Speaker 1: Look mad oh, I see you? Why why? And look
Speaker 1: over there? How is that? Culture? Yes? Goodness ding dong
Speaker 1: last culture ess calling. I suspect a lot of things,
Speaker 1: this this one, this one, and by this one, of course,
Speaker 1: I'm referencing the episode this one. Well, I'm suspecting a
Speaker 1: lot of things because I'm very suspicious in my sort
Speaker 1: of status of being right now after watching such shows
Speaker 1: as The Undoing and It's Who Done It? And The
Speaker 1: Real Housewives of Potomac, where I'm suspicious of people's intentions
Speaker 1: of old wounds being sort of torn open, the sutures
Speaker 1: being ripped out. Speaking of sutures, you know what else
Speaker 1: has some just weird drama going on is Gray's anatomy.
Speaker 1: And that's why I'm so happy to and we're not
Speaker 1: going to bring him in yet because we haven't had
Speaker 1: nearly enough time together. He's giving us the scoop on
Speaker 1: some things that I can't really believe. I actually have
Speaker 1: to say this. This just came through from the panel.
Speaker 1: Remember the panel from a couple of ago, Abby Huntsman,
Speaker 1: So they sort of are panel. Everything that gets happened
Speaker 1: on the pot it gets run through them, etcetera. But
Speaker 1: they just came through with this new title that our
Speaker 1: guest has, Gray's Anatomy Special Correspondent. Yes, oh my god,
Speaker 1: this is huge. This is so huge that he's here. Um,
Speaker 1: but we're not talking to him yet. We have to
Speaker 1: catch up with each other. We have to catch up
Speaker 1: with each other. I'm not watching a single show where
Speaker 1: I'm not suspicious of people's true motives. You know. I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's the seasonal thing. I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's because second Lockdown is upon us. We're both
Speaker 1: but yeah, very suspicious. I really there's not much to
Speaker 1: catch up on. You and I have checked in a
Speaker 1: lot over the last two days. I'm just excited to
Speaker 1: bring in our gas. But unless you are there any
Speaker 1: items that you want to God, you are so rude.
Speaker 1: I'm so suspicious of you. Know, I'm really suspicious of
Speaker 1: you because you have through the Central You're so excited
Speaker 1: to not talk to me because well, I guess we've
Speaker 1: spoken enough. So I suspicious. That's not it's so suspicious.
Speaker 1: You're not cathartic today. Everyone. Okay, so our guest doesn't
Speaker 1: know this. I'm sorry, you know what, I don't mean
Speaker 1: to like cater to the guest too much. But the guest.
Speaker 1: Our guest has not been in the podcast space for
Speaker 1: a long time, so there's been some new sort of
Speaker 1: fun little inside jokes that are on the pod. Now.
Speaker 1: We we say the word cathartic when we want to
Speaker 1: say iconic. I feel like you and I don't have
Speaker 1: to perform the friendship when when the when the mics records,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, we're friends offline? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: just want you to ask me how I am? How
Speaker 1: are you good? Let's bring in the guests anyway. This
Speaker 1: guest is a celebrated icon of guesting on Lost Cultures.
Speaker 1: He famously um was he was our first ever Lost episode.
Speaker 1: Do you remember that? Remember? Remember we recorded a full
Speaker 1: ast episode and we lost it and then we we
Speaker 1: were forced to have him back. Thank god he was
Speaker 1: cathartic when he came back. Because he's sort of earned
Speaker 1: his place as the the first ever Lost culture he
Speaker 1: says icon Award winner, which we haven't given one out
Speaker 1: in a while. Did The only recipients of the award
Speaker 1: are Pat Are Our guests are Rachel Pegram and I
Speaker 1: think there's one more, Yeah, but I'm not I'm not
Speaker 1: ready to say, but those are the three. Those are
Speaker 1: really the three. The three and our guest has sort of,
Speaker 1: you know, become a cultural icon. He would say, you know,
Speaker 1: you know them from the Treatment podcast, you know them
Speaker 1: from their celebrated work in film and television. The projects
Speaker 1: are upcoming. Oh my god, Um, he's making me laugh already.
Speaker 1: He once had he had a cousin whose vest was
Speaker 1: featured on an episode of Scream Queens The Ryan Murphy Show.
Speaker 1: He once had a Swedish woman tell him that you
Speaker 1: would do well in Europe sexually. And one time someone
Speaker 1: someone went up to Colin Quinn. His aunt went up
Speaker 1: to his mom's friend went up to Colin Quinn on
Speaker 1: a beach and told him that he did comedy. So
Speaker 1: these are all his his credible and the last one,
Speaker 1: the last minute. We have to mention all of them.
Speaker 1: The last one is he was famously blacklisted from my
Speaker 1: show Live on broad Gay. Yes, yes, it was famous drama. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I wish the Housewives cameras had been rolling on that
Speaker 1: one white the episode slash reunion opportunity. What would you
Speaker 1: be wearing? What would you be wearing at that at
Speaker 1: that year's reunion? What would I've been wearing at that
Speaker 1: year's reunion. So I was sort of at that time
Speaker 1: doing like way too much product in my hair, slicked
Speaker 1: to the side moment and bowen you. Is you actually
Speaker 1: for many years throughout your two ohs twenties had too
Speaker 1: much hair. I had a lot of hair. I thought,
Speaker 1: you know, the tall pomp was the thing. In many
Speaker 1: ways it was. Yeah, but I think that you've settled
Speaker 1: into your haircut. My haircut which was dictated by my glasses,
Speaker 1: my two half moon's where it just did not look
Speaker 1: good with long hair. I wanted to centralize that. I
Speaker 1: wanted to draw the eye of the glasses. And if
Speaker 1: I'm getting too much height on my hair, then like
Speaker 1: the center sort of the center of whatever vision is off.
Speaker 1: So had to lower the hair, had had to had
Speaker 1: to sort of pear down the hair, and then just
Speaker 1: just to make sure that the glasses were sort of
Speaker 1: the had the marquee roll and then you have sort
Speaker 1: of me no glasses in sight, and that's why I
Speaker 1: can have the height. And that's rhyming on purpose, sort
Speaker 1: of on sort of and you know what they say,
Speaker 1: you know what they say when they go low talking
Speaker 1: about you with your hair. We go high talking about
Speaker 1: me with my hair. They do say that. I am
Speaker 1: so excited for for our guests. We texted him to
Speaker 1: see if he wanted to do the show. He said,
Speaker 1: the time has come, and the time is now. The
Speaker 1: time has come at time is now now more than ever.
Speaker 1: We need our guys, and also really everyone's been sort
Speaker 1: of demanding that the guests returned. He's been in the
Speaker 1: conversation and we we also just independently said on this
Speaker 1: show in recent episodes, which I guess does not listen to.
Speaker 1: He doesn't listen to the podcast. He doesn't listen. We've
Speaker 1: brought him up many times. We gotta be miss Pat
Speaker 1: so much. Isn't he the funniest and we love him
Speaker 1: so much? Everyone, please welcome. Would you have anything else
Speaker 1: to say? No, I'll say it to her face. Okay,
Speaker 1: say it to your face. Please welcome Pat. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: you guys, I say all the listeners you know me
Speaker 1: for my upcoming projects, and I'm so you may have
Speaker 1: seen it. I forgotten you guys may have seen an
Speaker 1: upcoing privates. I forgot the name of the poem. That show.
Speaker 1: Is it hacks Um? It's actually I think it doesn't
Speaker 1: have a name right now? Okay, well there, let's just
Speaker 1: say there's a show out there. It doesn't have a name.
Speaker 1: Am I not allowed to say? I actually have no
Speaker 1: idea what I'm allowed to about that? Um, but I
Speaker 1: will say, you know, I will say this is I
Speaker 1: think they did write on the show that I do
Speaker 1: think will be very very good and funny and everyone
Speaker 1: should run not walk. You gotta tell you I I
Speaker 1: read the pilot and I thought it was actually it
Speaker 1: was you know what, I helped a friends. I always
Speaker 1: told the story to the shore runners because I really
Speaker 1: thought it spoke to kind of an authentic appreciation I
Speaker 1: had for the show. Is before I was attached to
Speaker 1: the project, of course, I was helping in dear friend
Speaker 1: self tape for a role. And you know, you get
Speaker 1: these sides in this business business. I'm gonna okay, master class.
Speaker 1: My master class is the entertainment business. Thank god, thank god.
Speaker 1: So what's the what's what's so that? Okay, So now
Speaker 1: that we know, what's the first line of your commercial,
Speaker 1: your big commercial for it? Oh my god, Oh now
Speaker 1: you're it's a it's a tight close. It's a tight
Speaker 1: single on the on you just think about that and
Speaker 1: like and like like a we work. Um yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, um. He's waving his hands at me, gesticulated
Speaker 1: me aggressively. You wanted to bring out, Sorry, what's your
Speaker 1: first line? What's your first line? I've made my career
Speaker 1: in my I've made my career in the entertainment business.
Speaker 1: And it's a business that you can to Wow, I
Speaker 1: am on board. Take my money, bitch. Oh my god. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't think this, but I have a year of
Speaker 1: subscription to master Class. You wouldn't think. Yeah, I have
Speaker 1: you taken one for some reason. I see you even
Speaker 1: though even though you're not necessarily a vocalist. I see
Speaker 1: you taking Christina Aguileris. You know what I didn't? I didn't,
Speaker 1: but you know I did. I did actually say it
Speaker 1: to my, uh my sexual partner this evening. You're same
Speaker 1: sex sexual part sexual partner, the same sex partner. I
Speaker 1: I brought up Brittany and Christina, and you know, I
Speaker 1: had the most intelligent thought about them. I said, you know,
Speaker 1: it's so funny that they got um compared so much
Speaker 1: because they truly are so different. Say that they say that.
Speaker 1: It's saying that, and you know where it stems from.
Speaker 1: Actually go on, queens, tell us it comes from our
Speaker 1: darth of pop stars in the early two thousand's, like
Speaker 1: they were just our two female pop stars. To everyone's like, wow,
Speaker 1: they're just alike. But it's like if they were here today,
Speaker 1: it would literally be like bearing Billie Eyelish to do
Speaker 1: a LiPo, which you wouldn't wouldn't You wouldn't do it.
Speaker 1: But if you were the only two, then you might. Okay, Bowen,
Speaker 1: are you feeling? Are you feeling the same way that
Speaker 1: I am? Read the eraser of Jessica Simpson and Mandy Moore.
Speaker 1: I know, I know, But you can't lie that, um,
Speaker 1: they were the two. You can't lie, You can't lie.
Speaker 1: I want to. I want to pitch this as a
Speaker 1: rual culture when it comes to Britney and Gristina, you
Speaker 1: can't lie. That's exactly. That's its rural culture number number sixteen.
Speaker 1: When it comes to you can't lie that they were
Speaker 1: the two? Right? You're so right? Can can? Is it?
Speaker 1: Is it a truth that you can't lie about that
Speaker 1: Mandy and Jessica would make up the four? Oh? Yes,
Speaker 1: absolutely absolutely they would be the four. But but the
Speaker 1: fact no, because Jessica and Mandy have both ventured out
Speaker 1: side of music very successfully because because they were not
Speaker 1: shackled to this UM I don't know the deification of
Speaker 1: pop stars in the way that we did in the
Speaker 1: nineties and earlier that say that, I actually think they
Speaker 1: did benefit from not being the two because they could
Speaker 1: go on to be on NBC, they could go on
Speaker 1: to UM write a book, yes, and they could yes,
Speaker 1: they could go and sell shoes, so it sells shoes
Speaker 1: first and foremost. You know what I love to say
Speaker 1: about Jessica Simpson And my mother told me this. My mother,
Speaker 1: who's famously a hairdresser, on about the extensions, isn't it
Speaker 1: said that Jessica Simpson has the best hair extensions in
Speaker 1: the biz. You know who has the worst hair extensions
Speaker 1: in the biz? You the authority should tell us? Now,
Speaker 1: actually this is Angelo. I think has like observed this.
Speaker 1: But I know who's Angelo. He's my SeeMe sex partner,
Speaker 1: sex sexual partners partner and domestic depending on my mood,
Speaker 1: and and I've always known it. And then he said
Speaker 1: I was like, yes, that's true. It's I don't think
Speaker 1: you girls watched this franchise. But Gina from O C
Speaker 1: has just always had these extensions that like are comical.
Speaker 1: They're comic, they're comic con the sixth they just they
Speaker 1: you know when you can tell, like the hair is
Speaker 1: going to a certain angle and then like the extensions,
Speaker 1: like there's always such a shift with her and it's hard.
Speaker 1: She needs to get she's her hair Dreerson needs to
Speaker 1: get her ship together. But wait, or is it could
Speaker 1: be gay man that's true, yeah, or hers but lesbian
Speaker 1: woman or his but shape man or yeah, there's anyone
Speaker 1: can be a hairdresser. It's actually real culture. Number address
Speaker 1: works your left, look to your right. They're both hair dressers.
Speaker 1: Wait what were we gonna say? What were we talking about?
Speaker 1: Like four we talked about Brittany and Christina m Was
Speaker 1: it the undoing? No, the master Class? It was the
Speaker 1: master yes, yes, yes, oh okay, oh And I was
Speaker 1: going back to this point about the entertainment business, which
Speaker 1: would be my master class, which is um oh oh.
Speaker 1: And this goes actually ultimately back to my upcoming project.
Speaker 1: So for you young girls out there who are trying
Speaker 1: to break into the entertainment business, what you need to
Speaker 1: know is that sometimes you do these things called sides
Speaker 1: for a little part of a script. That you read
Speaker 1: to try to get a role in TV and film
Speaker 1: or even a place to do plays. Have sides. I
Speaker 1: think that they they we have to, I'll ask the panel, okay.
Speaker 1: And so I was helping a friend to a self
Speaker 1: tape for this show that I was not touched to yet,
Speaker 1: and I said, you get these sides, And my god,
Speaker 1: is there anything more galvanizing than getting sides in this
Speaker 1: town where every side to you guys like, well this
Speaker 1: got made, so truly anything can happen. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean? You read some, you read some bad sides,
Speaker 1: it's all absolutely absolutely. But then I read these sides
Speaker 1: with this friend and I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: these are the first good sides I've ever read in
Speaker 1: my life. And then I ends up reading I'm not
Speaker 1: sure it was very rewarding. I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I'm writing on the one show that's that I actually
Speaker 1: read it, and I was like, this is so good.
Speaker 1: You got you got to write on the one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was mean of me to say some sides are bad,
Speaker 1: was it? No, not at all, not at all. It
Speaker 1: would be mean of you not to say that, because
Speaker 1: then these writers keep writing out there and they think
Speaker 1: they don't have any work to do. Well, guess what,
Speaker 1: We've read every side and you all have work to do.
Speaker 1: You all have work to do do except for them, except
Speaker 1: for the show that I'm that I've wrote on, who
Speaker 1: does not have work to do because it does not
Speaker 1: have work to do. Wait, and what was the story?
Speaker 1: The story that you tell the show runners is that
Speaker 1: you loved the sides. That's the story beginning, middle end. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I never knew the name of the show. I always
Speaker 1: thought that it as that funny show. And then I
Speaker 1: when I and then I wrote on, I was like,
Speaker 1: what show is this? I was like, I've read this
Speaker 1: somewhere when I was Wow, it was it was that
Speaker 1: funny show. It was one funny show that I liked. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean that's we look forward to that upcoming project.
Speaker 1: Whether or not we can even say what the name
Speaker 1: of it is, we may have to bleep it out
Speaker 1: and the regions will be in the absolute dark. I
Speaker 1: don't think you've said it yet, and I don't think
Speaker 1: it exists yet. I don't think it has a name yet.
Speaker 1: I can come out as having said it. No, but
Speaker 1: the name that you said is not the actual name anymore.
Speaker 1: I know. And I'll be accountable and responsible for that
Speaker 1: moving forward. Yes, I have asked. I have gotten word
Speaker 1: back from the panel about whether or not those sides
Speaker 1: you call them sides if they're from plays. And they
Speaker 1: both have their arms crossed and are looking at me
Speaker 1: and staid, of course they're called sides. Oh my, so
Speaker 1: that's sorry. I'll deal with them later, but they're really upset.
Speaker 1: You guys also said something that interested me. Um, while
Speaker 1: I was an honor well, while I was had a
Speaker 1: Hannibal electric mask on and with my mouth was chained
Speaker 1: the shot during intro that a new feature, a new
Speaker 1: feature of the pod. We have to chain our guests
Speaker 1: by the face before had you guys actually had it
Speaker 1: delivered to my house that can't endiblector and you made
Speaker 1: the person who delifered it come inside and expose themselves
Speaker 1: to potential COVID. That's because that's that's how my Heart
Speaker 1: Radio does it. Were a corporate, corporate entity, he said.
Speaker 1: Matt Bowen in the team and I Heart Radio says
Speaker 1: I have to come in and do a prolonged exposure.
Speaker 1: And I said, oh my god, that feels so at risk.
Speaker 1: But come on in, girl, that feels so at risk rest.
Speaker 1: Come on in girl lovers. Oh my god, do you
Speaker 1: want to hear about your sexual trust? You had recently
Speaker 1: bowen yang, which I don't know about that when I
Speaker 1: was when I was off the threat. What does a
Speaker 1: tryst mean? Do you? It means, Okay, you've forced my hand. Well,
Speaker 1: you penetrated anal sex. Okay at this point, that's what
Speaker 1: it means. I just want to I just want to
Speaker 1: like put a time to this. This was a couple
Speaker 1: of months ago. I guess it was what I was
Speaker 1: off the threat for a bit and then people so
Speaker 1: we have a thread and Pat will sort of leave it.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I need to be walked back to the couch
Speaker 1: by usually Joel, Yes, Joel's Brandy Cohen. Sometimes I take
Speaker 1: my microphone off. I say anything acid, which is which
Speaker 1: we should also say, is played out your trash? I say,
Speaker 1: yours trash. I take a microphone off, I leave the
Speaker 1: thread for weeks at a time. And of course, me,
Speaker 1: who identifies as a cast member over the Housewives of Dallas,
Speaker 1: takes trash very seriously and I will let will let
Speaker 1: that really hurt my feelings. I actually got that or
Speaker 1: she was coming from with that, Yeah, Brandy because is
Speaker 1: Brandy from Dallas doesn't like being called trash because um,
Speaker 1: she grew up trash. I got that. Sorry that, but
Speaker 1: wait back to the important thing at hand, which is Bowen.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the tryst is. I really everything,
Speaker 1: everything has been flattened in terms of my sexual memory.
Speaker 1: Doesn't that isn't that? Is that alarming that? I'm quite
Speaker 1: alarmed that so inception of you sex really? Oh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I hope I didn't. I'm always want, you know, it's
Speaker 1: been a second since that podcast, and I'm always wanted.
Speaker 1: I hope I'm not misstepping. No, you don't have to
Speaker 1: worry about that with us, not with us, not when
Speaker 1: it's literally sister life hashtag, hashtag hashtag after we do
Speaker 1: the hashtag after, you know. A good name for this
Speaker 1: episode could be Sister has Gone Wild. Maybe we'll see.
Speaker 1: But I don't like what an episode name is an
Speaker 1: organic so I don't. I bet that, but I don't
Speaker 1: like that either. I don't like that either. But I
Speaker 1: think we I think we landed on something pre recording,
Speaker 1: which is the time has come, and the time is now.
Speaker 1: That time has come and the time is now beautiful.
Speaker 1: It's a front runner of the title of ups. But
Speaker 1: I love but there's an urgency to it. Okay, keep going, sorry, Pat. Oh,
Speaker 1: So basically what you guys were talking about when I
Speaker 1: had my hand and my Loctor mask on was how
Speaker 1: everything all these television shows are very suspicious. That is
Speaker 1: a huge theme of culture right now is just feeling
Speaker 1: very suspicious of the character is both real and fake,
Speaker 1: scripted and unscripted. The scripted space, and of course in
Speaker 1: the unscripted space, I'm feeling very suspicious as well. Oh.
Speaker 1: This is when, no matter what, if anyone, if any
Speaker 1: character appears to me, fictionally or otherwise, this is what
Speaker 1: I do. And I want you to picture me as
Speaker 1: sort of Nicole Kiman in the Undoing. This is what
Speaker 1: I do. What which to me is go tell them bowen.
Speaker 1: It's but Matt says something so poignant to the thread
Speaker 1: last night. Nicole Kidman is the pre eminent expert master
Speaker 1: of of acting shocked, but not just acting shocked, but
Speaker 1: receiving information, receiving of shocking information. It's so hard to do.
Speaker 1: It's so hard to do. Yes, she's been getting off
Speaker 1: of shocking information on that show. And I will also
Speaker 1: say about that show is. I actually think it's the
Speaker 1: first show in history that they had the show and
Speaker 1: then they wrote the book that the show is based
Speaker 1: on and like implanted it. Like I watched a show
Speaker 1: and I was like, Okay, surely this show spiritually was
Speaker 1: based on a book. But I but I don't actually
Speaker 1: even believe that would be too similar, right to big
Speaker 1: littleize this can't also be based on a book. Then
Speaker 1: I google it. I want to tweet something about how
Speaker 1: this show is spiritually based on a book, but I'm
Speaker 1: actually it was based on the And I was like,
Speaker 1: they just wrote that book in later is like after
Speaker 1: the fact, they were like, let's write this book. Let's
Speaker 1: let's fudge the number so it says two dozen fourteen,
Speaker 1: and we'll say it was based on the book. You're
Speaker 1: so suspicious, You're so suspicious that you think that that
Speaker 1: this maybe wasn't even based on a book. So you
Speaker 1: think the show is sort of so suspicion heavy that
Speaker 1: you think it's sort of now covers the show itself
Speaker 1: and it's creation of suspicion is spilling out of the show.
Speaker 1: And I think it's life imitating art in this way
Speaker 1: because and I think it's like in um Wes Craven's
Speaker 1: New Nightmare where Freddie comes out of the movie and
Speaker 1: kills actually the actress who plays the girl in early movies,
Speaker 1: or tries to um yeah, happens in Fridays in West
Speaker 1: Craven's New Nightmare. Or may he rest in peace, Rest
Speaker 1: in peace, May he rest in power and peace. So
Speaker 1: do you think that that that it may be, that
Speaker 1: it may be revealed, you think it may be revealed
Speaker 1: at some point that this show perhaps maybe wasn't even
Speaker 1: based on a book, but exists to just be a
Speaker 1: Nicole Kimman vehicle that was a book to TV adaptation.
Speaker 1: To me, this show, it's already two on the nose, okay,
Speaker 1: already for it to be HBO, for it to be
Speaker 1: Nicole Kimman, for it to be the Hair, for it
Speaker 1: to be like Murder and to be for it to
Speaker 1: be a school, and for it to be a rich
Speaker 1: father of the woman, and for it to be a doctor,
Speaker 1: and for it to be like all these things. It's
Speaker 1: already like, okay, is a parody sketch on Saturday Night Live,
Speaker 1: and it's so on the nose. And then for it
Speaker 1: to be based on a book, it's like Okay, this
Speaker 1: is too much. This is literally two on the nose.
Speaker 1: I kind of agree. I'm inclined. I something has been
Speaker 1: sort of well no, I mean, Matt, we talked about
Speaker 1: this like it's I would say, it's not like a
Speaker 1: fantastic show. It's a fun we don't know that yet.
Speaker 1: It's I don't know it's it moves. I like that,
Speaker 1: it moves very well. A lot happens. Yea. I will
Speaker 1: say I actively don't care about anyone in the show anymore,
Speaker 1: but I will continue watching it until I think I
Speaker 1: solved it. Actually, so okay, so let's just say we've
Speaker 1: just seen episode four. I don't really have the same
Speaker 1: opinions as you guys. I have loudly gasped at the
Speaker 1: end of every episode, like audibly, like this this has
Speaker 1: been me. I literally sat right here where I'm sitting
Speaker 1: right now, looked up my television, and at the end
Speaker 1: of episode three, I went like this, I haven't had that.
Speaker 1: You were not gasping at the end of episode three.
Speaker 1: What happens at at the end of episode three don't
Speaker 1: have to say spoiler alert, we we don't have to
Speaker 1: mention it. I know what you're talking about. I want
Speaker 1: to say spoiler alert. I never got this upset. What
Speaker 1: are you upset about that you wouldn't say spoiler? This
Speaker 1: is what I'll say, Actually, we have a fun thing
Speaker 1: to ask. Subsequently, this is gonna be a tangent that
Speaker 1: we're gonna come back to this and shroll through the
Speaker 1: line of the show. Was just discussing the undoing and
Speaker 1: suspicious characters and television and film because, as you guys
Speaker 1: it otherwise, I grew up and lived a large part
Speaker 1: of my adult life not I'm not being invested in
Speaker 1: Rupulse Jock Grace and only become the person who in
Speaker 1: walking around and saying, actually, RuPaul's Grace is pretty cool,
Speaker 1: which is which just cathartic, but which is the perfect
Speaker 1: time to do it. It is cathartic. But I've always
Speaker 1: known that Bone spoiled something for everyone of RuPaul's Grace,
Speaker 1: but I never knew what it was because it never
Speaker 1: meant anything to me. But now that it means something
Speaker 1: to me, I would love to know what Bones spoiled.
Speaker 1: It was the season seven episode in which Katya was eliminated,
Speaker 1: and I did not spoil it. I did not spoil
Speaker 1: it because drag Race is live event viewing and I
Speaker 1: put on Facebook, not even Twitter, so it was a
Speaker 1: closed sort of circle of people. It was not. I
Speaker 1: was not broadcast filled with your gay friends who watched
Speaker 1: the show and gay person who is not like other
Speaker 1: gays and actually doesn't watch the show and instead I
Speaker 1: might even watch something until now when I finally let
Speaker 1: go And what did you say? But what did you say?
Speaker 1: I said, Katya no, which could have meant anything. I
Speaker 1: couldn't have. So you know what. I experienced this too
Speaker 1: with um with I'll say season twelve a hero, No,
Speaker 1: this is separate. This is a Survivor, a hero, a
Speaker 1: personal hero on colleague who I cherished and loving the
Speaker 1: key so funny Chris Kelly, I spoiled Poverty's exit from
Speaker 1: Heroes Firstpillents, and I did feel really bad about that.
Speaker 1: From here is versus villains, Like what is it war?
Speaker 1: I spelled that for him, and I did feel really
Speaker 1: back because I tweeted. But it was like after waiting
Speaker 1: like ten years for her to come back and then
Speaker 1: for her to leave. It's like and that was on
Speaker 1: Survivor Twitter and everyone was talking. Sometimes you just get
Speaker 1: caught up in the emotion of the moment. You parolutely.
Speaker 1: We can't wait around for l A to let our
Speaker 1: emotions out, thank you. We have to live our lives
Speaker 1: in real time, not on PST. I think that if
Speaker 1: you are living in Los Angeles and you go on
Speaker 1: Twitter during the time when you know your favorite show
Speaker 1: is on, you're asking for trouble. And Chris Kelly is
Speaker 1: very deeply wrong and who want to start? Are you
Speaker 1: on in this spoiler? Well? I think I think they're
Speaker 1: two completely different things because I'm not on yours. But
Speaker 1: it's the same Pat committed the same offense that I
Speaker 1: did five years prior. It's about intent. It's about intent.
Speaker 1: You were, you were, you were stunting you, You knew
Speaker 1: what you were doing. You wanted this. You you you,
Speaker 1: you live by the thing of you know you that
Speaker 1: bitch when they cause all this conversation and you wanted
Speaker 1: to start a conversation about yourself and I know it,
Speaker 1: Um what was you? Oh yeah, and that's what you
Speaker 1: wanted this whole time, and you wanted us to be
Speaker 1: sitting here. It's five years later and you're still the story.
Speaker 1: You're still the headline. Aren't just the most suspicious? Works
Speaker 1: so hard all season? He gets at home her moment
Speaker 1: and I was about bone. Five years later, five years
Speaker 1: later were talking about you were talking about and talking
Speaker 1: about that's all right. I just want to say that
Speaker 1: the most suspicious character of all in film and television
Speaker 1: is Bo and Yang, absolutely fictional, scripted or unscripted. I
Speaker 1: have no idea anymore. I don't know anymore. David E Kelly. Wow,
Speaker 1: I truly almost always forget that David E Kelly did
Speaker 1: the undoing as well as Big Little Eyes, which makes
Speaker 1: it even more like it's who I just think. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to I actually didn't know that person's name
Speaker 1: before this moment. I want to challenge that person to
Speaker 1: do something completely different next time. I want to challenge
Speaker 1: I'm just something completely different. I'm to write in a
Speaker 1: fantasy space. I wanted to be Game of Thrones adjacent
Speaker 1: or something. I wanted to feel like a home. David
Speaker 1: E Kelly is like most comfortable, like right out in
Speaker 1: the hallway outside of a courtroom. That's where David E
Speaker 1: Kelly that prefers to live like lawyers spaces and lawyers
Speaker 1: homes and lawyers cars. It's but like just like litigate
Speaker 1: or no, just like just being in the courtroom is
Speaker 1: so narratively rich, like there are so many things that
Speaker 1: there's just so many things built into that already. But like,
Speaker 1: I don't blame anybody for like writing a procedural or
Speaker 1: or writing like just just courtrooms like Search Party season four,
Speaker 1: like our season three. I'm just like this is so
Speaker 1: well done and like, yeah, the court room is a
Speaker 1: very rich place. And also, you know who I'm gagged
Speaker 1: is on the show is the lawyer who her name
Speaker 1: is um nomadumas Wenny. She's incredible and you know, well
Speaker 1: this I'm about to tell you. She won an Olivier
Speaker 1: Award for playing her Moiae Granger and Harry Child. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: she was Hermione. Yeah, and she received the Tony Award nomination.
Speaker 1: What other television projects can you do? Are you like analyst?
Speaker 1: I'm actually on her Wikipedia, which is where everyone and
Speaker 1: this should be part of your masterclass if you want
Speaker 1: information about the entertainment industry, Wikipedia is going to be
Speaker 1: a site for you. Okay, Um, so she was. She's
Speaker 1: really mostly a theater actress, but she has been at
Speaker 1: you hate to see it. She has been in Normal
Speaker 1: People on television. She has been um was she in
Speaker 1: a show? With Phoe people or bridge in Olivia um
Speaker 1: Coleman Coleman, Olivia Coleman a broad Church. It was called
Speaker 1: broad Church. I don't think she was in broad Church. Okay,
Speaker 1: maybe I'm thinking about someone else. I think this is
Speaker 1: a blind spot that all three of us shore, which
Speaker 1: is um, well, she's relatively but I've been getting into
Speaker 1: pret TV um mystery and that's why I'm watching Sherlock
Speaker 1: right now, and that's why I watched broad Church. And
Speaker 1: I started watching Elizabeth Moss BBC Murder, but it was
Speaker 1: actually too boring for me. And he had to um
Speaker 1: that top of the lake, Top of the Lake I
Speaker 1: couldn't connect to with Oh Happy Valley I watched. I
Speaker 1: really enjoyed that a wonder woman police officer who actually
Speaker 1: is down tight, throw some punches, get punched, yourself free
Speaker 1: a girl who's been trapped, and still make it home
Speaker 1: for dinner time. Can I just ask, like, because you
Speaker 1: have this sort of expertise in this area, now that
Speaker 1: you've watched some British TV, that's how you can bring
Speaker 1: the hammer down so on the undoing, which to you
Speaker 1: is not sort of doing to make a to make
Speaker 1: to make sort of a joke what it should be Yeah,
Speaker 1: and P I feel like and before you answer that,
Speaker 1: I just want to put out a theory that you
Speaker 1: will I I assume you will rebut but I think
Speaker 1: if the undoing took place in London, you would be obsessed. See.
Speaker 1: I want to say yes only because I know you
Speaker 1: need that right now. But when you're so far out
Speaker 1: on a limb and I could feel your attention, but
Speaker 1: I don't know if I would because I'm not I'm
Speaker 1: not at the anglophile of some of my um contemporaries.
Speaker 1: I don't know that I am. Do you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Like I famously went on Rucket, this is
Speaker 1: actually one of the bravest things anyone's ever done. And
Speaker 1: the Witness Protection Program asked if I wanted to be involved.
Speaker 1: I said, I'm actually, I'm actually cool. I'm going to
Speaker 1: stay you Pass. I said, I'm gonna stay me. You
Speaker 1: told Kara Meslin hard Pass. I told Karam the Witness
Speaker 1: Protection of Program wants you. The're gonna set you up
Speaker 1: in Oregon. You're gonna be a farmer. And I said,
Speaker 1: you know what, I think I'll go ahead and stay
Speaker 1: me this time. But thanks shout up to our our manager,
Speaker 1: Kara wait, is this is that such a hacky premise
Speaker 1: for a sitcom? Because I love that. We're just someone
Speaker 1: who like didn't doesn't want to be in it and
Speaker 1: wants to live, wants to stay themselves. Oh and they're
Speaker 1: but they're like accidentally get into it sort of or
Speaker 1: they agree to go and you know that that that
Speaker 1: w p P is chasing them. Oh and they're like,
Speaker 1: we need you to go on into this and they're
Speaker 1: like and they don't want to. That's all right, No
Speaker 1: another now now we're blue skying this idea whatever sort
Speaker 1: of like what else are sort of like they are
Speaker 1: like final do witness protection? Then all of a sudden
Speaker 1: they realized that, okay, guess what, they're straight. That girl
Speaker 1: they've always had a crush on actually is into them.
Speaker 1: But they have to go away, and then they keep
Speaker 1: trying to come back to their old life. You know,
Speaker 1: they have to our exist in these two worlds and
Speaker 1: Witness Protection Program. Actually they can't know that they're back
Speaker 1: in their old life, so they're hiding from the person
Speaker 1: they witnessed, hiding from those who are the Witness Protection program. Yes,
Speaker 1: and they're compet and it's the question is and the
Speaker 1: question of the show is what is identity. I have
Speaker 1: to stop you because I feel like I can't let
Speaker 1: you sort of Maria reputation as someone who can do
Speaker 1: a master class on the entertainment industry and come in
Speaker 1: with this sort of crazy pitch that I couldn't follow
Speaker 1: for two second. This is the show. This is the show.
Speaker 1: Shut up, this is the show. It's a gay guy
Speaker 1: and his sister. Short of Ship's Creek. They two, if
Speaker 1: you will, because everyone knows you can't sell a show
Speaker 1: with only a gay guy. He has to have a
Speaker 1: sister's you can't. It's actually really closer number seven. You
Speaker 1: can't sell a show sister if he doesn't have a sister,
Speaker 1: Like who's going to be the horror? Who's going to
Speaker 1: be the horror? Doesn't have it together? Hello? So um basically,
Speaker 1: which literally I mean not to drag every show, but
Speaker 1: we got your um. Oh okay, this is the show.
Speaker 1: It's Witness Protection and they say we we don't want it,
Speaker 1: and then the Witness Protection says, but you guys are
Speaker 1: under the most danger of anyone ever. And the show
Speaker 1: is they're trying to live their gay and horror life,
Speaker 1: and the people keep trying to kill them and they
Speaker 1: have to just get out of the way. Easy, simple, breezy.
Speaker 1: It's a gay and his horror sister and the people
Speaker 1: are trying to kill them, and they had the opportunity
Speaker 1: to go into w P P and there's someone probably
Speaker 1: played by Let's just say, um, who's who's like Who's
Speaker 1: like hot right now? That works in this gay show.
Speaker 1: Let's say, um Shreiber Leev Schreiber's hot right now? That
Speaker 1: of the show. I was I was gonna say that
Speaker 1: was the original pitch, and then was Blue Sky. Can
Speaker 1: I say something that That's why you need to be
Speaker 1: really careful in this entertainment industry who your creative partner is,
Speaker 1: because let me tell you something, Bowen could have a
Speaker 1: pitch that sell else and then you have this whacko
Speaker 1: next to them who they attached for talent purposes, which
Speaker 1: is probably how you got involved. I would imagine Pat's
Speaker 1: the whacko Pats the whack o talent who comes in
Speaker 1: and is like, I just had a new idea for
Speaker 1: the show. By the way, Okay, oh wait, funk I
Speaker 1: forgot the show? I have an idea. Okay. Basically, the
Speaker 1: show is the following. Two people are in love. They're
Speaker 1: afraid to tell each other. It's been years. It's kind
Speaker 1: of Dawson's Creek. Basically, they're finally, like lifelong, are finally
Speaker 1: going to commit their love. One of the mess witness
Speaker 1: protection the other one. Now, we're actually not telling that
Speaker 1: one story, or maybe we are, but or really telling
Speaker 1: the story of the other one who's trying to find
Speaker 1: the love of their life, who's in witness Protection. No
Speaker 1: one will give them answers because it could en danger
Speaker 1: their life, and they have to decide do I want
Speaker 1: to endanger the person I love or do I want
Speaker 1: to walk away from them forever? And that's a decision
Speaker 1: that feels like it feels like an essay. Now that
Speaker 1: Pat is my creative partner, I don't want to undermine
Speaker 1: his vision. But I feel like that's not the that's
Speaker 1: if we're focusing on the one who is an improve
Speaker 1: Witness Protection, that feels like the less active story. But
Speaker 1: what if they're driving all over time? What if I
Speaker 1: see flashes of the person in Witness Protection in his
Speaker 1: new life. We don't know very much about it, We
Speaker 1: just don't wait. This is kind of like, this is
Speaker 1: kind of this is kind of like season one of
Speaker 1: Veronica Mars. I kind of like that, Oh yes, I
Speaker 1: love Veronica Mars and just rewatched it all on its entirety.
Speaker 1: And that's a part of culture that would be in
Speaker 1: the world. But I would answer for your famous question
Speaker 1: what made you like culture? That's not our question. First
Speaker 1: of all, can't we just stop right now that it's
Speaker 1: not the fucking question, and the disrespect that you've shown
Speaker 1: me not listening to the show first lifted you up.
Speaker 1: So I will say when I told Angelo seems sexual
Speaker 1: slash domestic partner that I was coming on the show,
Speaker 1: I said, where I got my start one time I
Speaker 1: did it. I'm showing with this woman who said who
Speaker 1: literally claimed every single place was the was where she
Speaker 1: got her stuff. He was this order of lesbian woman.
Speaker 1: It used to be in New York. Can I go
Speaker 1: just like where you before? I'm like, I don't. I
Speaker 1: didn't show the dupot to night. Do you know it
Speaker 1: goes know it? That's where I gonna say, every single
Speaker 1: space that is so good that you met her. That's
Speaker 1: so in my vocabulary of this reminds me of that
Speaker 1: other lesbian person we met at our show in Denver. Wait,
Speaker 1: I'm so mad that you guys did you guys did
Speaker 1: to three Austin, Chicago and Denver, and of course Pat
Speaker 1: Patrick and I Patrick Patrick and I famously did a
Speaker 1: just a shockingly good show at the Bellhouse together. You
Speaker 1: really are the third culture. As though I've been taking
Speaker 1: a step away from the podcasting space, I did with
Speaker 1: the text message from shout out to our former family
Speaker 1: member Meg Pope, and they did so you were mentioned,
Speaker 1: and they did say that you were mentioned in Lost
Speaker 1: Countries and it was so sweet. And I listened and
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, I kept bouncing on the episode,
Speaker 1: trying to findecifically in a moment, and I did. I
Speaker 1: did in trying to end up listening to a large
Speaker 1: amount of the episode and I said, thank God, I said,
Speaker 1: God works in mysterious ways. I needed this today and
Speaker 1: then um I found it and it was so nice. Well,
Speaker 1: that's how we feel, that's how we feel. We love you,
Speaker 1: that's how we feel. I want to circle back to
Speaker 1: p was that we went on this huge tangent about
Speaker 1: this the swittest protection sitcom. But I've powers about to
Speaker 1: reveal the bravest thing he's ever done. Yeah, I said
Speaker 1: that my podcast that I that I wasn't crazy about Fleaback.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and look at it. And this was in
Speaker 1: response to Bowen positing that I might love Undoing if
Speaker 1: it was set in London. Okay, so and I and
Speaker 1: I actually I see now that that theory does not
Speaker 1: hold because, um, you you you have said on the
Speaker 1: record on this very up so that you're not an anglophile.
Speaker 1: I'm not an anglifi aw and that's something that took
Speaker 1: me really along to be okay with. Can I ask you?
Speaker 1: Can I ask you like, do you find yourself? Because
Speaker 1: I know you love shows that take place in New
Speaker 1: York City, but you know what it's like growing up
Speaker 1: on Long Island. I do not emphasize this city that
Speaker 1: you've lived in the shadow of, where there's people to
Speaker 1: be found, where there is um sort of counterculture to
Speaker 1: be found, where there might be even people who don't
Speaker 1: care about lacrosse that you can connect with, of course,
Speaker 1: and so, of course when I see these people on
Speaker 1: my strains, I would say interesting. And so do you
Speaker 1: think it's interesting like to watch the culkim across the street?
Speaker 1: And do you think there's do you think there's symbolism
Speaker 1: in watching her across the street that they keep showing
Speaker 1: it every other shot. First of all, first of all,
Speaker 1: before this, before the car gets away from us. Let
Speaker 1: me just say that I like the show, and I
Speaker 1: like the show. I don't I think that, um, I
Speaker 1: think it's heavy handed we and I think they say
Speaker 1: everything twice in it. Have you noticed? So this is
Speaker 1: this is where choice I think it is to be like,
Speaker 1: we do this thing. I'm saying things twice. You know.
Speaker 1: So last night you texted us and you asked, have
Speaker 1: you gotten to the cocksucker line yet? So in the
Speaker 1: fourth episode of The Undoing, Donald Sutherland has a moment
Speaker 1: where he's explaining to Hugh Grant spoiler alert that he
Speaker 1: will come after him because he's a real cocksucker. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: he's He's explained to the principle of the school. Oh yes, yes,
Speaker 1: that's what it is. He's like, I'm a coucusucker. I'm
Speaker 1: a cocksucker. And he said he says it like he
Speaker 1: says it like I'm a cock sucker. He adds an
Speaker 1: extra vow, cous sucker. He says cocus cocksucker. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: what's the deal with that? I don't know, but Sutherland
Speaker 1: just talks the way he talks and we should all
Speaker 1: just let him. I always think is he British and
Speaker 1: then like the answer is really no. But the thing is,
Speaker 1: the thing is is that, Um, I don't even have
Speaker 1: a problem with the delivery of the line. I think
Speaker 1: Donald did you know the best he with that It
Speaker 1: was a really strange um piece of writing that I
Speaker 1: want to understand. Yeah, I don't. Yeah, I want to
Speaker 1: sign a positive or negative value to it. But I
Speaker 1: did find it a strange bit of writing. The cocksucker line, Um, well,
Speaker 1: you know, in a show like this, the i'mdoing, um,
Speaker 1: you know who done it? Everything matters. So I don't
Speaker 1: know if I don't know if you've been listening to
Speaker 1: every word. But like, for example, when she told that
Speaker 1: story in the first episode about why Hugh Grant doesn't
Speaker 1: like dogs, that to me, there's no you know who
Speaker 1: done it? There's no unimportant scenes or like every Yes,
Speaker 1: this is like it's sort of everything. I actually disagree
Speaker 1: with that theory. No, no, no, I'm telling you everything's
Speaker 1: gonna come back famously love Who've done it? You know,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I read, uh, I'm reading. I get the
Speaker 1: Christie in the order of publication. And I'm a big
Speaker 1: fan of the Who've Done a verse? And I think
Speaker 1: in a book like that, that's strictly who done it? Yes,
Speaker 1: but you but you have account for red herrings. You
Speaker 1: have to account for the fact that this is who
Speaker 1: done it of course first and foremost. But it's also
Speaker 1: a drama, right, So there of course something in that
Speaker 1: space that's kind of clouding that the economy of a
Speaker 1: Who've done that, where nothing is wasted, that kind of
Speaker 1: using all parts of the whale as it were. Absolutely
Speaker 1: what do we think of the buffalo? I think either
Speaker 1: one work. I think either one either both of them
Speaker 1: are called equally culturally sensitive and both both deserve to
Speaker 1: have their entire selves used. That's true. I think that
Speaker 1: there's some signific I think I think you know what's
Speaker 1: a red herring to me is um Connie Chung. I
Speaker 1: was like, what is the signal? When Connie Chung was
Speaker 1: in the show? That was a moment in culture. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was a little anachronistic. It was interesting. I used
Speaker 1: to love her growing growing up in Long Island. She
Speaker 1: would be on my commercials. It would be her, she
Speaker 1: would be there she was based on Long Island. That
Speaker 1: was her haide, it was her heyday, like she was
Speaker 1: huge for news when I was she was huge, Chung
Speaker 1: was Oh my god, that whole thing. I was like,
Speaker 1: this would never happen, Like well, Connie Chung being like okay,
Speaker 1: so I don't know, I believe you convinced me, and
Speaker 1: then him being like okay, but I'm happy it happened
Speaker 1: on the show because that last shot of episode four
Speaker 1: was chilling to me. When he looked into the camera
Speaker 1: and she asked, do you have any idea who did this?
Speaker 1: And he said yeah, I do. I felt like, okay,
Speaker 1: So let's just ask this question of the three of us.
Speaker 1: Let's go to Bowen first read the undoing Who done it?
Speaker 1: Who done it? I think a lot of attention is
Speaker 1: being placed on that kid, on their son, and I'm
Speaker 1: very interested. It's it's it's ultimately a story about his development,
Speaker 1: his traumatic processing of this um of seeing his parents
Speaker 1: sort of unravel But it could be a thing where
Speaker 1: he found out about the affair and then just inhumanely
Speaker 1: sort of committed this disgusting crime. You feel that The
Speaker 1: Sun played by actor Noah Juke Noah, Yes, who's very British.
Speaker 1: By the way, he's going to be a star, huge star,
Speaker 1: handsome boy and good actor. Careful, careful, I'm allowed. I'm
Speaker 1: allowed to remark on the boys good looks. Well he
Speaker 1: did he did have like a sex scene and honey
Speaker 1: boy didn't he? Oh, I don't like that. I know. Wait,
Speaker 1: should we cut this all out? No, We're definitely keeping
Speaker 1: it because it's our responsibility to make sure people know
Speaker 1: that people like you were out there. Um. But what
Speaker 1: I want to ask you right now is who done
Speaker 1: it on the undoing? That's my that's my theory. I
Speaker 1: literally he said, said said he solved it. Okay, I
Speaker 1: saw the case. You know who did it? Who? Donald Sutherland?
Speaker 1: He found out about the affair. He never liked this guy.
Speaker 1: He was at that event and he left early. Um,
Speaker 1: and he now is so desperate to have her believe
Speaker 1: that the husband did it. Oh my god, I really
Speaker 1: think it was Donald and I'm really good and he
Speaker 1: threatened you. Grant's character in the sl Yes, he's also
Speaker 1: like like like um, sad and anxious in a strange way,
Speaker 1: Like did you notice in that last episode the way
Speaker 1: he was like crying apologizing to Nicole and begging for
Speaker 1: her forgiveness. I was just like, he's really upset. There's
Speaker 1: something going on there, and sort of it's like, what
Speaker 1: is the narrative purpose of this character if not to
Speaker 1: have killed this woman? Do you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 1: what what else is he story besides this sort of
Speaker 1: sense of like, um conflict between her family and him,
Speaker 1: which I don't think is like justification enough for how
Speaker 1: much time he gets. Yeah, yeah, that's totally real. Um.
Speaker 1: And I guess I I should fault to me saying
Speaker 1: what I think, and I'm resting with it. I really
Speaker 1: feel like it could go either way. I think that
Speaker 1: I think that you both could be varying degrees of right.
Speaker 1: I think that Pat's really onto something, but I also
Speaker 1: think there might be something to the fact that Nicole.
Speaker 1: There's no spectrum of truth. Okay, you think Nicole did it.
Speaker 1: I think that it's possible Nicole did it because I
Speaker 1: think it's kind of interesting. I'm so sick of that
Speaker 1: type of thing where we realized the star the whole
Speaker 1: time had done it, like let me see enough for that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just no matter what the outcome is, I feel
Speaker 1: like I've seen every version of it, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, that's totally with the show. There's a version
Speaker 1: of it that I'm into, which is like Jodie Foster
Speaker 1: and Flight Plan where it's like they accused, Like there's
Speaker 1: a whole like the half of Actuo is them accusing
Speaker 1: her of of of losing the daughter. I love that movie.
Speaker 1: I never saw that movie, but should I watch it?
Speaker 1: I just yeah, Oh my god, you would love it.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you would love it. Isn't it Jodie Foster
Speaker 1: and Peter Scarsard and then um, and then I'm Sean Bean.
Speaker 1: Isn't it too? Oh? I love Sean Bean. Let's take
Speaker 1: a break and we're back. And here's the thing. I
Speaker 1: want to just kind of hard cut because one of
Speaker 1: the reasons I was so excited to have Patrick on
Speaker 1: today was because we have so much Housewives stuff to
Speaker 1: talk about and I really need the Housewives authority. And
Speaker 1: then at the end of the episode, we'll kind of
Speaker 1: have his special guest correspondent, grayze anatomy correspondent way in.
Speaker 1: But I need to know what my girls thought of
Speaker 1: the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City premier. I thought
Speaker 1: it was I think we're really being set up. I
Speaker 1: think I'm cautiously very optimistic. Me too, I think so.
Speaker 1: I I saw a snippet of the Watford Happens Live
Speaker 1: where they were all on like that. It was chaotic,
Speaker 1: that felt a little like Corey gra I mean all
Speaker 1: of it is, But yeah, I I can't tell yet
Speaker 1: after episode one of season one, I don't want to
Speaker 1: see what kind of terms they're all on now, Like,
Speaker 1: let that play out before me. Spoiler alert, don't Bowen
Speaker 1: Andy Collen, oh primer. I do think, like, like it
Speaker 1: was funny to watch them all have their first like
Speaker 1: appearance on watch What Happens Live be all together and
Speaker 1: on a zoom because it just felt like jumpy and
Speaker 1: like they were all trying to get their moment. You
Speaker 1: can tell who, like the fucking hogs are from the
Speaker 1: first episode the Hogs, I mean Jen is Jen, Mary
Speaker 1: and Lisa, I think, and Heather. I'm still in a
Speaker 1: place with um uh, with the with that with Salt
Speaker 1: Lake City where I need to know. Their names aren't
Speaker 1: enough for me to know who they are. So here's
Speaker 1: here's I can run it down Meith, Mary and Meredith.
Speaker 1: I know Mary is the pentecost is the first lady
Speaker 1: of the Pentecostal Church who married her stepgrandfather. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: famously have Jen who's the first Muslim housewife ever. She
Speaker 1: is married to a football coach, and she is she
Speaker 1: used to be Mormon and now she is Muslim. And
Speaker 1: as the Utah State Um, yes, yes, yes, he's a coach.
Speaker 1: You just say, it's crazy how much money college football
Speaker 1: coaches make. Well, they're certainly loaded. And then but I
Speaker 1: think she also has her own business. Um. And then um,
Speaker 1: there's Lisa Barlow, who I found out is actually the
Speaker 1: centerpiece from which they built out the cast. It was
Speaker 1: Lisa because because this originally was supposed to be about
Speaker 1: business women in Utah and they were not. It was
Speaker 1: never not going to be about Mormons. It was like
Speaker 1: it was like it was not supposed to be a
Speaker 1: housewives franchise. And then they saw what they had and
Speaker 1: they were like, this is a housewives franchise. I never
Speaker 1: understood as somebody who wasn't an anglifial, I never understood
Speaker 1: why they didn't do that with one of my favorite
Speaker 1: ladies of London, Ladies of London. But anyways, but anyways,
Speaker 1: Lisa Barlow is like Miss sun Bands apparently, and she
Speaker 1: owns tequila brands and she is an active Mormon, but
Speaker 1: she converted because she's culturally Jewish. Then speaking of Jewish,
Speaker 1: there's Meredith who has her gaye son, which is iconic
Speaker 1: to have the first gay son on a housewife's franchise.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember there was one situation where someone
Speaker 1: got outed by one of the other wife was a son,
Speaker 1: a son of the family early in house I think
Speaker 1: I want to say it was in Jersey. I was gonna, yeah,
Speaker 1: that feels I think it was in Jersey. Someone said
Speaker 1: someone was gay and they didn't want to And I
Speaker 1: cannot feel like your your son is gay would be
Speaker 1: a thing, a slurry thing someone would say on the
Speaker 1: done out of malice. It was more done, I think
Speaker 1: they were. It was like an ally of the not
Speaker 1: of the gay community, of the other housewife who was
Speaker 1: who was attached to the gay son. And I think
Speaker 1: it was just sort of like, I don't know, I
Speaker 1: don't somehow it came at that. It wasn't like your
Speaker 1: son's gay. It was more like referring him as a
Speaker 1: gay son. For a gay son to one day be
Speaker 1: attached to a house life is huge. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: a huge moment in history. Just no, just just to
Speaker 1: put it in Pat's um, in Pat's terminology. Just now, um,
Speaker 1: the house life attached to the gates. Maybe not not
Speaker 1: not the gay son, mother, the housewife, it's to the case. Um.
Speaker 1: So we see them sort of go on a hike.
Speaker 1: It's I was watching it with Jared in thirties. I
Speaker 1: I kid you, not. Fifteen seconds into them being on screen,
Speaker 1: he goes they're Jewish. He knew they were Jewish immediately.
Speaker 1: And then what else we have? We have Um Whitney,
Speaker 1: who we saw, we saw getting her vows renewed, um,
Speaker 1: and we find out that she was excommunicated from the
Speaker 1: Mormon Church. Well, that's that's a controversial. Now she says
Speaker 1: she's for having an affair with a married man while
Speaker 1: she was married that she worked with, and now she's
Speaker 1: sort of being reaccepted into it in a way. And
Speaker 1: finally we have Heather who is sort of has a
Speaker 1: complicated relationship with the Mormon Church being met. Um, she's
Speaker 1: divorced from one of the richest Mormons in the world.
Speaker 1: I guess yes, he there's off of the bat seems
Speaker 1: at least interesting to me. I think Heather feels like
Speaker 1: Rony Heather. There were so many similarities. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: do love it. The other one. I love a storyline
Speaker 1: where one refuses she met that te knew the other
Speaker 1: I went before. There was two iconic things that happened.
Speaker 1: I felt I don't know her, despite the fact that
Speaker 1: you definitely do and you smell like hospital. Smell like hospital. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Like it's um because especially knowing the cast was built
Speaker 1: out from Lisa, like she must have told producers she
Speaker 1: knew this woman. Literally. There was an interview where she's like, well,
Speaker 1: the first person I went to was Heather, and so
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, so you did know who she was.
Speaker 1: And I love the terminology of good Time Girl, where
Speaker 1: it was like I would have loved I wish that
Speaker 1: I was a good time It's my dream to go
Speaker 1: back to a real school and be a good time girl.
Speaker 1: And I would have looked Vagina that was dark that
Speaker 1: it was that it's her dream to go back to college. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but but but relatable in many ways. Okay, So I
Speaker 1: want to stay right off the bat that out of
Speaker 1: the six of them, I already know the one I
Speaker 1: identified with, and it is Lisa because she went to
Speaker 1: three different fast food restaurants with her kids and husband
Speaker 1: and out like a performance. To me, well, I believe
Speaker 1: that they don't cook. I believe that they don't cook. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just felt too hammed up in a way that
Speaker 1: was like, I just felt it was very like first
Speaker 1: day of filming. I'm going to show them that kind
Speaker 1: of mom I am, and not exactly one who cooks.
Speaker 1: I'm the one who goes to like, I don't know, well,
Speaker 1: fun her drag. I guess she didn't do a good
Speaker 1: enough job. You're so fucking rude. Why how come? How
Speaker 1: come when I say I identified with one you attack?
Speaker 1: I never do that. You did that? You did never
Speaker 1: did Ever. Though we did get into a scuffle on
Speaker 1: Twitter over Denise, didn't we I wasn't considering considering it
Speaker 1: a scuffle. I was considering it back and forth with
Speaker 1: a friend. I was considering it a good natured intellectual
Speaker 1: scuffle because you you are a good you are. But
Speaker 1: I think we're on the same side. We're both team Denise.
Speaker 1: I am team Denise. You know It's I don't always
Speaker 1: I'm not always on a team. Sometimes it's more like
Speaker 1: and sometimes I don't align everyone on the same team.
Speaker 1: We're all pick and choose, like you from that side,
Speaker 1: you from that side? Yeah, Um, I know we were
Speaker 1: arguing about We were arguing about Erica because you said,
Speaker 1: this is the first season you like Erica Jane and
Speaker 1: I said, I've always liked Dereka Jane until this season. Yes,
Speaker 1: and that and that was what we scuffed about. I
Speaker 1: relate to Pat's view on Erica, which is the aggressive
Speaker 1: pandering to the gays, um, which I think, which was
Speaker 1: your kind of like reasoning behind your sort of distaste
Speaker 1: for her, right, Yeah, and yes, yes, Anyways, I don't
Speaker 1: want to get off track. No, but who so who
Speaker 1: bow and Yang first? You? Who do you identify with
Speaker 1: on the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, Utah? I
Speaker 1: guess I'm I guess I'm either a Jen or a Meredith,
Speaker 1: Jen in the way that like we but we like
Speaker 1: we like sort of ostentatious things every now and then, um,
Speaker 1: or Meredith in terms of me just being But I
Speaker 1: guess you can't be either because Jenn and Meredith sort
Speaker 1: of pitted against each other in this episode in a
Speaker 1: way where it was Meredith party, but Jen made it
Speaker 1: admitted about herself. I don't I know that. I don't
Speaker 1: know that I would do that on Jen end part. No,
Speaker 1: I don't mean you. I don't see you as a
Speaker 1: gin Can I be honest, Mary, No, I don't think
Speaker 1: you're married. I think you might be. This is scary.
Speaker 1: I don't think you're I don't think you're Heather, but
Speaker 1: I should hope not. I think I'm a Meredith. You
Speaker 1: think you're Meredith. The only reason why I don't want
Speaker 1: you to necessarily be a Meredith Meredith is because and
Speaker 1: I don't wish that for you, is because out of
Speaker 1: the sex of the Meredith is the only one I
Speaker 1: thought maybe boring. Oh no, see, I'm a Meredith as well.
Speaker 1: I like Meredith. I'm married this as well. But that
Speaker 1: makes sense because me and Born are both Scorpios. And
Speaker 1: so if you're a Scorpio and you're a Meredith, I'm
Speaker 1: doing a study, so please DM me. And if you're
Speaker 1: willing to do a trial where you live in a
Speaker 1: lab for nine weeks as a Scorpio who's a Meredith,
Speaker 1: then please ye me. Maybe you are because because both Meredith,
Speaker 1: Meredith and Lisa are best friends. And that's and if
Speaker 1: I'm saying I identify as a Lisa. That makes sense
Speaker 1: for me to read both of you. So I'm trying
Speaker 1: to figure out, Like I'm there was something early on
Speaker 1: that made me go I love Meredith, and I can't
Speaker 1: remember this is someone said this? I think I don't
Speaker 1: know if it was up or for was someone else.
Speaker 1: But um, the fact that Meredith is not like pointing out,
Speaker 1: like emphasizing the fact that her son is gay. Yes,
Speaker 1: she just tastefully has a Gason. She does, he's not
Speaker 1: so far has not made a big deal out of it.
Speaker 1: I respect that she's just tastefully the house life attached
Speaker 1: to the Gayson. But wait, can I ask you guys
Speaker 1: a question? Her husband Seth screams second family to me. Oh,
Speaker 1: there's always one. I could certainly see it being him. Um.
Speaker 1: It's weird to think that we're getting to know these
Speaker 1: women and it will capital w get to a place
Speaker 1: where we are. We are seeing life shattering, the world
Speaker 1: altering drama before them. I feel like I know who's
Speaker 1: not going to make a back into Whitney. Whitney Whitney. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's too disconnected and she doesn't she hasn't. She's certainly done. Um,
Speaker 1: interesting things He's made interesting choices, but she herself doesn't
Speaker 1: strike me as interesting. I'm not desperate to know what
Speaker 1: she's about to say. Sure, her main storyline was off screen.
Speaker 1: Her cousin was like, I'm happy for yours. Well, we
Speaker 1: saw we saw that. We saw that from the shoulder
Speaker 1: down from the Pat, did you did you go with
Speaker 1: us to see Sense of Boulevard on Broadway? No? No,
Speaker 1: I saw um on island Once on this Island with you? Oh? Yes?
Speaker 1: And then and then Patt and I went to go
Speaker 1: see Slave Pat. Pat isn't for all of Pats a
Speaker 1: version to theater. I rejected that notion, and I think
Speaker 1: Pat actually loves well. But he said one of my
Speaker 1: favorite things that I've ever heard leaving a theater, which
Speaker 1: was as we're leaving Once on this Island, which Bone
Speaker 1: and I loved, I really love on this Island. We
Speaker 1: were leaving and I said, Pat, what did you think?
Speaker 1: He goes. I didn't like it. She was mentally ill
Speaker 1: and then helped the main characters of that felt. The
Speaker 1: main characters that film I think struggled. I think Um
Speaker 1: there was decision making and that in her that I
Speaker 1: didn't understand, and I thought she needed someone to talk to.
Speaker 1: But I'm also, um, do you feel that way about
Speaker 1: Ariel in The Little Mormid? Because they're very similar stories.
Speaker 1: Almost every female character is mentally ill if you really
Speaker 1: track it down before five Well, I think, I mean
Speaker 1: I think that, Yeah, anyone who was like immediately like
Speaker 1: I've met you and now there was something in that
Speaker 1: play where I was like, there was some moment where
Speaker 1: I was like, this is this? Well, she sees him
Speaker 1: immediately and she sings about the stranger and white the
Speaker 1: rest of them, thinking how did she recognize I remember
Speaker 1: thinking how she even recognized him? They didn't even meet
Speaker 1: or something like that. I remember thinking she should go
Speaker 1: and move on with her life instead of, um, going
Speaker 1: with instead of being obsessed with this guy. Sure, I
Speaker 1: don't remember the play quite well enough to really I
Speaker 1: think maybe maybe what maybe what upset you is when
Speaker 1: she gets thrown out of the kingdom and she sits
Speaker 1: outside the gate for three weeks. Ultimately stars I was
Speaker 1: a girl, she turns into a tree, is really what happens?
Speaker 1: That is, Yeah, I didn't like that, and that didn't happen,
Speaker 1: and that didn't happen in what We're made with Sunset Boulevard.
Speaker 1: Bone is referencing when Bone and I went for my
Speaker 1: birthday and we were we were in the literal like
Speaker 1: truly one of the last in the theater to see
Speaker 1: Glenn close in Sunset Boulevard and she comes out and
Speaker 1: makes her amazing first entrance and all we could see
Speaker 1: was her little feet and people looking out here of
Speaker 1: this like and people were flipping out. We were streaming. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that sucks, I am I you know speaking of this.
Speaker 1: You know I saw it the New just before quarantine.
Speaker 1: I saw an opening night. I hate to call myself
Speaker 1: the sort of theater metropolitan man who lives in New York,
Speaker 1: Who is guy? Um what? I saw the New West
Speaker 1: Side Story with Isaac Cole Powell. Yes, I saw the
Speaker 1: day before lockdown. Oh, I saw it like a few
Speaker 1: days before lockdown. So I guess a little bit before you,
Speaker 1: I guess, And then you must have seen that I
Speaker 1: saw it, and then you saw it soon after. You
Speaker 1: probably influenced Poe's decision. You're an influencer. But you, guys
Speaker 1: do you guys both know that Isaac Cole Powell, who
Speaker 1: was the lead US story, was the lead and once
Speaker 1: on a siland and say that I was attracted to
Speaker 1: him both of those um roles very attractive sexually. And secondly, um,
Speaker 1: I was second row of that which I felt like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, they gave us it was this great
Speaker 1: seat and it was one of these events that we
Speaker 1: went to, was like an opening and uh so we went.
Speaker 1: We didn't know what seat and for when we could
Speaker 1: not find our the young woman who was going to
Speaker 1: give us our tickets, who was a very speak or
Speaker 1: nice and we're trying to get her attention, and then
Speaker 1: we turned her into literally in our face, truly breathing
Speaker 1: on us as we were like looking, was Vanessa Hudgens like,
Speaker 1: that's insane. Well you and your same sex partner Angelo, Yes,
Speaker 1: I would say Angela might have touched her nose, but
Speaker 1: the side of his head. And anyways, they put in
Speaker 1: the second row and we were like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: this is so um they gave us good seats, but
Speaker 1: so much of it happens like on the screens that
Speaker 1: we truly couldn't see a play, Like we truly couldn't
Speaker 1: see the play. It's actually it's actually a rule of culture.
Speaker 1: Sometimes very close seats are not the best seats. That's rule.
Speaker 1: Filter number sometimes sometimes very close are not the best seats. Um,
Speaker 1: I want to get us back on track. Well, let's
Speaker 1: let's be quickly checking on Potomac. Yeah, so let's just
Speaker 1: chat about what did you feel about this last episode
Speaker 1: of I God, I really loved Wendy the beginning of
Speaker 1: the season. Now I'm just like, you got this exceptionalism narrative.
Speaker 1: He's got to stop this. I honor the fact that
Speaker 1: she is so educated. We all do, but she but
Speaker 1: the way that she sort of doesn't weaponize it, but like,
Speaker 1: I mean, just kind of lets it frame Every single
Speaker 1: conflict on that show is a little, it's it's it's
Speaker 1: a lot, and it's like, you gotta, you gotta ditch
Speaker 1: the exceptionalism narrative. This is this just applies for anybody
Speaker 1: where we are not, we are not, we are not,
Speaker 1: We're none of us are even that special. Do you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? I only have a bachelor's degree,
Speaker 1: and I felt comfortable saying that I have a Bachelor
Speaker 1: of Fine Arts. Wow, I have a b F Matt,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think better that. I don't
Speaker 1: help that I'm humiliate. I won't, I won't, I won't
Speaker 1: ever again, seriously, don't say that I'm waving my arms
Speaker 1: in the air, which is my state. That's what I produces.
Speaker 1: To cut that, I think. Um. I really also identify
Speaker 1: with Bowen Yang and what he was saying because I
Speaker 1: really loved Wendy so much and I still do, like
Speaker 1: I still do. I am a very forgiving person. Or
Speaker 1: if I like you, you really can do kind of
Speaker 1: stupid ship for a little while and then I'll still
Speaker 1: like you, like I still love Kenya more, I still
Speaker 1: love Bethany, I still I still have love for Teresa. Teresa,
Speaker 1: I don't have love for Renna. Actually, that's so stupid.
Speaker 1: That's really disrespectful to say. And I call it. They
Speaker 1: all have varying levels of I call immunity. And I
Speaker 1: said this on the thread, but like for me, Robin
Speaker 1: is someone who has immunity. Where do I always agree
Speaker 1: with her? And it's should she have included Karen in
Speaker 1: her website? Absolutely? Yeah, that was The pictures weren't even bad.
Speaker 1: When she said these pictures are not usable and then
Speaker 1: showed like these kind of stunning pictures of Karen, I
Speaker 1: was like, bitch. And then when she told when she
Speaker 1: said under confessional that she remembers years ago when Karen
Speaker 1: said she didn't like raise Dick. Oh yes, yes, yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: Robin was doing a lot. Robin is being messy. But
Speaker 1: she's someone who was like, Okay, you shouldn't be doing
Speaker 1: a space of like you, Monique. As someone who's in
Speaker 1: that category with like, I can be firmly on your
Speaker 1: side while acknowledging that you've been like in Monique. First, Candice,
Speaker 1: I am on monique side while knowing that she is
Speaker 1: very much in the wrong in that situation. I'm I'm
Speaker 1: finding that I agree with Pat Regan in all things. Yeah. Wow,
Speaker 1: I think I agree with Patrick and Bowen because I
Speaker 1: am also rooting for God. I am also rooting for
Speaker 1: Monique and knowing that what she did was wrong. I
Speaker 1: just I can't get on team Candice. I can't. No,
Speaker 1: I've I've always struggled with Candice from an early age,
Speaker 1: and I think that, um, I think we've all spoken
Speaker 1: about Karen having this sort of redemption story where and
Speaker 1: I'm also experiencing that to a lesser degree, but nonetheless
Speaker 1: that I'm experiencing it with Ashley, who I really didn't
Speaker 1: like for a long time, and now she's kind of episode. Yes,
Speaker 1: I mean she's going to she's going to get some ship.
Speaker 1: I think for the next episode. I think on Twitter
Speaker 1: people won't be happy with her. But because she's like
Speaker 1: going against Candy, like what is It's like, I I
Speaker 1: want to decentralize Candice from this this narrative. I've I've
Speaker 1: said the word decentralized a lot this episode, but as
Speaker 1: you have to, and sometimes an episode calls for that,
Speaker 1: thank you, But I feel like it's like the whole,
Speaker 1: the whole, the whole, like atmosphere of the episodes lately
Speaker 1: has been make sure we don't piss off Candice. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I know, I think that. Um. I loved Karen's impression
Speaker 1: of Wendy walking down the stairs by the way, and no,
Speaker 1: I know I think that. Um, but I think actually
Speaker 1: it feels like why are you? What it's insane is
Speaker 1: for Monique to be suing Candice is crazy, right, and
Speaker 1: so for actually to be lending support to that moment,
Speaker 1: for someone to like truly beat the ship out of
Speaker 1: you and then be like, I'm actually suing you because
Speaker 1: I beat the ship out of you, it's crazy and um,
Speaker 1: so for actually to be like she those are like
Speaker 1: for her to like this thing, being like she's definitely
Speaker 1: not cool. Judge like is kind of like, actually, don't
Speaker 1: worry about it, you know what I mean, Like I
Speaker 1: don't know that Candice needs to be sued over this,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Well, Okay, so in my
Speaker 1: experience sharing space digitally virtually with Monique, Samuel's oh yes,
Speaker 1: which she's she's countersuing with with this like sort of
Speaker 1: testimony that Candice was the aggressor and she kind of
Speaker 1: actually even landed the first blow, which we which from
Speaker 1: the footage we've seen, is not true. But then Moniqu
Speaker 1: kept saying to Andy like I'll have I'm bringing receipts
Speaker 1: to the reunion, which we should we shot. We shot
Speaker 1: this episode like before, and then they just finished the
Speaker 1: union and they say it might be four parts. Yes,
Speaker 1: I saw that, um, And so Monique, Monique's whole thing
Speaker 1: is like bringing in actual undoctored footage quote unquote that
Speaker 1: Cannie was the first person to like start the fight.
Speaker 1: But so she's not even saying that on the show
Speaker 1: though she's talking about this wine class. Um. Yes, an
Speaker 1: Candace story that I mean, there was definitely a long
Speaker 1: period of time where her could have been let go
Speaker 1: of you know what I mean, Like I mean Monique
Speaker 1: was attacking her viciously and ran back to her. Yes
Speaker 1: this being said, I am anti Monique, but um and
Speaker 1: I think Karen's handling it with much of palm. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you. Um I just wanted to ask one more
Speaker 1: Housewives question before we get before we bring the correspondent
Speaker 1: part of you in, which is, what are your thoughts
Speaker 1: on Cathy Hilton joining the Beverly Hills Housewives. Is this
Speaker 1: just another way for them to pad team Kyle or
Speaker 1: do you think it will get interesting? So, Kyle someone
Speaker 1: whom I is another one that I forgive kind of
Speaker 1: And that's why. And that's why me and Lenna have
Speaker 1: a strange Renna have a strange relationship because, um I
Speaker 1: just Wrenna. Something about her just drives me crazy. Like
Speaker 1: when she said you're so angry, she could have been
Speaker 1: talking to me. She could have been done to me
Speaker 1: at that moment. And yeah, and she knows that and
Speaker 1: that's why she are are you are so? And Kathy?
Speaker 1: I think it's what the fans have wanted for a
Speaker 1: long time. We want to see all which, by the way,
Speaker 1: I did you guys watch the Paracels and doc. Yes,
Speaker 1: a big part of the Parcelson doc is that she
Speaker 1: has like eighteen m laptops, and when asked why, she's like,
Speaker 1: I just every time I break up with the guy,
Speaker 1: I have to get a new laptop because they might
Speaker 1: break into my old laptop. The logic doesn't make any
Speaker 1: sense at all, and it's like, okay, cool. But I
Speaker 1: think that documentary is the reason why Kathy is finally
Speaker 1: doing the show because I think that her reputation took
Speaker 1: a huge hit. Documentary came out because yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: and always says he wants Chris and I and I do.
Speaker 1: We don't need to Chris. I don't think she'll ever
Speaker 1: do it. I think she might. I mean, she's done
Speaker 1: with e you know, she will never do something that
Speaker 1: she cannot produces, not control of her that's true. She's
Speaker 1: never going to allow her image to be manipulated by
Speaker 1: someone else, now that she's made probably close to a
Speaker 1: billion dollars doing about herself. Yeah, that's True's true. Anyways,
Speaker 1: I think Kathy has got to know. Kathy has problems
Speaker 1: with Renna. I've seen that that's going on. They're already
Speaker 1: feuding on social media, So I think it's Renn has
Speaker 1: come up into the season. Yeah, it's it's time for
Speaker 1: N to have a bit of a fall, I think.
Speaker 1: And Garcella, I think, I think this is what I think.
Speaker 1: I think Kyle, who's been photographed shooting with Garcelle, is
Speaker 1: recruiting Garcelle because I think Kyle sees an opportunity to
Speaker 1: like bring garcell in because Garcela has a bad taste
Speaker 1: in her mouth Rerena from last season. So I think
Speaker 1: that garcell will get kind of um persuaded to join
Speaker 1: Team Richards, which which includes Kathy and can happen when too.
Speaker 1: I feel like when two people are such foes one season,
Speaker 1: they end up being allies because it's like we saw
Speaker 1: that with um, we saw that with Teddy and Dret
Speaker 1: last and also Eric Erica and Durt Erica and Dret
Speaker 1: and we're seeing that with Monique and Ashley and um.
Speaker 1: So whatever. But the other thing is one more thing
Speaker 1: I have to say about housewives. What I've noticed in
Speaker 1: me pause for driving this is beautiful. What I've noticed
Speaker 1: it me is for some reason, I'm so drawn to
Speaker 1: the betas, like I love cost lives that are like
Speaker 1: kind of the underlings of of an alpha and so
Speaker 1: like my favorite house lives across the board are Robin
Speaker 1: Dolores from Jersey, Um, Stephanie from Dallas. Stephanie from Dallas
Speaker 1: is one of the queens. She's one of my she's
Speaker 1: one of my course, she's in my all sar cast
Speaker 1: i'd loved um. Carol was huge for me, and um,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a beta. I guess no, no, no, but
Speaker 1: I love no Carol falls. And you guys can be
Speaker 1: Carol and Heather if you want for Halloween. If you're
Speaker 1: you're saying that I should be Heather for Halloween, I
Speaker 1: see you two as Carol and Heather for Halloween, okay.
Speaker 1: And and I'm Bessiny and and that they though honestly
Speaker 1: that should be and I'm Desfini, and I do think that, Um,
Speaker 1: that's logically logically. My favorite on Atlanta should be Cynthia,
Speaker 1: I feel like, but for some reason, in Atlanta the
Speaker 1: pattern is broken. And my favorites on Atlanta are Porsche
Speaker 1: and Kenya is the number one. And so yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean Porsche is um incredible. She should have like
Speaker 1: a huge career in scripted. I'm gonna go Porsche should
Speaker 1: have a huge career in scripted. See Porsche. I think
Speaker 1: is an alpha who needs to be taken care of,
Speaker 1: and I feel like you, I think, I think that's
Speaker 1: very pat Yeah, maybe I look for the ones who
Speaker 1: need taking care of it. Maybe that's how I feel.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's how I feel. I have a different take
Speaker 1: on Porsha, which is that she's a beta who rose
Speaker 1: very quickly to alpha and too fast to where it
Speaker 1: was messy. But now she's settled into her alpha status
Speaker 1: and it's enjoyable. But she had a rocky road. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean she literal, she literal really Monique Kenya, she
Speaker 1: literally dragged her. I loved when they were like getting along,
Speaker 1: you know. I saw Joel I was went to set
Speaker 1: in the audience of Joels keep on with Kenya, and
Speaker 1: I just remember that was after the premiere of Atlanta,
Speaker 1: so we hadn't seen it yet, and Kenya was saying
Speaker 1: to her in port here in this great place, and
Speaker 1: I'd love to hear it. But now it seems like
Speaker 1: they were kind of um not anymore. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: know if they'll ever be best. I hope I'm being
Speaker 1: interesting because I don't feel like I'm being funny, that's
Speaker 1: that's okay. Every time you come on three hours of
Speaker 1: sleeping at last night? Why why? I don't even understand why. Basically, um, basically,
Speaker 1: we got a crazy sleep schedule that somehow resulted in
Speaker 1: two nights ago and me sleeping from four am to
Speaker 1: one pm and then napping from six pm to eight pm.
Speaker 1: So this is crazy. And I could not fall asleep
Speaker 1: into almost seven am, and then I woke up at
Speaker 1: ten am. That's shocking. What was it? What? What? What
Speaker 1: brought on the sleep schedule? Like the first domino falling,
Speaker 1: it was the domino that did faull was just quarantine
Speaker 1: and I happened eight months ago, and now it's the
Speaker 1: learning behavior. It's the first domino fell eight months ago.
Speaker 1: That has been another domino. What a sick, kind of
Speaker 1: torturous time for the dominoes to keep falling so hard? Wait?
Speaker 1: Can I can I actually confront you about something? Oh?
Speaker 1: Of course that's Mike came on the show. I feel that, Um,
Speaker 1: so this is this is something very sensitive to me.
Speaker 1: I got really into Survivor and I would often try
Speaker 1: to like engage with you about it, and I felt
Speaker 1: that you shut me down repeatedly. You're laughing, tiling, and
Speaker 1: you know it's true. And I feel that can I
Speaker 1: say what I feel? I feel that you thought I
Speaker 1: was trying to like take Survivor being your thing, and
Speaker 1: that was not the case. Pat, I hear you. First
Speaker 1: of all, I don't feel survivor is my thing, even
Speaker 1: pause for Paul for gravitas. I think that, um, no,
Speaker 1: it's Chris Kelly's it's Chris Kelly's thing. It's our ultimately survivors,
Speaker 1: Aaron Jackson's thing. And no, that's that, that's that's true,
Speaker 1: that's right. I think that what was poking insecurity? Okay,
Speaker 1: and now I'm getting vulnerable and I'm being cowering after
Speaker 1: she's had a couple um yeah um ums you too.
Speaker 1: I think are both very enthusiastic about the culture that
Speaker 1: you love, and that's what we the universal we love
Speaker 1: about you guys. Okay, but I think that Survivor is
Speaker 1: something that has always felt neats to me in this
Speaker 1: New York gay world, it suddenly felt like and and
Speaker 1: Parvety was someone who was really special to me and
Speaker 1: important to me m developmentally and yeah even more, Yeah,
Speaker 1: she is the reason that I um came out and
Speaker 1: I think that. So I just think I was like,
Speaker 1: you know how we all feel. But you could draw
Speaker 1: the same comparison of I'm someone who got very into
Speaker 1: jag Grace, very like the game. So it's the same
Speaker 1: same comparisons could be John. Then I'm here to say
Speaker 1: they can. I absolutely feel because in some way I
Speaker 1: was like, wait after you and I feel this way
Speaker 1: about man a lot of times where I'm like, I've
Speaker 1: told you about this thing for years and now you're
Speaker 1: on board, and now you're now you're fully like kind
Speaker 1: of blossoming in the space that is untethered from like
Speaker 1: my like pushing this on you for years and years
Speaker 1: and years, like I do I acknowledge about Jack Grayce
Speaker 1: is that U it is insane that I like, truly
Speaker 1: for decades decades, I'm aging myself with how long I
Speaker 1: have I watched Dry Grace and um, and I don't
Speaker 1: know what I just you know what happened is I
Speaker 1: made it through because I remember watching this season stuff
Speaker 1: and premiere at Bowen's apartment, um, back in the day
Speaker 1: and not connecting and not getting it, and then UM,
Speaker 1: one time at Lulu Cross is I'm me and Matt
Speaker 1: and Henry watched a different season from Youre an old
Speaker 1: one and I don't remember which one, and I couldn't connect.
Speaker 1: And then I tried to watch season four by myself
Speaker 1: one time and it was like the zombie thing and
Speaker 1: I was like, this is so long, and I couldn't
Speaker 1: It was not the right time and place. The trips
Speaker 1: have fallen in the right way now where you can
Speaker 1: enjoy it now in decades after everyone else. And it
Speaker 1: was watching with and she was he was able to contextualize.
Speaker 1: I could ask things like, what were people saying at
Speaker 1: the time? You know what I mean? Sometimes you just
Speaker 1: need that kind of what we're someone to tell you
Speaker 1: what people were saying at the time, because you obviously
Speaker 1: are watching you wa It's like, how do people feel
Speaker 1: about Sharon? I need to have that conversation, need someone
Speaker 1: to represent Yeah, And so I guess, I guess, so
Speaker 1: I guess. So for me, what I'm saying, which is
Speaker 1: the reason why I brought this up, is that I
Speaker 1: and literally almost exact same as you're saying, was sort
Speaker 1: of looking to engage with you, my close friend about it,
Speaker 1: and I felt that, you know what, sort of one
Speaker 1: word answer or even worse, L O L me sometimes
Speaker 1: when I when I wanted to say, like wow, Ken
Speaker 1: from Millennials gen X is so hot or whatever, and
Speaker 1: so like you know, that's I guess That's all I'm
Speaker 1: saying is I was hurt by it and that and
Speaker 1: the ball is in your court. Okay, So I'm gonna
Speaker 1: take the ball and dribble a couple of times and
Speaker 1: start driving towards the hoop. By saying that I really
Speaker 1: saw it as a ball. I really saw it as
Speaker 1: a tennis ball. I think that because I think I
Speaker 1: think the expression is basketball. Yeah, I've always thought basketball.
Speaker 1: I'll have to ask. I'll check in with the panel. No,
Speaker 1: they say they're upset that there. They they can't agree.
Speaker 1: One of them says basketball, one of them says tennis.
Speaker 1: Who's saying who's saying what? Megan is sort of very
Speaker 1: loudly saying it's basketball, and Abby is sort of very
Speaker 1: quietly saying she thinks it's tennis. And unfortunately three votes
Speaker 1: for bath that still three votes for basketball took alright,
Speaker 1: So so anyway, what are you gonna do with the ball? No,
Speaker 1: I acknowledge that I understand where you felt that. I
Speaker 1: think there was discomfort, but I do think, and I'll said,
Speaker 1: and I'm not saying this is your fault, but this
Speaker 1: is where it's coming from. It was very much like
Speaker 1: a very public I get this, and I think because
Speaker 1: to me, it's different in this way, like drag Race
Speaker 1: is something that in our in our little circle, is
Speaker 1: very celebrated and everyone and everyone watches him. So it's
Speaker 1: like for me to like drag Race doesn't feel like
Speaker 1: I'm claiming it. And then because Survivor was something that's
Speaker 1: been so I could only talk to a couple of
Speaker 1: people about for all these years. I'm sorry if I
Speaker 1: start crying, but you thought, who does this? Bit is
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, now it's publicly, so publicly and
Speaker 1: so enthusiastically, like for some thing that poked at something
Speaker 1: in me, Okay, and that happens. We're all human beings. Pat.
Speaker 1: I want to first of all, Matt, I want to
Speaker 1: say that I share, I share this, I share in
Speaker 1: this sort of um confounded nous around Pats sort of
Speaker 1: I can't say, I can't say I understand still to this,
Speaker 1: to this moment, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on,
Speaker 1: hold on. And then I want to say, Pat, thank
Speaker 1: you so much for so cogently like putting that into words,
Speaker 1: and like, I'm but I gotta say, I understand this
Speaker 1: completely from Pat's point of view, and completely I see
Speaker 1: you have to understand this is the time when I,
Speaker 1: you know whatever, you guys had this huge platform, or
Speaker 1: you're getting to talk to heroes of mine. Of course
Speaker 1: there do you want to? Can I tell you something?
Speaker 1: I would? There was a part of me that was like,
Speaker 1: we should bring Pat into the part of the episode,
Speaker 1: and that would have been such a moment. But then
Speaker 1: when all my text works started going unresponded to, that's
Speaker 1: a lesson. Yeah, yes that was image. I understand that
Speaker 1: was a matorm But I'm messy and I'm imperfect, and
Speaker 1: I'm what house does this make it? What house does
Speaker 1: this make you? Should makes me a little bit? I
Speaker 1: think I could see Bethany doing this. This is a
Speaker 1: little bit m Bethany Sonya sees an eight Jeeter brand,
Speaker 1: Tipsy girl, vodka girl, Oh yeah, I got you. This
Speaker 1: is a little bit of that screaming at This is
Speaker 1: me screaming at you, sending down to my elevator. You
Speaker 1: sobbing um because I because I called my thing tipsy girl,
Speaker 1: because he called you tipsy girl. But I am not expressing,
Speaker 1: um that I think I was correct. I'm just saying
Speaker 1: that that was probably where it was coming from. That's
Speaker 1: kind of an iconic way to say sorry, I am
Speaker 1: not expressing that I think I was correct. Let's see
Speaker 1: as as a fellow, as a fellow scorpio who could
Speaker 1: be emeriti like I really I get this, thank you,
Speaker 1: And that's when and so helped would have another scrupio
Speaker 1: who could be murdered like around just the kind of
Speaker 1: cohense that you're a girl, You're not crazy. That's just
Speaker 1: what it is to be a scrupio who could be
Speaker 1: a merit of and Um and as me of Pisces
Speaker 1: who just wants to love you, know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like it's so sometimes I just love too hard about you.
Speaker 1: I will say this about Matt Rogers. I do think
Speaker 1: you're very good at coming from a place of abundance
Speaker 1: and not feeling so much jealous. Like you never seem
Speaker 1: jealous or better, which is I think a skill that
Speaker 1: I have not mastered. You always seem interested in like um,
Speaker 1: you never seem territorial territorial. You always seem like you
Speaker 1: want to lift lift the tides which I don't want
Speaker 1: to do for me. For me, I let fear come
Speaker 1: in and I say, you have some I don't have
Speaker 1: as much. You know what I mean? But Pat, what
Speaker 1: you should know and I'm gonna I'm gonna throw a
Speaker 1: superlative out there. But what Pat should now is that
Speaker 1: despite irrespective of that jealous instinct, I think anyone would
Speaker 1: want to hear what you have to say about anything,
Speaker 1: which is why, which is why I understand, and that's
Speaker 1: where this is coming from her, Like I want to
Speaker 1: know what Pat thinks. I know, I don't know what
Speaker 1: what I know what you guys don't. Baby, you don't
Speaker 1: have to explain it any further. I think you've I
Speaker 1: think you've explained it. I wish I could build a
Speaker 1: machine and go back in time, but I can't build
Speaker 1: a machine. And as said, and now we said it,
Speaker 1: but I and now we've said it, and I if
Speaker 1: I could build a machine, I would, but I can't
Speaker 1: build a machine. And if I could, I wouldn't want
Speaker 1: to because life is beautiful as it happens, and the
Speaker 1: book is being written every second, preach sister, now before
Speaker 1: we move on, I don't think so, honey, we say
Speaker 1: that I need to know you as our Gray's Anatomy
Speaker 1: Last Culture Reasons correspondent. What is going on? We know
Speaker 1: that since some ship went down. Yes, Um, wait, so
Speaker 1: I'm actually a bad correspondent. I'm bad at my full
Speaker 1: time job, which these which I do get paid two
Speaker 1: dollars a year or four. I'm on salary at laws
Speaker 1: colot Races. I get two dollars a year or two
Speaker 1: to correspond on Grays. Money we have and I, um,
Speaker 1: you know, haven't really finished the premieria and I go
Speaker 1: through this with Grace. Shout out to one of the
Speaker 1: funniest people I've met recently, Ariel Cartland. If she's listening,
Speaker 1: I'm show. If she'll listen, you guys are my Ariel curls.
Speaker 1: She's so funny and she um told me she's also
Speaker 1: current on Grays and she's the one who told me this.
Speaker 1: But on Greatest Twitter there was um talk and spoiler alert.
Speaker 1: If you don't want even loose spoilers, shut your ears
Speaker 1: now and bowen. That's how you do it. And so
Speaker 1: so there's a list of characters that do have I
Speaker 1: I am dB credits this season the mind blowing. These
Speaker 1: characters include Izzy Stevens, George R O'Malley Adele. And by
Speaker 1: the way, when Ariel's I mean this list, I thought
Speaker 1: I was thinking of Adele the singer and I was
Speaker 1: like wow. And I was like wow, an amazing stunt
Speaker 1: casting and that would be a great patient. I could
Speaker 1: see Grays, I could see Adele coming in as like
Speaker 1: herself essentially, like as a big singer in the world,
Speaker 1: and like, yeah, it's just to perform like rote surgery
Speaker 1: on her. You know what I mean. Can't you see
Speaker 1: that they've done that for sure? But she would say
Speaker 1: I think that they did an episode where I think
Speaker 1: it was Derek it might have been his sister was
Speaker 1: had to do a brain surgery on someone who loved
Speaker 1: to play guitar, and the person didn't want him to
Speaker 1: clip out the piece of his brain that played guitar,
Speaker 1: So Derek hadham be awake and playing guitar the whole
Speaker 1: time he was operating on his brain. There ridiculous he
Speaker 1: would know not but not to cut out. Um. It's
Speaker 1: so it is a stock narrative where it's like a
Speaker 1: performer comes in that the surgeon like Burke, operated on
Speaker 1: a on a on like a horn on a sax player,
Speaker 1: a trumpet player that he loved she had operate on. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a trope within grades of this, like a very
Speaker 1: interesting way of raising the stakes, I will say of surgery,
Speaker 1: which already some would say of high stakes. High I
Speaker 1: think you have seen to stop with the exceptionalism. Guess
Speaker 1: guess what if someone is in a world class saxophone player,
Speaker 1: fair hands still matter, absolutely matter. I'll say that, say
Speaker 1: that that. Wait, okay, so okay, So we've Izzy George Adele,
Speaker 1: Callie Arizona, Um, I've heard Christina Christina. Christina was the
Speaker 1: other huge one. Basically, what this fear is right, that
Speaker 1: they're going to try to do zoom hang out or
Speaker 1: something that they're gonna it's gonna be a zoom from
Speaker 1: Christina the other fear. They did that with Christina though,
Speaker 1: where she was like and she was she was already
Speaker 1: in another hospital and and her and Meredith for facetiming
Speaker 1: all the time. Yes, they've done that. And they also
Speaker 1: did a thing where Christina was in a cold city
Speaker 1: with them the actor who played Mr. Finnian boy Meat's World,
Speaker 1: and she um only could talk to Mary Do on
Speaker 1: the phone for a few episodes. Yes, that's right, that's right.
Speaker 1: That was before she burned left, So it's interesting. I
Speaker 1: mean I think that what the question is, are they
Speaker 1: saying these what they end times? Like, is um Grace
Speaker 1: ending Katherine? Yeah, already talking about Kine coming back because
Speaker 1: I've always would be huge bore. I've always feld Grace's sexist.
Speaker 1: Because if we're gonna bring back Derek, who is bad
Speaker 1: at who is bad on set, if we're going to
Speaker 1: bring back Isaiah who is bad on set and said fag, like,
Speaker 1: could we have to them bring back is the unfortunately
Speaker 1: who ultimately had an annoying mom and never said fag.
Speaker 1: I never said fat to anyone. I agree with you wholeheartedly.
Speaker 1: I think I would love to see Katherine Heigel as
Speaker 1: Izzy back playing her iconic character. I mean that is
Speaker 1: how we all fell in love with her, and many
Speaker 1: of us are still in love with Katherine Heigel, and
Speaker 1: we would like we will wish the best for her.
Speaker 1: I just would love. Yes, we wish that we ultimately
Speaker 1: whatever she was going through during that time in her life, Um,
Speaker 1: we wish the best for her. Some of us have
Speaker 1: like bitchy years, you know what I mean, Like I
Speaker 1: think my bitchy years were like my like early twenties.
Speaker 1: I think we're my like bitchy years, right, and my
Speaker 1: bitchy years were definitely my mid to late wouldn't you agree, Well,
Speaker 1: you weren't being a bitch, really, I just thought you,
Speaker 1: and you know what, you probably were being a bit
Speaker 1: too people. You weren't being abed. I wasn't being a
Speaker 1: bit to you. By definitely was being a bit to people. Y'all.
Speaker 1: We are transitioning into I don't think so, honey. This
Speaker 1: is the segment which is a sixty second segment where
Speaker 1: we take something and you know, rail against it in
Speaker 1: pop culture, and we sort of go hashtag off as
Speaker 1: they say, and it makes that per second cure. I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. So I am ready with my
Speaker 1: I don't thinks. Okay, So this is Matt Rodgers and
Speaker 1: he has his I don't think so, honey, and his
Speaker 1: time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Candice Owens
Speaker 1: and all the fucking fools saying that Harry Styles is
Speaker 1: not representing masculinity when he wears a goddamn gower and which,
Speaker 1: let me just say, by the way, he looks stunning,
Speaker 1: and let me just list a few people who have
Speaker 1: done androgyny in the past. Do your fucking home. How
Speaker 1: about Ms Prince? How about Ms David Bowie? Bitch? How
Speaker 1: about Adam Lambert? How about all these people, regardless of
Speaker 1: their sexual orientations, who have dressed their gender band And
Speaker 1: this is a part of not only pop culture and
Speaker 1: pop music, but rock music. It says fuck you to anything.
Speaker 1: So I don't think so, honey, Candice Owens. And I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey, Ben Shapiro, as if we should
Speaker 1: care what either of you have to say. By the way,
Speaker 1: I don't think the honey Ben Shapiro, who like bragged
Speaker 1: last year about not being able to give it, get
Speaker 1: his wife wet. And now you're going to be the
Speaker 1: authority on what's fucking masculine, Get the funk out of here.
Speaker 1: And also I don't think so any Candy Cohen. Stop
Speaker 1: complaining conflating socialism in quotes with the downfall of masculinely
Speaker 1: shut up, you're so stupid. And that's one minute. Her
Speaker 1: name is now henceforth Candy Cohen, no longer Candice away Cohen.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you something, Candy Cohen. I remember I
Speaker 1: heard Candy and a random we thought you were changing
Speaker 1: Rosten doing Candy Burris. No, but I have done, I
Speaker 1: really have done. I don't think so, honey, Candy borrows
Speaker 1: in the past. Yeah, because I didn't think. I didn't think.
Speaker 1: I didn't think she should have had another kid when
Speaker 1: her daughters were like, please don't. Um. But anyway, but
Speaker 1: it's also none of my fucking business. Um. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I couldn't stand all this stuff, the controversy about like
Speaker 1: Harry Style looking stunning, like wearing whatever the funk he wants.
Speaker 1: And you know who doesn't give a funk about this
Speaker 1: Harry Styles, So no one's no one's gonna bother him.
Speaker 1: He does, he's so ununaffected by this. But that's the
Speaker 1: thing too, It's like, wait, this is not a new conversation,
Speaker 1: and it's just like, I don't know, maybe maybe just
Speaker 1: to connect the theme to Potomac, it's just sort of
Speaker 1: ripping the sutures of old wounds, wouldn't you say? I
Speaker 1: think that? Um, you know, I think this is the
Speaker 1: prophecy being fulfilled. I think this is the third of
Speaker 1: a trilogy of the dress scandals. I think we had
Speaker 1: Monica Lewinsky. I think we had what color is that dress.
Speaker 1: I think now we have our third dress scandal, and
Speaker 1: I think I think there's a narrative thread there, and
Speaker 1: I think this random is as satisfying ending up if
Speaker 1: I agree. It feels like there's finally um. It feels
Speaker 1: like there was so much moral ambiguity and what colors
Speaker 1: address right? That was the theme. It was like who's right,
Speaker 1: who's wrong, moral relativism and now nation, and then in
Speaker 1: Monica felt like there wasn't moral relative It felt like
Speaker 1: it was very moral, but like on the wrong side,
Speaker 1: like we all burned this woman down the steak and
Speaker 1: then everyone was wrong and she was on the right
Speaker 1: of that dress kandal, and now this dress kinda we're
Speaker 1: finally all coming together and saying no. Candice burus No,
Speaker 1: it's actually a great forgot her name, so I thought
Speaker 1: she was she was. She started as Candice Candison, she
Speaker 1: became Candy Cohen, and then now she's Candice burs Um.
Speaker 1: So I sort of loved like taking her own name
Speaker 1: away from her because she's a damn fool. That's a
Speaker 1: new trilogy that's very satisfying in its conclusion. I've known
Speaker 1: for years there would be another dress thing by the
Speaker 1: way I knew, you knew very nostredamus in that way.
Speaker 1: And honestly, that's why Pat is able to say something.
Speaker 1: And I'm bethany, period and just and I we have
Speaker 1: to trust um. Okay, So, Bowen Yang, it's time for
Speaker 1: your I don't think so, honey, Do you have it?
Speaker 1: I do? I do? All right? Well, that being the case,
Speaker 1: Bowen Yang's, I don't think so, honey, of your time
Speaker 1: starts now. I don't think so, honey. Diptique employees the
Speaker 1: world over, I've got to several Diptique stores all across
Speaker 1: the world New York, Brooklyn, Los Angeles, Charles de gaul, Airport, Honey,
Speaker 1: and every employee I've met there has been sort of
Speaker 1: judgmental in some way, in some form, And I don't
Speaker 1: think that's a valuable part of the culture. That is
Speaker 1: not part of that should not be part of the
Speaker 1: value proposition. I do not find value in buying a
Speaker 1: candle from someone who was rude to me at the store.
Speaker 1: I want to buy my you know, Jaz jas Men,
Speaker 1: my footed Boa, my bay even iconically, and I want
Speaker 1: to buy it and have it be a pleasant retail experience.
Speaker 1: I am risking my life in your store in these times,
Speaker 1: and for you to still uphold that culture is toxic
Speaker 1: and yes, poisonous. I know, I'm I look, I'm a synonymtan,
Speaker 1: but I think I think it's worth emphasizing that point
Speaker 1: that you were all poisonous, poisonous people. And that's one minute.
Speaker 1: All employees of diptiq have now been called poisonous. What is?
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna speak for a lot of people
Speaker 1: out there when I ask what is, I'm so relieved
Speaker 1: I'm the only one who doesn't know what they're. Um,
Speaker 1: they're a parfume Marie there. They make candles. They make
Speaker 1: lovely candles, iconic candles, even um. And I've I've really
Speaker 1: been on a candles kick candle. You know, I tried to.
Speaker 1: You know, Labo does a different We know that. On
Speaker 1: recommendation of my therapist, I went into Lavo to purchase
Speaker 1: the um birthday gives for my sexual partner last year
Speaker 1: or my same sex sexual partner NOAs and I walked
Speaker 1: in and it was also for me, it's just so
Speaker 1: judgment I walk and I go, these are some of
Speaker 1: the sense that he likes. Can you help me pick
Speaker 1: a gift? And he was like, um, I actually would
Speaker 1: never ever recommend doing that because you never know how
Speaker 1: it's in a combined with his body chemistry, and it
Speaker 1: could be really wrong. You could be really wrong if
Speaker 1: you try to guess. And so I was like, okay, well,
Speaker 1: I just want to give him something. It's like I've
Speaker 1: been gamed for like six months. I just want to
Speaker 1: give him a gift. And he's like, I just can't
Speaker 1: get conscious. Um, he couldn't make a recommendation at the
Speaker 1: old story worked. So he literally was like I had
Speaker 1: to get like a sampler platter of like a bunch
Speaker 1: of little different ones and then I gave it. My
Speaker 1: work was like, now has like eight drops of like
Speaker 1: thirty different Did you get that lit labo employees name? No?
Speaker 1: I didn't, but I wish I did. You should have,
Speaker 1: because one of Bowen's favorite things is to name employees
Speaker 1: that have wronged him by name on the pod. No,
Speaker 1: I don't. You've You've done it several times once my
Speaker 1: last episode that I was here. Yes, you did it
Speaker 1: about a ski person Todd, But but that and that
Speaker 1: I don't think I think so, honey. It was the
Speaker 1: first time I ever said seek treatment because I said
Speaker 1: C treatment to that episode. That episode was called C Treatment. Yeah, um,
Speaker 1: I interesting where you got to start. I know, I
Speaker 1: don't want this narrative to hold where I am using
Speaker 1: the podcast as the way to air out my my. Oh,
Speaker 1: then you should behave the way you behave. No, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm not misbehaving when I go buy these things in misbehavior?
Speaker 1: Who also that that's that's horrid. Body chemistry is a lie.
Speaker 1: It's a lie. It's an it's a lie that is
Speaker 1: being made up by perfumer ees like it'll it'll smell
Speaker 1: the same on anybody. I recommended Madi Fragrance that I love,
Speaker 1: and then he loved it too. That's what I like,
Speaker 1: and I like it to come into your shop, and
Speaker 1: so says, can you please just help me pick one out?
Speaker 1: It's like just help them pick one out, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like just to me, he shields down shield. However,
Speaker 1: this guy was I think he had something in it
Speaker 1: for you. And I even did the thing where I
Speaker 1: was like, it's for my boyfriends. I could know he
Speaker 1: was gay, and I thought that would kind of establish
Speaker 1: some sort of like camaraderie. Started a turf wars what
Speaker 1: you started? Yeah, I started a huge turf war, and
Speaker 1: it kind of felt almost like I wasn't the kind
Speaker 1: of gay he wanted his store because I had a
Speaker 1: backpack on. You need to tell him, you know what
Speaker 1: to find normal? I honestly to find normal? Is it
Speaker 1: a slang as a messenger back? Is it a total
Speaker 1: because guess what, I used a backpackground this town exactly.
Speaker 1: And that doesn't make me any worse than you, Mr Lelabo,
Speaker 1: as i'll call you. Well, he's already sort of popping off.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna transition from this directly into Pat Regan's
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey. Now you you're sort of um,
Speaker 1: you're sort of a renowned I don't think so honey,
Speaker 1: or you did win culture war, but I do always
Speaker 1: say that my um. I've retired officially and this no longer.
Speaker 1: It doesn't affect my legacy. These are all exhibitions now,
Speaker 1: so it really in the master class that is you
Speaker 1: in the entertainment industry, this is not a part of
Speaker 1: that is really, this won't be included and this won't
Speaker 1: be reflected in my rate that I have received from
Speaker 1: master class. You are you are the Nicki Minlage. If
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. You've technically retired, but you
Speaker 1: will your output will still be somewhat consistent. Okay, even
Speaker 1: even even more so. All this being said, it's time
Speaker 1: for Pat Reagans. I don't think so, honey, and his
Speaker 1: time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Apple the company,
Speaker 1: it's a classic for a reason. They suck. They literally
Speaker 1: want their customers to die, gruesome, bloody death. That's how
Speaker 1: much they abhorre their customers. They get away with this
Speaker 1: like they get away with a certain like thing of
Speaker 1: not being quite as bad as Amazon. But it's like,
Speaker 1: you suck so much and you better get down your ass.
Speaker 1: And thank god Jeffrey Bagels existing, which just stracks everyone.
Speaker 1: I'm coming for you, Apple, because I'll tell you what
Speaker 1: happened is on a election night, I was moving a
Speaker 1: trusser with my same sex sexual part, sat down for
Speaker 1: one single second on my fifteen inch MacBook Pro computer
Speaker 1: and l a screen broke. And it was the one
Speaker 1: year anniversary of when I got that computer. So yes,
Speaker 1: it was the day my warranty ran out. But I
Speaker 1: will say every single person and Apple I've talked to
Speaker 1: has been unhelpful, except for the men and women who
Speaker 1: work in those stories where I celebrate those geniuses I love.
Speaker 1: Everybody will say I sent my, I sent my I
Speaker 1: sent them my computers. I still haven't checked it in.
Speaker 1: Still haven't have my computer. I haven't checked it in.
Speaker 1: And then I don't think so. Honey, Apple, the company jobs.
Speaker 1: You can take your turtlenecks and shove them like the
Speaker 1: ass rest in power, power, first power to Steve Johnson.
Speaker 1: Who else did I at that one? This episode? I
Speaker 1: told someone to rest in power? Earlier on I don't
Speaker 1: know what's no, No, we'st crave and what's crave? And sorry, man,
Speaker 1: we have to we have to really, we have to
Speaker 1: sort of like do an episode soon which is who's
Speaker 1: dead who's not? Because we've said so many people that
Speaker 1: were that are dead that are not dead. Yeah yeah, wait,
Speaker 1: but well, first of all, can we say number one, Apple,
Speaker 1: the company found dead. Number two, that sucks for all
Speaker 1: your subscribers on your master class that wasn't part of it,
Speaker 1: because I think it would have been a worthy thing.
Speaker 1: Number three, I have a question for both of you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: have you well not really for Bowen since he has
Speaker 1: a twelve, but Patrick has your phone started to sort
Speaker 1: of like act weird. By the way, first of all, Bowen,
Speaker 1: if you have a twelve year centterest, thank you start
Speaker 1: acting weird. This is what this is what happens every
Speaker 1: year with the new with the new os. Well, it's
Speaker 1: happening again. This year is no different. We can go
Speaker 1: I have ten are. For the longest time, I had
Speaker 1: sc between the five and sex. It was part of
Speaker 1: my brand, and then I finally last summer made the choice.
Speaker 1: I'm really happy you're out of that stage of your life.
Speaker 1: But it was I'm hardened to hear that. It's not
Speaker 1: just me. That's sort of whenever I'm texting, it's like
Speaker 1: the letters don't show up and like, oh no, that's
Speaker 1: been happening for me too. Yeah, it's just the Apple
Speaker 1: needs to like just you have enough money, like just
Speaker 1: let us have our products, and like they try to
Speaker 1: capture you for life long, like it's impossible. Well they have,
Speaker 1: they have. It's a monopoly. It's not okay. There needs
Speaker 1: to be fair. There needs to be fair competition in
Speaker 1: this space. And that's why I'm launching and electronics and
Speaker 1: computer brand and called fair Fight, And it's going to
Speaker 1: be completely run by stupid gays. You don't know computers,
Speaker 1: and we together will build a new world that is
Speaker 1: collectivist at its finest. Collectivism is at its finesta. It's
Speaker 1: just like the way Apples dreaming with this computer is
Speaker 1: like slit. It really just doesn't it just really hasn't
Speaker 1: felt good. And I'm paying them auto mon so disappointed
Speaker 1: it disappointed in them. You know, it's that there's no
Speaker 1: recourse like they were just they're just unchecked power. Apple
Speaker 1: is unchecked power. And you said it's say that, say
Speaker 1: that I finally had to say it. I never wanted
Speaker 1: to say that. I had to finally say it. And
Speaker 1: now we said Patrick final words, closing thoughts for all
Speaker 1: the readers. Now that you're back, because we can say
Speaker 1: you are, you are sucking back the bitch is. I
Speaker 1: think you're back in a bit with the bitches, back
Speaker 1: in a big in a major way. Yeah. I think
Speaker 1: what I would say to my listeners first and foremost
Speaker 1: is I'm back on cameo and and it's that holiday season,
Speaker 1: and I know that you've already seen me in my
Speaker 1: upcoming projects, but continue to look for me in them.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say too much more about what it's coming,
Speaker 1: but you guys hold tie it, and um, I would hold.
Speaker 1: My final words are hold tight. Okay, we've all missed
Speaker 1: you so much. I'm so glad. Yeah, this is our
Speaker 1: fourth episode together. And I know that you guys sometimes
Speaker 1: don't count the last episode and episode total, but I
Speaker 1: do count it, and I do count it. I've actually
Speaker 1: turned a corner and I count it. And that's and
Speaker 1: that shows that both can grow es. Actually culture number
Speaker 1: one hundred and six, Bobo grow Grow No, this is
Speaker 1: five including the last episode episode. Um, can we talk
Speaker 1: about Nicola Nicola? And then there see Treatment which Netflix
Speaker 1: has taken off there and Netflix has removed that episode,
Speaker 1: and and and and then See Culture and the many
Speaker 1: Seek Cultures and then many times you've co hosted with us,
Speaker 1: you might be the you might be all the the
Speaker 1: pre eminent Last Cultures dis guest. And I have an announcement.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, the panel is telling me that Pat
Speaker 1: Reagan has yet again one the Lost Culture Race. That's
Speaker 1: Icon Award. Oh my god, I would as per accepting it.
Speaker 1: I would like to say first and foremost that awards
Speaker 1: are so silly, and this thing that you're going right
Speaker 1: now is beautiful but I don't care about it. But
Speaker 1: it also means so much, and it means more than
Speaker 1: any other one because I'm the oldest and and bo
Speaker 1: I think you can agree that it is it is
Speaker 1: now custom for you know how we always end the
Speaker 1: episode with a song. Yes, but it is now custom.
Speaker 1: Is now to continue that the the the Cultural Award
Speaker 1: winner ends the episode with the song. Chooses the song,
Speaker 1: or you can initiate the song. You can sing with us,
Speaker 1: is it a song of pop culture? Can be an
Speaker 1: original track, whatever you want. It can be whatever, oh
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, okay staring at the blank page out
Speaker 1: the balance, friends, go sho And if you want to
Speaker 1: hear the rest of that song, you can listen to
Speaker 1: Natasha bedding Fields CD, Bye Bye,