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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys Selection and now your hosts, Dane Brugler, David
Speaker 1: Hellman and Brian brought us and welcome to the Draft
Speaker 1: show here in Mobile, Alabama. Day one of the Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl here. Excited to be here, Brian brought us, Dane Brugler,
Speaker 1: David Hellman. Uh, As I said, Day one, guys of
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl, really an installation day, Dane, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, we had the wag ins in the morning
Speaker 1: and then we had the practices in the afternoon, both
Speaker 1: the North South getting after it today again more installation
Speaker 1: teaching things like that. But kind of want to get
Speaker 1: you guys comments. I know you day we're kind of
Speaker 1: running around having to do try and track down the
Speaker 1: owner and general manager. Really was a really busy day today.
Speaker 1: It was a busy day for you and I know
Speaker 1: that for all of us. But I want to get
Speaker 1: into as we get started, I want to get into
Speaker 1: the way in itself some surprises with you, Dane. I mean,
Speaker 1: we'd been working on you know, when you watch this tape,
Speaker 1: we get the heights, the weights, the speed. Some of
Speaker 1: them are estimates, you know. Some of them are stuff
Speaker 1: that's done from pro days in the spring. You know
Speaker 1: some of these guys. Yeah, the body types, the weights,
Speaker 1: the heights, all that change. Any surprises when you looked
Speaker 1: at the way ends today, I think usually there's surprises
Speaker 1: every year. I didn't think there were too many surprises
Speaker 1: this year in terms of what we expected going in. Yeah, Um,
Speaker 1: Desmond Harrison coming in at two hundred and seventy nine pounds.
Speaker 1: That was surprising to me, the offensive tackle from Georgia.
Speaker 1: And it wasn't only just the weight, but just his frame.
Speaker 1: He doesn't have a typical offensive tackle frame. He'll probably
Speaker 1: be able to get it up to mid two nineties
Speaker 1: by the combine. But I don't know which wasn't impressed
Speaker 1: with this frame. I think the rest of it, uh
Speaker 1: was more about what we thought. I think when you
Speaker 1: look at Marcus Davenport from ETSA, right, that's how you
Speaker 1: want an NFL defensive end of Look. Yeah, almost sixty six,
Speaker 1: two hundred and sixty pounds, thirty four inch arms. Um.
Speaker 1: I think Levi Wallace took a lot of heat for
Speaker 1: being under what was one seventy six. Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1: I was impressed by Levi Wallace because I thought he
Speaker 1: played day. Yeah, I'm talking about physically. Yeah, the arm
Speaker 1: length arm, I mean, you put him in an NFL
Speaker 1: strength and conditioning program, he'll be able to get up there.
Speaker 1: Probably one eighty five, I think. But you know, you
Speaker 1: can't fix short arms, and he doesn't have short arms.
Speaker 1: He has thirty three and three eighths in charge arms
Speaker 1: for a corner. So I thought Levi Wallace was a
Speaker 1: name that really stood out this morning. And then quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: I mean, you look at Josh Allen. He just blessed
Speaker 1: with impressive jeans because when you look at him, he's
Speaker 1: almost six five, two hundred and thirty seven pounds over
Speaker 1: ten inch hands. So I think for the most part,
Speaker 1: the way as were what we expected. Anything that caught, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was. I wanted to kind of get into and
Speaker 1: the one note that I had you have some day,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry you was up there. I no, go ahead,
Speaker 1: I want to see what you say. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I was looking at these wide receivers and I was
Speaker 1: looking at Marcel Eightman. Yeah, and here's a man that
Speaker 1: measures six to four and is two hundred and sixteen
Speaker 1: pounds Oklahoma state wide receiver nine hands. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: thinking of a guy, a bigger guy, but he catches
Speaker 1: the ball. I mean we saw that today, the way
Speaker 1: snatching the football, the speed and all. We've talked about that,
Speaker 1: but I was a little surprised to him being that
Speaker 1: big and Heley having nine inch hands. Yeah, same thing
Speaker 1: with Davenport, he only had nine inch hands. That is
Speaker 1: interesting when you see the not quite proportionate to height
Speaker 1: and arm length, smaller hands like that. It is an
Speaker 1: interesting part of it. That's a good observation by you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought two go ahead, Dave. I'm sorry, Well no,
Speaker 1: I just you know, I'm thinking about people listening at
Speaker 1: home right now, and I would probably be in this category,
Speaker 1: like why are you talking about heights and weights? Like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I don't care. But I think back
Speaker 1: to this time last year and Dane kind of had
Speaker 1: a moment about Jordan Lewis and his measurements, and right,
Speaker 1: you know, this was a big day for him proven
Speaker 1: to people that he's he fits the size you want
Speaker 1: in a cornerback, right, YEAHA probably I think we the conversation,
Speaker 1: was he solidified that he's got the measurables to be
Speaker 1: a first round pick. Obviously, off the field stuff contributed
Speaker 1: to him not being that, but based on his first
Speaker 1: year as a Cowboy, I think we would agree that
Speaker 1: he has that kind of talent. Yeah, so I wonder
Speaker 1: all of that is a roundabout way of saying, I
Speaker 1: wonder if there's a guy that fits that category for
Speaker 1: you this year where you're like, he needed to come
Speaker 1: in at this height, or he it's really good for
Speaker 1: him that he came in at this way that type
Speaker 1: of stuff. That's a good point because, yeah, we knew
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis was short, but when he came in with
Speaker 1: thirty one in arms, that was that's yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: got Yeah, that's what Will McClay will tell you. Right.
Speaker 1: Will McClay is okay with the short corner as long
Speaker 1: as he's got long arms. Right. So you know when
Speaker 1: you think, oh, the Cowboys won't take a short corner, well,
Speaker 1: they took a short corner. And let me tell you,
Speaker 1: there's some really good short corners in this draft. You know,
Speaker 1: there's some guys that Will will need to see. Uh
Speaker 1: you know what the in fact, the arm link is
Speaker 1: some of the you know, back to Dave's question about
Speaker 1: kind of who we thought, you know, kind of like
Speaker 1: at Jordan Lewis, who, Yeah, we had an idea of
Speaker 1: what his measurables were, but he had to come in
Speaker 1: with you know, like arm length. And I think one
Speaker 1: of those guys was ogbo uh our boy from Oklahoma
Speaker 1: our corner. I can't even Dane can't say that one
Speaker 1: trumps me up every time. That's a but Okay, we
Speaker 1: knew like he's a he's an undersized pass rush and
Speaker 1: we knew that. Yeah, but he came in at thirty
Speaker 1: four and a half inch arms. That's for him a
Speaker 1: one row five sounds fass good, good luck. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: not there yet, no, but I'll tell you what. But
Speaker 1: you're right, and you know, and here's a guy that
Speaker 1: is listened as a defensive end. Kind of feel like
Speaker 1: that the Cowboys are going to look at him as
Speaker 1: a linebacker potentially. So we'll see there one more guy
Speaker 1: if I could point out too. And Dane's brought up
Speaker 1: this name quite a bit because we're trying to find
Speaker 1: that left guard at fifty. If you're trying to find
Speaker 1: the left guard at fifty Okay, now you tap was
Speaker 1: three hundred and forty pounds, carried it well and carried
Speaker 1: it well, he looked. I talked to him today, Will Hernandez. Yeah,
Speaker 1: here we go. I need to be a better job
Speaker 1: with this three day school. And not the name he is.
Speaker 1: He looks more like a tackle than a guard, honestly,
Speaker 1: standing square bill guy, and he I mean holds yeah,
Speaker 1: and he he's impressive. He is impressive though, And yeah,
Speaker 1: he was three hundred and forty pounds. But I want
Speaker 1: to go to Isaiah Win. Yeah, Isaiah Win measured in
Speaker 1: at six two Georgia measured at six two and a
Speaker 1: half three hundred and eight pounds. Obviously not a tackle build.
Speaker 1: So this is gonna be a This is a guy
Speaker 1: that played left tackle at Georgia and is now is
Speaker 1: going to be projected inside at guard. Kind of a
Speaker 1: funny built guy, kind of a longer I mean, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: because he had a shorter upper body, longer lower body,
Speaker 1: and he had over thirty three in ye and so
Speaker 1: I think that gave you some comfort that if you
Speaker 1: needed him to kick out to tackle, he could do
Speaker 1: it right in the NFL. But I think just like
Speaker 1: just like Zach Martin. Just like a few of these
Speaker 1: other guys, you know, tackle to guard converts. Once they
Speaker 1: get to the NFL level, we feel like they're best place.
Speaker 1: They're ideally suited to go inside. I think that's with
Speaker 1: Isaiah Win. I think he could be a ten year
Speaker 1: starter in the NFL. I think he's really good. But
Speaker 1: you're right, the body type is a little very round
Speaker 1: mid section, right, But no, I think he plays on
Speaker 1: his feet though. That's the one thing when you watch
Speaker 1: this tape if yeah he did, if you if you
Speaker 1: have a chance to watch Isaiah Win, he's a tackle
Speaker 1: at Georgia. He rarely his uniform is rarely dirty because
Speaker 1: he's rarely on the ground. He is one of the
Speaker 1: best position blockers. Leverage, turn, reach, snatch, all those things
Speaker 1: that you want to do with an offensive lineman. Perfect
Speaker 1: for what the Cowboys want to do with this game,
Speaker 1: with the game of you know, with Paul Alexander, if
Speaker 1: you watch the Bengals play, he'll pull those guards. Movement, yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of movement. Zack Martin is really good at that.
Speaker 1: I felt like that Ron Leary redid his body two
Speaker 1: years ago to be able to play in this kind
Speaker 1: of scheme. When is that kind of guy? And for me,
Speaker 1: so yeah, I'm looking at you know what when, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't. You know, I don't have a
Speaker 1: problem with him. I really don't have a problem with it.
Speaker 1: I think I think people will get on them. But
Speaker 1: then you look at Jonathan Cooper was not a mammoth
Speaker 1: looking guy, and and and and I think when it
Speaker 1: was a similar athlete coming out of Georgia as what
Speaker 1: Cooper was coming out of North Carolina, I see it.
Speaker 1: I see an athletic guy. I mean, I don't see
Speaker 1: a guy that gets knocked back and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: He's still a very balanced block. If you want the strong,
Speaker 1: bohemoth kind of guy, the big guy, it's Hernandez. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's the guy. Okay, that's that's the fifth fifth. He's
Speaker 1: both because I think he I think he could. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got some questions about you know, okay, three hundred
Speaker 1: forty pounds, could he lose some weight and stuff? I
Speaker 1: don't think he doesn't. He doesn't. He's not a sloppy guy, no,
Speaker 1: not at all. He carries it very well. He moves
Speaker 1: very well. He does not need to. I mean, he
Speaker 1: needs to make sure that weight doesn't balloon the three fifty,
Speaker 1: but at three forty, I have no problem with him
Speaker 1: keeping that weight and still fitting zone schemes, movement pull.
Speaker 1: He can get out in space and be just fine. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what those were a couple of things. Now,
Speaker 1: let me ask you this though, the fact that the
Speaker 1: draft show is about the draft. You know, we are
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys folks here, but it's just about the draft.
Speaker 1: I want to get into the quarterbacks real quick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, and that really the marquee names we're on
Speaker 1: that we're on that north side, and it came down
Speaker 1: to with Alan and it also came down from Mayfield.
Speaker 1: Just your initial thoughts about what you saw both quarterbacks
Speaker 1: today throwing the football. Josh Allen was at least in
Speaker 1: this first practice exactly what we saw on tape right Wyoming.
Speaker 1: He'll have some throws where you watch it and it's
Speaker 1: just it's beautiful, right it zip with the arm placement, timing,
Speaker 1: it just looks like an NFL throw, big time throw.
Speaker 1: We saw that today. But half the time you're impressed.
Speaker 1: Half the time the ball placement's off, the timing's off,
Speaker 1: and you know, in a setting like this, you kind
Speaker 1: of give a pass to quarterbacks. They've never worked with
Speaker 1: these receivers before. You know, it's against air, it's not
Speaker 1: against a defense. Yes, well, talking about some of the
Speaker 1: some of these drills, but with Allen, it was just
Speaker 1: the same thing we saw at Wyoming. Yeah, half of
Speaker 1: it's great, half of it's inaccurate throws with a lot
Speaker 1: of issues. So we'll see. The big thing with quarterbacks
Speaker 1: is progression through the week. I mean with all of
Speaker 1: these guys, but especially with these quarterbacks, will we get
Speaker 1: better from Tuesday to Wednesday to Thursday. But Josh Allen,
Speaker 1: he's got a lot of money riding on this week.
Speaker 1: And I mean I say that, but even when we
Speaker 1: get to the combine and beyond, teams will still make
Speaker 1: excuses for him for some of his mistakes. He's just
Speaker 1: he's one of the most fascinating prospects that we've seen,
Speaker 1: you know, in all the years we've been doing this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think to me and I have some notes to
Speaker 1: like twelve thoughts going up on Dallas Cowboys dot Com
Speaker 1: from the practice, And I wanted to ask you that
Speaker 1: because with Josh Allen, there's no question in the armed talent,
Speaker 1: there's no question. I don't think he knows where the
Speaker 1: ball's going. No, I really don't. And and there were
Speaker 1: times where his receivers did a nice job getting open
Speaker 1: on some incuts and the ball wasn't even close. And
Speaker 1: You're right, it could be a situation where I'm not
Speaker 1: used to working with a guy. You know, but you're thinking,
Speaker 1: if a guy's open, hit him, because you know you're
Speaker 1: not getting hit. This is a this is a practice situation,
Speaker 1: so make an accurate throw. If I was watching that today,
Speaker 1: I would say, like you said, boy, there is a
Speaker 1: lot of tape that I saw where I saw this.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I mean, it's great that he's
Speaker 1: not this is an unfamiliar environment for him. But doesn't
Speaker 1: the stats bear that out too. Yeah, No, that's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I mean, he but somebody's gonna fall in
Speaker 1: love with this guy. Somebody will fall in love with
Speaker 1: plenty of guys have already fallen. I mean, hey, we'll
Speaker 1: see how this week, how it affects everything moving forward.
Speaker 1: I would I'd absolutely be in love with him if
Speaker 1: you were talking about second or third round pick, but
Speaker 1: like top fifteen pick, right, Yeah, I'm the guy I
Speaker 1: like to boil down things to just be as simple
Speaker 1: as possible, right, And maybe that's not fair, but like
Speaker 1: if you can't complete sixty percent in the Mountain West,
Speaker 1: I'm just terrified. Yeah, it's the draft comes down to
Speaker 1: evaluation and then evaluation evaluations, figuring out who he's going
Speaker 1: to be at the next level for every prospect, and
Speaker 1: then the valuation is trying to put a value on him,
Speaker 1: because that's just as important as the evaluation part because
Speaker 1: you have to know, Okay, where am I going to
Speaker 1: be able to get this guy? And the value is
Speaker 1: sky high for Josh Allen right now, and who knows,
Speaker 1: things changed. We still have a long way to go,
Speaker 1: but it's I mean, I still think he's going to
Speaker 1: go somewhere in the top ten to fifteen picks. Se quarterback.
Speaker 1: Desperate teams are out there. I'll flip the other way
Speaker 1: on Baker Mayfield having to travel then he had the
Speaker 1: family issue with this and we don't have exact measurements. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we don't have exact measurements on him and all that,
Speaker 1: but I will tell you this though, watching him in
Speaker 1: pre practice take snaps from underne center and drop the
Speaker 1: first two that he had and then watch. You know,
Speaker 1: Mike Sullivan, the quarterback coach at Denver work with his feet,
Speaker 1: you know, and trying to get him. You know, the
Speaker 1: coaches in that situation are just like, here we go.
Speaker 1: All right. No, it's just you know, I think they no. No,
Speaker 1: the fact I'm gonna applaud both him and Alan for
Speaker 1: showing up absolutely no, because he could go this to me.
Speaker 1: And again, this is something else I wrote about today
Speaker 1: or this evening. I feel like though this is the
Speaker 1: start where now he will know where he has to work.
Speaker 1: You know, this week of practice will be real clear
Speaker 1: to him. It won't be Hey, listen, I've got to
Speaker 1: work on my feet. I've got to work on my drop.
Speaker 1: I gotta work on where the you know, where I
Speaker 1: put my shoulder where me This guy could throw the football,
Speaker 1: there's no question he could throw the football, but mechanically
Speaker 1: can he do the things necessary in the pocket to
Speaker 1: get away from so now people will play him in
Speaker 1: the gun, there's no question about that. But he's gonna
Speaker 1: have to play from underneath sit or some you know,
Speaker 1: And that's where I think that this week will help him.
Speaker 1: But for me, all right, forget his mechanics to get
Speaker 1: everything like the two things about Baker Mayfield is like
Speaker 1: a lot, like a lot like our own. Dez Bryant
Speaker 1: really is like the two things about him is he
Speaker 1: a super competitor or is he a punk? Like those
Speaker 1: are really that's the right And the fact that he's here,
Speaker 1: I mean, the Heisman Trophy winner, all of that. I
Speaker 1: lean more toward competitor than punk. I mean, not that
Speaker 1: you make the whole evaluation on that, but that goes
Speaker 1: a long way. Like I mean, the guy that just
Speaker 1: won the Heisman Trophy coming, you know, most of the guy.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, in this day and age, the
Speaker 1: number one go hid well, well, the number one overall pick,
Speaker 1: Like not that these guys aren't talented, but the real
Speaker 1: super freaks are the juniors. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: You know, the number one overall pick will probably be
Speaker 1: a junior if I had to guess. And so not
Speaker 1: that I don't want to call this second tier, but
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, he doesn't have to
Speaker 1: do this, He could go to the combo. I applaud
Speaker 1: him because the fact that he's here, it says, I mean,
Speaker 1: I agree, I totally agree. I have a new respect
Speaker 1: for him because he is the highest of trophy winner.
Speaker 1: But I have respect because he knows his shortcomings. I
Speaker 1: think he I think he does. I think this week
Speaker 1: will tell him. All right, man, this this pro coach,
Speaker 1: you know, it was telling me and I need to
Speaker 1: you know, I need to get hit it on this
Speaker 1: step or I need to turn my shoulder. I need
Speaker 1: a guy like him. And I know Sam Darnold and
Speaker 1: Josh Rose and aren't eligible anyway, but like they're like
Speaker 1: more prototypical quarterbacks who are supposed to be able to
Speaker 1: do this type of stuff anyway, they would have more
Speaker 1: to lose. Like everybody knows this guy is coming from
Speaker 1: a you know, a more college spread system, Like he's
Speaker 1: he's what you would call a project anyway, Like he
Speaker 1: doesn't have anything to lose. He's not supposed to come
Speaker 1: out here and look awesome, right, so just come compete.
Speaker 1: And he did, and so I appreciate that he got
Speaker 1: better throughout throughout practice, especially in the team part of
Speaker 1: the drill where you know he you could tell he's
Speaker 1: just a competitor. I mean, I need to feel like
Speaker 1: we're that's the buzzword with with Baker. But it fits
Speaker 1: it just it fits who his play style it fits.
Speaker 1: You know how he performs when the lights are on,
Speaker 1: he just he steps up and he just does it.
Speaker 1: You know, He's just a natural play in the quarterback position.
Speaker 1: Why am I so in love with Shaqim Griffin? Because? Why?
Speaker 1: Why am I so in love with him? The the
Speaker 1: linebacker from Central Florida? Because how do how do you
Speaker 1: not if you don't, if you don't like Chachim Griffin?
Speaker 1: And when he offers, tell me why? I you know
Speaker 1: what we saw all that tape and I hate to
Speaker 1: keep talking about him, but to see him live, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I I just I can't even the words
Speaker 1: for me. Him rushing the passer and stuff today and
Speaker 1: they were dropping him in some things. I mean, we
Speaker 1: got to figure it out. I mean, we got to
Speaker 1: figure out where he goes. I mean it's always always know,
Speaker 1: yeah it is. That's my guy today. Let's get down
Speaker 1: to brass techs. Where are you drafting him? You're taking
Speaker 1: him in the fourth? Aren't you? Total badass? No missing
Speaker 1: a hand? Yeah again, because you have to again the
Speaker 1: valuation part of this. What is he a starter? I
Speaker 1: can't keep myself from watching him play. That's the that's
Speaker 1: the scout in me. Looking at him and going that
Speaker 1: guy right there and makes plays, and then and then
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, I'm like, but Brian,
Speaker 1: he doesn't have a left hand, and he's two hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty three pounds, and where are you gonna play him?
Speaker 1: He's a tick above six foot. If you have a
Speaker 1: how just makes plays. If you have a specific role
Speaker 1: for him, then you know, yeah, put him on the
Speaker 1: field and him tackle people. That's my role for if
Speaker 1: it only is that easy? Yeah, I wait, you know
Speaker 1: you're talking to a guy. I'm doing radio now because
Speaker 1: I couldn't find enough guys like him. Well. One thing
Speaker 1: I thought was interesting was the Texans practice. This is
Speaker 1: an All Star game. It's four three bass? Oh what
Speaker 1: do they do with him? During the Houston? Yeah practice,
Speaker 1: they mixed in a little three fourth. They sure did.
Speaker 1: They sure did. From USC same thing. Stand him up,
Speaker 1: let him. Yeah, another guy, another guy that nobody could
Speaker 1: block today. Yeah, when you get when you coach these guys,
Speaker 1: you get to do what you want. You're like, you
Speaker 1: know what, let's see what this guy can do. You
Speaker 1: know what? They were doing everybody a favor though, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they were. They were doing everybody a favorite. That's what
Speaker 1: these coaches to do that. I mean, wow, going way back,
Speaker 1: Marcus Smith from Louisville did the same thing, like she
Speaker 1: moved in and out. Yeah, they do that. Do you
Speaker 1: have a player today fell in love? Don't fall in
Speaker 1: love with my guy because he's my guy. I don't
Speaker 1: think I was too surprised by anything. I mean, the
Speaker 1: Fort Hayes d tackle I like a lot. Talk about
Speaker 1: him a little bit, Shepherd. That might be a tell
Speaker 1: me more guy one day. Right. Yeah, he dominated a
Speaker 1: D two tape, so you know, it's kind of one
Speaker 1: of those things where you have high expectations, but you
Speaker 1: kind of you temper them a little bit based on,
Speaker 1: you know, the competition he was going up against on
Speaker 1: that tape. But he came here and he proved he belonged. Uh,
Speaker 1: big guy power, but he also moves. He's nimble. Uh.
Speaker 1: One of my favorites of Harrison Phillips. Uh. Stanford. There's
Speaker 1: a Stanford guy, and I talked to him today. You're
Speaker 1: about higher on him real quick. Tell me about what Harris.
Speaker 1: Give me a person, give me a personal He went
Speaker 1: to Stanford obviously in and I um, I thought it
Speaker 1: was really interesting because the main thing he was talking about,
Speaker 1: and that a lot of these guys tackle, yeah, well,
Speaker 1: like what what do you do well? What don't you
Speaker 1: do well? Or And the big thing with them is
Speaker 1: actually Brian O'Neill even said, he's like, now are you
Speaker 1: asking me what I don't think I do well? Or
Speaker 1: are you asking me about what people say I don't
Speaker 1: do well? Which I thought was a really interesting tackle
Speaker 1: from Pitt the first round offensive tackle from Stanford. Though
Speaker 1: um he was basically he's like, you know, I get
Speaker 1: pigeonholed and people think I can only do one thing.
Speaker 1: But if you want me to two gap and read
Speaker 1: the play, I think I can. If you want me
Speaker 1: to brush the passer, I think. You know, penetrate, I think,
Speaker 1: and I mean, all these guys are supremely confident. But
Speaker 1: that was the main thing I took away. As you know,
Speaker 1: he declares himself a very versatile guy. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you all agree with that. I think so. I mean,
Speaker 1: he was a nose tackle and Stanfords three four, but
Speaker 1: you watch him, he did a little bit of everything,
Speaker 1: and he's he's a right place at the right time
Speaker 1: kind of guy. And that's not by accident. You don't
Speaker 1: have over one hundred tackles in one season as a
Speaker 1: nose tackle if you're not talented, not just physically, but
Speaker 1: between the years, understand you know what's going, what the
Speaker 1: offense wants to do in the right place at the
Speaker 1: right time. Those instincts and he has them. It's a
Speaker 1: big reason why to me, Harrison Phillips somewhere in that
Speaker 1: late first round, that's where you're trying to consider him.
Speaker 1: Late first round? Yeah, absolutely, so the overall or is
Speaker 1: that not late enough? I think they'll be better players
Speaker 1: on the board at nineteen. But I mean I think, yeah, wow,
Speaker 1: you're SMI why, I know, I thought you were gonna
Speaker 1: say in the fifty. I thought you're gonna say it fifty.
Speaker 1: I didn't think Phillips. Yeah, he should be long gone
Speaker 1: by then. In my opinion, Yeah, I think you should
Speaker 1: be long. Okay, Well let me ask you this though.
Speaker 1: If you're trading back in the round, you know, say
Speaker 1: you have to move back and one of those guards,
Speaker 1: one of the guards are availed. But you go back
Speaker 1: in the draft and we've talked about her Nandez, you know,
Speaker 1: we've talked about those guys. I mean, well, Win Phillips,
Speaker 1: Win or Hernandez for the Dallas Cowboys. I mean, and
Speaker 1: I think of those three if you trade back, say
Speaker 1: you're in that in that Travis Frederick situation where you
Speaker 1: hit it at thirty, you go from nineteen to thirty.
Speaker 1: I would take Phillips firstly because I think he's a
Speaker 1: he's a first round player. Yeah, of course you do.
Speaker 1: I mean I like Win and I like Hernandez too,
Speaker 1: But to me, those they're both early seconds, you know,
Speaker 1: like somewhere between thirty five and fifty. Yeah, and so
Speaker 1: I you know, you take you take four Phillips a
Speaker 1: lot more than me. Yeah, that's fine. That's He's not
Speaker 1: a he's not the best athlete out there, but he's
Speaker 1: athletic enough. He's not the strongest guy out there, but
Speaker 1: he's strong enough. You can see that wrestling background, right,
Speaker 1: you know when he plays, and again, the instincts, I
Speaker 1: think that's what really separates him. Uh so, I yeah,
Speaker 1: plug him in at the one and yeah, I'm a
Speaker 1: big fan of that. Give me, give me the diffender,
Speaker 1: Just give me the defender. Will worry about you would
Speaker 1: rather the one than the guard? Yeah, yeah, I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let Jonathan Cooper. Are we too high then
Speaker 1: on those two the two guards, then no, just this
Speaker 1: is my opinion unless I listen to your opinions. Nelson,
Speaker 1: I'm not drafting an offensive lineman in the first round
Speaker 1: to find the Cowboys. Damn No, thanks, Not a single
Speaker 1: one unless it's Quentin Nelson. There you go. It's the
Speaker 1: only one I would draft, and he's not. If he's
Speaker 1: there at nineteen, it's because he murdered a guy. I
Speaker 1: was gonna say a gas mask video about an hour
Speaker 1: before the draft, exactly, something's going. Something's going. It would say,
Speaker 1: actually the draft show, and then you have murder instead
Speaker 1: of the videos. It's actually a video of Quentin Nelson,
Speaker 1: and then and then and then you need you need
Speaker 1: to have a conversation. Okay, yeah, about whether or not
Speaker 1: you taking at nineteen. No, that's I'm just saying he's
Speaker 1: not gonna be there at nineteen. And then to me personally,
Speaker 1: all right, I'm going defense. I'm going to different position.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let me hit him with this one. Go
Speaker 1: for a big guy Hurst or Phillips. Then he goes
Speaker 1: to conversation, hang off drafted, You've mock drafted, Maurice hearst
Speaker 1: out of Michigan. I'm sorry, like a little five seconds.
Speaker 1: So that then it goes to the conversation about a
Speaker 1: three technique or one technique? You know, Malie Collins, Where
Speaker 1: is he better soon? One? You convinced me he's a
Speaker 1: one if you told me his best play was at one,
Speaker 1: and I thought you'd like him at one, I know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not gonna play with a bad foot.
Speaker 1: Not that I dislike him at one, but I'm not
Speaker 1: sold on it. I'm like, I'll deal with that later.
Speaker 1: Get me to training camp and I'll figure it out.
Speaker 1: Have we overrated or is everybody overrated? Vita? My feelings
Speaker 1: hasn't haven't changed. I mean, I think he's the traitor
Speaker 1: off the charts. I just there's some technique issues, some
Speaker 1: discipline issues, some effort issues. Um, I don't like him.
Speaker 1: As high as he'll go, he'll he's probably gonna go
Speaker 1: someone in the top twelve twelve picks. So if he's
Speaker 1: at nineteen, that's a no brainer for you, right Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean he's on my board, my top fifty board.
Speaker 1: He's probably gonna be somewhere between seventeen and twenty five
Speaker 1: to one him or Phillips. Probably, they probably goes there.
Speaker 1: Ryan's just making you put together a knee tackle board
Speaker 1: right now. It's January twenty three, and I'm gonna We're
Speaker 1: gonna good at what you do. And I respect your opinion. No,
Speaker 1: we still got a lot of valuall. We sure do.
Speaker 1: But I want to make sure how much I want
Speaker 1: to see how much you like Phillips. I like, I
Speaker 1: like Phillips as a late first. But I think we
Speaker 1: talked about the one techniques veya Duran Pain and then Phillips,
Speaker 1: Yeah a Pain right Alabama and from Alabama, Ryan, Yeah,
Speaker 1: probably that one. In if you look at the All
Speaker 1: Star Games, you would be like, you know, you're that guy.
Speaker 1: And then you watch the other games against the playoff games. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you watch the playoff games and you're you're you're just
Speaker 1: you're just like I said. But then you're in the season, yea,
Speaker 1: the season you're like yeah, and you're like going, yeah,
Speaker 1: not really doing very good against Ella Shoe. You know, well,
Speaker 1: who stood out the most for you today? Oh? I
Speaker 1: told you, besides Griffin, besides your love affair for Griffin,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what give me? You know who really
Speaker 1: stood out that receiver from Colorado State Gallop. I'm glad
Speaker 1: you mentioned that, wasn't I'm just gonna now you're gonna
Speaker 1: turn the tables on me here, huh no, No, don't. Okay,
Speaker 1: Like you know, full disclosure. Brian kind of mentioned this
Speaker 1: at the start of the show the first day we're
Speaker 1: in Mobile. I'm almost always bird dogging the Jones and
Speaker 1: you did a great detti on Dallas Cowboys dot Com.
Speaker 1: Don't see a lot of the first practices, and I don't.
Speaker 1: I haven't gotten to one hundred prospects yet, like you
Speaker 1: guys are two thousand, like Dane. So I've heard the
Speaker 1: name Michael Gallop, yeah a lot, and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: he was in Belinnikoff running. He's a good receiver, Colorado State.
Speaker 1: You know, just something about it didn't wow me. I'm like,
Speaker 1: he played in the Mountain West. He's probably nothing special.
Speaker 1: So I come out of the you know, I come
Speaker 1: up into the stadium out of the breezeway just in
Speaker 1: time to see Michael Gallup go through a rep, you know,
Speaker 1: and like he didn't do anything amazing. He made a
Speaker 1: nice extended cat. But I just first time I've seen
Speaker 1: him period, and at all. And I'm just like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is a different sort of cat. This is not
Speaker 1: what I was expecting when I heard Colorado State. Well,
Speaker 1: and you just you just perfectly summed up Michael Gallup
Speaker 1: like he didn't do anything amazing, but he's just consistent, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, like he consistently makes the plays that he should.
Speaker 1: He's not the biggest, not the fastest. You know, his
Speaker 1: entire skill set doesn't wow you. But he just makes
Speaker 1: plays and he's consistent. But and I get the thing
Speaker 1: that again, you know, that's my bad for underestimating a
Speaker 1: smaller school guy. But like he's he's a big, sturdy dude,
Speaker 1: like he you know, he's not the biggest receiver in
Speaker 1: the world. But I was expecting like I was expecting
Speaker 1: Lucky Whitehead, you know. And that's not fair on my part.
Speaker 1: But he just he looks the part of a dynamic
Speaker 1: He ran a route. He ran a route today. And
Speaker 1: and you're gonna get on me about this the player
Speaker 1: because it's our guy from Dubuque. Yeah, Division three, okaye.
Speaker 1: And and it's hard men, because he wasn't terrible today, No,
Speaker 1: he wasn't. Michael Joseph was not terrible today. He held
Speaker 1: his own. He did hold his own and I was
Speaker 1: worried about that. But he held his own. But gallop
Speaker 1: cork screwed him in the ground. I mean like like
Speaker 1: he gallop, I mean, did he gallop past him? It
Speaker 1: was yea captain Punn but no. But I'm just saying
Speaker 1: there's things. Watching him run routes, I was like going, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: the kid from Oklahoma State Washington wasn't bad either today
Speaker 1: in a big week for him, because yeah, we know
Speaker 1: where he wins. We know what player. Yeah, route running,
Speaker 1: how would he do that? Uh, he's got to have
Speaker 1: some work on that because every ball I saw him catch,
Speaker 1: test could test it. Yeah, Well that's good, right, because
Speaker 1: that's what he does, that's that's that's you know, we
Speaker 1: know the ball skills, strong hands. But I thought he
Speaker 1: did a nice job beating press his releases off the line.
Speaker 1: The routes. He needs to get better and that's where
Speaker 1: I'm eager to see him tomorrow and Thursday to see
Speaker 1: the progression. Yeah, with gallup, you know, I was surprised
Speaker 1: because at the way in a little underwhelming. He was
Speaker 1: under two hundred pounds, his arms were under thirty one inches.
Speaker 1: You know, he just he doesn't physically value kind of
Speaker 1: think what we're talking about. But during practice he just
Speaker 1: caught everything to him. He was and some of those
Speaker 1: balls weren't exactly to him. No, not with Josh Allen
Speaker 1: throwing to him that it was like, yeah, and you
Speaker 1: gotta handle that fastball because Alan he can let it loose. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's he throws a fastball. And so Gallup had himself
Speaker 1: a nice day. I think, you know, we look at
Speaker 1: these wide receivers. We talked about it in the preview. Yeah,
Speaker 1: with these wide receivers separate themselves. Uh you know because
Speaker 1: James Washington and eight men and and Gallup. Heyman's a
Speaker 1: teammate of his Oklahoma state, right. I mean, all these
Speaker 1: wide receivers are kind of log jam, second, third, fourth round.
Speaker 1: Who would kind of step up and say I'm the
Speaker 1: top wide receiver here and here's why, Uh you know,
Speaker 1: And I don't think anyone did that on day one.
Speaker 1: But we saw positive things from Gallop, from James Washington
Speaker 1: and Alan Lazard I thought did some good things. But
Speaker 1: the drops kind of bothered me. How about the day.
Speaker 1: Speaking of drops, what about a guy from Missouri. Yeah,
Speaker 1: jim On Moore. Everything was tell me, I don't mean
Speaker 1: to bash on a kid, right, but man, he looked
Speaker 1: I don't know if he nervous. And I'm you know,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to again, Jay Mom Moore from Missouri, and
Speaker 1: I don't want to get missouri folks mad at me.
Speaker 1: But no, I think Missouri's folks understand because there's some
Speaker 1: of that on his tape. He plays fast at times,
Speaker 1: you know, when he gets a little he doesn't play
Speaker 1: under control. And that's the difference between him and like
Speaker 1: a Galloper or some of these other guys who understand
Speaker 1: how to use the body and nuance and their routes
Speaker 1: to beat defensive backs where everything's so fast and he
Speaker 1: loses focus. He jumps when he doesn't need to, he
Speaker 1: falls away from the catch when he's trying to make
Speaker 1: the catch. There's just a lot he needs to improve on.
Speaker 1: In day two. In day three, because it was not
Speaker 1: a good day for Yeah, I was, you know, you
Speaker 1: never want to see these kids struggle. And it got
Speaker 1: to the point where every time I looked up, he
Speaker 1: was dropping a ball. Yeah, And I'm like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: there's something wrong here, you know. And Dane I think
Speaker 1: bright lights many That's that's for sure. That is for
Speaker 1: sure on that Okay, ken't I'm looking at you right now?
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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Draft Show live from Mobile, Alabama,
Speaker 1: Day one of the Senior Bowl in the books. We'll
Speaker 1: be on with you guys as well tomorrow, probably a
Speaker 1: little bit earlier time. Make sure you're following at the
Speaker 1: Draft Show and we'll tweet out the times. But same setup.
Speaker 1: Day two. North South practice will be back full pads
Speaker 1: to Mark too, so that'll be good. See a lot
Speaker 1: of contact going on to get a little bit better idea. Okay,
Speaker 1: with all that being said, I owe you guys some
Speaker 1: Twitter questions. So Dave, what do you got? All right?
Speaker 1: We'll start off this is a good one. It's a
Speaker 1: guy that that we have and we'll talk a lot
Speaker 1: about a polarizing guy because we said maybe you know,
Speaker 1: had had a bit of an acclamation period today, but
Speaker 1: had a great way in I'm talking about Marcus Davenport. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it just seems like he's one of these guys
Speaker 1: that he's got widely differing evaluations. Um, you know, it
Speaker 1: didn't look like a top fifteen player today. Okay, well,
Speaker 1: so Carlos, Carlos wants to know basically why, like what
Speaker 1: you know and how do y'all feel about him and reconciling?
Speaker 1: Then can I can I put my theory out there
Speaker 1: about playing on two feet in a two point stance
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden having to put his
Speaker 1: hand on the ground and then figure that out, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean I think that to me, I think there
Speaker 1: was some uncomfortable moments for him today rushing the passer there,
Speaker 1: and I felt like that, you know, step up in
Speaker 1: weight class too, some of the offensive tackles he was
Speaker 1: having to deal with. But I didn't see a guy
Speaker 1: initially that looked like a dominating player that. I mean,
Speaker 1: this tape at San Antonio is outstanding. I thought, to
Speaker 1: the point where you were thinking, oh, yeah, he could
Speaker 1: be a top fifteen pick, but today didn't see the passion.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I did see. I did see
Speaker 1: a guy extend play with some strength. Two hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty nine pounds, by the way, I think some of
Speaker 1: the time during the year, he might have been two
Speaker 1: thirty eight, so he's put on some weight. But I
Speaker 1: did see some extension, did see the ball have a
Speaker 1: hard time getting to the outside of him. They played
Speaker 1: him at left end. He wasn't a rite end, so
Speaker 1: they put him at left and they kicked him inside,
Speaker 1: and they kicked him inside a tack when you're right.
Speaker 1: And he looked awful. I thought I was expecting the opposite,
Speaker 1: expecting him to look good. Okay, I thought some of
Speaker 1: his best plays in practice came from inside outside. Yeah,
Speaker 1: now this is what we're talking about here, because there's
Speaker 1: no there's just different. No, he didn't have a great practice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a traits player. That's what you'd excited about him.
Speaker 1: And you know, it's funny because I I really liked
Speaker 1: him over the summer, I really liked him earlier this fall,
Speaker 1: and I thought, you know, this guy's gonna be a
Speaker 1: top one hundred pick. Right in my first mock draft
Speaker 1: backed in November, I put him in my first round. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the top ten, top fifteen. Talk as a little much, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean because you know, you're really banking on everything
Speaker 1: clicking for him, which it might, right, but you're drafting
Speaker 1: and based on the traits, uh, you know, the basketball background,
Speaker 1: the athleticism, he's gonna look, he's gonna do a great
Speaker 1: job to combine the article. He might hit forty, right,
Speaker 1: that's the plans. Yeah, so you get excited about the athleticism,
Speaker 1: the potential, but you can tell how raw he is
Speaker 1: based on these practices, like he's still kind of figuring
Speaker 1: things out, you know, the move to move transition. Uh.
Speaker 1: You know one thing I thought or that really stood
Speaker 1: out to me when he was facing Alex Kappa from
Speaker 1: humblest Division two, who had a nice first it wasn't bad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: offensive line play and pass rush. It's kind of a
Speaker 1: race to see who can break down the opponent's rhythm first, right,
Speaker 1: And I thought Kappa got the most of uh of
Speaker 1: utsa right, more than you know, a couple of times, right.
Speaker 1: And so he did a nice job of kind of
Speaker 1: you know, taking him out of it. Whatever plan that
Speaker 1: Davenport had, Kappa took it away and he couldn't encounter
Speaker 1: in time. So yeah, we're still seeing how how unseasoned
Speaker 1: he is as a player. Uh. And you know, we
Speaker 1: talked a lot about Taco Charloton being a similar in
Speaker 1: a similar way. Say that. No, I mean, I mean
Speaker 1: that in a way. But no, we were I felt
Speaker 1: like that we painted a picture what Taco really was. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I hear you and to me, and Taco was a
Speaker 1: late first round and we're talking about Davenport has been
Speaker 1: a possible top fifteen. Yeah, I mean, go everything. I
Speaker 1: think most of what we said about Taco in the
Speaker 1: build up last year probably played out pretty well on
Speaker 1: the field. But yeah, I like I like Raw. I
Speaker 1: don't like Raw and a quarterback. I'm fine with Raw
Speaker 1: and a pass rusher. That's that's my attitude about that.
Speaker 1: I'm interested about that about the defensive tackle because I
Speaker 1: felt like there was a couple of times I looked
Speaker 1: down there and he wasn't getting off the ball, you know,
Speaker 1: and I was why, And that was why I was
Speaker 1: just kind of watching it, going Okay, now he looks worse,
Speaker 1: don't put him inside. But hey, I trust you, because again,
Speaker 1: if you describe how we have it, it's seniorable. We're
Speaker 1: in the press box and there's a lot of things
Speaker 1: going on. Yeah, I mean there's like a lot of
Speaker 1: drills on the field and you're trying to you're trying
Speaker 1: to keep an eye on the offensive defensive line. You've
Speaker 1: got middle drill going on with the with the linebackers
Speaker 1: and backs, and oh down, here's the one on one.
Speaker 1: So a couple of times, I mean, I just didn't
Speaker 1: see it. But you know, I again, I thought they're
Speaker 1: playing the run was better than what he was as
Speaker 1: a pass rusher today. Keep this brief because we talked
Speaker 1: about it before the break, but Warrior for Life once
Speaker 1: a head to head comparison of Gallop and James Washington,
Speaker 1: which I think is fair just because you're I mean,
Speaker 1: we're talking about them being in a similar range as
Speaker 1: far as grades go, right, Yeah, it goes back to
Speaker 1: what we said about who's going to separate themselves, And
Speaker 1: I thought on day one I thought both played well.
Speaker 1: I don't think one separated on themselves from the other.
Speaker 1: But Gallup's just that he's solid, well around it, doesn't
Speaker 1: have a lot of weaknesses. He's not gonna vowue. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: James Washington has arguably the strongest hands in this draft.
Speaker 1: He can win contested situations vertically, he can stack the corner,
Speaker 1: gain a step and go better than Gallop can. Although
Speaker 1: Gallup did get a few vertical chances. Yeah today and
Speaker 1: practice did a nice job. So I think with Washington
Speaker 1: you have probably higher upside as a player, but as
Speaker 1: a route runner, Gallop gets the edge. And that's that
Speaker 1: he is absolutely right. You get to the NFL talk
Speaker 1: about technical skill with receivers, that route running ability can
Speaker 1: be the difference, and right now, Gallop gets the edge there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I totally agree. I'm just reading my notes on Gallop
Speaker 1: from watching Oregon State, Colorado, Alabama, Emboise those games, and
Speaker 1: Dane painted the accurate picture exactly what my note said here.
Speaker 1: And I like how that he can win off the line.
Speaker 1: I think that you know, you see him high point balls,
Speaker 1: go go get it, He'll run, comebacks to the ball,
Speaker 1: stop start quickness. But the last line is runs routes.
Speaker 1: Well that's that to me, right there is what you're
Speaker 1: talking about. Washington is still a work in progress when
Speaker 1: it comes to route running, except when it's a vertical route.
Speaker 1: We've seen him get past people. When it's a vertical route,
Speaker 1: he will separate. I don't like that, but to me,
Speaker 1: that's where Gallop again that's the kind of the head
Speaker 1: to head all right, received We have not mentioned this
Speaker 1: guy at all, which I got a few questions about this,
Speaker 1: which leads me to believe he must have popped on
Speaker 1: NFL network or something because Jeff and a few other
Speaker 1: people want to know about Dave Sean Hamilton. He had
Speaker 1: himself a very good good day of practice. Uh, Penn
Speaker 1: State wide receiver. Sorry, that's my job. Yeah, these the
Speaker 1: wide receivers in the north practice. We talked about Gallop
Speaker 1: a couple of other lazard, but Hamilton, he just went
Speaker 1: out there and made plays. Yeah. I mean he caught
Speaker 1: the ball well away from his body. Uh, he was
Speaker 1: using subtle moves as a route runner to create that
Speaker 1: spacing randan out one time where I felt like he
Speaker 1: was here and did a nice job securing the ball,
Speaker 1: you know, get the feet down that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: And that was one where he did not roll out
Speaker 1: the red carpet and tell the dB right there was off.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. I mean, so he did a nice I
Speaker 1: think that might have been Penn State on Penn State crime.
Speaker 1: There was Christian Campbell the corner, right, but yeah, he
Speaker 1: did a nice job. So I thought, you know, he's
Speaker 1: another guy. It's not gonna value from a heightweight, speed perspective,
Speaker 1: but he's just a solid player. First time I've seen
Speaker 1: him play myself. Oh man, I haven't seen I haven't
Speaker 1: seen him any other thing. But he's Penn State's all
Speaker 1: time leader and catches. Yeah, I mean he's he's got
Speaker 1: the resume. Yeah that Penn State has been playing football
Speaker 1: for a little bit, so a few years. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: has the resume. And you know, the combine is not
Speaker 1: gonna you know, Chris Godwin last year from Penn State,
Speaker 1: right ran like a four to four one or whatever
Speaker 1: it was, and he kind of, you know, created some buzz.
Speaker 1: I don't expect that from Hamilton. You know, he's not
Speaker 1: gonna have explode at the combine, but here in this
Speaker 1: type of settings where he can really impress. And I
Speaker 1: thought he did on the day. I got a stack
Speaker 1: Another day tomorrow. That's the thing we'll see tomorrow. If
Speaker 1: the buzz is about him, that it's all about. You know,
Speaker 1: we talk about guys that you know, two three days
Speaker 1: go up and then you know we've we've seen, especially
Speaker 1: a receiver, it's hard for receivers to keep momentum. How
Speaker 1: many times have we've been at training camp. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden we get two weeks in and
Speaker 1: the receivers start to fall apart, one of the most
Speaker 1: obvious positions where your screw ups are, like, I mean,
Speaker 1: any but he can see him, right. That's that's why
Speaker 1: to me, the corner wide receiver one on one battles,
Speaker 1: those are my favorite. There's nowhere to hide in those battles,
Speaker 1: So those are a lot of fun this week. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm glad you mentioned that you hadn't had a chance
Speaker 1: to watch him, Brian, because uh and Dane, excuse yourself
Speaker 1: from this, because you've seen everybody, but Johnny wants to
Speaker 1: know about a guy that you haven't seen much of,
Speaker 1: who you know, you like, you like the look of them,
Speaker 1: They passed the eye test, they had a good first
Speaker 1: day whatever, And I mean, all right, it can be
Speaker 1: a guy that you haven't watched that much of whatever.
Speaker 1: I mean, you guys have watched the majority of the
Speaker 1: guys that are here. Can I give you a guy? Yeah,
Speaker 1: who do you go? I didn't know anything about Danny Johnson,
Speaker 1: a cornerback from Southern Louisiana. Louisiana, what up? Baton rouge boy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and uh and I he's a Southern Jaguar. He's five nine,
Speaker 1: he's one eighty two. He's not gonna wow you with
Speaker 1: the measurables part of it. And he was not even
Speaker 1: a high priority guy, to be honest with you. I
Speaker 1: look at my players off Dane's boards. That's how I start,
Speaker 1: and so I look, you know, I take the top
Speaker 1: guys to go through. I've done one hundred and three
Speaker 1: players now, so I'm on my way. But I have
Speaker 1: not seen Danny Johnson. And here's a guy that showed
Speaker 1: up that you know, and I I he might not
Speaker 1: have the skill of the other smaller corners that we've seen,
Speaker 1: but I was impressed with his movement and he wasn't
Speaker 1: shy about jumping routes and playing routes and contesting the football.
Speaker 1: There were two snaps where when I saw him on
Speaker 1: a slant just and that's a if you're a corner
Speaker 1: and you're playing the slant and you're making it a
Speaker 1: contested play, you got my vote. And then he turned
Speaker 1: around and then the next thing you know, they're running
Speaker 1: out on him. And who's driving downhill to contest that ball?
Speaker 1: That guy, Danny Johnson cornerback, Southern University of Baton roof.
Speaker 1: He's cut yeah, oh yeah, very little fat on that body.
Speaker 1: But he's just you strike a match on him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a smaller guy. I mean when I watched his tape,
Speaker 1: it's kind of hard to get a fuel for him
Speaker 1: because in the MEAC they didn't throw at him much. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they knew how good of a player he is, right,
Speaker 1: Uh so the South Carolina State tape. Um, this is
Speaker 1: why the Senior Bowl works exactly. This is why you
Speaker 1: give Phil Savage credit. But putting together some guys you know,
Speaker 1: from Dubuque and from Southern and places like that, because
Speaker 1: let him compete against some big guys. Sure, you don't know,
Speaker 1: you really don't know. And you know, Danny Johnson probably
Speaker 1: won't be he's probably a Day three guy, if but yeah,
Speaker 1: if that right, But you know what, he probably will
Speaker 1: find his way on someone's team. Malcolm Butler wasn't a
Speaker 1: Day three Yeah, yeah, no, it's you know, it's there's
Speaker 1: not a the end on his story yet. But for
Speaker 1: a player that's undersized like that, you need to be
Speaker 1: never walk on water, Yeah, you need to be above
Speaker 1: average in at least one other category and I just
Speaker 1: haven't seen that yet from him, but a maybe tomorrow
Speaker 1: or Thursday, he will give me one day. Um, you've
Speaker 1: watched him all. I know you've seen everybody. But whatever,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think the Brandon Parker kid from North
Speaker 1: Carolina A and T, the tackle uh had some good reps.
Speaker 1: Yeah he did. I think he kept some guys wide. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean foot you know kind of. He did play.
Speaker 1: I think a little better than I expected based on
Speaker 1: you know, the tape, because again he's more of a
Speaker 1: trades player, uh from North Carolina A and T. But
Speaker 1: I thought, yeah, he had a good day today. They
Speaker 1: got to play better than I expected him to. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, we know how you feel about Griffin Brian,
Speaker 1: but um, I'm sorry if that's no, no, no, no no,
Speaker 1: that's my pet cat to everybody out there, he's my
Speaker 1: pet cat. If the Cowboys drafted him, if we're all
Speaker 1: sitting in there at the Star and he gets drafted,
Speaker 1: you're gonna see, like you know, you're gonna see a cheer,
Speaker 1: a big cheer. But he probably won't get drafted. Linebackers
Speaker 1: team like Seattle or some linebackers who's stuck out. And
Speaker 1: this is I mean that's that. This is not a
Speaker 1: star sune. This is the theme now because people are
Speaker 1: getting nervous about needs. Yeah, they're getting nervous about there's
Speaker 1: not a lot of linebackers on that board. Yeah. Steve Thomas.
Speaker 1: Steven Thomas is traveling with us, our buddies. Steven's traveling
Speaker 1: with us from California. And we had this discussion this
Speaker 1: morning at the waffle house about that. I wish i'd
Speaker 1: been invited. Yeah, well we we had a private meeting.
Speaker 1: Steven and I had this discussion about numbers of guys
Speaker 1: on the board and if you have a deep position,
Speaker 1: if you have a like the wide receiver position is
Speaker 1: really deep, which is it? Real quick? Yeah, wide receiver?
Speaker 1: What else are we saying? Yeah, okay, see see that's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Do you Yeah, you're having to evaluate
Speaker 1: a small number of linebackers and so we're are you
Speaker 1: looking at this saying, man, we have got to make
Speaker 1: this happen now. We can't wait, we can't wait for
Speaker 1: this thing to come back. And that's the problem. Roquan
Speaker 1: Edmonds or bust, Well, it might be you have to go.
Speaker 1: You might have to go if that if it's one
Speaker 1: of those things if it gets down again, I've looked
Speaker 1: at only one hundred and three players, but I feel
Speaker 1: like I've looked at his top linebackers so far, you know,
Speaker 1: And so if it's one of those things where okay,
Speaker 1: I mean, I was talking some scouts this morning in
Speaker 1: the way and about Edmonds other teams, Like my guy said, hey,
Speaker 1: can play all the positions, can play all the position.
Speaker 1: He's not gonna be there for you. I went, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: and then I asked another guy, what about this? H
Speaker 1: what about Smith? Great traits, you know, gets the ball.
Speaker 1: He won't be there when you're picked, though, you know,
Speaker 1: So now you're getting disheartened. Well that's what you think.
Speaker 1: You don't know when well, I don't know. You don't
Speaker 1: know when we're picking. That's what I'm saying, though, Well,
Speaker 1: is it makes sense? Though, the conversation that Steve and
Speaker 1: I had this morning, does it make sense? Is that
Speaker 1: a position you might have to go up and get one?
Speaker 1: You always want to do this. You're always trying to
Speaker 1: get me in day to trade the pick away. Well,
Speaker 1: I want to go up, That's what I'm saying. You
Speaker 1: want to tread, you want I mean to go up
Speaker 1: and get rid of something, and I don't want to
Speaker 1: it's either one of those. Is Smith more worth it
Speaker 1: than Edmunds? I prefer Smith? Okay, let me ask you this,
Speaker 1: Does Edmonds make sense if you moved Jalen Smith to
Speaker 1: Sam linebacker and let him be a rusher? We saw
Speaker 1: him rush, I know, but that just doesn't seem like
Speaker 1: a good enough role for a guy that you spent
Speaker 1: a top forty pick on. How much does her Sam
Speaker 1: even play well? But does it, excuse me? Does it
Speaker 1: give him the opportunity to continue his upward climb? Are
Speaker 1: we ready to say we saw him play thirty five
Speaker 1: forty snaps and it was fine, but we we do
Speaker 1: we I'm not ready to say. And I'm I'm not
Speaker 1: saying he's gonna be trying to get an ideas here, guys,
Speaker 1: but I'm trying to But I'm not ready to close
Speaker 1: that book on Jalen as just a regular No. But well,
Speaker 1: if you're trying to make him a nickel rusher, that's
Speaker 1: what you're telling me, that's fine. I'm gonna tilt the
Speaker 1: conversation a little. But here's the linebacker we haven't talked about. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's the question I was that was yeah, okay, probably
Speaker 1: third round. I'm thinking maybe Trey Williams from Auburn. Oh god,
Speaker 1: did he have a hit today. Got some got some
Speaker 1: questions about him that I didn't write down because he
Speaker 1: blew Who'd he blow up? The running back Penny Penny?
Speaker 1: It was more it was more of a miss block
Speaker 1: by the offensive line misassignment. But yeah, Williams did not
Speaker 1: hesitate to stick his nose in and he pick up
Speaker 1: the ball and run. He knocked the ball out of
Speaker 1: Penny's hand and then takes off run. It was physical.
Speaker 1: His play speed, you know, it's something you like. I
Speaker 1: think you know in the third round six oh one,
Speaker 1: six two thirty nine. Yeah, I mean he's he's a
Speaker 1: well built, bringing on speed guy. So yeah, there's plenty
Speaker 1: to like there. I think hit people again at nineteen
Speaker 1: if you get wiped out at linebacker meeting Rokuon and
Speaker 1: Tremaine Edmonds, Is he a mike? Yeah? I think, I
Speaker 1: mean that's probably he doesn't want to get rid of
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith. Well I not get rid of it, but
Speaker 1: you need you need another guy. That's this whole conversation.
Speaker 1: Need Edmonds because he could play all the spot, that
Speaker 1: would be nice. But even I mean, you know, even
Speaker 1: if it's just another guy who can play Mike and
Speaker 1: either spell Jalen or do the job for him, if
Speaker 1: you can't play either way, and in the third round,
Speaker 1: you feel better about that, Yeah, I do. First round
Speaker 1: Dane comment, I don't. I don't want to draft a
Speaker 1: linebacker at nineteen anyway. I just feel like you maybe
Speaker 1: need to to protect yourself. There's three names up there.
Speaker 1: If you're telling me I can get a guy at
Speaker 1: eighty one to do the same thing I'm trying to
Speaker 1: do at nineteen, I'm so to throw your pen in
Speaker 1: the in the room when he gets picked before eighty one,
Speaker 1: Oh for sure. I just learned this guy's name. Final no, no, no.
Speaker 1: But we have to watch the tape on him, of course,
Speaker 1: and we do. That's uh, you know, going back to
Speaker 1: the whole conversation about linebackers. You know, is a guy
Speaker 1: like that that you would think is normally a third
Speaker 1: or fourth round pick and get pushed up, especially after
Speaker 1: he I think he'll test well, yeah, you know, is
Speaker 1: he gonna get pushed up because of the linebackers. You
Speaker 1: don't love the depth in this class, so I like
Speaker 1: that could go ahead of where you would normally expect
Speaker 1: him to go. I mean, we talk about the first
Speaker 1: round linebackers. It's there's going to be a ripple effect,
Speaker 1: you know, Josie Jewel. Will he be there in the
Speaker 1: second round? You know he maybe he gets snatched up.
Speaker 1: The same thing with this this guy from Alburn. I've
Speaker 1: got Williams. I've got a great Trey William Tyne today
Speaker 1: new pet cat. Haven't watched it down. Um you saw
Speaker 1: him hit somebody today. This is bad. Great. This is
Speaker 1: a great sort of behind the scenes question that I
Speaker 1: think you can answer, Brian, which I really want to
Speaker 1: hear about Craig. It's really it's weird and nebulous. The
Speaker 1: Cowboys are making a boatload of coaching changes. They have
Speaker 1: not announced hardly any of them. Yeah, we have. We
Speaker 1: have a fairly good idea that Kellen Moore is coming
Speaker 1: on in some kind of capacity, right not got that
Speaker 1: from the owner in general manager today Jerry basically said
Speaker 1: we signed him to a deal. I don't want to
Speaker 1: say what it's for, but he's a career core it
Speaker 1: makes sense to think he'd be the quarterbacks coach. I'm
Speaker 1: not He's not helping the offensive line, right, Not one
Speaker 1: hundred percent sure why we can't just say that, but whatever, So, uh,
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore's coming on Chris Richard is is coming on
Speaker 1: secondary's coach in about him passing game coordinator um Sanjay
Speaker 1: Lal has We do know he has been hired as
Speaker 1: the new receiver's coach, Paul Alexander. We talked about him
Speaker 1: at the top of the show regardless. So a lot
Speaker 1: of new faces joining that room is basically what I'm
Speaker 1: trying to say, and Craig wants to know. And I
Speaker 1: think it's a really good question. How do these new
Speaker 1: sorts of hires or how do they or will they
Speaker 1: affect the type of players that you're looking for in
Speaker 1: this draft, because I got to imagine Chris Richard has
Speaker 1: a vastly different idea of what he wants. Then there's
Speaker 1: people to believe that Chris Richard would play Barn Jones
Speaker 1: at corner. That's the I mean, that's the rumor that
Speaker 1: you're starting to hear, which I don't even know how
Speaker 1: that rumor has started. Because fans, our fans are smart
Speaker 1: Stephen Jones, which you're right, I mean, you can sort
Speaker 1: of look at his body type and guests. But Stephen
Speaker 1: Jones told me to my face two hours ago that
Speaker 1: may haven't even had those meetings about their personnel. This
Speaker 1: is where. This is where Chris Rashad and Paul Alexander
Speaker 1: and Sanjay Lyle this is where. Now that's why they're
Speaker 1: not here. Yeah, they're back in Dallas watching pornover tape
Speaker 1: getting an idea. They have not had the personnel meeting
Speaker 1: that you traditionally have with your coaching staff after the season,
Speaker 1: so they're now trying to prep Now, what will happen
Speaker 1: is can these guys influence who plays where where. I
Speaker 1: think you have to listen if they come with reasonable
Speaker 1: sure opinions. And it's i mean, knowing where Richard is
Speaker 1: coming from, it's easy to look at Byron Jones and say, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: that guy wants Byron Jones to play corner. I think
Speaker 1: it's it's probably premature to say that's what's going to happen,
Speaker 1: but I get where that's coming from. But what do
Speaker 1: you do with a Woosier? Then? Well you could, I
Speaker 1: mean you could conceivably play a safety. But like that,
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean you have to move him. No, I'm
Speaker 1: just asking do you you mean he's your stars, your
Speaker 1: starting left corner as of right now, I would assume.
Speaker 1: So if you're trying to move Byron, see, I just
Speaker 1: want Byron to be the handyman, dime back. That's what
Speaker 1: I want. Just yeah, play the tight end and do
Speaker 1: a bunch of stuff and move around and don't worry
Speaker 1: about being out on the boundary. Let's we'll let other
Speaker 1: people handle that. Yeah, he's uniquely gifted to do stuff
Speaker 1: that nobody else can. So that's what I want him
Speaker 1: to do. There's a lot of people that are ready
Speaker 1: to move on from him. I know they're calling it
Speaker 1: a bad pick. You know it's a bad pick. Mo
Speaker 1: Claiborne was a bad pick. I saw you. It's I'm
Speaker 1: laughing because I saw you having this argument on Twitter
Speaker 1: a couple of minutes ago. Yeah. No, no, I mean
Speaker 1: a bad pick at six. I'll say, considering when you
Speaker 1: watch Fletcher Cox play, I'll say this, or Michael Brockers,
Speaker 1: I think Byron Byron Jones is a guy who like
Speaker 1: he has swung from one end, Like he used to
Speaker 1: be vastly underrated for what he did his training camp practices.
Speaker 1: You thought he was going to make the Pro Bowl, Yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure. And I think he's become he's become the
Speaker 1: guy everybody wants to throw out the door, which I
Speaker 1: think is a little unfair. But I think it's also
Speaker 1: probably fair to say that if you're if you're not
Speaker 1: sure you want to pick up your first round picks,
Speaker 1: fifth year option, that's not great. Yeah, you want to
Speaker 1: ideally be like, well, obviously we're picking up his option.
Speaker 1: When do you think we're nuts? That's what you want.
Speaker 1: So the fact that you're debating it, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: say it was a bad pick. It's a disappointing pick
Speaker 1: as it is right now. I think that's fair to say.
Speaker 1: It's fair to um regardless what we got. Way off
Speaker 1: the beaten path right there. But so, what kind of
Speaker 1: voice do you think these guys could have? They could
Speaker 1: they can influencing how you're looking. It's a different it's
Speaker 1: a different it's a different voice again from the outside
Speaker 1: that they haven't heard before. If these guys come in
Speaker 1: with intelligent conversation, they will get a lot of rope.
Speaker 1: They will. You won't just say okay, thanks Paul, thanks Toogxander,
Speaker 1: we don't want to listen to you anymore. You know.
Speaker 1: But see, that's what I'm saying that that to me
Speaker 1: is where new you need to listen to new hires,
Speaker 1: especially guy like Chris Richard, who's you know, was that
Speaker 1: one of the best defenses in the league for the
Speaker 1: last ten years? Yeah? Good point. You know, Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: I mean he hey, you and heye, they're gonna listen
Speaker 1: to him? Yeah, I mean like he shut your rear
Speaker 1: down in the you know, weeks sixteen. Good point. You
Speaker 1: know why you're not gonna listen to him. If I'm
Speaker 1: Scott Land and I walk over, Hey, what did you Hey,
Speaker 1: I just took Beasley away. I took this away. I
Speaker 1: took this away and played does one on one? Couldn't
Speaker 1: do anything? Could you? You know? Not so much? Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: All right, man, that's all the time we have. Today
Speaker 1: goes fast. It does go fast. UH once again tomorrow
Speaker 1: we'll have day two of the UH the Senior Bowl
Speaker 1: from Mobile, Alabama. I want to thank Dame Burglar, David Hellman,
Speaker 1: Ken't Garrison, the executive producer. Thanks to Stephen Thomas for
Speaker 1: hanging out with us, our buddy who does so many
Speaker 1: nice things for us. We'll be back. Check out out
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Speaker 1: Hopefully we'll be a little bit earlier, but we appreciate
Speaker 1: everybody out there for your questions and the interaction you
Speaker 1: have with us. So for my guys, we'll see you
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