WEBVTT - S3 Episode 10: Taking The Leap

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<v Speaker 1>Drafted is a production of tree Fort Media, Clutch Sports Group,

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<v Speaker 1>and I Heart Radio. I always wanted to hit someone

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<v Speaker 1>else rather than someone smacked me or something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>beIN tackled is definitely not fun. Welcome back to Drafted.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Steven Johnson and this is the tenth and final

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<v Speaker 1>episode of season three. The two thousand twenty one NFL

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<v Speaker 1>Draft has officially begun, and linebacker Hammoca Rashi Jr. Is

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<v Speaker 1>watching the first round at home in Chandler, Arizona with

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<v Speaker 1>his family. I'm like, raston, I'm like, I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna running. I'm running. I got I'm gonna write

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<v Speaker 1>like what happen was supposed to be to run and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not. That's what I feel like. It's my first

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<v Speaker 1>time since Still, So I haven't been since Still. Hammocka's mom,

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<v Speaker 1>Misha McLamore, has been busy preparing for the draft party,

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<v Speaker 1>so busy in fact, that this is the first when

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<v Speaker 1>she sat down and thought about what this all means.

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<v Speaker 1>This is when all those sacrifices the family made come

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<v Speaker 1>rushing back, from checking in with Hammoca's tutors and coaches

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<v Speaker 1>throughout high school to driving twenty two hours straight to

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<v Speaker 1>get him back to Oregon in time for practice, to

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<v Speaker 1>keeping his spirits up during all those difficult days in college.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't even explabe y'all, which I said, it's like

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<v Speaker 1>having a baby. For the ones who have babies, knowing

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<v Speaker 1>that feels like referenced to it, referenced to it when

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<v Speaker 1>you have that. I feel like that right now because

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<v Speaker 1>out about experience. I can't explain it went down, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's grace. Watching the thirty two first round picks can

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<v Speaker 1>be stressful for any prospect in their family, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>especially tough for a guy like Hamaca, who genuinely could

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<v Speaker 1>be selected at any point anywhere in the draft. He's

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<v Speaker 1>as big a wild card as anyone due to the

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<v Speaker 1>up and down nature of his college career. So when

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<v Speaker 1>the first round ends without him a getting a call,

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<v Speaker 1>he goes upstairs disappointed. Here's one of his younger brothers

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<v Speaker 1>talking about the end of the first day of the draft.

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<v Speaker 1>The first day, I'm lookay didn't get jackted. He took

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<v Speaker 1>off his his little andset or might d and he

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<v Speaker 1>went upstairs. So I was like, I wanted to say

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<v Speaker 1>something about was like, I don't want to say anything

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<v Speaker 1>because it's kind of crazy. His little brother was probably

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<v Speaker 1>right to avoid him at that moment. Kimaa explains how

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<v Speaker 1>he was feeling first day. You know, I'm just waiting,

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<v Speaker 1>just thinking, like waiting to see if my coma is

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be called. Now, I watched um a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people and I'm pretty much my agents and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just telling me like we need as much as

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<v Speaker 1>my ships to go on first day, then you're then

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<v Speaker 1>you're coming. So I'm just thinking, uh, that's unless some

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<v Speaker 1>more people come off. But you know, they're telling me

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<v Speaker 1>it's waiting to other people, um get off the board.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, why can't they just call me? You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's pretty easier just to call me round than wait

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<v Speaker 1>for other people to get picked off the board. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just thinking, like talk to the Ravens all day every day,

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<v Speaker 1>the draft day in the corner everyone, and I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>like hopefully, like just call me, just call me. At

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<v Speaker 1>that point, I'm just pissed and that I end up.

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<v Speaker 1>I just took my mic off and I went upstairs

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<v Speaker 1>and I was hot. I was just mad. Camico will

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<v Speaker 1>have the whole night to stew until rounds two and

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<v Speaker 1>three begin in the morning, and that's exactly what happens.

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<v Speaker 1>He and his family continue trying to make sense of

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<v Speaker 1>why he hasn't been taken yet as they make breakfast

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<v Speaker 1>and wait for day two of the draft to begin.

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<v Speaker 1>I was hot. I was watching it. They called somebody

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<v Speaker 1>else names. I'm over there like, okay, there's got to

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<v Speaker 1>be another position. I see the same position, then IM,

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<v Speaker 1>that's good, all right, Now I'm gonna do this. I'm like, look,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, oh hell no, buy and I'm your stressed

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<v Speaker 1>out and I already know took that mic off. I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, every person were talking to you, like your

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<v Speaker 1>first round. Guy? Did you sit here and get a

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<v Speaker 1>guy that has nothing nothing close to what I'd be. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But at the end of the day, you're gonna go

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<v Speaker 1>where you're supposed to go. God play for you, has

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<v Speaker 1>a purpose for you. He's not going to deliver your

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<v Speaker 1>mail at somebody else's house, so where your mail supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to come to, it will make it to your add

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<v Speaker 1>just Camica is mom. Misha gives him yet another pep talk,

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<v Speaker 1>just like she did when he started at a new

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<v Speaker 1>high school his senior year and when he didn't get

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<v Speaker 1>to play during those first few seasons at Oregon State,

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<v Speaker 1>and even when he got COVID during the past season.

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<v Speaker 1>Throughout it all, she always believed he'd get his chance.

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<v Speaker 1>The only question is when in the mountains of Big Bear, California,

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<v Speaker 1>cornerback cam By them watches the start of the second

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<v Speaker 1>round with his friends and family at the rented lakehouse.

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<v Speaker 1>Right now will be a great time for somebody Frank

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<v Speaker 1>calling me. I can't even lie. Please don't, I actually don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be sick. Come on, call my phone, somebody, somebody

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<v Speaker 1>called my phone. I will be dying all practice. You

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<v Speaker 1>tell me, tell me if you want me. Despite the

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<v Speaker 1>obvious mental strain of waiting for a chance at fulfilling

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<v Speaker 1>his hopes and dreams, Cam is actually joking around to

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<v Speaker 1>keep the mood light, and that's because he's always like this,

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<v Speaker 1>he explains, So like football. A lot of people see

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<v Speaker 1>it as like super serious and hard and all that,

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<v Speaker 1>But I go out in the field having fun. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like it's everything I do. Actually, like a movie like

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<v Speaker 1>this is like super fun. I shouldn't be playing football

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<v Speaker 1>for a living, or I shouldn't be be able to

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<v Speaker 1>I should be scared to jump out of a plane

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<v Speaker 1>and do three backroops out of a plane and Scott,

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<v Speaker 1>I've jumping off cliffs in the waters. That stuff you're

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<v Speaker 1>seeing movies and crazy stuff that's like super fun that

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people be scared to do. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>that's my whole. Everything I do, I try and make

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<v Speaker 1>it fun. I should be scared of doing all that.

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<v Speaker 1>But the fact that I'm not, like, yeah, this is

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<v Speaker 1>a movie, It's like, this doesn't happen. This isn't regular.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's my that's my little catch phrase. Do it

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<v Speaker 1>for the movie. He lives as if all the reality

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<v Speaker 1>is a movie, one that happens to star Cam, buy them.

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<v Speaker 1>I got fine. Corn is off the board. We're good, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>happy with it. Obviously, the more corners that go earlier,

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<v Speaker 1>the more chances I go early. But overall, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>tripping where I go. So I'm just happy and blessed

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<v Speaker 1>to be here. So it's gonna be a movie. Produces.

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<v Speaker 1>As they continue watching the draft broadcast, Cam roots for

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<v Speaker 1>the highest ranked cornerbacks and safeties to all get drafted.

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<v Speaker 1>That would move him up the board and increase his

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<v Speaker 1>likelihood of being picked earlier. Okay, come on, a couple

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<v Speaker 1>more picks. Come on, that's good. I'm rooting for them

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<v Speaker 1>to just leave. Come on, that's all the cloud people

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<v Speaker 1>off the board. I got four more give me the Niners.

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<v Speaker 1>Just people hitting me saying we're trying to get you today.

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<v Speaker 1>We're trying to get you. Packers hit me. Charges hit

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<v Speaker 1>me again, Packers hit me, the charges hit me. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>what the trigger? What I'm trigger? Day two of the

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand twenty one NFL Draft officially comes to a

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<v Speaker 1>close as both Cam and Hannoto wait for their names

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<v Speaker 1>to be called. Only one more day remains, with the

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<v Speaker 1>rounds four through seven Jakie place. On the final afternoon,

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<v Speaker 1>Cam says goodbye to his friends and family, inviting them

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<v Speaker 1>back for the last draft day. Thank you all for

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<v Speaker 1>com here. Love y'all, okay, you're nice and several day

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<v Speaker 1>three day three day three day three tomorrows for sure

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<v Speaker 1>the day ought to anticipation. Four fift six, sevens and

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<v Speaker 1>four rounds. I thought it'd be today, honestly, but didn't

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<v Speaker 1>happen today, so said again, I thought the charges today

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<v Speaker 1>because they hit me last night talking about we need

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<v Speaker 1>YEARL but didn't end up happening. It's where I'm supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to be. They don't matter. I'm strapping regardless. So day

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<v Speaker 1>two is done. Motivation, Cam spirits remained high. This is

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<v Speaker 1>a movie, after all, and he's confident this one has

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<v Speaker 1>a happy ending. Meanwhile, in Arizona, Hammica isn't feeling quite

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<v Speaker 1>as optimistic. He shares his feelings after sliding into the

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<v Speaker 1>later rounds of the draft. Second they go by, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't get picked, I don't get a call. I'm mad.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just like just super disappointing. Man. I feel like, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I had a lot of people in my house.

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<v Speaker 1>I just feel like I was just disappointed embarrassed at

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<v Speaker 1>the same time, you know, like like these people, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>seeing people get drafted with like no names, and like

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<v Speaker 1>it's just it's just irritating, Like how do I go

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<v Speaker 1>from our first first team on American and now all

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<v Speaker 1>these people are better at me? And that's what really

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<v Speaker 1>like maybe mad Clutch Sports agent to Marius Bilbo elaborates

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<v Speaker 1>on that inner struggle players like Hammica and Cam faith

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<v Speaker 1>when falling in the draft. So the hardest part is

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<v Speaker 1>really when that an ounce of disappointment sets in, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just getting a guy over that home, and it has

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<v Speaker 1>to be quick. It has to be a quick turn.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, look, bro, we got we got next round,

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<v Speaker 1>we got tomorrow, we got the next day. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>and this this is a lifeloan, you know, a period

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<v Speaker 1>of work that's kind of crumbled into three days on

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<v Speaker 1>the weekend, and it doesn't always happen how they wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to happen. But look, you do have an opportunity, and

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<v Speaker 1>that opportunity is going to really shape how people look

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<v Speaker 1>at you down the road. That opportunit unity he talks about,

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<v Speaker 1>comes from being picked late in the draft, signing as

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<v Speaker 1>a free agent, or proving yourself as a practice player.

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<v Speaker 1>The draft doesn't always end the journey for players who

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<v Speaker 1>don't make it, how they respond and what they do

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<v Speaker 1>next matters almost as much as when or where they

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<v Speaker 1>get drafted. Just ask sixth round pick Tom Brady or

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<v Speaker 1>all the other late rounders who went on to become

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<v Speaker 1>NFL legends like Deacon Jones, Bart Starr, and Raymond Barry.

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<v Speaker 1>This is why Demarius wants cam in Hammocka to know

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<v Speaker 1>that the only thing that matters right now is the

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<v Speaker 1>beginning of day three. Alright, Mike is on Day three

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<v Speaker 1>in the draft is about the movie being a movie's guaranteed. Today,

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<v Speaker 1>We'll be right back. Cam by them sits in Big Bear, California,

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<v Speaker 1>surrounded by friends and family, waiting for someone to give

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<v Speaker 1>him the opportunity. His agent to maryus Bilbo talked about

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<v Speaker 1>he's still feeling confident even as he watches another corner

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<v Speaker 1>get picked over him in round four. Yes, sir, another

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<v Speaker 1>one bites the desk. Anything, anything, It all depends on

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<v Speaker 1>where I go. Honestly, Cam was willing to play any

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<v Speaker 1>position on any team. He just wants to get out there.

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<v Speaker 1>Who is it? Oh another DV? Are we chilling? Were good?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Was he on any of the boards? Yeah? All, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>Hello River ball Player and I like to value and

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<v Speaker 1>a Hello Cameron, Yeah, this is me. Hey Cameron, this

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<v Speaker 1>is Pat Roberts at the Minnesota Vakings. How you doing.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing great? How are you doing? I think we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna get ready to your car here. But what we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna do is I'm gonna dial you back from another

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<v Speaker 1>and then you're gonna be honest like a zoom. Our

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<v Speaker 1>team's getting with our general manager. Okay, Okay, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if I caught everything you just said. But we'll

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<v Speaker 1>get it done. We'll get it down. We're gonna we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna call him like ten seconds. All right, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>I got you. We don't know what we're gonna know. Hello,

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<v Speaker 1>how you doing, Viking? Ready for a game? That's good,

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<v Speaker 1>that's good. Hey what We're going to turn you in

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<v Speaker 1>and that I know our coaches talk to you. We're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna turn you into the safety. Okay, let's get it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna be the best safe thing me. Let's get it.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to I'll have our coach rolling across the congratulation.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, guys, appreciate it. But okay, thank you. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>my gosh, h love me, guys. This man for this man,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, I work for this man pretty too much.

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<v Speaker 1>Once it is, the Minnesota Vikings have officially picked Cameron

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<v Speaker 1>Binum with the one of the two thousand twenty one

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<v Speaker 1>NFL Draft. Here are his parents, Curtis and Jennifer on

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<v Speaker 1>House are real that moment felt when he got the car.

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<v Speaker 1>Even though I knew it was coming, I still thought

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<v Speaker 1>it was a joke. I thought I thought he was

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<v Speaker 1>messing around with everyone. And then I'm like Okay, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>he's not. But originally when I saw him looking at

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<v Speaker 1>his phone, like now he's joking, I'm not following for that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad you put it on speaker, Funes so we

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<v Speaker 1>can all hear him. Take this is coach, and Cam

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<v Speaker 1>was just so excited. The only thing left now is

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<v Speaker 1>for the selection to be officially announced on the draft broadcast.

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<v Speaker 1>It was on the King was dead. Let's do he

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<v Speaker 1>sacrifice on that work. I love you y'all put in

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<v Speaker 1>hours for it is. It's now about to go to

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<v Speaker 1>be great. We're going wrong for me to work out

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<v Speaker 1>My gosh, did it too times. Cam's hugging his parents

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<v Speaker 1>talking about the extra odd jobs they picked up to

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<v Speaker 1>help pay for his football camps and trainers, all those

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<v Speaker 1>five in the morning workouts, they drove them to the

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<v Speaker 1>recruiting operation, they helped him manage, all the sacrifices they

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<v Speaker 1>made over the years to get them to this point.

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<v Speaker 1>Here are all three of them again describing those overwhelming emotions.

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<v Speaker 1>That's whatever I really felt real once they said it

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<v Speaker 1>on TV. And when when I yeah, when they said that,

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<v Speaker 1>I was crazy hyped and I was pretty emotional to

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<v Speaker 1>I was crying it's probably me and I'm honestly, I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't think I cried, but I did. But yeah, it

0:17:27.720 --> 0:17:29.920
<v Speaker 1>was both of the best. We were competing for who's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna cry the most? Just seeing everybody they're just celebrating

0:17:35.680 --> 0:17:38.800
<v Speaker 1>his accomplishments and everything. Yeah, I was a crying baby,

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<v Speaker 1>So I was. It was really emotional, really emotional. Back

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<v Speaker 1>in the cabin, Cam's phone rings once again. Hello, thank

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<v Speaker 1>you guys. Get what do you mean? That's his longtime

0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:05.480
<v Speaker 1>coach and trainer Anthony Brown on the phone. Coach Brown

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<v Speaker 1>elaborates on what it meant for him to see the

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<v Speaker 1>high school kid who couldn't even get on the field

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<v Speaker 1>for the JV team developed into the professional who just

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<v Speaker 1>got picked by the Minnesota Vikings. Saturday morning. Uh, I

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<v Speaker 1>called him, tell him I'm coming up, and I look

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<v Speaker 1>at my calendar. I'm like, oh crap, I got a kid.

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta train this morning at nine o'clock. So Calm

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<v Speaker 1>is that big beer. So I'm training this kid. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>he's he's thirteen years So I finished. I finished up

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<v Speaker 1>the training with him. As I'm finishing up my training

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<v Speaker 1>with him, I get a phone call from Calm. You

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<v Speaker 1>know that he's been drafted, but it was other people

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<v Speaker 1>that called. But when I got on the phone with him,

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<v Speaker 1>it was one of those things who I just broke down.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't hear me crying on my side of the phone, bro,

0:18:53.560 --> 0:18:58.679
<v Speaker 1>but it was just it was just it was so unreal.

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<v Speaker 1>And I swear to you, for about twenty minutes, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sitting on the couch just crying my butt off. Man,

0:19:06.840 --> 0:19:10.040
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't. I couldn't stop crying. You know, it was

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<v Speaker 1>so emotional because you watched this kid that only people

0:19:14.520 --> 0:19:17.960
<v Speaker 1>better than him was him, his family and me, you know,

0:19:18.280 --> 0:19:22.800
<v Speaker 1>and you see being drafted to the NFL and you like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you you things are gonna happen. But him

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<v Speaker 1>being drafted, putting the countless hours, uh, you know, overcoming

0:19:32.480 --> 0:19:35.399
<v Speaker 1>all the eyes of to where he's being drafted in

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<v Speaker 1>the fourth round to the National Football League and ended

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<v Speaker 1>up at the Minnesota Vikings is man is you know,

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<v Speaker 1>this is special and it's and it's something that you

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you can't take you can't take you away

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<v Speaker 1>from him and his family because the kid did it.

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<v Speaker 1>He did it the right way. It's a blessing. The

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<v Speaker 1>this kid was able to in a long way to

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<v Speaker 1>the support that he picked up on the way. It is.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really it's remarkable that this really happens to Cam Biden,

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<v Speaker 1>and I just and I just praise God that it

0:20:14.200 --> 0:20:19.480
<v Speaker 1>happened to him, because he deserved everything that's gonna happen.

0:20:19.760 --> 0:20:21.760
<v Speaker 1>Happy to damn, but it's family. He really deserves it.

0:20:26.960 --> 0:20:30.440
<v Speaker 1>After Cam finishes doing interviews and media appearances, he records

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<v Speaker 1>one final message before heading down to the lake where

0:20:33.480 --> 0:20:36.920
<v Speaker 1>the celebration will really get going. All right, so this

0:20:37.119 --> 0:20:39.760
<v Speaker 1>is my last little voice message for a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm about to go jump in this lake. Uh, finally

0:20:42.720 --> 0:20:46.320
<v Speaker 1>doing my interviews, had like five of them already, they're

0:20:46.359 --> 0:20:48.280
<v Speaker 1>on my calls, So now I can finally go celebrate

0:20:48.320 --> 0:20:50.440
<v Speaker 1>with the family. Everybody's outside waiting for me. So I'm

0:20:50.440 --> 0:20:51.959
<v Speaker 1>about to go jump in the lake and everybody's doing

0:20:51.960 --> 0:20:54.880
<v Speaker 1>it with me. So yep, thank you all. God is good.

0:20:55.480 --> 0:21:00.280
<v Speaker 1>God is great. I'm a viking with that. Cam goes

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<v Speaker 1>outside and gets ready to jump. So after I got drafted,

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, Okay, we're off the lake. We're in

0:21:06.880 --> 0:21:09.040
<v Speaker 1>We're in Big Bear in the cabin right off the lakes.

0:21:09.240 --> 0:21:11.399
<v Speaker 1>That we gotta do something that we're gonna remember forever.

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<v Speaker 1>It's something that's gonna be super cool to capture on tape.

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<v Speaker 1>We can't just sit there and just jump and be happy.

0:21:17.840 --> 0:21:19.760
<v Speaker 1>And now just till around looking at each other this

0:21:19.840 --> 0:21:22.040
<v Speaker 1>You're like, all right, I get draft. We're jump in

0:21:22.080 --> 0:21:23.719
<v Speaker 1>the lake. All of us are jump in the lake.

0:21:24.800 --> 0:21:27.439
<v Speaker 1>So they're like, uh, sure, I guess it's your day.

0:21:27.480 --> 0:21:31.399
<v Speaker 1>So we're doing it. So all my family were planned it.

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<v Speaker 1>After I got drafted. Had to go up there upstairs,

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<v Speaker 1>good a couple of interviews real quick from Minnesota. As

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<v Speaker 1>soon as I came down, had to speak to you

0:21:38.800 --> 0:21:41.280
<v Speaker 1>with my song playing, And we y'all ran down some

0:21:41.400 --> 0:21:43.840
<v Speaker 1>water and jumped off the dock and like all my teammates,

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<v Speaker 1>we all did backwards in the water. We'll be right

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<v Speaker 1>back come The third day of the two thousand twenty

0:22:06.720 --> 0:22:12.280
<v Speaker 1>one NFL Draft is still underway in Chandler, Arizona. Hammaka

0:22:12.359 --> 0:22:16.800
<v Speaker 1>Rashi Jr. Watches Round four come to an end. There

0:22:16.840 --> 0:22:20.359
<v Speaker 1>are only three rounds remaining, and he still hasn't gotten

0:22:20.480 --> 0:22:23.359
<v Speaker 1>his phone call. But it's my Misha refuses to let

0:22:23.520 --> 0:22:30.480
<v Speaker 1>him or anyone in the house feel down. God's not

0:22:30.560 --> 0:22:32.959
<v Speaker 1>gonna giveson you. Somebody else at the door or blessing.

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<v Speaker 1>He got your own blessing when it's your turn. Don't

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<v Speaker 1>matter what else somebody else got or whoever Scott drafted.

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<v Speaker 1>Your Your blessing is your blessing. Like our race said,

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<v Speaker 1>we have the one for cent town, only one experience

0:22:48.560 --> 0:22:51.240
<v Speaker 1>what we are today. So the fact that we're here

0:22:51.480 --> 0:22:53.520
<v Speaker 1>and all the people that was on your team and

0:22:53.600 --> 0:22:57.560
<v Speaker 1>the God has opened that door one. You've been at

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<v Speaker 1>to too much hype brasity. You can't never reacholla of

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<v Speaker 1>what somebody else happcause you don't know what they have

0:23:01.920 --> 0:23:04.120
<v Speaker 1>to go through, just like whoever hate like you don't

0:23:04.160 --> 0:23:07.760
<v Speaker 1>know your story. Yeah, they don't know your story. They

0:23:07.800 --> 0:23:10.240
<v Speaker 1>don't know the adversity that all they're gonna see is

0:23:10.280 --> 0:23:12.360
<v Speaker 1>where you are. They don't know what you went through.

0:23:12.359 --> 0:23:17.160
<v Speaker 1>The we're here, Curry, we're here. That's right, we're here.

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<v Speaker 1>Gloria has around five ends and six begins. Even Misha

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<v Speaker 1>begins to struggle with her emotions. Here she is again

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<v Speaker 1>describing her mental state as the final two rounds continue

0:23:33.440 --> 0:23:37.920
<v Speaker 1>flying by. It was to me like a death. It

0:23:38.040 --> 0:23:40.760
<v Speaker 1>was like a death. Brabies and now the baby at

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<v Speaker 1>the same time, like what in the world just happened.

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<v Speaker 1>I would not even buyed all these people over our head.

0:23:46.560 --> 0:23:49.800
<v Speaker 1>All these people come thinking this is the bottom line,

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<v Speaker 1>and to pull him out the tree. The first day like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>come back then, we're gonna get through this. So the

0:23:55.480 --> 0:23:57.600
<v Speaker 1>first day it was red forms and I'm like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>you gotta come back down here. This is just the

0:23:59.640 --> 0:24:03.520
<v Speaker 1>first day. So he came back down. The second day, Okay,

0:24:03.600 --> 0:24:06.639
<v Speaker 1>we get through. The second day. The third day he

0:24:06.800 --> 0:24:08.800
<v Speaker 1>was just you know, we all were here for support

0:24:08.880 --> 0:24:11.879
<v Speaker 1>for him, don't get through this. And then he was

0:24:11.920 --> 0:24:13.960
<v Speaker 1>still okay. I wasn't one of the Philip part like

0:24:14.040 --> 0:24:18.080
<v Speaker 1>I did, but he was still okay. I was a

0:24:18.160 --> 0:24:20.800
<v Speaker 1>wreck by then. I was just like it was a

0:24:21.040 --> 0:24:24.879
<v Speaker 1>very emotional. Hammaica's father in law, Chris, also ways in

0:24:25.200 --> 0:24:27.520
<v Speaker 1>on the emotional burden. My husband want to say something.

0:24:27.920 --> 0:24:33.200
<v Speaker 1>I was broke trying to people for three days and

0:24:33.320 --> 0:24:37.760
<v Speaker 1>trying to make sure everybody pass up to the drink.

0:24:38.840 --> 0:24:47.920
<v Speaker 1>My ap bill double. Basically it was very expensive. Meanwhile,

0:24:48.119 --> 0:24:51.080
<v Speaker 1>Hammaka tries to process his free fall into what is

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<v Speaker 1>now the seventh and final round of draft. I think

0:24:58.680 --> 0:25:02.040
<v Speaker 1>I his flight just I'm just like, wow, that's why

0:25:02.160 --> 0:25:04.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm just hoping for a call no matter what. But

0:25:04.920 --> 0:25:07.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm just trying to figure out what's going on why

0:25:07.280 --> 0:25:11.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm not getting drafted, And honestly, that's probably like the

0:25:11.840 --> 0:25:17.159
<v Speaker 1>biggest disappoint h I want to say I got. I

0:25:17.240 --> 0:25:19.959
<v Speaker 1>feel like I just got egged on, Like people are

0:25:20.040 --> 0:25:22.760
<v Speaker 1>just misleading me, thinking acting like they're gonna draft me,

0:25:23.359 --> 0:25:27.000
<v Speaker 1>and I'm seeing what kickers and puntershs get drafted before me.

0:25:27.119 --> 0:25:29.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, what is going on? And that's probably what

0:25:29.920 --> 0:25:32.280
<v Speaker 1>makes me mad at the most, Like you don't act

0:25:32.320 --> 0:25:34.800
<v Speaker 1>like you're undrafting, you don't draft me, end up drafting.

0:25:35.080 --> 0:25:37.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying a different guy in my position, and

0:25:38.040 --> 0:25:42.960
<v Speaker 1>that's like wow, okay, and end up getting the call.

0:25:43.320 --> 0:25:46.040
<v Speaker 1>Somebody called me and they were just like, yeah, I

0:25:46.160 --> 0:25:49.359
<v Speaker 1>heard that they're getting a ride receiver, but we love

0:25:49.440 --> 0:25:52.320
<v Speaker 1>to get you in free agency. He was like. I

0:25:52.400 --> 0:25:54.639
<v Speaker 1>was just like wow. I was like that's tough. Like

0:25:54.800 --> 0:25:57.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking this is the call, but they're telling me like, yeah,

0:25:57.600 --> 0:25:59.080
<v Speaker 1>we can get you for you just if you want

0:25:59.119 --> 0:26:07.359
<v Speaker 1>to come here. Okay. The calls, Hamnaker receives our teams

0:26:07.440 --> 0:26:09.400
<v Speaker 1>saying they'd like to sign him as a free agent.

0:26:09.640 --> 0:26:12.400
<v Speaker 1>After the draft ends, no one ever calls to say

0:26:12.440 --> 0:26:15.359
<v Speaker 1>they are drafting him. It's a heartbreaking weekend for a

0:26:15.480 --> 0:26:19.119
<v Speaker 1>player who had first round aspirations only a year earlier.

0:26:19.840 --> 0:26:22.000
<v Speaker 1>Honestly for a lot of teams like me. But there's

0:26:22.040 --> 0:26:25.440
<v Speaker 1>nobody will pulling the trigger. And that's what I like,

0:26:25.600 --> 0:26:29.600
<v Speaker 1>I really to understand still, but overall, I would say

0:26:30.720 --> 0:26:35.320
<v Speaker 1>the disappointment. Rookies always say the biggest change from college

0:26:35.359 --> 0:26:37.639
<v Speaker 1>to the NFL is the speed of the game, and

0:26:37.760 --> 0:26:40.240
<v Speaker 1>that's true with the business of football as well. Before

0:26:40.280 --> 0:26:43.000
<v Speaker 1>the draft even comes to an end, multiple teams text

0:26:43.119 --> 0:26:46.280
<v Speaker 1>and call Hamaker, expressing their interests and signing him. After

0:26:46.400 --> 0:26:49.040
<v Speaker 1>it's over, and as soon as the final picks announced,

0:26:49.440 --> 0:26:55.640
<v Speaker 1>they start making offers. As soon as the last pig

0:26:55.760 --> 0:26:58.480
<v Speaker 1>goes in. Now people are calling or they're calling before that.

0:26:58.600 --> 0:27:00.680
<v Speaker 1>I think the Raiders called me for the or the

0:27:00.760 --> 0:27:03.000
<v Speaker 1>SEC after the Jets. Um, I want to say, the

0:27:03.040 --> 0:27:05.240
<v Speaker 1>Patriots or somebody. A lot of other people to text

0:27:05.320 --> 0:27:07.760
<v Speaker 1>me and calling, and it's pretty much like, yeah, I

0:27:07.840 --> 0:27:10.760
<v Speaker 1>believe you make team and you'd be a great fear

0:27:10.840 --> 0:27:14.240
<v Speaker 1>here and you're pretty much just like okay, you either

0:27:14.359 --> 0:27:17.200
<v Speaker 1>say yeah, I don't know. The race to sign undrafted

0:27:17.280 --> 0:27:21.040
<v Speaker 1>players often becomes competitive and can even turn into bidding wars,

0:27:21.359 --> 0:27:24.560
<v Speaker 1>where sometimes the contracts end up higher than those signed

0:27:24.720 --> 0:27:28.320
<v Speaker 1>by guys drafted in the sixth or seventh rounds. Here's

0:27:28.359 --> 0:27:31.640
<v Speaker 1>Hammokah again on how quickly at all unfolded for him.

0:27:32.160 --> 0:27:34.760
<v Speaker 1>I want to say the Jets de coordinated. Text me,

0:27:34.920 --> 0:27:37.000
<v Speaker 1>He's like, I think you have a great upside of

0:27:37.080 --> 0:27:40.200
<v Speaker 1>here and you could play and ended up what's going

0:27:40.240 --> 0:27:43.359
<v Speaker 1>to the Jets and at this poem and Jet and

0:27:43.720 --> 0:27:46.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, so that day, you know somebody saw something

0:27:46.960 --> 0:27:49.040
<v Speaker 1>in me, and you know I'm gonna work my butt

0:27:49.040 --> 0:27:51.920
<v Speaker 1>off to make this team and become a starter anything

0:27:52.000 --> 0:27:55.959
<v Speaker 1>around there. Here's agent to Marius Bilbo again describing how

0:27:56.080 --> 0:28:00.360
<v Speaker 1>he sees this wild West free agency process. Well, it's

0:28:00.359 --> 0:28:03.399
<v Speaker 1>actually frustrating because you know, teams us that as escape

0:28:03.400 --> 0:28:05.440
<v Speaker 1>why not get it? They only have so many picks,

0:28:05.480 --> 0:28:07.480
<v Speaker 1>they have so many positions to feel And I know

0:28:07.600 --> 0:28:10.760
<v Speaker 1>inside those rooms you have a plethora of people fighting

0:28:10.800 --> 0:28:14.360
<v Speaker 1>for different things. You have defensive coaches fight for defensive player,

0:28:14.560 --> 0:28:16.920
<v Speaker 1>offensive coaches saying we have to dress this need and

0:28:17.440 --> 0:28:20.800
<v Speaker 1>you'll start getting those calls. Um, hey, some things will

0:28:20.840 --> 0:28:23.000
<v Speaker 1>do it before the draft even starts before round one,

0:28:23.040 --> 0:28:25.680
<v Speaker 1>they'll say, hey, if your guys to go undrafted, you know,

0:28:25.680 --> 0:28:30.280
<v Speaker 1>it's kind of like uh dating, but uh. You start

0:28:30.280 --> 0:28:32.040
<v Speaker 1>to get frustrated with the teams that said, oh, we

0:28:32.080 --> 0:28:33.720
<v Speaker 1>wanted to take him in the forth, why didn't you

0:28:33.800 --> 0:28:35.680
<v Speaker 1>take him there? You know, I don't I don't want

0:28:35.680 --> 0:28:38.280
<v Speaker 1>to hear that after the draft is over, like, who gars?

0:28:38.400 --> 0:28:40.760
<v Speaker 1>You know, we had a high grade on them. Wasn't

0:28:40.840 --> 0:28:43.240
<v Speaker 1>high enough, you know, because he's hitting here, you know.

0:28:43.320 --> 0:28:46.160
<v Speaker 1>So it's that frustration that kind of sets in. I

0:28:46.240 --> 0:28:49.240
<v Speaker 1>got about fifteen teams that called and was like, I

0:28:49.280 --> 0:28:53.160
<v Speaker 1>don't know what happened. And again in my mom I'm pissed.

0:28:53.200 --> 0:28:55.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm pissed for the kid. But then you start to

0:28:55.560 --> 0:28:57.920
<v Speaker 1>look at roster. You start to break things down and say,

0:28:58.560 --> 0:29:02.120
<v Speaker 1>if in fact he's not drafted, where's the best fit?

0:29:02.320 --> 0:29:05.400
<v Speaker 1>You know, where does he fit in the scheme wise

0:29:05.840 --> 0:29:08.760
<v Speaker 1>he gets to go into a place that's unbiased on

0:29:08.960 --> 0:29:11.920
<v Speaker 1>draft and then's just looking at potential and talent. And

0:29:12.440 --> 0:29:14.560
<v Speaker 1>that's when you have to push the emotion to the

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<v Speaker 1>side and say, what are we gonna do best for

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<v Speaker 1>him in terms of scheme fit, in terms of teams,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, things like that. Hammaka signs with the Jets

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<v Speaker 1>almost immediately after the draft because he fits their scheme

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<v Speaker 1>on defense, and it's a team where he has a

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<v Speaker 1>good chance to make the roster and to get playing time.

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<v Speaker 1>So now once again he stares down a daunting path

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<v Speaker 1>in his journey, and once again he's ready to prove

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<v Speaker 1>to everyone what he can do. A lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>are texting me happy for me going to the league

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<v Speaker 1>and get assigned to the Jets. Now I just took

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<v Speaker 1>that as like, Yeah, rather you stopped telling me congratulations

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<v Speaker 1>when I haven't made it, you know, so like you

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<v Speaker 1>rather rather you tell me I work. Aren't in congratulating

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm not not where I am while where I'm

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to be, I'm not where I want to be.

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<v Speaker 1>Coach George Hawthorne, who worked with Hammaco at Chandler High

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<v Speaker 1>School and later became one of his mentors, has seen

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<v Speaker 1>this all before. He's watched Hammoca face adversity from the

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<v Speaker 1>day he met him all the way to the end

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<v Speaker 1>of this year's draft, because he had already been down

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<v Speaker 1>those those bumpy roads and those roads with the detours

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<v Speaker 1>in the roadblocks, and the things. He was able to

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<v Speaker 1>handle that much better than some of the people that

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<v Speaker 1>hadn't been down those roads. A lot of people have

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<v Speaker 1>only encountered success on their journeys, so when they come

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<v Speaker 1>to the first obstacle, they don't know how to handle it. Well.

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<v Speaker 1>A good thing about him, he's been up against these

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<v Speaker 1>types of obstacles before. He's had to face adversity throughout

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<v Speaker 1>his life. Transferring schools and you know, having to overcome

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<v Speaker 1>the obstacle of not having the grades and having a

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<v Speaker 1>really really buckle down in school and getting his grades together.

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<v Speaker 1>So even go to Oregon State, he had a game

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<v Speaker 1>waiting in order to be a college football player. So

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<v Speaker 1>he's you know, where he is, where he's sitting is

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<v Speaker 1>not an unfamiliar, unfamiliar situation. He's been there, He's been

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<v Speaker 1>a many times. He knows how to overcome it. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's going to work through it, you know, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>really looking forward to the journey of him working through

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<v Speaker 1>it and proving to you know, everybody in New York

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<v Speaker 1>and everybody in the NFL and everybody in the country

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<v Speaker 1>that he can be one of the best in the game.

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<v Speaker 1>Another mentor, coach Russell Scott has also been by Hammock

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<v Speaker 1>aside throughout this journey, and he knows hammaca is as

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<v Speaker 1>prepared as anyone for what comes next. Yeah, He's had

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<v Speaker 1>to endure, you know. Um Joseph was thrown into a

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<v Speaker 1>fiery pit by his brothers, you know, and and came

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<v Speaker 1>out as a king. So I believe ham is going

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<v Speaker 1>to do the same thing. He's had to endure a

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<v Speaker 1>lot that he had the direct rug pulled out from

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<v Speaker 1>underneath him, and he's had to face adversity a few

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<v Speaker 1>times in his life and it's prepared him for this

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<v Speaker 1>position that he's in right now. I believe even with

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<v Speaker 1>the divorce of his parents, that takes a total on kids.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, sometimes they blame themselves for their parents being divorced,

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<v Speaker 1>and so, you know, I think what we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>watch is a success story because of what he's had

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<v Speaker 1>to endure all of his life. And I try to

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<v Speaker 1>encourage him not to look at these things as a setback,

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<v Speaker 1>but a set up for what's next in his life.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think he's going to be ready, uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>to to take this next step. Hammocker recognizes the familiar

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<v Speaker 1>position he's in. He stood at life ros rugs many

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<v Speaker 1>times before. He knows there are nearly five undrafted players

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<v Speaker 1>currently in the NFL and that he has the opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>to add to that number. He's ready to fight his

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<v Speaker 1>way onto a roster and eventually to the top once again.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like um freshmans off my year, going to

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<v Speaker 1>like No orgiest state state, work my butt off again.

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<v Speaker 1>The show you know people just like in high school.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's the saying Susant Road. Different journey. As the

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<v Speaker 1>NFL season progressed, Hammica has made the Jets practice squad.

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<v Speaker 1>Dez Fitzpatrick is also playing the practice squad for the

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<v Speaker 1>Tennessee Titans in Minnesota. Cam Bin them is beginning to

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<v Speaker 1>get playing time at safety, while Kellen Mond works as

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<v Speaker 1>their third string quarterback. Alex Leatherwood and DeVante Smith are

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<v Speaker 1>starting for the Raiders and the Eagles. These six players

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<v Speaker 1>beat impossible odds and now have the chance to pursue

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<v Speaker 1>their dreams at the highest level. They're facing an entirely

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<v Speaker 1>new challenge against the best athletes in the world. Welcome

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