WEBVTT - Ep 20: The Politics of Storytelling

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, what's up everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Jameel Hill and welcome to politics and I heard

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<v Speaker 2>podcast and unbothered production.

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<v Speaker 1>Time to get spolitical.

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<v Speaker 2>NFL free agency is hot and heavy, with teams spending

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<v Speaker 2>a massive billion dollars in one weekend by signing, resigning,

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<v Speaker 2>and giving contract extensions to a number of players. Devanta

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<v Speaker 2>Adams is set to join the Los Angeles Rams on

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<v Speaker 2>a two year, forty six million dollar deal. Cleveland resigned

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<v Speaker 2>defensive end Miles Geartt to a record contract extension that

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<v Speaker 2>makes him the highest.

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<v Speaker 1>Paid nine quarterback in league history.

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<v Speaker 2>Now correct me if I'm wrong, But wasn't this the

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<v Speaker 2>same Miles Garrett who requested a trade from the Browns

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<v Speaker 2>to a contender not too long ago? The Browns threw

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<v Speaker 2>an average salary of forty million per year at him,

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred and twenty three point five million in guaranteed

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<v Speaker 2>money and a no trade clause. And now he's back

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<v Speaker 2>to being team clete He's rich, He is rich, rich.

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<v Speaker 3>He got his own money. And baby, when I say

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<v Speaker 3>you he's got his own money, I mean the boy

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<v Speaker 3>has got his own money.

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<v Speaker 2>Also shout out to Garri's agent, Nicole Lynn at Clutch

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<v Speaker 2>Sports y'all worked the Browns like it was the third

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<v Speaker 2>shift at the waffle house, but no fights, and y'all

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<v Speaker 2>got all of your teeth. But seeing these players enjoy

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<v Speaker 2>these multimillion dollar contracts and having the ability to use

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<v Speaker 2>their leverage to either stay in place depending on their

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<v Speaker 2>market value, made me think of the person who made

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of this possible, former Major League Baseball player

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<v Speaker 2>Kirk Flood. It's Flood who changed professional sports forever by

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<v Speaker 2>creating what we all know as free agency. Now, let

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<v Speaker 2>me give you the backstory on Kirk Flood. He was

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<v Speaker 2>a center fielder for the Saint Louis Cardinals, one of

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<v Speaker 2>the best in the game, having won seven straight Golden

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<v Speaker 2>Gloves at one point, and he also was a key

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<v Speaker 2>member of the cardinals nineteen sixty four and nineteen sixty

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<v Speaker 2>seven World Series championship teams. Now, in nineteen sixty eight,

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<v Speaker 2>the Cardinals again appeared in the World Series, this time

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<v Speaker 2>against the Detroit Tigers. In the seventh inning of Game seven,

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<v Speaker 2>Flood made a critical error that many believe clinched the

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<v Speaker 2>World Series for the Tigers.

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<v Speaker 4>And the Tigers now made their first threat with two

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<v Speaker 4>hour basis by cash and heart brings up this Grand Slam.

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<v Speaker 4>Testing Kim Off from He's had two homers and six runs.

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<v Speaker 5>About it in.

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<v Speaker 4>In the series, he had twenty one homers and let

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<v Speaker 4>his team and runs about it in.

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<v Speaker 6>During the season with ninety He's.

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<v Speaker 4>Had one out of nine against the pitching of Gibson,

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<v Speaker 4>and out was a home run. That was the only

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<v Speaker 4>run the Gibson's bre noted in this series.

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<v Speaker 5>My Carver.

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<v Speaker 4>And Gibson are not discussing the weather, which is beautiful.

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<v Speaker 6>Arthur kicks the ball to all fields.

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<v Speaker 7>Cry ball Flood.

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<v Speaker 6>Pry almost thought he must touch him, but over his head,

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<v Speaker 6>who runs are gonna star? The same thing almost happened

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<v Speaker 6>earlier in the game that Jim Arthur, and now it

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<v Speaker 6>has happened to one of the greatest defensive center fielders

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<v Speaker 6>in baseball, her Flood when.

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<v Speaker 5>He started off or something happened to his underputting watches.

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<v Speaker 5>Now he catches his faccine and he nearly fell downs,

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<v Speaker 5>and that cost him engaging the ball. But very rarely

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<v Speaker 5>has ever a misjudged the ball out there. But when

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<v Speaker 5>he strumbled on his way, it threw him out of

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<v Speaker 5>his path.

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<v Speaker 4>He couldn't get back to bass Dale over his then

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<v Speaker 4>and the Tigers now have two runs in the seventh

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<v Speaker 4>and this all came after two outs.

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<v Speaker 3>Nobody eyes now.

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<v Speaker 2>The Tigers went on to win the World Series, But

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<v Speaker 2>then things really got interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>In the spring of the following year.

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<v Speaker 2>After the World Series loss, Flood and the Cardinals had

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<v Speaker 2>a bitter contract negotiation. Flood held out during spring training

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<v Speaker 2>after demanding to receive a ninety thousand dollars contract, a

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<v Speaker 2>pretty healthy sum in those days. Flood got his money,

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<v Speaker 2>but management remained bitter because in those days they weren't

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<v Speaker 2>used to players exercising any leverage. In October of nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>sixty nine, the Cardinals traded Flood to the Philadelphia Phillies,

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<v Speaker 2>who were reportedly offering Flood a ten thousand dollars raise

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<v Speaker 2>that would put his salary at one hundred thousand dollars now.

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<v Speaker 2>Flood wasn't interested and refused to report to Philadelphia. Instead,

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<v Speaker 2>Flood wrote in one hundred and thirty four word letter

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<v Speaker 2>to Major League Baseball Commissioner Bowie Kon explaining why he

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't concede to the trade. Flood wrote, after twelve years

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<v Speaker 2>in the major leagues, I do not feel that I

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<v Speaker 2>am a piece of property to be bought and sold

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<v Speaker 2>irrespective of my wishes.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe that any system which produces.

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<v Speaker 2>That result violates my ba basic rights as a citizen

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<v Speaker 2>and is inconsistent with the laws of the United States and.

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<v Speaker 1>Of several states.

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<v Speaker 2>Flood was calling Major League Baseball's reserve clause into question.

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<v Speaker 2>Under the reserve clause, the only way a player could

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<v Speaker 2>leave a team is if he was traded or released

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<v Speaker 2>without the ability to make themselves available on the open market.

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<v Speaker 2>Players weren't paid what they truly were worth according to

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<v Speaker 2>market value because.

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<v Speaker 1>They had no market they could explore.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, the reason Major League Baseball didn't have to compete

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<v Speaker 2>for players is because the Supreme Court ruled in nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>twenty two that baseball was exempt from anti trust laws,

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<v Speaker 2>which are in place to promote competition, prevent monopolies, price fixing,

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<v Speaker 2>and generally discourage anti competitive behavior. Baseball is currently the

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<v Speaker 2>only major sport with an anti trust exemption. Now, Bowie

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<v Speaker 2>Kun refused to grant Flood's request, so Flood filed a

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<v Speaker 2>lawsuit against the Commissioner and Major League Baseball, seeking to

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<v Speaker 2>overturn Major League Baseball's anti trust status. Now, the Major

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<v Speaker 2>League Baseball Players Association also voted to Backflood and helped

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<v Speaker 2>pay his legal but as you might imagine, Flood's resistance

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<v Speaker 2>did not go over well with the establishment, the public,

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<v Speaker 2>and certainly not the media. Here's Flood being interviewed by

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<v Speaker 2>renowned sportscaster Howard Cosel, who asked Flood to explain how

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<v Speaker 2>he could be paid so much money yet still be

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<v Speaker 2>so unhappy with his situation.

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<v Speaker 3>The problem it's been written, Kurt, that you're a man

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<v Speaker 3>who makes ninety thousand dollars a year, which isn't exactly

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<v Speaker 3>slave voyages what you're talk tonight.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, Howard, a well paid slave is nonetheless a slave.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, even though it was Cosel that mentioned slavery, you

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<v Speaker 2>probably can imagine how poorly Flood's comments went over with

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<v Speaker 2>the fans, owners, and the media. Here's author Brad Snyder,

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<v Speaker 2>who wrote a book about Flood that is aptly titled

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<v Speaker 2>Well Paid Slave, and historian Gerald Early on.

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<v Speaker 1>The backlash Flood received.

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<v Speaker 8>That slave analogy pissed off a lot of people. Kurt

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<v Speaker 8>was making seven times what the average American was making.

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<v Speaker 8>The thought that someone like that could be a victim

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<v Speaker 8>of injustice didn't resonate with people.

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<v Speaker 7>The Civil Rights Actor has been passed, the Voting Rights

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<v Speaker 7>Act has been passed by nineteen sixty eight. There's an

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<v Speaker 7>anti poverty program. So there's a kind of backlashes coming

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<v Speaker 7>from whites. Now you got black people coming out there

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<v Speaker 7>making irrational statements that I'm making ninety thousand dollars a

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<v Speaker 7>year and I'm a slave.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, thankfully this did not discourage Flood. Oh, y'all want

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about race. Flood said, well, let's talk about it.

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<v Speaker 4>Then, it's been a master and slave relationship.

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<v Speaker 3>As long as you do for I say this, you're fine.

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<v Speaker 2>As his case worked this way through the legal system,

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<v Speaker 2>his baseball career suffered. He didn't play it all in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy A year later, he was traded to the

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<v Speaker 2>Washington Senators, but he wasn't the same player. He appeared

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<v Speaker 2>in just thirteen games. He left the Senators in April

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy one and retired from baseball. Finally, in nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>seventy two, Flood's case went all the way to the

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<v Speaker 2>Supreme Court, but the court ruled in favor of Major

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<v Speaker 2>League Baseball.

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<v Speaker 1>And while Kurt Flood.

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<v Speaker 2>Was managing all of this, not a single major League

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<v Speaker 2>Baseball player showed up to the trial to support the

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<v Speaker 2>player who was fighting for their rights. A few years later,

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<v Speaker 2>the reserve clause finally ended in Major League baseball. In

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy five, pitchers Andy Messersmith and Dave McNally refused

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<v Speaker 2>to sign their one year contracts, but they played anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>When that season ended, an arbitrator ruled they could become

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<v Speaker 2>free agents, and that was the final straw that finally

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<v Speaker 2>led to free agency. Now, I think you all know

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<v Speaker 2>how this story goes. Neither Andy Messersmith or Dave McNally

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<v Speaker 2>lost their careers or faced the same criticism that Flood did.

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<v Speaker 1>But imagine if other.

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<v Speaker 2>Players had simply stood with Flood when he filed his lawsuit.

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<v Speaker 2>Either way, Flood gave everybody the blueprint. Here's Oscar Robertson

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<v Speaker 2>on how Kurt Flood inspired him to take up a

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<v Speaker 2>similar fight for NBA players in the nineteen seventies.

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<v Speaker 3>In basketball, we knew that Kurt Fluy was trying to

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<v Speaker 3>achieve We thought it was right.

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<v Speaker 9>Three months after Flood had filed his lawsuit in nineteen

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<v Speaker 9>seventy Oscar Robertson and thirteen other professional basketball players sued

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<v Speaker 9>to abolish the reserve clause in the NBA following an

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<v Speaker 9>earlier failed attempt by star Rick Barry. Six years later,

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<v Speaker 9>they reached a settlement to bring free agency to their sport.

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<v Speaker 2>It took until nineteen ninety three for the NFL to

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<v Speaker 2>have full free agency, which was spearheaded by the late

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<v Speaker 2>Reggie White. The Hall of Famer was the lead plaintiff

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<v Speaker 2>in a class action anti trust lawsuit against the NFL.

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<v Speaker 2>Before free agency, every NFL team was allowed to protect

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<v Speaker 2>thirty seven players on their roster from leaving to another team.

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<v Speaker 1>When White left the Philadelphia Eagles to.

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<v Speaker 2>Sign a four year contract with the Green Bay Packers

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<v Speaker 2>or seventeen million, it wasn't just something he deserved, but

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<v Speaker 2>something he truly fought for. On this podcast last week,

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<v Speaker 2>I mentioned how Major League Baseball Commissioner Rob Manfred is

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<v Speaker 2>considering lifting the ban on Pete Rose from baseball, which

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<v Speaker 2>would make him eligible for the Hall of Fame posthumously. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>while Pete Rose was a great player, he crossed a

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<v Speaker 2>sacred line by gambling on the game. Manfred should instead

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<v Speaker 2>put that energy behind advocating for Kurt Flood to be

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<v Speaker 2>in the Hall of Fame. Even if you don't think

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<v Speaker 2>Flood was good enough to be elected as a player,

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<v Speaker 2>there is precedence for electing Flood as a contributor because

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<v Speaker 2>of how he impacted the growth of the game. The

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<v Speaker 2>former executive director of the Players Association, Marvin Miller, is

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<v Speaker 2>in the Hall of Fame because of his contributions, and

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<v Speaker 2>it was Miller who Flood consulted with before making his

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<v Speaker 2>decision to sue Major League Baseball. The average salary of

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<v Speaker 2>today's pro baseball player is five million a year, and

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<v Speaker 2>that would not have happened without Kurt Flood. Major League

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<v Speaker 2>Baseball needs to atone for blackballing a player whose only

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<v Speaker 2>offense was standing ten toes down.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Jamelle Hill, and I approved this message.

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<v Speaker 2>Up next on his politics, My guest is a former

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<v Speaker 2>NFL veteran who played with the likes of Randall Cunningham,

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<v Speaker 2>Randy Moss, and Chris Carter. He's a player who has

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<v Speaker 2>maximized his gifts and talent at every stop as an athlete,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's no surprise that he's been able to make

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<v Speaker 2>an amazing pivot into filmmaking and storytelling. And I can't

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<v Speaker 2>wait to tell him how I used to play with

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<v Speaker 2>him on Maddon coming up next on his politics Matthew Hatchett. So, Hatch,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to start this podcast by asking you a

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<v Speaker 2>question that I ask every guest that appears on politics,

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<v Speaker 2>and that is name an athlete or a moment that

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<v Speaker 2>made you love sports.

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<v Speaker 3>Ooh, that's kind of easy. So I remember it like

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<v Speaker 3>it was yesterday. All right, I'm sitting down watching sometime

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<v Speaker 3>in the nineties. Tell you how old I am the

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<v Speaker 3>Chicago Bulls versus the Cleveland Cavaliers, and they gave this

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<v Speaker 3>dude named Michael Jordan the ball with three seconds left.

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<v Speaker 3>And I knew about big shots and big games, but

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<v Speaker 3>I never knew about the energy of it or the

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<v Speaker 3>excitement of it. And I wasn't a Jordan fan up

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<v Speaker 3>until this. Right, I'm from Cleveland, Ohio, so you know,

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<v Speaker 3>we're watching, you know, our home team, the Cleveland Cavaliers,

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<v Speaker 3>and he just walks out on the court as Michael walks.

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<v Speaker 3>At that time, it was a normal walk, as you

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<v Speaker 3>know now, the way Michael walk was something out of

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<v Speaker 3>this world, right, you don't walk like everybody else. And

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<v Speaker 3>he like said, to get the ball in bounds, he

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<v Speaker 3>had to go one two, you know, give him a

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<v Speaker 3>little move or whatever, and then go attack the ball.

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<v Speaker 3>And then three seconds left, three two one he shoots

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<v Speaker 3>and the ball went in and I just jumped up

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<v Speaker 3>like I'm in the arena or like I had something

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<v Speaker 3>to do with it, right, But I had never been

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<v Speaker 3>that emotional about a game. My favorite sport was football,

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<v Speaker 3>of course, right, but just that moment of the ball

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<v Speaker 3>going through the hoop and he turns around and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>gives the fist pump and I was just so lost

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<v Speaker 3>in that three to five seconds of Jordan doing that, right,

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<v Speaker 3>making the shot, having the excitement, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know what, I want to feel that one day.

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<v Speaker 3>And of course that kind of started my journey of

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what I got to do, but I

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<v Speaker 3>know that that moment is not easy to have. So

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to do everything in my power to have

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<v Speaker 3>that moment at some point in my sports uh I

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<v Speaker 3>guess sports journey. And of course that was the moment

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<v Speaker 3>to me, Michael Jordan beating the Cavs with three seconds

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<v Speaker 3>left on the clock, game winning buzzer winning game for

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<v Speaker 3>Michael Jordan's.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, that was the shot that he hit over Craig Elo.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, that was the shout over hit over Craig Elo, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I think, and that won the series. And it was like,

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<v Speaker 3>I think the Caves might have been ranked, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>they like two seed, the Bulls were like seven or

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<v Speaker 3>something like that. I don't think it was one in eight,

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<v Speaker 3>but it was. The Bulls were definitely not favored to

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<v Speaker 3>win in Cleveland.

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<v Speaker 2>To win that series, you know how diabolical you have

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<v Speaker 2>to be for that to be your moment when so

0:13:51.800 --> 0:13:54.439
<v Speaker 2>many Cleveland fans are still scarred from that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just diabolical. Ahead I just thought, I disappointing sports memory.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, you know what, there's so many disappointing moments in

0:14:07.760 --> 0:14:10.559
<v Speaker 3>Cleveland sports history. Don't even worry about that one, y'all.

0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:13.360
<v Speaker 3>Don't even worry about that one. You got the fumble,

0:14:13.760 --> 0:14:16.480
<v Speaker 3>you know, you got the drive with l Way, you

0:14:16.559 --> 0:14:19.640
<v Speaker 3>got some other Cavaliers woes. But the Cavs have won

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<v Speaker 3>a championships since then. Lebron brought them one a couple

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<v Speaker 3>of years back, so I think they can forgive me

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<v Speaker 3>for this one.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So with that being said, given that you clearly had

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of respect and admiration from Michael Jordan, where

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<v Speaker 2>do you stand in the Jordan versus Lebron debate, it's.

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<v Speaker 3>Not even a debate. It's not even a debate. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>you're talking about a guy, and by the way, Kobe's

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<v Speaker 3>number two, but you're talking about and I'm going to

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<v Speaker 3>break it down to them trying to give the perspective

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<v Speaker 3>of the regular fan. Right, you look at Lebron and

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<v Speaker 3>what he did from being number one in high school

0:14:59.000 --> 0:15:02.280
<v Speaker 3>and being so big, you know, bigger, stronger, faster than everybody,

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<v Speaker 3>and then you take him to the NBA he's still bigger, stronger,

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<v Speaker 3>faster than anybody. Michael was the opposite, right, he had

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<v Speaker 3>to make himself into Michael Jordan. So it comes more

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<v Speaker 3>about respect than about just god given talent. Like Michael

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't six eight, he wasn't two forty. He wasn't going

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<v Speaker 3>to be able to just dominate physically, so he had

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<v Speaker 3>to figure out his game. He had to make himself

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<v Speaker 3>into Michael Jordan, which, you know, disrespect to Lebron, But

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<v Speaker 3>to me, there's no debate because you're talking about somebody

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<v Speaker 3>who made himself, you know, from the Mud, and instead

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<v Speaker 3>of just taking what he had, and he's bigger and stronger,

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<v Speaker 3>fast than everybody that's Lebron. That's cool. But I think

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<v Speaker 3>that work, ethic, determination, desire, all those things and what's

0:15:46.000 --> 0:15:48.760
<v Speaker 3>really made him, and I think those things are unmatched.

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<v Speaker 3>And of course we're talking about the finished product is

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<v Speaker 3>six rings and game winners, and people like, well, that's

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<v Speaker 3>who he is, Like that is nothing, that's not that's

0:15:58.640 --> 0:16:01.760
<v Speaker 3>the product, the by product of who he became. But

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<v Speaker 3>who he is was that fifteen, sixteen, nineteen year old

0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:08.600
<v Speaker 3>kid who lived in the gym, getting better every day

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<v Speaker 3>all day. And that's what I respect about Michael's journey,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's why it's unmatched to me. And he changed

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<v Speaker 3>a whole sport more than he just was a good player,

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<v Speaker 3>Like Lebron's a great player, but I just you can't

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<v Speaker 3>put Lebron in Hong Kong, in China and he just

0:16:26.880 --> 0:16:30.480
<v Speaker 3>people look at him like a god, right, like Michael

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<v Speaker 3>had that. I remember we had this told this story

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<v Speaker 3>the other day and it was some back in the

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<v Speaker 3>two thousands or something. They were the most how do

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<v Speaker 3>you call it, not the most expensive, but the most

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<v Speaker 3>popular names in the world. Right, it was Nickey Mouse

0:16:48.680 --> 0:16:52.960
<v Speaker 3>and Michael Jordan, Like those are the two biggest names

0:16:52.960 --> 0:16:55.520
<v Speaker 3>in the world like, that's hard to be. In my opinion,

0:16:56.320 --> 0:16:56.600
<v Speaker 3>it is.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean when we talk about influence over a culture,

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<v Speaker 2>because I would argue that even though if you think

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<v Speaker 2>that Lebron is the best player this generation, the most

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<v Speaker 2>influential player this generation is Steph Curry because Steph Curry

0:17:11.400 --> 0:17:15.080
<v Speaker 2>has handedly changed the way basketball has played. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people know they cannot hit the genetic

0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:20.320
<v Speaker 2>lottery and be Lebron James. But Steph Curry just speak

0:17:20.359 --> 0:17:23.000
<v Speaker 2>of the idea that they can be him, you know,

0:17:23.119 --> 0:17:24.360
<v Speaker 2>because he's you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, he's he's definitely, he's definitely athletic.

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<v Speaker 2>He's just not six a eight and two forty and

0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:33.360
<v Speaker 2>he's not some amazing leaper. He had to create such

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<v Speaker 2>a specific skill, and he created it so well that

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<v Speaker 2>now when you watch an NBA game, everybody's trying to

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<v Speaker 2>be Steph. Right, It's like everybody's shooting from you know,

0:17:42.800 --> 0:17:45.119
<v Speaker 2>all five positions. You see what the three point shot.

0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:48.240
<v Speaker 2>What that's done to the NBA. Whether it's good or

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<v Speaker 2>bad depending on what your perspective is.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's different.

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<v Speaker 2>I do wonder if this is a generational perspective, because

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<v Speaker 2>you and I are only a year apart.

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<v Speaker 1>And so like you, I am from the Midwest. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>from twenty two.

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<v Speaker 3>You're twenty two, yes.

0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:07.080
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, yes a year.

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<v Speaker 2>I love how you put yourself younger than me. But

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<v Speaker 2>that's okay, all good. But I do think probably basketball

0:18:16.040 --> 0:18:18.480
<v Speaker 2>fans of our generation, and especially in the cities that

0:18:18.520 --> 0:18:22.119
<v Speaker 2>we're from, because we had to you know, Cleveland was

0:18:22.119 --> 0:18:23.520
<v Speaker 2>more tormented by Michael Jordan.

0:18:23.560 --> 0:18:25.000
<v Speaker 1>See when I was commuted as.

0:18:24.960 --> 0:18:27.520
<v Speaker 2>A basketball fan, we were kicking his ass and then

0:18:27.600 --> 0:18:29.640
<v Speaker 2>we then we couldn't beat him anymore, right, And so

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, right, we have that we were all in

0:18:31.920 --> 0:18:34.560
<v Speaker 2>the same division, so we have that proximity. You know,

0:18:34.600 --> 0:18:38.359
<v Speaker 2>you got Cleveland, Otago and Detroit, so we have probably

0:18:38.440 --> 0:18:42.800
<v Speaker 2>a much more deeper, intimate sort of memory.

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<v Speaker 1>Of Michael Jordan.

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<v Speaker 2>And not that I didn't see Lebron's whole career, so

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<v Speaker 2>I can I can understand why you answered it that way.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's just so diabolical that you from Cleveland and

0:18:49.920 --> 0:18:51.440
<v Speaker 2>that was your sports moment.

0:18:52.760 --> 0:18:56.239
<v Speaker 3>And you want to know my favorite football team growing up,

0:18:56.440 --> 0:18:59.160
<v Speaker 3>just take a wild guy. Since I'm being from Cleland,

0:18:59.200 --> 0:18:59.840
<v Speaker 3>take a wild guy.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm guessing what it wasn't the Browns.

0:19:02.720 --> 0:19:06.720
<v Speaker 3>Then it was not the Browns. I couldn't stand the Browns.

0:19:06.840 --> 0:19:09.680
<v Speaker 1>Tell me, tell me you were not a Cowboys fan.

0:19:10.720 --> 0:19:12.040
<v Speaker 3>I was a Steelers fan.

0:19:12.280 --> 0:19:14.760
<v Speaker 2>Oh, Steelers. I was trying to think of a national team.

0:19:15.119 --> 0:19:17.919
<v Speaker 2>I was thinking of a national team. But you know, okay,

0:19:18.040 --> 0:19:19.960
<v Speaker 2>like I was, like it had to be might have

0:19:20.000 --> 0:19:20.800
<v Speaker 2>been my second.

0:19:20.560 --> 0:19:24.119
<v Speaker 3>Guess, Yeah, steelersn't Browns. That was the biggest rival. That

0:19:24.200 --> 0:19:27.720
<v Speaker 3>was the biggest. Of course they can't stand each other.

0:19:27.760 --> 0:19:30.640
<v Speaker 3>But it's funny because my whole family loved the Browns.

0:19:30.800 --> 0:19:33.960
<v Speaker 3>But looking back at it, I guess that just made

0:19:34.280 --> 0:19:36.920
<v Speaker 3>me who I am. Right, if I see everybody going left,

0:19:36.960 --> 0:19:39.240
<v Speaker 3>there's some odd reason I'm going to go right. I

0:19:39.280 --> 0:19:42.280
<v Speaker 3>don't know. It's just me. So I was a huge

0:19:42.280 --> 0:19:46.000
<v Speaker 3>Steelers fan growing up as well. Yeah, well I love

0:19:46.200 --> 0:19:46.960
<v Speaker 3>But what it.

0:19:46.960 --> 0:19:52.560
<v Speaker 2>Is we're talking about pathways. Let's let's get deeper into yours. Now.

0:19:52.640 --> 0:19:55.800
<v Speaker 2>You and I like we we met like a few

0:19:55.880 --> 0:19:58.560
<v Speaker 2>years back, because when you and t O had the podcast,

0:19:58.600 --> 0:20:00.000
<v Speaker 2>I came in and did the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>But most recently we've worked together.

0:20:04.040 --> 0:20:09.320
<v Speaker 2>You created this amazing project called shadow Ball, Rise of

0:20:09.359 --> 0:20:14.440
<v Speaker 2>the Black Athlete. It's a document series style podcast that's

0:20:14.520 --> 0:20:19.119
<v Speaker 2>on Amazon audible and for those who have not listened

0:20:19.119 --> 0:20:22.080
<v Speaker 2>to it, it's really spectacular. When you reached out and

0:20:22.240 --> 0:20:24.320
<v Speaker 2>just told me just the root of it, like what

0:20:24.400 --> 0:20:26.520
<v Speaker 2>you wanted to accomplish, the stories you wanted to tell

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<v Speaker 2>about black athletes.

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<v Speaker 7>I was.

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<v Speaker 2>I was in just off that and when the script

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<v Speaker 2>which is exceptional, you know. So it was really a

0:20:34.840 --> 0:20:40.080
<v Speaker 2>fantastic experience for me. But you made this pivot in entertainment.

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<v Speaker 2>You've been at it for a while, I mean, and

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<v Speaker 2>so I guess I wanted to start with theirs that

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<v Speaker 2>you know a lot of guys when they leave the NFL,

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<v Speaker 2>because you what year did you retire?

0:20:51.160 --> 0:20:51.560
<v Speaker 3>It was.

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<v Speaker 2>Two thousand and six, you retire, So when that moment

0:20:58.040 --> 0:21:00.440
<v Speaker 2>comes and you know football is no longer what you'll

0:21:00.480 --> 0:21:04.560
<v Speaker 2>be doing as your main career, what made you decide

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<v Speaker 2>to pivot to entertainment?

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<v Speaker 3>You know what? I didn't know at the moment that

0:21:10.560 --> 0:21:14.399
<v Speaker 3>I was pivoting. I think that's the key here. It's like,

0:21:14.520 --> 0:21:17.719
<v Speaker 3>when you get done, there's you're going to search for

0:21:18.320 --> 0:21:21.160
<v Speaker 3>something to replace it, and there's nothing that can place

0:21:21.200 --> 0:21:24.240
<v Speaker 3>that feeling right. But there is only a few times

0:21:24.320 --> 0:21:26.400
<v Speaker 3>how I don't even call it an epiphany, but there's

0:21:26.440 --> 0:21:29.640
<v Speaker 3>a few times you just have that feel of this

0:21:29.720 --> 0:21:34.080
<v Speaker 3>world is different if I choose to be different with

0:21:34.119 --> 0:21:37.080
<v Speaker 3>that right running out of the tunnel from my first

0:21:37.240 --> 0:21:41.240
<v Speaker 3>NFL game, there was something about that. It's just something

0:21:41.280 --> 0:21:43.080
<v Speaker 3>that I was like, this is the best feeling in

0:21:43.080 --> 0:21:45.240
<v Speaker 3>the world. I don't know what ever is going to

0:21:45.240 --> 0:21:47.280
<v Speaker 3>happen the rest of my life. I could die right now.

0:21:48.040 --> 0:21:50.800
<v Speaker 3>That was a moment the day I got drafted, when

0:21:50.800 --> 0:21:55.880
<v Speaker 3>Dinny Green called me at three forty eight April twenty first,

0:21:56.320 --> 0:21:59.800
<v Speaker 3>nineteen ninety seven, when I was a two hundred and

0:21:59.800 --> 0:22:02.879
<v Speaker 3>thirty fifth picking an NFL draft not hatchet when it

0:22:02.920 --> 0:22:05.800
<v Speaker 3>be a Minnesota biking, I said, yep, and you know,

0:22:05.920 --> 0:22:08.639
<v Speaker 3>I went outside from my hands. That was a moment.

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<v Speaker 3>The only other time I really felt that is when

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<v Speaker 3>I went to A Bad Boy Too Bad Boy's Too

0:22:14.320 --> 0:22:17.840
<v Speaker 3>premiere and we're sitting down for the you know, for

0:22:17.880 --> 0:22:20.399
<v Speaker 3>the movie to start. This the whole theater goes black,

0:22:21.000 --> 0:22:23.719
<v Speaker 3>and then of course the curtains open up and the

0:22:23.800 --> 0:22:26.840
<v Speaker 3>first scene is well doing something. I probably something with

0:22:26.840 --> 0:22:29.000
<v Speaker 3>this shirt off, shirt off or something, I don't remember,

0:22:29.000 --> 0:22:32.080
<v Speaker 3>but the crowd's going crazy and I just remember getting

0:22:32.080 --> 0:22:35.840
<v Speaker 3>those same goosebumps of the moment. This is like, the

0:22:35.920 --> 0:22:40.159
<v Speaker 3>moment was just energetic, and how can I have this moment?

0:22:40.600 --> 0:22:42.439
<v Speaker 3>Because at this point, I'm like, I can have this

0:22:42.480 --> 0:22:44.560
<v Speaker 3>moment because it has nothing to do with sports, right,

0:22:46.160 --> 0:22:47.760
<v Speaker 3>And I was like, I'm going to go into entertainment.

0:22:48.280 --> 0:22:50.639
<v Speaker 3>Had no idea what I was going to do, but

0:22:50.800 --> 0:22:52.919
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, I'm gonna go down that path because there

0:22:53.000 --> 0:22:55.720
<v Speaker 3>was something, you know, that that had had a fire

0:22:55.760 --> 0:22:57.840
<v Speaker 3>in my belly to say, I don't know what this is,

0:22:57.920 --> 0:23:00.359
<v Speaker 3>but I love everything about it. And from there I

0:23:00.440 --> 0:23:02.800
<v Speaker 3>just started reaching out and trying to figure out what

0:23:02.880 --> 0:23:05.679
<v Speaker 3>to do, what the entertainment business was right, what a

0:23:05.720 --> 0:23:09.800
<v Speaker 3>writer was, director, producer, agent, all of those things I

0:23:09.800 --> 0:23:12.480
<v Speaker 3>had to figure out because I'm not from this world

0:23:12.480 --> 0:23:14.920
<v Speaker 3>at all, right, live in California, but this whole thing

0:23:15.000 --> 0:23:17.240
<v Speaker 3>of growing up in the Midwest, I had never even

0:23:17.240 --> 0:23:20.040
<v Speaker 3>been to California growing up, never been to New York

0:23:20.080 --> 0:23:22.399
<v Speaker 3>growing up, So, you know, planning the league got me

0:23:22.600 --> 0:23:25.280
<v Speaker 3>able to see a bunch of different things in my life.

0:23:25.320 --> 0:23:27.920
<v Speaker 3>But when I was living in Cali and I had

0:23:27.960 --> 0:23:30.280
<v Speaker 3>that moment, I'm like, I can do this. But that

0:23:30.520 --> 0:23:32.240
<v Speaker 3>was the moment I just knew I had to do

0:23:32.320 --> 0:23:34.359
<v Speaker 3>something entertainment. That's kind of what started it.

0:23:34.960 --> 0:23:38.520
<v Speaker 2>Speaking of Will Smith, I saw that you used to

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<v Speaker 2>get confused quite a bit for Will Smith.

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<v Speaker 1>Or was it that you used to say you were.

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<v Speaker 3>It depends on the ass, you know what. So because

0:23:52.760 --> 0:23:55.200
<v Speaker 3>I started coming out to California because my agent was

0:23:55.280 --> 0:23:58.520
<v Speaker 3>Dwayne Martin and him and Tisa Campbell married at the

0:23:58.520 --> 0:24:01.080
<v Speaker 3>same time or married at that time, should I say.

0:24:01.680 --> 0:24:04.479
<v Speaker 3>And he was partners with Will, you know, with a

0:24:04.520 --> 0:24:06.560
<v Speaker 3>bunch of business ventures and movies and stuff like that.

0:24:06.560 --> 0:24:08.720
<v Speaker 3>So I got to hang up with a lot. But

0:24:08.840 --> 0:24:12.320
<v Speaker 3>I knew that we kind of looked alike from the

0:24:12.480 --> 0:24:16.760
<v Speaker 3>audience perspective of just walking around maybe hat on or whatever.

0:24:16.800 --> 0:24:18.639
<v Speaker 3>The demeanor we had it, you know, I think that

0:24:18.800 --> 0:24:21.320
<v Speaker 3>was it. But then I started when I'm moving to

0:24:21.440 --> 0:24:23.800
<v Speaker 3>LA When I was out there a lot, I'd go

0:24:23.840 --> 0:24:25.760
<v Speaker 3>to Vallet and I'd have people come up to me.

0:24:26.040 --> 0:24:28.520
<v Speaker 3>But this is just when I'm getting done playing. I'm like, oh,

0:24:28.560 --> 0:24:30.880
<v Speaker 3>they still think I'm Hatch, you know. I'm like, yeah,

0:24:30.960 --> 0:24:33.120
<v Speaker 3>let me and they're looking at me like you got

0:24:33.160 --> 0:24:36.200
<v Speaker 3>Will Smith. I'm like, oh you thought I would Nah, No, No,

0:24:36.560 --> 0:24:39.119
<v Speaker 3>So I got confused here and there, but I just

0:24:39.119 --> 0:24:43.240
<v Speaker 3>thought it was me being half a celebrity, if you will,

0:24:43.280 --> 0:24:45.040
<v Speaker 3>Like maybe he saw my one touchdown I had in

0:24:45.040 --> 0:24:47.000
<v Speaker 3>the league. I don't know. You know, I'm trying to

0:24:47.080 --> 0:24:48.720
<v Speaker 3>I'm trying to live it all a little bit longer.

0:24:48.760 --> 0:24:51.200
<v Speaker 3>But I used to get confusing him quite a lot.

0:24:51.600 --> 0:24:54.919
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, did you ever take advantage of the confusion?

0:24:55.920 --> 0:24:58.879
<v Speaker 3>You know what? I have? Not? I should have. I

0:24:58.920 --> 0:24:59.320
<v Speaker 3>should have.

0:25:02.160 --> 0:25:05.560
<v Speaker 2>There's some good tables at some LA restaurants or you know,

0:25:05.880 --> 0:25:09.239
<v Speaker 2>like you got up into the vip vip because they

0:25:09.280 --> 0:25:10.240
<v Speaker 2>thought you was Will Smith.

0:25:10.240 --> 0:25:13.399
<v Speaker 3>I'm not mad, you know, well, you know what's funny.

0:25:13.680 --> 0:25:17.360
<v Speaker 3>Maybe I have, but maybe it was the ego at

0:25:17.359 --> 0:25:19.240
<v Speaker 3>the time. I got up in there because I'm Hatch,

0:25:19.880 --> 0:25:21.800
<v Speaker 3>you know, because LA is funny like that. You can

0:25:21.840 --> 0:25:25.800
<v Speaker 3>go to one thing, like one event during sb's or oscars,

0:25:25.840 --> 0:25:28.120
<v Speaker 3>and they were like, you know, hey, come on, yep,

0:25:28.240 --> 0:25:30.560
<v Speaker 3>you go home, gone in, and then you go somewhere

0:25:30.600 --> 0:25:32.360
<v Speaker 3>else and you can stand in line for an hour. Yeah,

0:25:32.400 --> 0:25:34.040
<v Speaker 3>oh you ain't big enough to get it here, you know.

0:25:34.200 --> 0:25:36.320
<v Speaker 3>So I was kind of that struggle of the in

0:25:36.359 --> 0:25:39.400
<v Speaker 3>between times. I don't know if I'm me or him, right,

0:25:39.800 --> 0:25:43.040
<v Speaker 3>I don't have a clue, but yeah, it all worked.

0:25:43.400 --> 0:25:45.840
<v Speaker 2>So when did you know when it came to your

0:25:46.359 --> 0:25:49.120
<v Speaker 2>NFL career? When did you know that you were done,

0:25:49.160 --> 0:25:50.680
<v Speaker 2>that this it was over?

0:25:51.160 --> 0:25:55.040
<v Speaker 3>It was it. That was. I was playing with Jacksonville

0:25:55.680 --> 0:25:58.919
<v Speaker 3>and I think I've ever told the story. Actually, So

0:25:58.920 --> 0:26:03.359
<v Speaker 3>I'm playing with jackson Bill and I had started the

0:26:03.359 --> 0:26:04.800
<v Speaker 3>first four games, and.

0:26:04.760 --> 0:26:08.960
<v Speaker 2>This was like two thousand and three, I think, right,

0:26:08.480 --> 0:26:08.879
<v Speaker 2>I think.

0:26:10.720 --> 0:26:13.760
<v Speaker 3>Three or four. So I'm like, okay, yeah, And so

0:26:14.280 --> 0:26:18.320
<v Speaker 3>I remember JJ Stokes was a big free agent signing.

0:26:18.640 --> 0:26:21.919
<v Speaker 3>I had went over to Amsterdam and then I played

0:26:21.960 --> 0:26:26.320
<v Speaker 3>over there. It's coming off an injured shoulder, and they're like,

0:26:26.359 --> 0:26:28.840
<v Speaker 3>you know, well Hatch can't run anymore. Like, well thanks,

0:26:28.840 --> 0:26:30.959
<v Speaker 3>So I go to over to Amsterdam plays show them

0:26:30.960 --> 0:26:33.119
<v Speaker 3>that I can still run, still play whatever that is.

0:26:33.920 --> 0:26:35.879
<v Speaker 3>And I was mad that I was over there. I'm like,

0:26:35.920 --> 0:26:38.359
<v Speaker 3>I should not have to be over right, So I

0:26:38.400 --> 0:26:40.560
<v Speaker 3>thought I was in a no win situation. If you

0:26:40.600 --> 0:26:42.280
<v Speaker 3>go over there and play well, they're gonna say, well,

0:26:42.320 --> 0:26:43.800
<v Speaker 3>it's both to do that. I go over there and

0:26:43.880 --> 0:26:45.720
<v Speaker 3>play bad. Let's see. I told you he was done.

0:26:45.760 --> 0:26:48.120
<v Speaker 3>So I was like, whenever went over there, played well,

0:26:48.280 --> 0:26:50.320
<v Speaker 3>you know, got like the MVP and Ring of van

0:26:50.440 --> 0:26:52.119
<v Speaker 3>Or did all that stuff like I was supposed to

0:26:52.200 --> 0:26:54.520
<v Speaker 3>in my opinion, So I come back. I'm not the

0:26:54.640 --> 0:26:57.240
<v Speaker 3>highest gun the total poll at the Jacksonville Jaguars at

0:26:57.280 --> 0:26:59.360
<v Speaker 3>the time, I'm probably, you know, the probably twelfth guy.

0:26:59.440 --> 0:27:02.000
<v Speaker 3>I'm the young on the rock on the receiver depth

0:27:02.080 --> 0:27:05.000
<v Speaker 3>chart in June when I get there, but I end

0:27:05.080 --> 0:27:07.760
<v Speaker 3>up bawling out. In preseason started the first four games,

0:27:08.160 --> 0:27:12.119
<v Speaker 3>we're owing four Byron Leffritz is a rookie. Mark Burnell

0:27:12.280 --> 0:27:15.880
<v Speaker 3>was the starter, and we're struggling. But to me, I'm

0:27:15.880 --> 0:27:20.520
<v Speaker 3>playing good right, I'm doing my job right. Our bye

0:27:20.520 --> 0:27:24.040
<v Speaker 3>week was week's fixed, but Jimmy Smith was suspended, so

0:27:24.119 --> 0:27:26.280
<v Speaker 3>me and JJ were both the starter for the first

0:27:26.320 --> 0:27:29.280
<v Speaker 3>four weeks. So Jimmy comes back weeks five and six.

0:27:29.400 --> 0:27:32.000
<v Speaker 3>They feed Jimmy the ball like he's getting like ten

0:27:32.080 --> 0:27:34.159
<v Speaker 3>targets a game, you know, like six catches like at

0:27:34.280 --> 0:27:36.920
<v Speaker 3>both games or something like that. So then our bye

0:27:36.920 --> 0:27:39.080
<v Speaker 3>week is the seventh week. So we're sitting at one

0:27:39.119 --> 0:27:41.320
<v Speaker 3>in five and I think Jack del Reel is like,

0:27:41.320 --> 0:27:45.480
<v Speaker 3>we're gonna make some changes blah blah blah, and so receivers,

0:27:45.520 --> 0:27:47.280
<v Speaker 3>you know, we're starting to go over the our stuff

0:27:47.280 --> 0:27:49.240
<v Speaker 3>we did for the first six weeks in order to

0:27:49.320 --> 0:27:50.879
<v Speaker 3>kind of get ready for the rest of the season.

0:27:51.440 --> 0:27:53.760
<v Speaker 3>So we come in have a breakdown. He's like, this

0:27:53.800 --> 0:27:55.280
<v Speaker 3>is Jimmy Smith. This is how you do it.

0:27:55.359 --> 0:27:55.439
<v Speaker 4>Right.

0:27:55.520 --> 0:27:58.520
<v Speaker 3>We're throwing the ball, you know, twenty I think like

0:27:58.600 --> 0:28:01.520
<v Speaker 3>eighteen times, and he's got like twelve catches in two games.

0:28:01.560 --> 0:28:04.080
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, that's pretty cool, right, good, But he's getting

0:28:04.240 --> 0:28:07.359
<v Speaker 3>the ball more thrown too. And then so I was like,

0:28:07.359 --> 0:28:08.960
<v Speaker 3>they didn't say nothing about me. Of course, I'm just

0:28:09.080 --> 0:28:13.080
<v Speaker 3>going to watch it. So after everybody leaves, I come in.

0:28:13.440 --> 0:28:15.320
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna look at my own stats. I never just

0:28:15.359 --> 0:28:17.320
<v Speaker 3>did that. I never looked at myself like that. It

0:28:17.400 --> 0:28:21.000
<v Speaker 3>was always, you know, team first, and I was looking

0:28:21.000 --> 0:28:23.480
<v Speaker 3>at the stats. I'm like, after six weeks, I'm leading

0:28:23.520 --> 0:28:27.800
<v Speaker 3>this team in every receiving category, right, receive receptions, yards,

0:28:27.800 --> 0:28:30.640
<v Speaker 3>and touchdowns, and so like, well, that's not good enough.

0:28:30.680 --> 0:28:33.120
<v Speaker 3>Maybe it's about percentage of wins. So I go look

0:28:33.200 --> 0:28:35.960
<v Speaker 3>at how many times I've been targeted and I have catches.

0:28:36.040 --> 0:28:38.280
<v Speaker 3>So I think I've been targeted like twenty eight times

0:28:38.280 --> 0:28:41.000
<v Speaker 3>but had like twenty two catches, which would also be

0:28:41.080 --> 0:28:45.640
<v Speaker 3>the number one percentage on the team, and after that,

0:28:46.240 --> 0:28:50.760
<v Speaker 3>I didn't dress another game that season. So at that point,

0:28:50.880 --> 0:28:54.360
<v Speaker 3>I was kind of like I'd done all I could do.

0:28:55.280 --> 0:28:57.920
<v Speaker 3>I think I've just it's not working out for me.

0:28:58.120 --> 0:29:01.959
<v Speaker 3>This is not what I imagine of a starting receiver

0:29:02.440 --> 0:29:04.120
<v Speaker 3>to be in the NFL, Like I thought you were

0:29:04.160 --> 0:29:06.920
<v Speaker 3>just once you play well, you start for the rest

0:29:06.920 --> 0:29:09.280
<v Speaker 3>of you know whatever. But it wasn't like, oh, I'm

0:29:09.280 --> 0:29:13.120
<v Speaker 3>met at the politics. I've just thought that inside. I

0:29:13.200 --> 0:29:16.640
<v Speaker 3>started four games, that was the best I could do.

0:29:17.000 --> 0:29:20.000
<v Speaker 3>I think this is it. I thought that was my ceiling. Unfortunately,

0:29:20.160 --> 0:29:22.000
<v Speaker 3>I thought that was my ceiling. Yes, I wanted Pro

0:29:22.080 --> 0:29:24.960
<v Speaker 3>Bowls and Super Bowls and one hundred million dollar contracts,

0:29:25.040 --> 0:29:26.640
<v Speaker 3>but I was like, maybe that's just not for me,

0:29:26.920 --> 0:29:29.400
<v Speaker 3>and maybe there's something else out there for me. And

0:29:29.440 --> 0:29:32.920
<v Speaker 3>at that moment, I will start to trending say I

0:29:32.960 --> 0:29:35.040
<v Speaker 3>think I've done all I could do in the NFL.

0:29:35.200 --> 0:29:38.200
<v Speaker 3>It was great, but I'm not going to ever have

0:29:38.360 --> 0:29:41.800
<v Speaker 3>those opportunities to really be at number one in this league,

0:29:41.880 --> 0:29:44.320
<v Speaker 3>and therefore I'm probably just going to start changing my

0:29:44.480 --> 0:29:47.360
<v Speaker 3>direction in life. And that's when I retired the following.

0:29:48.160 --> 0:29:51.040
<v Speaker 2>Now I have to say, I've been covering sports now

0:29:51.200 --> 0:29:56.480
<v Speaker 2>for you know, almost thirty years. Honestly, I've never heard

0:29:56.760 --> 0:30:00.720
<v Speaker 2>I've never heard a retirement story that way. Usually I've

0:30:00.760 --> 0:30:03.280
<v Speaker 2>never heard that type of retirement store typically is injury,

0:30:03.360 --> 0:30:06.160
<v Speaker 2>especially in the NFL, as you know, body gets bet up.

0:30:06.480 --> 0:30:10.040
<v Speaker 2>But it sounds like you had the self awareness to

0:30:10.160 --> 0:30:16.160
<v Speaker 2>realize that I have reached my ceiling. Since this is

0:30:16.240 --> 0:30:19.240
<v Speaker 2>my ceiling, what am I still doing this for?

0:30:20.480 --> 0:30:20.760
<v Speaker 3>Right?

0:30:21.160 --> 0:30:21.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

0:30:21.480 --> 0:30:24.920
<v Speaker 2>So how you know, as you come to terms with that,

0:30:25.600 --> 0:30:28.040
<v Speaker 2>what did you imagine or think about what your life

0:30:28.040 --> 0:30:29.480
<v Speaker 2>outside of the NFL would look.

0:30:29.440 --> 0:30:33.160
<v Speaker 3>Like at the time? What did I imagine it? Like?

0:30:33.600 --> 0:30:36.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh, because you're I mean, at least by the way,

0:30:36.680 --> 0:30:39.080
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I just granted I have your bio and

0:30:39.120 --> 0:30:41.400
<v Speaker 2>all that, and it's you know, your last year on

0:30:41.600 --> 0:30:43.840
<v Speaker 2>year in Jacksonville, you were twenty nine, So like you're

0:30:44.120 --> 0:30:46.840
<v Speaker 2>twenty nine, thirty years old. Most people don't think about

0:30:46.960 --> 0:30:49.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm retired at thirty, you know what I'm saying. So

0:30:49.600 --> 0:30:52.600
<v Speaker 2>it's like you're retired at thirty, So like, what are

0:30:52.600 --> 0:30:54.440
<v Speaker 2>you thinking your life is supposed to look like?

0:30:54.520 --> 0:30:59.680
<v Speaker 3>Now? In a bad way, I thought it would be

0:31:00.080 --> 0:31:06.640
<v Speaker 3>vacation golf, hanging out, partying when I want to. That's

0:31:06.680 --> 0:31:11.440
<v Speaker 3>what I thought NFL retirement was in my eyes. I

0:31:11.640 --> 0:31:15.280
<v Speaker 3>learned that that's not who I am, it's not what

0:31:15.440 --> 0:31:21.080
<v Speaker 3>I want, it's not what successful people do. So I'm

0:31:21.120 --> 0:31:23.520
<v Speaker 3>mad that I imagine it that way. But that was

0:31:23.640 --> 0:31:26.320
<v Speaker 3>only probably because the perception I had of all the

0:31:26.320 --> 0:31:28.640
<v Speaker 3>things I've seen on media and what I've heard from

0:31:28.680 --> 0:31:31.240
<v Speaker 3>other teammate, whatever that stuff was, that was my picture.

0:31:32.000 --> 0:31:36.800
<v Speaker 3>But I'm that would have made me absolutely miserable. There's

0:31:36.840 --> 0:31:39.120
<v Speaker 3>no sitting around because I remember my agent said, why

0:31:39.120 --> 0:31:40.680
<v Speaker 3>don't you go to Hawaiian and figure out your life?

0:31:40.680 --> 0:31:43.880
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, no, not an option, like just stay in

0:31:43.920 --> 0:31:45.960
<v Speaker 3>Hawaii for a month and a half and do nothing

0:31:46.040 --> 0:31:49.160
<v Speaker 3>Like that's just a miserable time to me. So that's

0:31:49.240 --> 0:31:53.400
<v Speaker 3>when I like said going into the entertainment industry, it

0:31:53.720 --> 0:31:56.360
<v Speaker 3>took my focus because I didn't know nothing. So I

0:31:56.400 --> 0:32:00.880
<v Speaker 3>had to lose myself for eighteen hour days of reading

0:32:01.000 --> 0:32:03.920
<v Speaker 3>scripts and figuring out, you know, how to shoot a

0:32:04.000 --> 0:32:06.440
<v Speaker 3>doc or how to shoot this movie, and going to

0:32:06.520 --> 0:32:09.360
<v Speaker 3>acting class and going to directing class. All of those

0:32:09.360 --> 0:32:13.000
<v Speaker 3>things I got. I had to forget about ball and

0:32:13.000 --> 0:32:15.560
<v Speaker 3>that's why it helped me and golf myself into the

0:32:15.840 --> 0:32:20.120
<v Speaker 3>transitioning because I didn't want to be the guy on vacation.

0:32:20.240 --> 0:32:22.400
<v Speaker 3>I didn't want to be the guy golfing every day. Now,

0:32:22.400 --> 0:32:24.479
<v Speaker 3>people love golfing and people love that I get it,

0:32:24.760 --> 0:32:27.600
<v Speaker 3>But to me, that's just not what if I'm looking

0:32:27.640 --> 0:32:30.920
<v Speaker 3>at now, being older and knowing what this life is about.

0:32:31.520 --> 0:32:34.400
<v Speaker 3>If I'm looking at the top hundred billionaires in the world,

0:32:34.960 --> 0:32:38.360
<v Speaker 3>they can make one hundred million, five hundred, they still

0:32:38.400 --> 0:32:40.040
<v Speaker 3>wake up the next day and they go get it.

0:32:40.440 --> 0:32:40.640
<v Speaker 4>Right.

0:32:41.520 --> 0:32:45.120
<v Speaker 3>When Kobe got done winning a championship, Let's go get

0:32:45.160 --> 0:32:48.920
<v Speaker 3>another championship. When Jordan got done, you know, winning a

0:32:49.000 --> 0:32:51.920
<v Speaker 3>champ Let's go get another championship. So I didn't think

0:32:51.960 --> 0:32:54.360
<v Speaker 3>about it like I've made it, Like, no, this is

0:32:54.440 --> 0:32:57.560
<v Speaker 3>letting me go get another the ring I never had, Right,

0:32:57.600 --> 0:33:01.440
<v Speaker 3>let me go get another ring, but in a different genre,

0:33:01.600 --> 0:33:03.680
<v Speaker 3>right in a different lane. That's why I looked at it.

0:33:03.720 --> 0:33:06.520
<v Speaker 3>But I definitely my perception of what it would look

0:33:06.560 --> 0:33:09.440
<v Speaker 3>like did not match who I was as a person.

0:33:09.480 --> 0:33:11.160
<v Speaker 3>So I'm kind of glad that I figured that out

0:33:11.240 --> 0:33:14.680
<v Speaker 3>really quickly and I got to englf myself into something else.

0:33:15.920 --> 0:33:18.920
<v Speaker 2>So were you are you the type of person and

0:33:19.960 --> 0:33:22.400
<v Speaker 2>was this part of your DNA As a competitor, will

0:33:22.480 --> 0:33:24.240
<v Speaker 2>you think more about the losses than the winds?

0:33:24.560 --> 0:33:27.920
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely? Don't even think about the winds. It's funny now,

0:33:27.920 --> 0:33:31.280
<v Speaker 3>it's like, you know, coaching and mentoring kids, just like

0:33:31.560 --> 0:33:35.680
<v Speaker 3>failure is part of success, you know, it's not the

0:33:35.720 --> 0:33:39.640
<v Speaker 3>opposite of it. People want to always, well, I don't fail,

0:33:39.720 --> 0:33:43.280
<v Speaker 3>I don't lose. Well don't you don't learn neither. And

0:33:43.480 --> 0:33:47.280
<v Speaker 3>I just remember Warren Buffett made a statement, you know,

0:33:47.280 --> 0:33:50.240
<v Speaker 3>they were talking to him about what projects do you

0:33:50.280 --> 0:33:52.320
<v Speaker 3>invest in when they're your friends you get you know,

0:33:52.360 --> 0:33:54.120
<v Speaker 3>you got hundreds of friends and they are coming to

0:33:54.120 --> 0:33:57.520
<v Speaker 3>you with thousands of ideas. Who do you invest in?

0:33:57.920 --> 0:34:00.920
<v Speaker 3>And Warren Buffett said, I've only invested in my friends

0:34:00.920 --> 0:34:04.600
<v Speaker 3>who have failed at their business three times. And that

0:34:04.840 --> 0:34:07.240
<v Speaker 3>was amazing to me because you know, get you've got,

0:34:07.280 --> 0:34:09.640
<v Speaker 3>you got money, You've been pitched all this stuff and

0:34:09.920 --> 0:34:13.239
<v Speaker 3>the first thing they say this is guaranteed. That's the

0:34:13.360 --> 0:34:15.480
<v Speaker 3>last thing I want to hear about an investment, right

0:34:15.600 --> 0:34:18.439
<v Speaker 3>or you know, because you don't know everything, so you're

0:34:18.440 --> 0:34:22.080
<v Speaker 3>gonna fail. But the worst part about somebody being non

0:34:22.160 --> 0:34:25.279
<v Speaker 3>self aware is it's okay to fail. It's okay to

0:34:25.360 --> 0:34:28.239
<v Speaker 3>tell people, YEF, I messed this up, and shoot, I

0:34:28.280 --> 0:34:30.399
<v Speaker 3>thought it was this and I did this, but it

0:34:30.440 --> 0:34:32.160
<v Speaker 3>wasn't it. But I'm going to get back up on

0:34:32.400 --> 0:34:34.920
<v Speaker 3>my horse and go for another ride. That's where the

0:34:35.000 --> 0:34:37.960
<v Speaker 3>character comes in. That's where the determination comes in. And

0:34:38.040 --> 0:34:41.400
<v Speaker 3>I think that's what molds the person to become successful,

0:34:41.800 --> 0:34:44.400
<v Speaker 3>not the person saying I never lose and I always

0:34:44.480 --> 0:34:46.880
<v Speaker 3>win like that's this of it, because it's not reality

0:34:46.920 --> 0:34:47.760
<v Speaker 3>and it's not happening.

0:34:49.200 --> 0:34:52.600
<v Speaker 2>So with that being said, you were part of that

0:34:52.640 --> 0:34:55.120
<v Speaker 2>fifteen to one Minnesota team that lost of the Falcons

0:34:55.160 --> 0:34:59.680
<v Speaker 2>and the NFC Championship. Yeah in overtime, Yes, you forget

0:34:59.680 --> 0:35:02.840
<v Speaker 2>that g went to overtime. Yeah, you play with Randy Moss,

0:35:02.880 --> 0:35:05.160
<v Speaker 2>with Chris Carter, Randall Cunningham.

0:35:05.719 --> 0:35:09.520
<v Speaker 1>How long or how much did that last stay with you?

0:35:11.120 --> 0:35:14.360
<v Speaker 3>Still to this day? I always think would it be

0:35:14.480 --> 0:35:18.279
<v Speaker 3>different if we personally think that team we would have ran.

0:35:18.360 --> 0:35:20.520
<v Speaker 3>We would have definitely ran it back one the following

0:35:20.600 --> 0:35:25.080
<v Speaker 3>year and we were on our way to a dynasty, right.

0:35:25.200 --> 0:35:30.120
<v Speaker 3>But I think the locker room part of our team

0:35:30.239 --> 0:35:32.319
<v Speaker 3>was the reason we did not win that game. I

0:35:32.320 --> 0:35:36.360
<v Speaker 3>think we fell apart as a team as a group watching,

0:35:36.400 --> 0:35:38.480
<v Speaker 3>of course, what the Patriots have done in this last

0:35:38.520 --> 0:35:41.160
<v Speaker 3>you know, twenty years. It's more about the team concept

0:35:41.239 --> 0:35:43.600
<v Speaker 3>and the Wii and not k me concept. And I

0:35:43.680 --> 0:35:45.320
<v Speaker 3>just think some of those things that were happening in

0:35:45.360 --> 0:35:47.839
<v Speaker 3>our locker room, not to the media, but I think

0:35:47.840 --> 0:35:50.680
<v Speaker 3>that hurt us in the long run of trying to

0:35:50.800 --> 0:35:55.080
<v Speaker 3>win that game even and again, it just it. I

0:35:55.080 --> 0:35:57.520
<v Speaker 3>think we still win that game nine out of ten times,

0:35:57.520 --> 0:36:00.359
<v Speaker 3>but it's hard to get to the Super Bowl, hard

0:36:00.360 --> 0:36:03.240
<v Speaker 3>to win the Super Bowl, it's hard to have a championship.

0:36:03.880 --> 0:36:06.400
<v Speaker 3>So like that part of it doesn't bother me, But

0:36:06.440 --> 0:36:09.799
<v Speaker 3>it's just being there and being so close. And don't

0:36:09.840 --> 0:36:13.080
<v Speaker 3>forget in that fourth quarter, with like six minutes left,

0:36:13.120 --> 0:36:15.920
<v Speaker 3>I got a touchdown that put us up by ten points.

0:36:16.280 --> 0:36:17.960
<v Speaker 3>So it's not like we were just losing the game

0:36:18.000 --> 0:36:20.600
<v Speaker 3>all game, like we were up winning And I remember

0:36:20.680 --> 0:36:23.440
<v Speaker 3>after catching that touchdown, we're on the sideline, were talking

0:36:23.440 --> 0:36:26.680
<v Speaker 3>about our plans to Miami like it's over, like we're

0:36:26.760 --> 0:36:30.200
<v Speaker 3>up by ten and it's hey, y'all, you know we're

0:36:30.239 --> 0:36:32.120
<v Speaker 3>doing that whole thing and get ready to go to

0:36:32.160 --> 0:36:34.680
<v Speaker 3>Miami for the Bowl. Because it's over, we're up by

0:36:34.719 --> 0:36:36.600
<v Speaker 3>ten and we're going to get the ball back. But again,

0:36:36.680 --> 0:36:40.760
<v Speaker 3>it just did not work out like that unfortunately. Again

0:36:41.280 --> 0:36:45.719
<v Speaker 3>talking about curses for franchises and people's bad luck, all

0:36:45.760 --> 0:36:49.480
<v Speaker 3>of those things, it's irrelevant of the conversation. But you know,

0:36:49.560 --> 0:36:53.200
<v Speaker 3>you just don't know until you really have a win tol,

0:36:53.200 --> 0:36:55.560
<v Speaker 3>you really have the money in the bank, because I

0:36:55.640 --> 0:36:58.040
<v Speaker 3>like to say so, it's like you have to really

0:36:58.080 --> 0:37:00.920
<v Speaker 3>just be in that moment every single time when you're

0:37:00.960 --> 0:37:04.279
<v Speaker 3>in that moment, and take advantage of the opportunity. And

0:37:04.360 --> 0:37:05.920
<v Speaker 3>I try to tell a lot of these kids now

0:37:05.920 --> 0:37:09.760
<v Speaker 3>are younger players playing in the league, You're only great

0:37:09.880 --> 0:37:13.200
<v Speaker 3>if you can be great when the time comes up

0:37:13.840 --> 0:37:17.040
<v Speaker 3>and you're great, right the game winning shot. You got

0:37:17.080 --> 0:37:19.759
<v Speaker 3>to make it, you know, a couple of times, but

0:37:19.840 --> 0:37:22.080
<v Speaker 3>you got to make it. You can't, well, I'm great,

0:37:22.080 --> 0:37:24.040
<v Speaker 3>I'm great, and then you shrink in big games or

0:37:24.080 --> 0:37:26.040
<v Speaker 3>you know, you shrinking. So I've always played my best

0:37:26.080 --> 0:37:29.719
<v Speaker 3>in playoff games throughout my career. So I was just like,

0:37:29.840 --> 0:37:33.919
<v Speaker 3>you know what, this game, we were supposed to be there.

0:37:34.200 --> 0:37:35.600
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if it would change my life, but

0:37:35.640 --> 0:37:37.239
<v Speaker 3>we were definitely supposed to be in the Super Bowl.

0:37:37.280 --> 0:37:40.239
<v Speaker 2>That year, Atlanta went on, they played the Broncos, they

0:37:40.239 --> 0:37:41.320
<v Speaker 2>got smoked by the Broncos.

0:37:41.320 --> 0:37:42.919
<v Speaker 1>And the Super Bowl. Do you think you all would

0:37:42.920 --> 0:37:43.680
<v Speaker 1>have beat the Broncos?

0:37:43.800 --> 0:37:46.200
<v Speaker 3>Not even close. We would have beaten them by thirty,

0:37:46.840 --> 0:37:50.360
<v Speaker 3>not even close, because again we were we would we

0:37:50.400 --> 0:37:52.279
<v Speaker 3>would have put eight in the box, right, we would

0:37:52.280 --> 0:37:53.880
<v Speaker 3>have put eight in the box. But we were we

0:37:53.880 --> 0:37:57.400
<v Speaker 3>were just so explosive. And again, people see no huddle

0:37:57.480 --> 0:38:01.320
<v Speaker 3>nowadays and they see, you know, a team that scored

0:38:01.360 --> 0:38:04.919
<v Speaker 3>thirty and we were doing this with like chunks down

0:38:05.000 --> 0:38:07.640
<v Speaker 3>the field. We would do it forty yard you know

0:38:07.800 --> 0:38:11.040
<v Speaker 3>plays and spend thirty yard plays and twenty yard players

0:38:11.080 --> 0:38:15.160
<v Speaker 3>we're doing We're so explosive from every position on the field.

0:38:15.280 --> 0:38:18.480
<v Speaker 3>Tight end Andrew Glover, running back Robert Smith, we have

0:38:18.640 --> 0:38:21.439
<v Speaker 3>Moss Carter, me Jake Reid was you know, we had

0:38:21.520 --> 0:38:24.120
<v Speaker 3>players that were going to make plays. Our defense was

0:38:24.120 --> 0:38:27.080
<v Speaker 3>making big plays, pick sixes and stuff like that. So

0:38:27.120 --> 0:38:29.440
<v Speaker 3>it's not like when we were going to score and

0:38:29.480 --> 0:38:30.880
<v Speaker 3>it was going to kind of like kind of figure

0:38:30.880 --> 0:38:33.160
<v Speaker 3>our way out through the first quarter that against Denver,

0:38:33.200 --> 0:38:34.960
<v Speaker 3>we would have probably went up and went twenty one,

0:38:35.040 --> 0:38:37.680
<v Speaker 3>twenty eight in the first half for sure, and they

0:38:37.680 --> 0:38:39.200
<v Speaker 3>didn't have the deep, they didn't have the horses to

0:38:39.239 --> 0:38:43.359
<v Speaker 3>mess with us on the offensive side. They just didn't Yeah, sorry, sorry, yeah,

0:38:43.400 --> 0:38:43.840
<v Speaker 3>I mean.

0:38:46.080 --> 0:38:47.000
<v Speaker 1>To refresh people.

0:38:47.080 --> 0:38:49.479
<v Speaker 2>So that Denver team, you know, as obviously as lway

0:38:49.480 --> 0:38:54.520
<v Speaker 2>Asterreal Davis, Shannon Shark, McCaffrey, Yeah, mccaffree senior.

0:38:54.360 --> 0:38:56.239
<v Speaker 3>Year, Yeah, senior right right, And.

0:38:56.840 --> 0:39:00.279
<v Speaker 2>Yes, mccaffree senior is on that team. And they were

0:39:00.280 --> 0:39:02.799
<v Speaker 2>considered explosive in their own right. But I know these

0:39:02.880 --> 0:39:05.360
<v Speaker 2>days people are used to like aerial attack just being

0:39:05.440 --> 0:39:07.760
<v Speaker 2>a regular part of the game, people throwing all the time.

0:39:07.960 --> 0:39:10.880
<v Speaker 2>But that Minnesota team was just deadly, like it was

0:39:10.880 --> 0:39:12.720
<v Speaker 2>one of my favorite teams to play with in Madden.

0:39:14.680 --> 0:39:15.800
<v Speaker 1>I was like, Hatch, I used.

0:39:15.640 --> 0:39:20.280
<v Speaker 3>TOPSe Yeah already you know they have me in the slot,

0:39:20.400 --> 0:39:22.680
<v Speaker 3>they have me in mad remember the outside guys with

0:39:22.840 --> 0:39:26.120
<v Speaker 3>just yes, correct you.

0:39:26.960 --> 0:39:31.640
<v Speaker 2>That's why you were made a weapon because everybody so

0:39:31.760 --> 0:39:32.600
<v Speaker 2>like but I.

0:39:32.520 --> 0:39:33.440
<v Speaker 1>Would be abusive.

0:39:35.040 --> 0:39:36.960
<v Speaker 3>So you use me better than any of my offensive

0:39:36.960 --> 0:39:42.040
<v Speaker 3>coordinators at the time, So you know, thank you.

0:39:40.680 --> 0:39:41.680
<v Speaker 1>Yes, of course.

0:39:42.960 --> 0:39:44.800
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, it's a lot more I definitely want to

0:39:44.840 --> 0:39:48.200
<v Speaker 2>ask you about as we continue to talk about your pivots, entertainment,

0:39:48.320 --> 0:39:51.319
<v Speaker 2>some of the projects you're doing, and uh, you know,

0:39:51.440 --> 0:39:53.440
<v Speaker 2>also a couple more football things. But we're going to

0:39:53.480 --> 0:39:55.279
<v Speaker 2>take a quick break and we'll be right back with

0:39:55.360 --> 0:40:07.839
<v Speaker 2>more with Matthew had Ye. All right, we were we

0:40:07.840 --> 0:40:10.640
<v Speaker 2>were talking about that fifteen and one Minnesota team before

0:40:11.000 --> 0:40:15.120
<v Speaker 2>the break. You know, you had the you had the

0:40:15.160 --> 0:40:18.279
<v Speaker 2>front row seat. He was your quarterback, Randall Cunningham. And

0:40:18.280 --> 0:40:23.080
<v Speaker 2>for these kids today who did not understand who round

0:40:23.320 --> 0:40:25.560
<v Speaker 2>Randall Cunningham was, especially at that time.

0:40:25.880 --> 0:40:27.399
<v Speaker 1>Look, he was more than just a dude that did

0:40:27.400 --> 0:40:28.279
<v Speaker 1>a guest appearance on.

0:40:28.239 --> 0:40:33.000
<v Speaker 3>Market, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, right, he had yeah right right.

0:40:33.719 --> 0:40:35.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, more too up to that that dude was.

0:40:36.480 --> 0:40:39.359
<v Speaker 2>He's one of the most incredible athletes that ever has

0:40:39.440 --> 0:40:40.280
<v Speaker 2>played that position.

0:40:40.360 --> 0:40:42.480
<v Speaker 1>Just incredible quarterbacks and players period.

0:40:42.560 --> 0:40:46.680
<v Speaker 2>Yes, But what did Randall Cunningham do And this is

0:40:46.719 --> 0:40:50.400
<v Speaker 2>mostly for those the audience that did not wasn't able

0:40:50.440 --> 0:40:51.520
<v Speaker 2>to really see him play.

0:40:51.960 --> 0:40:54.600
<v Speaker 1>What do you think he did for the perception of

0:40:54.719 --> 0:40:55.560
<v Speaker 1>black quarterbacks?

0:40:55.560 --> 0:40:58.600
<v Speaker 3>Oh well, he changed it tremendously because he was one

0:40:58.640 --> 0:41:02.640
<v Speaker 3>of the guys to African American guys who could throw

0:41:02.719 --> 0:41:06.239
<v Speaker 3>it and run it. Right, we always want the l

0:41:06.320 --> 0:41:08.759
<v Speaker 3>way of course could do both as well, right, but

0:41:08.840 --> 0:41:12.160
<v Speaker 3>he was still in the cookie cutter box of the position.

0:41:12.840 --> 0:41:15.719
<v Speaker 3>Cunningham was so far out of the box, right. His

0:41:15.880 --> 0:41:19.800
<v Speaker 3>body type, he was lanky. You know, he's going to

0:41:19.840 --> 0:41:21.960
<v Speaker 3>get hurt because you know, he's just too skinny, you know,

0:41:22.040 --> 0:41:25.280
<v Speaker 3>all of those things. So the running around that Randall

0:41:25.360 --> 0:41:29.200
<v Speaker 3>did it was just amazing because don't forget, he was

0:41:29.320 --> 0:41:31.520
<v Speaker 3>like a probably a four to four guy, you know.

0:41:31.600 --> 0:41:34.040
<v Speaker 3>I mean he wasn't Michael Vick's four two, but at

0:41:34.040 --> 0:41:36.480
<v Speaker 3>that position a guy run in a four to four.

0:41:36.560 --> 0:41:39.840
<v Speaker 3>He was running away from backers and jumping over people,

0:41:40.200 --> 0:41:42.560
<v Speaker 3>and his you know, his body would get bent a

0:41:42.560 --> 0:41:45.080
<v Speaker 3>certain way and you know, look like rubber Man, you know,

0:41:45.640 --> 0:41:48.000
<v Speaker 3>uh throw, you know when he gets tackled, and then

0:41:48.000 --> 0:41:50.640
<v Speaker 3>the next play he's throwing a forty yard bomb. So

0:41:50.920 --> 0:41:55.440
<v Speaker 3>I think this his his image of being a quarterback

0:41:55.520 --> 0:41:58.920
<v Speaker 3>at that time in the league, where there was nobody

0:41:58.960 --> 0:42:02.520
<v Speaker 3>doing that. That's what change the perception. That's what changed

0:42:02.880 --> 0:42:07.359
<v Speaker 3>offensive coordinators' mindsets of Oh, we can run my system

0:42:07.800 --> 0:42:12.959
<v Speaker 3>with him and still win the game doing it my way,

0:42:13.200 --> 0:42:15.480
<v Speaker 3>because most of the time they see a black quarterback, Oh,

0:42:15.600 --> 0:42:18.360
<v Speaker 3>I have to change my system now you don't. You

0:42:18.400 --> 0:42:21.400
<v Speaker 3>can call this. You would call the plays for Joe Montana,

0:42:21.520 --> 0:42:24.640
<v Speaker 3>John Elway and Troy Aikman. But by the way, he

0:42:24.800 --> 0:42:26.640
<v Speaker 3>might just go ahead and run this play on third

0:42:26.719 --> 0:42:29.399
<v Speaker 3>down and go get you ten or forty. You don't

0:42:29.440 --> 0:42:31.759
<v Speaker 3>even know. But I think now, looking back, as I'm

0:42:31.760 --> 0:42:34.120
<v Speaker 3>a play caller, now I look at it as that's

0:42:34.160 --> 0:42:37.520
<v Speaker 3>the best weapon to have because from an offensive perspective,

0:42:37.560 --> 0:42:40.359
<v Speaker 3>you get to play eleven on eleven. Most of the time,

0:42:40.400 --> 0:42:43.880
<v Speaker 3>you're playing ten on eleven because the quarterback's unaccounted for

0:42:44.000 --> 0:42:45.439
<v Speaker 3>because you know where he's going to be and he's

0:42:45.440 --> 0:42:47.239
<v Speaker 3>not gonna run it, he's gonna throw it, or he's

0:42:47.239 --> 0:42:49.560
<v Speaker 3>going to hand it off. But when you're playing eleven

0:42:49.560 --> 0:42:53.319
<v Speaker 3>on eleven, all those numbers have changed from safety in

0:42:53.360 --> 0:42:56.640
<v Speaker 3>the box, linebacker in the box, and or having a spy.

0:42:57.080 --> 0:42:58.880
<v Speaker 3>And of course that's what you see now in twenty

0:42:58.960 --> 0:43:03.160
<v Speaker 3>twenty five is you're playing eleven on eleven every single time.

0:43:03.600 --> 0:43:06.080
<v Speaker 3>That's why you have the advantage of an offensive coordinator.

0:43:06.640 --> 0:43:08.440
<v Speaker 2>And to me, the most he had a lot of

0:43:08.680 --> 0:43:13.759
<v Speaker 2>impressive statistics. The most impressive stat he ever had to

0:43:13.840 --> 0:43:17.080
<v Speaker 2>me was he's the only player in history to complete

0:43:17.160 --> 0:43:19.400
<v Speaker 2>a fifty yard pass and this is all in the

0:43:19.400 --> 0:43:22.440
<v Speaker 2>same game. A fifty yard touchdown pass, to run for

0:43:22.560 --> 0:43:24.719
<v Speaker 2>over or to have an over fifty yards in a

0:43:24.800 --> 0:43:25.879
<v Speaker 2>touchdown run, and.

0:43:25.840 --> 0:43:30.080
<v Speaker 1>Two punts for over yards in the same game.

0:43:30.160 --> 0:43:32.400
<v Speaker 2>He threw a fifty yard pass or it was a

0:43:32.400 --> 0:43:35.320
<v Speaker 2>fifty yard pass he threw he ran for over fifty

0:43:35.760 --> 0:43:37.040
<v Speaker 2>like he had a fifty had a long run.

0:43:37.080 --> 0:43:39.360
<v Speaker 1>I forgot how many yards it was, and he punted

0:43:39.640 --> 0:43:40.920
<v Speaker 1>ninety yards.

0:43:41.080 --> 0:43:48.239
<v Speaker 3>Yes, that's one zone in zone one. Yeah, yeah, he wanted.

0:43:48.520 --> 0:43:49.880
<v Speaker 1>I was like, no, man like that.

0:43:50.480 --> 0:43:53.360
<v Speaker 3>People people always like want to stay look at stuff

0:43:53.400 --> 0:43:55.880
<v Speaker 3>like that. Well, but he kicked it. I'm like, but

0:43:56.000 --> 0:44:00.400
<v Speaker 3>this is somebody who's not a kick He's just an athlete, right,

0:44:00.600 --> 0:44:03.600
<v Speaker 3>you know what I'm saying. But like people, it's okay,

0:44:03.760 --> 0:44:07.040
<v Speaker 3>CEOs or vice presidents of people out there at some company,

0:44:07.440 --> 0:44:11.000
<v Speaker 3>go and do three other jobs today at your job,

0:44:11.200 --> 0:44:13.200
<v Speaker 3>and you'll see how hard it is to do three

0:44:13.239 --> 0:44:15.680
<v Speaker 3>people's job in one day. Like, it's not an easy task.

0:44:15.719 --> 0:44:17.760
<v Speaker 3>And don't forget he's also doing this against the best

0:44:18.040 --> 0:44:21.680
<v Speaker 3>athletes in the world and making it look easy. Yeah,

0:44:21.719 --> 0:44:23.279
<v Speaker 3>he was just a freakish athlete.

0:44:23.719 --> 0:44:26.640
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, as you mentioned it was.

0:44:27.000 --> 0:44:29.759
<v Speaker 2>It used to be just kind of an accepted reality

0:44:29.840 --> 0:44:32.000
<v Speaker 2>that when it was black quarterbacks. You know, a lot

0:44:32.040 --> 0:44:35.360
<v Speaker 2>of black quarterbacks had their careers kind of ruined because

0:44:35.400 --> 0:44:38.680
<v Speaker 2>they got with offensive coordinators or head coaches who understand

0:44:38.719 --> 0:44:41.840
<v Speaker 2>their skill set right and how to maximize that, or

0:44:41.920 --> 0:44:44.680
<v Speaker 2>just kept trying to sort of force a square peg

0:44:44.760 --> 0:44:48.160
<v Speaker 2>into a round hole. How much was Randall Cunningham helped

0:44:48.200 --> 0:44:50.360
<v Speaker 2>by the fact that Denny Green was his coach.

0:44:50.880 --> 0:44:53.920
<v Speaker 3>Oh night and day. If he could have probably went

0:44:54.000 --> 0:44:57.359
<v Speaker 3>somewhere else because don't forget, remember he had retired and

0:44:57.440 --> 0:45:00.200
<v Speaker 3>he came out of retirement. If he would have went

0:45:00.239 --> 0:45:02.759
<v Speaker 3>to another team, I don't think or he could might

0:45:02.800 --> 0:45:05.480
<v Speaker 3>not have had the best career at the Press season

0:45:05.480 --> 0:45:07.399
<v Speaker 3>ever because that was his best season as a pro

0:45:07.440 --> 0:45:10.279
<v Speaker 3>and he was balling in Philly. But him for him,

0:45:10.320 --> 0:45:12.879
<v Speaker 3>he won NFL MVP that year. But it was all

0:45:12.960 --> 0:45:15.799
<v Speaker 3>to me, which best coach I ever had was Denny Green,

0:45:16.360 --> 0:45:19.359
<v Speaker 3>because it wasn't about say do it my way, Let

0:45:19.360 --> 0:45:22.480
<v Speaker 3>me find out what he does well, use him for that,

0:45:22.680 --> 0:45:24.799
<v Speaker 3>and then of course put the pieces around him to

0:45:24.880 --> 0:45:28.000
<v Speaker 3>help him facilitate and be successful in this system. So

0:45:28.120 --> 0:45:32.200
<v Speaker 3>for Dinny to see that early, not overwhelm him with

0:45:32.560 --> 0:45:34.640
<v Speaker 3>you have to do it the way our system is.

0:45:35.040 --> 0:45:37.359
<v Speaker 3>Overwhelm him. You have to do it with the way

0:45:37.360 --> 0:45:40.600
<v Speaker 3>our Brad Johnson was doing it, because don't forget Brad

0:45:41.080 --> 0:45:44.880
<v Speaker 3>started Week one, I think, but all of our concerns

0:45:44.920 --> 0:45:48.560
<v Speaker 3>going into Week one was Brad can't reach Moss on

0:45:48.640 --> 0:45:51.600
<v Speaker 3>the go ball. Like he had a good arm, but

0:45:51.680 --> 0:45:54.719
<v Speaker 3>he wasn't throwing those sixty yard rockets like Randa was.

0:45:55.320 --> 0:45:58.880
<v Speaker 3>So even though we had a successful game versus Tampa

0:45:58.960 --> 0:46:03.240
<v Speaker 3>week one, the offense wasn't opening up until Randall played

0:46:03.320 --> 0:46:06.600
<v Speaker 3>in that offense because we know now Moss can stretch

0:46:06.640 --> 0:46:09.359
<v Speaker 3>the field and people are like, well every quarterback can

0:46:09.360 --> 0:46:12.360
<v Speaker 3>throw it down there, Like, no, you can't them balls

0:46:12.480 --> 0:46:15.040
<v Speaker 3>was down there. They were down the field and Mass

0:46:15.120 --> 0:46:17.759
<v Speaker 3>was out running these guys, and that makes a huge

0:46:17.800 --> 0:46:20.680
<v Speaker 3>difference for Dinny Green to even see that, understand that.

0:46:21.200 --> 0:46:22.480
<v Speaker 3>But when we see it, I think it was the

0:46:22.480 --> 0:46:25.600
<v Speaker 3>first time we seen I think Mass. I think the

0:46:25.600 --> 0:46:28.600
<v Speaker 3>Bengals game it was like one of those I swear

0:46:28.640 --> 0:46:30.600
<v Speaker 3>the balls in the air for at these seventy seventy

0:46:30.640 --> 0:46:33.800
<v Speaker 3>five yards and you saw a bomb back in the

0:46:33.880 --> 0:46:37.160
<v Speaker 3>day was caught the go ball right. Bomb was caught

0:46:37.200 --> 0:46:40.200
<v Speaker 3>at forty and five right, so it was forty yards

0:46:40.280 --> 0:46:42.960
<v Speaker 3>down the field, five yards to the sideline. So everybody

0:46:43.080 --> 0:46:46.360
<v Speaker 3>practiced that. Quarterbacks one, two th four, five, forty and

0:46:46.440 --> 0:46:49.319
<v Speaker 3>five and receivers we run twenty, look up at ten right,

0:46:49.400 --> 0:46:51.520
<v Speaker 3>forty and five. Ball is going to be there. When

0:46:51.640 --> 0:46:54.239
<v Speaker 3>Mass came to the league, he had the mass rule

0:46:54.320 --> 0:46:56.759
<v Speaker 3>and it was fifty and five because he was so

0:46:56.920 --> 0:47:00.200
<v Speaker 3>much further down the field when the ball rise in,

0:47:00.320 --> 0:47:03.359
<v Speaker 3>Corners and safeties were not getting to that spot and

0:47:03.719 --> 0:47:05.839
<v Speaker 3>Randon was the only one that was able to reach

0:47:05.960 --> 0:47:08.319
<v Speaker 3>him on a five and a hitch to throw that ball.

0:47:08.400 --> 0:47:10.959
<v Speaker 3>So again, he changed his whole perception, changed the game.

0:47:11.480 --> 0:47:15.240
<v Speaker 3>And I kind of like Danny Green, and I think

0:47:15.400 --> 0:47:17.480
<v Speaker 3>Brian Billick did a great job. And I don't see

0:47:17.480 --> 0:47:20.520
<v Speaker 3>a lot of that nowadays because I think personally there's

0:47:20.600 --> 0:47:25.040
<v Speaker 3>more coordinators and or coaches that ruin quarterbacks than make

0:47:25.080 --> 0:47:27.480
<v Speaker 3>a quarterback. And I think one of the best coaches

0:47:27.520 --> 0:47:31.359
<v Speaker 3>out there that's really not getting enough I guess enough,

0:47:31.760 --> 0:47:36.719
<v Speaker 3>not excitement, but enough whatever, something good credit there you go.

0:47:36.800 --> 0:47:41.040
<v Speaker 3>Credit get enough. Credit is Todd Mounkin for what he's

0:47:41.080 --> 0:47:43.840
<v Speaker 3>doing with Lamar Jackson, Like, I think he's done a

0:47:43.840 --> 0:47:48.600
<v Speaker 3>great job of, okay, using what Lamar does. Still this system,

0:47:49.200 --> 0:47:52.040
<v Speaker 3>use these pieces. I think there's a lot of systems

0:47:52.080 --> 0:47:55.400
<v Speaker 3>and coaches that would not do as well with Lamar Jackson.

0:47:55.640 --> 0:47:58.839
<v Speaker 3>And we know Lamar is Lamar. I feel like he's

0:47:58.880 --> 0:48:01.920
<v Speaker 3>an NFL MVP. But you put them in another system

0:48:02.040 --> 0:48:04.120
<v Speaker 3>and there'll be a bunch of people screaming, well, he

0:48:04.160 --> 0:48:06.239
<v Speaker 3>can't do this and he can't do that. Well, that's

0:48:06.280 --> 0:48:08.640
<v Speaker 3>the coach's fault. And I just don't think that's talked

0:48:08.760 --> 0:48:11.120
<v Speaker 3>enough right now. Like again, that marriage up there in

0:48:11.200 --> 0:48:13.879
<v Speaker 3>Baltimore's great, and that reminds me of what Danny Green

0:48:14.200 --> 0:48:15.400
<v Speaker 3>did with the random Cunningham.

0:48:16.160 --> 0:48:22.040
<v Speaker 1>So in practice, did you ever try to race Randy Moss?

0:48:23.200 --> 0:48:25.799
<v Speaker 3>You know what? This is how we raced because we

0:48:25.920 --> 0:48:30.319
<v Speaker 3>raced every game. So in back in the day when

0:48:30.360 --> 0:48:33.200
<v Speaker 3>the TV copy you could barely see the edge of

0:48:33.280 --> 0:48:37.360
<v Speaker 3>the receivers where the receivers would stand, right. So every play,

0:48:37.600 --> 0:48:40.239
<v Speaker 3>if we're running a run play, like our goal was

0:48:40.280 --> 0:48:43.279
<v Speaker 3>who would get to the ten yard mark first? I

0:48:43.280 --> 0:48:44.960
<v Speaker 3>mean I was a four to three coming out, so

0:48:45.000 --> 0:48:46.880
<v Speaker 3>I'm not no slouts, you know what I'm saying? But

0:48:47.040 --> 0:48:49.319
<v Speaker 3>to me, I could I ran a four to three

0:48:49.400 --> 0:48:51.759
<v Speaker 3>for four quarters, like I didn't get tired. I never

0:48:51.800 --> 0:48:54.680
<v Speaker 3>got tired. So by that like third and fourth quarter,

0:48:54.840 --> 0:48:56.920
<v Speaker 3>I think I was beating Moss on a couple of

0:48:56.920 --> 0:48:59.799
<v Speaker 3>times to that ten yard mark here and there. But

0:48:59.840 --> 0:49:02.560
<v Speaker 3>I could definitely come off the ball. What I my

0:49:02.800 --> 0:49:05.400
<v Speaker 3>time overall was that a four to two like Moss. No,

0:49:05.760 --> 0:49:07.719
<v Speaker 3>but I could probably beat him one out of ten

0:49:07.760 --> 0:49:09.280
<v Speaker 3>times because he go get tired.

0:49:12.440 --> 0:49:15.560
<v Speaker 2>Sure you know, I'm sure you've seen because he announced

0:49:15.560 --> 0:49:17.480
<v Speaker 2>it himself that he's back in cancer.

0:49:17.760 --> 0:49:18.760
<v Speaker 1>Have you talked to Randy?

0:49:19.680 --> 0:49:21.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, I hit him up. I say, just you know,

0:49:21.560 --> 0:49:23.800
<v Speaker 3>just praying for you, because we've been been in contact,

0:49:23.800 --> 0:49:27.239
<v Speaker 3>you know, through our retirement and he was always coming

0:49:27.239 --> 0:49:29.640
<v Speaker 3>out here to La for Fox, and he was on Fox,

0:49:29.880 --> 0:49:32.480
<v Speaker 3>you know, hooping every day, you know, just trying to

0:49:32.520 --> 0:49:35.399
<v Speaker 3>stay young, stay healthy or not every day. But when

0:49:35.400 --> 0:49:37.040
<v Speaker 3>he was out here, like every Saturday, we used to

0:49:37.239 --> 0:49:39.799
<v Speaker 3>hoop whatever. But it was you know, good times then.

0:49:39.880 --> 0:49:43.040
<v Speaker 3>And now that we're both on this side of you know,

0:49:43.400 --> 0:49:45.719
<v Speaker 3>of our age, you know that when that hit, I

0:49:45.840 --> 0:49:48.359
<v Speaker 3>was like, yeah, it's real, you know, but I told him,

0:49:48.400 --> 0:49:50.080
<v Speaker 3>you know, I tell him all the time. I'm praying

0:49:50.080 --> 0:49:53.560
<v Speaker 3>for you, you know, getting stay healthy, get healthy, stay healthy,

0:49:53.840 --> 0:49:56.600
<v Speaker 3>watch what you eat. All those conversations we have now

0:49:56.960 --> 0:49:59.080
<v Speaker 3>compared to you know, what we had, you know, twenty

0:49:59.160 --> 0:50:02.319
<v Speaker 3>years ago. Crazy because again that was my roommate when

0:50:02.360 --> 0:50:04.640
<v Speaker 3>he got to the Vikings and we were pretty close

0:50:04.719 --> 0:50:07.680
<v Speaker 3>that whole time I was there. And now, you know,

0:50:07.960 --> 0:50:12.399
<v Speaker 3>to see this shoot twenty eight, twenty eight years later,

0:50:12.440 --> 0:50:15.520
<v Speaker 3>twenty seven years later, it's crazy. But you know, he's

0:50:15.560 --> 0:50:18.319
<v Speaker 3>you know, had a great success. To me, I've been

0:50:18.400 --> 0:50:23.120
<v Speaker 3>very successful after a playing as well, doing media, what

0:50:23.239 --> 0:50:25.600
<v Speaker 3>people didn't really think he would ever do because he

0:50:25.600 --> 0:50:29.200
<v Speaker 3>couldn't stand the media proposedly. But yeah know, but then

0:50:29.200 --> 0:50:32.280
<v Speaker 3>he gets on there and everybody loves him. I'm happy

0:50:32.280 --> 0:50:35.480
<v Speaker 3>for him. Like I said, I don't think he revamped

0:50:35.640 --> 0:50:39.680
<v Speaker 3>his his image if you will, but I just think

0:50:39.719 --> 0:50:41.640
<v Speaker 3>that's who he is. Just nobody saw it because he

0:50:41.719 --> 0:50:43.879
<v Speaker 3>just didn't want to be seen, you know, like people

0:50:43.920 --> 0:50:45.520
<v Speaker 3>didn't see him all the time. They did me hear

0:50:45.560 --> 0:50:47.880
<v Speaker 3>him in interviews when he finally came out, they're like,

0:50:47.920 --> 0:50:50.319
<v Speaker 3>that's Randy Molson. Yeah, that's ryand the most that's how

0:50:50.360 --> 0:50:53.839
<v Speaker 3>we talked, you know. So it's their first time because

0:50:53.840 --> 0:50:55.319
<v Speaker 3>he didn't do a lot of that stuff when he

0:50:55.400 --> 0:50:58.840
<v Speaker 3>was playing. He just didn't want to. But I personally

0:50:58.840 --> 0:51:01.080
<v Speaker 3>think he did it the right way. And I remember

0:51:01.880 --> 0:51:06.840
<v Speaker 3>because everybody wants to get on him because he didn't

0:51:06.840 --> 0:51:09.120
<v Speaker 3>do what they wanted him to do, especially the media.

0:51:09.120 --> 0:51:10.719
<v Speaker 3>I want you to do interviews now. I want you

0:51:10.760 --> 0:51:12.600
<v Speaker 3>to do interviews at Super Bowl. I want you to

0:51:12.600 --> 0:51:15.160
<v Speaker 3>do them when you win. And Randy I'm doing I

0:51:15.280 --> 0:51:18.480
<v Speaker 3>want to do it. And I just remember Tom Brady.

0:51:18.520 --> 0:51:22.839
<v Speaker 3>They asked Tom Brady after Patrick Mahomes won his first

0:51:22.880 --> 0:51:25.319
<v Speaker 3>Super Bowl, you know he won no second super Bowl.

0:51:25.600 --> 0:51:27.799
<v Speaker 3>He's so young, he's going to catch your record and

0:51:27.920 --> 0:51:29.640
<v Speaker 3>you know all these he's going to end up with

0:51:29.719 --> 0:51:31.560
<v Speaker 3>more rings than you, Like, how do you feel about that?

0:51:31.640 --> 0:51:35.279
<v Speaker 3>And I remember Brady saying, if Patrick Mahomes wants to

0:51:35.320 --> 0:51:38.200
<v Speaker 3>catch me, he's going to have to change his life.

0:51:39.440 --> 0:51:41.680
<v Speaker 3>And I was like, I thought, I'm like interesting, because

0:51:42.360 --> 0:51:46.680
<v Speaker 3>Brady knows you have to disappear, right Patrick pretty much.

0:51:46.800 --> 0:51:48.640
<v Speaker 3>I mean he does some things here and there, but

0:51:48.719 --> 0:51:51.399
<v Speaker 3>in the public eye, when you're the guy, you got

0:51:51.440 --> 0:51:55.719
<v Speaker 3>to disappear. Mass had disappeared. They just didn't like that.

0:51:55.800 --> 0:51:58.040
<v Speaker 3>It was mass and he disappeared. They wanted more of him.

0:51:58.040 --> 0:52:00.680
<v Speaker 3>Most didn't give you that, but if you think about it,

0:52:00.719 --> 0:52:03.200
<v Speaker 3>Brady didn't give you that neither. Right, Patrick doesn't give

0:52:03.239 --> 0:52:05.560
<v Speaker 3>you that neither. A couple of commercials here and there,

0:52:05.560 --> 0:52:08.560
<v Speaker 3>but those guys aren't always available. You know, you're going

0:52:08.600 --> 0:52:10.840
<v Speaker 3>to do your interviews now because the NFL has this

0:52:10.960 --> 0:52:14.160
<v Speaker 3>contract with you know, these TV stations, all that stuff,

0:52:14.719 --> 0:52:17.759
<v Speaker 3>But really, in the limelight and your lifestyle, you really

0:52:17.800 --> 0:52:21.120
<v Speaker 3>have to disappear to be one of these best players

0:52:21.400 --> 0:52:22.600
<v Speaker 3>in sports history.

0:52:23.640 --> 0:52:26.719
<v Speaker 2>You know, Like you mentioned Randy pivoting the media, it

0:52:26.840 --> 0:52:30.160
<v Speaker 2>was it was kind of funny and also surprising, but

0:52:30.320 --> 0:52:32.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, I mean he I never imagine Nick Saby

0:52:32.760 --> 0:52:34.400
<v Speaker 2>would be in that either because he also didn't like

0:52:34.440 --> 0:52:37.640
<v Speaker 2>the media. But yeah, sometimes those are guys that give

0:52:37.680 --> 0:52:41.120
<v Speaker 2>you the most valuable insight. But with that being said,

0:52:41.200 --> 0:52:44.600
<v Speaker 2>you have, you know, you know a lot of retired players,

0:52:45.160 --> 0:52:48.680
<v Speaker 2>and you yourself have obviously been in that position. Why

0:52:48.760 --> 0:52:52.600
<v Speaker 2>does it seem like so many professional athletes, particularly football players,

0:52:52.640 --> 0:52:54.000
<v Speaker 2>seem to struggle once they.

0:52:53.920 --> 0:52:58.080
<v Speaker 3>Retire mentality, the mindset. I made it to the league.

0:52:58.160 --> 0:53:01.520
<v Speaker 3>They forget that it took him to ten years twelve years.

0:53:01.640 --> 0:53:04.680
<v Speaker 3>Fifteen years because they started playing football at nine, they

0:53:04.719 --> 0:53:07.120
<v Speaker 3>got drafted at twenty three. They started playing football at five,

0:53:07.160 --> 0:53:10.800
<v Speaker 3>they got drafted at twenty one. That's fifteen years or something.

0:53:10.960 --> 0:53:13.000
<v Speaker 3>You don't just get out of the NFL and say

0:53:13.080 --> 0:53:15.719
<v Speaker 3>I'm good at this over here. It don't work like that.

0:53:16.360 --> 0:53:18.359
<v Speaker 3>Most of the time we're like, well, since we made

0:53:18.400 --> 0:53:23.319
<v Speaker 3>it to the NFL, I'm warranted a shortcut to have

0:53:23.360 --> 0:53:27.640
<v Speaker 3>success in something else. No, that ain't it. We think that,

0:53:27.719 --> 0:53:30.960
<v Speaker 3>we hope that, but you're going to have to go

0:53:31.040 --> 0:53:34.239
<v Speaker 3>through a period of time or you're going to struggle,

0:53:34.600 --> 0:53:38.200
<v Speaker 3>you're going to fail, you're gonna be misunderstood all for

0:53:38.360 --> 0:53:41.560
<v Speaker 3>another lane that you don't want to feel that way

0:53:41.560 --> 0:53:43.560
<v Speaker 3>because now you you've been a superstar for so long,

0:53:43.680 --> 0:53:45.200
<v Speaker 3>you don't know how it is to go back to

0:53:45.239 --> 0:53:47.759
<v Speaker 3>get it from the mud. So that's the biggest thing.

0:53:47.800 --> 0:53:50.600
<v Speaker 3>I think that mindset of the world owes me something,

0:53:50.840 --> 0:53:53.279
<v Speaker 3>or you know, I played in the league, so you

0:53:53.280 --> 0:53:55.600
<v Speaker 3>guys are supposed to give me this deal like all

0:53:55.640 --> 0:53:57.960
<v Speaker 3>those things. It just doesn't happen because you're still going

0:53:58.040 --> 0:54:01.160
<v Speaker 3>up against the other one percent center that has been

0:54:01.560 --> 0:54:03.960
<v Speaker 3>been in the business for fifteen years, and I think

0:54:04.040 --> 0:54:06.200
<v Speaker 3>if they understand that, they're like, you know what, let

0:54:06.200 --> 0:54:08.360
<v Speaker 3>me just go back to work. It might take some time,

0:54:08.760 --> 0:54:13.040
<v Speaker 3>but you do instill the qualities inside you that you

0:54:13.080 --> 0:54:15.600
<v Speaker 3>can still go do anything that you want. It's going

0:54:15.680 --> 0:54:17.279
<v Speaker 3>to take some time. It's going to take some grip.

0:54:17.960 --> 0:54:20.239
<v Speaker 2>It sounds like once you decided that you wanted to

0:54:20.239 --> 0:54:23.919
<v Speaker 2>get into entertainment, then you started learning the components of entertainment. Okay,

0:54:23.960 --> 0:54:25.560
<v Speaker 2>this is what the director does. You know you went

0:54:25.600 --> 0:54:27.520
<v Speaker 2>on an educational fact finding mission.

0:54:28.040 --> 0:54:30.480
<v Speaker 1>Did you have a oh, this is.

0:54:30.400 --> 0:54:32.920
<v Speaker 2>How they do things entertainment moment, like a you know

0:54:32.920 --> 0:54:34.800
<v Speaker 2>how they say the welcome to the NFL moment?

0:54:34.960 --> 0:54:37.360
<v Speaker 1>Like did you have a welcome to Hollywood? At the

0:54:37.440 --> 0:54:38.319
<v Speaker 1>moment where you're like.

0:54:38.880 --> 0:54:46.759
<v Speaker 10>Oh, this, I don't know if it's a welcome to

0:54:46.840 --> 0:54:50.120
<v Speaker 10>Hollywood story, but I'll tell you a funny story that it's.

0:54:50.960 --> 0:54:55.440
<v Speaker 3>It was a humbling experience, I'll put it that way. So,

0:54:56.400 --> 0:54:59.120
<v Speaker 3>because when I was playing, and when I first probably

0:54:59.120 --> 0:55:01.240
<v Speaker 3>the first five years I got out, I was really

0:55:01.280 --> 0:55:03.480
<v Speaker 3>on the scene, going all to the movie sets and

0:55:03.600 --> 0:55:06.440
<v Speaker 3>video shoots and all this stuff, right because I'm meeting people,

0:55:06.800 --> 0:55:09.359
<v Speaker 3>and it was easy for me to get on because

0:55:09.360 --> 0:55:11.759
<v Speaker 3>I guess I still had the NFL tag behind me.

0:55:12.719 --> 0:55:17.319
<v Speaker 3>So will you know Will's movies, Handcock and all that.

0:55:17.360 --> 0:55:19.279
<v Speaker 3>We would always go to the trailers and you know,

0:55:19.360 --> 0:55:21.879
<v Speaker 3>hang out, we go, shoot the scene, come out, come back.

0:55:21.880 --> 0:55:24.200
<v Speaker 3>We're playing Domino's and Space till the next scene. You know,

0:55:24.239 --> 0:55:26.520
<v Speaker 3>they got two hours. I gotta you know, re you know,

0:55:27.640 --> 0:55:31.360
<v Speaker 3>do the lighting or whatever. So I forget what movie

0:55:31.360 --> 0:55:34.440
<v Speaker 3>it was. I think it was might have been seven pounds,

0:55:34.640 --> 0:55:36.960
<v Speaker 3>but so you know me, well, y'all shooting now, you

0:55:37.000 --> 0:55:40.640
<v Speaker 3>know whatever? Oh y'all be downtown, okay, on it, get

0:55:40.640 --> 0:55:45.279
<v Speaker 3>over there? Hey, what's up to seeing everybody? So I said,

0:55:45.280 --> 0:55:47.839
<v Speaker 3>what's up to everybody? And then like I was there

0:55:47.840 --> 0:55:50.879
<v Speaker 3>for like maybe five minutes, Like thirty seconds later, dude

0:55:50.920 --> 0:55:54.080
<v Speaker 3>was like, uh, you gotta go, Like what you mean,

0:55:54.200 --> 0:55:57.000
<v Speaker 3>I gotta go? Yeah, you you can't be over here.

0:55:57.320 --> 0:55:59.560
<v Speaker 3>I'm like the first time I ever got kicked off

0:55:59.600 --> 0:56:02.920
<v Speaker 3>a set, and I was that's my this is how

0:56:02.920 --> 0:56:05.840
<v Speaker 3>they do it in Hollywood moment. Not in a bad way,

0:56:05.960 --> 0:56:11.320
<v Speaker 3>but I'm just like, yeah, I have to become bigger

0:56:11.520 --> 0:56:14.239
<v Speaker 3>in this business or I need to have more of

0:56:14.280 --> 0:56:17.400
<v Speaker 3>a of a footprint in this business. But that was

0:56:17.400 --> 0:56:20.880
<v Speaker 3>the most humbling experience I've ever had in my life.

0:56:20.920 --> 0:56:24.200
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, okay, if all y'all you know, I didn't

0:56:24.239 --> 0:56:26.240
<v Speaker 3>want to be here. I don't want to be here anyway,

0:56:26.400 --> 0:56:29.319
<v Speaker 3>you know, one of those. But I remember they kicked

0:56:29.320 --> 0:56:32.640
<v Speaker 3>me off set, and that was the first time I

0:56:32.719 --> 0:56:34.879
<v Speaker 3>wasn't mad. I was just like, you know what, let

0:56:34.880 --> 0:56:37.640
<v Speaker 3>me go. It was. It was the kid that when

0:56:37.960 --> 0:56:40.600
<v Speaker 3>the adults were playing basketball and you were too small

0:56:40.960 --> 0:56:43.160
<v Speaker 3>and like, no, he can't play yet. That's how I

0:56:43.160 --> 0:56:45.440
<v Speaker 3>took that. Let me go work on some projects, let

0:56:45.480 --> 0:56:47.239
<v Speaker 3>me go get my let me go get better at

0:56:47.280 --> 0:56:49.080
<v Speaker 3>what I do, so y'all go see me later. That's

0:56:49.080 --> 0:56:50.800
<v Speaker 3>how I felt. But I remember that was probably the

0:56:51.480 --> 0:56:54.359
<v Speaker 3>most humbling experience in the entertainment industry so far.

0:56:55.320 --> 0:56:56.960
<v Speaker 1>So what did you feel like?

0:56:57.480 --> 0:57:01.400
<v Speaker 2>Was a break or maybe we could have been more

0:57:01.440 --> 0:57:05.319
<v Speaker 2>than one that really got you sort of in the

0:57:05.440 --> 0:57:08.400
<v Speaker 2>right circle of influence and that you needed to be

0:57:08.480 --> 0:57:09.759
<v Speaker 2>in Hollywood.

0:57:10.400 --> 0:57:13.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. The funny thing is I mean, is it a break,

0:57:13.840 --> 0:57:16.240
<v Speaker 3>was it timing or is it both? But I remember

0:57:16.360 --> 0:57:19.160
<v Speaker 3>how I met my business partner Brad Furman, right, big

0:57:19.200 --> 0:57:22.000
<v Speaker 3>studio director. Now we did the movie to take together.

0:57:22.080 --> 0:57:26.160
<v Speaker 3>But how we met was just playing basketball and my

0:57:26.520 --> 0:57:30.640
<v Speaker 3>buddy Braxon Polp producer. You know, he's like, we're Gonnavite,

0:57:30.720 --> 0:57:33.960
<v Speaker 3>Brad and me and Brad just vibe like we were

0:57:34.000 --> 0:57:37.000
<v Speaker 3>like cool, let's go do a project together. He's a director,

0:57:37.120 --> 0:57:41.200
<v Speaker 3>I was when I was financial movies. We just had

0:57:41.240 --> 0:57:45.160
<v Speaker 3>the same energy, the same go get it mentality, mentality,

0:57:45.640 --> 0:57:48.120
<v Speaker 3>the same we don't know what we're doing yet, but

0:57:48.160 --> 0:57:50.640
<v Speaker 3>we go figure it out, you know, mindset, and we

0:57:50.720 --> 0:57:53.440
<v Speaker 3>end up doing our first project together, you know, one

0:57:53.520 --> 0:57:56.360
<v Speaker 3>awards for it was up for an Independent Spirit Awards.

0:57:56.680 --> 0:57:58.600
<v Speaker 3>It was a great project for us. And of course

0:57:58.600 --> 0:58:01.080
<v Speaker 3>since then he's been doing these huge movies, you know,

0:58:01.200 --> 0:58:04.840
<v Speaker 3>with some of the biggest names in the business. You know.

0:58:06.280 --> 0:58:10.000
<v Speaker 3>But after we did the take, I thought that going back,

0:58:10.120 --> 0:58:12.320
<v Speaker 3>I was like, yeah, how did we meet Brad? Yeah,

0:58:12.320 --> 0:58:14.480
<v Speaker 3>we were playing basketball. It was so weird to me,

0:58:14.640 --> 0:58:16.720
<v Speaker 3>like it was was it a break or was it timing?

0:58:17.320 --> 0:58:20.200
<v Speaker 3>I have no idea, but me and Brad Furman, we've

0:58:20.240 --> 0:58:23.000
<v Speaker 3>been too good friends for I guess fifteen going on

0:58:23.040 --> 0:58:25.800
<v Speaker 3>twenty plus years now, and we just met playing basketball

0:58:25.800 --> 0:58:28.160
<v Speaker 3>out here in La Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, there's probably especially these days, you know, given

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<v Speaker 2>the influence of social media, and I think athletes coming

0:58:35.440 --> 0:58:39.240
<v Speaker 2>up now feel like, you know, their brand is important,

0:58:39.320 --> 0:58:41.760
<v Speaker 2>and a lot of them do want to pivot into entertainment.

0:58:42.640 --> 0:58:44.880
<v Speaker 1>What would be some bits of advice that you.

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<v Speaker 2>Think would be helpful to other athletes who want to

0:58:48.600 --> 0:58:49.960
<v Speaker 2>sort to get into the industry.

0:58:51.400 --> 0:58:53.560
<v Speaker 3>Make the main thing the main thing. I think all

0:58:53.600 --> 0:58:59.600
<v Speaker 3>the entertainment stuff is a distant priority to what your

0:58:59.640 --> 0:59:03.320
<v Speaker 3>career is. Like I was always the you know on

0:59:03.440 --> 0:59:06.560
<v Speaker 3>the bubble. I was always, you know, I could be

0:59:06.640 --> 0:59:08.560
<v Speaker 3>gone next week. So I just felt like I had

0:59:08.600 --> 0:59:13.040
<v Speaker 3>to grind on both sides. And then looking back. Okay,

0:59:13.680 --> 0:59:17.200
<v Speaker 3>most of the guys who have these huge brands, it's

0:59:17.320 --> 0:59:19.680
<v Speaker 3>it's one phone call for them, you know, they don't

0:59:19.720 --> 0:59:22.480
<v Speaker 3>really have to do it. They can call Say, they

0:59:22.480 --> 0:59:25.480
<v Speaker 3>can call Sony, they can call Lionsgate, they can call

0:59:25.920 --> 0:59:28.600
<v Speaker 3>Universal Records. Like it's one phone call for them. But

0:59:28.680 --> 0:59:31.200
<v Speaker 3>your brand has to be that big, and the only

0:59:31.200 --> 0:59:33.000
<v Speaker 3>way you make your brand that big is if you

0:59:33.080 --> 0:59:36.160
<v Speaker 3>perform well on the field. So I think a lot

0:59:36.200 --> 0:59:39.440
<v Speaker 3>of the probably ninety nine percent of the time, is

0:59:39.480 --> 0:59:42.400
<v Speaker 3>the guys who want to do both. But you can't

0:59:42.440 --> 0:59:45.640
<v Speaker 3>do both because you have to be Steph Curry first

0:59:45.960 --> 0:59:47.720
<v Speaker 3>in order to get that deal, or you have to

0:59:47.760 --> 0:59:50.400
<v Speaker 3>be lebron first in order to get those type of

0:59:50.760 --> 0:59:54.040
<v Speaker 3>you know, these companies calling you back and giving you,

0:59:54.040 --> 0:59:56.640
<v Speaker 3>you know, a podcast deal and or you know, a

0:59:56.680 --> 0:59:59.200
<v Speaker 3>three pitcher deal, whatever they may be. And of course

0:59:59.240 --> 1:00:01.760
<v Speaker 3>also when you play well, you get more money, which

1:00:01.800 --> 1:00:05.240
<v Speaker 3>warrants you to be able to invest more or partner with,

1:00:05.720 --> 1:00:08.560
<v Speaker 3>you know, other companies. It's always a beautiful thing if

1:00:08.600 --> 1:00:11.320
<v Speaker 3>you can go to you know, to Sony and say

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<v Speaker 3>I have ten million dollars and I want to do

1:00:13.120 --> 1:00:16.040
<v Speaker 3>these projects and you guys bring ten million. But if

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<v Speaker 3>you're that guy who played three years and you don't

1:00:18.440 --> 1:00:21.000
<v Speaker 3>have money and you want to go to Sony, like, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just coming here with an idea, Like those projects

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<v Speaker 3>are not going to get off the ground at when

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<v Speaker 3>you're talking about the big boys. So like to keep

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<v Speaker 3>the main thing, the main thing, focus on your sport

1:00:30.760 --> 1:00:33.680
<v Speaker 3>because this stuff you have time to do, like build

1:00:33.720 --> 1:00:38.280
<v Speaker 3>the relationships, right, go overboard for helping out that you

1:00:38.320 --> 1:00:40.800
<v Speaker 3>know that exec at all these labels and you know

1:00:41.040 --> 1:00:43.920
<v Speaker 3>studio execs, like, you know, go overboard for him. But

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<v Speaker 3>for the most part, like you don't really know the

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<v Speaker 3>industry enough to say, let's do a project like just

1:00:49.720 --> 1:00:52.240
<v Speaker 3>pump your brakes, go play ball. They're going to respect

1:00:52.280 --> 1:00:54.120
<v Speaker 3>you and playing ball. And then when you get done,

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<v Speaker 3>then come back to them, you know, with with a

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<v Speaker 3>better ideas and a better understanding of what you want

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<v Speaker 3>to do.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, as much as we've talked about entertainment in this

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<v Speaker 2>time that I have you before we wrap up you,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, I mean, this isn't really a pivot because

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<v Speaker 2>you've done this. You know, you've been coaching and at

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<v Speaker 2>the youth level, but now you will be a head

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<v Speaker 2>coach at Huntington Beach High School.

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<v Speaker 3>Look at that, Yeah, buddy, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Mean you have your own film and production company, all

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<v Speaker 2>the things you're doing in entertainment.

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<v Speaker 1>Why become a high school?

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<v Speaker 3>It's the giving back again. I love it. I love

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<v Speaker 3>the mentorship of it. I love this kid's trying to

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<v Speaker 3>figure out the answers to the test. Hey, buddy, I

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<v Speaker 3>have the answers to the test. You know. I really

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<v Speaker 3>feel that there's nothing I haven't seen far from a

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<v Speaker 3>fifteen year old player to a forty year old retired player.

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<v Speaker 3>I have all the stories. If you want to end

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<v Speaker 3>up trying to be the next a Monad Saint Brown,

1:02:01.360 --> 1:02:04.040
<v Speaker 3>and you want to try to be the next Julio Jones,

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<v Speaker 3>Like I have all of their blueprints. I've seen them

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<v Speaker 3>do it from fifteen to twenty five to thirty to

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<v Speaker 3>thirty five. So I like sharing those examples. But most

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<v Speaker 3>of the time the kids are not going to do

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<v Speaker 3>what it takes in order to be that successful because

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<v Speaker 3>it's tough. So I can give you the answers, but

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<v Speaker 3>at the end of the day, most of them can't

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<v Speaker 3>get to that level of dedication and or focus. But

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<v Speaker 3>if they even get halfway there, they're usually going to

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<v Speaker 3>be a successful person. So that's where I find probably

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<v Speaker 3>the most gratitude of Okay, yeah, they're not going to

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<v Speaker 3>all be NFL players, I get that, but there's going

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<v Speaker 3>to be some good kids. They're going to be some

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<v Speaker 3>good adults. They're going to be good parents, good brothers,

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<v Speaker 3>good sons, good other mentors when they're leading others later

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<v Speaker 3>on in life. And I think that's probably the best

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<v Speaker 3>part about high school coaching. Again, I have a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of kids to just call me, you know, hey, I

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<v Speaker 3>just got married last week. I just talked to Matt

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<v Speaker 3>Carral just the other day. He just got married and

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<v Speaker 3>I coach him since he was nine years old, and

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<v Speaker 3>you know it's a match just you know, got cut

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<v Speaker 3>from Carolina and now he's playing in the other league.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know he's went through a lot. Me and

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<v Speaker 3>him went through a lot together. You know, he played

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<v Speaker 3>for me at Long Beach Polly. So it's like those

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<v Speaker 3>stories are those are life changing stores. We're like, this

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<v Speaker 3>is why I do it. And again, you're not going

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<v Speaker 3>to reach everybody. You're still always going to have some

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<v Speaker 3>haters and some kids that don't like you the way

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<v Speaker 3>you do it. But I really believe that what I'm

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<v Speaker 3>giving these kids are the answers and everybody's just not

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<v Speaker 3>going to you know, use take the same test obviously,

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<v Speaker 3>but they can use it in life. It's not really

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<v Speaker 3>about football at the end of the day. These are

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<v Speaker 3>life skills. I think that sports in general is a lifestyle.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think it's just a sport anymore. I think

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<v Speaker 3>if you live your way a certain live your life

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<v Speaker 3>a certain way to be an athlete, it's going to

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<v Speaker 3>give you those habits and those disciplines to be able

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<v Speaker 3>to do anything right. If you're waking up that five

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<v Speaker 3>to go work out because you love ball all setting

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<v Speaker 3>balls over, You're still going to be waking up at five.

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<v Speaker 3>So maybe at this age, at five, you're waking up

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<v Speaker 3>to read a book. And then maybe when you're fifty

1:04:05.320 --> 1:04:08.080
<v Speaker 3>year this age at five in the morning, maybe you're

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<v Speaker 3>walking around the neighborhood. Right. But I think that habit

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<v Speaker 3>started when it was practice, when you're fourteen years old.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think those are the things that are going

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<v Speaker 3>to keep you know, keep a person striving for the next, next,

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<v Speaker 3>next thing. That all starts with football practice, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>in August in ninety degree weather at five in the morning.

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<v Speaker 2>So did you did you ever contemplate or think about

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<v Speaker 2>coaching at the professional level?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I tried. I went everywhere I've in turn, I've

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<v Speaker 3>done it. You did, Yeah, I guess not easy. When

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<v Speaker 3>I got done or when I was really trying to

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<v Speaker 3>get into a Denny Green was out of the league, right,

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<v Speaker 3>So you usually get in with your under your tree

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<v Speaker 3>who coached you, Right, that's your easiest end. I didn't

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<v Speaker 3>go to a big college, so I really didn't have

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<v Speaker 3>a USC in Texas hookups, right, So I was always

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<v Speaker 3>trying to get to a league job. But yeah, my

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<v Speaker 3>whole Denny Green, the Brian Billicks, all that whole tree.

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<v Speaker 3>There are none of them coaching anywhere. So you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not saying I'll never do it. You know, it's

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<v Speaker 3>still possible. I know my coach with an twentio peers

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<v Speaker 3>at Polly, he got the Risk job last year, but

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<v Speaker 3>he didn't get in there long enough to really, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>do his thing. Aaron Glenn just got the Jets job.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I'm gonna hit up a g I like

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<v Speaker 3>your boy, you know, down the line. But but every

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<v Speaker 3>summer I said, I'm going to go to intern I

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<v Speaker 3>go to these uh most of the time, the NFL

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<v Speaker 3>has this, uh the internship for African Americans to go

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<v Speaker 3>ahead and kind of get into coaching, right, But if

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<v Speaker 3>you don't make the internship, then you're just left out

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<v Speaker 3>in the cold. So I'm like, I think about four

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<v Speaker 3>or five years ago, I just started saying, forget it.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want to be in that program. I'll pay

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<v Speaker 3>my own honey, I'll stay in my own place and

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<v Speaker 3>just let me in the building every day for a

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<v Speaker 3>week so I can just learn. And I've been doing

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<v Speaker 3>that and so building relationships and learning that way as well.

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<v Speaker 3>But that helped. That's helped me a lot because I

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<v Speaker 3>just again, you're in the same building, you're learning the

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<v Speaker 3>same stuff, you're getting the same relationships. Yeah, so I

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<v Speaker 3>got I got coaches on every a lot of staff.

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<v Speaker 3>So I just go and kind of learn and sit

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<v Speaker 3>back and try to figure it out. And you said,

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<v Speaker 3>that's what the future holds. That's what the future holds.

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<v Speaker 3>But right now being Huntington Beach, you know, bringing bringing

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<v Speaker 3>hopefully a state championship over the next couple of years

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<v Speaker 3>old and I got some some some twenty Gonzalez is

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<v Speaker 3>alma mater as well, so I'm trying to bring him

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<v Speaker 3>a state ring. But yes, just looking forward to that.

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<v Speaker 3>And then if that's in the future, that's in the future.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, one of my buddies gets the job and

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<v Speaker 3>the NFL they call him, then so be it.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, before we wrap up this podcast, and again I

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate you spending the time ask every guest also what

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<v Speaker 2>I call a messy question. This is where the controversy

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<v Speaker 2>starts at all. Right, so here's the messy question. Randy Moss,

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<v Speaker 2>your teammate, your friend, your boy you you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know you already know about Jerry Rice's legacy.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there all is.

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<v Speaker 1>That's also your the receiver between.

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<v Speaker 3>Lord's Lord, Randy is a Jerry Lord. Can we hit

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<v Speaker 3>Paul on this thing? No, so funny. I've studied the

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<v Speaker 3>game a lot, I've studied the position a lot, and

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<v Speaker 3>I've never ever had a number one number three. I've

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<v Speaker 3>never done it. I've always asked the question, right, I

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<v Speaker 3>always who's your number one? And this is why, and

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<v Speaker 3>blah blah blah. But if you're talking about specifically the

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<v Speaker 3>receiver position, can can play in any system, can have

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<v Speaker 3>any quarterback m hm and get doubled or triple team

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<v Speaker 3>at times and still put up numbers instead of Pro

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<v Speaker 3>Bowl and be all Pro. That would be Randy. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't think you could do that. I think Tea could

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<v Speaker 3>do that. And the reason being, if you look at

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<v Speaker 3>T's touchdowns, this is for everybody to go back invait

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<v Speaker 3>it team, go look at Tho's touchdowns and you'll see

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<v Speaker 3>too running by himself or Steve Farmer guy. Then go

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<v Speaker 3>run by himself his one hundred and fifty three touchdowns,

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<v Speaker 3>which is amazing that they had the same amount of

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<v Speaker 3>touchdowns in their career. That's so awesome to me. And

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<v Speaker 3>if you look at Moss's film, He's always has three

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<v Speaker 3>or four five people in the frame when he catches

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<v Speaker 3>the ball. It was just so much attention that Randy

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<v Speaker 3>had on him. And to still put up those numbers

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<v Speaker 3>was absolutely amazed too. Could he got single covered of

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<v Speaker 3>his one hundred and fifty three touchdowns for one hundred

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<v Speaker 3>and He's gonna disagree with me, but I've counted them all.

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<v Speaker 3>Mass probably was double team over one hundred of his

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<v Speaker 3>touchdown out of one hundred and fifty three. It was

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<v Speaker 3>just different. It was there. And then Jerry to me,

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<v Speaker 3>love Jerry, I just don't. I would put him probably

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<v Speaker 3>a number four. I probably put Larry Fitzgi in front

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<v Speaker 3>of Jay as well. Again, Jerry's got the rings and

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<v Speaker 3>he's got the forty nine ers. That's the take because

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<v Speaker 3>you had everything with you because and I'm not going

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<v Speaker 3>to talk about the quarter the Hall of Fame quarterbacks

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<v Speaker 3>that you had back to back with Tan and Steve Young,

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<v Speaker 3>that's definitely a plus for any receiver. And you had

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<v Speaker 3>a defense that was going out there having a three

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<v Speaker 3>and out offense back on the field, three and out

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<v Speaker 3>offense back on the field. You had so many unities

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<v Speaker 3>to get those numbers and the longevity, of course I love.

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<v Speaker 3>But then Fitz did with a good you know system,

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<v Speaker 3>not on a good team, but his skill set alone

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<v Speaker 3>I think is top notch. That to me has changed

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<v Speaker 3>the NFL's receiver position again. I thought of the ninety

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<v Speaker 3>eight change. In the first time with the big receiver.

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<v Speaker 3>It was Chris was six three, Raindy was six six

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<v Speaker 3>to three. Job was six to four, and we set

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<v Speaker 3>every offensive record at here ever since that year, which

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<v Speaker 3>I want to do it. I can about talk about

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<v Speaker 3>this Jay the You've all seen big receivers right since

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<v Speaker 3>the biggest came. Then now is what big corners? Because

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<v Speaker 3>now the Packers remember the two years later they took

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<v Speaker 3>two or three corners every single draft to fit up

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<v Speaker 3>Randy Moss on the outside. And now as you see

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<v Speaker 3>is six two sixty three corners, which has changed the game.

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<v Speaker 3>And then the second change in the position was Fits

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<v Speaker 3>on the way he was catching the ball because even Harder,

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<v Speaker 3>who we all thought had the best hands ever, he

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<v Speaker 3>would still catch. You know, do the body catch. Mass

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<v Speaker 3>has great hands, still do the body catch. Fits would

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<v Speaker 3>catch everything outside of his body frame right. He would

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<v Speaker 3>reach out and attack the football with his hands, and

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<v Speaker 3>of course that's what you see the receivers do, and

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<v Speaker 3>that's how receivers are coached. Now, everybody always said, well,

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<v Speaker 3>you are done to get to your body, but Jay

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<v Speaker 3>Rice cut everything here, Chris Carter cut everything here. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>they could do this as well, but Larry would catch

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<v Speaker 3>everything outside of his body frame.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm just gonna point out that. Uh, I'm forty

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<v Speaker 2>nine Ers fan, so I'm a little biased. So you

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<v Speaker 2>already know who my number one.

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<v Speaker 1>Receiver is.

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<v Speaker 3>Already.

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<v Speaker 2>Jerry had at forty starting back on Lebrea somewhere, and

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<v Speaker 2>he still had a thousand yards and Joe Montana was

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<v Speaker 2>not his quarterback.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm yeah, okay, okay, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Runner ever ever, but.

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<v Speaker 3>Rounder definitely. But when you're getting double team routes don't matter.

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<v Speaker 3>We're gonna if you have a corner on me and

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<v Speaker 3>a safety over the top, and you're gonna buzz out,

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<v Speaker 3>will Sam he run a round? That's good enough for

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<v Speaker 3>you to catch the ball. I just never see again,

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<v Speaker 3>they never They didn't have those defenses back then, So

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I get, I get, I know the difference obviously,

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<v Speaker 3>but I mean Jerry was great. I think Jerry the

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<v Speaker 3>longevity and the work ethic of what he's done was amazing. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 3>when comes to one person to go against three, you're

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<v Speaker 3>gonna pick Randy over Jerry and t O. Every single time.

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<v Speaker 2>You sound like my husband because he often does that

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<v Speaker 2>part of it. I think he's trolling me.

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<v Speaker 3>But that's okay, you know, but that's okay.

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<v Speaker 2>There's little you know, you know, kind of a wrong

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<v Speaker 2>answer there, Like Randy Moss obviously one of the right

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<v Speaker 2>to ever do it. Anybody picks him, it's not a

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<v Speaker 2>wrong answer you picked, not a wrong answer or right

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<v Speaker 2>well listen that definitely, thank you for giving me this time.

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<v Speaker 2>You know you're a busy head football coach, so I

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate it. Good luck with everything you do there. I

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<v Speaker 2>have no doubt you will bring them a championships, uh

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<v Speaker 2>escape championship. And of course you and I will definitely

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<v Speaker 2>talk about any of the future projects that you might

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<v Speaker 2>have thinking of up the Absolutely we'll have a conversation.

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<v Speaker 3>You already know, say lest no, thanks for I appreciate

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<v Speaker 3>the time, Mama.

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<v Speaker 2>One more segment to go, and you guys know what

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<v Speaker 2>that means. I got questions to answer up next. Your

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<v Speaker 2>viewer slash listener questions and I have plenty of answers

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<v Speaker 2>coming up next on the final segment of Spolatics.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, time to wrap up.

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<v Speaker 2>Things with a question from my politicians new nickname trying

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<v Speaker 2>it Out. This question comes from David Speaker, known as

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<v Speaker 2>d Speaker on Blue Sky. D Speaker asked, how would

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<v Speaker 2>you feel about a politician running on this platform? Eliminating

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<v Speaker 2>political parties, making it illegal for politicians to lie, making

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<v Speaker 2>it illegal for media to lie, establishing an organization that

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<v Speaker 2>only gives factual data to the public about bills and policies, etc.

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<v Speaker 2>Having age term limits for all elected officials.

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<v Speaker 1>I love it. That'd be great.

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<v Speaker 2>Unfortunately, there's fantasy and then there's the cold hard reality.

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<v Speaker 2>Right now, our political systems are entirely too tied to money.

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<v Speaker 2>We have a system where politicians can be bought by

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<v Speaker 2>special interests and corporations. We have a system where the

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<v Speaker 2>wealth of a politician explodes when they become a member

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<v Speaker 2>of Congress. Case in point, Senator Rick Scott out of

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<v Speaker 2>Florida is worth five hundred and forty one million.

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<v Speaker 1>Nancy Pelosi is worth three hundred million.

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<v Speaker 2>The base salary for Senator, by the way, is one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and seventy four thousand a year, and it hasn't

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<v Speaker 2>risen since two thousand and nine.

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<v Speaker 1>And yet there are numerous members of Congress who have.

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<v Speaker 2>A net worth well over one hundred million, much of

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<v Speaker 2>which they gain while in office. When the people who

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<v Speaker 2>are making the laws and control the purse strings have

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<v Speaker 2>that much wealth, it is virtually impossible for them to

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<v Speaker 2>ever operate in the best interests of the people. It happens,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's an anonymaly as it stands. Members of Congress

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<v Speaker 2>can trade stocks, and this is a glaring conflict of interest.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, when Kelly Leffler, with Senator in Georgia in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty, she sold twenty million in stock after briefing

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<v Speaker 2>on COVID. That happened a few weeks before we went

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<v Speaker 2>into lockdown. Wonder what that was about. And she was

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<v Speaker 2>hardly the only one anyway. My point is that politicians

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<v Speaker 2>have every incentive to cheat, live and gain the system

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<v Speaker 2>in their favor. To many of them have prioritized getting

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<v Speaker 2>elected and staying in office rather than actual public service.

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<v Speaker 2>Now you combine these financial motives with the apathy that

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<v Speaker 2>permeates the voters, and what you get is the rotten

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<v Speaker 2>political system that we have today, and the only way

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<v Speaker 2>to change that system is that we have to make

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<v Speaker 2>politicians pay for not.

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<v Speaker 1>Serving the people.

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<v Speaker 2>We can't check in and out every four years for

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<v Speaker 2>the presidential race and ignore what's happening in our cities

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<v Speaker 2>and communities. If we practice holding local politicians accountable and

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<v Speaker 2>elect the leaders, that will trickle up and maybe one

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<v Speaker 2>day we'll see the change we actually deserve.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for your question, d speaker.

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