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Speaker 1: Hey, what's up everybody.

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Speaker 2: I'm Jameel Hill and welcome to politics and I heard

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Speaker 1: Time to get spolitical.

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Speaker 2: NFL free agency is hot and heavy, with teams spending

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Speaker 2: a massive billion dollars in one weekend by signing, resigning,

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Speaker 2: and giving contract extensions to a number of players. Devanta

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Speaker 2: a two year, forty six million dollar deal. Cleveland resigned

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Speaker 2: defensive end Miles Geartt to a record contract extension that

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Speaker 1: Paid nine quarterback in league history.

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Speaker 2: Now correct me if I'm wrong, But wasn't this the

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Speaker 2: same Miles Garrett who requested a trade from the Browns

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Speaker 2: to a contender not too long ago? The Browns threw

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Speaker 2: an average salary of forty million per year at him,

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Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty three point five million in guaranteed

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Speaker 2: money and a no trade clause. And now he's back

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Speaker 2: to being team clete He's rich, He is rich, rich.

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Speaker 3: He got his own money. And baby, when I say

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Speaker 2: Also shout out to Garri's agent, Nicole Lynn at Clutch

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Speaker 2: Sports y'all worked the Browns like it was the third

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Speaker 2: got all of your teeth. But seeing these players enjoy

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Speaker 2: a lot of this possible, former Major League Baseball player

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Speaker 2: Kirk Flood. It's Flood who changed professional sports forever by

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Speaker 2: creating what we all know as free agency. Now, let

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Speaker 2: me give you the backstory on Kirk Flood. He was

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Speaker 4: And the Tigers now made their first threat with two

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Speaker 4: hour basis by cash and heart brings up this Grand Slam.

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Speaker 4: Testing Kim Off from He's had two homers and six runs.

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Speaker 5: About it in.

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Speaker 4: In the series, he had twenty one homers and let

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Speaker 4: And Gibson are not discussing the weather, which is beautiful.

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Speaker 6: Arthur kicks the ball to all fields.

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Speaker 7: Cry ball Flood.

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Speaker 6: Pry almost thought he must touch him, but over his head,

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Speaker 6: who runs are gonna star? The same thing almost happened

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Speaker 5: He started off or something happened to his underputting watches.

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Speaker 5: Now he catches his faccine and he nearly fell downs,

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Speaker 1: In the spring of the following year.

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Speaker 2: Flood wasn't interested and refused to report to Philadelphia. Instead,

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Speaker 1: I believe that any system which produces.

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Speaker 2: That result violates my ba basic rights as a citizen

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Speaker 2: Flood was calling Major League Baseball's reserve clause into question.

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Speaker 2: Under the reserve clause, the only way a player could

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Speaker 2: Players weren't paid what they truly were worth according to

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Speaker 1: They had no market they could explore.

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Speaker 2: Now, the reason Major League Baseball didn't have to compete

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Speaker 3: The problem it's been written, Kurt, that you're a man

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Speaker 5: Well, Howard, a well paid slave is nonetheless a slave.

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Speaker 2: Now, even though it was Cosel that mentioned slavery, you

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Speaker 1: The backlash Flood received.

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Speaker 8: That slave analogy pissed off a lot of people. Kurt

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Speaker 8: The thought that someone like that could be a victim

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Speaker 7: The Civil Rights Actor has been passed, the Voting Rights

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Speaker 2: Now, thankfully this did not discourage Flood. Oh, y'all want

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Speaker 4: Then, it's been a master and slave relationship.

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Speaker 3: As long as you do for I say this, you're fine.

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Speaker 2: As his case worked this way through the legal system,

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Speaker 2: his baseball career suffered. He didn't play it all in

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Speaker 1: And while Kurt Flood.

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Speaker 2: Was managing all of this, not a single major League

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Speaker 2: the reserve clause finally ended in Major League baseball. In

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Speaker 2: how this story goes. Neither Andy Messersmith or Dave McNally

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Speaker 1: But imagine if other.

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Speaker 2: Players had simply stood with Flood when he filed his lawsuit.

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Speaker 2: Either way, Flood gave everybody the blueprint. Here's Oscar Robertson

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Speaker 2: similar fight for NBA players in the nineteen seventies.

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Speaker 3: In basketball, we knew that Kurt Fluy was trying to

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Speaker 9: Three months after Flood had filed his lawsuit in nineteen

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Speaker 2: It took until nineteen ninety three for the NFL to

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Speaker 2: that would not have happened without Kurt Flood. Major League

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Speaker 2: Baseball needs to atone for blackballing a player whose only

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Speaker 1: I'm Jamelle Hill, and I approved this message.

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Speaker 2: Up next on his politics, My guest is a former

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Speaker 2: maximized his gifts and talent at every stop as an athlete,

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Speaker 2: so it's no surprise that he's been able to make

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Speaker 2: an amazing pivot into filmmaking and storytelling. And I can't

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Speaker 2: I'm going to start this podcast by asking you a

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Speaker 2: and that is name an athlete or a moment that

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Speaker 3: Ooh, that's kind of easy. So I remember it like

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Speaker 2: Is we're talking about pathways. Let's let's get deeper into yours. Now.

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Speaker 3: was something, you know, that that had had a fire

440
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:57,840
Speaker 3: in my belly to say, I don't know what this is,

441
00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,359
Speaker 3: but I love everything about it. And from there I

442
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,800
Speaker 3: just started reaching out and trying to figure out what

443
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,679
Speaker 3: to do, what the entertainment business was right, what a

444
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 3: writer was, director, producer, agent, all of those things I

445
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 3: had to figure out because I'm not from this world

446
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,920
Speaker 3: at all, right, live in California, but this whole thing

447
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,240
Speaker 3: of growing up in the Midwest, I had never even

448
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 3: been to California growing up, never been to New York

449
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,399
Speaker 3: growing up, So, you know, planning the league got me

450
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 3: able to see a bunch of different things in my life.

451
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,920
Speaker 3: But when I was living in Cali and I had

452
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,280
Speaker 3: that moment, I'm like, I can do this. But that

453
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,240
Speaker 3: was the moment I just knew I had to do

454
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:34,359
Speaker 3: something entertainment. That's kind of what started it.

455
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:38,520
Speaker 2: Speaking of Will Smith, I saw that you used to

456
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:40,480
Speaker 2: get confused quite a bit for Will Smith.

457
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,159
Speaker 1: Or was it that you used to say you were.

458
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 3: It depends on the ass, you know what. So because

459
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,200
Speaker 3: I started coming out to California because my agent was

460
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 3: Dwayne Martin and him and Tisa Campbell married at the

461
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 3: same time or married at that time, should I say.

462
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,479
Speaker 3: And he was partners with Will, you know, with a

463
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 3: bunch of business ventures and movies and stuff like that.

464
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 3: So I got to hang up with a lot. But

465
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 3: I knew that we kind of looked alike from the

466
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 3: audience perspective of just walking around maybe hat on or whatever.

467
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:18,639
Speaker 3: The demeanor we had it, you know, I think that

468
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 3: was it. But then I started when I'm moving to

469
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 3: LA When I was out there a lot, I'd go

470
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 3: to Vallet and I'd have people come up to me.

471
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 3: But this is just when I'm getting done playing. I'm like, oh,

472
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,880
Speaker 3: they still think I'm Hatch, you know. I'm like, yeah,

473
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,120
Speaker 3: let me and they're looking at me like you got

474
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,200
Speaker 3: Will Smith. I'm like, oh you thought I would Nah, No, No,

475
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,119
Speaker 3: So I got confused here and there, but I just

476
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 3: thought it was me being half a celebrity, if you will,

477
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 3: Like maybe he saw my one touchdown I had in

478
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 3: the league. I don't know. You know, I'm trying to

479
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 3: I'm trying to live it all a little bit longer.

480
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,200
Speaker 3: But I used to get confusing him quite a lot.

481
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,919
Speaker 1: Absolutely, did you ever take advantage of the confusion?

482
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,879
Speaker 3: You know what? I have? Not? I should have. I

483
00:24:58,920 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 3: should have.

484
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 2: There's some good tables at some LA restaurants or you know,

485
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,239
Speaker 2: like you got up into the vip vip because they

486
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 2: thought you was Will Smith.

487
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,399
Speaker 3: I'm not mad, you know, well, you know what's funny.

488
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:17,360
Speaker 3: Maybe I have, but maybe it was the ego at

489
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 3: the time. I got up in there because I'm Hatch,

490
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 3: you know, because LA is funny like that. You can

491
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 3: go to one thing, like one event during sb's or oscars,

492
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,120
Speaker 3: and they were like, you know, hey, come on, yep,

493
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 3: you go home, gone in, and then you go somewhere

494
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,360
Speaker 3: else and you can stand in line for an hour. Yeah,

495
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 3: oh you ain't big enough to get it here, you know.

496
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 3: So I was kind of that struggle of the in

497
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,400
Speaker 3: between times. I don't know if I'm me or him, right,

498
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 3: I don't have a clue, but yeah, it all worked.

499
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 2: So when did you know when it came to your

500
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:49,120
Speaker 2: NFL career? When did you know that you were done,

501
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:50,680
Speaker 2: that this it was over?

502
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 3: It was it. That was. I was playing with Jacksonville

503
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,919
Speaker 3: and I think I've ever told the story. Actually, So

504
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 3: I'm playing with jackson Bill and I had started the

505
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 3: first four games, and.

506
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 2: This was like two thousand and three, I think, right,

507
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:08,879
Speaker 2: I think.

508
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 3: Three or four. So I'm like, okay, yeah, And so

509
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 3: I remember JJ Stokes was a big free agent signing.

510
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,919
Speaker 3: I had went over to Amsterdam and then I played

511
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 3: over there. It's coming off an injured shoulder, and they're like,

512
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 3: you know, well Hatch can't run anymore. Like, well thanks,

513
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:30,959
Speaker 3: So I go to over to Amsterdam plays show them

514
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 3: that I can still run, still play whatever that is.

515
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:35,879
Speaker 3: And I was mad that I was over there. I'm like,

516
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 3: I should not have to be over right, So I

517
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 3: thought I was in a no win situation. If you

518
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 3: go over there and play well, they're gonna say, well,

519
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 3: it's both to do that. I go over there and

520
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 3: play bad. Let's see. I told you he was done.

521
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,120
Speaker 3: So I was like, whenever went over there, played well,

522
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 3: you know, got like the MVP and Ring of van

523
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,119
Speaker 3: Or did all that stuff like I was supposed to

524
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 3: in my opinion, So I come back. I'm not the

525
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 3: highest gun the total poll at the Jacksonville Jaguars at

526
00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,360
Speaker 3: the time, I'm probably, you know, the probably twelfth guy.

527
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 3: I'm the young on the rock on the receiver depth

528
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 3: chart in June when I get there, but I end

529
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 3: up bawling out. In preseason started the first four games,

530
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 3: we're owing four Byron Leffritz is a rookie. Mark Burnell

531
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,880
Speaker 3: was the starter, and we're struggling. But to me, I'm

532
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 3: playing good right, I'm doing my job right. Our bye

533
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 3: week was week's fixed, but Jimmy Smith was suspended, so

534
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 3: me and JJ were both the starter for the first

535
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 3: four weeks. So Jimmy comes back weeks five and six.

536
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 3: They feed Jimmy the ball like he's getting like ten

537
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,159
Speaker 3: targets a game, you know, like six catches like at

538
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 3: both games or something like that. So then our bye

539
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 3: week is the seventh week. So we're sitting at one

540
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 3: in five and I think Jack del Reel is like,

541
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 3: we're gonna make some changes blah blah blah, and so receivers,

542
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 3: you know, we're starting to go over the our stuff

543
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 3: we did for the first six weeks in order to

544
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 3: kind of get ready for the rest of the season.

545
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 3: So we come in have a breakdown. He's like, this

546
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 3: is Jimmy Smith. This is how you do it.

547
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:55,439
Speaker 4: Right.

548
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 3: We're throwing the ball, you know, twenty I think like

549
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 3: eighteen times, and he's got like twelve catches in two games.

550
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 3: I'm like, that's pretty cool, right, good, But he's getting

551
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 3: the ball more thrown too. And then so I was like,

552
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 3: they didn't say nothing about me. Of course, I'm just

553
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 3: going to watch it. So after everybody leaves, I come in.

554
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 3: I'm gonna look at my own stats. I never just

555
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 3: did that. I never looked at myself like that. It

556
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 3: was always, you know, team first, and I was looking

557
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 3: at the stats. I'm like, after six weeks, I'm leading

558
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 3: this team in every receiving category, right, receive receptions, yards,

559
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,640
Speaker 3: and touchdowns, and so like, well, that's not good enough.

560
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,120
Speaker 3: Maybe it's about percentage of wins. So I go look

561
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 3: at how many times I've been targeted and I have catches.

562
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 3: So I think I've been targeted like twenty eight times

563
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 3: but had like twenty two catches, which would also be

564
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 3: the number one percentage on the team, and after that,

565
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 3: I didn't dress another game that season. So at that point,

566
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 3: I was kind of like I'd done all I could do.

567
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 3: I think I've just it's not working out for me.

568
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,959
Speaker 3: This is not what I imagine of a starting receiver

569
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 3: to be in the NFL, Like I thought you were

570
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 3: just once you play well, you start for the rest

571
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 3: of you know whatever. But it wasn't like, oh, I'm

572
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 3: met at the politics. I've just thought that inside. I

573
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 3: started four games, that was the best I could do.

574
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 3: I think this is it. I thought that was my ceiling. Unfortunately,

575
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 3: I thought that was my ceiling. Yes, I wanted Pro

576
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 3: Bowls and Super Bowls and one hundred million dollar contracts,

577
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 3: but I was like, maybe that's just not for me,

578
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 3: and maybe there's something else out there for me. And

579
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 3: at that moment, I will start to trending say I

580
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 3: think I've done all I could do in the NFL.

581
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 3: It was great, but I'm not going to ever have

582
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 3: those opportunities to really be at number one in this league,

583
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 3: and therefore I'm probably just going to start changing my

584
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 3: direction in life. And that's when I retired the following.

585
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 2: Now I have to say, I've been covering sports now

586
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 2: for you know, almost thirty years. Honestly, I've never heard

587
00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 2: I've never heard a retirement story that way. Usually I've

588
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 2: never heard that type of retirement store typically is injury,

589
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 2: especially in the NFL, as you know, body gets bet up.

590
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 2: But it sounds like you had the self awareness to

591
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 2: realize that I have reached my ceiling. Since this is

592
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 2: my ceiling, what am I still doing this for?

593
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 3: Right?

594
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 1: Yeah?

595
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 2: So how you know, as you come to terms with that,

596
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 2: what did you imagine or think about what your life

597
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 2: outside of the NFL would look.

598
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 3: Like at the time? What did I imagine it? Like?

599
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, because you're I mean, at least by the way,

600
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 2: I mean, I just granted I have your bio and

601
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 2: all that, and it's you know, your last year on

602
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 2: year in Jacksonville, you were twenty nine, So like you're

603
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 2: twenty nine, thirty years old. Most people don't think about

604
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 2: I'm retired at thirty, you know what I'm saying. So

605
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 2: it's like you're retired at thirty, So like, what are

606
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 2: you thinking your life is supposed to look like?

607
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 3: Now? In a bad way, I thought it would be

608
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 3: vacation golf, hanging out, partying when I want to. That's

609
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 3: what I thought NFL retirement was in my eyes. I

610
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 3: learned that that's not who I am, it's not what

611
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 3: I want, it's not what successful people do. So I'm

612
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 3: mad that I imagine it that way. But that was

613
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 3: only probably because the perception I had of all the

614
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 3: things I've seen on media and what I've heard from

615
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 3: other teammate, whatever that stuff was, that was my picture.

616
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 3: But I'm that would have made me absolutely miserable. There's

617
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 3: no sitting around because I remember my agent said, why

618
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 3: don't you go to Hawaiian and figure out your life?

619
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 3: I'm like, no, not an option, like just stay in

620
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 3: Hawaii for a month and a half and do nothing

621
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 3: Like that's just a miserable time to me. So that's

622
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 3: when I like said going into the entertainment industry, it

623
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 3: took my focus because I didn't know nothing. So I

624
00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 3: had to lose myself for eighteen hour days of reading

625
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 3: scripts and figuring out, you know, how to shoot a

626
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 3: doc or how to shoot this movie, and going to

627
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 3: acting class and going to directing class. All of those

628
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 3: things I got. I had to forget about ball and

629
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 3: that's why it helped me and golf myself into the

630
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 3: transitioning because I didn't want to be the guy on vacation.

631
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 3: I didn't want to be the guy golfing every day. Now,

632
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,479
Speaker 3: people love golfing and people love that I get it,

633
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 3: But to me, that's just not what if I'm looking

634
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 3: at now, being older and knowing what this life is about.

635
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 3: If I'm looking at the top hundred billionaires in the world,

636
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 3: they can make one hundred million, five hundred, they still

637
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 3: wake up the next day and they go get it.

638
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 4: Right.

639
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 3: When Kobe got done winning a championship, Let's go get

640
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 3: another championship. When Jordan got done, you know, winning a

641
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 3: champ Let's go get another championship. So I didn't think

642
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 3: about it like I've made it, Like, no, this is

643
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 3: letting me go get another the ring I never had, Right,

644
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 3: let me go get another ring, but in a different genre,

645
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 3: right in a different lane. That's why I looked at it.

646
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 3: But I definitely my perception of what it would look

647
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 3: like did not match who I was as a person.

648
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 3: So I'm kind of glad that I figured that out

649
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 3: really quickly and I got to englf myself into something else.

650
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 2: So were you are you the type of person and

651
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 2: was this part of your DNA As a competitor, will

652
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 2: you think more about the losses than the winds?

653
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 3: Absolutely? Don't even think about the winds. It's funny now,

654
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 3: it's like, you know, coaching and mentoring kids, just like

655
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 3: failure is part of success, you know, it's not the

656
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 3: opposite of it. People want to always, well, I don't fail,

657
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 3: I don't lose. Well don't you don't learn neither. And

658
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 3: I just remember Warren Buffett made a statement, you know,

659
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 3: they were talking to him about what projects do you

660
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 3: invest in when they're your friends you get you know,

661
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 3: you got hundreds of friends and they are coming to

662
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 3: you with thousands of ideas. Who do you invest in?

663
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 3: And Warren Buffett said, I've only invested in my friends

664
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 3: who have failed at their business three times. And that

665
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 3: was amazing to me because you know, get you've got,

666
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 3: you got money, You've been pitched all this stuff and

667
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 3: the first thing they say this is guaranteed. That's the

668
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 3: last thing I want to hear about an investment, right

669
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,439
Speaker 3: or you know, because you don't know everything, so you're

670
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 3: gonna fail. But the worst part about somebody being non

671
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 3: self aware is it's okay to fail. It's okay to

672
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 3: tell people, YEF, I messed this up, and shoot, I

673
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,399
Speaker 3: thought it was this and I did this, but it

674
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 3: wasn't it. But I'm going to get back up on

675
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 3: my horse and go for another ride. That's where the

676
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 3: character comes in. That's where the determination comes in. And

677
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 3: I think that's what molds the person to become successful,

678
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 3: not the person saying I never lose and I always

679
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 3: win like that's this of it, because it's not reality

680
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:47,760
Speaker 3: and it's not happening.

681
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 2: So with that being said, you were part of that

682
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 2: fifteen to one Minnesota team that lost of the Falcons

683
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 2: and the NFC Championship. Yeah in overtime, Yes, you forget

684
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 2: that g went to overtime. Yeah, you play with Randy Moss,

685
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 2: with Chris Carter, Randall Cunningham.

686
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: How long or how much did that last stay with you?

687
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 3: Still to this day? I always think would it be

688
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 3: different if we personally think that team we would have ran.

689
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 3: We would have definitely ran it back one the following

690
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 3: year and we were on our way to a dynasty, right.

691
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 3: But I think the locker room part of our team

692
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 3: was the reason we did not win that game. I

693
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 3: think we fell apart as a team as a group watching,

694
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 3: of course, what the Patriots have done in this last

695
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 3: you know, twenty years. It's more about the team concept

696
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 3: and the Wii and not k me concept. And I

697
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,320
Speaker 3: just think some of those things that were happening in

698
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,839
Speaker 3: our locker room, not to the media, but I think

699
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 3: that hurt us in the long run of trying to

700
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 3: win that game even and again, it just it. I

701
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 3: think we still win that game nine out of ten times,

702
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,359
Speaker 3: but it's hard to get to the Super Bowl, hard

703
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,240
Speaker 3: to win the Super Bowl, it's hard to have a championship.

704
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 3: So like that part of it doesn't bother me, But

705
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 3: it's just being there and being so close. And don't

706
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 3: forget in that fourth quarter, with like six minutes left,

707
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 3: I got a touchdown that put us up by ten points.

708
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 3: So it's not like we were just losing the game

709
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 3: all game, like we were up winning And I remember

710
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 3: after catching that touchdown, we're on the sideline, were talking

711
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 3: about our plans to Miami like it's over, like we're

712
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 3: up by ten and it's hey, y'all, you know we're

713
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 3: doing that whole thing and get ready to go to

714
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 3: Miami for the Bowl. Because it's over, we're up by

715
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 3: ten and we're going to get the ball back. But again,

716
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:40,760
Speaker 3: it just did not work out like that unfortunately. Again

717
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 3: talking about curses for franchises and people's bad luck, all

718
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 3: of those things, it's irrelevant of the conversation. But you know,

719
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 3: you just don't know until you really have a win tol,

720
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 3: you really have the money in the bank, because I

721
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 3: like to say so, it's like you have to really

722
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 3: just be in that moment every single time when you're

723
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 3: in that moment, and take advantage of the opportunity. And

724
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 3: I try to tell a lot of these kids now

725
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,760
Speaker 3: are younger players playing in the league, You're only great

726
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 3: if you can be great when the time comes up

727
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 3: and you're great, right the game winning shot. You got

728
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 3: to make it, you know, a couple of times, but

729
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 3: you got to make it. You can't, well, I'm great,

730
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 3: I'm great, and then you shrink in big games or

731
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 3: you know, you shrinking. So I've always played my best

732
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 3: in playoff games throughout my career. So I was just like,

733
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:33,919
Speaker 3: you know what, this game, we were supposed to be there.

734
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 3: I don't know if it would change my life, but

735
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 3: we were definitely supposed to be in the Super Bowl.

736
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 2: That year, Atlanta went on, they played the Broncos, they

737
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:41,320
Speaker 2: got smoked by the Broncos.

738
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:42,919
Speaker 1: And the Super Bowl. Do you think you all would

739
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: have beat the Broncos?

740
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 3: Not even close. We would have beaten them by thirty,

741
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 3: not even close, because again we were we would we

742
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 3: would have put eight in the box, right, we would

743
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 3: have put eight in the box. But we were we

744
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 3: were just so explosive. And again, people see no huddle

745
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:01,320
Speaker 3: nowadays and they see, you know, a team that scored

746
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,919
Speaker 3: thirty and we were doing this with like chunks down

747
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 3: the field. We would do it forty yard you know

748
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 3: plays and spend thirty yard plays and twenty yard players

749
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 3: we're doing We're so explosive from every position on the field.

750
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 3: Tight end Andrew Glover, running back Robert Smith, we have

751
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,439
Speaker 3: Moss Carter, me Jake Reid was you know, we had

752
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 3: players that were going to make plays. Our defense was

753
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 3: making big plays, pick sixes and stuff like that. So

754
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 3: it's not like when we were going to score and

755
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 3: it was going to kind of like kind of figure

756
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 3: our way out through the first quarter that against Denver,

757
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 3: we would have probably went up and went twenty one,

758
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 3: twenty eight in the first half for sure, and they

759
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 3: didn't have the deep, they didn't have the horses to

760
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:43,359
Speaker 3: mess with us on the offensive side. They just didn't Yeah, sorry, sorry, yeah,

761
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 3: I mean.

762
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 1: To refresh people.

763
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,479
Speaker 2: So that Denver team, you know, as obviously as lway

764
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 2: Asterreal Davis, Shannon Shark, McCaffrey, Yeah, mccaffree senior.

765
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 3: Year, Yeah, senior right right, And.

766
00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 2: Yes, mccaffree senior is on that team. And they were

767
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 2: considered explosive in their own right. But I know these

768
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 2: days people are used to like aerial attack just being

769
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,760
Speaker 2: a regular part of the game, people throwing all the time.

770
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 2: But that Minnesota team was just deadly, like it was

771
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:12,720
Speaker 2: one of my favorite teams to play with in Madden.

772
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:15,800
Speaker 1: I was like, Hatch, I used.

773
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:20,280
Speaker 3: TOPSe Yeah already you know they have me in the slot,

774
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 3: they have me in mad remember the outside guys with

775
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 3: just yes, correct you.

776
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 2: That's why you were made a weapon because everybody so

777
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 2: like but I.

778
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 1: Would be abusive.

779
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 3: So you use me better than any of my offensive

780
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 3: coordinators at the time, So you know, thank you.

781
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: Yes, of course.

782
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:44,800
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's a lot more I definitely want to

783
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 2: ask you about as we continue to talk about your pivots, entertainment,

784
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 2: some of the projects you're doing, and uh, you know,

785
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 2: also a couple more football things. But we're going to

786
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 2: take a quick break and we'll be right back with

787
00:39:55,360 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 2: more with Matthew had Ye. All right, we were we

788
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 2: were talking about that fifteen and one Minnesota team before

789
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 2: the break. You know, you had the you had the

790
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 2: front row seat. He was your quarterback, Randall Cunningham. And

791
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 2: for these kids today who did not understand who round

792
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 2: Randall Cunningham was, especially at that time.

793
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:27,399
Speaker 1: Look, he was more than just a dude that did

794
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 1: a guest appearance on.

795
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 3: Market, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, right, he had yeah right right.

796
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, more too up to that that dude was.

797
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 2: He's one of the most incredible athletes that ever has

798
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:40,280
Speaker 2: played that position.

799
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 1: Just incredible quarterbacks and players period.

800
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 2: Yes, But what did Randall Cunningham do And this is

801
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 2: mostly for those the audience that did not wasn't able

802
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 2: to really see him play.

803
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 1: What do you think he did for the perception of

804
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 1: black quarterbacks?

805
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 3: Oh well, he changed it tremendously because he was one

806
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 3: of the guys to African American guys who could throw

807
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 3: it and run it. Right, we always want the l

808
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 3: way of course could do both as well, right, but

809
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 3: he was still in the cookie cutter box of the position.

810
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 3: Cunningham was so far out of the box, right. His

811
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:19,800
Speaker 3: body type, he was lanky. You know, he's going to

812
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 3: get hurt because you know, he's just too skinny, you know,

813
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:25,280
Speaker 3: all of those things. So the running around that Randall

814
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 3: did it was just amazing because don't forget, he was

815
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 3: like a probably a four to four guy, you know.

816
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 3: I mean he wasn't Michael Vick's four two, but at

817
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 3: that position a guy run in a four to four.

818
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 3: He was running away from backers and jumping over people,

819
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 3: and his you know, his body would get bent a

820
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 3: certain way and you know, look like rubber Man, you know,

821
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 3: uh throw, you know when he gets tackled, and then

822
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 3: the next play he's throwing a forty yard bomb. So

823
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 3: I think this his his image of being a quarterback

824
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 3: at that time in the league, where there was nobody

825
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 3: doing that. That's what change the perception. That's what changed

826
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 3: offensive coordinators' mindsets of Oh, we can run my system

827
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:12,959
Speaker 3: with him and still win the game doing it my way,

828
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 3: because most of the time they see a black quarterback, Oh,

829
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 3: I have to change my system now you don't. You

830
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 3: can call this. You would call the plays for Joe Montana,

831
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 3: John Elway and Troy Aikman. But by the way, he

832
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 3: might just go ahead and run this play on third

833
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,399
Speaker 3: down and go get you ten or forty. You don't

834
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 3: even know. But I think now, looking back, as I'm

835
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 3: a play caller, now I look at it as that's

836
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 3: the best weapon to have because from an offensive perspective,

837
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,359
Speaker 3: you get to play eleven on eleven. Most of the time,

838
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 3: you're playing ten on eleven because the quarterback's unaccounted for

839
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:45,439
Speaker 3: because you know where he's going to be and he's

840
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 3: not gonna run it, he's gonna throw it, or he's

841
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 3: going to hand it off. But when you're playing eleven

842
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 3: on eleven, all those numbers have changed from safety in

843
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 3: the box, linebacker in the box, and or having a spy.

844
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 3: And of course that's what you see now in twenty

845
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 3: twenty five is you're playing eleven on eleven every single time.

846
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 3: That's why you have the advantage of an offensive coordinator.

847
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 2: And to me, the most he had a lot of

848
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 2: impressive statistics. The most impressive stat he ever had to

849
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 2: me was he's the only player in history to complete

850
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 2: a fifty yard pass and this is all in the

851
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 2: same game. A fifty yard touchdown pass, to run for

852
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 2: over or to have an over fifty yards in a

853
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:25,879
Speaker 2: touchdown run, and.

854
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 1: Two punts for over yards in the same game.

855
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 2: He threw a fifty yard pass or it was a

856
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,320
Speaker 2: fifty yard pass he threw he ran for over fifty

857
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 2: like he had a fifty had a long run.

858
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 1: I forgot how many yards it was, and he punted

859
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 1: ninety yards.

860
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 3: Yes, that's one zone in zone one. Yeah, yeah, he wanted.

861
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 1: I was like, no, man like that.

862
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 3: People people always like want to stay look at stuff

863
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 3: like that. Well, but he kicked it. I'm like, but

864
00:43:56,000 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 3: this is somebody who's not a kick He's just an athlete, right,

865
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. But like people, it's okay,

866
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 3: CEOs or vice presidents of people out there at some company,

867
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 3: go and do three other jobs today at your job,

868
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 3: and you'll see how hard it is to do three

869
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 3: people's job in one day. Like, it's not an easy task.

870
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:17,760
Speaker 3: And don't forget he's also doing this against the best

871
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 3: athletes in the world and making it look easy. Yeah,

872
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 3: he was just a freakish athlete.

873
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: Absolutely, as you mentioned it was.

874
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 2: It used to be just kind of an accepted reality

875
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 2: that when it was black quarterbacks. You know, a lot

876
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 2: of black quarterbacks had their careers kind of ruined because

877
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 2: they got with offensive coordinators or head coaches who understand

878
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 2: their skill set right and how to maximize that, or

879
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 2: just kept trying to sort of force a square peg

880
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 2: into a round hole. How much was Randall Cunningham helped

881
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 2: by the fact that Denny Green was his coach.

882
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 3: Oh night and day. If he could have probably went

883
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,359
Speaker 3: somewhere else because don't forget, remember he had retired and

884
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 3: he came out of retirement. If he would have went

885
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 3: to another team, I don't think or he could might

886
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 3: not have had the best career at the Press season

887
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:07,399
Speaker 3: ever because that was his best season as a pro

888
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 3: and he was balling in Philly. But him for him,

889
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:12,879
Speaker 3: he won NFL MVP that year. But it was all

890
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 3: to me, which best coach I ever had was Denny Green,

891
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 3: because it wasn't about say do it my way, Let

892
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 3: me find out what he does well, use him for that,

893
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 3: and then of course put the pieces around him to

894
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 3: help him facilitate and be successful in this system. So

895
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 3: for Dinny to see that early, not overwhelm him with

896
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 3: you have to do it the way our system is.

897
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,359
Speaker 3: Overwhelm him. You have to do it with the way

898
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 3: our Brad Johnson was doing it, because don't forget Brad

899
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 3: started Week one, I think, but all of our concerns

900
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 3: going into Week one was Brad can't reach Moss on

901
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 3: the go ball. Like he had a good arm, but

902
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 3: he wasn't throwing those sixty yard rockets like Randa was.

903
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 3: So even though we had a successful game versus Tampa

904
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:03,240
Speaker 3: week one, the offense wasn't opening up until Randall played

905
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 3: in that offense because we know now Moss can stretch

906
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:09,359
Speaker 3: the field and people are like, well every quarterback can

907
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 3: throw it down there, Like, no, you can't them balls

908
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 3: was down there. They were down the field and Mass

909
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 3: was out running these guys, and that makes a huge

910
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 3: difference for Dinny Green to even see that, understand that.

911
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 3: But when we see it, I think it was the

912
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 3: first time we seen I think Mass. I think the

913
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 3: Bengals game it was like one of those I swear

914
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 3: the balls in the air for at these seventy seventy

915
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,800
Speaker 3: five yards and you saw a bomb back in the

916
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 3: day was caught the go ball right. Bomb was caught

917
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 3: at forty and five right, so it was forty yards

918
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 3: down the field, five yards to the sideline. So everybody

919
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 3: practiced that. Quarterbacks one, two th four, five, forty and

920
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 3: five and receivers we run twenty, look up at ten right,

921
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 3: forty and five. Ball is going to be there. When

922
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 3: Mass came to the league, he had the mass rule

923
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 3: and it was fifty and five because he was so

924
00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 3: much further down the field when the ball rise in,

925
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:03,359
Speaker 3: Corners and safeties were not getting to that spot and

926
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 3: Randon was the only one that was able to reach

927
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 3: him on a five and a hitch to throw that ball.

928
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:10,959
Speaker 3: So again, he changed his whole perception, changed the game.

929
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:15,240
Speaker 3: And I kind of like Danny Green, and I think

930
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 3: Brian Billick did a great job. And I don't see

931
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 3: a lot of that nowadays because I think personally there's

932
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 3: more coordinators and or coaches that ruin quarterbacks than make

933
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 3: a quarterback. And I think one of the best coaches

934
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:31,359
Speaker 3: out there that's really not getting enough I guess enough,

935
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 3: not excitement, but enough whatever, something good credit there you go.

936
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 3: Credit get enough. Credit is Todd Mounkin for what he's

937
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 3: doing with Lamar Jackson, Like, I think he's done a

938
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 3: great job of, okay, using what Lamar does. Still this system,

939
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 3: use these pieces. I think there's a lot of systems

940
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 3: and coaches that would not do as well with Lamar Jackson.

941
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 3: And we know Lamar is Lamar. I feel like he's

942
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 3: an NFL MVP. But you put them in another system

943
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 3: and there'll be a bunch of people screaming, well, he

944
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 3: can't do this and he can't do that. Well, that's

945
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 3: the coach's fault. And I just don't think that's talked

946
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 3: enough right now. Like again, that marriage up there in

947
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:13,879
Speaker 3: Baltimore's great, and that reminds me of what Danny Green

948
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 3: did with the random Cunningham.

949
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 1: So in practice, did you ever try to race Randy Moss?

950
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 3: You know what? This is how we raced because we

951
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 3: raced every game. So in back in the day when

952
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 3: the TV copy you could barely see the edge of

953
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 3: the receivers where the receivers would stand, right. So every play,

954
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 3: if we're running a run play, like our goal was

955
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 3: who would get to the ten yard mark first? I

956
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 3: mean I was a four to three coming out, so

957
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 3: I'm not no slouts, you know what I'm saying? But

958
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,319
Speaker 3: to me, I could I ran a four to three

959
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 3: for four quarters, like I didn't get tired. I never

960
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 3: got tired. So by that like third and fourth quarter,

961
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 3: I think I was beating Moss on a couple of

962
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 3: times to that ten yard mark here and there. But

963
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 3: I could definitely come off the ball. What I my

964
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 3: time overall was that a four to two like Moss. No,

965
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 3: but I could probably beat him one out of ten

966
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:09,280
Speaker 3: times because he go get tired.

967
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 2: Sure you know, I'm sure you've seen because he announced

968
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 2: it himself that he's back in cancer.

969
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:18,760
Speaker 1: Have you talked to Randy?

970
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I hit him up. I say, just you know,

971
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:23,800
Speaker 3: just praying for you, because we've been been in contact,

972
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 3: you know, through our retirement and he was always coming

973
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 3: out here to La for Fox, and he was on Fox,

974
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 3: you know, hooping every day, you know, just trying to

975
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:35,399
Speaker 3: stay young, stay healthy or not every day. But when

976
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 3: he was out here, like every Saturday, we used to

977
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 3: hoop whatever. But it was you know, good times then.

978
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 3: And now that we're both on this side of you know,

979
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 3: of our age, you know that when that hit, I

980
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,359
Speaker 3: was like, yeah, it's real, you know, but I told him,

981
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 3: you know, I tell him all the time. I'm praying

982
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 3: for you, you know, getting stay healthy, get healthy, stay healthy,

983
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 3: watch what you eat. All those conversations we have now

984
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 3: compared to you know, what we had, you know, twenty

985
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:02,319
Speaker 3: years ago. Crazy because again that was my roommate when

986
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 3: he got to the Vikings and we were pretty close

987
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 3: that whole time I was there. And now, you know,

988
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:12,399
Speaker 3: to see this shoot twenty eight, twenty eight years later,

989
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 3: twenty seven years later, it's crazy. But you know, he's

990
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:18,319
Speaker 3: you know, had a great success. To me, I've been

991
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 3: very successful after a playing as well, doing media, what

992
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 3: people didn't really think he would ever do because he

993
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 3: couldn't stand the media proposedly. But yeah know, but then

994
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:32,280
Speaker 3: he gets on there and everybody loves him. I'm happy

995
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 3: for him. Like I said, I don't think he revamped

996
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 3: his his image if you will, but I just think

997
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 3: that's who he is. Just nobody saw it because he

998
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:43,879
Speaker 3: just didn't want to be seen, you know, like people

999
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 3: didn't see him all the time. They did me hear

1000
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 3: him in interviews when he finally came out, they're like,

1001
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:50,319
Speaker 3: that's Randy Molson. Yeah, that's ryand the most that's how

1002
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:53,839
Speaker 3: we talked, you know. So it's their first time because

1003
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 3: he didn't do a lot of that stuff when he

1004
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:58,840
Speaker 3: was playing. He just didn't want to. But I personally

1005
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 3: think he did it the right way. And I remember

1006
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:06,840
Speaker 3: because everybody wants to get on him because he didn't

1007
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 3: do what they wanted him to do, especially the media.

1008
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 3: I want you to do interviews now. I want you

1009
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 3: to do interviews at Super Bowl. I want you to

1010
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 3: do them when you win. And Randy I'm doing I

1011
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 3: want to do it. And I just remember Tom Brady.

1012
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:22,839
Speaker 3: They asked Tom Brady after Patrick Mahomes won his first

1013
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,319
Speaker 3: Super Bowl, you know he won no second super Bowl.

1014
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 3: He's so young, he's going to catch your record and

1015
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 3: you know all these he's going to end up with

1016
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 3: more rings than you, Like, how do you feel about that?

1017
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 3: And I remember Brady saying, if Patrick Mahomes wants to

1018
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 3: catch me, he's going to have to change his life.

1019
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 3: And I was like, I thought, I'm like interesting, because

1020
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 3: Brady knows you have to disappear, right Patrick pretty much.

1021
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 3: I mean he does some things here and there, but

1022
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:51,399
Speaker 3: in the public eye, when you're the guy, you got

1023
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 3: to disappear. Mass had disappeared. They just didn't like that.

1024
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 3: It was mass and he disappeared. They wanted more of him.

1025
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 3: Most didn't give you that, but if you think about it,

1026
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 3: Brady didn't give you that neither. Right, Patrick doesn't give

1027
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 3: you that neither. A couple of commercials here and there,

1028
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 3: but those guys aren't always available. You know, you're going

1029
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:10,840
Speaker 3: to do your interviews now because the NFL has this

1030
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 3: contract with you know, these TV stations, all that stuff,

1031
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 3: But really, in the limelight and your lifestyle, you really

1032
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 3: have to disappear to be one of these best players

1033
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 3: in sports history.

1034
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 2: You know, Like you mentioned Randy pivoting the media, it

1035
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 2: was it was kind of funny and also surprising, but

1036
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:32,760
Speaker 2: you know, I mean he I never imagine Nick Saby

1037
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 2: would be in that either because he also didn't like

1038
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 2: the media. But yeah, sometimes those are guys that give

1039
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 2: you the most valuable insight. But with that being said,

1040
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 2: you have, you know, you know a lot of retired players,

1041
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 2: and you yourself have obviously been in that position. Why

1042
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 2: does it seem like so many professional athletes, particularly football players,

1043
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 2: seem to struggle once they.

1044
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 3: Retire mentality, the mindset. I made it to the league.

1045
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 3: They forget that it took him to ten years twelve years.

1046
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 3: Fifteen years because they started playing football at nine, they

1047
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 3: got drafted at twenty three. They started playing football at five,

1048
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:10,800
Speaker 3: they got drafted at twenty one. That's fifteen years or something.

1049
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 3: You don't just get out of the NFL and say

1050
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 3: I'm good at this over here. It don't work like that.

1051
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:18,359
Speaker 3: Most of the time we're like, well, since we made

1052
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 3: it to the NFL, I'm warranted a shortcut to have

1053
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 3: success in something else. No, that ain't it. We think that,

1054
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 3: we hope that, but you're going to have to go

1055
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 3: through a period of time or you're going to struggle,

1056
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 3: you're going to fail, you're gonna be misunderstood all for

1057
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 3: another lane that you don't want to feel that way

1058
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 3: because now you you've been a superstar for so long,

1059
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 3: you don't know how it is to go back to

1060
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 3: get it from the mud. So that's the biggest thing.

1061
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 3: I think that mindset of the world owes me something,

1062
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 3: or you know, I played in the league, so you

1063
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 3: guys are supposed to give me this deal like all

1064
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 3: those things. It just doesn't happen because you're still going

1065
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 3: up against the other one percent center that has been

1066
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 3: been in the business for fifteen years, and I think

1067
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 3: if they understand that, they're like, you know what, let

1068
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:08,360
Speaker 3: me just go back to work. It might take some time,

1069
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 3: but you do instill the qualities inside you that you

1070
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 3: can still go do anything that you want. It's going

1071
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 3: to take some time. It's going to take some grip.

1072
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 2: It sounds like once you decided that you wanted to

1073
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:23,919
Speaker 2: get into entertainment, then you started learning the components of entertainment. Okay,

1074
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 2: this is what the director does. You know you went

1075
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 2: on an educational fact finding mission.

1076
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 1: Did you have a oh, this is.

1077
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 2: How they do things entertainment moment, like a you know

1078
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:34,800
Speaker 2: how they say the welcome to the NFL moment?

1079
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:37,360
Speaker 1: Like did you have a welcome to Hollywood? At the

1080
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:38,319
Speaker 1: moment where you're like.

1081
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 10: Oh, this, I don't know if it's a welcome to

1082
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 10: Hollywood story, but I'll tell you a funny story that it's.

1083
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 3: It was a humbling experience, I'll put it that way. So,

1084
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 3: because when I was playing, and when I first probably

1085
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:01,240
Speaker 3: the first five years I got out, I was really

1086
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 3: on the scene, going all to the movie sets and

1087
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 3: video shoots and all this stuff, right because I'm meeting people,

1088
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:09,359
Speaker 3: and it was easy for me to get on because

1089
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:11,759
Speaker 3: I guess I still had the NFL tag behind me.

1090
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:17,319
Speaker 3: So will you know Will's movies, Handcock and all that.

1091
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 3: We would always go to the trailers and you know,

1092
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:21,879
Speaker 3: hang out, we go, shoot the scene, come out, come back.

1093
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 3: We're playing Domino's and Space till the next scene. You know,

1094
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 3: they got two hours. I gotta you know, re you know,

1095
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:31,360
Speaker 3: do the lighting or whatever. So I forget what movie

1096
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 3: it was. I think it was might have been seven pounds,

1097
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 3: but so you know me, well, y'all shooting now, you

1098
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 3: know whatever? Oh y'all be downtown, okay, on it, get

1099
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:45,279
Speaker 3: over there? Hey, what's up to seeing everybody? So I said,

1100
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:47,839
Speaker 3: what's up to everybody? And then like I was there

1101
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:50,879
Speaker 3: for like maybe five minutes, Like thirty seconds later, dude

1102
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 3: was like, uh, you gotta go, Like what you mean,

1103
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 3: I gotta go? Yeah, you you can't be over here.

1104
00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 3: I'm like the first time I ever got kicked off

1105
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 3: a set, and I was that's my this is how

1106
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:05,840
Speaker 3: they do it in Hollywood moment. Not in a bad way,

1107
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:11,320
Speaker 3: but I'm just like, yeah, I have to become bigger

1108
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:14,239
Speaker 3: in this business or I need to have more of

1109
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:17,400
Speaker 3: a of a footprint in this business. But that was

1110
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,880
Speaker 3: the most humbling experience I've ever had in my life.

1111
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, if all y'all you know, I didn't

1112
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:26,240
Speaker 3: want to be here. I don't want to be here anyway,

1113
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:29,319
Speaker 3: you know, one of those. But I remember they kicked

1114
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 3: me off set, and that was the first time I

1115
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:34,879
Speaker 3: wasn't mad. I was just like, you know what, let

1116
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 3: me go. It was. It was the kid that when

1117
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 3: the adults were playing basketball and you were too small

1118
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 3: and like, no, he can't play yet. That's how I

1119
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:45,440
Speaker 3: took that. Let me go work on some projects, let

1120
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:47,239
Speaker 3: me go get my let me go get better at

1121
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 3: what I do, so y'all go see me later. That's

1122
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:50,800
Speaker 3: how I felt. But I remember that was probably the

1123
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:54,359
Speaker 3: most humbling experience in the entertainment industry so far.

1124
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 1: So what did you feel like?

1125
00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:01,400
Speaker 2: Was a break or maybe we could have been more

1126
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:05,319
Speaker 2: than one that really got you sort of in the

1127
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:08,400
Speaker 2: right circle of influence and that you needed to be

1128
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 2: in Hollywood.

1129
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 3: Yeah. The funny thing is I mean, is it a break,

1130
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 3: was it timing or is it both? But I remember

1131
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 3: how I met my business partner Brad Furman, right, big

1132
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 3: studio director. Now we did the movie to take together.

1133
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 3: But how we met was just playing basketball and my

1134
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 3: buddy Braxon Polp producer. You know, he's like, we're Gonnavite,

1135
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 3: Brad and me and Brad just vibe like we were

1136
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 3: like cool, let's go do a project together. He's a director,

1137
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 3: I was when I was financial movies. We just had

1138
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 3: the same energy, the same go get it mentality, mentality,

1139
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 3: the same we don't know what we're doing yet, but

1140
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 3: we go figure it out, you know, mindset, and we

1141
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 3: end up doing our first project together, you know, one

1142
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 3: awards for it was up for an Independent Spirit Awards.

1143
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 3: It was a great project for us. And of course

1144
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 3: since then he's been doing these huge movies, you know,

1145
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 3: with some of the biggest names in the business. You know.

1146
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 3: But after we did the take, I thought that going back,

1147
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, how did we meet Brad? Yeah,

1148
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 3: we were playing basketball. It was so weird to me,

1149
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 3: like it was was it a break or was it timing?

1150
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 3: I have no idea, but me and Brad Furman, we've

1151
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 3: been too good friends for I guess fifteen going on

1152
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 3: twenty plus years now, and we just met playing basketball

1153
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 3: out here in La Oh.

1154
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 2: You know, there's probably especially these days, you know, given

1155
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 2: the influence of social media, and I think athletes coming

1156
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 2: up now feel like, you know, their brand is important,

1157
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 2: and a lot of them do want to pivot into entertainment.

1158
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 1: What would be some bits of advice that you.

1159
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 2: Think would be helpful to other athletes who want to

1160
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 2: sort to get into the industry.

1161
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 3: Make the main thing the main thing. I think all

1162
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 3: the entertainment stuff is a distant priority to what your

1163
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 3: career is. Like I was always the you know on

1164
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 3: the bubble. I was always, you know, I could be

1165
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 3: gone next week. So I just felt like I had

1166
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:13,040
Speaker 3: to grind on both sides. And then looking back. Okay,

1167
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 3: most of the guys who have these huge brands, it's

1168
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 3: it's one phone call for them, you know, they don't

1169
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 3: really have to do it. They can call Say, they

1170
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:25,480
Speaker 3: can call Sony, they can call Lionsgate, they can call

1171
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 3: Universal Records. Like it's one phone call for them. But

1172
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:31,200
Speaker 3: your brand has to be that big, and the only

1173
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 3: way you make your brand that big is if you

1174
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 3: perform well on the field. So I think a lot

1175
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:39,440
Speaker 3: of the probably ninety nine percent of the time, is

1176
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 3: the guys who want to do both. But you can't

1177
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 3: do both because you have to be Steph Curry first

1178
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 3: in order to get that deal, or you have to

1179
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 3: be lebron first in order to get those type of

1180
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 3: you know, these companies calling you back and giving you,

1181
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 3: you know, a podcast deal and or you know, a

1182
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 3: three pitcher deal, whatever they may be. And of course

1183
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 3: also when you play well, you get more money, which

1184
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 3: warrants you to be able to invest more or partner with,

1185
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 3: you know, other companies. It's always a beautiful thing if

1186
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:11,320
Speaker 3: you can go to you know, to Sony and say

1187
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 3: I have ten million dollars and I want to do

1188
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:16,040
Speaker 3: these projects and you guys bring ten million. But if

1189
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:18,439
Speaker 3: you're that guy who played three years and you don't

1190
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 3: have money and you want to go to Sony, like, hey,

1191
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:24,000
Speaker 3: I'm just coming here with an idea, Like those projects

1192
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 3: are not going to get off the ground at when

1193
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 3: you're talking about the big boys. So like to keep

1194
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:30,640
Speaker 3: the main thing, the main thing, focus on your sport

1195
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 3: because this stuff you have time to do, like build

1196
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 3: the relationships, right, go overboard for helping out that you

1197
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 3: know that exec at all these labels and you know

1198
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 3: studio execs, like, you know, go overboard for him. But

1199
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 3: for the most part, like you don't really know the

1200
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:49,680
Speaker 3: industry enough to say, let's do a project like just

1201
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:52,240
Speaker 3: pump your brakes, go play ball. They're going to respect

1202
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:54,120
Speaker 3: you and playing ball. And then when you get done,

1203
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 3: then come back to them, you know, with with a

1204
01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:58,960
Speaker 3: better ideas and a better understanding of what you want

1205
01:00:59,000 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 3: to do.

1206
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:02,440
Speaker 2: Now, as much as we've talked about entertainment in this

1207
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:05,520
Speaker 2: time that I have you before we wrap up you,

1208
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 2: of course, I mean, this isn't really a pivot because

1209
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 2: you've done this. You know, you've been coaching and at

1210
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:16,439
Speaker 2: the youth level, but now you will be a head

1211
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:19,080
Speaker 2: coach at Huntington Beach High School.

1212
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:23,920
Speaker 3: Look at that, Yeah, buddy, I.

1213
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:27,040
Speaker 2: Mean you have your own film and production company, all

1214
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:28,520
Speaker 2: the things you're doing in entertainment.

1215
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 1: Why become a high school?

1216
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:36,240
Speaker 3: It's the giving back again. I love it. I love

1217
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 3: the mentorship of it. I love this kid's trying to

1218
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:44,360
Speaker 3: figure out the answers to the test. Hey, buddy, I

1219
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 3: have the answers to the test. You know. I really

1220
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 3: feel that there's nothing I haven't seen far from a

1221
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 3: fifteen year old player to a forty year old retired player.

1222
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 3: I have all the stories. If you want to end

1223
01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:01,320
Speaker 3: up trying to be the next a Monad Saint Brown,

1224
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:04,040
Speaker 3: and you want to try to be the next Julio Jones,

1225
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:06,280
Speaker 3: Like I have all of their blueprints. I've seen them

1226
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:08,440
Speaker 3: do it from fifteen to twenty five to thirty to

1227
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:15,400
Speaker 3: thirty five. So I like sharing those examples. But most

1228
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:17,160
Speaker 3: of the time the kids are not going to do

1229
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:19,800
Speaker 3: what it takes in order to be that successful because

1230
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:22,200
Speaker 3: it's tough. So I can give you the answers, but

1231
01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:23,840
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, most of them can't

1232
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:28,360
Speaker 3: get to that level of dedication and or focus. But

1233
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 3: if they even get halfway there, they're usually going to

1234
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:34,479
Speaker 3: be a successful person. So that's where I find probably

1235
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:37,440
Speaker 3: the most gratitude of Okay, yeah, they're not going to

1236
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:39,680
Speaker 3: all be NFL players, I get that, but there's going

1237
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:41,720
Speaker 3: to be some good kids. They're going to be some

1238
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:43,920
Speaker 3: good adults. They're going to be good parents, good brothers,

1239
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 3: good sons, good other mentors when they're leading others later

1240
01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 3: on in life. And I think that's probably the best

1241
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:52,560
Speaker 3: part about high school coaching. Again, I have a lot

1242
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:54,920
Speaker 3: of kids to just call me, you know, hey, I

1243
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:56,800
Speaker 3: just got married last week. I just talked to Matt

1244
01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 3: Carral just the other day. He just got married and

1245
01:02:59,880 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 3: I coach him since he was nine years old, and

1246
01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:05,040
Speaker 3: you know it's a match just you know, got cut

1247
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:07,400
Speaker 3: from Carolina and now he's playing in the other league.

1248
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:09,240
Speaker 3: But you know he's went through a lot. Me and

1249
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:11,439
Speaker 3: him went through a lot together. You know, he played

1250
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:14,200
Speaker 3: for me at Long Beach Polly. So it's like those

1251
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:17,320
Speaker 3: stories are those are life changing stores. We're like, this

1252
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:18,920
Speaker 3: is why I do it. And again, you're not going

1253
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:20,880
Speaker 3: to reach everybody. You're still always going to have some

1254
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:22,880
Speaker 3: haters and some kids that don't like you the way

1255
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:25,760
Speaker 3: you do it. But I really believe that what I'm

1256
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:29,520
Speaker 3: giving these kids are the answers and everybody's just not

1257
01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:32,480
Speaker 3: going to you know, use take the same test obviously,

1258
01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:34,600
Speaker 3: but they can use it in life. It's not really

1259
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:36,640
Speaker 3: about football at the end of the day. These are

1260
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:41,160
Speaker 3: life skills. I think that sports in general is a lifestyle.

1261
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:43,760
Speaker 3: I don't think it's just a sport anymore. I think

1262
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:47,080
Speaker 3: if you live your way a certain live your life

1263
01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:50,040
Speaker 3: a certain way to be an athlete, it's going to

1264
01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:53,120
Speaker 3: give you those habits and those disciplines to be able

1265
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:55,200
Speaker 3: to do anything right. If you're waking up that five

1266
01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 3: to go work out because you love ball all setting

1267
01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:00,520
Speaker 3: balls over, You're still going to be waking up at five.

1268
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:02,800
Speaker 3: So maybe at this age, at five, you're waking up

1269
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:05,240
Speaker 3: to read a book. And then maybe when you're fifty

1270
01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:08,080
Speaker 3: year this age at five in the morning, maybe you're

1271
01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:11,080
Speaker 3: walking around the neighborhood. Right. But I think that habit

1272
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:14,160
Speaker 3: started when it was practice, when you're fourteen years old.

1273
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:15,640
Speaker 3: And I think those are the things that are going

1274
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:19,640
Speaker 3: to keep you know, keep a person striving for the next, next,

1275
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:23,160
Speaker 3: next thing. That all starts with football practice, you know,

1276
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:26,720
Speaker 3: in August in ninety degree weather at five in the morning.

1277
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:30,800
Speaker 2: So did you did you ever contemplate or think about

1278
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:32,920
Speaker 2: coaching at the professional level?

1279
01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:37,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I tried. I went everywhere I've in turn, I've

1280
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:41,280
Speaker 3: done it. You did, Yeah, I guess not easy. When

1281
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:43,600
Speaker 3: I got done or when I was really trying to

1282
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:46,200
Speaker 3: get into a Denny Green was out of the league, right,

1283
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:48,000
Speaker 3: So you usually get in with your under your tree

1284
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:50,840
Speaker 3: who coached you, Right, that's your easiest end. I didn't

1285
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:52,920
Speaker 3: go to a big college, so I really didn't have

1286
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:55,520
Speaker 3: a USC in Texas hookups, right, So I was always

1287
01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 3: trying to get to a league job. But yeah, my

1288
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:02,240
Speaker 3: whole Denny Green, the Brian Billicks, all that whole tree.

1289
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Speaker 3: There are none of them coaching anywhere. So you know,

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying I'll never do it. You know, it's

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Speaker 3: still possible. I know my coach with an twentio peers

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Speaker 3: at Polly, he got the Risk job last year, but

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Speaker 3: he didn't get in there long enough to really, you know,

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Speaker 3: do his thing. Aaron Glenn just got the Jets job.

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm gonna hit up a g I like

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Speaker 3: your boy, you know, down the line. But but every

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Speaker 3: summer I said, I'm going to go to intern I

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Speaker 3: go to these uh most of the time, the NFL

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Speaker 3: has this, uh the internship for African Americans to go

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Speaker 3: ahead and kind of get into coaching, right, But if

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Speaker 3: you don't make the internship, then you're just left out

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Speaker 3: in the cold. So I'm like, I think about four

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Speaker 3: or five years ago, I just started saying, forget it.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to be in that program. I'll pay

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Speaker 3: my own honey, I'll stay in my own place and

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Speaker 3: just let me in the building every day for a

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Speaker 3: week so I can just learn. And I've been doing

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Speaker 3: that and so building relationships and learning that way as well.

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Speaker 3: But that helped. That's helped me a lot because I

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Speaker 3: just again, you're in the same building, you're learning the

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Speaker 3: same stuff, you're getting the same relationships. Yeah, so I

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Speaker 3: got I got coaches on every a lot of staff.

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Speaker 3: So I just go and kind of learn and sit

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Speaker 3: back and try to figure it out. And you said,

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Speaker 3: that's what the future holds. That's what the future holds.

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Speaker 3: But right now being Huntington Beach, you know, bringing bringing

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Speaker 3: hopefully a state championship over the next couple of years

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Speaker 3: old and I got some some some twenty Gonzalez is

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Speaker 3: alma mater as well, so I'm trying to bring him

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Speaker 3: a state ring. But yes, just looking forward to that.

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Speaker 3: And then if that's in the future, that's in the future.

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Speaker 3: You know, one of my buddies gets the job and

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Speaker 3: the NFL they call him, then so be it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, before we wrap up this podcast, and again I

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Speaker 2: appreciate you spending the time ask every guest also what

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Speaker 2: I call a messy question. This is where the controversy

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Speaker 2: starts at all. Right, so here's the messy question. Randy Moss,

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Speaker 2: your teammate, your friend, your boy you you.

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Speaker 1: Know you already know about Jerry Rice's legacy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there all is.

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Speaker 1: That's also your the receiver between.

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Speaker 3: Lord's Lord, Randy is a Jerry Lord. Can we hit

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Speaker 3: Paul on this thing? No, so funny. I've studied the

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Speaker 3: game a lot, I've studied the position a lot, and

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Speaker 3: I've never ever had a number one number three. I've

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Speaker 3: never done it. I've always asked the question, right, I

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Speaker 3: always who's your number one? And this is why, and

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Speaker 3: blah blah blah. But if you're talking about specifically the

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Speaker 3: receiver position, can can play in any system, can have

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Speaker 3: any quarterback m hm and get doubled or triple team

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Speaker 3: at times and still put up numbers instead of Pro

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Speaker 3: Bowl and be all Pro. That would be Randy. I

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01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:02,960
Speaker 3: don't think you could do that. I think Tea could

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Speaker 3: do that. And the reason being, if you look at

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Speaker 3: T's touchdowns, this is for everybody to go back invait

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Speaker 3: it team, go look at Tho's touchdowns and you'll see

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01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:17,720
Speaker 3: too running by himself or Steve Farmer guy. Then go

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Speaker 3: run by himself his one hundred and fifty three touchdowns,

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Speaker 3: which is amazing that they had the same amount of

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Speaker 3: touchdowns in their career. That's so awesome to me. And

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Speaker 3: if you look at Moss's film, He's always has three

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01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:33,240
Speaker 3: or four five people in the frame when he catches

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01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:36,799
Speaker 3: the ball. It was just so much attention that Randy

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Speaker 3: had on him. And to still put up those numbers

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01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:44,360
Speaker 3: was absolutely amazed too. Could he got single covered of

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Speaker 3: his one hundred and fifty three touchdowns for one hundred

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Speaker 3: and He's gonna disagree with me, but I've counted them all.

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Speaker 3: Mass probably was double team over one hundred of his

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Speaker 3: touchdown out of one hundred and fifty three. It was

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Speaker 3: just different. It was there. And then Jerry to me,

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Speaker 3: love Jerry, I just don't. I would put him probably

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Speaker 3: a number four. I probably put Larry Fitzgi in front

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Speaker 3: of Jay as well. Again, Jerry's got the rings and

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Speaker 3: he's got the forty nine ers. That's the take because

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Speaker 3: you had everything with you because and I'm not going

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Speaker 3: to talk about the quarter the Hall of Fame quarterbacks

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Speaker 3: that you had back to back with Tan and Steve Young,

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Speaker 3: that's definitely a plus for any receiver. And you had

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Speaker 3: a defense that was going out there having a three

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Speaker 3: and out offense back on the field, three and out

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Speaker 3: offense back on the field. You had so many unities

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Speaker 3: to get those numbers and the longevity, of course I love.

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Speaker 3: But then Fitz did with a good you know system,

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Speaker 3: not on a good team, but his skill set alone

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Speaker 3: I think is top notch. That to me has changed

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Speaker 3: the NFL's receiver position again. I thought of the ninety

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Speaker 3: eight change. In the first time with the big receiver.

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Speaker 3: It was Chris was six three, Raindy was six six

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Speaker 3: to three. Job was six to four, and we set

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Speaker 3: every offensive record at here ever since that year, which

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01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:07,479
Speaker 3: I want to do it. I can about talk about

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Speaker 3: this Jay the You've all seen big receivers right since

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01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:16,400
Speaker 3: the biggest came. Then now is what big corners? Because

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01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:19,080
Speaker 3: now the Packers remember the two years later they took

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01:10:19,160 --> 01:10:22,160
Speaker 3: two or three corners every single draft to fit up

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Speaker 3: Randy Moss on the outside. And now as you see

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01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:27,599
Speaker 3: is six two sixty three corners, which has changed the game.

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Speaker 3: And then the second change in the position was Fits

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01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:33,200
Speaker 3: on the way he was catching the ball because even Harder,

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01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:35,640
Speaker 3: who we all thought had the best hands ever, he

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01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:38,360
Speaker 3: would still catch. You know, do the body catch. Mass

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01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:41,519
Speaker 3: has great hands, still do the body catch. Fits would

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01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:44,559
Speaker 3: catch everything outside of his body frame right. He would

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01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:47,720
Speaker 3: reach out and attack the football with his hands, and

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01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:49,559
Speaker 3: of course that's what you see the receivers do, and

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01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:52,360
Speaker 3: that's how receivers are coached. Now, everybody always said, well,

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Speaker 3: you are done to get to your body, but Jay

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01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:58,080
Speaker 3: Rice cut everything here, Chris Carter cut everything here. Yes,

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Speaker 3: they could do this as well, but Larry would catch

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Speaker 3: everything outside of his body frame.

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Speaker 2: So I'm just gonna point out that. Uh, I'm forty

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01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:08,560
Speaker 2: nine Ers fan, so I'm a little biased. So you

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01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:09,719
Speaker 2: already know who my number one.

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01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:10,599
Speaker 1: Receiver is.

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01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:12,400
Speaker 3: Already.

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01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:17,640
Speaker 2: Jerry had at forty starting back on Lebrea somewhere, and

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01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:20,800
Speaker 2: he still had a thousand yards and Joe Montana was

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01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:21,559
Speaker 2: not his quarterback.

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01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:27,120
Speaker 3: I'm yeah, okay, okay, yeah.

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01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:28,800
Speaker 1: Runner ever ever, but.

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01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:36,320
Speaker 3: Rounder definitely. But when you're getting double team routes don't matter.

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01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:39,280
Speaker 3: We're gonna if you have a corner on me and

1413
01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:41,360
Speaker 3: a safety over the top, and you're gonna buzz out,

1414
01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:44,040
Speaker 3: will Sam he run a round? That's good enough for

1415
01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:47,000
Speaker 3: you to catch the ball. I just never see again,

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01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:49,160
Speaker 3: they never They didn't have those defenses back then, So

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01:11:49,400 --> 01:11:51,519
Speaker 3: you know, I get, I get, I know the difference obviously,

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01:11:52,120 --> 01:11:54,760
Speaker 3: but I mean Jerry was great. I think Jerry the

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01:11:54,840 --> 01:11:59,200
Speaker 3: longevity and the work ethic of what he's done was amazing. Obviously,

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01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:05,360
Speaker 3: when comes to one person to go against three, you're

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Speaker 3: gonna pick Randy over Jerry and t O. Every single time.

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Speaker 2: You sound like my husband because he often does that

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01:12:10,479 --> 01:12:12,040
Speaker 2: part of it. I think he's trolling me.

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01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:14,880
Speaker 3: But that's okay, you know, but that's okay.

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01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:18,320
Speaker 2: There's little you know, you know, kind of a wrong

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01:12:18,360 --> 01:12:20,960
Speaker 2: answer there, Like Randy Moss obviously one of the right

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01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:23,080
Speaker 2: to ever do it. Anybody picks him, it's not a

1428
01:12:23,080 --> 01:12:25,880
Speaker 2: wrong answer you picked, not a wrong answer or right

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01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:31,639
Speaker 2: well listen that definitely, thank you for giving me this time.

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01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:34,360
Speaker 2: You know you're a busy head football coach, so I

1431
01:12:34,360 --> 01:12:37,280
Speaker 2: appreciate it. Good luck with everything you do there. I

1432
01:12:37,320 --> 01:12:40,040
Speaker 2: have no doubt you will bring them a championships, uh

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01:12:41,200 --> 01:12:44,280
Speaker 2: escape championship. And of course you and I will definitely

1434
01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:46,599
Speaker 2: talk about any of the future projects that you might

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01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:50,120
Speaker 2: have thinking of up the Absolutely we'll have a conversation.

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01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:54,440
Speaker 3: You already know, say lest no, thanks for I appreciate

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01:12:54,479 --> 01:12:55,160
Speaker 3: the time, Mama.

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Speaker 2: One more segment to go, and you guys know what

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01:12:58,360 --> 01:13:02,479
Speaker 2: that means. I got questions to answer up next. Your

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01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:07,439
Speaker 2: viewer slash listener questions and I have plenty of answers

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01:13:07,479 --> 01:13:10,960
Speaker 2: coming up next on the final segment of Spolatics.

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Speaker 1: All right, time to wrap up.

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Speaker 2: Things with a question from my politicians new nickname trying

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Speaker 2: it Out. This question comes from David Speaker, known as

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Speaker 2: d Speaker on Blue Sky. D Speaker asked, how would

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01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:34,680
Speaker 2: you feel about a politician running on this platform? Eliminating

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01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:38,320
Speaker 2: political parties, making it illegal for politicians to lie, making

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01:13:38,320 --> 01:13:41,880
Speaker 2: it illegal for media to lie, establishing an organization that

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01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:45,960
Speaker 2: only gives factual data to the public about bills and policies, etc.

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01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:49,040
Speaker 2: Having age term limits for all elected officials.

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01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:50,800
Speaker 1: I love it. That'd be great.

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01:13:51,160 --> 01:13:55,320
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, there's fantasy and then there's the cold hard reality.

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01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:58,800
Speaker 2: Right now, our political systems are entirely too tied to money.

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01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:01,200
Speaker 2: We have a system where politicians can be bought by

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01:14:01,200 --> 01:14:04,400
Speaker 2: special interests and corporations. We have a system where the

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01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:07,759
Speaker 2: wealth of a politician explodes when they become a member

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01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:10,280
Speaker 2: of Congress. Case in point, Senator Rick Scott out of

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01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:12,240
Speaker 2: Florida is worth five hundred and forty one million.

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01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:14,439
Speaker 1: Nancy Pelosi is worth three hundred million.

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01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:16,599
Speaker 2: The base salary for Senator, by the way, is one

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01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:18,519
Speaker 2: hundred and seventy four thousand a year, and it hasn't

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01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:20,000
Speaker 2: risen since two thousand and nine.

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Speaker 1: And yet there are numerous members of Congress who have.

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Speaker 2: A net worth well over one hundred million, much of

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01:14:25,280 --> 01:14:27,760
Speaker 2: which they gain while in office. When the people who

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01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:30,040
Speaker 2: are making the laws and control the purse strings have

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01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:33,240
Speaker 2: that much wealth, it is virtually impossible for them to

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01:14:33,320 --> 01:14:36,639
Speaker 2: ever operate in the best interests of the people. It happens,

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01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:39,479
Speaker 2: but it's an anonymaly as it stands. Members of Congress

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01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:42,719
Speaker 2: can trade stocks, and this is a glaring conflict of interest.

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01:14:42,880 --> 01:14:44,960
Speaker 2: I mean, when Kelly Leffler, with Senator in Georgia in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty, she sold twenty million in stock after briefing

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01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:50,080
Speaker 2: on COVID. That happened a few weeks before we went

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01:14:50,080 --> 01:14:52,840
Speaker 2: into lockdown. Wonder what that was about. And she was

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01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:56,400
Speaker 2: hardly the only one anyway. My point is that politicians

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01:14:56,439 --> 01:14:59,080
Speaker 2: have every incentive to cheat, live and gain the system

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01:14:59,160 --> 01:15:02,120
Speaker 2: in their favor. To many of them have prioritized getting

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01:15:02,120 --> 01:15:05,719
Speaker 2: elected and staying in office rather than actual public service.

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01:15:06,160 --> 01:15:09,400
Speaker 2: Now you combine these financial motives with the apathy that

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01:15:09,439 --> 01:15:12,240
Speaker 2: permeates the voters, and what you get is the rotten

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01:15:12,280 --> 01:15:15,920
Speaker 2: political system that we have today, and the only way

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01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:18,120
Speaker 2: to change that system is that we have to make

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01:15:18,160 --> 01:15:19,400
Speaker 2: politicians pay for not.

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01:15:19,320 --> 01:15:20,040
Speaker 1: Serving the people.

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01:15:20,080 --> 01:15:22,200
Speaker 2: We can't check in and out every four years for

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01:15:22,240 --> 01:15:24,920
Speaker 2: the presidential race and ignore what's happening in our cities

1487
01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:29,360
Speaker 2: and communities. If we practice holding local politicians accountable and

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01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:32,680
Speaker 2: elect the leaders, that will trickle up and maybe one

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01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:35,240
Speaker 2: day we'll see the change we actually deserve.

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01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:38,080
Speaker 1: Thank you for your question, d speaker.

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01:15:38,479 --> 01:15:40,000
Speaker 2: Now, if you have a question for me, you can

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01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:42,240
Speaker 2: hit me up on social media or email. I'm at

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01:15:42,280 --> 01:15:46,559
Speaker 2: Jamail Hill. Across all social media platforms Twitter, Instagram, fan Base,

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01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:51,000
Speaker 2: Blue Sky, and threads, please use the hashtags politics. You

1495
01:15:51,040 --> 01:15:54,240
Speaker 2: also have the option of emailing me at Politics twenty

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01:15:54,240 --> 01:15:56,920
Speaker 2: twenty four at gmail dot com. You can also send

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01:15:56,920 --> 01:15:59,720
Speaker 2: me a video of your question, but please make sure

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01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:01,479
Speaker 2: it's thirty seconds or less.

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01:16:01,560 --> 01:16:03,240
Speaker 1: Send me a video. I don't know what happened y'all

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Speaker 1: were sending them and then you stop.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, don't forget to follow and subscribe to his politics

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Speaker 2: on iHeart and follow spolitics pod on Instagram and TikTok.

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Speaker 2: Politics is spelled s po l I tics. A new

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Speaker 2: episode of Spolitics drops every Thursday on iHeart podcast or

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Speaker 2: wherever you get your podcasts. This is politics, where sports

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Speaker 2: and politics don't.

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Speaker 1: Just mix, they matter.

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Speaker 2: Politics is the production of iHeart Podcasts and the Unbothered Network.

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Speaker 2: I'm your host Jamel Hill. Executive producer is Taylor Chakoigne.

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Speaker 2: Lucas Hymen is head of Audio and executive producer. Original

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Speaker 2: music for Spolitics provided by Kyle Visz from wiz Fx.