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Speaker 1: This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Cowboys

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Speaker 1: on your war room for insider news and draft analysis

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Speaker 1: from deep within the confines of Cowboys Headquarters at Valley Rand,

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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys Selection and now your hosts, Dane Brugler, David

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Speaker 1: Hellman and Brian brought us and welcome to the Draft

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Speaker 1: show here in Mobile, Alabama. Day one of the Senior

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Speaker 1: Bowl here. Excited to be here, Brian brought us, Dane Brugler,

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Speaker 1: David Hellman. Uh, As I said, Day one, guys of

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Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl, really an installation day, Dane, and uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, we had the wag ins in the morning

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Speaker 1: and then we had the practices in the afternoon, both

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Speaker 1: the North South getting after it today again more installation

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Speaker 1: teaching things like that. But kind of want to get

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Speaker 1: you guys comments. I know you day we're kind of

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Speaker 1: running around having to do try and track down the

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Speaker 1: owner and general manager. Really was a really busy day today.

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Speaker 1: It was a busy day for you and I know

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Speaker 1: that for all of us. But I want to get

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Speaker 1: into as we get started, I want to get into

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Speaker 1: the way in itself some surprises with you, Dane. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we'd been working on you know, when you watch this tape,

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Speaker 1: we get the heights, the weights, the speed. Some of

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Speaker 1: them are estimates, you know. Some of them are stuff

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Speaker 1: that's done from pro days in the spring. You know

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Speaker 1: some of these guys. Yeah, the body types, the weights,

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Speaker 1: the heights, all that change. Any surprises when you looked

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Speaker 1: at the way ends today, I think usually there's surprises

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Speaker 1: every year. I didn't think there were too many surprises

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Speaker 1: this year in terms of what we expected going in. Yeah, Um,

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Speaker 1: Desmond Harrison coming in at two hundred and seventy nine pounds.

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Speaker 1: That was surprising to me, the offensive tackle from Georgia.

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Speaker 1: And it wasn't only just the weight, but just his frame.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't have a typical offensive tackle frame. He'll probably

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Speaker 1: be able to get it up to mid two nineties

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Speaker 1: by the combine. But I don't know which wasn't impressed

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Speaker 1: with this frame. I think the rest of it, uh

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Speaker 1: was more about what we thought. I think when you

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Speaker 1: look at Marcus Davenport from ETSA, right, that's how you

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Speaker 1: want an NFL defensive end of Look. Yeah, almost sixty six,

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Speaker 1: two hundred and sixty pounds, thirty four inch arms. Um.

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Speaker 1: I think Levi Wallace took a lot of heat for

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Speaker 1: being under what was one seventy six. Yeah, you're right.

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Speaker 1: I was impressed by Levi Wallace because I thought he

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Speaker 1: played day. Yeah, I'm talking about physically. Yeah, the arm

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Speaker 1: length arm, I mean, you put him in an NFL

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Speaker 1: strength and conditioning program, he'll be able to get up there.

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Speaker 1: Probably one eighty five, I think. But you know, you

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Speaker 1: can't fix short arms, and he doesn't have short arms.

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Speaker 1: He has thirty three and three eighths in charge arms

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Speaker 1: for a corner. So I thought Levi Wallace was a

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Speaker 1: name that really stood out this morning. And then quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you look at Josh Allen. He just blessed

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Speaker 1: with impressive jeans because when you look at him, he's

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Speaker 1: almost six five, two hundred and thirty seven pounds over

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Speaker 1: the way as were what we expected. Anything that caught, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I was. I wanted to kind of get into and

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Speaker 1: the one note that I had you have some day,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry you was up there. I no, go ahead,

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Speaker 1: I want to see what you say. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: I was looking at these wide receivers and I was

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Speaker 1: looking at Marcel Eightman. Yeah, and here's a man that

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Speaker 1: measures six to four and is two hundred and sixteen

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Speaker 1: pounds Oklahoma state wide receiver nine hands. You know, I'm

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Speaker 1: thinking of a guy, a bigger guy, but he catches

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Speaker 1: snatching the football, the speed and all. We've talked about that,

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Speaker 1: but I was a little surprised to him being that

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Speaker 1: big and Heley having nine inch hands. Yeah, same thing

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Speaker 1: with Davenport, he only had nine inch hands. That is

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Speaker 1: interesting when you see the not quite proportionate to height

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Speaker 1: interesting part of it. That's a good observation by you. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I thought two go ahead, Dave. I'm sorry, Well no,

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Speaker 1: I just you know, I'm thinking about people listening at

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Speaker 1: like why are you talking about heights and weights? Like,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, I don't care. But I think back

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Speaker 1: to this time last year and Dane kind of had

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Speaker 1: a moment about Jordan Lewis and his measurements, and right,

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Speaker 1: you know, this was a big day for him proven

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Speaker 1: in a cornerback, right, YEAHA probably I think we the conversation,

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Speaker 1: a first round pick. Obviously, off the field stuff contributed

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Speaker 1: wonder if there's a guy that fits that category for

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Speaker 1: him that he came in at this way that type

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Speaker 1: of stuff. That's a good point because, yeah, we knew

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Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis was short, but when he came in with

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Speaker 1: thirty one in arms, that was that's yeah, that's what

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Speaker 1: got Yeah, that's what Will McClay will tell you. Right.

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Speaker 1: Will McClay is okay with the short corner as long

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Speaker 1: as he's got long arms. Right. So you know when

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Speaker 1: you think, oh, the Cowboys won't take a short corner, well,

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Speaker 1: they took a short corner. And let me tell you,

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Speaker 1: there's some really good short corners in this draft. You know,

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Speaker 1: there's some guys that Will will need to see. Uh

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Speaker 1: you know what the in fact, the arm link is

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Speaker 1: some of the you know, back to Dave's question about

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Speaker 1: kind of who we thought, you know, kind of like

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Speaker 1: at Jordan Lewis, who, Yeah, we had an idea of

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Speaker 1: what his measurables were, but he had to come in

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Speaker 1: our corner. I can't even Dane can't say that one

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Speaker 1: trumps me up every time. That's a but Okay, we

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Speaker 1: knew like he's a he's an undersized pass rush and

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Speaker 1: we knew that. Yeah, but he came in at thirty

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Speaker 1: one row five sounds fass good, good luck. Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: not there yet, no, but I'll tell you what. But

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Speaker 1: a linebacker potentially. So we'll see there one more guy

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Speaker 1: if I could point out too. And Dane's brought up

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Speaker 1: this name quite a bit because we're trying to find

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Speaker 1: that left guard at fifty. If you're trying to find

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Speaker 1: the left guard at fifty Okay, now you tap was

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Speaker 1: three hundred and forty pounds, carried it well and carried

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Speaker 1: it well, he looked. I talked to him today, Will Hernandez. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: He looks more like a tackle than a guard, honestly,

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Speaker 1: and he he's impressive. He is impressive though, And yeah,

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Speaker 1: he was three hundred and forty pounds. But I want

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Speaker 1: to go to Isaiah Win. Yeah, Isaiah Win measured in

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Speaker 1: funny built guy, kind of a longer I mean, you know, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think that gave you some comfort that if you

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Speaker 1: needed him to kick out to tackle, he could do

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Speaker 1: it right in the NFL. But I think just like

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Speaker 1: just like Zach Martin. Just like a few of these

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Speaker 1: other guys, you know, tackle to guard converts. Once they

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Speaker 1: get to the NFL level, we feel like they're best place.

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Speaker 1: They're ideally suited to go inside. I think that's with

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Speaker 1: Isaiah Win. I think he could be a ten year

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Speaker 1: mid section, right, But no, I think he plays on

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Speaker 1: his feet though. That's the one thing when you watch

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Speaker 1: this tape if yeah he did, if you if you

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Speaker 1: have a chance to watch Isaiah Win, he's a tackle

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Speaker 1: at Georgia. He rarely his uniform is rarely dirty because

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Speaker 1: he's rarely on the ground. He is one of the

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Speaker 1: that you want to do with an offensive lineman. Perfect

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Speaker 1: for what the Cowboys want to do with this game,

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Speaker 1: with the game of you know, with Paul Alexander, if

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Speaker 1: you watch the Bengals play, he'll pull those guards. Movement, yeah,

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Speaker 1: a lot of movement. Zack Martin is really good at that.

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Speaker 1: I felt like that Ron Leary redid his body two

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Speaker 1: of scheme. When is that kind of guy? And for me,

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Speaker 1: I think I think people will get on them. But

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Speaker 1: then you look at Jonathan Cooper was not a mammoth

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Speaker 1: was a similar athlete coming out of Georgia as what

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Speaker 1: Cooper was coming out of North Carolina, I see it.

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Speaker 1: I see an athletic guy. I mean, I don't see

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Speaker 1: He's still a very balanced block. If you want the strong,

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Speaker 1: bohemoth kind of guy, the big guy, it's Hernandez. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's the guy. Okay, that's that's the fifth fifth. He's

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Speaker 1: both because I think he I think he could. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I got some questions about you know, okay, three hundred

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Speaker 1: don't think he doesn't. He doesn't. He's not a sloppy guy, no,

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Speaker 1: not at all. He carries it very well. He moves

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Speaker 1: very well. He does not need to. I mean, he

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Speaker 1: needs to make sure that weight doesn't balloon the three fifty,

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Speaker 1: but at three forty, I have no problem with him

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Speaker 1: keeping that weight and still fitting zone schemes, movement pull.

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Speaker 1: He can get out in space and be just fine. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what those were a couple of things. Now,

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Speaker 1: let me ask you this though, the fact that the

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Speaker 1: draft show is about the draft. You know, we are

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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys folks here, but it's just about the draft.

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Speaker 1: I want to get into the quarterbacks real quick. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, and that really the marquee names we're on

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Speaker 1: that we're on that north side, and it came down

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Speaker 1: to with Alan and it also came down from Mayfield.

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Speaker 1: Just your initial thoughts about what you saw both quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: today throwing the football. Josh Allen was at least in

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Speaker 1: this first practice exactly what we saw on tape right Wyoming.

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Speaker 1: He'll have some throws where you watch it and it's

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Speaker 1: just it's beautiful, right it zip with the arm placement, timing,

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Speaker 1: it just looks like an NFL throw, big time throw.

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Speaker 1: We saw that today. But half the time you're impressed.

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Speaker 1: Half the time the ball placement's off, the timing's off,

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Speaker 1: and you know, in a setting like this, you kind

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Speaker 1: of give a pass to quarterbacks. They've never worked with

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Speaker 1: these receivers before. You know, it's against air, it's not

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Speaker 1: against a defense. Yes, well, talking about some of the

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Speaker 1: some of these drills, but with Allen, it was just

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Speaker 1: big reason why to me, Harrison Phillips somewhere in that

426
00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:29,040
Speaker 1: late first round, that's where you're trying to consider him.

427
00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:33,960
Speaker 1: Late first round? Yeah, absolutely, so the overall or is

428
00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:35,960
Speaker 1: that not late enough? I think they'll be better players

429
00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:40,240
Speaker 1: on the board at nineteen. But I mean I think, yeah, wow,

430
00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:43,320
Speaker 1: you're SMI why, I know, I thought you were gonna

431
00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:45,560
Speaker 1: say in the fifty. I thought you're gonna say it fifty.

432
00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:48,280
Speaker 1: I didn't think Phillips. Yeah, he should be long gone

433
00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:50,800
Speaker 1: by then. In my opinion, Yeah, I think you should

434
00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:52,520
Speaker 1: be long. Okay, Well let me ask you this though.

435
00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:56,560
Speaker 1: If you're trading back in the round, you know, say

436
00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:58,720
Speaker 1: you have to move back and one of those guards,

437
00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:00,680
Speaker 1: one of the guards are availed. But you go back

438
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:04,520
Speaker 1: in the draft and we've talked about her Nandez, you know,

439
00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:09,960
Speaker 1: we've talked about those guys. I mean, well, Win Phillips,

440
00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:14,719
Speaker 1: Win or Hernandez for the Dallas Cowboys. I mean, and

441
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,440
Speaker 1: I think of those three if you trade back, say

442
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,280
Speaker 1: you're in that in that Travis Frederick situation where you

443
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,520
Speaker 1: hit it at thirty, you go from nineteen to thirty.

444
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,600
Speaker 1: I would take Phillips firstly because I think he's a

445
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,240
Speaker 1: he's a first round player. Yeah, of course you do.

446
00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:31,160
Speaker 1: I mean I like Win and I like Hernandez too,

447
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 1: But to me, those they're both early seconds, you know,

448
00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,760
Speaker 1: like somewhere between thirty five and fifty. Yeah, and so

449
00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,560
Speaker 1: I you know, you take you take four Phillips a

450
00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,520
Speaker 1: lot more than me. Yeah, that's fine. That's He's not

451
00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:45,720
Speaker 1: a he's not the best athlete out there, but he's

452
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:47,879
Speaker 1: athletic enough. He's not the strongest guy out there, but

453
00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 1: he's strong enough. You can see that wrestling background, right,

454
00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,240
Speaker 1: you know when he plays, and again, the instincts, I

455
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,800
Speaker 1: think that's what really separates him. Uh so, I yeah,

456
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 1: plug him in at the one and yeah, I'm a

457
00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:00,400
Speaker 1: big fan of that. Give me, give me the diffender,

458
00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,160
Speaker 1: Just give me the defender. Will worry about you would

459
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:06,000
Speaker 1: rather the one than the guard? Yeah, yeah, I'm not.

460
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,959
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let Jonathan Cooper. Are we too high then

461
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:14,080
Speaker 1: on those two the two guards, then no, just this

462
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 1: is my opinion unless I listen to your opinions. Nelson,

463
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,400
Speaker 1: I'm not drafting an offensive lineman in the first round

464
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,399
Speaker 1: to find the Cowboys. Damn No, thanks, Not a single

465
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:24,679
Speaker 1: one unless it's Quentin Nelson. There you go. It's the

466
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:26,160
Speaker 1: only one I would draft, and he's not. If he's

467
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 1: there at nineteen, it's because he murdered a guy. I

468
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 1: was gonna say a gas mask video about an hour

469
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 1: before the draft, exactly, something's going. Something's going. It would say,

470
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:41,440
Speaker 1: actually the draft show, and then you have murder instead

471
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 1: of the videos. It's actually a video of Quentin Nelson,

472
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:51,000
Speaker 1: and then and then and then you need you need

473
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 1: to have a conversation. Okay, yeah, about whether or not

474
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 1: you taking at nineteen. No, that's I'm just saying he's

475
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,400
Speaker 1: not gonna be there at nineteen. And then to me personally,

476
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 1: all right, I'm going defense. I'm going to different position.

477
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:02,159
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let me hit him with this one. Go

478
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 1: for a big guy Hurst or Phillips. Then he goes

479
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:10,679
Speaker 1: to conversation, hang off drafted, You've mock drafted, Maurice hearst

480
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:16,440
Speaker 1: out of Michigan. I'm sorry, like a little five seconds.

481
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 1: So that then it goes to the conversation about a

482
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 1: three technique or one technique? You know, Malie Collins, Where

483
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:28,399
Speaker 1: is he better soon? One? You convinced me he's a

484
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 1: one if you told me his best play was at one,

485
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:35,679
Speaker 1: and I thought you'd like him at one, I know.

486
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not gonna play with a bad foot.

487
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:41,639
Speaker 1: Not that I dislike him at one, but I'm not

488
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 1: sold on it. I'm like, I'll deal with that later.

489
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,200
Speaker 1: Get me to training camp and I'll figure it out.

490
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 1: Have we overrated or is everybody overrated? Vita? My feelings

491
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,160
Speaker 1: hasn't haven't changed. I mean, I think he's the traitor

492
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,199
Speaker 1: off the charts. I just there's some technique issues, some

493
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 1: discipline issues, some effort issues. Um, I don't like him.

494
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 1: As high as he'll go, he'll he's probably gonna go

495
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,680
Speaker 1: someone in the top twelve twelve picks. So if he's

496
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 1: at nineteen, that's a no brainer for you, right Yeah.

497
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,360
Speaker 1: I mean he's on my board, my top fifty board.

498
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,360
Speaker 1: He's probably gonna be somewhere between seventeen and twenty five

499
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:20,120
Speaker 1: to one him or Phillips. Probably, they probably goes there.

500
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 1: Ryan's just making you put together a knee tackle board

501
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,640
Speaker 1: right now. It's January twenty three, and I'm gonna We're

502
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 1: gonna good at what you do. And I respect your opinion. No,

503
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 1: we still got a lot of valuall. We sure do.

504
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 1: But I want to make sure how much I want

505
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:35,919
Speaker 1: to see how much you like Phillips. I like, I

506
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,119
Speaker 1: like Phillips as a late first. But I think we

507
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 1: talked about the one techniques veya Duran Pain and then Phillips,

508
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:47,919
Speaker 1: Yeah a Pain right Alabama and from Alabama, Ryan, Yeah,

509
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:49,640
Speaker 1: probably that one. In if you look at the All

510
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 1: Star Games, you would be like, you know, you're that guy.

511
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 1: And then you watch the other games against the playoff games. Yeah,

512
00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 1: you watch the playoff games and you're you're you're just

513
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 1: you're just like I said. But then you're in the season, yea,

514
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 1: the season you're like yeah, and you're like going, yeah,

515
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 1: not really doing very good against Ella Shoe. You know, well,

516
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 1: who stood out the most for you today? Oh? I

517
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 1: told you, besides Griffin, besides your love affair for Griffin,

518
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what give me? You know who really

519
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:24,920
Speaker 1: stood out that receiver from Colorado State Gallop. I'm glad

520
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 1: you mentioned that, wasn't I'm just gonna now you're gonna

521
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,920
Speaker 1: turn the tables on me here, huh no, No, don't. Okay,

522
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 1: Like you know, full disclosure. Brian kind of mentioned this

523
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,360
Speaker 1: at the start of the show the first day we're

524
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,679
Speaker 1: in Mobile. I'm almost always bird dogging the Jones and

525
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 1: you did a great detti on Dallas Cowboys dot Com.

526
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 1: Don't see a lot of the first practices, and I don't.

527
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,439
Speaker 1: I haven't gotten to one hundred prospects yet, like you

528
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 1: guys are two thousand, like Dane. So I've heard the

529
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:55,119
Speaker 1: name Michael Gallop, yeah a lot, and I'm like, okay,

530
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 1: he was in Belinnikoff running. He's a good receiver, Colorado State.

531
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 1: You know, just something about it didn't wow me. I'm like,

532
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,880
Speaker 1: he played in the Mountain West. He's probably nothing special.

533
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 1: So I come out of the you know, I come

534
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 1: up into the stadium out of the breezeway just in

535
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,919
Speaker 1: time to see Michael Gallup go through a rep, you know,

536
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 1: and like he didn't do anything amazing. He made a

537
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,400
Speaker 1: nice extended cat. But I just first time I've seen

538
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 1: him period, and at all. And I'm just like, Okay,

539
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 1: this is a different sort of cat. This is not

540
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: what I was expecting when I heard Colorado State. Well,

541
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 1: and you just you just perfectly summed up Michael Gallup

542
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 1: like he didn't do anything amazing, but he's just consistent, yeah,

543
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 1: you know, like he consistently makes the plays that he should.

544
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 1: He's not the biggest, not the fastest. You know, his

545
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,400
Speaker 1: entire skill set doesn't wow you. But he just makes

546
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 1: plays and he's consistent. But and I get the thing

547
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 1: that again, you know, that's my bad for underestimating a

548
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 1: smaller school guy. But like he's he's a big, sturdy dude,

549
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,399
Speaker 1: like he you know, he's not the biggest receiver in

550
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 1: the world. But I was expecting like I was expecting

551
00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,640
Speaker 1: Lucky Whitehead, you know. And that's not fair on my part.

552
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 1: But he just he looks the part of a dynamic

553
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: He ran a route. He ran a route today. And

554
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 1: and you're gonna get on me about this the player

555
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:14,159
Speaker 1: because it's our guy from Dubuque. Yeah, Division three, okaye.

556
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 1: And and it's hard men, because he wasn't terrible today, No,

557
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 1: he wasn't. Michael Joseph was not terrible today. He held

558
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 1: his own. He did hold his own and I was

559
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: worried about that. But he held his own. But gallop

560
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 1: cork screwed him in the ground. I mean like like

561
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 1: he gallop, I mean, did he gallop past him? It

562
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 1: was yea captain Punn but no. But I'm just saying

563
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 1: there's things. Watching him run routes, I was like going, Okay, well,

564
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 1: the kid from Oklahoma State Washington wasn't bad either today

565
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: in a big week for him, because yeah, we know

566
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 1: where he wins. We know what player. Yeah, route running,

567
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: how would he do that? Uh, he's got to have

568
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: some work on that because every ball I saw him catch,

569
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 1: test could test it. Yeah, Well that's good, right, because

570
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: that's what he does, that's that's that's you know, we

571
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: know the ball skills, strong hands. But I thought he

572
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 1: did a nice job beating press his releases off the line.

573
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 1: The routes. He needs to get better and that's where

574
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: I'm eager to see him tomorrow and Thursday to see

575
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 1: the progression. Yeah, with gallup, you know, I was surprised

576
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 1: because at the way in a little underwhelming. He was

577
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: under two hundred pounds, his arms were under thirty one inches.

578
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: You know, he just he doesn't physically value kind of

579
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,479
Speaker 1: think what we're talking about. But during practice he just

580
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 1: caught everything to him. He was and some of those

581
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 1: balls weren't exactly to him. No, not with Josh Allen

582
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 1: throwing to him that it was like, yeah, and you

583
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 1: gotta handle that fastball because Alan he can let it loose. Yeah,

584
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 1: he's he throws a fastball. And so Gallup had himself

585
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 1: a nice day. I think, you know, we look at

586
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: these wide receivers. We talked about it in the preview. Yeah,

587
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 1: with these wide receivers separate themselves. Uh you know because

588
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 1: James Washington and eight men and and Gallup. Heyman's a

589
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 1: teammate of his Oklahoma state, right. I mean, all these

590
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 1: wide receivers are kind of log jam, second, third, fourth round.

591
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 1: Who would kind of step up and say I'm the

592
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: top wide receiver here and here's why, Uh you know,

593
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 1: And I don't think anyone did that on day one.

594
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 1: But we saw positive things from Gallop, from James Washington

595
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 1: and Alan Lazard I thought did some good things. But

596
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 1: the drops kind of bothered me. How about the day.

597
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 1: Speaking of drops, what about a guy from Missouri. Yeah,

598
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 1: jim On Moore. Everything was tell me, I don't mean

599
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 1: to bash on a kid, right, but man, he looked

600
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: I don't know if he nervous. And I'm you know,

601
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 1: I'm trying to again, Jay Mom Moore from Missouri, and

602
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 1: I don't want to get missouri folks mad at me.

603
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 1: But no, I think Missouri's folks understand because there's some

604
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 1: of that on his tape. He plays fast at times,

605
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 1: you know, when he gets a little he doesn't play

606
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 1: under control. And that's the difference between him and like

607
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: a Galloper or some of these other guys who understand

608
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,959
Speaker 1: how to use the body and nuance and their routes

609
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 1: to beat defensive backs where everything's so fast and he

610
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: loses focus. He jumps when he doesn't need to, he

611
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: falls away from the catch when he's trying to make

612
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: the catch. There's just a lot he needs to improve on.

613
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 1: In day two. In day three, because it was not

614
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 1: a good day for Yeah, I was, you know, you

615
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: never want to see these kids struggle. And it got

616
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: to the point where every time I looked up, he

617
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: was dropping a ball. Yeah, And I'm like, oh my gosh,

618
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: there's something wrong here, you know. And Dane I think

619
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Speaker 1: bright lights many That's that's for sure. That is for

620
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 1: sure on that Okay, ken't I'm looking at you right now?

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Speaker 1: Do we need to take a little bit of a break.

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00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 1: Are we good to go? Okay, we'll take a little

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Speaker 1: break here from Mobile, Alabama. When we come back, we're

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Speaker 1: with all that being said, I owe you guys some

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Speaker 1: Twitter questions. So Dave, what do you got? All right?

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Speaker 1: We'll start off this is a good one. It's a

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Speaker 1: guy that that we have and we'll talk a lot

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Speaker 1: about a polarizing guy because we said maybe you know,

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Speaker 1: had had a bit of an acclamation period today, but

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Speaker 1: had a great way in I'm talking about Marcus Davenport. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and it just seems like he's one of these guys

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Speaker 1: that he's got widely differing evaluations. Um, you know, it

682
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: didn't look like a top fifteen player today. Okay, well,

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Speaker 1: so Carlos, Carlos wants to know basically why, like what

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Speaker 1: you know and how do y'all feel about him and reconciling?

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Speaker 1: Then can I can I put my theory out there

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00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 1: about playing on two feet in a two point stance

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Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden having to put his

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Speaker 1: hand on the ground and then figure that out, you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean I think that to me, I think there

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00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 1: was some uncomfortable moments for him today rushing the passer there,

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Speaker 1: and I felt like that, you know, step up in

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Speaker 1: weight class too, some of the offensive tackles he was

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Speaker 1: having to deal with. But I didn't see a guy

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Speaker 1: initially that looked like a dominating player that. I mean,

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Speaker 1: this tape at San Antonio is outstanding. I thought, to

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Speaker 1: the point where you were thinking, oh, yeah, he could

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Speaker 1: be a top fifteen pick, but today didn't see the passion.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I did see. I did see

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Speaker 1: a guy extend play with some strength. Two hundred and

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Speaker 1: fifty nine pounds, by the way, I think some of

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Speaker 1: the time during the year, he might have been two

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Speaker 1: thirty eight, so he's put on some weight. But I

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00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: did see some extension, did see the ball have a

704
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Speaker 1: hard time getting to the outside of him. They played

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Speaker 1: him at left end. He wasn't a rite end, so

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00:35:58,000 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 1: they put him at left and they kicked him inside,

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Speaker 1: and they kicked him inside a tack when you're right.

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Speaker 1: And he looked awful. I thought I was expecting the opposite,

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Speaker 1: expecting him to look good. Okay, I thought some of

710
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:15,320
Speaker 1: his best plays in practice came from inside outside. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: now this is what we're talking about here, because there's

712
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: no there's just different. No, he didn't have a great practice. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's a traits player. That's what you'd excited about him.

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Speaker 1: And you know, it's funny because I I really liked

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Speaker 1: him over the summer, I really liked him earlier this fall,

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Speaker 1: and I thought, you know, this guy's gonna be a

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Speaker 1: top one hundred pick. Right in my first mock draft

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Speaker 1: backed in November, I put him in my first round. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the top ten, top fifteen. Talk as a little much, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean because you know, you're really banking on everything

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Speaker 1: clicking for him, which it might, right, but you're drafting

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Speaker 1: and based on the traits, uh, you know, the basketball background,

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Speaker 1: the athleticism, he's gonna look, he's gonna do a great

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Speaker 1: job to combine the article. He might hit forty, right,

725
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: that's the plans. Yeah, so you get excited about the athleticism,

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00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: the potential, but you can tell how raw he is

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Speaker 1: based on these practices, like he's still kind of figuring

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Speaker 1: things out, you know, the move to move transition. Uh.

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Speaker 1: You know one thing I thought or that really stood

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Speaker 1: out to me when he was facing Alex Kappa from

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Speaker 1: humblest Division two, who had a nice first it wasn't bad. Yeah,

732
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:22,320
Speaker 1: offensive line play and pass rush. It's kind of a

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Speaker 1: race to see who can break down the opponent's rhythm first, right,

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Speaker 1: And I thought Kappa got the most of uh of

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Speaker 1: utsa right, more than you know, a couple of times, right.

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Speaker 1: And so he did a nice job of kind of

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Speaker 1: you know, taking him out of it. Whatever plan that

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Speaker 1: Davenport had, Kappa took it away and he couldn't encounter

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Speaker 1: in time. So yeah, we're still seeing how how unseasoned

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Speaker 1: he is as a player. Uh. And you know, we

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Speaker 1: talked a lot about Taco Charloton being a similar in

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Speaker 1: a similar way. Say that. No, I mean, I mean

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Speaker 1: that in a way. But no, we were I felt

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Speaker 1: like that we painted a picture what Taco really was. Yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: I hear you and to me, and Taco was a

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Speaker 1: late first round and we're talking about Davenport has been

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Speaker 1: a possible top fifteen. Yeah, I mean, go everything. I

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Speaker 1: think most of what we said about Taco in the

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Speaker 1: build up last year probably played out pretty well on

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Speaker 1: the field. But yeah, I like I like Raw. I

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00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 1: don't like Raw and a quarterback. I'm fine with Raw

752
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 1: and a pass rusher. That's that's my attitude about that.

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00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 1: I'm interested about that about the defensive tackle because I

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00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: felt like there was a couple of times I looked

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Speaker 1: down there and he wasn't getting off the ball, you know,

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Speaker 1: and I was why, And that was why I was

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00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 1: just kind of watching it, going Okay, now he looks worse,

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00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:38,240
Speaker 1: don't put him inside. But hey, I trust you, because again,

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Speaker 1: if you describe how we have it, it's seniorable. We're

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00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 1: in the press box and there's a lot of things

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Speaker 1: going on. Yeah, I mean there's like a lot of

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00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 1: drills on the field and you're trying to you're trying

763
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Speaker 1: to keep an eye on the offensive defensive line. You've

764
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Speaker 1: got middle drill going on with the with the linebackers

765
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Speaker 1: and backs, and oh down, here's the one on one.

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00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,720
Speaker 1: So a couple of times, I mean, I just didn't

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00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:03,359
Speaker 1: see it. But you know, I again, I thought they're

768
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 1: playing the run was better than what he was as

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Speaker 1: a pass rusher today. Keep this brief because we talked

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Speaker 1: about it before the break, but Warrior for Life once

771
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Speaker 1: a head to head comparison of Gallop and James Washington,

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00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: which I think is fair just because you're I mean,

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00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 1: we're talking about them being in a similar range as

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00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 1: far as grades go, right, Yeah, it goes back to

775
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: what we said about who's going to separate themselves, And

776
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 1: I thought on day one I thought both played well.

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00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 1: I don't think one separated on themselves from the other.

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00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: But Gallup's just that he's solid, well around it, doesn't

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00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: have a lot of weaknesses. He's not gonna vowue. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: James Washington has arguably the strongest hands in this draft.

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00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:49,800
Speaker 1: He can win contested situations vertically, he can stack the corner,

782
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: gain a step and go better than Gallop can. Although

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00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 1: Gallup did get a few vertical chances. Yeah today and

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00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 1: practice did a nice job. So I think with Washington

785
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: you have probably higher upside as a player, but as

786
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: a route runner, Gallop gets the edge. And that's that

787
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 1: he is absolutely right. You get to the NFL talk

788
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: about technical skill with receivers, that route running ability can

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Speaker 1: be the difference, and right now, Gallop gets the edge there. Yeah,

790
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 1: I totally agree. I'm just reading my notes on Gallop

791
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 1: from watching Oregon State, Colorado, Alabama, Emboise those games, and

792
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: Dane painted the accurate picture exactly what my note said here.

793
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: And I like how that he can win off the line.

794
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 1: I think that you know, you see him high point balls,

795
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 1: go go get it, He'll run, comebacks to the ball,

796
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 1: stop start quickness. But the last line is runs routes.

797
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 1: Well that's that to me, right there is what you're

798
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 1: talking about. Washington is still a work in progress when

799
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: it comes to route running, except when it's a vertical route.

800
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 1: We've seen him get past people. When it's a vertical route,

801
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 1: he will separate. I don't like that, but to me,

802
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Speaker 1: that's where Gallop again that's the kind of the head

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Speaker 1: to head all right, received We have not mentioned this

804
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 1: guy at all, which I got a few questions about this,

805
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 1: which leads me to believe he must have popped on

806
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: NFL network or something because Jeff and a few other

807
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:13,359
Speaker 1: people want to know about Dave Sean Hamilton. He had

808
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: himself a very good good day of practice. Uh, Penn

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00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 1: State wide receiver. Sorry, that's my job. Yeah, these the

810
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 1: wide receivers in the north practice. We talked about Gallop

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Speaker 1: a couple of other lazard, but Hamilton, he just went

812
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: out there and made plays. Yeah. I mean he caught

813
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: the ball well away from his body. Uh, he was

814
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 1: using subtle moves as a route runner to create that

815
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 1: spacing randan out one time where I felt like he

816
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,439
Speaker 1: was here and did a nice job securing the ball,

817
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: you know, get the feet down that kind of thing.

818
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 1: And that was one where he did not roll out

819
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 1: the red carpet and tell the dB right there was off.

820
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. I mean, so he did a nice I

821
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 1: think that might have been Penn State on Penn State crime.

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00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: There was Christian Campbell the corner, right, but yeah, he

823
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 1: did a nice job. So I thought, you know, he's

824
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,839
Speaker 1: another guy. It's not gonna value from a heightweight, speed perspective,

825
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: but he's just a solid player. First time I've seen

826
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Speaker 1: him play myself. Oh man, I haven't seen I haven't

827
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Speaker 1: seen him any other thing. But he's Penn State's all

828
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Speaker 1: time leader and catches. Yeah, I mean he's he's got

829
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Speaker 1: the resume. Yeah that Penn State has been playing football

830
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Speaker 1: for a little bit, so a few years. Yeah, he

831
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Speaker 1: has the resume. And you know, the combine is not

832
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 1: gonna you know, Chris Godwin last year from Penn State,

833
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 1: right ran like a four to four one or whatever

834
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Speaker 1: it was, and he kind of, you know, created some buzz.

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Speaker 1: I don't expect that from Hamilton. You know, he's not

836
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 1: gonna have explode at the combine, but here in this

837
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:34,800
Speaker 1: type of settings where he can really impress. And I

838
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 1: thought he did on the day. I got a stack

839
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Speaker 1: Another day tomorrow. That's the thing we'll see tomorrow. If

840
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 1: the buzz is about him, that it's all about. You know,

841
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: we talk about guys that you know, two three days

842
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 1: go up and then you know we've we've seen, especially

843
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 1: a receiver, it's hard for receivers to keep momentum. How

844
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 1: many times have we've been at training camp. Yeah, and

845
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 1: all of a sudden we get two weeks in and

846
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 1: the receivers start to fall apart, one of the most

847
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: obvious positions where your screw ups are, like, I mean,

848
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:01,879
Speaker 1: any but he can see him, right. That's that's why

849
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 1: to me, the corner wide receiver one on one battles,

850
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 1: those are my favorite. There's nowhere to hide in those battles,

851
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 1: So those are a lot of fun this week. Yeah,

852
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:13,399
Speaker 1: I'm glad you mentioned that you hadn't had a chance

853
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 1: to watch him, Brian, because uh and Dane, excuse yourself

854
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 1: from this, because you've seen everybody, but Johnny wants to

855
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 1: know about a guy that you haven't seen much of,

856
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 1: who you know, you like, you like the look of them,

857
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 1: They passed the eye test, they had a good first

858
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 1: day whatever, And I mean, all right, it can be

859
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:33,760
Speaker 1: a guy that you haven't watched that much of whatever.

860
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 1: I mean, you guys have watched the majority of the

861
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 1: guys that are here. Can I give you a guy? Yeah,

862
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: who do you go? I didn't know anything about Danny Johnson,

863
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:46,760
Speaker 1: a cornerback from Southern Louisiana. Louisiana, what up? Baton rouge boy. Yeah,

864
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 1: and uh and I he's a Southern Jaguar. He's five nine,

865
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 1: he's one eighty two. He's not gonna wow you with

866
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 1: the measurables part of it. And he was not even

867
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 1: a high priority guy, to be honest with you. I

868
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 1: look at my players off Dane's boards. That's how I start,

869
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 1: and so I look, you know, I take the top

870
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: guys to go through. I've done one hundred and three

871
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: players now, so I'm on my way. But I have

872
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: not seen Danny Johnson. And here's a guy that showed

873
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: up that you know, and I I he might not

874
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 1: have the skill of the other smaller corners that we've seen,

875
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,240
Speaker 1: but I was impressed with his movement and he wasn't

876
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 1: shy about jumping routes and playing routes and contesting the football.

877
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 1: There were two snaps where when I saw him on

878
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: a slant just and that's a if you're a corner

879
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:38,320
Speaker 1: and you're playing the slant and you're making it a

880
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 1: contested play, you got my vote. And then he turned

881
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 1: around and then the next thing you know, they're running

882
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:47,879
Speaker 1: out on him. And who's driving downhill to contest that ball?

883
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:53,399
Speaker 1: That guy, Danny Johnson cornerback, Southern University of Baton roof.

884
00:44:56,440 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 1: He's cut yeah, oh yeah, very little fat on that body.

885
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 1: But he's just you strike a match on him. Yeah,

886
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 1: he's a smaller guy. I mean when I watched his tape,

887
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:06,839
Speaker 1: it's kind of hard to get a fuel for him

888
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,839
Speaker 1: because in the MEAC they didn't throw at him much. Yeah,

889
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 1: they knew how good of a player he is, right,

890
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 1: Uh so the South Carolina State tape. Um, this is

891
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 1: why the Senior Bowl works exactly. This is why you

892
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:22,879
Speaker 1: give Phil Savage credit. But putting together some guys you know,

893
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 1: from Dubuque and from Southern and places like that, because

894
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 1: let him compete against some big guys. Sure, you don't know,

895
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 1: you really don't know. And you know, Danny Johnson probably

896
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: won't be he's probably a Day three guy, if but yeah,

897
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,879
Speaker 1: if that right, But you know what, he probably will

898
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 1: find his way on someone's team. Malcolm Butler wasn't a

899
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 1: Day three Yeah, yeah, no, it's you know, it's there's

900
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 1: not a the end on his story yet. But for

901
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,399
Speaker 1: a player that's undersized like that, you need to be

902
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:55,720
Speaker 1: never walk on water, Yeah, you need to be above

903
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 1: average in at least one other category and I just

904
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 1: haven't seen that yet from him, but a maybe tomorrow

905
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 1: or Thursday, he will give me one day. Um, you've

906
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 1: watched him all. I know you've seen everybody. But whatever,

907
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 1: I mean, I think the Brandon Parker kid from North

908
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 1: Carolina A and T, the tackle uh had some good reps.

909
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 1: Yeah he did. I think he kept some guys wide. Yeah,

910
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 1: I mean foot you know kind of. He did play.

911
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 1: I think a little better than I expected based on

912
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: you know, the tape, because again he's more of a

913
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 1: trades player, uh from North Carolina A and T. But

914
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 1: I thought, yeah, he had a good day today. They

915
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: got to play better than I expected him to. Yeah,

916
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:36,240
Speaker 1: all right, we know how you feel about Griffin Brian,

917
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 1: but um, I'm sorry if that's no, no, no, no no,

918
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 1: that's my pet cat to everybody out there, he's my

919
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: pet cat. If the Cowboys drafted him, if we're all

920
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:46,720
Speaker 1: sitting in there at the Star and he gets drafted,

921
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,720
Speaker 1: you're gonna see, like you know, you're gonna see a cheer,

922
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:53,280
Speaker 1: a big cheer. But he probably won't get drafted. Linebackers

923
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 1: team like Seattle or some linebackers who's stuck out. And

924
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 1: this is I mean that's that. This is not a

925
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 1: star sune. This is the theme now because people are

926
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 1: getting nervous about needs. Yeah, they're getting nervous about there's

927
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 1: not a lot of linebackers on that board. Yeah. Steve Thomas.

928
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,320
Speaker 1: Steven Thomas is traveling with us, our buddies. Steven's traveling

929
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 1: with us from California. And we had this discussion this

930
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: morning at the waffle house about that. I wish i'd

931
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: been invited. Yeah, well we we had a private meeting.

932
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 1: Steven and I had this discussion about numbers of guys

933
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 1: on the board and if you have a deep position,

934
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 1: if you have a like the wide receiver position is

935
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: really deep, which is it? Real quick? Yeah, wide receiver?

936
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 1: What else are we saying? Yeah, okay, see see that's

937
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Do you Yeah, you're having to evaluate

938
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 1: a small number of linebackers and so we're are you

939
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 1: looking at this saying, man, we have got to make

940
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 1: this happen now. We can't wait, we can't wait for

941
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 1: this thing to come back. And that's the problem. Roquan

942
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 1: Edmonds or bust, Well, it might be you have to go.

943
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 1: You might have to go if that if it's one

944
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 1: of those things if it gets down again, I've looked

945
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,720
Speaker 1: at only one hundred and three players, but I feel

946
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 1: like I've looked at his top linebackers so far, you know,

947
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 1: And so if it's one of those things where okay,

948
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I was talking some scouts this morning in

949
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 1: the way and about Edmonds other teams, Like my guy said, hey,

950
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: can play all the positions, can play all the position.

951
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:28,399
Speaker 1: He's not gonna be there for you. I went, oh, okay,

952
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 1: and then I asked another guy, what about this? H

953
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 1: what about Smith? Great traits, you know, gets the ball.

954
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: He won't be there when you're picked, though, you know,

955
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 1: So now you're getting disheartened. Well that's what you think.

956
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 1: You don't know when well, I don't know. You don't

957
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 1: know when we're picking. That's what I'm saying, though, Well,

958
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:47,359
Speaker 1: is it makes sense? Though, the conversation that Steve and

959
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 1: I had this morning, does it make sense? Is that

960
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 1: a position you might have to go up and get one?

961
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 1: You always want to do this. You're always trying to

962
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 1: get me in day to trade the pick away. Well,

963
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 1: I want to go up, That's what I'm saying. You

964
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 1: want to tread, you want I mean to go up

965
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 1: and get rid of something, and I don't want to

966
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 1: it's either one of those. Is Smith more worth it

967
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 1: than Edmunds? I prefer Smith? Okay, let me ask you this,

968
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 1: Does Edmonds make sense if you moved Jalen Smith to

969
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 1: Sam linebacker and let him be a rusher? We saw

970
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 1: him rush, I know, but that just doesn't seem like

971
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 1: a good enough role for a guy that you spent

972
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 1: a top forty pick on. How much does her Sam

973
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 1: even play well? But does it, excuse me? Does it

974
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:35,399
Speaker 1: give him the opportunity to continue his upward climb? Are

975
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,839
Speaker 1: we ready to say we saw him play thirty five

976
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 1: forty snaps and it was fine, but we we do

977
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:44,319
Speaker 1: we I'm not ready to say. And I'm I'm not

978
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 1: saying he's gonna be trying to get an ideas here, guys,

979
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 1: but I'm trying to But I'm not ready to close

980
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:52,840
Speaker 1: that book on Jalen as just a regular No. But well,

981
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 1: if you're trying to make him a nickel rusher, that's

982
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: what you're telling me, that's fine. I'm gonna tilt the

983
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:02,240
Speaker 1: conversation a little. But here's the linebacker we haven't talked about. Okay,

984
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 1: that's the question I was that was yeah, okay, probably

985
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:10,439
Speaker 1: third round. I'm thinking maybe Trey Williams from Auburn. Oh god,

986
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 1: did he have a hit today. Got some got some

987
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 1: questions about him that I didn't write down because he

988
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 1: blew Who'd he blow up? The running back Penny Penny?

989
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 1: It was more it was more of a miss block

990
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 1: by the offensive line misassignment. But yeah, Williams did not

991
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 1: hesitate to stick his nose in and he pick up

992
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 1: the ball and run. He knocked the ball out of

993
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 1: Penny's hand and then takes off run. It was physical.

994
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 1: His play speed, you know, it's something you like. I

995
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:37,919
Speaker 1: think you know in the third round six oh one,

996
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 1: six two thirty nine. Yeah, I mean he's he's a

997
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:46,439
Speaker 1: well built, bringing on speed guy. So yeah, there's plenty

998
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 1: to like there. I think hit people again at nineteen

999
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 1: if you get wiped out at linebacker meeting Rokuon and

1000
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 1: Tremaine Edmonds, Is he a mike? Yeah? I think, I

1001
00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: mean that's probably he doesn't want to get rid of

1002
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:02,279
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith. Well I not get rid of it, but

1003
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:05,840
Speaker 1: you need you need another guy. That's this whole conversation.

1004
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 1: Need Edmonds because he could play all the spot, that

1005
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:09,879
Speaker 1: would be nice. But even I mean, you know, even

1006
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 1: if it's just another guy who can play Mike and

1007
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 1: either spell Jalen or do the job for him, if

1008
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:16,319
Speaker 1: you can't play either way, and in the third round,

1009
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 1: you feel better about that, Yeah, I do. First round

1010
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 1: Dane comment, I don't. I don't want to draft a

1011
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 1: linebacker at nineteen anyway. I just feel like you maybe

1012
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 1: need to to protect yourself. There's three names up there.

1013
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 1: If you're telling me I can get a guy at

1014
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 1: eighty one to do the same thing I'm trying to

1015
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,840
Speaker 1: do at nineteen, I'm so to throw your pen in

1016
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 1: the in the room when he gets picked before eighty one,

1017
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 1: Oh for sure. I just learned this guy's name. Final no, no, no.

1018
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:43,799
Speaker 1: But we have to watch the tape on him, of course,

1019
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 1: and we do. That's uh, you know, going back to

1020
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 1: the whole conversation about linebackers. You know, is a guy

1021
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 1: like that that you would think is normally a third

1022
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 1: or fourth round pick and get pushed up, especially after

1023
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 1: he I think he'll test well, yeah, you know, is

1024
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:58,360
Speaker 1: he gonna get pushed up because of the linebackers. You

1025
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 1: don't love the depth in this class, so I like

1026
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 1: that could go ahead of where you would normally expect

1027
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 1: him to go. I mean, we talk about the first

1028
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 1: round linebackers. It's there's going to be a ripple effect,

1029
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:09,360
Speaker 1: you know, Josie Jewel. Will he be there in the

1030
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 1: second round? You know he maybe he gets snatched up.

1031
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 1: The same thing with this this guy from Alburn. I've

1032
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 1: got Williams. I've got a great Trey William Tyne today

1033
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 1: new pet cat. Haven't watched it down. Um you saw

1034
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 1: him hit somebody today. This is bad. Great. This is

1035
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:27,840
Speaker 1: a great sort of behind the scenes question that I

1036
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:29,880
Speaker 1: think you can answer, Brian, which I really want to

1037
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 1: hear about Craig. It's really it's weird and nebulous. The

1038
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 1: Cowboys are making a boatload of coaching changes. They have

1039
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 1: not announced hardly any of them. Yeah, we have. We

1040
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:46,919
Speaker 1: have a fairly good idea that Kellen Moore is coming

1041
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:49,360
Speaker 1: on in some kind of capacity, right not got that

1042
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 1: from the owner in general manager today Jerry basically said

1043
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 1: we signed him to a deal. I don't want to

1044
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 1: say what it's for, but he's a career core it

1045
00:52:57,840 --> 00:52:59,839
Speaker 1: makes sense to think he'd be the quarterbacks coach. I'm

1046
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 1: not He's not helping the offensive line, right, Not one

1047
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 1: hundred percent sure why we can't just say that, but whatever, So, uh,

1048
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:09,879
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore's coming on Chris Richard is is coming on

1049
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:15,280
Speaker 1: secondary's coach in about him passing game coordinator um Sanjay

1050
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Speaker 1: Lal has We do know he has been hired as

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Speaker 1: the new receiver's coach, Paul Alexander. We talked about him

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Speaker 1: at the top of the show regardless. So a lot

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Speaker 1: of new faces joining that room is basically what I'm

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Speaker 1: trying to say, and Craig wants to know. And I

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Speaker 1: think it's a really good question. How do these new

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Speaker 1: sorts of hires or how do they or will they

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Speaker 1: affect the type of players that you're looking for in

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Speaker 1: this draft, because I got to imagine Chris Richard has

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Speaker 1: a vastly different idea of what he wants. Then there's

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Speaker 1: people to believe that Chris Richard would play Barn Jones

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Speaker 1: at corner. That's the I mean, that's the rumor that

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Speaker 1: you're starting to hear, which I don't even know how

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Speaker 1: that rumor has started. Because fans, our fans are smart

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Speaker 1: Stephen Jones, which you're right, I mean, you can sort

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Speaker 1: of look at his body type and guests. But Stephen

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Speaker 1: Jones told me to my face two hours ago that

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Speaker 1: may haven't even had those meetings about their personnel. This

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Speaker 1: is where. This is where Chris Rashad and Paul Alexander

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Speaker 1: and Sanjay Lyle this is where. Now that's why they're

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Speaker 1: not here. Yeah, they're back in Dallas watching pornover tape

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Speaker 1: getting an idea. They have not had the personnel meeting

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Speaker 1: that you traditionally have with your coaching staff after the season,

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Speaker 1: so they're now trying to prep Now, what will happen

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Speaker 1: is can these guys influence who plays where where. I

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Speaker 1: think you have to listen if they come with reasonable

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Speaker 1: sure opinions. And it's i mean, knowing where Richard is

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Speaker 1: coming from, it's easy to look at Byron Jones and say, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that guy wants Byron Jones to play corner. I think

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Speaker 1: it's it's probably premature to say that's what's going to happen,

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Speaker 1: but I get where that's coming from. But what do

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Speaker 1: you do with a Woosier? Then? Well you could, I

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Speaker 1: mean you could conceivably play a safety. But like that,

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Speaker 1: that doesn't mean you have to move him. No, I'm

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Speaker 1: just asking do you you mean he's your stars, your

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Speaker 1: starting left corner as of right now, I would assume.

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Speaker 1: So if you're trying to move Byron, see, I just

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Speaker 1: want Byron to be the handyman, dime back. That's what

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Speaker 1: I want. Just yeah, play the tight end and do

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Speaker 1: a bunch of stuff and move around and don't worry

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Speaker 1: about being out on the boundary. Let's we'll let other

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Speaker 1: people handle that. Yeah, he's uniquely gifted to do stuff

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Speaker 1: that nobody else can. So that's what I want him

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Speaker 1: to do. There's a lot of people that are ready

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Speaker 1: to move on from him. I know they're calling it

1095
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 1: a bad pick. You know it's a bad pick. Mo

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Speaker 1: Claiborne was a bad pick. I saw you. It's I'm

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Speaker 1: laughing because I saw you having this argument on Twitter

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Speaker 1: a couple of minutes ago. Yeah. No, no, I mean

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Speaker 1: a bad pick at six. I'll say, considering when you

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Speaker 1: watch Fletcher Cox play, I'll say this, or Michael Brockers,

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Speaker 1: I think Byron Byron Jones is a guy who like

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Speaker 1: he has swung from one end, Like he used to

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00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 1: be vastly underrated for what he did his training camp practices.

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Speaker 1: You thought he was going to make the Pro Bowl, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: for sure. And I think he's become he's become the

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Speaker 1: guy everybody wants to throw out the door, which I

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Speaker 1: think is a little unfair. But I think it's also

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Speaker 1: probably fair to say that if you're if you're not

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Speaker 1: sure you want to pick up your first round picks,

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Speaker 1: fifth year option, that's not great. Yeah, you want to

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Speaker 1: ideally be like, well, obviously we're picking up his option.

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Speaker 1: When do you think we're nuts? That's what you want.

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Speaker 1: So the fact that you're debating it, I'm not gonna

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Speaker 1: say it was a bad pick. It's a disappointing pick

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Speaker 1: as it is right now. I think that's fair to say.

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Speaker 1: It's fair to um regardless what we got. Way off

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00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 1: the beaten path right there. But so, what kind of

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Speaker 1: voice do you think these guys could have? They could

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Speaker 1: they can influencing how you're looking. It's a different it's

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Speaker 1: a different it's a different voice again from the outside

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00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:48,839
Speaker 1: that they haven't heard before. If these guys come in

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Speaker 1: with intelligent conversation, they will get a lot of rope.

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Speaker 1: They will. You won't just say okay, thanks Paul, thanks Toogxander,

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Speaker 1: we don't want to listen to you anymore. You know.

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Speaker 1: But see, that's what I'm saying that that to me

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Speaker 1: is where new you need to listen to new hires,

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Speaker 1: especially guy like Chris Richard, who's you know, was that

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Speaker 1: one of the best defenses in the league for the

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Speaker 1: last ten years? Yeah? Good point. You know, Oh my gosh,

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Speaker 1: I mean he hey, you and heye, they're gonna listen

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Speaker 1: to him? Yeah, I mean like he shut your rear

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Speaker 1: down in the you know, weeks sixteen. Good point. You

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Speaker 1: know why you're not gonna listen to him. If I'm

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Speaker 1: Scott Land and I walk over, Hey, what did you Hey,

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Speaker 1: I just took Beasley away. I took this away. I

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Speaker 1: took this away and played does one on one? Couldn't

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Speaker 1: do anything? Could you? You know? Not so much? Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: All right, man, that's all the time we have. Today

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Speaker 1: goes fast. It does go fast. UH once again tomorrow

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Speaker 1: we'll have day two of the UH the Senior Bowl

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Speaker 1: from Mobile, Alabama. I want to thank Dame Burglar, David Hellman,

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Speaker 1: Ken't Garrison, the executive producer. Thanks to Stephen Thomas for

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Speaker 1: hanging out with us, our buddy who does so many

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Speaker 1: nice things for us. We'll be back. Check out out

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Speaker 1: the Twitter account, we'll tweet out when we're gonna be back.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully we'll be a little bit earlier, but we appreciate

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Speaker 1: everybody out there for your questions and the interaction you

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Speaker 1: have with us. So for my guys, we'll see you

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Speaker 1: tomorrow