1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:04,840 Speaker 1: Call It What It Is with Jessica Capshaw and Camille Luddington, 2 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: an iHeartRadio podcast. Well, Hello, Hello, Hello, Hello Call It crew, 3 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:25,079 Speaker 1: and welcome to another episode of Call It What It Is? 4 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 2: Just a Capshaw well Luddington. Do you receive a phone 5 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:33,199 Speaker 2: call out of nowhere, text out of nowhere saying can 6 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 2: I start to you for a second recently, just randomly? 7 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:36,480 Speaker 1: Yeah? 8 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:38,919 Speaker 2: And do they have something in common when you call 9 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:41,879 Speaker 2: that person back, text that person back and they experience 10 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 2: what their question and query is? Yes, yes, and what 11 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 2: would that be? Let's see if it's the same as mine. 12 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 1: It was about a little no, We're not so little 13 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: documentary that came out. 14 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 2: I was gonna say, a little documentary a very big liar. 15 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:05,959 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, And it got us on this in big, 16 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:10,480 Speaker 1: huge conversation about people who appear to be one way 17 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: end up really and end up really being another way, 18 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:16,680 Speaker 1: and how shocking that can be and how much it 19 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: can throw you like yeah. 20 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, well listen, I remember when I heard this documentary 21 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:28,680 Speaker 2: was being made. But that actually came after finding out 22 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 2: that someone that was in my daily life at Grace 23 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 2: had completely lied about her entire identity, who she was. 24 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 2: Things that had happened to her, but like a whole 25 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 2: other person, whole nother, whole nother, And you know that 26 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 2: says something about me as shocked as I was for 27 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 2: some reason when people lie to great lengths, I'm not 28 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 2: as shocked as everyone else. What's that say? People have 29 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 2: lied to be in my life? 30 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: Okay, so now I have a question for you. Have 31 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 1: you had experience before in your life where someone has 32 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 1: consistently lied or told such a whopper that you're like 33 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 1: kind of blown away. 34 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:12,239 Speaker 2: Because maybe you've had. 35 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: Experience in some way with that or maybe not. 36 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:18,519 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've had people lie. I mean, like again early days. 37 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 2: We've touched on this about dating, right. It just you know, 38 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:27,079 Speaker 2: because lying is you know, ends up being pretty cozy 39 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 2: and feels like a nice little roommate for cheating. 40 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, that's such a funny way to put it. Yes, yes, 41 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 1: I do feel like unfortunately that is a somewhat common 42 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 1: way of line. Right, but have you ever had someone 43 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:45,919 Speaker 1: where you're like, wow, they're not even like where they 44 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: went to school, where they like almost like a dateline episode, like. 45 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 2: An identity Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, no, never that deep. 46 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting because the call It crew by the way, 47 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: seem to have had this experience, which we'll get into. 48 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 2: I cannot wait to get to these Well, let me 49 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 2: expose myself for a second. Maybe this might be why 50 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 2: lying is always sort of like hmm. When I was younger, 51 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 2: like a little younger, like I don't know from what 52 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 2: I can remember, so probably like five until probably nine 53 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:19,279 Speaker 2: or ten, I'd think I had a very big imagination 54 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:24,799 Speaker 2: and I would fly back and forth because my mother 55 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 2: lived in Los Angeles and my father lived in New York, 56 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 2: and I would have to go by myself, like and 57 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 2: I was called a company minor, and I would go 58 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 2: and so I would just like be sat next to 59 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 2: a stranger, and my imagination would get the best of me, 60 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 2: and I would tell them stories about who I was. 61 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 2: We're not real, I mean, lie li. I mean again, 62 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 2: I'm making it seem nice because I was a kid 63 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 2: and I was telling a story, but I was lying 64 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 2: as fact. One time I told my cozy little neighbor 65 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 2: who you know, they always are nice to the kid, 66 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 2: And you know, you can imagine me just sitting there 67 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 2: all by myself with my two little pig tails. I 68 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 2: told someone, which is so silly, because my mother is 69 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 2: an actress, was an actress. I told someone that I 70 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 2: was Meryl Streep's daughter and I was flying back to her. 71 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 2: I'd been on location and I don't know what I 72 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 2: was done. No, yeah, it's a full lie. Like again, 73 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 2: so when you say identity like I have lied, I 74 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 2: have memory of being a child who lied. Now this 75 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 2: story ends in wait. 76 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: Have you ever ran into Meryll and told her that 77 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 1: this is you were her long lost daughter? 78 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:28,160 Speaker 2: Oh? You heard it here first. This is the first 79 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:30,600 Speaker 2: time that I've admitted to this lie. If we're going 80 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:34,280 Speaker 2: to be really, really clear, because guess what, no one 81 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 2: really cares. No one's really like put my feet to 82 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:38,159 Speaker 2: the fire and said, did you ever say that you 83 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:41,559 Speaker 2: were Meryl Streeps talker, to which I said, okay, fine, 84 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 2: I did. No, I did. I lied big. I lied 85 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 2: a lot, and I wasn't just on airplanes. My mom 86 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 2: always said that I had a lying face, like my 87 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 2: eyes kind of look like they're going to pop out 88 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:53,919 Speaker 2: of my face and pop out of my head, and 89 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 2: like nothing moves on my face, like nothing, none of 90 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:59,359 Speaker 2: my facial features move. And when she asks me, like, 91 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 2: you know, hey, Jay, like did you did you heard 92 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 2: some of the hawkinized chocolate ice cream last night, and 93 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 2: I'd be like, no, yes I did, for sure I did. 94 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: So you have your you give it all away in 95 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: your face. 96 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:14,919 Speaker 2: So completely bad liar is what I am? Very bad liar. 97 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 2: I mean it would be nice to find that person 98 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 2: who sat next to me and see if they believed 99 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 2: I was MARYL. Streep's daughter. That's really funny. Yeah, I mean, 100 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 2: I don't know. 101 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: If you sat next to a little blonde check and 102 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 1: you're like you ever heard this story? Contact us? I 103 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: am also not a great liar either. I get very sweaty. 104 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 1: It makes me very uncomfortable that I'm very bad. I 105 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 1: just it makes me not feel good. 106 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 2: I think. 107 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: What's scary in this sparked conversation this week? It is 108 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:48,480 Speaker 1: scary when someone can lie so easily, so confidently, Yeah, 109 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: that you really cannot tell. And there's a whole Macavelian element. 110 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 2: I was gonna say, yeah, because there's a harm element, 111 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 2: like an intention to do harm. 112 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's and there is no part of them that 113 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:06,160 Speaker 1: feels sorry right there. 114 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 2: Yes, they are completely unrepentant. Well what I was gonna 115 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 2: say that? Buttons up? What my big lying phase and 116 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 2: the reason why I don't anymore as of what ten 117 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:18,919 Speaker 2: is that I remember, And it must have been traumatic 118 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:20,720 Speaker 2: becase I don't remember what it was. But I got 119 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:24,920 Speaker 2: caught in a lie and on the flight, No, not 120 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:28,720 Speaker 2: on the fly, not on that king when I when 121 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 2: I got picked up, It wasn't maryl. Street. No, I 122 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 2: got caught in some lie when I was younger. That 123 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 2: felt so bad and created such deep shame inside of me, 124 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 2: like I was so ashamed to be who I was 125 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 2: and have said what I said and all the thing 126 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 2: that I truly were, like nine year old, ten year 127 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:50,479 Speaker 2: old Jessica making a true promise to myself that I 128 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:54,600 Speaker 2: would never lie again in my whole entire life, and 129 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 2: that like to to my own like detriment, I would 130 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 2: tell the truth. I don't know how long that lasted, right, 131 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:03,720 Speaker 2: Like we all tell white lives right now, right, I mean, yeah, 132 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:05,600 Speaker 2: and I think it's slightly calm white lives. I think 133 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 2: we tell. We we say things that might not be 134 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 2: complete truths, you know, to make massage certain situations or not, 135 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 2: you know, say things that would be unkind right, But yeah, 136 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 2: I just I thought it was interesting that I that 137 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 2: in my development I went so far one way and 138 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 2: I realized what the repercussions of lying were at such 139 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 2: an early age that I decided like that was not 140 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 2: for me and I was not going to feel that 141 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 2: kind of shame again. And I'm guessing that people who 142 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 2: lie about their identities and do these really horrible things, 143 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 2: like the woman that's starring in that documentary, I'm guessing 144 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 2: that they do not feel remorse or shame about lying. 145 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: No, And that's where it gets very creepy if I'm 146 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 1: being honest. 147 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 2: And like moves into mental health issues. 148 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm assuming. I mean, I don't you know, Like it's. 149 00:07:57,960 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 2: Hard because you do. 150 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: You watch these documentaries, right like, you watch these documentaries 151 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: on Dateline, and you're and you're always I'm like this, 152 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: I'm like I would have known, right like I would 153 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 1: know that person's lying. And then you have an experience 154 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: where it basically feels like you're in a Dateline documentary 155 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: and you realize like, I did not know. I truly 156 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: did not know. And I think that that kind of 157 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 1: throws you for a loop because then you feel like 158 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: your own instinct on stuff is way off, and so 159 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 1: it makes you question your This is what I don't 160 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:36,439 Speaker 1: like about it. It makes you start questioning yourself. Yeah, 161 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: like you're not just questioning that person now, it's like 162 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 1: why did I see that? How did I believe that? 163 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: And I don't like this self doubt. And then, by 164 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:48,319 Speaker 1: the way, it can affect other areas of your life, 165 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 1: where now you're meeting somebody and they say something that 166 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 1: sounds maybe outlandish about themselves or even not. 167 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 2: So when you're like, is that true? 168 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I've experienced someone that has lied about the 169 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 1: most wild, crazy things. 170 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. I have to say with Finchy, who's the writer 171 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 2: who was in question in the documentary, it never it 172 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 2: never occurred to me to not believe her. I mean 173 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 2: there was never a moment where I was thinking, like, 174 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 2: the things that she lied about, you could never in 175 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:28,079 Speaker 2: a million years imagine questioning, Yeah, this is somebody that 176 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 2: lied to us. 177 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:31,719 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if you guys have ever 178 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: had this experience about many things, but about cancer, right, 179 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 1: So that's something that you don't ever imagine someone could 180 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 1: ever lie about. 181 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 2: And then offered up specific information about or experience with 182 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 2: it what it felt like. 183 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 1: But now I'm interested because you said that you were 184 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: not surprised, you were surprised of course, but it wasn't 185 00:09:57,320 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: like a gobsmack like I was like, you. 186 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 2: Know, yeah, it's so hard to explain. Of course, I 187 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 2: was surprised that someone that she of course I was 188 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 2: surprised that she wasn't who she really said she was, 189 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 2: and she was not reporting any experiences that were actually hers. 190 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 2: But I wasn't surprised that someone could do that, and 191 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:24,199 Speaker 2: I sort of just felt like, oh, well, like she 192 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 2: was really good at that because I believed her. But again, 193 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 2: I was not sitting in the seat of the woman 194 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 2: who she married and represented a completely different life too. 195 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 1: That's a whole difference that feels like a movie. That 196 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 1: feels like a movie for sure. I will say this 197 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: because I have been asked to comment on this documentary. 198 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 1: Very strange experience seeing yourself in that kind of way, 199 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 1: and I don't personally don't want to talk about my 200 00:10:56,040 --> 00:11:01,080 Speaker 1: experience on set with this person. It's hard for me 201 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: to even, you know, with this person. But I will 202 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 1: say that what happened. I will say one little piece 203 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: of information that nobody knows, it's not in the documentary, 204 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 1: and I will share it here on the podcast. What 205 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: I really hate again about this is it makes you 206 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 1: go back and sort of question all the different things. 207 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:22,319 Speaker 1: And this person. I remember going to Hawaii for the 208 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 1: first time, and. 209 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 2: I was so excited that I. 210 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 1: Could afford going to Hawaii. I was never able to 211 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 1: afford something so tropical and glamorous. And I told everybody 212 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 1: that I was going to Kawaii and I was really excited. 213 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: And I was going with my boyfriend who's now my husband, obviously. 214 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 3: And. 215 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 1: I think it was about three days into that trip 216 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:56,079 Speaker 1: and FINCHI Finch was sat at the bar in the hotel. 217 00:11:56,480 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 2: What, yes, not the airport bar, the the hotel where 218 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 2: you were a. 219 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 1: Hotel where I was in Kawai, sat in the bar 220 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:07,439 Speaker 1: three days into my trip. 221 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 2: What are you talking about? Yeah, she was with. 222 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 1: Somebody else, and I just remember thinking it was the 223 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:19,559 Speaker 1: most random coincidence. 224 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:21,679 Speaker 2: Had you told her what hotel you were going to? 225 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 1: I had probably told It's funny because then you start 226 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 1: to do this while you start to think back about 227 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: like who did I tell? You know, I had told 228 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: so many people where I was going. I'm sure I 229 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 1: would have told her. And is there a world in 230 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 1: which like she was just happened to be on vacation 231 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 1: at the same time as me at that hotel in Kawaii. Sure, 232 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 1: there's definitely a world where that happens. People run into 233 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 1: each other like it's crazy. I don't know, but I 234 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 1: don't like the now questioning of whether, like you know 235 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 1: that going back and sort of reevaluating all those things. 236 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:58,560 Speaker 2: Did she check in as Joe Wilson. It's not even funny. 237 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 1: God, I won't talk about set. I don't, it doesn't 238 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 1: make me feel comfortable, but I will share that that 239 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 1: story that happened in my personal life with her. 240 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, well I saw her all the time on set, 241 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 2: but again I completely believed everything she said. There was 242 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 2: never a moment of suspicion. I never thought that's funny 243 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 2: that she said that like that, nothing nothing, nothing. And 244 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:27,440 Speaker 2: when I left, I remember having a really she came 245 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 2: and found me and we ended up having a really 246 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 2: really long conversation outside my trailer because she was so 247 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 2: sad that I was leaving and wanted to talk about it. 248 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 2: And maybe she wasn't sad at all. Kamilla, Well, this is. 249 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: What I'm saying that we do. I mean, this is 250 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:46,959 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, like what is true and what's not true? 251 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 1: And I don't like I don't like having felt like 252 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 1: someone was like that was in our orbit no, and 253 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 1: not feeling like I sensed any of that the truth myself. 254 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: It just is uncomfortable, and you know, none of it 255 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 1: feels good. 256 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 2: I totally respect that you don't want to talk about 257 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 2: the bits on set. It's funny to me when people 258 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:14,079 Speaker 2: behave like that, when people show themselves to be liars, 259 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 2: I have a funny little like normally, I think I 260 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 2: think we've seen on the podcast or heard on the 261 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 2: podcast that I kind of I like to find the 262 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 2: sunny side of the street. I like to get a 263 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 2: little optimistic. I like to find the joy. I'm a 264 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 2: little cutthroat when it comes to this shit. When you lie, 265 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 2: yeah about who you are, when you do things to 266 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 2: hurt people with your words, I'm a little like done 267 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 2: with you and listen. I do I believe in forgiveness. 268 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 2: That's a very personal thing and that's in you know, 269 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 2: relationships specific. But I mean, I do think when a 270 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 2: documentary like this comes out and obviously she's so exposed, 271 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 2: I'm a little like, would you I think that's gonna happen? 272 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 2: I don't. I do not like. 273 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 1: Us all getting caught up in it though. 274 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 2: One else, but no one did anything wrong only no, 275 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 2: of course not. 276 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: I know, I just don't. It just it sucks to 277 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: be part of the story. It's uncomfortable to be part 278 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: of the story. 279 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 3: Yeah. 280 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 1: Well, anyway, let's get to the call It crew, because 281 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 1: we did you and I we made videos. 282 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 2: Let's leave that bad liar behind and let's get into something. 283 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 1: Let's move on to some others. I don't know how juice. 284 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 2: They are just outright terrible. 285 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 1: I know, so Unfortunately this is sort of weirdly somewhat 286 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 1: common because we got so much feedback. 287 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 2: We did really quickly too. 288 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I just want to before we get into it, 289 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 1: I do want to talk about some statistics around Lyne 290 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 1: which I found kind of interesting. So, uh, why do 291 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 1: people lie lies? This is from the University of Wisconsin. 292 00:15:55,760 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 1: They examined almost a little over six one hundred participants 293 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 1: over three months, and this is what they found. People 294 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: lie for a variety of reasons, and we can go 295 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 1: through this together. The first is twenty one percent lie 296 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 1: to avoid others. 297 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 2: Then twenty percent as a humor. I don't like that 298 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 2: kind of humor. By the way, I don't like that either. 299 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 2: I can that's not Nope, but I don't like jokes 300 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 2: and pranks. How about that. 301 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 1: Fourteen percent to protect oneself. 302 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 2: I get it. Thirteen percent to impress or appear more favorable, 303 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 2: I get it, but also never works. 304 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 1: No, it doesn't work yet. Eleven percent to protect another 305 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: person okay. 306 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 2: That yeah, nine percent for personal benefit or gain that 307 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 2: gives me. 308 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 1: He Begbi's five percent for the benefit of another person okay. 309 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 2: Two percent to hurt another person just two percent. I mean, 310 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 2: I'm glad. It seems like a small number. But also 311 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 2: and then five percent friends specified reasons or explicitly for 312 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 2: no reason at all, which would maybe be the mental 313 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 2: health bucket, right, like when you're lying or you're me 314 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 2: not an adulta flight, Yeah, across the country, nine year 315 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 2: old me, just lying. 316 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 1: Okay, So let's get into some of the submissions that 317 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 1: we got. I'm going to read the first one ready. 318 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: So anonymous wrote us and they said, so, my dad 319 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 1: is a big liar. This may be a pretty common story, 320 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 1: but maybe not. When I was nineteen, we found out 321 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 1: that my dad had a whole secret life outside of 322 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:32,879 Speaker 1: our family. To us, he was a quiet, shy, gentle soul, 323 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 1: raising us as reformed Christians married to my mom for 324 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 1: twenty plus years. Very upright guy, But in reality, he 325 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:45,159 Speaker 1: had multiple girlfriends in other cities and even in other countries, 326 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 1: one of which he would fly in from Europe. He 327 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 1: was also a secret alcoholic and drug addict. We knew 328 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:54,640 Speaker 1: nothing about it and thought he was working and we 329 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 1: were just really poor. 330 00:17:56,520 --> 00:18:00,639 Speaker 2: Oh that's the gut punch is a crazy crazy for 331 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:02,879 Speaker 2: being like, okay, all right, I mean I've seen that 332 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 2: in like a TV show before, right, Like he's got 333 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 2: girlfriends everywhere blue bly flying in from Europe sounds pretty extravagant, right, all. 334 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 1: Awful, But like they that there was a financial cost 335 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 1: to their family. 336 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 2: That they did not have money because their father was 337 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 2: a liar and a cheat. 338 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:22,439 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously this is disgusting. I hate that he 339 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:25,719 Speaker 1: was with his mom. He was with their mom for 340 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 1: twenty plus years, and. 341 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, as a reformed Christian, I don't like that either. 342 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 1: Because it feels like the mask, right, yeah, Like, not 343 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 1: only am I gonna lie, I'm going to create this 344 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 1: whole other persona to cover for the lie. This is 345 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 1: where it gets so creepy to me. Okay, God, are Selphie? 346 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 2: This is terrible. Sophie wrote in and said, when I 347 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:50,399 Speaker 2: was twelve, a friend that my best friend introduced our 348 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 2: group two told us she is cancer. I cried that 349 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 2: evening thinking about it as I had a granddad who 350 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:56,120 Speaker 2: had had cancer and had seen what it had done 351 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:57,959 Speaker 2: to him. I was really worried about all she had 352 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 2: said and done, and eventually told my mom, who decided 353 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 2: to pick up the phone and call the school asking 354 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:04,199 Speaker 2: about all these stories that this new friend had been 355 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 2: telling us. It turns out she was lying about having 356 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 2: cancer the whole time. She also lied about her little 357 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:13,439 Speaker 2: sister passing away, which to this day shocks me. I 358 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:16,119 Speaker 2: can't believe someone could be like this at such a 359 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 2: young age. 360 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:23,879 Speaker 1: Wow, this makes me nauseous. I don't know how. And 361 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:26,880 Speaker 1: again we've had this experience, but I don't know how. 362 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 1: Somebody lies about someone else and it feels like the 363 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 1: early signs of a sociopath. I hate to say it, 364 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 1: I'm not diagnosing anybody, but like, it feels like that's 365 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 1: just dark. 366 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 2: Well I think it's because it's the nature of her lie, right, 367 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 2: Because again, like you can lie, you can make up stories. 368 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 2: It's the nature of the lie. It's the nature of 369 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:54,640 Speaker 2: the lie being I had cancer and now I get 370 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 2: all this attention and you feel terrible for me and 371 00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 2: also my sister. My little sister died and you're gonna 372 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,119 Speaker 2: give me all this attention, and that's so it's just really, 373 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 2: I mean, clearly this friend needs some help. I hope 374 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:08,160 Speaker 2: they got it. 375 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:12,920 Speaker 1: And again, I feel like when the lies are that dark, right, 376 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 1: it's it's if you don't have that sort of like 377 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:21,160 Speaker 1: I don't even know how to describe it, that if 378 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 1: you are not this kind of person that could tell 379 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:28,160 Speaker 1: these lies, it's so jarring. Yeah, and feel so sick. 380 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know, I don't know how 381 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 1: else to describe it. Yeah, Okay, Rachel, I had a 382 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:50,239 Speaker 1: best friend for three years when I was in my 383 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 1: last years of high school. When we first became friends, 384 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:55,919 Speaker 1: he confided to me that he was gay, and we 385 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 1: would go everywhere together. I feel like, I know where 386 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 1: this is going. It's a movie, right, It's like this 387 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:05,919 Speaker 1: is a but it could be a horror or movie slash. 388 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:06,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. 389 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 1: We'd go on trips together and share beds. I get 390 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:12,880 Speaker 1: dressed in front of him because he was my gay bestie. 391 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 1: Except he wasn't gay. 392 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:18,160 Speaker 2: Gay, He wasn't gay. 393 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 1: He told me he was because he wanted to get 394 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 1: close to me as he was in love with me. 395 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 3: No. 396 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 2: Gross, Okay, so that's not funny anymore. 397 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: He let this slip to a high school teacher who 398 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:31,439 Speaker 1: took me aside to let me know as she was 399 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: concerned about the situation. All this time, I'd slept in 400 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:36,920 Speaker 1: the same bed with him and got changed in front 401 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:38,680 Speaker 1: of him, thinking he was gay. 402 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 2: Ah no, this is a horror movie. No, I know. 403 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,159 Speaker 2: I feel terrible that I just went I went at 404 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 2: it with levity. I saw like a rom com, or 405 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 2: like the guy was actually sweet, nice and adam brody ish. 406 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 1: Yes, because there has been some there's probably been some 407 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 1: rom coms back in the two thousands where it's like, 408 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 1: you know, nice Bogue Q and you're like, oh my god, 409 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 1: this is a door. But that's a movie, and this 410 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:05,119 Speaker 1: is life and this is actually, I mean to be honest, 411 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,399 Speaker 1: this is this is almost about consent a little bit, 412 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,879 Speaker 1: because she's not. She's consenting to her gay best friend 413 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,199 Speaker 1: being in bed with her, getting dressed in front of 414 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 1: undressed in front of him, and he's not. And not 415 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:19,120 Speaker 1: only is he not gay. It's not that he's not gay. 416 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:20,400 Speaker 1: He's not gay, and he's. 417 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:23,400 Speaker 2: Also in love with her. So this is like but 418 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,400 Speaker 2: by the way, bad approach, Like this is your way in. 419 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,679 Speaker 1: Nobody is okay, talk about an AI wedding speech. You 420 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 1: need to AI this wedding speech because you cannot tell 421 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:34,919 Speaker 1: the truth of how if these two ended up together. 422 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 1: I'd be like, this is under lock and key. Nobody 423 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 1: is gonna find this is funny at the wedding. 424 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:41,479 Speaker 2: But also, did he have no other friends like his? 425 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 2: Was his entire identity in high school as a young 426 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 2: gay man or was he like just holding on to 427 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 2: this identity when he. 428 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,719 Speaker 1: Was with her. I do find it interesting that a 429 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 1: high school teacher is the one who took her aside 430 00:22:56,040 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 1: and revealed his sexual orientation to her. Yeah, that's really 431 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 1: interesting to me because I'm glad she did. It does 432 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 1: feel predatory that I just yeah, he asked, would have 433 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:09,880 Speaker 1: told her? I mean, I'm assuming he's telling everybody. It's 434 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: not just her that he's telling is gay, that he's gay. 435 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 1: He's telling everybody. Oh, I don't like it. I'm sorry, Rachel, 436 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 1: I'm getting the hebgb's this whole podcast, Okay, Cecilia. 437 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 2: I got pregnant nineteen years old. Halfway through my pregnancy, 438 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:25,399 Speaker 2: my mom called me and told me she needed me 439 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 2: to meet someone. My mom has always been a bit sketchy, shady. 440 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:30,359 Speaker 2: I don't know a better way to explain it, but 441 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 2: she is my mom, so I always gave her a pass. Well. 442 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 2: I met up with her at a coffee shop, like requested, 443 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 2: and there was this random man sitting there with her. 444 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 2: I sit down and she goes, what I cheated on 445 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 2: your dad nineteen years ago. The dad who raised you 446 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 2: is not your dad. This man is. He has cancer 447 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 2: and has less than a year to live, so I 448 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 2: wanted to give you the opportunity to meet him. So 449 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 2: she lied to me in my entire life. Also cheated 450 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,120 Speaker 2: and let my dad, who wasn't really my dad, think 451 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:00,880 Speaker 2: I was his kid the entire time, and also lied 452 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:02,959 Speaker 2: to this man about having his kid. She was so 453 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 2: nonchalant about it too. Never apologize what never apologized either. 454 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,120 Speaker 2: I'm now fifty four years old and I often think 455 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 2: how different my life would have been. How a sociopath 456 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:14,679 Speaker 2: not raised me. 457 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: This is horrendous. I'm speechless at this one. This is 458 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 1: this is insane, this is its own documentary. 459 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. On a scale of one to ten, 460 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:29,439 Speaker 2: this is this is a tenor. 461 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,199 Speaker 1: And also, how do you even if the lie is 462 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,880 Speaker 1: that big? How do you know that this is now 463 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 1: the truth? That's what's so scary about these people, right, 464 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,680 Speaker 1: what's so scary is it's like, even if they apologize 465 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 1: and said all the right things, if you let them 466 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 1: back into your life ever in any form, is this 467 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 1: now the truth? Or are they I just want to know, like, 468 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 1: do these people live forever? Is their recovery in this 469 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,119 Speaker 1: situation like this? I don't know. We need a mental 470 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:04,880 Speaker 1: health professional on here to tell us because I would 471 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,919 Speaker 1: cut I wouldn't be able to talk to this mom ever. Again, 472 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,679 Speaker 1: what's true? What's not? If you can lie that big 473 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 1: and you're casual about it? 474 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's But I think it's also it's 475 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 2: got to be somewhere in your mind you it's the 476 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 2: no remorse, It's the no it's the no empathy. It's 477 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 2: it's not having the feelings receptors that let you know 478 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 2: that this is so hurtful, that this would hurt your child, 479 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,919 Speaker 2: that she didn't know who her dad was, and that 480 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:35,639 Speaker 2: she does a dad it's not really her dad, and 481 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,879 Speaker 2: now you're just casually bringing this guy to a diner 482 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,919 Speaker 2: when you're half pregnant, and it's just all bad. 483 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 1: I can't imagine. I find it hard to even like, 484 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,639 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't really small lie about anything to 485 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,200 Speaker 1: my kids, but I find it. I mean sometimes I do, 486 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 1: Like I have one word for you, what Santa? Okay, 487 00:25:55,240 --> 00:26:01,879 Speaker 1: if Santa was not real, which he is everybody he 488 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:06,679 Speaker 1: definitely is, I would even dread the day that I 489 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 1: had to reveal that he wasn't real, which he is. 490 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. 491 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, So for someone to do this, it's it's just 492 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:17,199 Speaker 1: so I can't It's again, these are things that you 493 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 1: can't comprehend. They don't make sense, they don't compute like 494 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 1: you can't. 495 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:27,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, the tooth fairy. Yeahby well, can you stop? Should think? 496 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 2: Because I was thinking about whether or not I lie 497 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:34,400 Speaker 2: to my kids, and I was thinking, hey, I think 498 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,679 Speaker 2: that sometimes. I mean, you never said something was closed 499 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 2: when it wasn't. 500 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, I don't know if I feel real 501 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:50,919 Speaker 3: guilty about buyout, no honey, no sclowse Ron, I just 502 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 3: go on my merry way. 503 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 2: I'm definitely there's a lot of things that are close 504 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:01,159 Speaker 2: truth about some things. Actually I can't. 505 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 1: No, you're bringing up no, I like two with my 506 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 1: kids for sure, No, for sure, for sure, there is 507 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 1: they've run out of Rocky Road. 508 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:14,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, completely out of that definitely, definitely, yeah, oh for sure. 509 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 2: And once they start getting a little bit older, I 510 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 2: a real sticky one I have found because I consider 511 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 2: myself someone who has, you know, real conversations with my kids. 512 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 2: And they're going to start asking you about things like 513 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 2: when did you first have sex? 514 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,879 Speaker 4: And when did you have did you ever do drinks? 515 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 4: And when did you have your first drink? And you're 516 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,440 Speaker 4: forty five? Yeah, twenty five was the answer to all those. 517 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 4: And I've never touched weed. 518 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,119 Speaker 2: That's what you're gonna say. 519 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,200 Speaker 1: It's really I gotta tell you it's no, that's that's 520 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 1: not fun. That's not fun. You know what's really funny. 521 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 1: I mean, this is like comp kind of off topic. 522 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 1: But when I was little, this is a white lie. 523 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 1: My mom told me I always wanted and we just 524 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: couldn't afford them, the power wheels cars. And my mom 525 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,879 Speaker 1: told me that, and I wanted that. I was like, 526 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 1: we can't afford it, but Santa can make anything. And 527 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 1: she would always tell me, Kamla, it's going to take 528 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,399 Speaker 1: up a lot of room on the sleigh. Yeah, he 529 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 1: was some kids losing out on their toys to make 530 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 1: way for your Barbie power wheels. Go ahead and write it, 531 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,160 Speaker 1: And of course I was like, oh my god, no, 532 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:36,440 Speaker 1: I can't do that, and so. 533 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 2: Little the lot. Yeah, I mean yeah, I think that 534 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 2: we lie to our kids more than we think we do. 535 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I said, I did say on here just 536 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 1: now that I don't tellw many little lies, and I 537 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 1: realized i'd tell many of them. 538 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, any big ones, Okay, I'm sorry. My last thing 539 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 2: about the kids, No, I have noticed, since they spanned 540 00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 2: from eight to seventeen, I have noticed that there's I 541 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 2: have to like when they ask me a question that 542 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 2: I am not going to give them the honest answer to. 543 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 2: I have to quickly calibrate how old they are and 544 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 2: if they will be able to fact check. That is important. Yeah, 545 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 2: because I'm not going to get caught. 546 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 1: No, but do your kids know your caught face? Because 547 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 1: your mom knows it? 548 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 4: I know. 549 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 2: Well maybe since maybe from all these years of acting, 550 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 2: I've gotten it better. 551 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 3: No, I don't. 552 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 2: I'm a badler. I am, actually I. 553 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 1: Think I know I think I am too. Okay, Gabby 554 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 1: is really excited for this topic. She wrote, I hope 555 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 1: everyone as well, and I'm so excited for this topic. 556 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 1: I have this friend who lies about everything for attention. 557 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 1: Some examples are that she lies about getting injured and 558 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 1: it doesn't correlate with a timeline. She gives, lies about 559 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 1: sleeping with people, lies about moving, just stuff like that. 560 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 1: One time she lied saying that her car got flipped 561 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 1: and rolled three times. 562 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 2: Like what the hell? 563 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 1: Why in the world would you want to lie about 564 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 1: something so intense like that. She also said this after 565 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,560 Speaker 1: someone we knew had just rolled their car. I'd understand 566 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 1: her and her logic, and I'm currently ghosting her because 567 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 1: I just can't do it anymore. 568 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 2: That sucks. I think I had a friend in sixth 569 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 2: grade who lied a lot. 570 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 1: Well, this is someone older, this is someone who can drive. 571 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 1: I get like, there's gonna be kids say yeah. 572 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I went to grade school story. 573 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I you know, we all, yes, we all 574 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 1: had the you know the I mean the stupidest lies 575 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 1: that I got told when I was little by other friends. 576 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 1: So I still think of one of them. Gladiators in 577 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 1: the UK was like such a huge show, and she 578 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 1: told me that the Pink Gladiator, who is my favorite 579 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 1: jet Inland, lived with her grandma and let her try 580 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,360 Speaker 1: on her uniform. And I was like, that's amazing. 581 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 2: We were like, Saven see this one I'm talking about. 582 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 2: I think there's a there's a there's a window of 583 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,240 Speaker 2: lying that actually is just part of your development. I 584 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 2: think that you're I think that those lies. 585 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 1: I think we're. 586 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 2: Probably I mean, I'm maybe I'm just convincing myself that 587 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 2: I don't have issues. But yeah, I think that that's normal, 588 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 2: like having those lies. But it's when you're in a 589 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 2: grown up that's different. Okay, isy gosh, another just I mean, 590 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 2: what is wrong with people? I hate to say it, 591 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:31,880 Speaker 2: but my father turned out to be a massive liar. 592 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 2: My dad is a firefighter and for five months he 593 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 2: was carrying out a whole other life with a female 594 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 2: cop who happened to work in the same city as him, 595 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 2: for five whole months. During these five months, my dad, mom, 596 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 2: my brother, and I went on a family vacation, and 597 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 2: this whole family vacation, he and the woman were in 598 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 2: contact with each other. When my dad came out and 599 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 2: told us about the affair. He said he would discontinue 600 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 2: any contact with the woman. A few days later, my 601 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 2: mom went to go talk with my dad at our 602 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 2: yacht club because he was staying on the boat. Lo 603 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 2: and behold the woman was with him when my mom 604 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 2: show up. Ah, wrong with people? 605 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 1: What the heck? The dads aren't looking so good today? 606 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 2: I mean, neither was a bad mother, was a bad 607 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 2: mom mom too bad liar, lying liar. How do you 608 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 2: deal with a liar? Good question? 609 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 1: How do you deal with a liar? I mean, when 610 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 1: the liars are this big, I do think for the 611 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 1: sake of your sanity, you can't have that person in 612 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 1: your life. 613 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. I was gonna say total abandoned jump ship, but. 614 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 1: This is really hard. So I mean, some of these 615 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 1: people are related if you're married to them, I mean yeah, 616 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 1: married related. They're your mom, that your dad. 617 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, and by the way, the extent that they go 618 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 2: through to do. I have another bad story, a bad 619 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 2: dad story. I just heard this from a friend of 620 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:51,720 Speaker 2: mind that there was a dad who was like again, 621 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 2: picture perfect, like squeaky, cleaning, always game like, always taking 622 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 2: the kids everywhere, and he was with the daughter I 623 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,760 Speaker 2: don't even know how she was and she had his phone, 624 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,560 Speaker 2: and he kept getting hit up by this. But it 625 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 2: was a contact that was like in there is like 626 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 2: not the right name. Yeah, And she looked at it 627 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 2: and it was sexy talk. And then because these things 628 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 2: happen when you find them, you for some reason cannot 629 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 2: look away. You have to keep looking. Yeah, you got 630 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 2: to start scrolling. The finger comes out, you're swiping, you're strolling, 631 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 2: you're scrolling, you're scrolling an swiping, You're doing all the things. 632 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:40,040 Speaker 2: And she got into some seriously Shenanigany territory. There was sex, 633 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 2: there were boobs, there was all of it. All it 634 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 2: one person. Yes, but I'd been going on for a 635 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 2: very long time. Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot the punchline. 636 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 2: It was her friend's mom. 637 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:55,440 Speaker 1: No, yes, no, yeah, yeah again. 638 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 2: I for some reason, these crazy stories come out. I'm like, oh, I. 639 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 1: Get So the friend is now involved. That's what sucks too. 640 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 1: Now the friend is involved, And how does she feel 641 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 1: about the mom, And. 642 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 2: How does she tell them? How does she Yeah, he 643 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 2: should tell them, but then she no, And then that's 644 00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:13,520 Speaker 2: a heat. The message killed the messenger. The whole thing 645 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 2: is just awful, terrible, terrible, And that's the thing I 646 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 2: think that I really don't like about liars. They really 647 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,680 Speaker 2: take people down, you know, they change your life with lies. 648 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, well your trust well, I mean there's so many 649 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:30,920 Speaker 1: things that are affected, but your foundation for trust feels 650 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:36,320 Speaker 1: really shaken. Mm hmm, especially when they especially when it's 651 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:40,200 Speaker 1: just so wild where you're listening to it and it's 652 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:44,200 Speaker 1: still like the person that we're talking about. For us personally, 653 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:49,360 Speaker 1: I still can't compute. It still doesn't like compute for me. 654 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 2: Why I accept it? So I'm like, oh, yeah, because 655 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:53,359 Speaker 2: it doesn't because I'm like. 656 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 1: It doesn't feel real almost. 657 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 2: No, No, it does not feel real. 658 00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,440 Speaker 1: No, And for these people, I imagine it takes a 659 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:02,759 Speaker 1: very long time or maybe it never feels I mean, 660 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:04,840 Speaker 1: to be honest, the one with the mom who said 661 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,880 Speaker 1: that you know this is your dad, I would need 662 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 1: the DNA test. I wouldn't even want to take her 663 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:13,319 Speaker 1: word on it. Yeah, Like what makes me believe this 664 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 1: new lie? 665 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:15,360 Speaker 2: Yeah? 666 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,759 Speaker 1: What's slightly terrifying is we made these videos, I mean 667 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,920 Speaker 1: put them out on Instagram, and we just got so 668 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,719 Speaker 1: many submissions and they weren't small stories. I mean, we 669 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:29,040 Speaker 1: can dig into this morning another episode. Obviously, this is 670 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:33,880 Speaker 1: a huge subject affecting so many people. They were huge, 671 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:40,040 Speaker 1: huge monumental betrayals. Yeah, because that's what the line ends 672 00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,440 Speaker 1: up being, ends up being a betrayal of your trust, 673 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:43,239 Speaker 1: of your friendship. 674 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,399 Speaker 2: They literally had well we had hundreds of submissions. Yeah, 675 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:50,640 Speaker 2: hundreds in like twenty four hours. Yeah, fightening. 676 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,799 Speaker 1: It's frightening because you feel like you imagine that there 677 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,520 Speaker 1: aren't that many people walking around the world who can 678 00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,720 Speaker 1: lie like this, and when you see from our crew 679 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:01,319 Speaker 1: the response, You're like. 680 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:05,279 Speaker 2: Wait, this is so creepy. Yeah. You know what I 681 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:09,480 Speaker 2: think it makes uh for some some good therapy after 682 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:13,919 Speaker 2: you've been lied to, is talking about it, like I mean, 683 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:18,080 Speaker 2: like calling a friend and like just getting it all out, 684 00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,400 Speaker 2: like because I feel like that's what's happened with this 685 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:22,799 Speaker 2: documentary is people just want to talk about it because 686 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,040 Speaker 2: they can't wrap their heads around it. They can't think 687 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:29,000 Speaker 2: of how, you know, someone could ever lie like that. 688 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,360 Speaker 2: But I do have to say, and again I'm a 689 00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,160 Speaker 2: I'm not I'm was just a person that worked there 690 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:35,600 Speaker 2: as well, right, Like, I'm not a huge part of 691 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:37,839 Speaker 2: the story, but I can tell you that the very 692 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:39,359 Speaker 2: many people who have reached out to me, I wanted 693 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,279 Speaker 2: to talk about it. I think that they feel like 694 00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,880 Speaker 2: some uh and they're not even personally involved, but I 695 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:46,960 Speaker 2: think they feel better when they've just like heard a 696 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:51,200 Speaker 2: little bit more talked it out. I think that it's 697 00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:54,080 Speaker 2: so just like you said, it's so unsettling to think 698 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,040 Speaker 2: that there are people out there who can, who can, 699 00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:58,279 Speaker 2: who can behave that way. 700 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:02,600 Speaker 1: Well, that's why it's interesting, And I think great when 701 00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,319 Speaker 1: our crew write in and they just they give us 702 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,000 Speaker 1: their stories, because I think sharing them, there's somebody else 703 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:12,120 Speaker 1: listening to this, thinking my experience with this person was 704 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,200 Speaker 1: so wild it can't possibly it must be so rare. 705 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,160 Speaker 1: And then you're hearing other people and you're like, wow, 706 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,799 Speaker 1: that's that's even worse or that's the same, or that's the. 707 00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:25,040 Speaker 2: And there's other people dealing with this and yeah. 708 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,400 Speaker 1: Exactly, which is why we wanted to do this episode, 709 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,279 Speaker 1: because it does feel kind of isolating when you've been 710 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,720 Speaker 1: in a situation that feels insane. 711 00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:33,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. 712 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:33,759 Speaker 3: Yeah. 713 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:35,759 Speaker 2: I always find that when I'm dealing with people who 714 00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:39,000 Speaker 2: I can't who I feel like I feel an instinct 715 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,399 Speaker 2: about that I can't trust, or if I have been 716 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,719 Speaker 2: in relationships with people where it's such an overused term 717 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:46,480 Speaker 2: these days, I think, but I actually mean it in 718 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,480 Speaker 2: the truest sense of its meeting, which is gaslighting where 719 00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,319 Speaker 2: someone's you know, you're saying, hey, but I didn't love 720 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:52,799 Speaker 2: when this happened, and they're like, what are you talking about? 721 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:57,480 Speaker 2: That didn't happen? Yeah? Really? Yeah, are you sure? Because 722 00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,319 Speaker 2: I and it's wild because of course it usual really 723 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,480 Speaker 2: only happens when it's you and that person in conversation, right, 724 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,600 Speaker 2: like when there's witnesses, there's no it's a little bit harder. 725 00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:09,040 Speaker 2: But yeah, I've had a couple people in my life 726 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:10,600 Speaker 2: where I'm like, can I just like put a GoPro 727 00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:12,120 Speaker 2: on my head? Like, do you mind if I just 728 00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,920 Speaker 2: videotape all of our interactions because this feels unsafe, Like 729 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,400 Speaker 2: you feel like being with you and being in relationship 730 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:20,960 Speaker 2: with you makes me feel like I'm living in the 731 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:22,719 Speaker 2: upside down. Yeah, I don't. 732 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,200 Speaker 1: I don't know if I could have very close relations 733 00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:27,480 Speaker 1: with people that know. 734 00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,799 Speaker 2: But sometimes you're forced into it. I mean, sometimes you 735 00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:31,480 Speaker 2: just have people in your life where you know, either 736 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,759 Speaker 2: by circumstance or yeah, of course all the different things 737 00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,719 Speaker 2: there they are. But I do think, yeah, that's that's 738 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,520 Speaker 2: I think that's my last thought on it is that 739 00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:43,640 Speaker 2: I do think that there are big fat liars out there, 740 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:48,839 Speaker 2: and I can only imagine that we all experience them, 741 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:53,080 Speaker 2: and that the only uh, the only way out is 742 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,560 Speaker 2: the rough that lie and to talk about it with 743 00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,440 Speaker 2: other people and figure out how to get right with 744 00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:00,480 Speaker 2: it and understand that you didn't contribute to it and 745 00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,919 Speaker 2: exactly send them on their way. And by the way, 746 00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:08,560 Speaker 2: I feel like when people have, you know, lied a lot. Again, 747 00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,480 Speaker 2: I'm a big fan of when people have lied a lot. 748 00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:15,440 Speaker 2: I'm a big fan of getting your way to forgiveness. 749 00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,080 Speaker 2: But I don't think you need to forget it. I 750 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:22,080 Speaker 2: think that was actually information that's necessary in going forward 751 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:26,200 Speaker 2: in a relationship with that person. Yeah, I agree that 752 00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:27,879 Speaker 2: bye bye bye. 753 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:29,920 Speaker 1: All right, I think we need to We keep saying 754 00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,000 Speaker 1: this that it's only because the crew is just so 755 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:36,759 Speaker 1: incredible that I'm like, we need enough. We gotta do more. 756 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,240 Speaker 1: We got to get through more of your submissions and stories. 757 00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,640 Speaker 1: But for now, we're gonna call it just the end 758 00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:52,480 Speaker 1: of the lying episode.