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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I'm sure you've all

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Speaker 1: heard this. I guess hype over Andrew Tate. He is

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Speaker 1: a very, very evil guy. The Tate Brothers in general

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Speaker 1: have done horrible things. They have been under investigation in

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Speaker 1: Romania and the UK, and even Rond Dea Santis has

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Speaker 1: And I think people don't really understand how dangerous these

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Speaker 1: Pinter here with me today. She's a leading voice standing

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Speaker 1: up for the victims of sexual violence and the senior

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Speaker 1: legal counsel for the National Center on Sexual Exploitation Law Center.

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Speaker 1: She's recently taken on a new role and she's representing

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Speaker 1: Jane Doe against the Tate brothers and this is so important.

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Speaker 1: So thank you so much for coming on, Danny. I

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Speaker 1: want to talk about exactly what is happening with these

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for having me. It's definitely

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Speaker 2: important topic.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely so we've seen this, and I have to

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Speaker 1: say on what I would say. Sometimes even right of

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Speaker 1: center podcasts and people who are in that space have

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Speaker 1: brought them into the mix and kind of latted praise

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Speaker 1: of masculinity. I'm watching some of these videos of this guy,

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Speaker 1: and just so people are clear about who he is,

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Speaker 1: He's put out videos saying admitting to being a pimp,

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Speaker 1: had done in the past was and I don't know

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Speaker 1: you can correct me if he's still doing this. He

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Speaker 1: would bring a woman into his life kind of wine

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Speaker 1: and he acted like this was a chore in the

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Speaker 1: way he described it, like, oh, I would have to

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Speaker 1: have sex with them, and then they would be bonded

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Speaker 1: I mean true mental abuse.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I mean he said something to the fact of,

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Speaker 2: And he said things like that repeatedly. He even sold

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Speaker 2: a course that he called his PhD course, which stood

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Speaker 2: for a pimping hose degree. And what you highlighted is

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Speaker 2: he would say in that that you know, ultimately this

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Speaker 2: wasn't even about sex for me. I only had sex

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Speaker 2: he talks about that a lot, about mind control and

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Speaker 1: Well, and we've seen this on Twitter, and I actually

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Speaker 1: we've seen all these posts from him, even in the

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Speaker 1: There's one woman where there's actual text messages between the

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Speaker 1: And he's like, you're here for me to beat and impregnant.

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Speaker 1: And yet these women still go back. And I think

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Speaker 1: why wouldn't they just walk away? There is an abuse

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Speaker 1: pattern here. He knows what he's doing, Yes.

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Speaker 2: He knows what he's doing. And I mean he said

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Speaker 2: and creating those bonds, and it's very similar to cult dynamics.

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Speaker 2: And this happens a lot with sex trafficking, where there's

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Speaker 2: a concentrated effort, a strategic, intentional effort to create a

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Speaker 2: even talk about isolating the women from friends and family.

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Speaker 2: If she has a strong social group, you got to

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Speaker 2: see what really happening, right, to see the truth of

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Speaker 1: And some of these women are over eighteen, but there

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Speaker 2: Is officially charged with sex trafficking a miner who was

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Speaker 1: When you talk about how he does this, how he

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, No, I think that's right. I think we

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Speaker 2: And what it usually looks like is trouble kids in

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Speaker 2: I think that's what we need to understand. Well.

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Speaker 1: And one of my friends years ago came to me

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Speaker 1: he essentially pimped her out. To friends, this is something

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Speaker 1: just so uncomfortable to think. And it was actually a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's evidence that the average age of

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Speaker 2: like mid fifties. So it can take a really really

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Speaker 2: much shame number one, and there's confusing feelings because like

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Speaker 1: The one girlfriend of Andrew Tate in her interview, she says,

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Speaker 1: And that's what you have to watch for with your daughters,

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Speaker 1: much more extreme than I think we are even prepared for.

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Speaker 2: Just so, just one victim. They alleged he made I

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Speaker 2: think about two point five million dollars over the course

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Speaker 2: He understands social media. He understands how to say what

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Speaker 1: the Tutor Dixon podcast. So they still have a business

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Speaker 2: woman was groomed and trafficked as a minor by Andrew Tate.

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Speaker 2: So I think that kind of answers part of the question,

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Speaker 2: which is that she's been with him since she was

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Speaker 2: so so young, and he talks about that, you know,

439
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Speaker 2: basically he's brainwashed her and the attachment is so strong

440
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Speaker 2: that she will never leave. He brags about that, and

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Speaker 2: to your question, this happens all the time. So there's

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Speaker 2: trauma bonding that goes on in these trafficking situations where

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Speaker 2: if you experience a level of tragedy and a level

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Speaker 2: of abuse with someone. You'll see this in domestic violence too.

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Speaker 2: It's like the heightened, the more and more heightened that

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Speaker 2: abuse is, and you stay and there's sort of like

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Speaker 2: a rebonding after that. It becomes harder and harder and

448
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Speaker 2: harder to leave because you've invested so much. There is

449
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Speaker 2: such an emotional a strong emotional bond, and there's an

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Speaker 2: almost impossibility to believe that there could be a life

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Speaker 2: outside of that, you know, and that's a lot of

452
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Speaker 2: what he talks about too, is that you create the

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Speaker 2: situation where they can't imagine anything else, there's really nowhere

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Speaker 2: else for them to go. And in some trafficking situations too,

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Speaker 2: after like years of abuse, these women are almost relieved

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Speaker 2: to not be doing what the women below them are doing.

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Speaker 2: So there's also kind of some of that. It's like

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Speaker 2: taking back some of the power and a little bit

459
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Speaker 2: more of a privileged lifestyle. So there's a lot of

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Speaker 2: dynamics going on with that.

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Speaker 1: In these videos that he had out there, these multiple videos.

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Speaker 1: Is he also the star of these videos or did

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Speaker 1: they bring men in or what exactly happens in this business.

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Speaker 1: So it seems like.

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Speaker 2: With the webcam OnlyFans, it's solo. So I think the

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Speaker 2: women are doing sexx on camera to like a live

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Speaker 2: male audience. That's what the description sounds like to me.

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Speaker 1: It's not as though people don't know about this though,

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Speaker 1: because people as famous as Kim Kardashian finds out Kanye

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Speaker 1: West is hanging out with the tape brothers while the

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Speaker 1: kids are there. She calls an emergency hearing I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is well known. Why can there not be something done?

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Speaker 1: Why are they not behind bars in the United States.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think that's a question for us

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Speaker 2: to ask, to ask our elected officials and our government.

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Speaker 2: I think, you know, the tablers are United States citizens,

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Speaker 2: which they lack wildly proclaim as having all these rights

478
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Speaker 2: as American citizens that they deserve. And the other side

479
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Speaker 2: of the coin is you also are subject to United

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Speaker 2: States laws, and under the United States laws, if an

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Speaker 2: American citizen can commit sex trafficking abroad or abuses minors abroad,

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Speaker 2: you could be prosecuted for that here. So I certainly

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Speaker 2: hope and I believe that, you know, our American justice

484
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Speaker 2: system will do the right thing. We do have the

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Speaker 2: strongest laws against these kinds of sex crimes if anywhere

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Speaker 2: in the world, So you know, I think it's just

487
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Speaker 2: a matter of time in my opinion, but I think

488
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Speaker 2: we should. We should hold him accountable, We should ask

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Speaker 2: for that.

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Speaker 1: When you see people that are having him on their

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Speaker 1: podcasts and giving him airtime, what would you say to them?

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Speaker 2: You know, I would question why they are helping and

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Speaker 2: facilitating sort of this false narrative that's doing harm. Because

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Speaker 2: I think that's the biggest issue is, you know, it's

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Speaker 2: almost proven that whenever entertaate goes on this podcast, He's

496
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Speaker 2: says things that aren't true about the case, about the victims,

497
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Speaker 2: about what he's accused of, and it's so easy to verify.

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Speaker 1: So why are.

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Speaker 2: You know, you, as the person providing him that space,

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Speaker 2: you're giving credibility to that. When you don't push back

501
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Speaker 2: and challenge and you put your brand on that, it's

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Speaker 2: what confuses everyone. You're actually assisting him in confusing and

503
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Speaker 2: lying to people, right, Because at this point, right we

504
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Speaker 2: have so much information coming at us. We think we

505
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Speaker 2: have some trusted sources, right, we have a podcaster that

506
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 2: we like and we feel like we trust, so we're

507
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Speaker 2: not going to go fact check everything they say. So

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Speaker 2: now when that podcaster lets a guest come and lie

509
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Speaker 2: on challenge on the podcast, you know, I think that

510
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Speaker 2: podcaster is responsible for the damage they've done to their

511
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Speaker 2: audience and lying to them and to spreading false narratives.

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Speaker 1: Right. I think that's the most important thing to remember

513
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Speaker 1: is that we have so many sources of information right now,

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Speaker 1: but those sources of information don't necessarily always have to

515
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Speaker 1: be fact checked, and you should make sure that you,

516
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,199
Speaker 1: especially in a subject like this, should make sure that

517
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Speaker 1: you're getting the full story the right information. States across

518
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Speaker 1: this country are dealing on a daily basis with sex trafficking.

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Speaker 1: It's one. I mean, the United States is, what's second

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Speaker 1: in the world for sex trafficking.

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Speaker 2: I think that's right. I don't know for sure.

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Speaker 1: I believe we're second in the world for sex trafficking.

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Speaker 1: So to me, first off, it's shocking that these guys

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Speaker 1: can have these charges against them, come into the United

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Speaker 1: States and just live freely. I agree with you there.

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Speaker 1: I think it's it's totally appalling. Are they still under

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Speaker 1: investigation in these other countries and where what is the

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Speaker 1: status of that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so they're still under judicial control in Romania, so

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Speaker 2: those cases are still open and ongoing. But I think

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Speaker 2: it is strange that they're so that they're able to

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Speaker 2: travel so freely. Now I think we should be confused

533
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Speaker 2: about that. Something weird is going on. And there is

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Speaker 2: also a criminal investigation happening in the UK, so open

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Speaker 2: criminal charges for which the UK did seek extradition in

536
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Speaker 2: Romania and it was granted by a Romanian court. So

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Speaker 2: technically that order still stands. But what it said and

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Speaker 2: as usual is we will extradite when we're done with

539
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Speaker 2: our case, right, But I don't think the UK expected

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Speaker 2: Romania to allow them to freely travel. So I think

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Speaker 2: we're at kind of a weird spot where I would

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Speaker 2: expect the UK to take some action now. They should

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Speaker 2: also be concerned that the Tape Brothers are traveling, and

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Speaker 2: I would think considering they have had these allegations going

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Speaker 2: back to twenty twelve in the UK, this is you know,

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Speaker 2: there was a criminal investigation in around twenty fifteen of

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Speaker 2: three or four women that came forward. You know, they

548
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Speaker 2: alleged that the UK kind of dropped the ball then

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Speaker 2: and failing to prosecute those crimes. And now we have

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Speaker 2: another investigation with different victims that goes back to twenty

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Speaker 2: twelve to twenty fifteen. So in some sense, you know,

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Speaker 2: the UK is responsible for not having done the right

553
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Speaker 2: thing then that's gotten us to where we are now.

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Speaker 2: So I hope the UK does the right thing now.

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Speaker 2: They've been under fire for failing to prosecute very serious

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Speaker 2: sex crimes for some time now. I think this is

557
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Speaker 2: their moment to do the right thing and get a

558
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Speaker 2: little aggressive if they're going to seriously prosecute these crimes.

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Speaker 1: Well for Anybody out here that's listening to stories about

560
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Speaker 1: Andrew Tate, understand this is not masculinity. This is abuse.

561
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Speaker 1: This is certainly not biblical. This is the opposite of that.

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Speaker 1: This is pure evil. The Tate brothers and what they've done,

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Speaker 1: I would say that we have to assume, but they've

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Speaker 1: openly put out there what they've done. They're caught on

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Speaker 1: video beating women. I mean, and they're proud of what

566
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Speaker 1: they've done. These are This is not something you have

567
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Speaker 1: to really wonder about if you are wondering about it,

568
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Speaker 1: if you just simply take five minutes to look at it.

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Speaker 1: This is the kind of dangerous person that's out there,

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Speaker 1: and this is what we should be fighting as a country.

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Speaker 1: And I think we've seen some of this become accepted

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Speaker 1: in in different areas, and I think the UK has

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Speaker 1: been sort of a problem when it comes to abusing women.

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Speaker 1: We've seen a lot of women be abused. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we're seeing women being abused in Sweden now and there's

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Speaker 1: nothing being done about it. Seeing women being abused in

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Speaker 1: the United States, like I said, being the second in

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Speaker 1: the world for sex trafficking. I think we need to

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Speaker 1: have our elected officials do a heckup a lot more.

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Speaker 1: I know in Donald Trump's first term, I had talked

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Speaker 1: to people who were fighting sex trafficking and they felt

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Speaker 1: like the Trump administration really had their back and really

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Speaker 1: was supporting going after sex trafficking. I believe that those

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Speaker 1: people are back at it again fighting sex trafficking. I'll

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Speaker 1: give our Attorney General in the state of Michigan, who

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Speaker 1: I don't agree with on much, but she is out

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Speaker 1: there on a regular basis talking about the importance of

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Speaker 1: fighting sex trafficking, and I can certainly agree that that

589
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Speaker 1: is something we must do. This is the kind of

590
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Speaker 1: stuff that destroys society, but these poor women's lives, it's

591
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Speaker 1: just you never get back what you had before you

592
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: end up with someone like this who's taken so much

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Speaker 1: from you, and we appreciate everything you do to fight this.

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Speaker 1: Danny Pincer, thank you so much for being on the

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Speaker 1: podcast today.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, and thank you for talking about this.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely and thank you all for listening to this and

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