1 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: And if you're talking to the right kid into their 2 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: left family and they want to come play for someone 3 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: who's really going to be passionate, enthusiastic about their development 4 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: as a young man. 5 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 2: That's where we find success because it's real. 6 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:17,639 Speaker 1: Because it's authentic, because it starts with I love you, 7 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: it ends with I love you. 8 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:22,079 Speaker 3: This is the Reform Sports Project, a podcast about restoring 9 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 3: healthy balance and perspective in all areas of sports through 10 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 3: education and advocacy. Hi, this is Nick Bonacor from the 11 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:32,199 Speaker 3: Reform Sports Podcast. Today, I'm reconnecting with. 12 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 4: Dan mulrooney, the head football coach at lock Haven University. 13 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 4: I first interviewed Dan in episode nine at the end 14 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 4: of twenty twenty one, right after he had led NCAA 15 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 4: Division III Anna Maria College to its first ever NCAA 16 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 4: Tournament appearance and first ever Eastern Collegiate Football Conference championship. 17 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 4: Dan moved on to lock Haven in twenty twenty two 18 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 4: and recently led the team to its first five win 19 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 4: season in forty one years. 20 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 3: Dan and I discussed his success in turning around struggling 21 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 3: football program, college recruitment, and the highs and lows of 22 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 3: coaching at the collegiate level. Man, we got a first, 23 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 3: the first of having a guest for the second time, 24 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 3: and I couldn't be more like ecstatic to have this 25 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:15,919 Speaker 3: dude on. He graced us with his presence right right 26 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 3: around the beginning when the pod launched, and at the time, 27 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 3: he was coming off of a storybook season for a small, 28 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 3: little Division III school in the Northeast. He totally turned 29 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:30,559 Speaker 3: around the program and was coming off of Cinderella season 30 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 3: and Maria College. But now here we are two seasons later, 31 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:39,479 Speaker 3: coming off of another Cinderella story, another turnaround story at 32 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:42,479 Speaker 3: the Division two level with lock Haven University. Man, I'm 33 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 3: just so pumped to have him. Head football coach lock 34 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 3: Haven University, Dan mulrooney, Dan Man, thanks for hopping on, 35 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 3: bro Nick. 36 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 2: Thanks so much. Man, I'm excited to be on. Obviously. 37 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 2: You have a hell of a. 38 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 1: Hell of a podcast, help of a story here. What 39 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 1: you're doing is incredible. Just thank you an honored to 40 00:01:57,680 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 1: be on again. 41 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 2: I can't have enough words to thank. 42 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 3: You, So let's just jump in in the saddle here. 43 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 3: First of all, he old you. Are you even forty 44 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 3: years old? 45 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 2: Yet I'm thirty four thirty four? 46 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 3: Holy gee, I'm ten years older than you. But anyway, 47 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 3: so a young man thirty four dude, So you're you're 48 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 3: a head football coach at the D two. Why do 49 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 3: you seem to be taking over programs that seem to 50 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 3: be like I want to just call them like outcast. 51 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 3: It almost seems like coaches don't want to go to 52 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 3: these progsm too. How do you turn them around so 53 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 3: quickly at such a young age? 54 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I took over to rebuilding programs. And 55 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: when you're rebuilding, you better have a lot you better 56 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:35,639 Speaker 1: at first of all, you better have a vision, right 57 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 1: I think number one when you take over a program 58 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: that hasn't had success in a very long time. 59 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:41,799 Speaker 2: First at the Division. 60 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 1: III level, never won more than one game, and then 61 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:48,639 Speaker 1: Lockehaven never won more than two games three games in 62 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 1: forty one years. 63 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 2: This year we won five games. It's the most in 64 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 2: forty one years. Pretty wild, pretty great story. 65 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 1: I think the two things you walk into a rebuild 66 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 1: and I've learned this, which is amazing. When program durn 67 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 1: rock Bottom, you better have a really really strong vision, 68 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: number one, and number two, you better have a lot 69 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: of confidence in your vision because the second you don't 70 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 1: believe it or the second you don't surround yourself with 71 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 1: your staff and with people that really buy into what 72 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 1: you're trying to do. You know, the kids, the staff, 73 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 1: the school. Everyone's smart and they can see right through 74 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 1: a phony. You better be authentic, and you better have 75 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: a confidence level to yourself that's real and that's passionate, 76 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 1: and that's something that you could really change and change quickly. 77 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 1: I mean the whole reason you take a rebuild is 78 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 1: for the opportunity, right, I mean, the opportunity is huge obviously. 79 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 2: You know. 80 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: I decide to see every problem as an opportunity to 81 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: find a solution, right, And I love problems. 82 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 2: I think I'm a great solution person. 83 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 1: And you know, it's more impactful when you can turn 84 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: around to program that Like at this place at Lockape, 85 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: my interview for the job is that we're gonna win here. 86 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 2: And they're like, well, we haven't had. 87 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: A we haven't won five games in forty one years. 88 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 2: It's going to be a long haul. And I'm like, 89 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 2: just trust me, trust me. I know I'm doing that. 90 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: I just did it at the hardest place to win 91 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 1: I think in the country, at a Maria college, and 92 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: I know the resources here. I know what's possible and 93 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 1: it's gonna happen here, and you just have that confidence 94 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: in yourself and it kind of just exhudes to everybody 95 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: else and it's pretty impactful when it actually kee me done. 96 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 2: And actually I was shocked myself. I did it pretty quickly. 97 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 3: And that brings me to this, like, how do you 98 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 3: get so you have the vision, right, you have the 99 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 3: belief in yourself, but how do you get a group 100 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 3: of eighteen to twenty two year old kids, you know roughly, 101 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 3: to buy in so quickly? I mean, I think about 102 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 3: the movie I'm Gonna Show my atu here. I think 103 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:36,599 Speaker 3: about the movie Wildcats. You know, here's this new coach. 104 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:38,799 Speaker 3: You know in that movie Goldie hawn Right, it's a comedy, 105 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 3: but in general, sometimes there's like, you know, a new 106 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 3: coach comes in, it's like the players might test the 107 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 3: Water's like, what the hell does this guy know? He's 108 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:49,239 Speaker 3: only X amount of years older than me, he doesn't 109 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 3: know more than me. But how do you get these guys, 110 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 3: these athletes to buy in so quickly to your vision? 111 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:56,039 Speaker 2: Yeah? 112 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 1: I think like just in general, like every coach says 113 00:04:58,360 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 1: the same things when they take over a job, right, 114 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:01,600 Speaker 1: walk into a job and they said, we're gonna do this. 115 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 2: We're gonna do that. 116 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:04,160 Speaker 1: You know when with the people, you gotta do this. 117 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: We have to recruit, as recruiting is the lifeblood. Like 118 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: they also had the same coach talk realistically, it's about 119 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: connecting with those kids, like. 120 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 2: That's really what it's about. It's having emotional intelligence. We 121 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 2: talk about that a lot as the staff. 122 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 1: Emotional intelligence to me is the ability to connect with people. 123 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:22,839 Speaker 1: And when I got interviewed for the job and I 124 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 1: met with the team, it was basically over because what 125 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:27,479 Speaker 1: happened was I walked in that room, I closed the door, 126 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: there was no administrators in there, and I said, I 127 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: want to win now. I said, all the other stuff 128 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 1: you're gonna hear about rebuilding is it takes time and 129 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 1: we're gonna do things the right way and blah blah blah. 130 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:39,919 Speaker 1: I said, guys, I want to win now. Are you 131 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 1: willing to sacrifice what it takes? And you got to 132 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 1: make a choice to be great and to be elite 133 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 1: If you want to be average, I'm the wrong guy. 134 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 2: For the job. 135 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 1: And when you look them in the eyes and you 136 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:50,840 Speaker 1: can connect with those kids, I'm only ten years removed 137 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 1: from playing the Division one football and their level of football. 138 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 1: And when you can get in that room with them 139 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 1: and you know you have their eyes right, you know, 140 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: you have them and their foots tapping under the chair, 141 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. You have them like you know, 142 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 1: and you have them and you know what they're going 143 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 1: to say and you know how they're reacting to you. 144 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 1: That's the emotional intelligence I think you need. There's new 145 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: generation of athletes right the TikTok, the Instagram culture there 146 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 1: right now, success stories. 147 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 2: They want it right now, right. 148 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 1: So when I closed the door after I got introduced, 149 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: the president walked out, the ad walked out. 150 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:23,159 Speaker 2: I closed the doors. Listen to all that stuff I 151 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 2: just said, it was great, But here's the real deal. 152 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 2: I want to win now. If you don't want to 153 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 2: win now, get out. And at lock Haven, well I 154 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 2: had them. 155 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 1: I took over a team with seventeen athletes on it, 156 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 1: and lock Haven I took over a team with thirty eight. 157 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 2: Athletes on it. 158 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 1: So rock Bottom was an understatement, but no one would 159 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: have walked into I knew the challenge was real, but 160 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: I knew the opportunity was better. 161 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 2: And you know, for me, when I talk to these athletes. 162 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:49,039 Speaker 2: I just talk to them real like. 163 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:53,039 Speaker 1: I'm passionate, I love, I love my family, and you know, 164 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: I'm tough. You know, that's my brand, That's who I 165 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:57,159 Speaker 1: am as a person. I hold that very sacred to 166 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 1: myself and everything I say, everything I do, the way 167 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:04,159 Speaker 1: I act, those three words come out passion, love and toughness. 168 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 1: And that's our culture, you know. And you can't fake it, 169 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 1: you know, you put it on the board. Every place has, 170 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: you know, passion, toughness, family all over the board, like, 171 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 1: but that's me and I protect that really sacred. And 172 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: I think in this new generation having a youthful coach 173 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 1: that has a lot of enthusiasm to coach centric world too, 174 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 1: like marketing, branding. I'm sure we'll get into that stuff, 175 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 1: but you know, that's what the coach centric. 176 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 2: World is right now. 177 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: The football program a lot of these small colleges of 178 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: the front porch to the university and what people are 179 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 1: seeing and when people go to the games, it means 180 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: a lot to the community, it means a lot to 181 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: the school. 182 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 3: So when you say you connect with them, I mean 183 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 3: you are only ten years removed. So I mean I'm 184 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 3: ten years removed from you. Ry, I'm ten years older 185 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 3: than you. But the difference between a forty four year 186 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 3: old thirty four year old, I mean you kind of 187 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 3: probably started really you kind of grew up at the 188 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 3: very I don't know, I don't even know, like when 189 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 3: social media you probably were still in college or even 190 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 3: beforehand when it really started to kind of you know, 191 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 3: get a little momentum so you can connect with them, right, 192 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 3: And there's you know, I notice I talked to you know, 193 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 3: one of my biggest mentors in my life is Mike Fox, 194 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 3: who was a longtime coach University of North Carolina baseball team, 195 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 3: Hall of Famer and you know, a legend, and he said, 196 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 3: it's different. You know, he retired a few years ago, 197 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 3: and he's like these younger coaches who grew up in 198 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 3: this environment, they can really connect. And here's a guy 199 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 3: who has had success, you know, been to the College 200 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 3: World Series numerous times and one at the Division three level, 201 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 3: and then of course was in Omaha six or seven 202 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 3: times at Chapel Hill. And when he was ready to retire, 203 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 3: he's like, man, you know, it's just different now. So 204 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 3: what is you having the experience only being ten years removed? 205 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 3: Why is that an advantage, do you believe versus someone 206 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 3: who maybe my age or a little bit older, who 207 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 3: may be quote unquote a little more seasoned. But why 208 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 3: does that give you potentially an advantage with connecting with 209 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 3: these with these younger kids particularly, I guess in the 210 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 3: recruiting process. 211 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, the social media age. I got into it. 212 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 1: I start coaching twenty thirteen, so it was right when 213 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: like twitters started being big, Instagram. I'll say, I have 214 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:02,959 Speaker 1: all the apps and all the things that they have, 215 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 1: and I understand how I connect. 216 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 2: It's so easy to access kids these days. Right back 217 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 2: in the day when. 218 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 1: We were growing up, send the DVD or the vhs 219 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:13,559 Speaker 1: and whatever. The coaches, I think it really just helps recruiting, 220 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: you know, when you're younger and you want to be 221 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: really connected to these kids, know what they want, right, 222 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:21,839 Speaker 1: Recruiting is a simple thing to me. It's a lot 223 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: of effort, but my simple thought we're recruiting is don't 224 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:28,839 Speaker 1: change the tract. Right, So everything that they see on 225 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:32,199 Speaker 1: social everything that you want them seeing, everything that they 226 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 1: want you to believe, you could put out there in 227 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: social media and they see it. Recruiting is a huge 228 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:39,679 Speaker 1: piece of that and the connection with older coaches. 229 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 2: Versus younger coaches. To answer your question on that, I. 230 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 1: Think it's as simple as adapter die right, And you 231 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:47,559 Speaker 1: know the famous you know, famous books on that stuff 232 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: and things like that. But times are changing, you know, 233 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 1: and obviously sports are changing. 234 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 2: Whether it's baseball, football. 235 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: And you have to sacrifice sometimes some of your morals 236 00:09:57,520 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: and some of your things to have a great team 237 00:09:59,160 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 1: and be a great recruit. 238 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 2: At the end of the day, you have to be real. 239 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 1: You have to be able to look those kids across 240 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 1: when they're here on campus. 241 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 2: But I'll talk to a lot of coaches, you know 242 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 2: a lot of coaches. The hardest part is. 243 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 1: Connecting with them and getting them on campus. And we 244 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 1: firmly believe here if they're sitting in my office and 245 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: I have a family sitting across from me, we're gonna 246 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 1: win on that recruit ninety percent of the time. 247 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 2: You know. 248 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 1: So it's one of those things that can you attract 249 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 1: the kid off your social media? 250 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 2: Can you connect with the kid off your social media? 251 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 2: And nowadays with the transfer. 252 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 1: Portal, we saw immense success from the transfer portal. 253 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 2: A lot of team you. 254 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:34,839 Speaker 1: Know, a lot of coaches I talk to that are older, 255 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 1: a bunch of the ones that just retired. 256 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 2: They're talking about how hard it is, you know, how 257 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 2: annoying it is. The portal is so tough. It's so hard. 258 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 2: It's so bad for college football. 259 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: Where I look at it as such an opportunity for 260 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 1: college football, it's just an opportunity for me. Now I'm 261 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 1: gonna rebuilding program. But I got a Penn State transfer 262 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: to come here, who was the first team All Conference player. 263 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 2: I had an Alabama. 264 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: Running back transfer to me in Lockhavid, I had Buffalo. 265 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: I had seventeen transfer come in from the portal and 266 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: they all were All conference. 267 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 2: Three of the four of them were All conference. 268 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: One was the offensive player of the Year in the 269 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: Peace Act, the first that Locke Caven's ever had major award. Wise, 270 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:13,680 Speaker 1: we made such a big step forward in the portal 271 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 1: because they're mature, you know, and you're able to speak 272 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 1: to these kids. 273 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 2: I was them right. I went to Bulkham College. 274 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 1: After I graduated, I transferred to Tony How was the 275 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 1: transfer success story? There's not many of those, and I 276 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: can look at them across and say, this is what 277 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 1: you need when you're transferring, Because to me, transferring. 278 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:33,839 Speaker 2: Is about trust. You have to trust the head coach and. 279 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 1: When every other assistant coach that's twenty five, twenty six 280 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 1: is contacting you when you're in the portal and you 281 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: feel lonely, when the head coach calls you and facetimes 282 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:44,320 Speaker 1: you and it's different, and you're like, Wow, this guy 283 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 1: is young, he's different. 284 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 2: He wants to give me a plan and we found 285 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 2: success there. Now, our closest airport is about three hours away. 286 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: At lot Cans, so it's not really a transfer portal destination, okay, 287 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, they want to 288 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: trust the head coach at their next school to have 289 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 1: a plan for them. And really, when you're looking at 290 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 1: you know, recruiting and social media and being young and 291 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 1: the portal is such a great thing for the new 292 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:10,599 Speaker 1: age college football because not only are the kids in 293 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 1: your team important, but obviously recruiting the grown men that's 294 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: going to make a difference in your program important too. 295 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:17,960 Speaker 1: So I know I long winded, but at the end 296 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:22,559 Speaker 1: of the day, social media, be young, having the opportunity 297 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:25,079 Speaker 1: to help people, I think there is. 298 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:26,959 Speaker 2: One of the main things that I believe I'm great at. 299 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 3: Let's just cut to the Chaser. You mentioned programs like 300 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 3: Penn State. You mentioned programs like Alabama. When I turn 301 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 3: on my you know, TV on Saturday to watch college football, 302 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 3: you know, I'm sorry to say it, I'm not watching 303 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 3: the Lockehaven They're not on TV, right, I mean, and 304 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 3: I'm a proud Division III graduate. You know, it's part 305 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 3: of a national championship team in baseball. Like, I have 306 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 3: a big heart and I'm a big advocate for find 307 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 3: the right fit. However, how do you, as a college 308 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 3: coach at the Division two level, you know, compete on 309 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 3: a recruiting trail with a high school kid or even 310 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 3: let's say a high school kid who is a fringe 311 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 3: FCS player or can go to lock Haven. You know, 312 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 3: let's say the kid can you know potentially you know, 313 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 3: go to an FCF school in the southeast, right, and 314 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 3: I mean, God for nothing, lock Haven a little bit 315 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 3: different weather in PA than it is when you're going 316 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 3: to a school in the Carolinas are in you know, 317 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:18,319 Speaker 3: the south somewhere warmer weather. So how do you, from 318 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 3: a competitive standpoint sell a Division two you know, rebuild? 319 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 3: I guess you know you've taken it to the next 320 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 3: level now versus a kid who may be somewhat courted 321 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 3: at an FCS school in Florida type thing. I mean, 322 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 3: do you feel comfortable that you can get those kids? 323 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 2: Yeah? 324 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 1: Absolutely, I think you know when I sell to really anyone, Right, 325 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 1: it's not about the price, it's not about the facilities, 326 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 1: it's not really not about any of that. A lot 327 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 1: of the schools are the same, right, every school, regardless 328 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 1: of the facilities, they're all similar. 329 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 2: Right. 330 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 1: There's dining halls, there's dorm rooms, there's stadiums, the helmets, 331 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:55,439 Speaker 1: their shoulder pads, some different colors, right, they have all 332 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 1: the same things. Every school is basically offering the same thing. 333 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:01,839 Speaker 1: Some are better prices, you know, some better things facility wise, 334 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 1: But what every school doesn't have is the people that 335 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,080 Speaker 1: could be the right fit. Like, you have to go 336 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 1: to a school, in my opinion, if you're looking at maturely, 337 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 1: it's transformational to go to college. That's what it should 338 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 1: be about. And when you're around the right people, you grow. 339 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 1: These eighteen to twenty two year olds are so impressionable. 340 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 2: And I was too, and I'm sure you were as well. 341 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 2: That you really have to be really selective. 342 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: And careful about the people you want to surround yourself 343 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: with because that's who you're going to become, especially at 344 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 1: that age, right, we're young men. 345 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 2: There's ego. 346 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 1: Eighteen to twenty two year old men are so hard 347 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: to control and so hard to be around. 348 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, it can transform 349 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 2: your life. 350 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 1: Into either a really positive thing, an average thing, or 351 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 1: go downhill. 352 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 2: And realistically, if you're looking at. 353 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: It maturely, like zoom out on all the other stuff, 354 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 1: right the stadium and the facilities, and you know the location, 355 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: and if it snows or if it's sunny, and really 356 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 1: zoom in on the people that are going to transform 357 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 1: your life. And if you're talking to the right kid 358 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: into the right family and they want to come play 359 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 1: for someone who's really going to be passionate, enthusiastic about 360 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: their development as a young man. That's where we find 361 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 1: success because it's real, because it's authentic, because it starts 362 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: with I love you, It ends with. 363 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 2: I love you. 364 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 1: Right a lock Haven any place I've been, right, and 365 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 1: these kids like. 366 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 2: There's nobody after the. 367 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 1: Season this year, you know it's portal season, right, there's 368 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 1: not one kid in the portal from lock Haven, right. 369 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 2: Because they love it here. You know, they love the coaches, 370 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 2: they love their. 371 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 1: Experience, right, and they see it from the outside end, 372 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 1: they say, wow, this place looks different. You know, these 373 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 1: players are having fun on social media. They're loving their coaches, 374 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: they're loving the school, They're proud. 375 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 2: Of their community. 376 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: That's coaching to me, that's the new age, right. You 377 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 1: have to make it student athlete based. As a coach, 378 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: you have to center it around the student athlete experience. 379 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 1: It has to be about them. It has to be 380 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 1: can I give them everything in my power to make 381 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 1: their experience good? Because if not, it's going to go 382 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 1: real south really quickly. 383 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 3: When we return, Dan and I dive into important coaching 384 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 3: skills and balancing his coaching career and family life. Welcome back. 385 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 3: Where we left off. Dan and I were about to 386 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 3: discuss the role of fairness in sports and the importance 387 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 3: of hard work. There's eleven there's eleven starters on offense, 388 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 3: eleven on defense, eleven on special teams. How do you 389 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 3: make the kid? And let's face it, man, there are 390 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 3: kids on every team who know, after a little bit 391 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 3: of time, there's a very very strong likelihood they're never 392 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 3: going to be a starter at the table. I mean 393 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 3: that's just real. For the most part. In high school, 394 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 3: everyone who's in college and athletics, right, No, I don't 395 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 3: care what division you're at, what level you're at. You 396 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 3: were probably one or two or three of the best 397 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 3: players in your high play in your area, you know, 398 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 3: wherever you grew up. But then you go to college 399 00:16:56,880 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 3: and you're like, holy cow. My son Avery is a 400 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 3: Division two wrestler for UNC Pembroke. Right now, he actually 401 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 3: is a true freshman. He he's in the starting lineup, 402 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 3: but which is huge, But he's realizing there's a there's 403 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 3: a difference. It's not he can't do the same thing 404 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 3: in college and get away with it on the wrestling 405 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 3: met that he could in high school. So he's learning 406 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 3: through it. But he's good enough. He's put himself in 407 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 3: a position to be competitive as a true freshman. But 408 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:21,199 Speaker 3: there are plenty of kids on that team who are 409 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:23,919 Speaker 3: true freshmen who can't and may never right. And that's 410 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 3: every program. So how do you as a coach keep 411 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:28,919 Speaker 3: that kid? How do you retain them? And more importantly, 412 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 3: how do you make sure that that kid doesn't become 413 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:33,919 Speaker 3: a problem. How do you make them feel part of 414 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 3: even though they might not be contributing on the field. 415 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:39,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's a great question. I really think 416 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 2: it's messaging. I think half a life and being a 417 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:46,640 Speaker 2: head coach your communication skills. I think that's the most. 418 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 1: Maybe underrated value, communicating correctly. But there's two administration, alumni, 419 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 1: the community the players. Most importantly, having strong communication skills 420 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 1: is huge and being able to talk to them real 421 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:02,440 Speaker 1: and saying here's one of my favorite lines. 422 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:04,920 Speaker 2: I always say, I hate the word fair. 423 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:08,120 Speaker 1: We don't use that word, and fair is a thing 424 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 1: that is not real in college athletics, parents call me still. 425 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 1: You know, I just want to be fair. The kid 426 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:16,879 Speaker 1: wants a fair shot. You know I want fairness. 427 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:20,680 Speaker 2: Farentens does not exist in my program. Okay, opportunity does. 428 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 1: I guarantee the kid that isn't playing the season that 429 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:26,919 Speaker 1: didn't get the fair shot gnet plenty of opportunity to 430 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 1: prove it. 431 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:30,400 Speaker 2: Now more kids get more opportunities. Yeah, one kid might 432 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 2: get one play on kickoff and if he doesn't do 433 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:33,640 Speaker 2: anything with it. 434 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:36,120 Speaker 1: He doesn't make the tackle, if he's run over somebody, 435 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 1: that might. 436 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:39,399 Speaker 2: Have been his only opportunity ever. And that's life, and 437 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 2: that's why sports teach you. 438 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 1: The best parts of life, right, I make it one 439 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 1: opportunity that the interview at Lockehaven. I had one shot 440 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 1: and I seized it. Now, the guys might not have right, 441 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, you have an opportunity. 442 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:55,400 Speaker 2: Whether it's fair or not. Fair doesn't exist in this world. 443 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 1: As an adult, you know that right, you're never gonna get. 444 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: It's never gonna be fair, it's never gonna be balanced. 445 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:02,640 Speaker 1: And you know fair and balance is not a thing 446 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:03,160 Speaker 1: I use. 447 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 2: Like a parent, call me the other day she. 448 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 1: Said, well, I'm worried about his balance of school in football. 449 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 1: Like listen, there's no balance as a student athlete. You 450 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 1: want to be great at something. You want to be elite. 451 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:15,639 Speaker 1: There's no just thing is balance. You do what you 452 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 1: have to do to make sure your life is very controlled. 453 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 1: But I want to be great at football. I want 454 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:23,360 Speaker 1: to be the most elite coach you know in Division two? 455 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 2: How does that happen? But you're in the office, you're 456 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 2: misunderstood a lot. 457 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:31,120 Speaker 1: You miss holidays, you miss birthdays, you know, you miss 458 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 1: time being dad. 459 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:34,640 Speaker 2: You miss a lot of things and people say, well, 460 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:36,680 Speaker 2: you're crazy. I want to be great. 461 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 1: So the balance of life doesn't happen like that. The 462 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 1: fairness doesn't happen. You have to create your own opportunities. 463 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 1: And we live in football. In sports, it's a result business. 464 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 1: You lose by one point, you still lose. 465 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:50,160 Speaker 2: You have to win. 466 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:51,639 Speaker 1: You have to be on the left hand side of 467 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 1: that column every time where you're not a good coach 468 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:56,920 Speaker 1: or you're not a good leader, and obviously there's other 469 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 1: things that go into that. 470 00:19:57,880 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 2: You're impacting lives. 471 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 1: And you're changing, you're helping kids and you're developing them. 472 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, to answer your question, 473 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 1: I mean the worst fair I don't use the word opportunity. 474 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 2: I do, and you either sees it or you don't. 475 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 1: And there's a lot of opportunities I'm sure these kids 476 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:16,439 Speaker 1: have gotten. Whether it's a training camp rep. Did you 477 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:18,680 Speaker 1: take a perfect step? You know, we're you first, We're 478 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 1: you first to breakfast? Were you first to every meeting? 479 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: Do you bring a pen and pencil to every meeting? 480 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 1: Are you trying to be great or you're trying to 481 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:27,159 Speaker 1: be elite or you're trying to be excellent? Are you 482 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 1: trying to be average or you're trying not to care? 483 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:31,680 Speaker 1: And if you let that bring you down as an athlete, 484 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 1: and you're not noticing that. Coaches realize everything, and you're 485 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 1: constantly evaluated. 486 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 2: You're hurting yourself. So I think that's that's really. 487 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 1: My two cents on I'm just obviously seventy percent of 488 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 1: the athletes don't play right, So why. 489 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:46,400 Speaker 2: Don't they play. Let's take it a little deeper. Why 490 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 2: don't they? Is it just talent? Is it just gifts? Sometimes? 491 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 2: But I think most of the time, persistence is key. 492 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 2: If you want something, you got to go get it. 493 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 3: Coach, every time I talk to you, and you know, 494 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:58,640 Speaker 3: we stay in touch, you know, through text and stuff, 495 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 3: and I feel like anytime I want a jolt of 496 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 3: energy and enthusiasm, I got a head up, Coach mulrooney, 497 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 3: and you kind of give me that juice. Like what 498 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 3: do we expect going forward? I mean, what does it 499 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 3: look like now we're going into the off season for you? 500 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 3: What does it look like? You didn't say the word obsessed, 501 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 3: but I've heard that enough from people. I try to 502 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:20,359 Speaker 3: follow people who have had sustained success for long periods 503 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 3: of time in different fields, not just athletics, and infringes 504 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 3: on the borderline of like negative obsession, like it's flirting 505 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:30,159 Speaker 3: this line of like unhealthy obsession. So how do you 506 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 3: balance being a father of young kid's husband, you know, 507 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 3: with all these ambitions and goals and trying to be 508 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 3: the best coach and recruiter and such for Lockhaven. What's 509 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 3: it look like now for you through December and January 510 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 3: and so on. 511 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, first of all, have a great wife that understands 512 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,400 Speaker 1: you're a coach and that you know, it's a blessing 513 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:49,679 Speaker 1: that she married a winner. It's also a curse that 514 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 1: she married a winner at telling all the time. You know, 515 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:56,400 Speaker 1: have a wife to understand your obsession. And the obsession 516 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 1: is a good thing, you know, because it's elevating my 517 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 1: career and elevating everything our families about. 518 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 2: She sacrificed so much. 519 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,879 Speaker 1: I get emotional thinking about it, to be honest, sacrificing 520 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:07,360 Speaker 1: her career and moving away. 521 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 2: From family, and she is the best. She's my rock. 522 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 1: In terms of being a dad, you have to be 523 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 1: very selective and that gets me emotional thinking about that 524 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 1: as well, because you don't want to miss out. 525 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:19,680 Speaker 2: I'm little kids. 526 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 1: I have a three year old and I have a 527 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 1: one and a half year old, and you have kids too, 528 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 1: and there's no better time in life than being with 529 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 1: my kids. Like, I literally have no hobbies. I'm in 530 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:32,680 Speaker 1: the office, working, recruiting, coaching, or I'm with my kids. 531 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 2: And my wife. That's it. 532 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:35,880 Speaker 1: I heard a quote like, if you have a good 533 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 1: golf game, you have to be coaching very long. I 534 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:39,439 Speaker 1: don't have time to sit on a golf course for 535 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:40,679 Speaker 1: eight hours by myself. 536 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 2: And get good at golf. I don't want to do that. 537 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 2: I have no interest. I literally just want to be 538 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:45,920 Speaker 2: with my kids. 539 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 1: And honestly, like I think dad is a much bigger 540 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 1: role than coach in my opinion, and being a head 541 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 1: coach is really cool because I get to create my 542 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 1: own schedule in a way. I'm not obviously a twenty 543 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 1: seven year old or thirty five year old assistant who 544 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 1: has us to travel. 545 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 2: For two seconds and work for someone else. But I 546 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 2: think you have to be selective on what memories you 547 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,639 Speaker 2: want to create, and really, what I've done comes of 548 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 2: being his dad. 549 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 1: I drove my kids to school every morning, and sometimes 550 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 1: it's really hard to do that consistently, but I haven't missed. 551 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 2: I drove my kids to school, I drive my kids 552 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 2: to daycare every single morning. 553 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 1: I take my son to what we call treat Day 554 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 1: on Friday morning. 555 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 2: To a little diner. We have pancakes, we sit there. 556 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,159 Speaker 2: He's the little mayor of that little diner. Hilarious. They 557 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:28,920 Speaker 2: all know him, they'll walk in. We're in a little 558 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 2: small town. But I want to create those memories so 559 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 2: that when they're older. And yeah, I missed a lot of. 560 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 1: Time being dad, But they said, you know what, my 561 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:38,920 Speaker 1: dad drove me to school every single. 562 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:40,680 Speaker 2: Day, no matter how busy he was, and you always 563 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 2: brought me a breakfast every Friday, Like you never forget 564 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,400 Speaker 2: that as a kid. And I just know that that's 565 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 2: important to me. 566 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 1: And obviously it's emotional thinking about that because I love 567 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 1: him so much and I want to miss time. 568 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 2: But like you said, there's no balance. 569 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 1: Like you want to be elite at something, you can 570 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:57,880 Speaker 1: have to sacrifice a lot. 571 00:23:57,920 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 2: You're gonna be misunderstood. 572 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 1: There's gonna be problems creating friendships. 573 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 2: Like you know, people understand my life and if they don't, 574 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:06,880 Speaker 2: then you know they're not going to be in it. 575 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,639 Speaker 1: But you know, you miss holidays, you miss birthdays, you 576 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:10,360 Speaker 1: miss weddings. 577 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,399 Speaker 2: I mean I missed so many weddings. Through the years 578 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 2: from coaching. 579 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, if you want 580 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 1: to keep building upon what you just did, Like, we 581 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,920 Speaker 1: just won five games, the first this school's ever had 582 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 1: in forty one years, the most wins in forty one 583 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:24,440 Speaker 1: years of this college. 584 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 2: And that's amazing. But I'm not a five hundred football coach. 585 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 1: Every single place I've been, whether it's high school, college. 586 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:32,159 Speaker 2: We've won a championship. 587 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 1: I've won seven championships in my life. My resume, all 588 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:37,639 Speaker 1: that stuff, it's all championship driven. 589 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 2: Now. 590 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 1: I think the Bill Parcells quote that's really popular is it's. 591 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 2: Not hard to be mediocre, right, It's not hard. 592 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,440 Speaker 1: To you know, certain places is hard, right, this place 593 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 1: hasn't been done forty one years. 594 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 2: But the difference. 595 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 1: Between seven and nine and eight and eight in the NFL, 596 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 1: Bill Parcells said. 597 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:55,199 Speaker 2: Is not that hard. It's not big of a difference. 598 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 1: But the biggest difference is the ten and six, the 599 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 1: eleven and five. What makes you mediocre to playoffs? There's 600 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,680 Speaker 1: so much growth and so much difference in those teams. 601 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 1: That's my next challenge and I'm so so excited that hopefully. 602 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,639 Speaker 2: Get to that next step. But what's that look like? 603 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:12,399 Speaker 2: Was my plan. How am I going to be different? 604 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 2: How am I going to move different? Right? 605 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 1: What type of steps am I going to make? They're 606 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 1: going to elevate the program? Would I do good? That 607 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 1: want to be great? 608 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:19,640 Speaker 2: At what I do? Bad? 609 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 1: That want to be that I want to really pick up, 610 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 1: you know, whether it's fundraising, alumni relations, you know, all 611 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,919 Speaker 1: these things that go into be a college coach, especially 612 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 1: at a lower level, Like you're the player personnel guy, 613 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 1: you're the GM. 614 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 2: Like you're the recruiter. 615 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 1: Like we have eight guys on staff right, four of 616 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 1: them are full time. Like you better be your self 617 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 1: starter at these programs if you're D three D two, 618 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,679 Speaker 1: Like big misconception that I've always heard when I was 619 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 1: interviewing for the job. 620 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,159 Speaker 2: It's like, you're a D three coach. You know, this 621 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 2: is a new ballgame. Now it's Division two. There's scholarships. 622 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 1: You might not be ready, And I'm like, so if 623 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 1: you give us more resources. 624 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,400 Speaker 2: It's only going to be easier. It was such a. 625 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 1: Misconception that, like the hardest job in the world to 626 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,439 Speaker 1: me is a high school coach that you can't recruit 627 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 1: at right, you could be the best coach in the 628 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,399 Speaker 1: world but if you go to a high school and 629 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 1: you can't recruit at the high school and you have 630 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 1: to play with whoever's in your town, it's hard. 631 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,440 Speaker 2: The next step is Division three because now there's no scholarships. 632 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:15,159 Speaker 1: This parody and no one has scholarships and it's all 633 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 1: just recruiting off what resources you have in. 634 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 2: Terms of facilities. 635 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 1: The biggest misconception is that say, well, you need to 636 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 1: get recruiting experience with scholarships, because that's so hard. 637 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:28,880 Speaker 2: Once you get scholarships, it's harder. Nick it's easier once 638 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 2: you get scholarships. 639 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 1: Now I could make it more affortable for these families, 640 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 1: and we. 641 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:33,200 Speaker 2: Just crushed it. 642 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,679 Speaker 1: We just had fifty five kids last year and we 643 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:39,360 Speaker 1: jump from one win to five wins basically overnight. It's 644 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 1: not harder, it's easier. If you keep getting more resources 645 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 1: and you build a certain way where you're not used 646 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 1: to having anything, and then you're given something, it just 647 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:48,880 Speaker 1: makes it easier. 648 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 2: And I think that's such an important and such an 649 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 2: easy point to think about. 650 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 1: I think the more resources you've given when you haven't 651 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 1: been given something is just so beneficial. 652 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,119 Speaker 3: As we wrap up, Coach, I just a podcast on 653 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 3: the Steve stephen A Smith. Everyone knows who he has 654 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 3: had Tom Brady on, you know, the goat Tom Brady 655 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 3: and and you know, I've just watched it a little 656 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 3: while ago, and I was, you know, I hang on 657 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 3: every word like a guy like Tom Brady, scept guys 658 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 3: like Michael Jordan, Tom Brady, I want to listen to 659 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 3: what these guys, you know, these athletes, these people have 660 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,160 Speaker 3: had sustained success talk about and and Brady talked about 661 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,120 Speaker 3: how you know how challenging it is for for kids 662 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 3: these days is because you know, they're so used instant 663 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 3: gratification there in many ways fishing for clicks and YadA, YadA, YadA. 664 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,920 Speaker 3: But that's not sustainable. You know, it's not sustainable. What 665 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 3: sustainable is is work. I'm gonna ask you, and I 666 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 3: would love for you to elaborate on it. Is is 667 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 3: there a substitute for down in the trenches, straight up 668 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 3: hard work from your experience? Had things changed where you 669 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 3: can shortcut or is it still down in the trenches 670 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,439 Speaker 3: hard work, grind and if you want to be the 671 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,159 Speaker 3: best version of yourself, I think that's always. 672 00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 2: Been my secret to success. 673 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:05,160 Speaker 1: Anybody that's elite or great, you know the secret sauce. 674 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,439 Speaker 1: This is why I tell my staff the secret sauce 675 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 1: about lockap. 676 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:09,959 Speaker 2: And football that I want no one else to know. 677 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 2: It's how hard we work. To outwork everyone is a 678 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,120 Speaker 2: sign in my office. I can text it to you after. 679 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 2: This does not work everyone. 680 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 1: And it's one of those things that growing up, my 681 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 1: favorite word I like to use. When I was in 682 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,679 Speaker 1: high school, nick, I love when people say I was lucky. 683 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 1: I'm lucky, lucky that you're born that fast. I'm lucky 684 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,880 Speaker 1: that you're a genetic freak, and that your parents were 685 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 1: this and that and the third. 686 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,640 Speaker 2: I wasn't lucky. I outworked everybody. And you can ask 687 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 2: any of my high school coaches or anybody. 688 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 1: I woke up at six in the morning, went to 689 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 1: the YMCA before school. Every single day at the y Waterbury, 690 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 1: I worked out two hours a day before school, then 691 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: did it again after school. I pushed my dad's van 692 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 1: up a hill three times a week. I backpedaled up 693 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 1: that hill. I want no one to know how hard 694 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 1: I worked, and I wanted for people to think I 695 00:28:57,920 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 1: was lucky. That's the same mentality I have. 696 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 2: What I do. I want everyone to. 697 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 1: Think I'm just out there getting lucky and recruiting good 698 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 1: kids and blah blah blah. 699 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 2: But what they don't know, and what they. 700 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 1: Don't realize, is I'm up till two in the morning 701 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 1: staying connected with them. These kids will answer a FaceTime 702 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 1: at eleven PM these days and they'll answer, you can 703 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,480 Speaker 1: recruit up until up until midnight. 704 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:20,720 Speaker 2: You can work as hard as you want to work. 705 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 1: And when you work hard, I always tell the staff this, 706 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 1: don't complain about. 707 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 2: The results with the work you didn't do. 708 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 1: That's literally my motto on life, like, don't complain about 709 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 1: the results with the work that you didn't do. If 710 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 1: you did the work, and you can look yourself in 711 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 1: the mirror and say I did everything in my power 712 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 1: to get this place better, I could live myself. 713 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 2: But if I didn't do the work and I was lazy, I. 714 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 1: Took shortcuts, and I wasn't very selective for my time, 715 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 1: and I didn't do the right things, that's on you, man. 716 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 1: And I tell my student athletes the same thing, and 717 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 1: I can't look at them and they can't look at 718 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 1: me without knowing that works harder than everyone in this building. 719 00:29:57,880 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 1: To the head coach, you better work harder, you better 720 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 1: set the time every single day. You walk in with 721 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 1: a certain swag to yourself that you're gonna set the 722 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 1: tempo on that work ethic every single day and you 723 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 1: better not fold. And as a leader, as a communicator, 724 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 1: as a coach, they look at that and they look 725 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 1: at everything. So yes, I do believe, at least to 726 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 1: my core, that work is the ultimate key there everything. 727 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 3: Dan freaking mulrooney coach. Where can people connect with you 728 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 3: on all your social platforms or handles all that stuff? 729 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 2: Please? Yeah? 730 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 1: I mean Twitter is probably my biggest one. That's because 731 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 1: college football recruiting is all over there. I'm coach Underscore 732 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 1: mul coach mole obviously on Instagram, Dan Underscore mulrooney. And 733 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 1: that's about it for me for the social media basically 734 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 1: on Instagram, Facebook. 735 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 2: And Twitter obviously, I'm very active on those. 736 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 1: I do respond, you know, if you DM me or 737 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 1: send me a message, I'll definitely get back to you. 738 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 2: Obviously if you want to chop it up, learn. 739 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 1: More about me or learn more about my vision. I'm 740 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 1: always willing to help coaches, you know. Obviously speak at 741 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 1: the convention on every year down in Nashville. 742 00:30:58,800 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 2: This year, I'm. 743 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 1: Excited about that and obviously always always around to help you. 744 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 3: Dan mulrooney, lock Haven University. I love it. I can't 745 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 3: wait to see you guys bust out win that championship 746 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 3: like you have been everywhere you've been. Man. So I 747 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 3: can't thank enough, bro, and let's keep in touch. We'll 748 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 3: rock this back again after you win that title next year. 749 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 2: Thank thanks, It's been a blast. Honestly honored to be 750 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 2: on this podcast again. I'm the first two time, two time. 751 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 1: First of I mean, you have some amazing guests and 752 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 1: this is a great and you have a great platform. 753 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 1: I'm just like I said, I'm just honored to be 754 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 1: here and obviously have a good Christmas and all that stuff. 755 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 3: All right, brother, I appreciate the same to you. That's 756 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 3: Dan mulrooney at football coach at lock Haven University. Thanks 757 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 3: for listening to the Reform Sports Podcast. If you've enjoyed 758 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 3: this episode, we would appreciate it if you took a 759 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 3: moment to rate and review our podcast. 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