldier or the saber. And 379 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 1: then the second painting it shows people of diverse kind 380 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:36,439 Speaker 1: of ethnic cultures celebrating what appears to be, uh, the 381 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:40,920 Speaker 1: corpse of said soldier. So the artists himself complete with 382 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 1: the two doves resting on the butt of the soldier's gun. 383 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 1: So this artist, tan Guma, has has made it clear 384 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 1: that he likes to teach lessons through his art and 385 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:53,919 Speaker 1: to you know, teach the idea of diversity and of 386 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,239 Speaker 1: um taking care of the earth. But I think all 387 00:23:56,280 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 1: those ideals are very much Enlightenment kind of Masonic values, right, yeah, yeah, largely. Um. 388 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 1: I think that the thing about the time Capsule going 389 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,119 Speaker 1: back to that, because I don't know how much we 390 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 1: talked about in original episodes. I know we did spend 391 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:14,440 Speaker 1: a lot of time on the art because we did it. 392 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 1: You know, it was a YouTube video. But the thing 393 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,919 Speaker 1: about the time Capsule is that it Israel is the 394 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 1: It is a Masonic contribution, So of course people who 395 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 1: are already anti Masonic are going to make these wild 396 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 1: uh claims about it. The thing about the underground stuff 397 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,879 Speaker 1: is kind of real too. There definitely is an underground Uh. 398 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:41,879 Speaker 1: There's four hundred seventy thousand square feet of space and 399 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,119 Speaker 1: there is graffiti there. But it's not like from aliens. 400 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 1: It's the people who are working down there are doing 401 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 1: stuff like Smiley was here, you know what I mean, 402 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 1: which is very human. You look at the oldest graffiti 403 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 1: in human history and it's inevitably something like you know, 404 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: Big Eric was here, or or two hand tim or 405 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 1: that ancient order of the Smiley face Airport killers or 406 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 1: could be that underground could be and this this is 407 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 1: like I love this stuff because I was really impressed 408 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: that the airport um Airport Management reached out to US. 409 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,680 Speaker 1: I thought that that spoke highly to them, and I 410 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 1: slightly regret that we didn't. We didn't end up going, 411 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:39,159 Speaker 1: but uh, maybe we can get there. We can get 412 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 1: their post pandemic. What do you guys think. I'm not 413 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:45,239 Speaker 1: quite willing to hop on a plane yet in the 414 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 1: US unless I have to. All right, well, I think 415 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:49,920 Speaker 1: it's time to take another quick break from a sponsor 416 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 1: and then come back with one more listener mail and 417 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 1: we are act all right, everyone, we are going to 418 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,679 Speaker 1: take a bit of a trip through time, maybe in 419 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 1: time behind, backwards in time. Essentially it's going to be exciting. Uh, 420 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,919 Speaker 1: let's jump into a message that we got from Phil. 421 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 1: Phil D. Here is what you said. So I'm writing 422 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 1: to share with you in experience that you can share 423 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: if you ever find a place to put it. You 424 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:30,640 Speaker 1: have discussed UFOs abduction, blacking out, lost time, and many 425 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 1: other kinds of displacement phenomena. What happened to me was 426 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:39,399 Speaker 1: a bit odd in comparison. I have lived in St. Louis, Missouri, 427 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: over thirty years. In this time, I've needed to drive 428 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,399 Speaker 1: to the other side of the state at least twice 429 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 1: a year, often more than twice. On the afternoon of 430 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:53,119 Speaker 1: August twenty one, two thousand and three, I finished my 431 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,679 Speaker 1: business with Springfield and I'm prepping for the drive east. 432 00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 1: Lunch is over. I've gassed up my truck and I 433 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 1: have soda for the road. You have to get ready 434 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 1: for these things. It's three hours and fifteen minutes with 435 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 1: no stopping. Yeah, that's a side detail you should know 436 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 1: about me. Large numbers, NERD numbers, you can always count 437 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,439 Speaker 1: on them. Zang. I start my truck pulling out of 438 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:19,440 Speaker 1: the gas station. It's one oh seven pm. Remember that number, everybody, 439 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 1: One oh seven pm. I hit the streets and steer 440 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 1: my way on up to the I forty four eastbound. 441 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 1: It's one eleven pm. Triple single digit bonus. I slip 442 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 1: my Byork Greatest Hits, disc in and jam on the 443 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,119 Speaker 1: drive home. But I run into one small issue with 444 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 1: those plans. At one thirty four pm, I'm turning off 445 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:45,159 Speaker 1: I forty four onto I to seventy south and B 446 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 1: York is still performing. Only twenty three minutes have passed. Now. Essentially, 447 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:56,359 Speaker 1: what he's what uh Phil is saying is that this 448 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 1: this trip that should have taken three hours and fifteen 449 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:03,919 Speaker 1: minutes only took twenty three minutes in total somehow, And 450 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 1: this is according these this according to the clocks that 451 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 1: he's been monitoring the situation on um and he goes 452 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 1: on to say, some are convinced I misread the time 453 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 1: it was one it was eleven eleven a m and 454 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 1: misread it as one eleven A m uh. That you 455 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 1: know sounds probable, but let's continue, he says, a devout 456 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 1: number fanatic misreading the clock twice within five minutes is 457 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 1: not likely. Even if it was eleven eleven instead of 458 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 1: twenty three minutes, the time from Springfield to you know 459 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,119 Speaker 1: where he was going to the intersection was two hours 460 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 1: and twenty three minutes. Somebody could do that in a 461 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 1: tuned sports car, but there's no way I could do 462 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 1: it in a fully laden work truck. The time would 463 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 1: the time would still be forty five minutes fast. Arriving 464 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 1: forty five minutes ahead of time is one thing. Getting 465 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 1: there two hours and forty five minutes before schedule is 466 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 1: mind boggling. It isn't every day that you're given time 467 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 1: by the universe instead of taking it away exactly. That's 468 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 1: that's why we're bringing this up right, Because we had 469 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 1: just talked about experiences where people have lost time through 470 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 1: some kind of experience or abduction phenomena, or you know, 471 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 1: belief that they've been abducted. So yeah, go ahead, Ben, 472 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 1: what do you think? Well, the first thing I would 473 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 1: say is, of course, thank you for writing an infill. 474 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 1: As Matt said, this is something that is is a 475 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 1: bit unusual for us to hear. What the ideal he 476 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 1: thought is probably not relevant was elevation. Phil As a 477 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 1: fan of numbers, you're probably already a where that time 478 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 1: does move faster at different at different elevations, infintestimally faster. Right, Uh, 479 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 1: clock's flown at thirty thou feet run faster than those 480 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 1: left behind on the ground. And when we experienced time dilation, 481 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 1: if we're astronauts, right, we're exploring the universe, we come back, 482 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 1: we're in kind of a Rip van Winkle situation because 483 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: the people we left behind have aged at Earth rate 484 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 1: and we are aged at space rate. A lot of 485 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 1: sci fi films and fiction address that, and the physics 486 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,480 Speaker 1: they's solid as well. This has been something The idea 487 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 1: of time dilation in altitude has been something since the 488 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 1: days of Einstein and his predictions, but with this I 489 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 1: really appreciate the objectivity, you know, saying that I could 490 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 1: have misread the time once, but how likely am I 491 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 1: to have misread it twice? The tough thing is that 492 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 1: there's not a photograph, because who who on Earth or 493 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 1: off it would take photographs of their clock every time 494 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 1: they looked at it. That's what Apple does. Every time 495 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 1: you look at the iOS, That's what there for. So 496 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 1: the implication is there was like some sort of blip. 497 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 1: I don't believe there's. Yeah, well, I mean the theoretically 498 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 1: there's there are a lot of things we could discuss here. 499 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 1: I mean, what what he seems to be describing is 500 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 1: a wormhole essentially of time. Then he passed through somehow 501 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 1: and then ended up on the other side or fast 502 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 1: forward somehow occurred. Um. But the weirdest thing for me, 503 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 1: all of the details in the story, is that he 504 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 1: had a playlist of York playing like great Way in 505 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 1: to mark time. And especially if you're like you said, 506 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,200 Speaker 1: if you're familiar with an album or a set of 507 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,720 Speaker 1: songs in the order and everything, you you get a 508 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 1: feel of how long it takes to get through all 509 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 1: that stuff. And he's saying he left and then twenty 510 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 1: three minutes later, he was there, Um, I mean, unless 511 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:51,040 Speaker 1: you're pulling our leg fill you experience something very weird. 512 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 1: I think we can at the very least, I'll agree 513 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,239 Speaker 1: on that. Yeah, And I would also say, you know, 514 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 1: we don't fully under stand time in general. Time is relative. Sure, 515 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 1: time is also experiential, you know, and and to a 516 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 1: great degree, our emphasis on time and our understanding of 517 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 1: it comes from our understanding of, you know, the culture 518 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,719 Speaker 1: in which we as individuals are raised. So so there 519 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 1: are a lot of unanswered questions, especially we can get 520 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 1: to the very small and very big parts of what 521 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 1: we call reality or our neighborhood of it. Um. Phil, 522 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 1: it feels like it's uh, it feels like it's unfair 523 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 1: to immediately say, you know, you just misread the time, 524 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 1: probably because of those Even putting aside your own personal 525 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 1: focus on all things numerical, it seems important to note 526 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 1: that we made that point about the playlist being something 527 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,480 Speaker 1: you're probably familiar with unless it's the first time you 528 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 1: heard it. Also that you checked the time twice. Also, 529 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 1: the you've this seems like a route you've driven before, 530 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, So you're familiar with the 531 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 1: route as well. Um, one thing that happens a lot 532 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 1: when people drive familiar roads and they listen to familiar 533 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 1: songs or familiar shows, maybe like this one. We're all 534 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 1: kind of creatures of ritual, right, so we tend to 535 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 1: lose time, is Matt you said in the opposite direction, 536 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:31,000 Speaker 1: because we encounter what's called road hypnosis or self hypnoms. 537 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 1: We're still driving carefully and we're driving cogently, but unless 538 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 1: something unusual happens, we're just kind of out of it, 539 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, lower activity, and some parts 540 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,320 Speaker 1: of our brain come to when we turn right into 541 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 1: our drugs. Not to mention if you are listening to 542 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,560 Speaker 1: an album that you're intimately familiar with, almost to the 543 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 1: point of hypnosis where it's just kind of background music 544 00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 1: where you're not really cute in on every little change. 545 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,880 Speaker 1: You're just so used to it. You're just experiencing it 546 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,360 Speaker 1: and it's kind of blending into the background or blending 547 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:08,799 Speaker 1: into your you know, kind of trancey road situation, which 548 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:10,480 Speaker 1: I've I've been there back on. I used to have 549 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,520 Speaker 1: a CD changer in my car. That's really honestly, when 550 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 1: that happens the most is because you have the same 551 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 1: five CDs in your car, and you would just listen 552 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:20,840 Speaker 1: to them like on a loop, and it would just 553 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,760 Speaker 1: become ritualized and sort of like embedded in the fabric 554 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,200 Speaker 1: of your whole driving experience, especially if it was a 555 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:30,399 Speaker 1: longer drive. So yeah, no, for sure. Uh, Phil, I'm 556 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,759 Speaker 1: on Google Maps doing a little testing here to see 557 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 1: on I forty four, I believe that's the one you 558 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:40,840 Speaker 1: were mentioning. Yes, I forty four and I two seventy 559 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,479 Speaker 1: looking at the exchange there, if you were to drive 560 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:49,840 Speaker 1: twenty three minutes roughly on that road, uh, heading outward, 561 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:54,040 Speaker 1: so outbound from the exchange there, going south on I 562 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:58,720 Speaker 1: forty four. Uh, it looks like maybe this is what happened. 563 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:04,120 Speaker 1: You ended up at the Pacific Palisades Conservation Area and 564 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,160 Speaker 1: the surrounding nature areas over there, and you ended up 565 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:14,799 Speaker 1: fishing there and you didn't realize it. You just you 566 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,080 Speaker 1: thought you were in Springfield, but you ended up there 567 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:23,320 Speaker 1: accidentally and it made that wrong turn in Albuquerque. No, 568 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,480 Speaker 1: I'm just I'm only joking, Yes, but I'm only only 569 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:30,680 Speaker 1: joking there. Um. It's it's really weird to think about this, 570 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:32,799 Speaker 1: you guys, And it makes me think what you're saying 571 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:36,920 Speaker 1: there been. If I put on a really familiar album 572 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,239 Speaker 1: and I'm on the road, it does, especially like you said, 573 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,879 Speaker 1: like commutes feels like it just occurs and it's gone. 574 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,920 Speaker 1: Or even podcasts sometimes if I'm listening maybe like you 575 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,960 Speaker 1: are now and on the road or something, it feels 576 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,919 Speaker 1: as though time has just gone by. But that goes 577 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:54,680 Speaker 1: in the other direction though, you know what I mean. 578 00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,359 Speaker 1: You see, That's what it makes this such a such 579 00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:01,839 Speaker 1: a such an interesting story year is because like, what 580 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,960 Speaker 1: was happening there? Phil? Did you did you tune out 581 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:09,719 Speaker 1: to the sweet silence of York and then just redline 582 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,400 Speaker 1: your truck all the way? Like? Did you? Did it 583 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:16,240 Speaker 1: just happen? Not to get pulled over or clocked or ever? Think, Wow, 584 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,480 Speaker 1: I am ripping it with the left foot today. Um. 585 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,680 Speaker 1: I will say that the I am not surprised that 586 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:26,520 Speaker 1: the most common feedback you're getting is people saying you 587 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:30,200 Speaker 1: misread the time. The reason I'm not surprised is because 588 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:34,719 Speaker 1: that is the most mundane explanation. However, uh, and I 589 00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,560 Speaker 1: think you're being very fair about writing that out in 590 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:42,120 Speaker 1: this In this correspondence with however, I would say that 591 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:46,880 Speaker 1: you are I can see what's confusing because the details 592 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,400 Speaker 1: you include. You know, I keep going back to the playlist. 593 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,400 Speaker 1: What I would think is interesting and this is taking 594 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,360 Speaker 1: a page from for Matt's grimoire here, But what I 595 00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:59,040 Speaker 1: think you might consider doing if you're if you're in 596 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:03,680 Speaker 1: for an adventure, is retracing the route with the same 597 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:08,359 Speaker 1: music and start at one oh seven pm. Get get 598 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,439 Speaker 1: all the variables as close as you can, and see 599 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:15,200 Speaker 1: if you can reproduce this and then tell us what happens. 600 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:17,640 Speaker 1: What do you guys think? Is that crazy? Am I 601 00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:21,120 Speaker 1: like demanding too much time from fields? No, dude, he's 602 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:24,520 Speaker 1: got to get on the highway at one eleven pm. 603 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,400 Speaker 1: He's got he's got an extra two hours and forty 604 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,360 Speaker 1: five minutes from the universe, right, so you could probably yeah, 605 00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,279 Speaker 1: you know, he's got to change. Well, he said he's 606 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,800 Speaker 1: going fishing, right, that's uh? Or no, yeah, doing business 607 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:40,680 Speaker 1: in Springfield? Uh, yep, yep. So he's got a head 608 00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:45,359 Speaker 1: over to Springfield again, do some trout fishing the other Springfield, Yeah, 609 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:50,600 Speaker 1: the other one. Or is this just a Simpsons joke 610 00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:52,879 Speaker 1: that I'm not getting? Maybe that's what this is. Maybe 611 00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:54,960 Speaker 1: this whole thing is a Simpsons joke. That I just 612 00:37:55,080 --> 00:38:00,160 Speaker 1: am missing. Perhaps perhaps, but you know, maybe the entirety 613 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,400 Speaker 1: of the universe and the way we perceive it is 614 00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:06,600 Speaker 1: some sort of joke. We just we just don't know 615 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,280 Speaker 1: who the joke is for. Hopefully it's for us. Hopefully 616 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,160 Speaker 1: we're not we're the audience of the joke and not 617 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:16,200 Speaker 1: the subject. But that's a uh, that's a question for 618 00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,759 Speaker 1: another day. And I guess everything we know about stand 619 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,000 Speaker 1: up and crowd work shows us those two groups are 620 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:25,319 Speaker 1: not mutually exclusive. Great, that's where we got God as 621 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,840 Speaker 1: a as an insult comic. I hope that is not 622 00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,680 Speaker 1: where the bunch of lit um. But yeah, drive safe, Phil, 623 00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,000 Speaker 1: And seriously, I know it sounds like a little bit 624 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,960 Speaker 1: of a of a jest, but I would love to 625 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,239 Speaker 1: I would love to hear back from you. I don't 626 00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,040 Speaker 1: know if if you guys are on board with this, 627 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:45,960 Speaker 1: but I would love to hear back from Phil if 628 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:50,000 Speaker 1: he has if he does this experiment to get you 629 00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,480 Speaker 1: know what I mean, and try to yeah dash oh yeah, 630 00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:56,879 Speaker 1: dash cam. But here's here's the other thing I'm thinking too, Matt. 631 00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:01,120 Speaker 1: If this is a if we learned any thing about 632 00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:05,120 Speaker 1: our explorations of quantum physics, when we're looking at dreams, 633 00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,880 Speaker 1: we're looking at the passage of time. Then would having 634 00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:13,880 Speaker 1: extra observers there, whether dash cam or say another person 635 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,960 Speaker 1: writing shotgun? Would that be too much of a monkey 636 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,920 Speaker 1: bridge to throw in there. I don't know, dash a 637 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:23,120 Speaker 1: good question. Yeah, Oh, dash cam would be good. Yeah, 638 00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:24,600 Speaker 1: because you know, it's it's one of those things you 639 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:26,640 Speaker 1: see in like sci fi movies where when these kind 640 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,200 Speaker 1: of time jobs happen on security cameras and then all 641 00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:30,960 Speaker 1: of a sudden, like the clock on this, like the 642 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,839 Speaker 1: time code jumps on the security camera too. That would 643 00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:38,440 Speaker 1: be a trippy thing to see, Like in Contact, you 644 00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:43,719 Speaker 1: guys remember Contact, coster Um, there were parts of that 645 00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,360 Speaker 1: movie I really liked. That were parts of that movie 646 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,200 Speaker 1: that I really liked. I agree. I thought it was 647 00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:54,319 Speaker 1: a very Carl Sagany kind of interesting take on all 648 00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,440 Speaker 1: of that stuff, and I really quite enjoyed it. But 649 00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,799 Speaker 1: you're right, there also are parts of it that were 650 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,160 Speaker 1: not as good. Just said, there are parts of it 651 00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:05,880 Speaker 1: that I really like. That's that's fair um. Cool cool 652 00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,839 Speaker 1: story either way, and and a fun thought experiment, which 653 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,719 Speaker 1: I'm always a big fan of. And maybe we have 654 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,239 Speaker 1: jumped ahead in time a little bit too. The time 655 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,600 Speaker 1: changed just for peak behind the curtain here, folks, the 656 00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:21,360 Speaker 1: time change is still a little weird for uh, the 657 00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,520 Speaker 1: four of us, because well, maybe not as weird for 658 00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,960 Speaker 1: people with windows. You guys have windows in your rooms, 659 00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,640 Speaker 1: right yeah, but mine are closed. And whenever I walk 660 00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,000 Speaker 1: out of here on a day like this, when it's 661 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:36,080 Speaker 1: six thirty at night, it's pitch dark outside, and I 662 00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:39,720 Speaker 1: don't like it one bit. I'm always surprised when Code 663 00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,960 Speaker 1: named Doc Holiday, who will like hop off camera a 664 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,560 Speaker 1: lot of times while we're recording talk. I'm always surprised 665 00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:49,279 Speaker 1: when you hop on and it's like completely dark where 666 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,800 Speaker 1: you're recording. Uh it lets me know about the passage 667 00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,919 Speaker 1: of time, because right now, it's like when we it's 668 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:59,480 Speaker 1: like when you go see um a late Mattenee movie 669 00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,239 Speaker 1: in the theater, when people used to do that, and 670 00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,399 Speaker 1: then you would walk out and you would think, what 671 00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,919 Speaker 1: alien world am I in? Now? You know what I mean? 672 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:13,800 Speaker 1: Enveloped in darkness? That's the best. My son is excited. 673 00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:17,320 Speaker 1: That means it's time for us to say to fill 674 00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:25,080 Speaker 1: who else to fill? To arrange s and to another man, 675 00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,560 Speaker 1: oh yes, sorry, b man long may his name rain? 676 00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:30,880 Speaker 1: I actually really love b Man. I think that's a 677 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,680 Speaker 1: cool name. Guest to you into all of our other 678 00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:37,440 Speaker 1: fellow conspiracy realists who wrote to us, who called to 679 00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:41,200 Speaker 1: uh left a hot take on a YouTube video. We 680 00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,879 Speaker 1: can't wait to hear more from you. One thing, one 681 00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,680 Speaker 1: thing I would say is that we got we We've 682 00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:53,360 Speaker 1: noticed a pattern. We're facilitating conversation and we're getting so 683 00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:57,600 Speaker 1: many replies from from one of our fellow listeners to 684 00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:02,080 Speaker 1: another about a specific a specific things. So you know, 685 00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:07,440 Speaker 1: our standardized testing episode is gonna be a standalone episode, 686 00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,080 Speaker 1: but it's probably gonna have a lot of feedback from 687 00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,600 Speaker 1: you all, from the educators who have written in, from 688 00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,080 Speaker 1: the people who have experienced this, UH, and we want 689 00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:18,359 Speaker 1: to keep it going. I just want to emphasize never 690 00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,680 Speaker 1: hesitate to reach out to us with new, wild stuff 691 00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,000 Speaker 1: that you haven't heard us talk about on air before. 692 00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:27,120 Speaker 1: We love it. It's it's the best thing. UH. Please 693 00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:30,400 Speaker 1: send that in lieu of gifts, as they say, different 694 00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:36,000 Speaker 1: monument just occasions. But where do I send it? You're saying, Well, 695 00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,440 Speaker 1: if you're already on the internet, we have endeavored to 696 00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,600 Speaker 1: make this pretty easy. UH. Just go to your Facebook, 697 00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,080 Speaker 1: go to your Instagram, Goo to your Twitter you can 698 00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,400 Speaker 1: find us. We like to recommend Here's where it gets crazy. 699 00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:53,000 Speaker 1: Uh repeatedly three times now voted the best site on 700 00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:56,680 Speaker 1: social media by us at the at the end of 701 00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,439 Speaker 1: this show is the third time we've done it. Maybe 702 00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:04,839 Speaker 1: we'll you will retire undefeated from our arbitrary thing. All right, 703 00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,799 Speaker 1: well that's that joke. Hey, where can people find just 704 00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:12,920 Speaker 1: they don't like social media? Oh? 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