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Speaker 1: Twelfth, and this is part two of our NBA season

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Speaker 1: here on YouTube. Okay, Part two of our Burning Questions

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Speaker 1: about the upcoming NBA season. This is a five part series.

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Speaker 1: On yesterday's show, Part one, we debated the MVP favorites,

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Speaker 1: most difficult teams to predict, first time All Stars, a

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Speaker 1: whole lot more so, if you haven't listened or watched

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Speaker 1: that one Part one, we'll go check it out. But

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Speaker 1: part two our first question, Lee. Before we get to it,

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Speaker 1: I want to give a little I don't know breaking

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Speaker 1: news an update with the Ben Simmons drama because it

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Speaker 1: ties into the first que about stars possibly being traded. Okay, So,

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Speaker 1: after staying away for two weeks to start NBA preseason,

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Speaker 1: Ben Simmons has reported to the Wells Fargo Center in Philly.

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Speaker 1: This happened on Monday night and it was a huge

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Speaker 1: surprise to the organization that I guess I'd expected him

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Speaker 1: maybe later in the week. Woes wrote this, Lee, this

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Speaker 1: kills me quote why a return now? Simmons is described

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Speaker 1: as wanting to prove a point and knowing he had

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Speaker 1: done so with something that almost never happens in the NBA,

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Speaker 1: sitting out training camp, costing himself nearly one million dollars

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Speaker 1: in lost salary and fines, and delivering an unmistakable message

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Speaker 1: that he wanted to trade out of Philadelphia.

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Speaker 2: He's proved the points anyway, Simmons is back.

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Speaker 1: What do you think before we get into the actual

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Speaker 1: first question here a part two of this Ben Simmons

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Speaker 1: thing and.

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Speaker 2: Where we go from here? What happens now?

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Speaker 4: Well, that's a great question. I don't think anyone really

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Speaker 4: knows exactly what's gonna happen. Is he going to do

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Speaker 4: a Jimmy Butler and come back and kind of be

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Speaker 4: a malcontent and almost forced the organization to trade him.

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Speaker 4: I don't think he's got that sort of clout, to

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Speaker 4: be honest, because what he he's really upset about is

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Speaker 4: he feels I believe that he got thrown under the

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Speaker 4: bus after that Game seven lost to Atlanta Hawks. Now,

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Speaker 4: in some ways he did, because the coach Doc Rivers

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Speaker 4: and Joel Embiid certainly alluded to him not dunking in

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Speaker 4: that crucial possession that could have tied it up with

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Speaker 4: that sort of unwritten rule that no one should break.

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Speaker 4: You know, you never sort of throw your teammates under

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Speaker 4: the bus, certainly after an emotional loss like that. But

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Speaker 4: I think that's where this hole comes from with Ben Simmons.

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Speaker 4: But really that sort of frustration with him is more

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Speaker 4: a culmination of the fact that in four seasons he

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Speaker 4: hasn't really improved his game. He's still a good player,

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Speaker 4: a very good player, All NBA player, second in Defensive

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Speaker 4: and so you can understand why there's some frustration that

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Speaker 4: he wasn't even shooting the ball at all. I think

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Speaker 4: done what is expected of a star player. So there's

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Speaker 4: plenty of blame to go around. Everyone's got to take

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Speaker 4: a little bit of it here. But I think Ben Simmons,

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Speaker 4: if he wants to prove a point. Go out there

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Speaker 4: and show that you've actually worked on your game. This tummy.

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Speaker 4: We've all seen those videos. Joel Embiid's seen those videos

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Speaker 4: of him working out there where he hasn't missed a

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Speaker 4: shot and he's going up against defenders as big as me,

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Speaker 4: and he's playing at half speed. But every shot got

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Speaker 4: he's put up, he's mate. So I think they actually

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Speaker 4: are a terrible thing. I think Ben Simmons is getting

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Speaker 4: terrible advice from his inner circle. I would have put

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Speaker 4: His trainer did, but I would have said, don't put

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Speaker 4: those up. I want to show people that I'm actually

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Speaker 4: working on it. Because if he goes out and plays,

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Speaker 4: and I expect he will play now, he will suit

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Speaker 4: up for the Sixers come regular season time. Anyway, the

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Speaker 4: proof will be in the pudding as far as whether

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Speaker 4: or not he has actually improved his game, and that is,

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Speaker 4: can he shoot confidently from anywhere? Any shot that he

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Speaker 4: can make will be an improvement, because he hasn't shown

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Speaker 4: that in four seasons so far. So this is a

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Speaker 4: crazy situation. I think Darryl Moury has played this perfectly

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Speaker 4: by saying, I've got all the leverage here. You know

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Speaker 4: you can sit out if you want. It's going to

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Speaker 4: cost you money. I don't think teams are looking at

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Speaker 4: the Sixers and Ben Simmonson saying right now we're going

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Speaker 4: to give up our top tier talent to acquire him.

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Speaker 4: As great a player as he is, he brings an

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Speaker 4: enormous amount of baggage with him right now. I think

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Speaker 4: he's more getting your second tier and Tac alluded to

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Speaker 4: it yesterday. The Malcolm Brogden, perhaps a TJ. Warren and

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Speaker 4: probably the best off of the Sixers I've got right now.

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Speaker 4: And I think Daryl Moray's like, well, I'm not taking that.

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Speaker 4: I think he's worth more. But until he gets out

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Speaker 4: on the court and shows how good he is and

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Speaker 4: shows that he can kind of improve his game but

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Speaker 4: put all that nonsense from last season behind him, I

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Speaker 4: think the Sixers are just going to have to sort

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Speaker 4: of wait until that trade value increases someone.

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Speaker 3: The proof is going to be in the banana pudding.

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Speaker 3: You may get a trade for a mal content Brogden maybe,

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Speaker 3: but that's about it. I think Simmons has he's lost

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Speaker 3: money and he wants to get it back. Really and

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Speaker 3: it is unprecedented in that you talked about Jimmy Butler,

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Speaker 3: Anthony Davis did the same thing. If James Harden did

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Speaker 3: the same thing. They requested trade, but they came back.

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Speaker 3: Fans didn't know taboo or cheer, and Ben Simmons is

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Speaker 3: going to do the same thing. He's going to come back,

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Speaker 3: He's going to play. The weird thing to me is

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Speaker 3: that what was reported he came back before they played

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Speaker 3: the Brooklyn Nets, like he was at Wells Fargo Arena

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Speaker 3: before the game, and then there was no report, like

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Speaker 3: we don't know what happened afterwards. Is he still there?

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Speaker 3: Is he still at the front door waiting, Like what

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Speaker 3: is the scenario. Either he's going to play because he

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Speaker 3: wants to play, he's going to be part of the team,

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Speaker 3: or he's still going to demand to trade. And if

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Speaker 3: he's at the door, I agree with Lee. I think

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Speaker 3: he's going to play. He's going to do what Jimmy

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Speaker 3: Butler did, did do what Anthony Davis did, and do

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Speaker 3: what James Harden did last year, and he's going to

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Speaker 3: get traded, whether it's you know, a week or two

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Speaker 3: or three into the season. The difference is he's got

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Speaker 3: an incredible contract, so I think there will be a

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Speaker 3: package that comes back fro him that's decent enough. Anthony

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Speaker 3: Davis had a decent pack that came back to New Orleans. Uh,

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Speaker 3: you know, they overpaid probably a little bit. That's it

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Speaker 3: was a championship, but whatever. Jimmy Butler, you know, a

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Speaker 3: fine package at the time, and the Jimmy Harden one

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Speaker 3: didn't work out. But I do think Ben Simmons, with

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Speaker 3: his incredible contract, they're gonna they're still gonna get something.

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Speaker 1: Well, you said you with those guys, fans didn't know

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Speaker 1: whether they were gonna boo or cheer their star player.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what Philly fans are gonna do. They've

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Speaker 1: already started doing it. He's not even there. Keith Pompey

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Speaker 1: reporting that fans in the nosebleed section last night were chanting,

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Speaker 1: you know, basically, fuck Ben Simmons.

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Speaker 2: Uh, you know, late in that.

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Speaker 1: Game if he plays. I'm not still convinced he actually

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Speaker 1: plays for the Sixers here. I mean, he's there, he's

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Speaker 1: coming back, but this could just be Yeah, to get

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Speaker 1: paid to report to camp, and then they work out

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Speaker 1: a deal where it's like, Okay, well I'm around here,

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Speaker 1: but I'm not gonna still suit up for you.

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Speaker 2: Who knows.

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Speaker 1: We'll see, but they're gonna boom them try first.

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Speaker 2: They're gonna boom fans man.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, if he really wants to prove a point, he

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Speaker 5: should shoot a three pointer on the very first fashion

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Speaker 5: that he played, because right now, his proving a point

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Speaker 5: was like when I got super angry and walked to

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Speaker 5: shake shack and then you guys all beat me to

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Speaker 5: shake shack and I had to walk in being double angry,

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Speaker 5: looking like a stupid idiot, because you're right, Skeets, at

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Speaker 5: this point, he's coming back because nobody wants to lose

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Speaker 5: a million dollars for sitting at home and moving across

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Speaker 5: country for no reason. So he's coming back to you know,

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Speaker 5: get back in the good graces, get back.

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Speaker 6: Into the payroll, and we'll see.

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Speaker 5: What kind of stomach Ben Simmons has for controversy now

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Speaker 5: that he's back in Philadelphia.

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Speaker 6: He obviously didn't have the stomach to hold out.

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Speaker 5: For the entirety of training camp, the entirety of the

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Speaker 5: preseason until he was traded, which is what they pitched

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Speaker 5: at the beginning. So now that he's back with his teammates,

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Speaker 5: we'll see if he has the stomach to go through

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Speaker 5: getting booed like crazy to getting heckled anytime he is

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Speaker 5: shown on the JumboTron, anytime he walks in the arena,

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Speaker 5: because that's exactly what's gonna happen.

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Speaker 6: So I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I imagine he'll play, just because why would you come

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Speaker 5: back if you're not gonna play.

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Speaker 6: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: It's uh, the controversy isn't gonna go away just because

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Speaker 5: you finally showed up and somebody had a text Melton

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Speaker 5: Brand that you were standing outside the arena like Eric

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Speaker 5: Andre trying.

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Speaker 2: To break in. Somebody let me in here.

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Speaker 5: Crazy stuff, But you wouldn't expect anything less. I mean,

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Speaker 5: it's shocking to me that we never got to do

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Speaker 5: an emergency podcast for a Ben Simmons trade over the summer. Now,

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Speaker 5: maybe it'll come, I don't know, November December. Same thing

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Speaker 5: as Hardened, the same thing as Jimmy Butler just took

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Speaker 5: a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see here again.

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Speaker 1: I don't think anybody really really truly knows and you're

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Speaker 1: just guessing at this point whether he plays and how

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Speaker 1: he plays and when he's traded into which team he's

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Speaker 1: traded now Task on yesterday show you talked up the

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Speaker 1: Whole, but hold on, do you think Mark old Falts

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Speaker 2: In all seriousness here under the microscope.

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Speaker 1: But the idea is the same that if Ben Simmons

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, we're not going to be talking about

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I know, But again, is that is that going

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Speaker 4: hang on a minute, this is actually not a bad

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Speaker 4: I'm going to show these guys I am better than that.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to come back. I'm going to work on

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Speaker 4: Australia in the Olympics. He's going to go and work

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Speaker 1: So Lee's top ten sporting events. He allows Ben Simmons

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Speaker 4: Look, I just feel like this situation was made so

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Speaker 4: He doesn't have that yet. He could have it if

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Speaker 4: That's not Ben Simmons's fault. We lost. It's it's you know,

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Speaker 4: we got outplayed by the other team. But again, his

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Speaker 4: And again I'm not around him. I don't know how

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Speaker 2: I can't believe that he might be playing for them.

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Speaker 4: Their last? I think preseason game is in New Orleans.

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Speaker 4: But I'm not sure. He's got to pass some sort

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Speaker 1: Well, I thought it was like a five day thing theory,

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Speaker 2: I don't know if Rich.

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Speaker 3: It would be crazy for him to fly back and

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Speaker 3: It doesn't make sense that he wouldn't be playing if

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Speaker 3: all sides if he plays. The only question is when

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Speaker 3: it might not be all that sexy to the casual

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Speaker 1: So well, the whole other thing is just teams. Everybody's

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Speaker 5: I think it would be CJ McCollum, only because he's

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Speaker 2: Yeah. The most hilarious outcome from this, I think you're right.

434
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Speaker 2: You sort of said it there.

435
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Speaker 1: Trade would be Ben Simmons showing up, playing in the

436
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Speaker 1: first game and doing nothing but shooting three pointers. Like,

437
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Speaker 1: what's the record for most three pointers attempted in a game?

438
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Speaker 3: Is it?

439
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Speaker 4: Like?

440
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Speaker 2: Jr? He had twenty two? Ye beat that break that Ben?

441
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Speaker 2: Like even if he goes over twenty three. Yeah, that

442
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Speaker 2: would be.

443
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Speaker 1: Hilarious, Like, all right, just out there, every time he

444
00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:39,919
Speaker 1: gets the ball, he just shoots a three. He just

445
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Speaker 1: bricks it, all right, trade me?

446
00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:41,480
Speaker 2: Come on.

447
00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:45,200
Speaker 1: Maury tries to take control back of this situation, the

448
00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:49,880
Speaker 1: staring contest between at least his camp and the Sixers organization.

449
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Speaker 1: Wel so, okay, Well, let's get to the first question.

450
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Speaker 1: He'll probably be traded an hour after we post this show.

451
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Speaker 2: You just watch.

452
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Speaker 1: The question is, besides Ben Simmons Lee, which star player

453
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Speaker 1: is most likely to be treated this coming season?

454
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Speaker 2: Where are you going?

455
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Speaker 4: Well? I hope it's Damian Lillard because as much as

456
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Speaker 4: I admire his loyalty and commitment to the Blazers, I

457
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Speaker 4: think there is a thing has been too loyal and

458
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Speaker 4: he's thirty years old, and I think there's two parts

459
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Speaker 4: he can kind of go down from here. He can

460
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Speaker 4: kind of do longtime guys like Reggie Miller and John Stockton,

461
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Speaker 4: you know, loyal to the franchise no matter what difference there.

462
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Speaker 4: They actually made it to the finals and came pretty

463
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Speaker 4: close to winning a championship. The Blazers haven't been that close.

464
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Speaker 4: He could go the other out Like a couple of

465
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Speaker 4: other Hall of famers. KG realized after twelve years, I've

466
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Speaker 4: got to get out of Minnesota he was thirty. Charles Barkley,

467
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Speaker 4: after eight seasons in Philly, said I've got to go

468
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Speaker 4: to a better situation or a different situation. He was

469
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Speaker 4: twenty eight, and Alan Iverson did the same thing after

470
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Speaker 4: ten seasons. There now Look, there's no guarantee that if

471
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Speaker 4: Damian Lillard asked for a trading and goes to a

472
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Speaker 4: situation a different team, that he is going to be

473
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Speaker 4: closer to a championship. But I can guarantee, I will

474
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Speaker 4: guarantee if he stays in Portland under nil ol'sha, he's

475
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Speaker 4: not going to be any closer than he's been over

476
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Speaker 4: these last couple of years. I mean, if you look

477
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Speaker 4: at that Blazer's roster, they do sort of keep moving

478
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Speaker 4: the periphery pieces, you know, tas mentioned yesterday, Larry Nance

479
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Speaker 4: coming into the team not a bad little pickup on

480
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Speaker 4: the surface, but he's automatically probably what their fourth best

481
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Speaker 4: player on that team. They're just not getting closer to

482
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Speaker 4: a championship. And I think what Lillard really has to

483
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Speaker 4: look at is someone like KD and Lebron, two legit

484
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Speaker 4: Hall of Fame guys who both left a situation. Now

485
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Speaker 4: they're slightly different, of course because they were free agents,

486
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Speaker 4: but it sort of felt to the fans the same

487
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Speaker 4: as if asking for a trade, because they just didn't

488
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Speaker 4: re sign there. And I think Lillard has shown he's

489
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Speaker 4: been an MVP candidate. He's carried that team as far

490
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Speaker 4: as he can right now after ten seasons in Portland.

491
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Speaker 4: I think it's fair. I don't think anyone realistically would

492
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Speaker 4: sort of hold it against Lillard for him saying, you

493
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Speaker 4: know what, I think it's probably not going to happen here.

494
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Speaker 4: I want to go to a different situation. I think

495
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Speaker 4: the only factor really holding him back from asking publicly

496
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Speaker 4: for a trade is the fact that he has said

497
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Speaker 4: the whole time, I want to be a Blazer for life,

498
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Speaker 4: and he's kind of beefed with Russell Westbrook and Paul

499
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Speaker 4: j you know, sort of saying these guys are always

500
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Speaker 4: switching teams, running from the grind. I think that probably

501
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Speaker 4: is something that little pride there that Liland's like, I

502
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Speaker 4: don't want to actually turn into one of those guys,

503
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Speaker 4: but you know what. Joel Embiid also referenced this in

504
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Speaker 4: one of his press conference earlier. He said, listen, if

505
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Speaker 4: the Warriors call up and say we'll give you Steph

506
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Speaker 4: and Clay for Embiid, boom, I'm out the door. Of course,

507
00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,560
Speaker 4: over the Sixers would do that deal. Now we know

508
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,040
Speaker 4: that's not going to happen, but in theory, if the

509
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Speaker 4: Blazers get an offer that they think is going to

510
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Speaker 4: improve the team and it costs them lily, they'll do it.

511
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Speaker 4: And I think Lilard needs to also take that approach

512
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Speaker 4: where he's like, I've given everything for this franchise. I've

513
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Speaker 4: been loyal, I've done all my part. I would like

514
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Speaker 4: to at least try somewhere new and see if I

515
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Speaker 4: can get closer to a championship. Because, as I say,

516
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Speaker 4: Neil l' shay, I mean, he threw Terry Stotts under

517
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Speaker 4: the bus when he fired him last season and said,

518
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Speaker 4: you know, the defensive rating isn't a product of the roster.

519
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Speaker 4: So he's saying, you know, the coach was terrible, he

520
00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,399
Speaker 4: couldn't get them to defend well. Who puts the roster together?

521
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Speaker 4: The general manager does. And I think what we've seen is,

522
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Speaker 4: you know, even to get Larry Nce, they had to

523
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Speaker 4: give up a first round pick for next season as well,

524
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Speaker 4: so they're sort of giving up any of their other

525
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Speaker 4: draft capital as well to slightly maybe improve the team

526
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Speaker 4: a little bit. So I think Lillard as again, as

527
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Speaker 4: admirable as it is, that he's saying, I'm a Blazer

528
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Speaker 4: for life, and you know, I want to stay in

529
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Speaker 4: the city. I think if he really really wants to

530
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Speaker 4: give himself a chance at getting closer to a championship.

531
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Speaker 4: The time isn't for him now to say, Okay, let's

532
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Speaker 4: see what's out there, because I think the Blazers can

533
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Speaker 4: still get a great package because he's a great player,

534
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:27,160
Speaker 4: big contract short, but you look at that work ethic

535
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Speaker 4: and that attitude and all those positive things that he

536
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 4: brings to a franchise. I think that will have teams

537
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Speaker 4: lining up to get him.

538
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Speaker 1: But Billups is going to get a chance here in

539
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:38,160
Speaker 1: Portland to coach this team and try and improve the defense.

540
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Speaker 1: I would think here, I don't think you're like Lillard

541
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Speaker 1: is not being treated in the next couple of weeks.

542
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Speaker 1: It's whether again, chance he can come in and establish

543
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Speaker 1: any sort of defensive identity, a little bit a backbone

544
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Speaker 1: to go with a great offense, and then you know,

545
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Speaker 1: maybe they're often running, but if it blows up in

546
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Speaker 1: their face, then yeah, maybe you're what you're saying, Lee,

547
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Speaker 1: is that Lillard finally sort of waves the white flag

548
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:03,680
Speaker 1: and say all right, it's not happening here.

549
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Speaker 4: That's what I think. Yeah, I just think, no matter

550
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 4: even if Chauncey comes in and has a really strong impact,

551
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 4: on that team. Where are they at best in the

552
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 4: Western Conference? About where they were last season?

553
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Speaker 2: I think good?

554
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Speaker 1: They have made conference finals. I know some things brought

555
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:21,200
Speaker 1: their way and stuff like that. Once once that's true,

556
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Speaker 1: but they're not like, you know, you know, just scramping

557
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Speaker 1: to get into the playoffs or anything.

558
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Speaker 2: A good team.

559
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Speaker 4: I get that, but I just think, you know, again,

560
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Speaker 4: he could be in that situation where he's thirty three

561
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 4: or thirty four and he's like, you know what, now

562
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 4: is the time to go? And then you know you're

563
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Speaker 4: just at the sort of on the on the downslope.

564
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Speaker 2: Yeah career, Yeah, yeah, So all right, okay, I'd like

565
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Speaker 2: to see him.

566
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Speaker 4: I would like to see him with you know, just

567
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Speaker 4: another situation to see if it would change.

568
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Speaker 1: Tass, you agree with Lee with Lillard? Do you got

569
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Speaker 1: somebody else in mind?

570
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Speaker 3: Well, I know we like talking about the stars. I

571
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Speaker 3: think dam yeah is going to get at least a

572
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Speaker 3: full year with Chauncey Billups to see if that defense

573
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Speaker 3: can can tick up from twenty ninth in the NBA

574
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Speaker 3: because they had the second best offense last year. If

575
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Speaker 3: you have a respectable defense, then damn your top four

576
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 3: in the Western Conference again. Then you got a shot,

577
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 3: so I think Dame stays for the year. I think

578
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Speaker 3: Bradley Beal, even though I thought there was a there

579
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Speaker 3: was a hope, there was a there was a little

580
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 3: kindling for a Beal for Simmons trade, that ain't gonna

581
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Speaker 3: happen this year. I think Bill's going to stick around

582
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,879
Speaker 3: for a year because he can get paid five years

583
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,199
Speaker 3: two thirty five next offseason by the Washington Wizards. I

584
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,440
Speaker 3: think he's gonna take that. So I think he'll stick around.

585
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Speaker 3: Even if Russell Westbrook pushed him to request a trade

586
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 3: alongside Westbrook this offseason, which is a Bonker's report, we

587
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 3: don't talk about it at all. The Westbrook said, hey, Bill,

588
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 3: let's both, let's both demand a trade, and Bial said, no, man,

589
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:41,919
Speaker 3: you do it. So I think they get peasy.

590
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 2: You go first.

591
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:44,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you go first. I'll do it in

592
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 3: a year when I signed my big daddy. All right,

593
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 3: So so just chill out. I'm gonna go. Everybody's talking

594
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 3: about the superstars. A good article on the Athletic going

595
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 3: through those two and Ben Simmons, uh and Kyrie irving

596
00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 3: through with all the big the big type at the Athletic,

597
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:05,400
Speaker 3: all the big names at the athletics. So those guys

598
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,119
Speaker 3: big pipers Aldridge.

599
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 6: Ridge, Amick, Collander, big four. I want I want an athletic.

600
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Speaker 2: Shirt that says big typers as.

601
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:19,119
Speaker 3: Like Hollander, Stroking m Keys. What did you say, Lee?

602
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Speaker 4: Did you say that? Yeah? Ben Simmons update this morning

603
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 4: on the athletic What was it on the slack?

604
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 3: On the slacker? Yeah, I'm gonna have to open that up.

605
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 1: It was something different though, right, Lee, I can't remember

606
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Speaker 1: off the top of my head.

607
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Speaker 3: Oh Kay, where are you going anyway? Yeah, let's go

608
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Speaker 3: down and wrong. I think we talked you mentioned there.

609
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 3: Buddy Healed was basically trading the off season for Russell

610
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,440
Speaker 3: Westbrook before Westbrook went to l A. The Kings had

611
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,200
Speaker 3: a deal on the table. And he's a guy who

612
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,360
Speaker 3: hasn't fit. He is in his late twenties now twenty eight.

613
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:51,399
Speaker 3: If he is twenty eight and uh that that that

614
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 3: ship is definitely sailed. There's going to be a package

615
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 3: for him somewhere. He's a great shooter in today's NBA.

616
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 3: Someone will definitely take a chance on him. A decent

617
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:05,640
Speaker 3: car track. They've drafted Tyrese Haliburn and Davion Mitchell nickname

618
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 3: off Night because he plays defense so great, great nickname,

619
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Speaker 3: and they have danon Fox. I think Buddy is he

620
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 3: was almost traded. It's it's it's not part of the

621
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,160
Speaker 3: future plans to have Buddy heel there. I am out.

622
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:21,479
Speaker 3: Even though that team everybody zero zero zero, as you said, Skeets,

623
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 3: even that team, he can be a little optimistic about

624
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 3: that squad as well. They've got some working parts to

625
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 3: be a really good offense with Rashaan Holmes. So Buddy

626
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 3: I don't know where he goes that Sixers offer for

627
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 3: as as the main part of the Ben Simmons trade.

628
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,199
Speaker 3: I mean, if you get Tyre's Aliburton, you probably do

629
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 3: it if you're the Sixers, but I don't. I don't

630
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 3: see why Sacramento would include both those guys. So Buddy

631
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 3: will be sent somewhere in the next few months.

632
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Speaker 2: Trey, where are you going with this one?

633
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Speaker 5: I'm more in the task realm of players who could

634
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 5: be traded, and it is a little bit uh Simmons

635
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,239
Speaker 5: influenced as well. If he goes to the Pacers, if

636
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 5: it's a Brogden LeVert and Pick sort of deal, I

637
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 5: think Miles Turner will have to be traded, because how

638
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 5: could you roll out a lineup with Simmons, Sibonis and

639
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 5: Miles Turner. And I don't think Sibonis would be the

640
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,160
Speaker 5: guy to go, being a two time All star there

641
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 5: with the Pacers, we've seen a clogged lane as maybe

642
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 5: not the most ideal scenario for a Ben Simmons team,

643
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 5: And obviously Sibonis likes to operate in the paint. Miles

644
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 5: Turner he tries to stretch it out a little bit,

645
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,400
Speaker 5: but I don't think that his growth offensively has been

646
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,880
Speaker 5: enough to keep him around just for his defense.

647
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Speaker 6: And that would be a very tall lineup.

648
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 5: But if if Simmons somehow ends up on the Pacers,

649
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 5: Turner's got to end up somebody somewhere else.

650
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 1: All right, Our next question here to keep it moving,

651
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 1: did along Ben Simmons talk there? Who wins the Western

652
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: Conference tests?

653
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 2: Where are you going with this?

654
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 1: Can you talk yourself into you know, four or five

655
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: six teams that could realistically do this?

656
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 2: Or is it a shorter list to you?

657
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 3: It's a real, real long list. I think it's a

658
00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 3: there's legitimate you know, a few teams anyways, but Kers

659
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 3: are right up there as far as the best odds.

660
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 3: Go h You know, people love talking about the Lakers,

661
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 3: but if I'm the Utah Jazz, I'm a little peeved.

662
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 3: Why shouldn't they be the number one have the best odds? Because, yeah,

663
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 3: the Lakers have the best odds. Then it's the Warriors,

664
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 3: Then it's the Suns and the Clippers alongside the Jazz

665
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 3: tied with the Clippers there for the best odds, and

666
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 3: then there's the Nuggets, Mavericks, Trailblazers. After that, I think

667
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 3: the Jazz should be number one with the bullet The

668
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 3: Lakers definitely were right up there with the Utah Jazz

669
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 3: before they got there. Basically, the real big players got

670
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 3: injured and then the Jazz pulled away and won the

671
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 3: one seed. The Lakers will definitely be healthier this year,

672
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 3: but even though they.

673
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 2: Are not off to a great start.

674
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 3: Though, no, no, and yeah, Russell Westbrook never gets off

675
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 3: to great starts. The last couple of seasons with Washington

676
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 3: turned it on the second half, with Houston year before

677
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 3: that turned it on in the second half. So there

678
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 3: was a a stream team or yesterday that wanted to

679
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 3: talk about Russell Westbrook's turnover ratio in the preseason, not

680
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 3: gonna do that. However, I think it'll bleed. I think

681
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 3: it'll bleed into the regular season. I think Russ will

682
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 3: start poorly. And even though that team is healthier, you know,

683
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 3: Lebron and ad that definitely benefited from a long offseason

684
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 3: and they've got a workhorse in Russell Westbrook to get

685
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 3: them to the postseason healthy. Is their defense gonna be solid?

686
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 3: You know, losing KCP and Ox Caruso could be a factor.

687
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 3: You've got hort and Tucker just got injured as well.

688
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 3: He's gonna have surgery. So the Jazz know who they are.

689
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 3: The Lakers do not. And I think if you look

690
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 3: at that Jazz team, Trey talked about Rudy Gay being

691
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 3: added to that team. If you look at those odds,

692
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 3: you think they must have lost a player. They were

693
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 3: the number one seed last year and now they've dropped

694
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 3: to the fifth best odds, but they did not. The

695
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 3: bench is stronger. So I would definitely put money on

696
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 3: the Utah Jazz, even if it's not the sexy pick.

697
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 3: And everybody wants to talk about the Lakers and the

698
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 3: Warriors and such.

699
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's the other way to ask this question.

700
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 3: Lee.

701
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 1: It is Are the Lakers going to be good? Are

702
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: they going to be the number one team in the

703
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 1: Western Conference? Are they going to run away with this?

704
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 1: Like the odds say? You know, tast said it. Horton Tucker,

705
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: who signed a nice deal, three year, thirty two million

706
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 1: dollar extension for them, A youthful player. They got a

707
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 1: lot of old guys, but they went with him sort

708
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: of over Caruso. But he's out here with the I

709
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: guess torn ligaments there in his right thumb. And Trevor

710
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: Ariza an old guy, but a guy that can, at

711
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 1: least maybe in theory, give you a little defense. He's

712
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: going to be out for a couple of months with

713
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 1: surgery on his ankle. Are you a believer in this

714
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: big three? With the Lakers of Lebron ad and then

715
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: Westbrook and then again a bunch of minimum deals with

716
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: your with your your nun and Monk and Baysmore and

717
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: Mellow and stuff like that.

718
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 2: What do you think about this team?

719
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, Lebron and ID just make you believe that

720
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 4: they're do. I think they win the West, but they're

721
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 4: obviously top four because when you're on the court and

722
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 4: you've got two of those great players out there. They're

723
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 4: still good. But I don't really like their offseason. I

724
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 4: don't really think they improved. In fact, I think, as

725
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 4: you allude to there with KCP and Kuz mcgaun, you know,

726
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 4: role players who really understood what they had to do

727
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 4: and fit it into what they're doing. Trevor Isa being

728
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 4: out as a blessing in disguise. He was absolutely awful

729
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 4: for the Heat in the playoffs last year. They're not

730
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 4: going to miss him. He's washed, he's pasted it, and

731
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 4: he's been a great player throughout his career, but he's

732
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 4: no longer that player. He can't give you anything defensively.

733
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 4: Maybe he can knock in a three anyway. Move on,

734
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 4: they get Dwight, they get Rondo. These guys were good

735
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 4: for them when they won the championship, you know last year,

736
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 4: I think, almost a year ago to the day. But

737
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 4: I just don't think that's an upgrader as to what

738
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 4: they had. But of course, look Lebron coming off an

739
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 4: injury last season and Ad as well, they're obviously going

740
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 4: to be back healthy and ready to go. So as

741
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 4: long as those two guys stay healthy, then the Lakers

742
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 4: are as probably as good a chance as anyone else

743
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 4: in the Western Conference. I don't have them as favorite,

744
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 4: though I would probably have steal the Jazz. I mean,

745
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 4: that's another dis pointing end to their playoff season. But

746
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 4: that regular season team is very deep, very well coached,

747
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 4: great defense, you know, well balanced, they shoot the three.

748
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 4: So I can see the Jazz just racking up enough

749
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 4: wins to win the Western Conference. The interesting thing will.

750
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: Be if John whole lot are two different things. Winning

751
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 1: the Western Conference in terms of standings of the season

752
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: and then winning the Western Conference in terms of the playoffs. Well,

753
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: these odds are for the playoffs. It's not just to

754
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: have the best record in the West.

755
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 4: Oh okay, Well, I actually I believe interpreted it as

756
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 4: just winning the sort of regular season Number one is

757
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 4: That's that's the way I looked at it. I mean,

758
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 4: so yeah, I think I mean the Warriors. The Warriors

759
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 4: seem pretty high to me as well there, and I

760
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 4: would I would say, like I say, I think the

761
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 4: Jazz are probably my favorite. And then the Nuggets showed

762
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 4: that even without Jamal Murray, even though they got swept

763
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 4: in that second round by Phoenix, they were still a

764
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 4: pretty good team there. And if he can come back

765
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 4: at some point and give them some punch. I think

766
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 4: that's great for them. And of course the Phoenix Suns.

767
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 4: I mean, there's there's no reason for me to believe

768
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,959
Speaker 4: they can't be pretty close to what they were last year.

769
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 4: And Chris Paul came back with a big contract, you

770
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 4: expect Booker and Eton to improve. DeAndre and hasn't signed

771
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 4: I believe his big deal. There yet some haggling going

772
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,879
Speaker 4: on there, But otherwise, I think what we saw they've

773
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,240
Speaker 4: got a good mix of experience and the young players.

774
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 4: Their campaigns coming back, he was very good for them

775
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 4: off the bench. So my pick is the Jazz. But again,

776
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 4: if Lebron and Anthony Dave's a healthy come playoff time

777
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 4: that may not have doesn't really matter. As we've seen

778
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 4: from Lebron in the past once he can turn it on,

779
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 4: but he's thirty seven this year, so at some point

780
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 4: he has to slow down, doesn't he Surely wow.

781
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 6: Season he did. I mean he went down with an

782
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 6: injury for the well a long time.

783
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 4: Right, I mean, though his production when he's actually out

784
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 4: on the court, like you figure it, he has to

785
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 4: I mean it's crazy. I mean, but then Ronaldo's over

786
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:47,839
Speaker 4: in man United, and he scored five goals in his

787
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 4: first five games. He's thirty six, So maybe these guys

788
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 4: will just play forever. Who knows.

789
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, it'll be it'll be fascinating to see if the

790
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: Lakers get off to a slow start Trey, if the

791
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: sky is falling immediately with Leakers fans or at least

792
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: just the media and like, uh oh, like we've seen

793
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: this before when they thought they were doing it with

794
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: like with Nash and Kobe and Dwight and like, oh

795
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 1: here we go again.

796
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 2: But maybe not.

797
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 1: Maybe people won't pan it because Lebron gets that pass

798
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 1: and he deserves it, I believe at this point of

799
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,399
Speaker 1: his career, Like, Okay, we don't really care if we're

800
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: you know, ten and two to start the season. Talk

801
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 1: to me when we get to the playoffs. But what

802
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:23,800
Speaker 1: what do you think about winning the Western Conference?

803
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 2: Are you?

804
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 1: Are you high on a lot of teams, like the

805
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,439
Speaker 1: possibility of winning fifty games? Like is it six seven

806
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 1: teams that could do it if they break right?

807
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 6: It seems to be a flatter Western Conference.

808
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 5: There could be several fifty win teams, but I think

809
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 5: three teams have a chance of advancing to the NBA finals.

810
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 5: I think it's the Jazz, the Suns, and the Lakers.

811
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 5: Just a quick follow up yesterday, I said that I

812
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 5: thought Rudy Gober and Rudy Gay would be the first

813
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 5: Rudy Rudy.

814
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 6: Combo in NBA history. Neil Buono nel Bo.

815
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 5: Bono Factoids right here told us in this in the

816
00:35:56,520 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 5: comments yesterday. Rudy tom Janovic and Rudy White teammates for

817
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 5: the Rockets from seventy five to eighty, so it'll be

818
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 5: the second Rudy Rudy combo.

819
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 6: Thanks for that one, Neil, But I don't know.

820
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 5: I've been trying to talk myself into the Jazz go

821
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 5: into the finals basically with the same case that the

822
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 5: Bucks had last year. You know, the Bucks had two

823
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 5: great regular seasons. They came into last regular season and

824
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 5: they were kind of an afterthought because we'd seen them

825
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 5: flame out in the playoffs a couple of times. And

826
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 5: I think that that is the pitch for the Jazz

827
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 5: this year. Not a lot of pressure right now. We

828
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 5: just want to see you perform in the playoffs. The

829
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 5: difference there's no Yannis on the Utah Jazz. Donovan Mitchell

830
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 5: has been awesome anytime he's gotten to the playoffs, but

831
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 5: I don't think he's on Giannis's level. No offense to

832
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 5: Donovan Mitchell and Jazz fans. For me, I'm gonna go

833
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 5: with the Lakers. I'm not super enthused about it, but

834
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 5: it's basically a bet on Anthony Davis being Bubble Anthony

835
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 5: Davis when he was the second best player in the

836
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 5: league during those playoffs and his willingness to play small

837
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 5: ball five was a difference. And you know, he's just

838
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,359
Speaker 5: the basic, basically impossible matchup for anybody else that would

839
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 5: try and guard him. When the Lakers acquired Westbrook, it

840
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 5: was kind of a given that AD had fallen into

841
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 5: line of saying, yeah, I'm gonna have to play a

842
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 5: lot of five this year for us to be at

843
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 5: our best, to give that space for Lebron and Westbrook

844
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 5: to be living in the lane. I do think that

845
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 5: it is not a coincidence that the Bucks and the Lakers,

846
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 5: our last two champions, are two teams that were dominant inside,

847
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 5: and I think that they can be that sort of

848
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 5: team again this year. The Lakers can just with Westbrook

849
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 5: and Lebron and Ad getting to the lane, finishing at

850
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 5: the rim, playing in transition, and yeah, I think it'll

851
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 5: probably be a slow start. Westbrook's teams take a little

852
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 5: bit of time to adjust to him. Lebron, we know,

853
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 5: is not going to be panicked going into the playoffs

854
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 5: as a four seed. But I think the Lakers will

855
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,919
Speaker 5: want to be top four or better seed this year

856
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:50,879
Speaker 5: compared to last season when they had to go through

857
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:52,879
Speaker 5: the play in tournament and then an injury went down

858
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 5: and next thing you know, they were losing to the Suns.

859
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 5: So yeah, for me, it's the Lakers. But you know,

860
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 5: not an enthused Lakers pick. Here, more of a default

861
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 5: Lakers pick. They seem to have the most talent, and

862
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,760
Speaker 5: they do have Lebron, and when all other things are equal,

863
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:10,919
Speaker 5: I'm gonna side with Lebron most of the time.

864
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would sort of agree with that. I mean,

865
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: if everybody remains healthy, I feel very confident that the

866
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 1: Lakers Sons in Jazz are like three of the better

867
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: teams in the Western Conference. You know that again is

868
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 1: outside of like Chris Paul going down with a bad injury,

869
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 1: or a Lebron or you know, or a Donovan Mitchell

870
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:29,879
Speaker 1: like at the end of last year for the Jazz

871
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:31,439
Speaker 1: or something like that, Like those are going to be really,

872
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: really good regular season teams. I would think, even if

873
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 1: it takes the Lakers a little bit of time to

874
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,879
Speaker 1: figure it out. The other teams that I think could

875
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: be flirting with fifty wins, like the Mavericks, I mean,

876
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 1: Porzingis is a huge question mark with them. The Nuggets

877
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,320
Speaker 1: is an injury that is actually happening right now with

878
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 1: Jamal Murray and when he returns and how he looks,

879
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,760
Speaker 1: and can Michael Porter Junior go next level? The Warriors,

880
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 1: of course, you got the whole Klay Thompson question. When

881
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,800
Speaker 1: does he come back? How does he look? The Clippers

882
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: Kawhi Leonard, he probably isn't gonna play at all. There's

883
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: still a decent team. I mean, is Paul George gonna

884
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 1: do like a Are we gonna be like I have

885
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: a feeling like within the first three or four weeks, Lee,

886
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 1: We're gonna have Paul George at the MVP table. I

887
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 1: got this like a my gut says, for a little

888
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: short window, we'll be like WHOA Clippers are? Clippers are

889
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 1: right there? This is all Paul George. He's doing this

890
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: again like you did in Indiana. I think it's in play.

891
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: And then the Blazers, as we've talked about, you got

892
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 1: Damian Lillard. You're gonna have an awesome offense. It's just

893
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:25,919
Speaker 1: like Curry and the Warriors. It's like, can they.

894
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,399
Speaker 2: Get that defense cranked up a little bit? But they could.

895
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 6: I could.

896
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,359
Speaker 1: I could see them flirting with fifty wins as well,

897
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: not all of these eight teams that I just listed

898
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: at once, but easily it could break right for all

899
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 1: eight of those teams. And then I think I'm still

900
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 1: high on the Grizzlies even being in the in the

901
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: mix there when it comes to the playoffs. So yeah,

902
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 1: I don't feel great about like the Lakers. I'm with you,

903
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 1: Trey as like a yep. See in the finals they'll

904
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 1: be taking on the nets or the Bucks.

905
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 2: Come well, what are we back on the normal schedule? Yeah,

906
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 2: I don't feel great about that.

907
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 4: So yeah, they clip his They are a good one.

908
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 4: They're in a good position right now. Again, they're kind

909
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 4: of being overlooked a little bit, I think because of

910
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 4: the Kui injury. But remember they knocked the Jazz out

911
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:10,240
Speaker 4: after Kawhi went down, and they played the Suns really well.

912
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 4: If it wasn't for a couple of free throws there,

913
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 4: things could have been different. I think Paul George was incredible.

914
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:18,359
Speaker 4: I think Tyleru is a fantastic coach for that team

915
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,320
Speaker 4: as well. So yeah, I think the Clippers could almost

916
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 4: be a bit of a surprise to some teams for

917
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 4: some people this season and finish certainly pretty close to

918
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 4: that fifty wins, even if Kawhi doesn't play.

919
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:29,359
Speaker 2: We will see.

920
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: All right, let's take our first break. We got lots

921
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: more questions here still on part two of our NBA

922
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 1: season preview, but we.

923
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 2: Got to pay the bills.

924
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 1: Okay, back to our questions in part two of our

925
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 1: season preview series all week long here. Next one it

926
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:47,280
Speaker 1: is another awards question tasks you get a started Rookie

927
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 1: of the Year, who's your best bet to win ROI

928
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 1: and I'll throw up the odds for you. There are

929
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: tassy too, if you want to LEAs some coin down

930
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: who you like.

931
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 3: Well, we had a great rookie class last year. I'm

932
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 3: prepared to be tiny bit disappointed, I guess after LaMelo

933
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 3: and Anthony Edwards put on a show last year. But

934
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 3: I don't think I will be because I mentioned it yesterday,

935
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 3: Up and Down at the top of this class. These

936
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 3: guys show that they are ready for the moment, especially

937
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 3: Jalen Green of the Houston Rockets at the number two

938
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:20,439
Speaker 3: pick number two odds. As far as the betting goes

939
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 3: on bet MGM. Ky Cunningham is number one, But I

940
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 3: think Jalen Green and the way he scores the ball. Again,

941
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:31,919
Speaker 3: I'm a college and a G League newbie. I don't

942
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 3: know how these guys played before they got to the NBA,

943
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:36,959
Speaker 3: but as soon as Jalen Green got the Summer League,

944
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 3: that guy could score from anywhere. If he sees a

945
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 3: little crack, that guy is going for it. He is

946
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 3: exciting to watch he gets up there. I think he'll

947
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 3: have a bit of the Anthony Edwards poll. Like last

948
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 3: year Anthony Edwards had that monster dunk on Utah Watson nominated.

949
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 4: How many three points did he have in that game?

950
00:41:56,280 --> 00:42:06,800
Speaker 7: Nine tests, seventh, Yeah, he's one for seven, oh for seven,

951
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 7: something like that.

952
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 3: Ye come on, Nate anyway, Yeah, Jalen Green is going

953
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 3: to be exciting. But it's not just he's He's going

954
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 3: to get the ball in Houston because they're a bad team.

955
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 3: And John Wall another guy we didn't talk about as

956
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 3: a guy who could get traded. John wall is sitting

957
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 3: out right now for the Houston Rockets until he gets traded.

958
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:25,760
Speaker 3: So Jaalen Green is gonna have a lot of opportunity.

959
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 3: But I think it's the ability. I mean is it's

960
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 3: a nice combination of opportunity and ability because he's just

961
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 3: good if the lane gets cut off, Like I said this,

962
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 3: when when their space, he goes and gets it. But

963
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 3: if it gets cut off, he can he's got to

964
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 3: turn around. Jay. I think he is just a machine

965
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 3: out there. It's it's evident this guy can can put

966
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 3: the ball in the hole and it's not just going

967
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 3: to be empty stats. But you know, the Rockets are

968
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 3: going to stink, there's no doubt about that. But they

969
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 3: you know, they have a little bit of a gravity

970
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 3: with Christian Wood, and I think that's going to help

971
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,399
Speaker 3: Jalen Green get some shots off. So I think it's

972
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 3: going to be a well earned ROI for for Jalen Green.

973
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, when it comes to this award tray, usually

974
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 1: if you got buckets, you got a good chance to

975
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 1: take this. Do you agree with Tass? Is it Jalen

976
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: Green or is it the other Jalen or somebody else.

977
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: I think you're right.

978
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 5: It's usually the case Skeets, but that was not the

979
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 5: case last year, and I'll see this playing out the

980
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 5: exact same way. I think Jalen Green will lead all

981
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 5: rookies in scoring. I think he will have the high

982
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 5: flying highlights. He'll be Anthony Edwards. Last year he finished

983
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 5: second and Rookie of the Year voting to LaMelo Ball,

984
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 5: who had more of an effect on his team, and

985
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 5: I think that's gonna be the case for Kaid Cunningham.

986
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 5: He's the favorite for Rookie of the Year unless you're

987
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:36,839
Speaker 5: an NBA GM responding to a John Shumans survey, then

988
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 5: he comes in second.

989
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:39,359
Speaker 6: But I think Cad is gonna be the guy.

990
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,240
Speaker 5: He probably, you know, will probably finish second in scoring

991
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,720
Speaker 5: to Jalen Green, but he'll do all the other stuff

992
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 5: as well, assisting and getting some more defensive plays. I think,

993
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 5: you know, Jalen Green is going to be perhaps the

994
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 5: more exciting rookie, which will certainly draw him some eyeballs.

995
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 5: But I think Caid Cunningham is going to show why

996
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 5: he was been number one pick lee.

997
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 2: Where you go with this one, You're going to make

998
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 2: a case for your guy Josh.

999
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 4: Giddy number six pick. Yeah starting, Yeah, yeah he probably

1000
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,720
Speaker 4: will be. Yeah, they simply won't win enough games. Although

1001
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 4: that doesn't Yeah, none.

1002
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 1: Of these guys keening going to win a time with

1003
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 1: the trade. Jealen's not going to win a time with Houston.

1004
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 1: The other Jealin's a not going to win a time

1005
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 1: with the Magic. I mean, yeah, maybe Skuty Barnes helps

1006
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 1: her after his win more games than some people think.

1007
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:24,320
Speaker 4: But well, look, I hope it's Kay Cunningham because for

1008
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 4: the Pistons to get the number one pick after fifty years,

1009
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 4: you'd want that guy to have an impact from the start.

1010
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 4: So he's in a good spot. You know he's going

1011
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 4: to start, He's going to get a lot of the

1012
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 4: ball and score a lot. The guy I'm really intrigued by,

1013
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 4: I don't think he can win it simply because he's

1014
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:37,720
Speaker 4: too deep on the depth chart is davy On Mitchell

1015
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,800
Speaker 4: in Sacramento had six threes just last night in Portland.

1016
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 4: Because what I love about him he plays defense, this guy,

1017
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 4: and he's got a really nice looking shot on him,

1018
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 4: so I think he can actually have an impact. But

1019
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 4: you know in that he's listed as a point gud

1020
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 4: he's only small, he's only six foot, but he's a strong,

1021
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 4: tough little guy. But he's obviously going to behind Darren

1022
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 4: de Aaron Fox firstly, and then probably Tyre's Halliburton as well,

1023
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 4: and then you got Buddy Heeled there in the back.

1024
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 4: I'm not sure there'll be enough minutes for him, but

1025
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 4: I sort of have a feeling that this is the

1026
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 4: guy that the Kings probably want to try to squeeze

1027
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 4: in some minutes for because he's shown already he seems

1028
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 4: to be one of those guys who's ready to go.

1029
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 4: So we'll see. But my pick is Cunningham, and like

1030
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 4: I say, I just I just kind of hope he

1031
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 4: does it, because for the Pistons, it's a it's a

1032
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 4: city that doesn't attract a lot of free agents, so

1033
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 4: when you get that number one pick, you really have

1034
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 4: to hope that you nail it and have a star

1035
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 4: in the making.

1036
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 1: From day one, I have a good feeling that this

1037
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:30,399
Speaker 1: is going to be one of these Rookie of Year

1038
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 1: rass where it's sort of like every couple of weeks

1039
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 1: it changes a little bit because I am high on

1040
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 1: a lot of these guys, like all the guys we've

1041
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 1: named you know, mobile included a booknight. I think with

1042
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 1: the Hornets can get an opportunity there and and maybe

1043
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 1: fill it up a bit. And Trey Murphy the Third,

1044
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: not to be confused with Trey Kirby or Troy Murphy exactly,

1045
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 1: or Trey Burke the third, but.

1046
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 2: Trey Murphy the third. He's a Pelican's forward.

1047
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 1: Maybe a lot of you don't know much about him,

1048
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,280
Speaker 1: like I didn't coming out of school. He played at Virginia,

1049
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: but he played great at Summer League, if you want

1050
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 1: to put in he's talking to that. He was on

1051
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: the All Summer League team. He just filled up the

1052
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 1: box score sixteen seven and three, two steals, a block

1053
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 1: and a half per game on hilarious shooting splits of

1054
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,879
Speaker 1: fifty six, forty four and one hundred perfect at the line, Leley,

1055
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 1: I know you'll love to see that in Summer League.

1056
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: He's played all right here in preseason and he just

1057
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 1: like makes sense as a like a shooter on a

1058
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:22,359
Speaker 1: team around Zion Williamson as a big guy.

1059
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 2: He's gonna get an opportunity.

1060
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 1: Willie Green just keeps talking him up, like let it fly,

1061
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 1: a kid, you know, like how about it so you know,

1062
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna have some big scoring nights. I

1063
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 1: don't think he's gonna win Rookie the year. I guess

1064
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: he'd be like a sleeper pick for me or a

1065
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 1: wild card pick for me in this because I think

1066
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 1: it will be one of like the top five or

1067
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:39,879
Speaker 1: six picks of the draft. But you know, going down

1068
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:43,360
Speaker 1: at seventeenth, I think he he could be making an

1069
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: All Rookie second.

1070
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 2: Team or something like that at the end of the year.

1071
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 1: He's just like you keep an eye on him. He's

1072
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 1: he's gonna play pretty well there. I think in the

1073
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 1: Pelicans they need him to Tassa to have a guy again.

1074
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Speaker 1: They got Valencunis, who is can stretch the floor more

1075
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 1: than a Steven Adams ever could. But again, he's not

1076
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 1: like Klay Thompson out there. So long as ion and

1077
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 1: a Brandon Ingram, you need some shooting and as a

1078
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 1: bigger guy, I think you can do that.

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00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 3: How many All rookie teams are you going to pick

1080
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 3: at the end of the season all NBA teams last

1081
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 3: year players?

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00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 2: You want me to do five All rookie teams?

1083
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:15,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we can do that.

1084
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll do that. At the end of the season,

1085
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 2: get creative and fill fill some blocks. Some of the

1086
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 2: games start to matter less and less.

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00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 1: Okay, let's hear from everybody out there with that one,

1088
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: of course, rookie of the year, Who do you like

1089
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 1: taking it?

1090
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:29,439
Speaker 2: And why?

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Speaker 1: Let us know in the stream team right now, let

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00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 1: us know in the YouTube comments or tweet at us

1093
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 1: at no dunk sink? Okay, our next one? Uh oh,

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00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 1: it's always gets us in trouble. Most overrated team or

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00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:44,439
Speaker 1: player if you want to heading into the season, Trey,

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Speaker 1: who's overrated in your mind?

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00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:46,359
Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 5: I got to pop these odds up again real quick here, skeats,

1099
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:53,720
Speaker 5: because the Clippers having being tied for the fourth best

1100
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 5: odds in the Western Conference is much too high for me.

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00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 5: I know you guys are talking them up as a

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Speaker 5: potential fifty team. I'm with you on Paul George having

1103
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 5: a great season. I think you can pencil him in

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Speaker 5: as a second team All NBA.

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00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 6: Player this season. He's gonna be great, There's no doubt

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00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 6: about that.

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Speaker 5: He was awesome in the playoffs last year, obviously carrying

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00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,720
Speaker 5: the Clippers once Kawhi Leonard went down. But unfortunately Kawhi

1109
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 5: is still down for this season. It's not likely that

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Speaker 5: he comes back because he got injured late in the

1111
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 5: playoffs last year, and it's Kawhi Leonard in the first place,

1112
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 5: so you know he's gonna be very careful with his health.

1113
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:32,799
Speaker 5: And that leads the Clippers as a very very shallow team,

1114
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 5: especially coming into the season with Serge Ibaka already banged up,

1115
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 5: so they're missing two of their top seven. Then you're

1116
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 5: reaching for guys like hopefully Eric Bledsoe produces, and hopefully

1117
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:45,839
Speaker 5: Justice Winslow is able to actually put together a little

1118
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 5: bit of an NBA career here, and Luke Canard, he

1119
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 5: struggled for the most part of the regular season last year,

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Speaker 5: had some moments in the playoffs for sure. Now that

1121
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:58,359
Speaker 5: Clippers need him to be a huge part of their team.

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Speaker 5: Small ball works in the playoff, they could definitely be

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Speaker 5: a big time playoff upset team, I think. And that's

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00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 5: even if Kauie Leonard doesn't come backward. But you can't

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Speaker 5: just play seven guys for the entirety of a regular

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Speaker 5: season and hope to have a guy carry the entire time.

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Speaker 5: I just think it's going to be too big of

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Speaker 5: a left for Paul George all.

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Speaker 1: Right, Lee, let's go to you next. Who's an overrated

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Speaker 1: team or player?

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Speaker 4: Well, again, based off those odds, seeing the Warriors there

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00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 4: as the second best team in the West seems just

1133
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 4: a little high, little premature for me. Now, Look, Steph

1134
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 4: was fantastic last year. He led the league in scoring,

1135
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 4: was an MVP candidate, of course, and Draymond I expect

1136
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 4: to be better again, and Clay coming back is obviously

1137
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 4: huge for them, But I'm just not quite sure I

1138
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 4: would have them that high in the West right now.

1139
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 4: I think they're a little bit closer because remember last

1140
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 4: year they only made the you know, the playing tournament

1141
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 4: as such against the Lakers there, and I just don't

1142
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 4: think they can quite elevate themselves to that level yet.

1143
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 4: And maybe I'll be proved wrong because Clay's missed effectively

1144
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:58,359
Speaker 4: two seasons, you know, and as a shooter, he's going

1145
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 4: to be you know, all he has to do is

1146
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 4: go back to what he was doing, was just shooting.

1147
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 4: He's maybe, you know, one of the grays we've ever seen,

1148
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 4: so I think he certainly improves that team's offense. But

1149
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 4: I just sort of want to see them out on

1150
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:10,919
Speaker 4: the court first before I could be convinced that they're

1151
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:13,359
Speaker 4: as good as based on those odds, the second best

1152
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 4: team in the West. I think they're probably closer to

1153
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 4: you know, four or five and maybe better, but wouldn't

1154
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 4: have them at number two right now. But I also

1155
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:24,319
Speaker 4: think that in years gone by, we haven't had maybe

1156
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 4: quite so many teams who really could, if things break right,

1157
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 4: finish top of the West. We just you know, just

1158
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 4: talking about it. Then the Lakers are the favorite, and

1159
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 4: then you got the teams like the Jazz and the

1160
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:34,360
Speaker 4: Nuggets and those sorts of teams and the Suns that

1161
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:36,879
Speaker 4: could all really finish the top. So I think it's

1162
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:39,720
Speaker 4: good that it's pretty open there in the Western Conference,

1163
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 4: and so perhaps the Warrior is good sneak up there,

1164
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Speaker 4: but I wouldn't have them that high today.

1165
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Speaker 1: I'll piggyback off your pick there are the Warriors to

1166
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:49,720
Speaker 1: pick a player that's a little overrated heading into the season.

1167
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 1: And I'll set this up by letting everybody know that

1168
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 1: we shared it after yesterday's show on Twitter. I think

1169
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 1: we did it in our YouTube sort of community channel too,

1170
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Speaker 1: MVP Picks, because that was the number one question that

1171
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 1: we tackled on yesterday's part one show, you know, we

1172
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 1: had guys taking a Yokich task said why couldn't he

1173
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:11,359
Speaker 1: run it back? And I'm saying, embiid And we got

1174
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 1: other star players, of course, And so we got a

1175
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 1: bunch of responses from people that are like, Hey, what

1176
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 1: about so and so?

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00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 2: What about so and so?

1178
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 1: That's fine, you know, like what about Yannis doing it?

1179
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 1: What about Lillard? What about all Curry? Like and they're like, okay, yeah,

1180
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 1: And then there was one saying, and this is my

1181
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 1: pick for overrated player right now.

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00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 2: What about Jordan Pool. I know this person is probably.

1183
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:38,240
Speaker 1: Kidding, but man, have you guys seen how much Jordan

1184
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 1: Poole Love is going around right now from Warriors Nation?

1185
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 1: And he's killing it and apparently his confidence is sky high,

1186
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 1: just like everybody else is with this kid. He's averaging

1187
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 1: twenty five points per game. I think here in these

1188
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 1: three preseason games, he's like, he's really lighting it up,

1189
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 1: hit some deep bombs, looking great playing alongside Curry. But

1190
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 1: holy moly, let's slow down a little bit. I've seen

1191
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 1: him like, well, that was the first I've seen him

1192
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 1: included in.

1193
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 2: The MVP discussion.

1194
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 1: But a lot of most improved talk and stuff like that,

1195
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:07,720
Speaker 1: and maybe I'll be proven wrong. I just think, Wow,

1196
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 1: we're going a little overboard from a couple of preseason

1197
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 1: games here, and we've done this before with other players.

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Speaker 1: So I'll just say Jordan Poole. I'm excited for him.

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Speaker 1: I think he is gonna be a good player in

1200
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 1: this league. I'm not gonna go in as far to

1201
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 1: say he's like the next Splash Brother, though I was

1202
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:26,360
Speaker 1: thinking about this. Tray got the Splash Brothers in Curry

1203
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 1: and Clay. When he comes back, this guy's name's Pool.

1204
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 1: That's great, and that's pretty good, like a cannonball crew

1205
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 1: or something like that. If he's suddenly like this third

1206
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 1: Splash Brother, there's something there. But I'll just like jokingly

1207
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 1: say Jordan Poole because I couldn't believe how many things

1208
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 1: I've read about him or I've heard about him tass.

1209
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 1: People are all in on Jordan Poole. But my overrated

1210
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 1: team to slip it in. I talked about it yesterday.

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00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 1: I think the Hawks are just people are going a

1212
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 1: little overboard on pencil and the Hawks in there for

1213
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 1: the third seed in the Eastern Conference.

1214
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:54,759
Speaker 2: That's just my opinion. I'd have him a little bit

1215
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:55,359
Speaker 2: lower task.

1216
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 3: What say you, though, M I think the Minnesota Timberwolves

1217
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 3: are a little overrated. Now. Maybe I'm just talking to

1218
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:05,879
Speaker 3: myself because I want to get behind Minnesota Timberwolves year

1219
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 3: after year after year. And maybe the fact that Karl

1220
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 3: Anthony Towns has come into camp absolutely ripped. As we're

1221
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 3: showing you here on YouTube.

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Speaker 6: One peloton dot com.

1223
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 2: This is he wearing a pair of all birds.

1224
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 6: It looks tough, bad.

1225
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, it looks great. He looks great, you know, and

1226
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 3: all the things he went through last year. Personally, you know,

1227
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 3: I want to get behind him. I want to see

1228
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:36,399
Speaker 3: Anthony Edwards grow. Everything that they had going on in

1229
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:40,920
Speaker 3: the UH, in the front office, with Gerson Rosas being

1230
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 3: fired this offseason. It's just a team that I kind

1231
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 3: of want to get behind. But even though I love

1232
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 3: all the j's that they have on their team, you

1233
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:51,879
Speaker 3: gotta Jaden, you gotta Jared, you gotta Jake, you gotta

1234
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,360
Speaker 3: go down the roster. There's so many J men on

1235
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 3: that team. I don't think those J men are going

1236
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 3: to be enough support for Kat and Anthony Edwards and

1237
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 3: D'Angelo Russell. I hope they will, because if you look

1238
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 3: at what they did last year, whin Karl Anthony Townsend

1239
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 3: D'Angel Russell were healthy twenty four games, thirteen and eleven.

1240
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 3: It's surprising. That's a surprising number for the Minnesota Timberwolves.

1241
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:16,840
Speaker 3: But it's just hard to get a little too high

1242
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 3: for them because, as we've said, with the Western Conference,

1243
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 3: it's kind of like last year, there's just not a

1244
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 3: lot of spots available. So i'd love if the NBA

1245
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 3: reseeded these teams one through sixteen because teams like the

1246
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:34,360
Speaker 3: New Orleans Pelicans with Zion Williamson, John Morant and the

1247
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 3: Memphis Grizzlies, they may be on the outside looking in

1248
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 3: along with the Timberwolves and the Kings. Just like last year,

1249
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 3: the Spurs are going to be better, So it's just

1250
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 3: going to be tough to get in because we're talking

1251
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 3: about teams like you know, Trey mentioned the Clippers. They're

1252
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 3: going to be solid. They may not be a fifty

1253
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 3: win team, but it'd be hard to keep them out

1254
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:53,359
Speaker 3: of the playoffs. So there's just there's no room. There's

1255
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 3: no room for a team like the Minnesota Timberwolves. It

1256
00:54:55,640 --> 00:55:00,919
Speaker 3: doesn't feel like but I hope at some point Karl

1257
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 3: Anthony Towns lives up to what gms around the league

1258
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 3: said about him. I think it was two years running

1259
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:10,319
Speaker 3: in that GM survey years ago that he was the

1260
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:14,360
Speaker 3: guy that you'd want to build around amongst all NBA players.

1261
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:16,919
Speaker 3: They selected him as the number one guy in year

1262
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 3: two and year three of his career. And now we've

1263
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:22,479
Speaker 3: been through six years of his career, and maybe those

1264
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 3: one Peloton dot Com abdominals will get him playing defense,

1265
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 3: because that's what's what it's about. It's about him leading

1266
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:32,359
Speaker 3: and he's ripped. He is absolutely ripped. Maybe he's bringing

1267
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:34,320
Speaker 3: a different attitude. Maybe this is the season.

1268
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Speaker 1: I don't know, is muscle watch still a thing? Laying

1269
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 1: Whitaker still doing that on Twitter? All these guys that

1270
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 1: have bulked up in the offseason tast we know for sure.

1271
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it was hot for a day.

1272
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Speaker 1: Okay, good because it looks like looks like Karl Anthony

1273
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 1: Towns is on there. He's looking fit, and I'm with you.

1274
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 1: I think so many people would love to see Towns

1275
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 1: like just have an awesome monster season, get back in

1276
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:02,319
Speaker 1: the just gushion of like you know, is he maybe

1277
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 1: one of the best young centers in the league again,

1278
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 1: along with like your yo kitchens and your embiids and

1279
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 1: stuff like that. Like not too long ago, Lee, he was,

1280
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 1: he was right there. So offensively, I know he's got

1281
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 1: a lot to work on still defensively, but he's he's

1282
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 1: an unbelievable talent for a guy his big on the

1283
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:19,320
Speaker 1: offensive side of the floor. So I'm I'm with you, Tasks,

1284
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Speaker 1: I'm I'm. I would love to see him just have

1285
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:23,920
Speaker 1: a monster year and maybe that does translate into some wins,

1286
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 1: and even if the Wolves in the final week of

1287
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 1: the season are like a chance to get into a

1288
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 1: play in tournament, I think would be a that well,

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Speaker 1: it'd be a good year for the Minnesota Timberwolves.

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Speaker 2: At that point.

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00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 4: You just want to see some sort of movement in

1292
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 4: the right direction there in Minnesota, because it's been pretty

1293
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:40,839
Speaker 4: pretty drill there for the last few years. I mean,

1294
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:43,920
Speaker 4: since they made the playoffs at one time that feels

1295
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 4: like it was forever agoing you thought then maybe they

1296
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 4: were turning the corner better. Instead, they took a lot

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00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 4: of steps backwards.

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Speaker 5: I've seen some Timberwolves fans say with regards to Karl

1299
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 5: Anthony Towns that you either die from Jimmy Butler or

1300
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 5: live long enough to become Jimmy Butler. The guy has

1301
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 5: been focused in the putting in the hours. Obviously he's

1302
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:05,240
Speaker 5: coming in fired up to predict to perform this season.

1303
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 5: But they have literally no starting forwards, Like, that's gonna

1304
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:11,760
Speaker 5: be a problem. You gotta have wings in the NBA

1305
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 5: these days, So I don't know the idea of Edwards

1306
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 5: in towns. That's awesome, that's a great start. Now you

1307
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 5: need the other three starters to be solid.

1308
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:25,440
Speaker 3: What about the j men Jared Vanderbilt eight, Jaden McDaniels.

1309
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 1: I'd rather have the big pipers playing on my team.

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00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 1: So we have some sort of breaking news here. Let's

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00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 1: slip it in here before we take our final break

1312
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Speaker 1: and get to our final questions. Apart two here this

1313
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 1: is from nets GM Sean Marks, and this is a

1314
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 1: statement on Brooklyn's decision here to sit Kyrie Irving until

1315
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 1: he fulfills NYC vaccination rules. I'll read a small part

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00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 1: of it quote. Given the evolving nature of the situation,

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00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 1: and after thorough deliberation, we have decided Kyrie Irving will

1318
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 1: not play or practice with the team until he is

1319
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 1: eligible to be a full participant. Kyrie has made a

1320
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:07,440
Speaker 1: personal choice and we respect his individual right to choose. Currently,

1321
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 1: the choice restricts his ability to be a full time

1322
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 1: member of the team, and we will not permit any

1323
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:15,960
Speaker 1: member of our team to participate with part time availability.

1324
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 1: And then he goes on to say a whole lot

1325
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:19,479
Speaker 1: more than I'm sure a lot of you will seek

1326
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 1: out there from our boy shams at the Athletic Wow.

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00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:28,480
Speaker 1: So now what here, Trey, what's Kyrie Irving going to do?

1328
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 1: Is Kyrie Irving actually going to, like I don't know,

1329
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 1: stand by his principles and not get this vaccination?

1330
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 2: And is he retiring?

1331
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 1: Is he done with the NBA or does he just

1332
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 1: eventually get this shot like he probably should.

1333
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 5: I got no idea, Skeets, but I think it is

1334
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 5: interesting and smart that the Nets are now putting pressure

1335
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 5: on him. It's not dissimilar to the Andrew Wiggins situation

1336
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 5: from a couple of weeks ago, where perhaps the same

1337
00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 5: was going to be the case for Wiggins and the Warriors,

1338
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:02,440
Speaker 5: and they're kind of like, we respect your right to choose,

1339
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 5: but here's the choice you should make if you want

1340
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:06,920
Speaker 5: to stay with this team, And that to me seems

1341
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 5: like what the Nets are doing. And if I'm not mistaken.

1342
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:13,640
Speaker 5: There were meetings involving all of the important people from

1343
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 5: the Brooklyn Nets, Kevin Durant, James Harden, Joe Si, Seawn Mark, Shirley,

1344
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 5: Steve Nash involved as well. They all obviously want Kyrie

1345
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 5: on board with their team and with the franchise, and

1346
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:28,959
Speaker 5: they are doing what they can to make that a possibility.

1347
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 5: So hopefully Kyrie gets vaccinated and makes the right decisions

1348
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 5: able to come play with the team.

1349
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 1: To ask anything to add to this sort of new

1350
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:39,919
Speaker 1: development here with Kyrie and the Nets, He's not gonna

1351
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:41,080
Speaker 1: be playing until he' vaccinated.

1352
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 3: Well, it was good for Shawn Marks to clean it

1353
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 3: up pretty quickly because it did seem like a bit

1354
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:49,440
Speaker 3: of a bumble, with Steve Nash saying in a press conference, well,

1355
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:52,680
Speaker 3: Kyrie Irving's definitely not going to play home games and

1356
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 3: we're going to be without him for sure. It seemed

1357
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:57,240
Speaker 3: like they hadn't really figured it out internally. I think

1358
00:59:57,240 --> 00:59:59,080
Speaker 3: it helps them that this was the preseason not the

1359
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 3: regular season, because I've think it would have been even

1360
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 3: a heavier news cycle if it was a week from now,

1361
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 3: because I think it kind of kind of flew under

1362
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 3: the radar. I know everyone talks about Kyrie, but it

1363
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:14,440
Speaker 3: got cleaned up and it's the right thing to do.

1364
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 3: It would have been absolutely wild for Kyrie Irving to

1365
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 3: be playing on the road and not at home. And

1366
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 3: I guess there is a chance where he could wait

1367
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:27,760
Speaker 3: out these current policies. Maybe they change in a couple

1368
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:30,640
Speaker 3: months and then he doesn't have to be vaccinated like

1369
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 3: other players in other markets. But at this point he

1370
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:39,200
Speaker 3: has one decision to make, and yeah, I would assume

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Speaker 3: that he does get vaccinated, but yeah, who knows what

1372
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:46,520
Speaker 3: Kyrie wants. Who knows what he is going to do.

1373
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 3: That's totally up to him. And the Nets are still

1374
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:52,560
Speaker 3: the favorite in my opinion. I don't know how you

1375
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 3: guys feel, but I think you know, considering what happened

1376
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:58,120
Speaker 3: last year, Kevin Durant missed more than half the games,

1377
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 3: James Harden barely played in half the games, and he

1378
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:02,919
Speaker 3: was in strip club shape. I mean, they come into

1379
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 3: this year with full James Harden, full Kevin Durant, and

1380
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:10,560
Speaker 3: they were the two seed last year, and you know,

1381
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:12,640
Speaker 3: Kyrie Irving missed a bunch of games as well. John

1382
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 3: Hollinger did the math. This way, they had one point

1383
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 3: seven of their three superstars on average for each game,

1384
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 3: so less than two of them on average for each game.

1385
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 3: And you know now they may have two even if

1386
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 3: Carrie doesn't play. I think considering the two seed last year,

1387
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 3: I think they're still the favorites to win the win

1388
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:33,320
Speaker 3: the one seed, but it would help if they had

1389
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:35,400
Speaker 3: Carrie Irving back Lee.

1390
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 2: Anything to add before we take one more break?

1391
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:40,160
Speaker 4: It's the right decision by Sean Marks and the Nets.

1392
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 4: It's like he can't be a part time player just

1393
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:45,200
Speaker 4: because when there's this easy solution to get him playing

1394
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:46,800
Speaker 4: full time. You know, this is not like a knee

1395
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:49,160
Speaker 4: injury where he can't play any games. He is available

1396
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 4: to play if he just takes a shot, which he

1397
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:53,120
Speaker 4: should do. If he doesn't believe in it, fine, but

1398
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:55,240
Speaker 4: then he shouldn't play. So I think the Nets have

1399
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:57,280
Speaker 4: made the right decision here, and I think Shawn Mark's

1400
01:01:57,360 --> 01:02:00,040
Speaker 4: taking care of this before the season starts is the

1401
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:02,320
Speaker 4: right thing to do, and to not let that leave

1402
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:04,360
Speaker 4: the door open where okay, he can practice or he

1403
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 4: can do this, just say stay away from the team

1404
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:08,200
Speaker 4: until you get vaccinated, then you can come back. As

1405
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:10,320
Speaker 4: soon AS's vaccinated, he can be back playing and everything.

1406
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:12,560
Speaker 4: There's no sort of you know, purity. He has to

1407
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 4: white just do it. So it's all on Kari. If

1408
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:16,080
Speaker 4: he doesn't want to do it, don't do it. But

1409
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:16,640
Speaker 4: he can't play.

1410
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:18,960
Speaker 1: All right, We're gonna take our final break here and

1411
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:21,720
Speaker 1: then two more fun questions to end Part two here, Ley,

1412
01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:22,440
Speaker 1: what do you got for us?

1413
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:27,680
Speaker 2: Okay? Two more questions here in part two? Got some

1414
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:28,400
Speaker 2: good ones here.

1415
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:33,760
Speaker 1: Trey dunk contest participant you'd love to see? Yeah, that's right,

1416
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:36,560
Speaker 1: I'm looking ahead to February. We love the dunk contest

1417
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:40,600
Speaker 1: here on a show ironically called No Dunks. Who's someone

1418
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 1: you'd love to see in it? Well, the name came

1419
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 1: up a little bit earlier. Had a bit of a

1420
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:49,600
Speaker 1: bummer contest last year.

1421
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:50,960
Speaker 6: Need some juice.

1422
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 5: I need to see Anthony Edwards in the dunk contest.

1423
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:57,720
Speaker 6: You know you had the huge dunk on Utah Watt Tanabe.

1424
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:00,800
Speaker 5: He also had a monster one against the Golden State

1425
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:04,040
Speaker 5: Warriors that the broadcast was calling one of the all

1426
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:07,320
Speaker 5: time great dunks in Timberwolve's history. I was rewatching some

1427
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:09,440
Speaker 5: highlights from that. I was like, oh, well that's a

1428
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:12,240
Speaker 5: pretty deep pull. But it was an incredible dunk, and

1429
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 5: the guy can throw down. I will say most of

1430
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:16,520
Speaker 5: the dunks he's had in the NBA thus far have

1431
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 5: been the one handed pullback. He obviously flies up. He

1432
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:22,120
Speaker 5: hasn't shown the creativity quite as much as I would

1433
01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 5: like to see from a guy on pitching as a

1434
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 5: Dunk Contest participant. But I would like to see Anthony

1435
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 5: Edwards because we need some star power in the Dunk

1436
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:30,960
Speaker 5: Contest to really bring it back. And I think he

1437
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:34,120
Speaker 5: as a young player, as a recent number one draft pick,

1438
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:35,920
Speaker 5: as a guy that everybody's gonna have their eyes on

1439
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:37,560
Speaker 5: this season, would be a great choice.

1440
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:42,120
Speaker 3: And the showmanship, yeah, he would put on a show.

1441
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:46,080
Speaker 1: He's so unique and he's yeah, he's got unbelievable confidence.

1442
01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:48,800
Speaker 1: I have him on my list here too. Another guy

1443
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:51,240
Speaker 1: Lee that you were talking up yesterday with his athleticism,

1444
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:54,440
Speaker 1: John Morant, and I bring him up because I'd love

1445
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:56,800
Speaker 1: to see him in it, But I don't think we're

1446
01:03:56,840 --> 01:03:58,000
Speaker 1: going to. I don't know if did you see the

1447
01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:01,560
Speaker 1: video Taylor Rooks talking to Jama over the offseason and

1448
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:03,080
Speaker 1: she asked him, were we ever going to see you

1449
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:05,960
Speaker 1: in the Dunk Contest? He says, I don't think, so

1450
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:07,480
Speaker 1: she asked what would it take.

1451
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:12,240
Speaker 2: His answer a million dollars. He came out instead, a

1452
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:12,920
Speaker 2: million dollars.

1453
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:13,920
Speaker 3: I know.

1454
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:15,560
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, put a million dollars in it and

1455
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:17,400
Speaker 1: I'll go in it. And then she asked him, you know, like,

1456
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:20,000
Speaker 1: who would be your dream dunk contest sort of line up?

1457
01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:22,320
Speaker 2: He wan the classic Zach Lavine.

1458
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:24,760
Speaker 1: Aaron Gordon, Derek Jones Junior, and then he said Zion Williamson.

1459
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:27,480
Speaker 1: But John Moran, I would love to have a minute.

1460
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:29,680
Speaker 1: I guess it's unlikely unless we get to this point

1461
01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:31,560
Speaker 1: where they are putting a million dollars on the line,

1462
01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:34,040
Speaker 1: Steve farm steps up or something like that.

1463
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:37,120
Speaker 4: Surely someone's got a million bucks to get him together.

1464
01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:39,400
Speaker 4: I mean, we could probably do a go fund me

1465
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:41,760
Speaker 4: and get him to go in it, because, yeah, that's

1466
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:44,160
Speaker 4: my answer. The most athletic man in the league, he's

1467
01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:46,560
Speaker 4: already had a couple of awesome dunks in the preseason.

1468
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:48,320
Speaker 4: Just get him in there to throw those down. The

1469
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:49,920
Speaker 4: other guy who has been in it a couple of

1470
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:51,800
Speaker 4: years ago and has had a couple of huge dunks

1471
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:54,480
Speaker 4: were won in the playoffs and one preseason is John Collins.

1472
01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:57,720
Speaker 4: So what his two dunks was fond dudes. So we

1473
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:00,080
Speaker 4: need someone who's like, you know what, I'm happy to

1474
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 4: be the guy that John Collins dunks over in the.

1475
01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:04,280
Speaker 2: Dunk contest Jared Allen or something.

1476
01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:07,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, because John Collins might have already had Dunk

1477
01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:09,360
Speaker 4: of the Year in the preseason. Does that count. I

1478
01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:11,560
Speaker 4: don't think it does, does it? But I mean, yeah,

1479
01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:15,680
Speaker 4: he smashed it over over Jared Allen there, and you

1480
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:18,320
Speaker 4: know that's that's I think what the dunk contest does

1481
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:21,320
Speaker 4: need to evolve to, because guys we said, no, a

1482
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:23,840
Speaker 4: great dunk has just struggle without that sort of defender there,

1483
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:26,919
Speaker 4: because sometimes having that body there makes them just sort

1484
01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:29,440
Speaker 4: of go harder, maybe just try to throw it down

1485
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:32,320
Speaker 4: with a bit more ferocity. So I think that's what

1486
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:33,560
Speaker 4: we need because.

1487
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:36,200
Speaker 1: You know, had some broken wrists and now but look, look, look,

1488
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:39,360
Speaker 1: look Joel b didn't get injured, Jared Allen didn't get injured.

1489
01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:41,840
Speaker 4: You know, like just just be there so that you

1490
01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:44,600
Speaker 4: can sort of have that feeling. And remember when Edwards

1491
01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:47,520
Speaker 4: jammed it on Watson Army there, I mean seeing him

1492
01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:49,800
Speaker 4: crumple was all sort of part of the story that

1493
01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:51,920
Speaker 4: goes along with the dunk. So you know, we just

1494
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:53,720
Speaker 4: need some people to volunteer to be dunked one. Oh,

1495
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:55,120
Speaker 4: you can dunk on me if you want, Joe, we'll

1496
01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:55,800
Speaker 4: split that mill.

1497
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:56,320
Speaker 1: Oh.

1498
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:58,680
Speaker 5: Sure, it's cool when John Collins dunks on people, But

1499
01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:02,880
Speaker 5: when he dunks on a plane, Yeah.

1500
01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:01,800
Speaker 3: I know.

1501
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:04,080
Speaker 4: See that's the thing. It's like, it's it's just it's

1502
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:06,040
Speaker 4: very hard I think for those guys to come up

1503
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:09,120
Speaker 4: with something that's not just like spontaneous in the moment

1504
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:10,560
Speaker 4: and then when the timing is right. Because it wasn't

1505
01:06:10,560 --> 01:06:13,000
Speaker 4: a great pass there from Sharif Cooper, but John Collins

1506
01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:15,960
Speaker 4: quarter back and just threw it down. So I would

1507
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:17,520
Speaker 4: like to see him in it again. It was a

1508
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:21,280
Speaker 4: couple of years ago. Yeah, less is more in terms

1509
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:25,080
Speaker 4: of the props, I guess. But yeah, it's maybe.

1510
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:28,120
Speaker 1: We could have the plane like circling somehow in the air.

1511
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:29,000
Speaker 1: That's what he needs.

1512
01:06:29,040 --> 01:06:30,480
Speaker 2: It was on the ground was the problem.

1513
01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:32,240
Speaker 4: You know. What he needs is the plane with the

1514
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:35,200
Speaker 4: drone that Aaron Gordon tried a few years ago to

1515
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:37,160
Speaker 4: drop the ball he grabbed, you know, all that sort

1516
01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:40,360
Speaker 4: of stuff. But that's the thing. The dunk contest. We're

1517
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:42,200
Speaker 4: in that same spot each year where it's like you

1518
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:45,360
Speaker 4: try to get excited for it. You see some good dunks,

1519
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:48,560
Speaker 4: but it doesn't quite always have that pulled throughout.

1520
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:51,360
Speaker 1: So okay, what about this one to sort of do

1521
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:53,640
Speaker 1: a little twist to your idea of like having a

1522
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:57,520
Speaker 1: guy a defender try and block these guys. Why don't

1523
01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:00,600
Speaker 1: we like get am I tea to make like a

1524
01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:05,160
Speaker 1: blocking machine man versus machine in the dunk contest.

1525
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:05,760
Speaker 6: Or battle bus.

1526
01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:06,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean.

1527
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:10,800
Speaker 6: That that was a million dollars on the context.

1528
01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:12,560
Speaker 2: Wrap them in bubble wrap stuff like that.

1529
01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:15,200
Speaker 4: Well, we had that robot out in Tokyo shooting the

1530
01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:16,280
Speaker 4: three pointers in free.

1531
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:18,200
Speaker 2: But robots don't play defense anymore.

1532
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:21,280
Speaker 4: Well, maybe you can program it, you know, to play defense.

1533
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:21,680
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1534
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:25,400
Speaker 2: Okay, then okay, the problem.

1535
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:28,160
Speaker 3: The problem is, you know, having a defender in there,

1536
01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:31,080
Speaker 3: we would have a deluge of injuries. We would just

1537
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:32,680
Speaker 3: so many injuries.

1538
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:34,600
Speaker 4: I don't know if you time it right, you know,

1539
01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:37,200
Speaker 4: and just say like sort of turn your back like that,

1540
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:40,160
Speaker 4: and I don't know, I mean, it's just those dunks

1541
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:42,080
Speaker 4: like that John Collins dunk, Like I said, I mean,

1542
01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:44,640
Speaker 4: that was like the most amazing moment from the preseason.

1543
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:47,320
Speaker 2: You don't think a better dunk this year and maybe

1544
01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:48,880
Speaker 2: not maybe maybe right?

1545
01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:49,480
Speaker 6: It was huge?

1546
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:51,200
Speaker 3: Were you s r O for that dunk?

1547
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:54,400
Speaker 4: I don't do preseason this ro. I'm only a regular

1548
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:58,920
Speaker 4: season slash playoff man.

1549
01:07:59,040 --> 01:08:01,120
Speaker 1: Like you threw that in there case the Hearts are listening,

1550
01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:03,400
Speaker 1: It's like I will also go to the playoff games.

1551
01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:05,120
Speaker 2: Uh task? Do you have anyone you want to see

1552
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:07,280
Speaker 2: it in a dunk contest?

1553
01:08:07,880 --> 01:08:10,560
Speaker 3: Max Struce? Oh, I'm thinking Max Streuss works for the

1554
01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:13,640
Speaker 3: Hawks where Lee gets his tickets, Max s Trews for

1555
01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:15,880
Speaker 3: the Miami Heat. I want to see him in the

1556
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:16,559
Speaker 3: dunk got snow?

1557
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:16,920
Speaker 6: I don't.

1558
01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:21,360
Speaker 3: Zion Williamson the most athletic player in the league? How

1559
01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:23,920
Speaker 3: about that? I know you may think that he may

1560
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:27,720
Speaker 3: not perform at the dunk contest, but he'll figure out

1561
01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:32,160
Speaker 3: a way. We never got Lebron into dunk contest. Zion

1562
01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:34,840
Speaker 3: will be fantastic. I think he'll He'll figure out a

1563
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:36,880
Speaker 3: way to put on a show. And you know, it's

1564
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:40,320
Speaker 3: it's hard to appreciate his athleticism, as as Lee said yesterday.

1565
01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:43,120
Speaker 3: Even though the GMS voted Zion the most athletic player

1566
01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:47,000
Speaker 3: in the NBA, Lee took John Morant because it's easier

1567
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:50,519
Speaker 3: to see with a smaller guy, and it's always harder

1568
01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:52,560
Speaker 3: with the big guys, as we saw with John Collins

1569
01:08:52,760 --> 01:08:56,439
Speaker 3: in Slam Dunk Contest. But Zion is that athletic that

1570
01:08:56,520 --> 01:08:58,280
Speaker 3: he will overcome that issue.

1571
01:08:59,320 --> 01:09:06,160
Speaker 2: Zion is getting big a little bit. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1572
01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:06,759
Speaker 2: that's true.

1573
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:09,519
Speaker 1: He I mean he somehow just got bigger, looking like

1574
01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:12,680
Speaker 1: the guy's just continuing to uh, to bulk up or

1575
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:16,679
Speaker 1: just get larger. Okay, Zion, that's I mean, it'd be amazing.

1576
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:19,479
Speaker 1: I have just like I'm skeptical now at this point.

1577
01:09:19,479 --> 01:09:20,760
Speaker 1: You know, they don't do it in their first couple

1578
01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:23,120
Speaker 1: of years. It's like why why now would they suddenly

1579
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:24,439
Speaker 1: do it in their third and fourth I'm talking about

1580
01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:26,679
Speaker 1: Jaw and Zion two. But I'm with you, those would

1581
01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:28,800
Speaker 1: be great. Let's hear from everybody out there. Tweet at

1582
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:30,320
Speaker 1: us at no dunks, and let us know in the

1583
01:09:30,360 --> 01:09:33,400
Speaker 1: YouTube comments, you know, let us know you're in the

1584
01:09:33,400 --> 01:09:34,960
Speaker 1: stream team too, if anybody's got.

1585
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:36,120
Speaker 2: A great pick.

1586
01:09:36,200 --> 01:09:38,559
Speaker 1: Oh okay, this is a good idea. Robin Lopez dunking

1587
01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:41,800
Speaker 1: on mascots could be its own. Maybe just skyhooks over

1588
01:09:42,320 --> 01:09:45,639
Speaker 1: over mascots. We can watch that all right, Final one

1589
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:49,120
Speaker 1: here before we wrap this up. Uh, which team is

1590
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:53,320
Speaker 1: going to finish with the worst record? Let's make some predictions.

1591
01:09:53,360 --> 01:09:55,360
Speaker 1: Who is going to be the worst team in the league? Trey,

1592
01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:56,000
Speaker 1: where are you going?

1593
01:09:56,360 --> 01:09:59,400
Speaker 5: According to bet MGM, the bottom four teams on the

1594
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:03,160
Speaker 5: in the league are the Magic, the Thunder, the Pistons,

1595
01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:05,559
Speaker 5: and the Rockets, and those to me seems like they

1596
01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:08,439
Speaker 5: will be the bottom four teams in the league. If

1597
01:10:08,439 --> 01:10:11,080
Speaker 5: I were picking, I would say the Pistons will be better.

1598
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:11,639
Speaker 6: Than the Rockets.

1599
01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:13,880
Speaker 5: I don't know if that's a hot take there, but

1600
01:10:14,120 --> 01:10:17,640
Speaker 5: all time for the worst record. Officially, I'm going with

1601
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:20,960
Speaker 5: the Orlando Magic because I've been following a lot on

1602
01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:24,920
Speaker 5: Twitter and it seems to me that the big story

1603
01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:28,320
Speaker 5: for the Magic this year is a potential Mo Bamba renaissance,

1604
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:32,080
Speaker 5: and I don't like the idea of Mobamba being the

1605
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:34,679
Speaker 5: best player on the Orlando Magic. I would say Jalen

1606
01:10:34,720 --> 01:10:36,960
Speaker 5: Suggs we were talking earlier, Rookie of the Year picks

1607
01:10:37,160 --> 01:10:39,040
Speaker 5: looked like a pretty solid bed.

1608
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:42,000
Speaker 6: I think seventy five to one. He's plus seven to fifty.

1609
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:44,719
Speaker 6: Hey that's actually seven point five to one.

1610
01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:49,120
Speaker 5: Anyways, uh, Mac, but I think he'll have a ton

1611
01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:52,880
Speaker 5: of opportunity. Cole Anthony is obviously still around. They've got

1612
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:56,160
Speaker 5: a lot of really young players. They're in total rebuild

1613
01:10:56,200 --> 01:10:58,000
Speaker 5: mode right now. They don't want to be good. They

1614
01:10:58,040 --> 01:11:00,360
Speaker 5: want their pick to be really high next year to

1615
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:02,240
Speaker 5: keep bringing in more and more talent. I think they're

1616
01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:05,320
Speaker 5: probably very happy to acquire a guy like Wendell Carter

1617
01:11:05,479 --> 01:11:09,080
Speaker 5: Junior at last year's trade deadline to bring in another

1618
01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:11,599
Speaker 5: recent lottery pick. They were happy. I'm sure to see

1619
01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:14,360
Speaker 5: Suggs fall to them with the number five pick after

1620
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:16,200
Speaker 5: the Raptors went with Scottie Barnes. A bit of a

1621
01:11:16,240 --> 01:11:20,400
Speaker 5: surprise there, But they're just relying a lot on unproven

1622
01:11:20,479 --> 01:11:24,080
Speaker 5: creators and unproven big guys on the inside. All that

1623
01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:27,080
Speaker 5: adds up to a pretty low win total. I think

1624
01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:28,759
Speaker 5: Orlando worst team in the league.

1625
01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:31,680
Speaker 1: I've been reading John Hollinger's season previews over on the

1626
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:36,240
Speaker 1: Athletic Pass, and I believe the lowest win total I've

1627
01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:38,919
Speaker 1: seen so far is Hollinger given it to the Thunder.

1628
01:11:39,080 --> 01:11:41,640
Speaker 1: He had them down for thirteen wins.

1629
01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:43,000
Speaker 2: That is it.

1630
01:11:43,080 --> 01:11:45,880
Speaker 1: Do you think John's maybe got it right here with

1631
01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:49,760
Speaker 1: Okac just leaning into another like complete you know, sort of?

1632
01:11:50,360 --> 01:11:52,519
Speaker 1: I mean basically the process and just tank away and

1633
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:55,040
Speaker 1: get another high pick. We just don't call it the process.

1634
01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:55,439
Speaker 2: What do you think?

1635
01:11:55,560 --> 01:11:57,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the debate should be about the second

1636
01:11:57,400 --> 01:11:59,560
Speaker 3: worst team in the league. I think the Thunder for

1637
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:02,160
Speaker 3: sure will have the worst record in the league. They

1638
01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:05,280
Speaker 3: are going to be horrendous. Some of the teams, some

1639
01:12:05,320 --> 01:12:08,400
Speaker 3: of the guys that were able to get them to

1640
01:12:08,439 --> 01:12:10,840
Speaker 3: a decent win total are gone. They got rid of

1641
01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:13,880
Speaker 3: basically everybody aside from Shay Gilders, Alexandra and lou Dort

1642
01:12:13,960 --> 01:12:18,639
Speaker 3: is there. But you know, besides that not gonna happen.

1643
01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:20,720
Speaker 3: I think they're going to be extremely bad. Yeah. And

1644
01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:25,040
Speaker 3: if we talked said yesterday, if Shay somehow along with

1645
01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:28,360
Speaker 3: lou Dort booies them to a decent start, well they're

1646
01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:32,240
Speaker 3: gonna sit down right quick. They have nobody I think. Yeah,

1647
01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:35,559
Speaker 3: the second best, second worst team is really the debate,

1648
01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:38,760
Speaker 3: and I think it's the Houston Rockets. I just I

1649
01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:42,160
Speaker 3: just don't see a lot of their parts working. They

1650
01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:47,400
Speaker 3: you know, talking Jalen's there at Suggs in Orlando. I'm

1651
01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:50,479
Speaker 3: a Jalen guy, Jalen Green guy with the Rockets. But

1652
01:12:51,439 --> 01:12:55,200
Speaker 3: I just their supporting casters isn't going to score a lot,

1653
01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:57,080
Speaker 3: and there is going to be a lot on Jalen

1654
01:12:57,080 --> 01:13:00,200
Speaker 3: Green's shoulders to score. And Kevin Porter Junior, he's so

1655
01:13:00,360 --> 01:13:05,280
Speaker 3: up and down. I'm at least a little bit optimistic

1656
01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:07,479
Speaker 3: about the Magic's future. I think they're gonna be fun.

1657
01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:11,599
Speaker 3: And if you saw Cole Anthony had a dunk where

1658
01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:17,479
Speaker 3: Luca Semanich of the San Antonio Spurs was trailing and

1659
01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:22,799
Speaker 3: he just quit, and Luca Semonic after that was cut

1660
01:13:23,080 --> 01:13:26,040
Speaker 3: because Greg Papovich said, you're not gonna go after the guy,

1661
01:13:26,120 --> 01:13:29,200
Speaker 3: then you're done. Son. So they were Alando Magic. Even

1662
01:13:29,200 --> 01:13:32,080
Speaker 3: if they don't win, they just got a guy cut.

1663
01:13:32,200 --> 01:13:36,479
Speaker 3: That's pretty amazing. So yeah, I'm kind of excited because

1664
01:13:36,479 --> 01:13:39,120
Speaker 3: I think I think there's just a lot of enthusiasm.

1665
01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:41,880
Speaker 3: I know there's yeah talk about the Mobamba Renaissance because

1666
01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:43,800
Speaker 3: they have about a billion centers. I don't know what

1667
01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:46,519
Speaker 3: they're doing there, but yeah, I'm excited to see Cole

1668
01:13:46,840 --> 01:13:51,719
Speaker 3: and Jalen and the Mowen Franz Wagner show there in Orlando.

1669
01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:54,519
Speaker 1: Lee, do the guys have the right teams at least

1670
01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:56,920
Speaker 1: in the mix here? The Thunder of the Rockets, the

1671
01:13:56,960 --> 01:13:59,360
Speaker 1: Magic the Pistons and maybe the Calves. I don't know

1672
01:13:59,400 --> 01:14:01,960
Speaker 1: where you sort of pencil that. Man, where are you

1673
01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:02,400
Speaker 1: going though?

1674
01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:04,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I like my pizza dough made of double

1675
01:14:04,840 --> 01:14:07,519
Speaker 4: O flower, I've gone for the Double OH teams. Okay,

1676
01:14:07,560 --> 01:14:11,200
Speaker 4: see in Orlando to win the worst record in the league.

1677
01:14:11,240 --> 01:14:14,760
Speaker 2: It's all hold on, hold, Please see that again. Please

1678
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:19,480
Speaker 2: see the whole thing again, start from the beginning.

1679
01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:22,080
Speaker 4: Of just the pizza dough that I use is double

1680
01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:25,439
Speaker 4: O flower. And so the teams that I picked on

1681
01:14:25,439 --> 01:14:27,680
Speaker 4: my list here to finish with the worst record of

1682
01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:32,519
Speaker 4: the Double OH teams Orlando Oklahoma, so double oh. So yeah,

1683
01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:35,000
Speaker 4: to split those two is very tough. You can make

1684
01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:37,960
Speaker 4: a bad case for both teams. I do actually think Gilga,

1685
01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:41,040
Speaker 4: Alexander and Dort, who's been firing away in the preseason,

1686
01:14:41,240 --> 01:14:44,320
Speaker 4: I think those two guys are actually good enough to

1687
01:14:44,360 --> 01:14:46,880
Speaker 4: win more than thirteen games and probably get them to

1688
01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:50,400
Speaker 4: closer to sort of twenty two to twenty three. And

1689
01:14:50,439 --> 01:14:52,719
Speaker 4: again if they tank again, if they sit down, those guys,

1690
01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:54,360
Speaker 4: I would ask for a trade. I'd like, come on, man,

1691
01:14:54,360 --> 01:14:55,519
Speaker 4: I want to I want to win, I want to

1692
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:58,240
Speaker 4: play it. I want to tank every year. So I

1693
01:14:58,760 --> 01:15:01,800
Speaker 4: think that gild just Alexander is a very good player,

1694
01:15:01,800 --> 01:15:04,240
Speaker 4: and I think he's got enough in him that they

1695
01:15:04,280 --> 01:15:07,639
Speaker 4: can squeeze out a few more wins than the Orlando Magic.

1696
01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:11,200
Speaker 4: But yeah, not great outcomes for both of these teams

1697
01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:11,719
Speaker 4: this season.

1698
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:14,360
Speaker 3: Just like you squeeze out some yeast from your flower.

1699
01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:17,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, the active dry yeast. It's tough to measure.

1700
01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:20,000
Speaker 4: Tough to get that measurement right all the time.

1701
01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:23,680
Speaker 1: Quick trid question Lee, who had the worst record last year?

1702
01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:25,280
Speaker 1: Who had the fewest winds?

1703
01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:28,440
Speaker 4: Detroit?

1704
01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:31,760
Speaker 2: No, No, Detroit had twenty wins, twenty and fifty two.

1705
01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:36,280
Speaker 2: This team had three less wins.

1706
01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:38,000
Speaker 4: Uh oh yeah, yeah.

1707
01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:41,479
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, five Magic right there, Thunder right there, Calves

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Speaker 1: right there, and the Wolves were right there. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we're high on towns. We're rooting for Minnesota to bounce back,

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Speaker 1: but they could unfortunately be sort of in the mix

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Speaker 1: as always here, especially if Eagles down and then you

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01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:53,840
Speaker 1: know you got Sacramento too, They're always going to be

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Speaker 1: probably just you know, popping their head in or out

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Speaker 1: to the bottom dwellers there. We'll see, we'll see. Let's

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Speaker 1: hear from you guys. With that one though, worst record

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Speaker 1: in the league. If you had to make a prediction.

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Speaker 2: Let us know.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we're back tomorrow. It'll be Wednesday, part three of

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Speaker 1: our NBA Season Preview series. We're gonna get into who

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Speaker 1: wins the Eastern Conference. We can debate that defensive Player

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Speaker 1: of the Year and I love this one our favorite

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Speaker 1: over under bets and make some people some money out there,

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Speaker 1: maybe looking at some of these lines going oh, who

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Speaker 1: they're undervalued or maybe they're overvalued. So we'll get into

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Speaker 1: that on Part three of our NBA Season Previews series.

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Speaker 1: a blast talking hoops with you. I'm glad we got

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01:16:43,720 --> 01:16:47,920
Speaker 1: that breaking Kyrie Irving news in and I'm looking forward

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Speaker 1: to Ben Simmons being traded within the next ninety minutes

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Speaker 1: or so, so we'll talk about it on tomorrow's show.

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Speaker 1: Until then, Clipper Bros.

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Speaker 6: You heard it here first. Have a great time, turn up.

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Speaker 6: Love you guys awesome.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for joining, I said, remember this messages for Kyrie,

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01:17:02,280 --> 01:17:06,040
Speaker 3: go get the shot. You gotta get that shot, said,

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01:17:06,360 --> 01:17:15,240
Speaker 3: Go get the shot. Vaccine, vaccine, vaccine, wonderside. You could

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Speaker 3: be a part time lover. You can't be a part

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01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:22,160
Speaker 3: time player, Kyrie, Embrace the day. I don't have another one.

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Speaker 3: You could stay.

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Speaker 1: Every day.

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Speaker 6: And day, happy, every minute. It's been so long that

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Speaker 6: your monna waiting for it's happened already.

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Speaker 3: It's gonna be Grevy