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Speaker 1: Content warning. This episode features topics related to sexual assault

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Speaker 1: and abuse, as well as struggles with drug addiction. For

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Speaker 1: those in search of help, there are resources in our

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Speaker 1: show notes for today's episode.

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Speaker 2: Fire Department of twenty six baby not breathing. He was

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Speaker 2: just found like this question, Karen, I don't know you.

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Speaker 1: Called me crying. On October fifth, twenty seventeen, Dori orders

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Speaker 1: three week old baby a boy named Boez stops breathing

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Speaker 1: and a man who calls it in. The man on

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Speaker 1: that nine to one one call is Carmen Puliafido.

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Speaker 3: When I found out that Polyofido was the one to

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Speaker 3: call nine on one, I just almost broke down.

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Speaker 1: That's Dora's sister, Miriam Jones.

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Speaker 3: Because it's just so painfully obvious that he is responsible

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Speaker 3: for my sister's drug habit. And at this point I

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Speaker 3: found out that Sarah Warren and others who were involved

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Speaker 3: with him were addicted to drugs, and I just could

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Speaker 3: not believe that nothing was being done about this. No

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Speaker 3: one cared.

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Speaker 1: Pulliafido tells the paramedics that Dora is his quote girlfriend,

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Speaker 1: like Sarah Warren, He's been subsidizing her lifestyle with money

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Speaker 1: and drugs. In exchange for sex. The reporting team at

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Speaker 1: the La Times, Matt, Sarah, Harriet, Adam and Me had

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Speaker 1: learned about Dora Yoder during our reporting on Sarah Warren.

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Speaker 1: Dora was one of a number of young people in

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Speaker 1: Pulliafido's circle. But when we learn of the baby's death,

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Speaker 1: we have questions, how exactly did this three week old

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Speaker 1: boy die? Why was Pulliafido the one to make the call,

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Speaker 1: And finally, if he's involved in this tragedy, we'll pull

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Speaker 1: the a Fido finally face justice. My name is Paul

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Speaker 1: Pringle and this is Fallen Angels. This is episode eight

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Speaker 1: Bad Doctors.

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Speaker 4: I got a text one day and I was like

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Speaker 4: standing in my front yard doing some kind of like

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Speaker 4: yardwork or something, and the text was just like their

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Speaker 4: baby died.

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Speaker 1: Reporter Harriet Ryan.

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Speaker 4: I think the first direction we had is just all

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Speaker 4: feeling like guilt and just should we have done something more?

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Speaker 5: But then we just you know.

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Speaker 4: Started going into reporter mode. We've done a lot of

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Speaker 4: door knocking of associates of Polifido, including Dora Yoder, and

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Speaker 4: she hadn't talked to us, but being out in that area,

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Speaker 4: we had developed some sources.

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Speaker 5: I remember kind of frantically checking the La County Coroner's

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Speaker 5: website looking for a baby with the last name Yoda,

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Speaker 5: and there it was that this infant had died, and

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Speaker 5: it was like a holy shit moment. It's like, oh my,

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Speaker 5: like how could this happen? Matt Hamilton, I remember immediately

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Speaker 5: filing a bunch of public records requests for everything about

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Speaker 5: Dora Yoda calls for service. So I did that for

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Speaker 5: Dora at all her addresses and got a bunch of

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Speaker 5: records within a few weeks. One was a call from

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Speaker 5: Dora's father, Meno Yoder, a few years prior.

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Speaker 1: I'll do you a share station, you may I help you.

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Speaker 2: I would like to make a report on my daughter. Okay,

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Speaker 2: and my daughter's been known to do drugs and she's

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Speaker 2: involved with a doctor that's also known to do drugs. Okay,

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Speaker 2: last Saturday night, my daughter left and we haven't seen

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Speaker 2: her talk to her since. But the doctor keeps showing

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Speaker 2: moto some one place and what she's doing at a

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Speaker 2: moodkill is that's true, But we just don't know. This

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Speaker 2: is all coming from this doctor that she's involved with.

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Speaker 2: And I got his name. He's an eye doctor.

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Speaker 1: Dora's father, Meno, had made these calls when the family

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Speaker 1: was trying to get Pullia Fido out of Dora's life

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Speaker 1: after it had become clear to them he was supplying

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Speaker 5: And then the other was the nine one one call

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Speaker 5: from the morning the baby died.

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Speaker 1: Baby not breathing yet, baby not breathing.

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Speaker 5: And like, as soon as it played, I remember hearing

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Speaker 5: Pulli Fido's voice and it was the same voice heard

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Speaker 5: in those videos he and Sarah Warren using drugs, and

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Speaker 5: I can still hear him saying, baby not breathing, like

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Speaker 5: breath away. Now, in La County, you don't know why

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Speaker 5: someone died for several months sometimes because the toxicology reports

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Speaker 5: and frankly, the corner didn't know how the baby died.

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Speaker 1: While the police are still waiting for the coroner's toxicology report,

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Speaker 1: Miriam and her family are already convinced that Puliafido is

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Speaker 3: I learned about this from my parents. They called to

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Speaker 3: tell me that doors baby died. It just from the

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Speaker 3: responsible for this baby's death. My sister, according to medical records,

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Speaker 3: was not on drugs when she had the baby. She

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Speaker 1: Ariol Franco is Dora's boyfriend, the baby's father.

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Speaker 3: The baby was at a checkup two days before this

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Speaker 3: baby died and it was healthy. There were no drugs.

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Speaker 3: And remember at this point, Poiafido had not met the baby,

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Speaker 3: this baby. Ril said that Luiafido insisted she come to

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Speaker 5: At that point, we were one of the only people

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Speaker 5: situation and connected some of them. So we're like, how

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Speaker 5: do we approach Dora's family, or do we approach Dora's family?

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Speaker 5: We hadn't done any outreach to the Yoders, but in

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Speaker 5: newspaper had written about Dora's older sister years prior, and

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Speaker 5: Dora's older sister was a hairdresser, and she had been

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Speaker 5: profiled in Yella Times about being former Amish now being

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Speaker 5: a hairdresser in Los Angeles. Miriam had had a great

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Speaker 5: experience in working with Yelly Times. Before she answered the

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Speaker 5: had almost been waiting for the call, it seemed, but

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Speaker 5: this was the Warren's Part two in a sense of

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Speaker 5: just another family recognizing Pullifido's influence in their sister or

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Speaker 5: daughter's life. And are kind of powerless for how to

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Speaker 5: extricate their loved one.

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Speaker 1: The nine to one to one call and this conversation

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Speaker 1: with Miriam are the basis for our first story about

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Speaker 1: BoA's Yoda. It runs in January twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 5: The first story we did was really just to kind

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Speaker 5: of point out what we did now, which was you

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Speaker 5: have the nine one one call, you have Pullifidos in

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Speaker 5: the picture, he's paying the rent, and that Dora's sister

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Speaker 5: is kind of pushing authorities to investigate.

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Speaker 1: Two months later, the coroner's Talks of Collegey report confirms

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Speaker 1: what Mariamne her family have suspected. There was meth in

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Speaker 1: the baby's body. So now the La County Sheriff's Department

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Speaker 1: opens an investigation with the DA's office into Pulliafido.

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Speaker 3: There was a criminal investigation, a homicide investigation opened up

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Speaker 3: into this incident with Boaz because I went to the

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Speaker 3: homicide department and I gave a statement for almost three

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Speaker 3: hours about everything I knew about Pulifido and my sister

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Speaker 3: and Ril, how he gives her drugs, how he monitors her,

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Speaker 3: about how he gives Ril drugs, and they agreed to

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Speaker 1: In the face of a homicide investigation, Pulliafido starts to

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Speaker 1: feel real heat. He hires a law firm and claims

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Speaker 1: he never gave drugs to Dori Yoder, and he threatens

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Speaker 1: the La Times with a libel lawsuit. He also tries

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Speaker 3: Only a month or two after the investigation began, I

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Speaker 3: received some strange visitors at my house and they didn't

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Speaker 3: identify themselves fully except by name. They didn't say who

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Speaker 3: they started asking me questions about baby's death. I told

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Speaker 3: that they were clearly working for Puliafido, and I told

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Speaker 3: them to leave and never come back. And at that

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Speaker 3: written statement for them to sign. The statement was obviously

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Speaker 3: in favor of Puliaffido the entire story of everything that happened.

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Speaker 1: Dora's parents won't sign the statement, and based on the

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Speaker 1: suspicion that Pulliafido was the source of the myth in

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Speaker 1: BoA's bloodstream, La County Sheriff homicide detectives began building a

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Speaker 1: case for involuntary manslaughter.

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Speaker 5: They did interview Dora because she admitted using meth the

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Speaker 1: But the detectives have one big problem. Dora won't say

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Speaker 1: anything to implicate Puleiofido. She won't testify whether he provided

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Speaker 1: the myth. She won't say whether he was using drugs

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Speaker 1: is it any more forthcoming?

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Speaker 5: He did acknowledge that he had gone to Dora's apartment

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Speaker 5: his first instinct was to call nine one one, and

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Speaker 1: But when the coroner rules on the cause of death,

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Speaker 1: it's not a drug poisoning. Despite the fact that there

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Speaker 1: was myth in a baby system. It's deemed a quote

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Speaker 1: accidental asphyxiation caused by the blankets in the crib. Meth

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Speaker 1: Amphetamine exposure from breast milk is listed as a quote

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Speaker 1: contributing condition, but not related to the immediate cause of death.

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Speaker 1: But Matt and Harriet discovered that the deputy medical examiner

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Speaker 1: who conducted the autopsy had changed her ruling after learning

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Speaker 1: that the Times was asking questions. Initially, she had determined

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Speaker 1: the cause of death was inconclusive, but now it's an accident.

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Speaker 3: I mean, a baby doesn't just have meth in its system.

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Speaker 5: It was fifty nanograms per milla leader a meth in

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Speaker 5: the baby's body, which is not super high.

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Speaker 4: There's not a lot of studies that are done. It

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Speaker 4: was a very tiny amount and it wasn't enough for

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Speaker 4: them to determine that it played a role in the death,

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Speaker 4: so they have never charged anybody.

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Speaker 5: There was also a burn on Bos's hand. I know,

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Speaker 5: like kids get injuries generally. That I mean, there was

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Speaker 5: a burn on the baby's hand, and Yoda had told

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Speaker 5: investigators that her eighteen daled infant had reached out and

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Speaker 5: touched a hot pan and that's how he got the burn.

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Speaker 5: This pathologist had told us that in his view, the

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Speaker 5: burn that was described to him was from more than

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Speaker 5: just touching something hot.

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Speaker 1: Dennis kill Coin was a homicide detective with the LAPD

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Speaker 1: for thirty six years. He investigated high profile cases like

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Speaker 1: the serial killer, Grim Sleeper, and the Black Widow murders.

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Speaker 1: He's worked extensively with medical examiners.

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Speaker 6: We were required to as part of our investigation and

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Speaker 6: required to attend the autopsies, and because that was deemed

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Speaker 7: He also locked the door for me. He didn't close

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Speaker 7: the privacy screen, and he made me change.

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Speaker 5: In front of him.

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Speaker 7: And then when I was changing from him, he turned

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Speaker 7: see his eyes looking and I remember thinking, I don't

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Speaker 7: know what's going on. Let's just get this over with.

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Speaker 1: Tindall then pointed to a map of China on the

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Speaker 7: He asked me about that after I was in the stirrups.

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Speaker 7: He said, are you Chinese? Can you tell me what

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Speaker 7: I mean people people know that usually there's like anatomy pictures,

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Speaker 7: like a map of China on the wall. He asked

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Speaker 7: I'm short, i have bad skin, I'm like, I'm overweight,

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Speaker 7: like like I you know, I know what a model

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Speaker 5: It's so strange.

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Speaker 1: It all fell off to Lucy, and once she was

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Speaker 1: on the table, helpless, the doctor sexually assaulted her.

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Speaker 7: Tendall told me that when he was examining me that

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Speaker 7: he needed to he lacked my vaginal muscles, and I

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Speaker 7: believed him. You know, I internalized it. I think I

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Speaker 7: never wanted to allow myself to believe what he was

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Speaker 7: doing was wrong. I think I was still very idealistic

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Speaker 7: about doctors and the medical field in general, and so

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Speaker 7: I didn't allow myself to believe, you know, the things

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Speaker 7: made vague excuses for when he was assaulting me. About

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Speaker 7: how there was a medical necessity.

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Speaker 1: Then Lucy heard the voice of one of the nurses

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Speaker 7: She came when I was halfway through my exam, and

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Speaker 7: she was knocking on the door and she's yelling through

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Speaker 7: the door saying, are you in there with a patient?

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Speaker 5: Let me in.

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Speaker 7: Immediately after I left the exam room, I remember just

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Speaker 7: wanting to get away as far away as possible, and

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Speaker 7: there were so many female staff members. I was just

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Speaker 7: running down you know, like a short hallway as staff

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Speaker 7: members were calling me from left and right asking me

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Speaker 7: if I was okay. Someone followed me out of the

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Speaker 7: clinic to ask me if I was okay, to ask

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Speaker 7: if there was anything that could help me with There

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Speaker 7: were actually several instances that looking back that I realized, Oh,

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Speaker 7: everyone knew.

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Speaker 1: It's not just the staff at the health clinic, the

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Speaker 1: people who work with Dyndall who knew what he did

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Speaker 1: and had been doing for years. The more we investigate,

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Speaker 1: the more it becomes clear at the highest levels of

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Speaker 1: leadership at USC, they knew. Next time on Fallen angels Us, he.

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Speaker 4: Just has this like had this culture of like no

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Speaker 4: bad news, like nobody wants to hear any bad news

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Speaker 4: just solve the problem.

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Speaker 1: But USC could no longer avoid bad news.

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Speaker 5: It seemed like they're a filibus strain to a certain extent.

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Speaker 1: We needed him to see it was over and ugly

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Speaker 1: truths are finally revealed.

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Speaker 8: USC was not the only university to have a doctor

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Speaker 8: who preyed on women's students, but USC again as the worst.

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Speaker 3: We're always gonna have predators, but it's the good people

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Speaker 3: who stand by and do nothing that allow them to flourish.

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Speaker 1: That's next time on Fallen Angels. Fallen Angels, the Story

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Speaker 1: Hannah Leebowitz Lockhart and On Paho Locke. Executive producers are me,

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