1 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 1: Hi. 2 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 2: I'm Laura Vanderkamp. I'm a mother of five, an author, journalist, 3 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 2: and speaker. 4 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 3: And I'm Sarah Hart Hunger, a mother of three, practicing physician, writer, 5 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:22,280 Speaker 3: and course creator. We are two working parents who love 6 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 3: our careers and our families. 7 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 2: Welcome to Best of both Worlds. Here we talk about 8 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 2: how real women manage work, family, and time for fun. 9 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 2: From figuring out childcare to mapping out long. 10 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:34,200 Speaker 1: Term career goals. 11 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 2: We want you to get the most out of life. 12 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to Best of both Worlds. This is Laura. 13 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:46,840 Speaker 2: This episode is airing in mid December of twenty twenty five. 14 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:49,880 Speaker 2: We are mostly going to be talking best laid Plans today, 15 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 2: the exciting new book out from one Sarah hart Hunger. 16 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 2: We are looking forward to talking about that. But opening 17 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 2: we wanted to talk a little bit about our Patreon 18 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 2: curriculum for the upcoming year. So Sarah and I started 19 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 2: a Patreon community for Best of Both Worlds a few 20 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 2: years ago. Sarah, do you remember exactly what we were 21 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 2: thinking when we decided to do that. 22 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 3: I think we were just looking for a place to 23 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 3: have more of an interactive community, because, of course we 24 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:18,679 Speaker 3: have comments on each of our blogs, but there was 25 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 3: nowhere that our listeners could just kind of come together 26 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 3: and even chat with each other on video in real time, 27 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:26,319 Speaker 3: and you know, have it feel almost like a book 28 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 3: club of sorts, except that usually we're not talking about 29 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 3: a book. 30 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're talking about many other topics. But we have 31 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 2: a great forum going. We have about two hundred members 32 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 2: at any given point, and so there's enough people that 33 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 2: you could have a robust discussion. 34 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 1: But one of the things. 35 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:45,039 Speaker 2: That you know, Patreon is a paid community, but one 36 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 2: of the upsides of it being a paid community is 37 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 2: that it's not just out there on the Internet. It's 38 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 2: a very limited because of that, and so people feel 39 00:01:56,080 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 2: free to share tips and share stories and things that 40 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 2: they might not if it was just on one of 41 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 2: our blogs that anyone can see. So that sort of confidentiality, 42 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 2: I mean, it's a rough version of it, but it 43 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 2: helps a lot, I think, with a lot of us 44 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 2: wanting to discuss these topics. So anyway, if you've been 45 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:15,920 Speaker 2: thinking about joining, we hope this will give you a 46 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 2: nudge to do. You can go to Patreon and search 47 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 2: for Best of Both Worlds podcasts. There will be links 48 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 2: in both of our blogs over the next few days 49 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 2: as well, but we wanted to talk about our curriculum 50 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:29,639 Speaker 2: for the upcoming year. 51 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 3: Yes, I feel like the term curriculum or personal curriculum 52 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 3: is trending, but I just want to point out that 53 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 3: we came up with a Patreon curriculum a few years ago. 54 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 2: Yes, we are ahead of the trend. So while we 55 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 2: do not have dates for all these yet, we tend 56 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 2: to set dates a little bit closer, you know, about 57 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:50,799 Speaker 2: a month out for each of these discussions, and they're 58 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 2: always taped for people who can't make it. 59 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: We wanted to make sure people knew what the topics were. 60 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 2: So in January, we're going to have our Best Laid 61 00:02:58,840 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 2: Plans book club. 62 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: We're going to be talking about Sarah's new book. 63 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 2: We're going to be talking about planning systems, little tweaks 64 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 2: that can make our planning systems better. 65 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 1: So very excited about that. 66 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 3: And keep in mind that none of our book club 67 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:15,079 Speaker 3: meetups are assignments. You can absolutely read the book in 68 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 3: advance that we're going to talk about, but you can 69 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 3: also just come excited to learn a little bit about 70 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 3: whatever book we're talking about has to offer. So we're 71 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 3: not giving anyone, well, we might be giving people some 72 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 3: optional homework, but we never have any mandatory homework, let's 73 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 3: put it that way. 74 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely. 75 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 2: In February we're going to be talking time trackings. This 76 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 2: comes out of my annual time tracking challenge that I 77 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 2: have in January, So if you kept a time log 78 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 2: for that and think you might like it analyzed, we 79 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 2: will be talking about a few people's time logs during 80 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 2: the discussion, but also just general tips for using time well. 81 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: March Sarah Weekly Planning Rituals. 82 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, so this one is going to be a workshop 83 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 3: all about how we each plan our weeks and the 84 00:03:57,320 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 3: different ways that one might choose to do so, from 85 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 3: everything to when do we do it? To how detailed 86 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 3: is it? To inbox management to partner communications. So maybe 87 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 3: a little best laid plans type content there, but people 88 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 3: are always excited to talk about their systems, and I 89 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 3: feel like I learned so much every time I lead 90 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 3: one of these discussions because people share what they do 91 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 3: that works and there's so many key takeaways. 92 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 2: Absolutely, April we're going to be doing our Summer planning workshop, 93 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:28,839 Speaker 2: talking all things summer fun, our camp spreadsheets, and so forth. 94 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 2: May will be the Big Time book Club. So my 95 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 2: book Big Time will be out in May, and we're 96 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 2: going to be having a interactive discussion about that June 97 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 2: Travel Hacks Sarah. 98 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:42,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, so last year's we had a travel so some 99 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 3: of these are repeat topics and some of these are new. 100 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 3: And I have to say it, last year we had 101 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 3: such a fantastic discussion about travel that was great with 102 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 3: young kids, travel that made sense with older kids, and 103 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 3: I think a number of people ended up booking vacations 104 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 3: while they were attending the Zoom, which maybe wasn't exactly 105 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 3: what we have in mind, but I think there was 106 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 3: just so much inspiration to be had. So we'll focus 107 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 3: on the practical hacking and checking versus not checking. Maybe 108 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 3: even a little bit of cards and points hacking, although 109 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 3: that's much more min thing than Laura's. And then just 110 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 3: tons of ideas about how you can have fun in 111 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 3: different places in the country and the world with your family. 112 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 2: Absolutely, So July is going to be a video of 113 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 2: the two of us, sort of an exclusive episode that 114 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 2: we record each year for our Patreon community, where we 115 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 2: can sometimes talk about topics that we would not talk 116 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 2: about on the air. Then August is back to school 117 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 2: and everyone's favorite topic meal planning, Sarah, you're a fan 118 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 2: of meal planning. 119 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:41,479 Speaker 3: I am a fan of meal planning and I like 120 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 3: talking about it and so does everyone else. By the way, 121 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 3: you get access to all our old stuff whenever you join. 122 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 3: So if you're like, I want to know what you 123 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 3: guys said in your July video in twenty twenty five, 124 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:53,720 Speaker 3: if you join now, you can see all our old 125 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 3: secret ish Yeah secret is I. 126 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 2: Mean, I'm still playing for storage on Zoom, so you 127 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:03,559 Speaker 2: may as well watch the video while it's there. So yeah, 128 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 2: and then September we'll be take one night for you 129 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:10,479 Speaker 2: talking about hobbies. We will also likely read reading the 130 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:14,599 Speaker 2: book The Power of Fun, so looking forward to that October. 131 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 1: Superficial Things, Sarah, this is always a hit. 132 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 3: Yes, there are some outlets where you can talk about 133 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 3: products and things, but. 134 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 4: Not that many where nobody's sharing any paid links. Except 135 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:26,480 Speaker 4: for this. 136 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 3: We all come in Laura and I plus everybody in 137 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 3: Patreon with some of our favorite things. Nothing is sponsored content, 138 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 3: nothing is click here and get through my shopping portal whatever. 139 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:37,559 Speaker 4: It's just like, these are things we're loving. 140 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 3: And this is another one where there may be some 141 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 3: commerce happening, a. 142 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 4: Lot of shopping during the actual episode. 143 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 3: It's definitely an episode where plenty of shopping happens, often 144 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:49,720 Speaker 3: in real time. 145 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I wound up buying a BB cream that I 146 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 2: have been using as a result of somebody else's recommendation. 147 00:06:55,920 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 2: So that was pretty exciting, if vaguely expensive. November is 148 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:02,919 Speaker 2: our holiday planning workshop. We had so much fun with 149 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 2: this one this year, you know, making our holiday fun lists, 150 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 2: talking about gifts that we wanted to ask for. 151 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, like. 152 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 2: People are going to give you something, it may as 153 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 2: well be something you want, right, Sarah. 154 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 3: Yes, I definitely felt much more in the holiday mood 155 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 3: after we did this episode, so or this group, so 156 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 3: I know that the listeners do too. 157 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 1: Yeah. 158 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 2: And then every December, Sarah leads us in a goal 159 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 2: setting workshop. So this is a light version of both 160 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 2: Best Laid Plans at Home Bestlaid Plans Live. 161 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 1: But even if you went to Best Laid Plans Live, 162 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 1: you may. 163 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 2: Have started your goal list for the next year, but 164 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 2: you want to refine it and have a few more 165 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 2: minutes to think about it and talk about it with people. 166 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 2: So we do this every December. It is a big hit. 167 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 2: You're going to love it. So anyway, that's what we 168 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 2: are going to be talking about in Patreon over the 169 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 2: next year, So please come join us. We'd love to 170 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 2: have you, and we will be talking about all those things. 171 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 2: So onward to Best Laid Plans. Sarah, it's exciting you 172 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 2: have book coming out today, right, and the CS airing, 173 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 2: I do that was a great coincidence. 174 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 3: I think every book that we write should come out 175 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 3: on a Tuesday. 176 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 2: Well, I think they normally do at this point, which 177 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 2: is interesting because when I first started writing books, they 178 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 2: came out on Thursdays, and then there was an entire 179 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 2: industry switch to Tuesdays weirdly enough, but now they are 180 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 2: so all our books are coming out on days that 181 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 2: we have bestli with the best of both worlds. 182 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 4: I love it. Well, yes, I'm very excited. 183 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 3: I'm going to admit that as this episode airs, I'm 184 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:37,559 Speaker 3: going to be on call and perhaps. 185 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 4: Not as focused on the book, but as soon as. 186 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 3: That week is over, I think I'll be just celebrating 187 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:44,959 Speaker 3: and super super excited to have it out in the world. 188 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. 189 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:48,319 Speaker 2: Because Sarah's book, Best Like Plans, I mean, this came 190 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 2: out of a long time of sort of dreaming and 191 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 2: schaming and thinking about sharing your ideas with the world. 192 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 1: I mean, where did the idea to write a book 193 00:08:58,000 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: come from? 194 00:08:59,160 --> 00:08:59,959 Speaker 4: You? Not just kidding. 195 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 3: I've had it on my one hundred dreams or life 196 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 3: bucket list for so long now that I almost can't 197 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 3: tell you exactly where I first thought of it. I 198 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 3: do remember this one conversation I had with a novelist 199 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 3: who was also a pediatric surgeon who worked at the 200 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 3: same health system where I work. Where we were at 201 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 3: some party and I learned that he wrote books, and 202 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 3: I said something like I want to write a book, 203 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 3: and I think it was my first sort of public 204 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 3: declaration of that in real life. And he looked at 205 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 3: me and he said, well, what about? And I said planning? 206 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:28,599 Speaker 3: And then I realized, oh, man, I really need to 207 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 3: work on my elevator pitch, because like just hearing that doesn't. 208 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 4: Sound like much. 209 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 3: But then, over the course of talking about planning many 210 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 3: many episodes teaching it to others, the book took shape 211 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 3: in terms of what I wanted my book to be 212 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 3: about and the messages I wanted to have within. 213 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 4: So the dream has been a really long time calming, 214 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 4: and then. 215 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 3: The ideas really shaped gradually over I would say almost 216 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:52,079 Speaker 3: the last decade. 217 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, because I mean I think this had been a 218 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 2: goal that you kept coming back to and you're like, oh, 219 00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 2: I'm going to try to do it. I'm going to 220 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 2: try and do it this year. I mean, WHOA what 221 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 2: sort of pushed you forward on this? Well? 222 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 3: What pushes anyone forward on any goal. I actually had 223 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 3: this really revelatory or at least to myself, blog post 224 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 3: that I wrote a while back where I analyzed several 225 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 3: goals that were just sitting there and not moving forward. 226 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:18,079 Speaker 3: And those goals are a state, planning, a book proposal, 227 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 3: and cleaning our house. So anyway, maybe not all of 228 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 3: them have yet to come to fruition. But it just 229 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:29,439 Speaker 3: occurred to me that the missing ingredients with these goals 230 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 3: for me were the accountability and the urgency piece. I 231 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 3: didn't have someone that I was like reporting back to 232 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 3: that gave me specific due dates where there would be 233 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 3: consequences either monetary or just losing face if I didn't 234 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 3: follow through on what I set out to do. 235 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 4: For me, that was the missing ingredient. 236 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 3: There were also some other things I thought about, like 237 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 3: when a project is just too big or too daunting 238 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 3: and there's too much fear of failure, and so I 239 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 3: kind of worked on each of those elements as well, 240 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 3: but I do think the accountability was the biggest piece, 241 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:59,199 Speaker 3: and for a state planning, I ended up hiring a 242 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:01,079 Speaker 3: lawyer that I then said, I want you to give 243 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 3: me assignments. I want to set up in person meetings 244 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 3: where we have to get things done before the meeting, 245 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 3: and like we get charged if we don't come, you know, 246 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:10,959 Speaker 3: or it would be very embarrassing to move things. 247 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 4: And that ended up allowing. 248 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 3: Us to check this task off the list after it 249 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:16,079 Speaker 3: festered for years. 250 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 4: Josh and I knew something we wanted to do and 251 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 4: then didn't do. 252 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 3: It, and the book was similar, and I was thinking 253 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 3: about starting to query agents and kind of looking out 254 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:27,719 Speaker 3: into the world, but then lightning struck, I guess, and 255 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:31,559 Speaker 3: I talked about it on my podcast, and a editor 256 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:36,199 Speaker 3: from a well known publishing house, Source Books, actually emailed 257 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 3: me and I think we'll take a break and I'll 258 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 3: tell the rest of the story. 259 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:52,839 Speaker 2: All right, Well, let's take a break. Well we are 260 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:57,199 Speaker 2: back talking about best Like Plans, the book, not the podcast, 261 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 2: because there is now a book out in the world 262 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 2: by doctor Sarah hart Unker that is sharing with us 263 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 2: a plan for creating the life we love. So, Sarah, 264 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 2: you are saying you had this on your list for 265 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 2: years and then you got an email from an editor 266 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 2: who had listened to your show and you heard you 267 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 2: talking about this and said, whoa, we'd be interested in 268 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 2: talking about this. 269 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:20,079 Speaker 1: So what happened then? 270 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 3: So then we set up a zoom meeting and she 271 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 3: told me, we're interested, we like the topic idea, we 272 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 3: see you have an audience, but we're going to need 273 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 3: a formal proposal. 274 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 4: And she had a timeline in mind. 275 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 3: She said, if we were going to release this book 276 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 3: in January of twenty twenty six, I know it's December 277 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 3: of twenty five, but originally we were thinking January twenty six, 278 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 3: then I would need that proposal by I think it 279 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 3: was August of twenty twenty four. She was able because 280 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:46,439 Speaker 3: she's in the industry to think backwards and exactly how 281 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 3: many months each step would take, and at the time, 282 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 3: I think it was something like June. I'm making these 283 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 3: exact dates up, but it was not a ton of time, 284 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 3: which was perfect because I think if she had given 285 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 3: me eight months, I might have spun my wheels for 286 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 3: a really long time. But it was tight enough that 287 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 3: I was like, Wow, a fire has been lit. A 288 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 3: person wants this structured item from me. And the other 289 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:07,319 Speaker 3: thing that I did when I knew I had to 290 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:09,079 Speaker 3: write the book proposal or I really wanted to write 291 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 3: the book proposal, is it was able to get a 292 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 3: template off someone else's book proposal, which was about something 293 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 3: totally unrelated to planning. 294 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:18,199 Speaker 4: It was about like bird migration. 295 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 3: But it allowed me to see that along with the 296 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 3: nonfiction book blueprint for a nonfiction book proposal, I think 297 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:27,719 Speaker 3: by Jenny Nash. So I combined those two resources and 298 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:30,200 Speaker 3: created a checklist that made the whole thing less daunting. 299 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 3: I knew I had to complete these twelve sections or 300 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 3: whatever they were, and I had two months to do it. 301 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 3: So I was finally able to chunk this task up 302 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:41,559 Speaker 3: into something less terrifying than write book proposal. I already 303 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 3: had a due date, I had a timeline, and it 304 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 3: had been broken up smaller, and so I would say 305 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:50,679 Speaker 3: those things all came together and finally allowed me to 306 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:52,239 Speaker 3: move forward with bestly plans. 307 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 1: Yeah. 308 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 2: Well, and for anyone who's thinking of writing a nonfiction book, yeah, 309 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 2: the proposal is a key stage of it. But you 310 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 2: don't have to invent this out of whole cloth. I 311 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 2: mean there are tons of resources out there, like you 312 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 2: could just google how do I write a book proposal, 313 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:10,679 Speaker 2: and you'll find ones, and there are books of successful 314 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 2: book proposals, for instance, that you can look at. And 315 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 2: the general idea is you are trying to convince agents 316 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 2: and publishers why the world needs this book, you know, 317 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 2: and then why you are the person to write it. 318 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: It is a marketing document, more or less. 319 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 2: And so Sarah created one of these, and happily enough, 320 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 2: her publisher decided to go through with it because you 321 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 2: had all the material from the courses you'd been teaching 322 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 2: at that point. 323 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, there was definitely an element of readiness as well. 324 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 3: And fun fact, someone else from source Books who's now 325 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 3: higher up there, even had reached out to me in 326 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 3: twenty eighteen with a similar query. And I don't think 327 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 3: it's a coincidence because Source Books is a very female 328 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 3: led organization and they're always looking for strong woman voices 329 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 3: and they had been interested prior, but I wasn't ready. 330 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 3: I think it took many rounds of teaching my content 331 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 3: to others to really make it more cohesive, to understand 332 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 3: what was actually valuable in practice to individuals, and just 333 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 3: to make me feel like enough of an expert that 334 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 3: I could sell myself into writing this book. I think 335 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 3: I tried to put pen to paper to write that 336 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 3: proposal in twenty eighteen and realized I just wasn't there yet. 337 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, because you need the content to write a book. 338 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 2: And you know somebody who said write a book about planning, 339 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 2: You're like, okay, where are the systems? Right? I just 340 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 2: here's what I do every week. But you know, can't 341 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 2: really make sixty thousand words out of that. So yeah, 342 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 2: Then happily source book accepted the proposal, and you had 343 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 2: to turn it around quite quickly, right, I mean, I've 344 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 2: seen your time logs. 345 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: There's not a ton of room for writing. 346 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 3: Yes, I believe it was due initially something like January, 347 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 3: and it was able to push it to February. And 348 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 3: this was starting in September or October. So I did 349 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 3: have a few chapters already written as they had been 350 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 3: included in my proposal as sample chapters, and didn't have 351 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 3: to change too much to the point of completing the book. 352 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 3: But there there was a lot to do it in 353 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 3: a little time. I think the timeline would have been 354 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 3: relatively daunting to even someone who had a full time 355 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 3: job as a writer, and I absolutely do not. The 356 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 3: thing that I did have on my side was again, 357 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 3: I had taught that content to a lot of people. 358 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 4: A lot of times. 359 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 3: I had PowerPoint presentations kind of almost an outline form 360 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 3: of my book, because a lot of the material came 361 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 3: from the concepts that I taught and tweaked and refined 362 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 3: in Best Laid Plans Academy, and so I was able 363 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 3: to use that as templates for parts of the book. 364 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 3: Then there were other sections I really had to write 365 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 3: from scratch, and I filled in the cracks of my 366 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 3: life with writing. It was a very busy time. I 367 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 3: don't really want to work that many hours per week normally, 368 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 3: but I'm so glad in retrospect that I did, including 369 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 3: the hours I spent writing while we were on our 370 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 3: family vacation in Montana. I wrote after skiing. I wrote 371 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 3: on the plane because again my dutate was looming, and 372 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 3: at the time I wasn't entirely thrilled about it. But again, 373 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 3: once I finished, that feeling of satisfaction having completed something 374 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 3: that I was so proud of, it felt very worth it. 375 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, well, we can always push for a 376 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:08,440 Speaker 2: little bit with anything, and that doesn't mean you have 377 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 2: to do it for the rest of your life. But 378 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 2: if you have something big you want to do, sometimes 379 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 2: it does take some extra hours. And you know, you 380 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 2: spend a lot of time with your family, so it's 381 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,920 Speaker 2: not like, you know, it's world's greatest tragedy to take 382 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:22,439 Speaker 2: a few hours on a ski trip to write. But 383 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 2: let's talk about what is actually in the book, because 384 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 2: I'm sure we have some people listening to this who 385 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:30,439 Speaker 2: are saying, Okay, well, Sarah, I am a faithful listener 386 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 2: of the Best Laid Plans podcast. What am I going 387 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 2: to get in the book that I'm not getting by 388 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 2: listening to you every week? 389 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:39,880 Speaker 1: Yeah? 390 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 3: So the book is structured as the introduction tells you 391 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 3: the sort of three key items that I think everyone 392 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 3: needs to plan, and that part's not going to be 393 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 3: brand new to you. I talk about air tight task management, 394 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:52,479 Speaker 3: I talk about in calendar, and I talk about goal setting. 395 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 3: Then there are detailed, detailed descriptions more so than I 396 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 3: get into the podcast. 397 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 4: With a little bit more personal sharing. 398 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 3: I think as well about each of those time horizons 399 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:03,400 Speaker 3: of goal setting and planning, So I go from all 400 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:06,159 Speaker 3: the way from the year down to the day, and 401 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:08,680 Speaker 3: then there's a series of chapters that really aren't things 402 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 3: I've necessarily gone into detail about on the podcast, like 403 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 3: struggles that people have in meeting goals, struggles they have 404 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 3: within planning itself, the things like planner privilege that I've 405 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:21,199 Speaker 3: touched on but certainly haven't written as in depth as 406 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 3: I do in the book. And then finally, there is 407 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:26,160 Speaker 3: a section at the end where I go through vignettes 408 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:28,879 Speaker 3: of people who graciously shared their. 409 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 4: Kind of take on my systems with me. 410 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:33,639 Speaker 3: So these are real people, most of them I know 411 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 3: in some way in real life, that go through how 412 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 3: did they do their task management, how do they do 413 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 3: their version of netted goals? What elements from my system 414 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 3: do they incorporate, what does not work for them? Do 415 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 3: they use paper, digital or both? So those vignettes are 416 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:48,119 Speaker 3: I think one of my favorite parts of the book. 417 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:53,119 Speaker 3: And then finally, the book contains checklists at every single level, 418 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 3: so I think it could be a really valuable reference 419 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:58,399 Speaker 3: for some people who just want a guided way of 420 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 3: going through their planning on the daily, week, clean, monthly, seasonal, 421 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 3: and annual level. 422 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:03,400 Speaker 4: Those checklists are convenient. 423 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:06,400 Speaker 3: I hope people write all over the book or make 424 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:09,199 Speaker 3: copies or do whatever they need to do. But I 425 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 3: think that they're going to be very practical for people. 426 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 3: I really envision this book as if I was going 427 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 3: to kind of compare to any other book out there, 428 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:21,359 Speaker 3: I probably would say getting things done. And obviously that's 429 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:23,920 Speaker 3: a very high pedestal. It's a very popular book that's 430 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 3: sold nine jillion copies, but that's kind of the structure. 431 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 3: It's a very complete system, and you're allowed to take, 432 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 3: of course, elements from that system that resonate with you 433 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 3: and leave the ones that don't. But if you're looking 434 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 3: for the entire package of here's a way you could 435 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 3: plan everything, and here are ways that you might think 436 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 3: about troubleshooting if things aren't working, then you will find 437 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 3: that in Bestaid Plans the book. 438 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, it's a comprehensive system, similar to David Allen 439 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:53,640 Speaker 2: was offering a comprehensive system for people trying to organize 440 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 2: their lives. So if your life looks a little bit 441 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 2: more like Sarah's, then you might find this helpful. Speaking 442 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:02,639 Speaker 2: of which Sarah, I mean planning privilege is one of 443 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 2: these concepts that you have put out there that I 444 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:09,159 Speaker 2: would assign your name to this when you talk about it, 445 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 2: because well, what is this and let's talk a little 446 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:13,679 Speaker 2: bit about what that is. 447 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 3: Sure, So I noticed a phenomenon, particularly in couples with 448 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:20,920 Speaker 3: a male half and a female half, though it absolutely 449 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:24,680 Speaker 3: is not specific to that, where one partner more typically 450 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 3: the female ends up doing a lot of the planning 451 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:30,360 Speaker 3: for the family, and the other partner is either obstructive 452 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 3: or just devalues that work by saying things like why 453 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 3: do we have to be so structured? I don't want 454 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 3: to be so regimented. I just want to live freely. 455 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:41,919 Speaker 3: You're spending a lot of work stressing yourself out for nothing. 456 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 3: And sometimes these come from a place of watching their 457 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:47,119 Speaker 3: partner maybe do a lot of work planning and seeing 458 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:49,680 Speaker 3: that it takes time, and maybe they'd rather their partner 459 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 3: be a little bit more relaxed. But the part that 460 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 3: they're missing is that without those efforts, probably a lot 461 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:57,120 Speaker 3: of little pieces of life that they take for granted 462 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:02,439 Speaker 3: might just not happen. And I don't necessarily advocate that 463 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:05,680 Speaker 3: people move to a shared load model in the planning, 464 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 3: because it's often that one person just has a little 465 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 3: bit more inclination than the others. But it's more to 466 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:13,919 Speaker 3: make this work visible and valued and make sure that 467 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:16,159 Speaker 3: there is an air of cooperation about it rather than 468 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 3: an air of disdain. I think that sometimes this can 469 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 3: go as deep as hurting relationships, and other times it's 470 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:28,360 Speaker 3: more about someone just feeling like they're not supported despite 471 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:30,479 Speaker 3: wanting to put a lot of effort into making their 472 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 3: families life run smoothly. So planning privilege is something I 473 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 3: talk about. I do think it's a treatable condition, and 474 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 3: I think the more that people talk about what kinds 475 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 3: of systems they are doing for their family and what 476 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 3: those benefits might be, the less planning privilege is a problem. 477 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. 478 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 2: I mean, if you think about it, nobody thinks in 479 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:52,199 Speaker 2: their professional life, well, let's just see what happens and 480 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 2: we'll find out what our sales are for this year. 481 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,360 Speaker 1: At the end, it'll be exciting. We'll be spontaneous about it. 482 00:21:57,920 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, And you know, on a kind of best of 483 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 3: both worlds angle, being spontaneous when you have young kids 484 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 3: almost always involves childcare, and if you are the parent 485 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 3: who's not the default plarent, then maybe being spontaneous is great, 486 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 3: because you could just be like, well, the defaults got 487 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 3: the kids, so I'll just pop out for a spontaneous 488 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 3: round of golf with my friends. But if you are 489 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 3: the default parent, then spontaneous means you are never gonna 490 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 3: really feel like you can. 491 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:23,399 Speaker 4: Have a break. 492 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 3: So that's kind of another layer of how planning privilege 493 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 3: might be interpreted. 494 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:30,640 Speaker 2: Absolutely, well, we're going to take one more quick ad 495 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 2: break and then we'll be back with more on Best 496 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:33,400 Speaker 2: Laid Plans. 497 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 1: The book. 498 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,160 Speaker 2: Well, we are back talking about Sarah's new book, Best 499 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 2: Laid Plans. Encourage you to pick it up. It is 500 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 2: out today, so you can go order a copy as 501 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 2: you are listening to this, or stop by your local 502 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 2: bookstore figure out where you can and get that. You 503 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 2: had pre order bittises but Sarah like, it's out today, right, 504 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 2: I mean, we can't pre order anymore. 505 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 4: The book is out today, That is true. 506 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,640 Speaker 3: I really do want to thank everyone who did pre order, 507 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,639 Speaker 3: and who knows, maybe I'll be able to share bits 508 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 3: of what I provided to my pre order fans and 509 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 3: supporters in the future, but really, thank you so much 510 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 3: to anyone who's even considering taking this book out from 511 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:25,919 Speaker 3: the library. Purchasing it, I don't know, sharing it on 512 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 3: social media, whatever you can do. 513 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,680 Speaker 2: Is there a world tour planned? I mean, what are 514 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 2: you going to be doing to promote it? 515 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:34,199 Speaker 4: Yeah? 516 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:37,680 Speaker 3: I will be doing my usual, which is hopefully appearing 517 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 3: on podcasts and sharing on my website and obviously on 518 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 3: our Patreon and other platforms. I don't know about how 519 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,360 Speaker 3: many in the wild opportunities I will have. A lot 520 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 3: of bookstores are pretty selective about who they will have. 521 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 3: I know, the better that the book does, the more 522 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 3: likely I may be able to make some appearances. If 523 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 3: anyone listening this has tied or owns a great bookstore 524 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,679 Speaker 3: somewhere and wants to have me share about the book, 525 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:06,119 Speaker 3: we could possibly make that happen. 526 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,200 Speaker 4: So let me know. My email is my name, Sarah 527 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:09,639 Speaker 4: Hartunger at gmail dot com. 528 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:14,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, and in general, anyone who has a social media following, 529 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 2: you know, anyone who like shares things you enjoy with 530 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 2: the world, We would love if you could take a 531 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:25,159 Speaker 2: picture of the book, talk about reading it, post a 532 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 2: review on any of the reading sites I mean, Amazon, Goodreads, 533 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,359 Speaker 2: et cetera. If you have a newsletter, we would be 534 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:35,439 Speaker 2: thrilled to have you share news of the book in there, 535 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:37,680 Speaker 2: anything you could do to spread the word. I can 536 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 2: tell you, having been through this a few times, that 537 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 2: word of mouth is extremely helpful. And there's nothing that 538 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:48,120 Speaker 2: sells a book beyond people being excited about it and 539 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 2: sharing it with other readers and deciding that they want 540 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 2: to have it too. So congrats, Sarah. 541 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:55,120 Speaker 4: Thank you so much. 542 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 3: I'm so so excited and I appreciate all you have 543 00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 3: done to share the book. Laura. 544 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 2: Fun to watch this journey, to see a goal come 545 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 2: to fruition over many years and make it happen. I mean, 546 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 2: this is a testament to the power of setting goals 547 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,879 Speaker 2: and then being patient on the timeline, but knowing that 548 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 2: eventually it will happen. 549 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:20,399 Speaker 1: So go pick up a copy. 550 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 2: And now onto our Q and A. On a book note, Sarah, 551 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,959 Speaker 2: where or how do you track your reading? 552 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 4: Yeah? 553 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,159 Speaker 3: So I have on my website, on my blog a 554 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 3: page that just says like twenty twenty five books, and 555 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,880 Speaker 3: then it has dropped down so you can see past years. 556 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,199 Speaker 3: I started doing this in twenty twenty. I used to 557 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 3: have paper systems of tracking, but I wanted something for 558 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,360 Speaker 3: reading that would be long term. I feel like it's 559 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,120 Speaker 3: actually one of my greatest life regrets that I did 560 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 3: not start tracking my reading earlier. But you know, twenty 561 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 3: twenty that's not a terrible time to start. 562 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 1: I'm curious why would it be a regret it. 563 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:56,360 Speaker 2: Do you think there was a book you read in 564 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,399 Speaker 2: two thousand and nine that you're so excited about you 565 00:25:58,400 --> 00:25:59,639 Speaker 2: can't remember the title now. 566 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,679 Speaker 3: I would just love to be able to see what 567 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 3: I was reading back then. I think it would be 568 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 3: so interesting. I mean, I guess I could. I've probably 569 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 3: mentioned a lot of the books I've read on my blog. 570 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 3: I could maybe ask AI to create it. 571 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 1: Could probably make a list. 572 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 2: It could craze on all your blog posts and pull 573 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 2: titles from all of us. 574 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 3: It would have tons of errors, but it would still 575 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 3: be super interesting. So maybe I will do that. 576 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you could go in and correct the record, right, 577 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,439 Speaker 2: like I mean, you can see like I mean, because 578 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 2: who knows. You may have referred to it by not 579 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,879 Speaker 2: entirely the right name, or said something you know, like 580 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 2: how people do, and it would have no good way 581 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 2: of knowing sometimes if what was a book or something else. 582 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 1: But it could work. 583 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, what about you? Do you track your reading? 584 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 2: No? 585 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:49,160 Speaker 1: I don't. 586 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 2: I used to briefly from about twenty seventeen to twenty nineteen, 587 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 2: which perhaps long time readers might recall as something of 588 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 2: a reading renaissance in my life. But I went through 589 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:05,920 Speaker 2: and I actually read a lot of the books on 590 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 2: my sort of reading bucket list during that period of time, 591 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 2: and so I was tracking it, writing down the titles 592 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,679 Speaker 2: I had read during that time, and I think at 593 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 2: twenty seventeen, I probably I mean, I read well over 594 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 2: one hundred books, and some of those were I mean 595 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 2: literally Warren Peace, Kristin Lavern's Zatter one Q eighty four. 596 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 2: I mean those were all on the list in twenty seventeen, 597 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 2: twenty eighteen. I mean I also have reread Ulysses, I 598 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:32,120 Speaker 2: read Moby Dick, I read you know, all the. 599 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,879 Speaker 1: Other like the Middle March, all the other big ones. 600 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 2: And then I think by twenty nineteen I was kind 601 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 2: of like, okay, not that there are no more books 602 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 2: to read in life, but I read a lot of 603 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,399 Speaker 2: the ones that were initially on my list of like 604 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:47,200 Speaker 2: the greatest hits that I hadn't read. So I either 605 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 2: needed to start making a new list or I don't know, 606 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 2: And I kind of lost intensity at that point, and 607 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:58,359 Speaker 2: then life happened. We had Henry, you know, the pandemic. 608 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 2: I didn't wind up continuing with tracking reading. I would say, 609 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 2: I don't know if it would improve my reading life 610 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 2: or not. It's just not something I felt a huge 611 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 2: need to do. But I know a lot of people 612 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:12,639 Speaker 2: do enjoy it for the reasons you said. I mean, 613 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 2: you don't like to see what you've read, or maybe 614 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 2: some people find the numbers exciting. 615 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 1: Do you think it's that For. 616 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 3: Me, it's not really the numbers, and I seem to 617 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 3: read the same number of books no matter what I do, 618 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 3: So it's more I think I really like being able 619 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 3: to at the end of the year reflect back, Oh, 620 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 3: these were my five favorites, and these are the ones 621 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 3: that I go to to recommend, or these are the 622 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 3: ones that I might want to revisit again. I think 623 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,679 Speaker 3: it's more about the actual titles themselves, and also just 624 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 3: looking for patterns, like, oh, wow, in that year I 625 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 3: read all these books about mindfulness, but then in that 626 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,479 Speaker 3: year all my nonfiction was about digital distractions, Like I 627 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 3: just think that's super fascinating. 628 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 4: I feel like I'm so almost surprised. 629 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 3: You don't build the reading log into your timelog, but 630 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 3: that would go against your tenet that keeping the timelog 631 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 3: very simple is what allows it to be so incredibly 632 00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 3: sustainable for you. 633 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, it does. And I mean I started. 634 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 2: Putting like how many miles I had run on that, 635 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 2: but that wasn't when I first started like that took 636 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 2: another year or two before I was like, okay, well 637 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,719 Speaker 2: if I run, I'll put the distance next to it, 638 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 2: so I have then a record of that. But I 639 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 2: didn't do the books. And you know I could. I 640 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 2: could put it in, but I don't know. I mean, 641 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 2: some of them aren't that memorable. Yeah, we'll get back 642 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 2: to you. 643 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 1: But you know, if anyone's looking for how do you 644 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 1: do this? I mean obviously you can use anything. 645 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 2: I mean, you could just keep a notebook that you 646 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 2: list the titles and authors and maybe a thought on it, 647 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 2: like if you want to remember, like did you like 648 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 2: the book? I mean, that might be one of the 649 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 2: reasons to track is to remember did I like this book? 650 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 1: Did I not like this book? Or what did I 651 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 1: like about this book? Because that might help you find 652 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 1: similar books in the near future. 653 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 3: So one hack for that is that. And I learned 654 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 3: this from one of the book podcasts. But there's like 655 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 3: these detailed spreadsheets and one column some people is who 656 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 3: recommended this book or what specific imprint the book was 657 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 3: from a publishing house. So keeping track of those things 658 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 3: will help you figure out ooh, every time Jenny recommends 659 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 3: a book, I'm devouring it so that you will be 660 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 3: more likely to. 661 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,480 Speaker 1: Whereas Karen's recommendations just don't land. 662 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 4: So you can, poor Karen. 663 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 2: Take that with a grain of salt next time she 664 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 2: is recommending a book. 665 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that would be a good hack. Or even 666 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 1: just the star rating. 667 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:28,720 Speaker 2: You know, out of ten stars or five stars, whatever, 668 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 2: like how you thought of this book or you know 669 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 2: it was this seven out of ten or you know 670 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 2: nine out of ten or two out of ten, like 671 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 2: then I hope you don't finish it. Or some people 672 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,800 Speaker 2: use good Reads for tracking their reading their shelf, like 673 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 2: what they would like to read, So they could do 674 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 2: this digitally and share it as a form of social 675 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 2: media as well, if you'd be you'd be. 676 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 3: Into or story graph that's the big competitor I think 677 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 3: these days. 678 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, so any other that would work. Sarah, what's your 679 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 1: love of the week this week? 680 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, my love of the week is hmm, I hadn't 681 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 3: written oh the inspiration of the Board countdown of the 682 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 3: top twenty one holiday albums released in the twenty first century. 683 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 3: I'm having a lot of fun with that. I mean, 684 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 3: as this airs, there are nine days till Christmas, so 685 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 3: you could do two to three a day and get 686 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 3: through all of them. 687 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 4: I mean there's a lot of hours in a day 688 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 4: you could do this. 689 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 3: So so far, highlights have probably been I mean, Casey 690 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 3: Musgraves already knew I loved that, but I was glad 691 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 3: to see it on the list, and surprisingly good Michael Bublet, 692 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 3: I mean, maybe not surprising to some people, but I 693 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 3: think of him as just so cheesy. But with holiday music, 694 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 3: it just kind of worked. 695 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 1: That's what you want. You want the cheesiness. 696 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean, listening to three of those albums 697 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 2: a day, you might be getting a lot of Oh 698 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 2: Holy Night, so. 699 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 1: Just brace yourself for that. 700 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 2: But if you have a lot of long car trips, 701 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 2: or you know, you're wrapping presents, that maybe could keep 702 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 2: you entertained, or you could just fast forward through Oh 703 00:31:55,680 --> 00:32:01,040 Speaker 2: Holy Night. So my love of the week is fancy Tree. 704 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 2: So we now have two Christmas trees. Actually we have 705 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:05,960 Speaker 2: more than two Christmas trees, because Ruth has a Christmas 706 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 2: tree as well. But there are two full sized Christmas 707 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 2: trees in our house. We have the live tree that 708 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 2: we get from the fire station every year, and that 709 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 2: one we decorate with all the old ornaments, the colorful lights, 710 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,720 Speaker 2: all that good stuff. Then I have the fancy tree 711 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 2: in the formal living room, which is a one of 712 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 2: those artificial but from like the high end companies or whatever, 713 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 2: and it's got the white lights and the glowy ornaments 714 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 2: and all matching and such, and I enjoy that, Like 715 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 2: that's the kind of tree I never had, what the 716 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 2: elegant tree. The elegant tree, I call it the fancy tree. 717 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 2: But that just adds to my holiday joy. And then 718 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 2: I don't feel the need to police the family tree 719 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 2: in any way, Like it can have whatever you want, it. 720 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:52,120 Speaker 1: Can have the colorful lights. 721 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 2: I don't care, because I have my tree that has 722 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 2: the sort of calm, neutral esthetic that you would see 723 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:00,160 Speaker 2: in a magazine. 724 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 4: I love it. 725 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 3: My kids are actually sad that they're not going to 726 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 3: get to decorate your tree this year, Laura. 727 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 2: But we'd love to have them. Maybe it's already decorated 728 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 2: but maybe in the future. We would love to have 729 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 2: them back any Thanksgiving you guys wind up here that 730 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 2: can be part of our extravaganza. 731 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,760 Speaker 1: Well, this has been best of both worlds. We've been 732 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:21,520 Speaker 1: talking best laid Plans the. 733 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 2: Book which is out today, so encourage you to go 734 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,360 Speaker 2: pick up a copy of Sarah's new book and we 735 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,400 Speaker 2: will be back next week with more on making work 736 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 2: and life fit together. 737 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 4: Thanks for listening. 738 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 3: You can find me Sarah at the shoebox dot com 739 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 3: or at the Underscore Shoebox on Instagram, and you can. 740 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:43,920 Speaker 1: Find me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. This has 741 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 1: been the best of both worlds podcasts. 742 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,320 Speaker 2: Please join us next time for more on making work 743 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 2: and life work together.