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425
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Speaker 1: of my adult life not I'm not being invested in

426
00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:39,359
Speaker 1: Rupulse Jock Grace and only become the person who in

427
00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,800
Speaker 1: walking around and saying, actually, RuPaul's Grace is pretty cool,

428
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:47,280
Speaker 1: which is which just cathartic, but which is the perfect

429
00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:50,240
Speaker 1: time to do it. It is cathartic. But I've always

430
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:53,000
Speaker 1: known that Bone spoiled something for everyone of RuPaul's Grace,

431
00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 1: but I never knew what it was because it never

432
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 1: meant anything to me. But now that it means something

433
00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:58,320
Speaker 1: to me, I would love to know what Bones spoiled.

434
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:03,399
Speaker 1: It was the season seven episode in which Katya was eliminated,

435
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,920
Speaker 1: and I did not spoil it. I did not spoil

436
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:12,720
Speaker 1: it because drag Race is live event viewing and I

437
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 1: put on Facebook, not even Twitter, so it was a

438
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:18,399
Speaker 1: closed sort of circle of people. It was not. I

439
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 1: was not broadcast filled with your gay friends who watched

440
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:26,160
Speaker 1: the show and gay person who is not like other

441
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 1: gays and actually doesn't watch the show and instead I

442
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 1: might even watch something until now when I finally let

443
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:36,080
Speaker 1: go And what did you say? But what did you say?

444
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:41,440
Speaker 1: I said, Katya no, which could have meant anything. I

445
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,920
Speaker 1: couldn't have. So you know what. I experienced this too

446
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 1: with um with I'll say season twelve a hero, No,

447
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,359
Speaker 1: this is separate. This is a Survivor, a hero, a

448
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 1: personal hero on colleague who I cherished and loving the

449
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 1: key so funny Chris Kelly, I spoiled Poverty's exit from

450
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 1: Heroes Firstpillents, and I did feel really bad about that.

451
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:07,200
Speaker 1: From here is versus villains, Like what is it war?

452
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,160
Speaker 1: I spelled that for him, and I did feel really

453
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,959
Speaker 1: back because I tweeted. But it was like after waiting

454
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 1: like ten years for her to come back and then

455
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 1: for her to leave. It's like and that was on

456
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 1: Survivor Twitter and everyone was talking. Sometimes you just get

457
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 1: caught up in the emotion of the moment. You parolutely.

458
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,239
Speaker 1: We can't wait around for l A to let our

459
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 1: emotions out, thank you. We have to live our lives

460
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 1: in real time, not on PST. I think that if

461
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,679
Speaker 1: you are living in Los Angeles and you go on

462
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,680
Speaker 1: Twitter during the time when you know your favorite show

463
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 1: is on, you're asking for trouble. And Chris Kelly is

464
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:42,199
Speaker 1: very deeply wrong and who want to start? Are you

465
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 1: on in this spoiler? Well? I think I think they're

466
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 1: two completely different things because I'm not on yours. But

467
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 1: it's the same Pat committed the same offense that I

468
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 1: did five years prior. It's about intent. It's about intent.

469
00:24:56,440 --> 00:25:00,720
Speaker 1: You were, you were, you were stunting you, You knew

470
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:06,119
Speaker 1: what you were doing. You wanted this. You you you,

471
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:09,119
Speaker 1: you live by the thing of you know you that

472
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 1: bitch when they cause all this conversation and you wanted

473
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 1: to start a conversation about yourself and I know it,

474
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 1: Um what was you? Oh yeah, and that's what you

475
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 1: wanted this whole time, and you wanted us to be

476
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 1: sitting here. It's five years later and you're still the story.

477
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 1: You're still the headline. Aren't just the most suspicious? Works

478
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,920
Speaker 1: so hard all season? He gets at home her moment

479
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,160
Speaker 1: and I was about bone. Five years later, five years

480
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 1: later were talking about you were talking about and talking

481
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 1: about that's all right. I just want to say that

482
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,879
Speaker 1: the most suspicious character of all in film and television

483
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 1: is Bo and Yang, absolutely fictional, scripted or unscripted. I

484
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 1: have no idea anymore. I don't know anymore. David E Kelly. Wow,

485
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 1: I truly almost always forget that David E Kelly did

486
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 1: the undoing as well as Big Little Eyes, which makes

487
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 1: it even more like it's who I just think. It's like, yeah,

488
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 1: I want to I actually didn't know that person's name

489
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 1: before this moment. I want to challenge that person to

490
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 1: do something completely different next time. I want to challenge

491
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 1: I'm just something completely different. I'm to write in a

492
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 1: fantasy space. I wanted to be Game of Thrones adjacent

493
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 1: or something. I wanted to feel like a home. David

494
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,679
Speaker 1: E Kelly is like most comfortable, like right out in

495
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 1: the hallway outside of a courtroom. That's where David E

496
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 1: Kelly that prefers to live like lawyers spaces and lawyers

497
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 1: homes and lawyers cars. It's but like just like litigate

498
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:39,159
Speaker 1: or no, just like just being in the courtroom is

499
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 1: so narratively rich, like there are so many things that

500
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 1: there's just so many things built into that already. But like,

501
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 1: I don't blame anybody for like writing a procedural or

502
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 1: or writing like just just courtrooms like Search Party season four,

503
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,360
Speaker 1: like our season three. I'm just like this is so

504
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 1: well done and like, yeah, the court room is a

505
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 1: very rich place. And also, you know who I'm gagged

506
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:06,160
Speaker 1: is on the show is the lawyer who her name

507
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 1: is um nomadumas Wenny. She's incredible and you know, well

508
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 1: this I'm about to tell you. She won an Olivier

509
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 1: Award for playing her Moiae Granger and Harry Child. Yes, yes,

510
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: she was Hermione. Yeah, and she received the Tony Award nomination.

511
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 1: What other television projects can you do? Are you like analyst?

512
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 1: I'm actually on her Wikipedia, which is where everyone and

513
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 1: this should be part of your masterclass if you want

514
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 1: information about the entertainment industry, Wikipedia is going to be

515
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 1: a site for you. Okay, Um, so she was. She's

516
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 1: really mostly a theater actress, but she has been at

517
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 1: you hate to see it. She has been in Normal

518
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 1: People on television. She has been um was she in

519
00:27:56,320 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 1: a show? With Phoe people or bridge in Olivia um

520
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 1: Coleman Coleman, Olivia Coleman a broad Church. It was called

521
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 1: broad Church. I don't think she was in broad Church. Okay,

522
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 1: maybe I'm thinking about someone else. I think this is

523
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: a blind spot that all three of us shore, which

524
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 1: is um, well, she's relatively but I've been getting into

525
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 1: pret TV um mystery and that's why I'm watching Sherlock

526
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 1: right now, and that's why I watched broad Church. And

527
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 1: I started watching Elizabeth Moss BBC Murder, but it was

528
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 1: actually too boring for me. And he had to um

529
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 1: that top of the lake, Top of the Lake I

530
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,199
Speaker 1: couldn't connect to with Oh Happy Valley I watched. I

531
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:37,120
Speaker 1: really enjoyed that a wonder woman police officer who actually

532
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 1: is down tight, throw some punches, get punched, yourself free

533
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 1: a girl who's been trapped, and still make it home

534
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 1: for dinner time. Can I just ask, like, because you

535
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: have this sort of expertise in this area, now that

536
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: you've watched some British TV, that's how you can bring

537
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 1: the hammer down so on the undoing, which to you

538
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 1: is not sort of doing to make a to make

539
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 1: to make sort of a joke what it should be Yeah,

540
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 1: and P I feel like and before you answer that,

541
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: I just want to put out a theory that you

542
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: will I I assume you will rebut but I think

543
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 1: if the undoing took place in London, you would be obsessed. See.

544
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: I want to say yes only because I know you

545
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 1: need that right now. But when you're so far out

546
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 1: on a limb and I could feel your attention, but

547
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: I don't know if I would because I'm not I'm

548
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: not at the anglophile of some of my um contemporaries.

549
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: I don't know that I am. Do you know what

550
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 1: I mean? Like I famously went on Rucket, this is

551
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: actually one of the bravest things anyone's ever done. And

552
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: the Witness Protection Program asked if I wanted to be involved.

553
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: I said, I'm actually, I'm actually cool. I'm going to

554
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: stay you Pass. I said, I'm gonna stay me. You

555
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 1: told Kara Meslin hard Pass. I told Karam the Witness

556
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 1: Protection of Program wants you. The're gonna set you up

557
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: in Oregon. You're gonna be a farmer. And I said,

558
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 1: you know what, I think I'll go ahead and stay

559
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 1: me this time. But thanks shout up to our our manager,

560
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: Kara wait, is this is that such a hacky premise

561
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 1: for a sitcom? Because I love that. We're just someone

562
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 1: who like didn't doesn't want to be in it and

563
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 1: wants to live, wants to stay themselves. Oh and they're

564
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: but they're like accidentally get into it sort of or

565
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 1: they agree to go and you know that that that

566
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: w p P is chasing them. Oh and they're like,

567
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 1: we need you to go on into this and they're

568
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 1: like and they don't want to. That's all right, No

569
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: another now now we're blue skying this idea whatever sort

570
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 1: of like what else are sort of like they are

571
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: like final do witness protection? Then all of a sudden

572
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 1: they realized that, okay, guess what, they're straight. That girl

573
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 1: they've always had a crush on actually is into them.

574
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: But they have to go away, and then they keep

575
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: trying to come back to their old life. You know,

576
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 1: they have to our exist in these two worlds and

577
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 1: Witness Protection Program. Actually they can't know that they're back

578
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 1: in their old life, so they're hiding from the person

579
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: they witnessed, hiding from those who are the Witness Protection program. Yes,

580
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 1: and they're compet and it's the question is and the

581
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: question of the show is what is identity. I have

582
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 1: to stop you because I feel like I can't let

583
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: you sort of Maria reputation as someone who can do

584
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: a master class on the entertainment industry and come in

585
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: with this sort of crazy pitch that I couldn't follow

586
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 1: for two second. This is the show. This is the show.

587
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: Shut up, this is the show. It's a gay guy

588
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:32,479
Speaker 1: and his sister. Short of Ship's Creek. They two, if

589
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 1: you will, because everyone knows you can't sell a show

590
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: with only a gay guy. He has to have a

591
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: sister's you can't. It's actually really closer number seven. You

592
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: can't sell a show sister if he doesn't have a sister,

593
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 1: Like who's going to be the horror? Who's going to

594
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 1: be the horror? Doesn't have it together? Hello? So um basically,

595
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: which literally I mean not to drag every show, but

596
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: we got your um. Oh okay, this is the show.

597
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: It's Witness Protection and they say we we don't want it,

598
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: and then the Witness Protection says, but you guys are

599
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: under the most danger of anyone ever. And the show

600
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: is they're trying to live their gay and horror life,

601
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: and the people keep trying to kill them and they

602
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: have to just get out of the way. Easy, simple, breezy.

603
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 1: It's a gay and his horror sister and the people

604
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: are trying to kill them, and they had the opportunity

605
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: to go into w P P and there's someone probably

606
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 1: played by Let's just say, um, who's who's like Who's

607
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: like hot right now? That works in this gay show.

608
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: Let's say, um Shreiber Leev Schreiber's hot right now? That

609
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: of the show. I was I was gonna say that

610
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 1: was the original pitch, and then was Blue Sky. Can

611
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 1: I say something that That's why you need to be

612
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: really careful in this entertainment industry who your creative partner is,

613
00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: because let me tell you something, Bowen could have a

614
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: pitch that sell else and then you have this whacko

615
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: next to them who they attached for talent purposes, which

616
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: is probably how you got involved. I would imagine Pat's

617
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: the whacko Pats the whack o talent who comes in

618
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 1: and is like, I just had a new idea for

619
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: the show. By the way, Okay, oh wait, funk I

620
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: forgot the show? I have an idea. Okay. Basically, the

621
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 1: show is the following. Two people are in love. They're

622
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 1: afraid to tell each other. It's been years. It's kind

623
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: of Dawson's Creek. Basically, they're finally, like lifelong, are finally

624
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 1: going to commit their love. One of the mess witness

625
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: protection the other one. Now, we're actually not telling that

626
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 1: one story, or maybe we are, but or really telling

627
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: the story of the other one who's trying to find

628
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: the love of their life, who's in witness Protection. No

629
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 1: one will give them answers because it could en danger

630
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: their life, and they have to decide do I want

631
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: to endanger the person I love or do I want

632
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 1: to walk away from them forever? And that's a decision

633
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 1: that feels like it feels like an essay. Now that

634
00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 1: Pat is my creative partner, I don't want to undermine

635
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 1: his vision. But I feel like that's not the that's

636
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: if we're focusing on the one who is an improve

637
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: Witness Protection, that feels like the less active story. But

638
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 1: what if they're driving all over time? What if I

639
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: see flashes of the person in Witness Protection in his

640
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 1: new life. We don't know very much about it, We

641
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,320
Speaker 1: just don't wait. This is kind of like, this is

642
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: kind of this is kind of like season one of

643
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 1: Veronica Mars. I kind of like that, Oh yes, I

644
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: love Veronica Mars and just rewatched it all on its entirety.

645
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 1: And that's a part of culture that would be in

646
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 1: the world. But I would answer for your famous question

647
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: what made you like culture? That's not our question. First

648
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 1: of all, can't we just stop right now that it's

649
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 1: not the fucking question, and the disrespect that you've shown

650
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 1: me not listening to the show first lifted you up.

651
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: So I will say when I told Angelo seems sexual

652
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,479
Speaker 1: slash domestic partner that I was coming on the show,

653
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 1: I said, where I got my start one time I

654
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: did it. I'm showing with this woman who said who

655
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 1: literally claimed every single place was the was where she

656
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 1: got her stuff. He was this order of lesbian woman.

657
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 1: It used to be in New York. Can I go

658
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 1: just like where you before? I'm like, I don't. I

659
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 1: didn't show the dupot to night. Do you know it

660
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: goes know it? That's where I gonna say, every single

661
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: space that is so good that you met her. That's

662
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: so in my vocabulary of this reminds me of that

663
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:24,320
Speaker 1: other lesbian person we met at our show in Denver. Wait,

664
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: I'm so mad that you guys did you guys did

665
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 1: to three Austin, Chicago and Denver, and of course Pat

666
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: Patrick and I Patrick Patrick and I famously did a

667
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 1: just a shockingly good show at the Bellhouse together. You

668
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,479
Speaker 1: really are the third culture. As though I've been taking

669
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: a step away from the podcasting space, I did with

670
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 1: the text message from shout out to our former family

671
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 1: member Meg Pope, and they did so you were mentioned,

672
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 1: and they did say that you were mentioned in Lost

673
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 1: Countries and it was so sweet. And I listened and

674
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, I kept bouncing on the episode,

675
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 1: trying to findecifically in a moment, and I did. I

676
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: did in trying to end up listening to a large

677
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 1: amount of the episode and I said, thank God, I said,

678
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,439
Speaker 1: God works in mysterious ways. I needed this today and

679
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 1: then um I found it and it was so nice. Well,

680
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 1: that's how we feel, that's how we feel. We love you,

681
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: that's how we feel. I want to circle back to

682
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:27,800
Speaker 1: p was that we went on this huge tangent about

683
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: this the swittest protection sitcom. But I've powers about to

684
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: reveal the bravest thing he's ever done. Yeah, I said

685
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:37,320
Speaker 1: that my podcast that I that I wasn't crazy about Fleaback.

686
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and look at it. And this was in

687
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: response to Bowen positing that I might love Undoing if

688
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: it was set in London. Okay, so and I and

689
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 1: I actually I see now that that theory does not

690
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: hold because, um, you you you have said on the

691
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,320
Speaker 1: record on this very up so that you're not an anglophile.

692
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 1: I'm not an anglifi aw and that's something that took

693
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: me really along to be okay with. Can I ask you?

694
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 1: Can I ask you like, do you find yourself? Because

695
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,359
Speaker 1: I know you love shows that take place in New

696
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 1: York City, but you know what it's like growing up

697
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: on Long Island. I do not emphasize this city that

698
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: you've lived in the shadow of, where there's people to

699
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 1: be found, where there is um sort of counterculture to

700
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: be found, where there might be even people who don't

701
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: care about lacrosse that you can connect with, of course,

702
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 1: and so, of course when I see these people on

703
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 1: my strains, I would say interesting. And so do you

704
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,959
Speaker 1: think it's interesting like to watch the culkim across the street?

705
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 1: And do you think there's do you think there's symbolism

706
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 1: in watching her across the street that they keep showing

707
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 1: it every other shot. First of all, first of all,

708
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: before this, before the car gets away from us. Let

709
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: me just say that I like the show, and I

710
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 1: like the show. I don't I think that, um, I

711
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: think it's heavy handed we and I think they say

712
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: everything twice in it. Have you noticed? So this is

713
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 1: this is where choice I think it is to be like,

714
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 1: we do this thing. I'm saying things twice. You know.

715
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 1: So last night you texted us and you asked, have

716
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: you gotten to the cocksucker line yet? So in the

717
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 1: fourth episode of The Undoing, Donald Sutherland has a moment

718
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: where he's explaining to Hugh Grant spoiler alert that he

719
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 1: will come after him because he's a real cocksucker. No, no, no,

720
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: he's He's explained to the principle of the school. Oh yes, yes,

721
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:33,839
Speaker 1: that's what it is. He's like, I'm a coucusucker. I'm

722
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 1: a cocksucker. And he said he says it like he

723
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: says it like I'm a cock sucker. He adds an

724
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,879
Speaker 1: extra vow, cous sucker. He says cocus cocksucker. Yeah, yeah,

725
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: what's the deal with that? I don't know, but Sutherland

726
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: just talks the way he talks and we should all

727
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 1: just let him. I always think is he British and

728
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: then like the answer is really no. But the thing is,

729
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 1: the thing is is that, Um, I don't even have

730
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 1: a problem with the delivery of the line. I think

731
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 1: Donald did you know the best he with that It

732
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 1: was a really strange um piece of writing that I

733
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 1: want to understand. Yeah, I don't. Yeah, I want to

734
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: sign a positive or negative value to it. But I

735
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: did find it a strange bit of writing. The cocksucker line, Um, well,

736
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,760
Speaker 1: you know, in a show like this, the i'mdoing, um,

737
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 1: you know who done it? Everything matters. So I don't

738
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 1: know if I don't know if you've been listening to

739
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: every word. But like, for example, when she told that

740
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,320
Speaker 1: story in the first episode about why Hugh Grant doesn't

741
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: like dogs, that to me, there's no you know who

742
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 1: done it? There's no unimportant scenes or like every Yes,

743
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:43,320
Speaker 1: this is like it's sort of everything. I actually disagree

744
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 1: with that theory. No, no, no, I'm telling you everything's

745
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 1: gonna come back famously love Who've done it? You know,

746
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I read, uh, I'm reading. I get the

747
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: Christie in the order of publication. And I'm a big

748
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: fan of the Who've Done a verse? And I think

749
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 1: in a book like that, that's strictly who done it? Yes,

750
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 1: but you but you have account for red herrings. You

751
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 1: have to account for the fact that this is who

752
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: done it of course first and foremost. But it's also

753
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,919
Speaker 1: a drama, right, So there of course something in that

754
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 1: space that's kind of clouding that the economy of a

755
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 1: Who've done that, where nothing is wasted, that kind of

756
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 1: using all parts of the whale as it were. Absolutely

757
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,919
Speaker 1: what do we think of the buffalo? I think either

758
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 1: one work. I think either one either both of them

759
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 1: are called equally culturally sensitive and both both deserve to

760
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 1: have their entire selves used. That's true. I think that

761
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 1: there's some signific I think I think you know what's

762
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 1: a red herring to me is um Connie Chung. I

763
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 1: was like, what is the signal? When Connie Chung was

764
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: in the show? That was a moment in culture. Yeah,

765
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: that was a little anachronistic. It was interesting. I used

766
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 1: to love her growing growing up in Long Island. She

767
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 1: would be on my commercials. It would be her, she

768
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 1: would be there she was based on Long Island. That

769
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 1: was her haide, it was her heyday, like she was

770
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:05,399
Speaker 1: huge for news when I was she was huge, Chung

771
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 1: was Oh my god, that whole thing. I was like,

772
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:12,320
Speaker 1: this would never happen, Like well, Connie Chung being like okay,

773
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 1: so I don't know, I believe you convinced me, and

774
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: then him being like okay, but I'm happy it happened

775
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 1: on the show because that last shot of episode four

776
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: was chilling to me. When he looked into the camera

777
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 1: and she asked, do you have any idea who did this?

778
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 1: And he said yeah, I do. I felt like, okay,

779
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 1: So let's just ask this question of the three of us.

780
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 1: Let's go to Bowen first read the undoing Who done it?

781
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 1: Who done it? I think a lot of attention is

782
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 1: being placed on that kid, on their son, and I'm

783
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: very interested. It's it's it's ultimately a story about his development,

784
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 1: his traumatic processing of this um of seeing his parents

785
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 1: sort of unravel But it could be a thing where

786
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 1: he found out about the affair and then just inhumanely

787
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: sort of committed this disgusting crime. You feel that The

788
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 1: Sun played by actor Noah Juke Noah, Yes, who's very British.

789
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:20,760
Speaker 1: By the way, he's going to be a star, huge star,

790
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 1: handsome boy and good actor. Careful, careful, I'm allowed. I'm

791
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 1: allowed to remark on the boys good looks. Well he

792
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,760
Speaker 1: did he did have like a sex scene and honey

793
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 1: boy didn't he? Oh, I don't like that. I know. Wait,

794
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,479
Speaker 1: should we cut this all out? No, We're definitely keeping

795
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 1: it because it's our responsibility to make sure people know

796
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 1: that people like you were out there. Um. But what

797
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 1: I want to ask you right now is who done

798
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,879
Speaker 1: it on the undoing? That's my that's my theory. I

799
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 1: literally he said, said said he solved it. Okay, I

800
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 1: saw the case. You know who did it? Who? Donald Sutherland?

801
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,439
Speaker 1: He found out about the affair. He never liked this guy.

802
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: He was at that event and he left early. Um,

803
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 1: and he now is so desperate to have her believe

804
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 1: that the husband did it. Oh my god, I really

805
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:16,320
Speaker 1: think it was Donald and I'm really good and he

806
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: threatened you. Grant's character in the sl Yes, he's also

807
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 1: like like like um, sad and anxious in a strange way,

808
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 1: Like did you notice in that last episode the way

809
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: he was like crying apologizing to Nicole and begging for

810
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: her forgiveness. I was just like, he's really upset. There's

811
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: something going on there, and sort of it's like, what

812
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 1: is the narrative purpose of this character if not to

813
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 1: have killed this woman? Do you know what I mean? Like,

814
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 1: what what else is he story besides this sort of

815
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 1: sense of like, um conflict between her family and him,

816
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 1: which I don't think is like justification enough for how

817
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: much time he gets. Yeah, yeah, that's totally real. Um.

818
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,439
Speaker 1: And I guess I I should fault to me saying

819
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 1: what I think, and I'm resting with it. I really

820
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:02,919
Speaker 1: feel like it could go either way. I think that

821
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 1: I think that you both could be varying degrees of right.

822
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,800
Speaker 1: I think that Pat's really onto something, but I also

823
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:10,800
Speaker 1: think there might be something to the fact that Nicole.

824
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: There's no spectrum of truth. Okay, you think Nicole did it.

825
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 1: I think that it's possible Nicole did it because I

826
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 1: think it's kind of interesting. I'm so sick of that

827
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 1: type of thing where we realized the star the whole

828
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 1: time had done it, like let me see enough for that. Yeah.

829
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:31,479
Speaker 1: I just no matter what the outcome is, I feel

830
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,320
Speaker 1: like I've seen every version of it, you know what

831
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 1: I mean, that's totally with the show. There's a version

832
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 1: of it that I'm into, which is like Jodie Foster

833
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 1: and Flight Plan where it's like they accused, Like there's

834
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,280
Speaker 1: a whole like the half of Actuo is them accusing

835
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 1: her of of of losing the daughter. I love that movie.

836
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 1: I never saw that movie, but should I watch it?

837
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 1: I just yeah, Oh my god, you would love it.

838
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 1: I'm sure you would love it. Isn't it Jodie Foster

839
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: and Peter Scarsard and then um, and then I'm Sean Bean.

840
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: Isn't it too? Oh? I love Sean Bean. Let's take

841
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 1: a break and we're back. And here's the thing. I

842
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 1: want to just kind of hard cut because one of

843
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 1: the reasons I was so excited to have Patrick on

844
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 1: today was because we have so much Housewives stuff to

845
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 1: talk about and I really need the Housewives authority. And

846
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 1: then at the end of the episode, we'll kind of

847
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 1: have his special guest correspondent, grayze anatomy correspondent way in.

848
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 1: But I need to know what my girls thought of

849
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City premier. I thought

850
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 1: it was I think we're really being set up. I

851
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 1: think I'm cautiously very optimistic. Me too, I think so.

852
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 1: I I saw a snippet of the Watford Happens Live

853
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 1: where they were all on like that. It was chaotic,

854
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 1: that felt a little like Corey gra I mean all

855
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 1: of it is, But yeah, I I can't tell yet

856
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 1: after episode one of season one, I don't want to

857
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 1: see what kind of terms they're all on now, Like,

858
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: let that play out before me. Spoiler alert, don't Bowen

859
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 1: Andy Collen, oh primer. I do think, like, like it

860
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: was funny to watch them all have their first like

861
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: appearance on watch What Happens Live be all together and

862
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 1: on a zoom because it just felt like jumpy and

863
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 1: like they were all trying to get their moment. You

864
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: can tell who, like the fucking hogs are from the

865
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: first episode the Hogs, I mean Jen is Jen, Mary

866
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: and Lisa, I think, and Heather. I'm still in a

867
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 1: place with um uh, with the with that with Salt

868
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:39,280
Speaker 1: Lake City where I need to know. Their names aren't

869
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,360
Speaker 1: enough for me to know who they are. So here's

870
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:44,360
Speaker 1: here's I can run it down Meith, Mary and Meredith.

871
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 1: I know Mary is the pentecost is the first lady

872
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 1: of the Pentecostal Church who married her stepgrandfather. Yeah, we

873
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 1: famously have Jen who's the first Muslim housewife ever. She

874
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 1: is married to a football coach, and she is she

875
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 1: used to be Mormon and now she is Muslim. And

876
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 1: as the Utah State Um, yes, yes, yes, he's a coach.

877
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,760
Speaker 1: You just say, it's crazy how much money college football

878
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 1: coaches make. Well, they're certainly loaded. And then but I

879
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,320
Speaker 1: think she also has her own business. Um. And then um,

880
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 1: there's Lisa Barlow, who I found out is actually the

881
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 1: centerpiece from which they built out the cast. It was

882
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 1: Lisa because because this originally was supposed to be about

883
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 1: business women in Utah and they were not. It was

884
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 1: never not going to be about Mormons. It was like

885
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 1: it was like it was not supposed to be a

886
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 1: housewives franchise. And then they saw what they had and

887
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: they were like, this is a housewives franchise. I never

888
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:40,760
Speaker 1: understood as somebody who wasn't an anglifial, I never understood

889
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 1: why they didn't do that with one of my favorite

890
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 1: ladies of London, Ladies of London. But anyways, but anyways,

891
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: Lisa Barlow is like Miss sun Bands apparently, and she

892
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 1: owns tequila brands and she is an active Mormon, but

893
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 1: she converted because she's culturally Jewish. Then speaking of Jewish,

894
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,280
Speaker 1: there's Meredith who has her gaye son, which is iconic

895
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 1: to have the first gay son on a housewife's franchise.

896
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember there was one situation where someone

897
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: got outed by one of the other wife was a son,

898
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: a son of the family early in house I think

899
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 1: I want to say it was in Jersey. I was gonna, yeah,

900
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 1: that feels I think it was in Jersey. Someone said

901
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:20,359
Speaker 1: someone was gay and they didn't want to And I

902
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 1: cannot feel like your your son is gay would be

903
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 1: a thing, a slurry thing someone would say on the

904
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:29,319
Speaker 1: done out of malice. It was more done, I think

905
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 1: they were. It was like an ally of the not

906
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: of the gay community, of the other housewife who was

907
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:35,919
Speaker 1: who was attached to the gay son. And I think

908
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 1: it was just sort of like, I don't know, I

909
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 1: don't somehow it came at that. It wasn't like your

910
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 1: son's gay. It was more like referring him as a

911
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 1: gay son. For a gay son to one day be

912
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 1: attached to a house life is huge. I mean, it's

913
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 1: a huge moment in history. Just no, just just to

914
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 1: put it in Pat's um, in Pat's terminology. Just now, um,

915
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 1: the house life attached to the gates. Maybe not not

916
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:02,439
Speaker 1: not the gay son, mother, the housewife, it's to the case. Um.

917
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 1: So we see them sort of go on a hike.

918
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:06,359
Speaker 1: It's I was watching it with Jared in thirties. I

919
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 1: I kid you, not. Fifteen seconds into them being on screen,

920
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 1: he goes they're Jewish. He knew they were Jewish immediately.

921
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 1: And then what else we have? We have Um Whitney,

922
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 1: who we saw, we saw getting her vows renewed, um,

923
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 1: and we find out that she was excommunicated from the

924
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,959
Speaker 1: Mormon Church. Well, that's that's a controversial. Now she says

925
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 1: she's for having an affair with a married man while

926
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: she was married that she worked with, and now she's

927
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,919
Speaker 1: sort of being reaccepted into it in a way. And

928
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 1: finally we have Heather who is sort of has a

929
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 1: complicated relationship with the Mormon Church being met. Um, she's

930
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 1: divorced from one of the richest Mormons in the world.

931
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 1: I guess yes, he there's off of the bat seems

932
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 1: at least interesting to me. I think Heather feels like

933
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 1: Rony Heather. There were so many similarities. Yeah, and I

934
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 1: do love it. The other one. I love a storyline

935
00:49:57,640 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 1: where one refuses she met that te knew the other

936
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 1: I went before. There was two iconic things that happened.

937
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 1: I felt I don't know her, despite the fact that

938
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 1: you definitely do and you smell like hospital. Smell like hospital. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

939
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: Like it's um because especially knowing the cast was built

940
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:16,839
Speaker 1: out from Lisa, like she must have told producers she

941
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:20,359
Speaker 1: knew this woman. Literally. There was an interview where she's like, well,

942
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 1: the first person I went to was Heather, and so

943
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, so you did know who she was.

944
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 1: And I love the terminology of good Time Girl, where

945
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 1: it was like I would have loved I wish that

946
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 1: I was a good time It's my dream to go

947
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 1: back to a real school and be a good time girl.

948
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 1: And I would have looked Vagina that was dark that

949
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 1: it was that it's her dream to go back to college. Yeah,

950
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 1: but but but relatable in many ways. Okay, So I

951
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 1: want to stay right off the bat that out of

952
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 1: the six of them, I already know the one I

953
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 1: identified with, and it is Lisa because she went to

954
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 1: three different fast food restaurants with her kids and husband

955
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:03,280
Speaker 1: and out like a performance. To me, well, I believe

956
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 1: that they don't cook. I believe that they don't cook. Yeah,

957
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 1: I just felt too hammed up in a way that

958
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 1: was like, I just felt it was very like first

959
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: day of filming. I'm going to show them that kind

960
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 1: of mom I am, and not exactly one who cooks.

961
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 1: I'm the one who goes to like, I don't know, well,

962
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 1: fun her drag. I guess she didn't do a good

963
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 1: enough job. You're so fucking rude. Why how come? How

964
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 1: come when I say I identified with one you attack?

965
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 1: I never do that. You did that? You did never

966
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 1: did Ever. Though we did get into a scuffle on

967
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 1: Twitter over Denise, didn't we I wasn't considering considering it

968
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 1: a scuffle. I was considering it back and forth with

969
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 1: a friend. I was considering it a good natured intellectual

970
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 1: scuffle because you you are a good you are. But

971
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 1: I think we're on the same side. We're both team Denise.

972
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 1: I am team Denise. You know It's I don't always

973
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:55,839
Speaker 1: I'm not always on a team. Sometimes it's more like

974
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:58,879
Speaker 1: and sometimes I don't align everyone on the same team.

975
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 1: We're all pick and choose, like you from that side,

976
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 1: you from that side? Yeah, Um, I know we were

977
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 1: arguing about We were arguing about Erica because you said,

978
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 1: this is the first season you like Erica Jane and

979
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 1: I said, I've always liked Dereka Jane until this season. Yes,

980
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: and that and that was what we scuffed about. I

981
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 1: relate to Pat's view on Erica, which is the aggressive

982
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 1: pandering to the gays, um, which I think, which was

983
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:26,320
Speaker 1: your kind of like reasoning behind your sort of distaste

984
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 1: for her, right, Yeah, and yes, yes, Anyways, I don't

985
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 1: want to get off track. No, but who so who

986
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 1: bow and Yang first? You? Who do you identify with

987
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 1: on the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, Utah? I

988
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,360
Speaker 1: guess I'm I guess I'm either a Jen or a Meredith,

989
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 1: Jen in the way that like we but we like

990
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 1: we like sort of ostentatious things every now and then, um,

991
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 1: or Meredith in terms of me just being But I

992
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 1: guess you can't be either because Jenn and Meredith sort

993
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 1: of pitted against each other in this episode in a

994
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 1: way where it was Meredith party, but Jen made it

995
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 1: admitted about herself. I don't I know that. I don't

996
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 1: know that I would do that on Jen end part. No,

997
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:04,360
Speaker 1: I don't mean you. I don't see you as a

998
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 1: gin Can I be honest, Mary, No, I don't think

999
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 1: you're married. I think you might be. This is scary.

1000
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 1: I don't think you're I don't think you're Heather, but

1001
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 1: I should hope not. I think I'm a Meredith. You

1002
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 1: think you're Meredith. The only reason why I don't want

1003
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 1: you to necessarily be a Meredith Meredith is because and

1004
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 1: I don't wish that for you, is because out of

1005
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 1: the sex of the Meredith is the only one I

1006
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 1: thought maybe boring. Oh no, see, I'm a Meredith as well.

1007
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 1: I like Meredith. I'm married this as well. But that

1008
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 1: makes sense because me and Born are both Scorpios. And

1009
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 1: so if you're a Scorpio and you're a Meredith, I'm

1010
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 1: doing a study, so please DM me. And if you're

1011
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 1: willing to do a trial where you live in a

1012
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 1: lab for nine weeks as a Scorpio who's a Meredith,

1013
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 1: then please ye me. Maybe you are because because both Meredith,

1014
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 1: Meredith and Lisa are best friends. And that's and if

1015
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 1: I'm saying I identify as a Lisa. That makes sense

1016
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 1: for me to read both of you. So I'm trying

1017
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 1: to figure out, Like I'm there was something early on

1018
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:05,720
Speaker 1: that made me go I love Meredith, and I can't

1019
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 1: remember this is someone said this? I think I don't

1020
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:10,279
Speaker 1: know if it was up or for was someone else.

1021
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 1: But um, the fact that Meredith is not like pointing out,

1022
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 1: like emphasizing the fact that her son is gay. Yes,

1023
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 1: she just tastefully has a Gason. She does, he's not

1024
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:23,400
Speaker 1: so far has not made a big deal out of it.

1025
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 1: I respect that she's just tastefully the house life attached

1026
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:31,439
Speaker 1: to the Gayson. But wait, can I ask you guys

1027
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 1: a question? Her husband Seth screams second family to me. Oh,

1028
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 1: there's always one. I could certainly see it being him. Um.

1029
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 1: It's weird to think that we're getting to know these

1030
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 1: women and it will capital w get to a place

1031
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 1: where we are. We are seeing life shattering, the world

1032
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 1: altering drama before them. I feel like I know who's

1033
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 1: not going to make a back into Whitney. Whitney Whitney. Yeah,

1034
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 1: she's too disconnected and she doesn't she hasn't. She's certainly done. Um,

1035
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:13,440
Speaker 1: interesting things He's made interesting choices, but she herself doesn't

1036
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 1: strike me as interesting. I'm not desperate to know what

1037
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:20,280
Speaker 1: she's about to say. Sure, her main storyline was off screen.

1038
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 1: Her cousin was like, I'm happy for yours. Well, we

1039
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 1: saw we saw that. We saw that from the shoulder

1040
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:32,360
Speaker 1: down from the Pat, did you did you go with

1041
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 1: us to see Sense of Boulevard on Broadway? No? No,

1042
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 1: I saw um on island Once on this Island with you? Oh? Yes?

1043
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 1: And then and then Patt and I went to go

1044
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:47,759
Speaker 1: see Slave Pat. Pat isn't for all of Pats a

1045
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:50,399
Speaker 1: version to theater. I rejected that notion, and I think

1046
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 1: Pat actually loves well. But he said one of my

1047
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:54,879
Speaker 1: favorite things that I've ever heard leaving a theater, which

1048
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 1: was as we're leaving Once on this Island, which Bone

1049
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:02,399
Speaker 1: and I loved, I really love on this Island. We

1050
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 1: were leaving and I said, Pat, what did you think?

1051
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:06,479
Speaker 1: He goes. I didn't like it. She was mentally ill

1052
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 1: and then helped the main characters of that felt. The

1053
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:17,400
Speaker 1: main characters that film I think struggled. I think Um

1054
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,400
Speaker 1: there was decision making and that in her that I

1055
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 1: didn't understand, and I thought she needed someone to talk to.

1056
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:27,279
Speaker 1: But I'm also, um, do you feel that way about

1057
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 1: Ariel in The Little Mormid? Because they're very similar stories.

1058
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 1: Almost every female character is mentally ill if you really

1059
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:36,799
Speaker 1: track it down before five Well, I think, I mean

1060
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:39,839
Speaker 1: I think that, Yeah, anyone who was like immediately like

1061
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 1: I've met you and now there was something in that

1062
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:45,799
Speaker 1: play where I was like, there was some moment where

1063
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:48,399
Speaker 1: I was like, this is this? Well, she sees him

1064
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 1: immediately and she sings about the stranger and white the

1065
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 1: rest of them, thinking how did she recognize I remember

1066
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:56,879
Speaker 1: thinking how she even recognized him? They didn't even meet

1067
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 1: or something like that. I remember thinking she should go

1068
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 1: and move on with her life instead of, um, going

1069
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 1: with instead of being obsessed with this guy. Sure, I

1070
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 1: don't remember the play quite well enough to really I

1071
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 1: think maybe maybe what maybe what upset you is when

1072
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:13,320
Speaker 1: she gets thrown out of the kingdom and she sits

1073
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 1: outside the gate for three weeks. Ultimately stars I was

1074
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 1: a girl, she turns into a tree, is really what happens?

1075
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 1: That is, Yeah, I didn't like that, and that didn't happen,

1076
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 1: and that didn't happen in what We're made with Sunset Boulevard.

1077
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 1: Bone is referencing when Bone and I went for my

1078
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 1: birthday and we were we were in the literal like

1079
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 1: truly one of the last in the theater to see

1080
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 1: Glenn close in Sunset Boulevard and she comes out and

1081
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 1: makes her amazing first entrance and all we could see

1082
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 1: was her little feet and people looking out here of

1083
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 1: this like and people were flipping out. We were streaming. Yeah,

1084
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:56,960
Speaker 1: that sucks, I am I you know speaking of this.

1085
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 1: You know I saw it the New just before quarantine.

1086
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 1: I saw an opening night. I hate to call myself

1087
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 1: the sort of theater metropolitan man who lives in New York,

1088
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:13,439
Speaker 1: Who is guy? Um what? I saw the New West

1089
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 1: Side Story with Isaac Cole Powell. Yes, I saw the

1090
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 1: day before lockdown. Oh, I saw it like a few

1091
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 1: days before lockdown. So I guess a little bit before you,

1092
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 1: I guess, And then you must have seen that I

1093
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 1: saw it, and then you saw it soon after. You

1094
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 1: probably influenced Poe's decision. You're an influencer. But you, guys

1095
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 1: do you guys both know that Isaac Cole Powell, who

1096
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 1: was the lead US story, was the lead and once

1097
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 1: on a siland and say that I was attracted to

1098
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 1: him both of those um roles very attractive sexually. And secondly, um,

1099
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 1: I was second row of that which I felt like,

1100
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 1: oh my god, they gave us it was this great

1101
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 1: seat and it was one of these events that we

1102
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 1: went to, was like an opening and uh so we went.

1103
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 1: We didn't know what seat and for when we could

1104
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 1: not find our the young woman who was going to

1105
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 1: give us our tickets, who was a very speak or

1106
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 1: nice and we're trying to get her attention, and then

1107
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 1: we turned her into literally in our face, truly breathing

1108
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 1: on us as we were like looking, was Vanessa Hudgens like,

1109
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 1: that's insane. Well you and your same sex partner Angelo, Yes,

1110
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 1: I would say Angela might have touched her nose, but

1111
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 1: the side of his head. And anyways, they put in

1112
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:24,640
Speaker 1: the second row and we were like, oh my god,

1113
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 1: this is so um they gave us good seats, but

1114
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:31,440
Speaker 1: so much of it happens like on the screens that

1115
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 1: we truly couldn't see a play, Like we truly couldn't

1116
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:36,640
Speaker 1: see the play. It's actually it's actually a rule of culture.

1117
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 1: Sometimes very close seats are not the best seats. That's rule.

1118
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 1: Filter number sometimes sometimes very close are not the best seats. Um,

1119
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 1: I want to get us back on track. Well, let's

1120
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 1: let's be quickly checking on Potomac. Yeah, so let's just

1121
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 1: chat about what did you feel about this last episode

1122
00:59:56,680 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 1: of I God, I really loved Wendy the beginning of

1123
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:04,080
Speaker 1: the season. Now I'm just like, you got this exceptionalism narrative.

1124
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 1: He's got to stop this. I honor the fact that

1125
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:12,680
Speaker 1: she is so educated. We all do, but she but

1126
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:16,800
Speaker 1: the way that she sort of doesn't weaponize it, but like,

1127
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 1: I mean, just kind of lets it frame Every single

1128
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 1: conflict on that show is a little, it's it's it's

1129
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 1: a lot, and it's like, you gotta, you gotta ditch

1130
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 1: the exceptionalism narrative. This is this just applies for anybody

1131
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 1: where we are not, we are not, we are not,

1132
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 1: We're none of us are even that special. Do you

1133
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:35,000
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? I only have a bachelor's degree,

1134
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 1: and I felt comfortable saying that I have a Bachelor

1135
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 1: of Fine Arts. Wow, I have a b F Matt,

1136
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:46,720
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think better that. I don't

1137
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 1: help that I'm humiliate. I won't, I won't, I won't

1138
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 1: ever again, seriously, don't say that I'm waving my arms

1139
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:56,240
Speaker 1: in the air, which is my state. That's what I produces.

1140
01:00:56,320 --> 01:01:00,520
Speaker 1: To cut that, I think. Um. I really also identify

1141
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 1: with Bowen Yang and what he was saying because I

1142
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 1: really loved Wendy so much and I still do, like

1143
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 1: I still do. I am a very forgiving person. Or

1144
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 1: if I like you, you really can do kind of

1145
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 1: stupid ship for a little while and then I'll still

1146
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:17,120
Speaker 1: like you, like I still love Kenya more, I still

1147
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:23,080
Speaker 1: love Bethany, I still I still have love for Teresa. Teresa,

1148
01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:25,880
Speaker 1: I don't have love for Renna. Actually, that's so stupid.

1149
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 1: That's really disrespectful to say. And I call it. They

1150
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:31,120
Speaker 1: all have varying levels of I call immunity. And I

1151
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 1: said this on the thread, but like for me, Robin

1152
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:35,120
Speaker 1: is someone who has immunity. Where do I always agree

1153
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 1: with her? And it's should she have included Karen in

1154
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:42,240
Speaker 1: her website? Absolutely? Yeah, that was The pictures weren't even bad.

1155
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:45,280
Speaker 1: When she said these pictures are not usable and then

1156
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:47,440
Speaker 1: showed like these kind of stunning pictures of Karen, I

1157
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 1: was like, bitch. And then when she told when she

1158
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:51,720
Speaker 1: said under confessional that she remembers years ago when Karen

1159
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:55,800
Speaker 1: said she didn't like raise Dick. Oh yes, yes, yes, yes, yes,

1160
01:01:55,960 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 1: Robin was doing a lot. Robin is being messy. But

1161
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:02,240
Speaker 1: she's someone who was like, Okay, you shouldn't be doing

1162
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 1: a space of like you, Monique. As someone who's in

1163
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 1: that category with like, I can be firmly on your

1164
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:10,040
Speaker 1: side while acknowledging that you've been like in Monique. First, Candice,

1165
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:12,320
Speaker 1: I am on monique side while knowing that she is

1166
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:15,720
Speaker 1: very much in the wrong in that situation. I'm I'm

1167
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 1: finding that I agree with Pat Regan in all things. Yeah. Wow,

1168
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:23,200
Speaker 1: I think I agree with Patrick and Bowen because I

1169
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:26,320
Speaker 1: am also rooting for God. I am also rooting for

1170
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:28,440
Speaker 1: Monique and knowing that what she did was wrong. I

1171
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:31,680
Speaker 1: just I can't get on team Candice. I can't. No,

1172
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:34,720
Speaker 1: I've I've always struggled with Candice from an early age,

1173
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:39,720
Speaker 1: and I think that, um, I think we've all spoken

1174
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:43,880
Speaker 1: about Karen having this sort of redemption story where and

1175
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:47,200
Speaker 1: I'm also experiencing that to a lesser degree, but nonetheless

1176
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 1: that I'm experiencing it with Ashley, who I really didn't

1177
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:57,000
Speaker 1: like for a long time, and now she's kind of episode. Yes,

1178
01:02:57,200 --> 01:03:00,480
Speaker 1: I mean she's going to she's going to get some ship.

1179
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 1: I think for the next episode. I think on Twitter

1180
01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:06,200
Speaker 1: people won't be happy with her. But because she's like

1181
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:09,320
Speaker 1: going against Candy, like what is It's like, I I

1182
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 1: want to decentralize Candice from this this narrative. I've I've

1183
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:16,640
Speaker 1: said the word decentralized a lot this episode, but as

1184
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:18,800
Speaker 1: you have to, and sometimes an episode calls for that,

1185
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 1: thank you, But I feel like it's like the whole,

1186
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:26,680
Speaker 1: the whole, the whole, like atmosphere of the episodes lately

1187
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:30,280
Speaker 1: has been make sure we don't piss off Candice. Yeah, no,

1188
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:34,040
Speaker 1: I know, I think that. Um. I loved Karen's impression

1189
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:37,720
Speaker 1: of Wendy walking down the stairs by the way, and no,

1190
01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:40,360
Speaker 1: I know I think that. Um, but I think actually

1191
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:42,760
Speaker 1: it feels like why are you? What it's insane is

1192
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:46,960
Speaker 1: for Monique to be suing Candice is crazy, right, and

1193
01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:49,960
Speaker 1: so for actually to be lending support to that moment,

1194
01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:52,000
Speaker 1: for someone to like truly beat the ship out of

1195
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:53,640
Speaker 1: you and then be like, I'm actually suing you because

1196
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:56,200
Speaker 1: I beat the ship out of you, it's crazy and um,

1197
01:03:56,240 --> 01:03:59,520
Speaker 1: so for actually to be like she those are like

1198
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:02,320
Speaker 1: for her to like this thing, being like she's definitely

1199
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:05,520
Speaker 1: not cool. Judge like is kind of like, actually, don't

1200
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:06,880
Speaker 1: worry about it, you know what I mean, Like I

1201
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:09,840
Speaker 1: don't know that Candice needs to be sued over this,

1202
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:12,800
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Well, Okay, so in my

1203
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:18,160
Speaker 1: experience sharing space digitally virtually with Monique, Samuel's oh yes,

1204
01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:23,960
Speaker 1: which she's she's countersuing with with this like sort of

1205
01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:28,040
Speaker 1: testimony that Candice was the aggressor and she kind of

1206
01:04:28,080 --> 01:04:32,240
Speaker 1: actually even landed the first blow, which we which from

1207
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:34,000
Speaker 1: the footage we've seen, is not true. But then Moniqu

1208
01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:37,160
Speaker 1: kept saying to Andy like I'll have I'm bringing receipts

1209
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:39,920
Speaker 1: to the reunion, which we should we shot. We shot

1210
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:42,000
Speaker 1: this episode like before, and then they just finished the

1211
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:44,240
Speaker 1: union and they say it might be four parts. Yes,

1212
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:47,520
Speaker 1: I saw that, um, And so Monique, Monique's whole thing

1213
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:51,880
Speaker 1: is like bringing in actual undoctored footage quote unquote that

1214
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:54,960
Speaker 1: Cannie was the first person to like start the fight.

1215
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:57,520
Speaker 1: But so she's not even saying that on the show

1216
01:04:57,560 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 1: though she's talking about this wine class. Um. Yes, an

1217
01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:06,600
Speaker 1: Candace story that I mean, there was definitely a long

1218
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:08,920
Speaker 1: period of time where her could have been let go

1219
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:10,840
Speaker 1: of you know what I mean, Like I mean Monique

1220
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:14,919
Speaker 1: was attacking her viciously and ran back to her. Yes

1221
01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:17,880
Speaker 1: this being said, I am anti Monique, but um and

1222
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:20,880
Speaker 1: I think Karen's handling it with much of palm. Yeah,

1223
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:22,960
Speaker 1: thank you. Um I just wanted to ask one more

1224
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:25,919
Speaker 1: Housewives question before we get before we bring the correspondent

1225
01:05:26,040 --> 01:05:28,480
Speaker 1: part of you in, which is, what are your thoughts

1226
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:30,960
Speaker 1: on Cathy Hilton joining the Beverly Hills Housewives. Is this

1227
01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:33,560
Speaker 1: just another way for them to pad team Kyle or

1228
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:36,000
Speaker 1: do you think it will get interesting? So, Kyle someone

1229
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:38,040
Speaker 1: whom I is another one that I forgive kind of

1230
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:40,680
Speaker 1: And that's why. And that's why me and Lenna have

1231
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:45,120
Speaker 1: a strange Renna have a strange relationship because, um I

1232
01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:49,360
Speaker 1: just Wrenna. Something about her just drives me crazy. Like

1233
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:52,520
Speaker 1: when she said you're so angry, she could have been

1234
01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:54,160
Speaker 1: talking to me. She could have been done to me

1235
01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:57,080
Speaker 1: at that moment. And yeah, and she knows that and

1236
01:05:57,080 --> 01:06:03,000
Speaker 1: that's why she are are you are so? And Kathy?

1237
01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:05,040
Speaker 1: I think it's what the fans have wanted for a

1238
01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:07,880
Speaker 1: long time. We want to see all which, by the way,

1239
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:10,400
Speaker 1: I did you guys watch the Paracels and doc. Yes,

1240
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:14,200
Speaker 1: a big part of the Parcelson doc is that she

1241
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:18,880
Speaker 1: has like eighteen m laptops, and when asked why, she's like,

1242
01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:20,400
Speaker 1: I just every time I break up with the guy,

1243
01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:23,280
Speaker 1: I have to get a new laptop because they might

1244
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:25,840
Speaker 1: break into my old laptop. The logic doesn't make any

1245
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:29,680
Speaker 1: sense at all, and it's like, okay, cool. But I

1246
01:06:29,720 --> 01:06:32,520
Speaker 1: think that documentary is the reason why Kathy is finally

1247
01:06:32,560 --> 01:06:35,240
Speaker 1: doing the show because I think that her reputation took

1248
01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:40,120
Speaker 1: a huge hit. Documentary came out because yeah, you know,

1249
01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:43,600
Speaker 1: and always says he wants Chris and I and I do.

1250
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:45,720
Speaker 1: We don't need to Chris. I don't think she'll ever

1251
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:47,960
Speaker 1: do it. I think she might. I mean, she's done

1252
01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:51,240
Speaker 1: with e you know, she will never do something that

1253
01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:54,919
Speaker 1: she cannot produces, not control of her that's true. She's

1254
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:57,240
Speaker 1: never going to allow her image to be manipulated by

1255
01:06:57,240 --> 01:06:59,920
Speaker 1: someone else, now that she's made probably close to a

1256
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:03,920
Speaker 1: billion dollars doing about herself. Yeah, that's True's true. Anyways,

1257
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:05,880
Speaker 1: I think Kathy has got to know. Kathy has problems

1258
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:08,160
Speaker 1: with Renna. I've seen that that's going on. They're already

1259
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:11,040
Speaker 1: feuding on social media, So I think it's Renn has

1260
01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:13,640
Speaker 1: come up into the season. Yeah, it's it's time for

1261
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:15,720
Speaker 1: N to have a bit of a fall, I think.

1262
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:18,520
Speaker 1: And Garcella, I think, I think this is what I think.

1263
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:22,880
Speaker 1: I think Kyle, who's been photographed shooting with Garcelle, is

1264
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:26,160
Speaker 1: recruiting Garcelle because I think Kyle sees an opportunity to

1265
01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:29,480
Speaker 1: like bring garcell in because Garcela has a bad taste

1266
01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:32,640
Speaker 1: in her mouth Rerena from last season. So I think

1267
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:36,680
Speaker 1: that garcell will get kind of um persuaded to join

1268
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:43,520
Speaker 1: Team Richards, which which includes Kathy and can happen when too.

1269
01:07:43,560 --> 01:07:46,120
Speaker 1: I feel like when two people are such foes one season,

1270
01:07:46,120 --> 01:07:48,280
Speaker 1: they end up being allies because it's like we saw

1271
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:51,200
Speaker 1: that with um, we saw that with Teddy and Dret

1272
01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:56,320
Speaker 1: last and also Eric Erica and Durt Erica and Dret

1273
01:07:56,680 --> 01:08:00,480
Speaker 1: and we're seeing that with Monique and Ashley and um.

1274
01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:02,960
Speaker 1: So whatever. But the other thing is one more thing

1275
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:05,360
Speaker 1: I have to say about housewives. What I've noticed in

1276
01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:10,439
Speaker 1: me pause for driving this is beautiful. What I've noticed

1277
01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:12,120
Speaker 1: it me is for some reason, I'm so drawn to

1278
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:15,160
Speaker 1: the betas, like I love cost lives that are like

1279
01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 1: kind of the underlings of of an alpha and so

1280
01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:20,120
Speaker 1: like my favorite house lives across the board are Robin

1281
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:26,040
Speaker 1: Dolores from Jersey, Um, Stephanie from Dallas. Stephanie from Dallas

1282
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:27,880
Speaker 1: is one of the queens. She's one of my she's

1283
01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:29,439
Speaker 1: one of my course, she's in my all sar cast

1284
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:36,000
Speaker 1: i'd loved um. Carol was huge for me, and um,

1285
01:08:36,040 --> 01:08:38,600
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a beta. I guess no, no, no, but

1286
01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:42,840
Speaker 1: I love no Carol falls. And you guys can be

1287
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:46,080
Speaker 1: Carol and Heather if you want for Halloween. If you're

1288
01:08:46,320 --> 01:08:49,080
Speaker 1: you're saying that I should be Heather for Halloween, I

1289
01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:53,000
Speaker 1: see you two as Carol and Heather for Halloween, okay.

1290
01:08:54,200 --> 01:09:03,679
Speaker 1: And and I'm Bessiny and and that they though honestly

1291
01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:09,280
Speaker 1: that should be and I'm Desfini, and I do think that, Um,

1292
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:13,120
Speaker 1: that's logically logically. My favorite on Atlanta should be Cynthia,

1293
01:09:13,200 --> 01:09:16,160
Speaker 1: I feel like, but for some reason, in Atlanta the

1294
01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:18,679
Speaker 1: pattern is broken. And my favorites on Atlanta are Porsche

1295
01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:22,880
Speaker 1: and Kenya is the number one. And so yeah, yeah,

1296
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:26,640
Speaker 1: I mean Porsche is um incredible. She should have like

1297
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:31,000
Speaker 1: a huge career in scripted. I'm gonna go Porsche should

1298
01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:34,280
Speaker 1: have a huge career in scripted. See Porsche. I think

1299
01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:36,320
Speaker 1: is an alpha who needs to be taken care of,

1300
01:09:36,439 --> 01:09:38,400
Speaker 1: and I feel like you, I think, I think that's

1301
01:09:38,479 --> 01:09:40,800
Speaker 1: very pat Yeah, maybe I look for the ones who

1302
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:43,200
Speaker 1: need taking care of it. Maybe that's how I feel.

1303
01:09:43,320 --> 01:09:44,960
Speaker 1: Maybe that's how I feel. I have a different take

1304
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:47,120
Speaker 1: on Porsha, which is that she's a beta who rose

1305
01:09:47,360 --> 01:09:50,800
Speaker 1: very quickly to alpha and too fast to where it

1306
01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:54,200
Speaker 1: was messy. But now she's settled into her alpha status

1307
01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:58,879
Speaker 1: and it's enjoyable. But she had a rocky road. Yeah,

1308
01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:02,320
Speaker 1: I mean she literal, she literal really Monique Kenya, she

1309
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:05,479
Speaker 1: literally dragged her. I loved when they were like getting along,

1310
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:07,720
Speaker 1: you know. I saw Joel I was went to set

1311
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:11,639
Speaker 1: in the audience of Joels keep on with Kenya, and

1312
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:14,120
Speaker 1: I just remember that was after the premiere of Atlanta,

1313
01:10:14,160 --> 01:10:16,559
Speaker 1: so we hadn't seen it yet, and Kenya was saying

1314
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:18,280
Speaker 1: to her in port here in this great place, and

1315
01:10:18,280 --> 01:10:19,840
Speaker 1: I'd love to hear it. But now it seems like

1316
01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:23,400
Speaker 1: they were kind of um not anymore. Yeah, I don't

1317
01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:25,519
Speaker 1: know if they'll ever be best. I hope I'm being

1318
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:28,120
Speaker 1: interesting because I don't feel like I'm being funny, that's

1319
01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:32,200
Speaker 1: that's okay. Every time you come on three hours of

1320
01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:39,080
Speaker 1: sleeping at last night? Why why? I don't even understand why. Basically, um, basically,

1321
01:10:39,200 --> 01:10:41,800
Speaker 1: we got a crazy sleep schedule that somehow resulted in

1322
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:43,800
Speaker 1: two nights ago and me sleeping from four am to

1323
01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:46,679
Speaker 1: one pm and then napping from six pm to eight pm.

1324
01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:48,719
Speaker 1: So this is crazy. And I could not fall asleep

1325
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:50,960
Speaker 1: into almost seven am, and then I woke up at

1326
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:55,080
Speaker 1: ten am. That's shocking. What was it? What? What? What

1327
01:10:55,200 --> 01:10:58,599
Speaker 1: brought on the sleep schedule? Like the first domino falling,

1328
01:10:58,760 --> 01:11:03,840
Speaker 1: it was the domino that did faull was just quarantine

1329
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:05,840
Speaker 1: and I happened eight months ago, and now it's the

1330
01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:09,160
Speaker 1: learning behavior. It's the first domino fell eight months ago.

1331
01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:14,120
Speaker 1: That has been another domino. What a sick, kind of

1332
01:11:14,160 --> 01:11:19,400
Speaker 1: torturous time for the dominoes to keep falling so hard? Wait?

1333
01:11:19,479 --> 01:11:22,160
Speaker 1: Can I can I actually confront you about something? Oh?

1334
01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:27,200
Speaker 1: Of course that's Mike came on the show. I feel that, Um,

1335
01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:29,479
Speaker 1: so this is this is something very sensitive to me.

1336
01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:34,479
Speaker 1: I got really into Survivor and I would often try

1337
01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:36,439
Speaker 1: to like engage with you about it, and I felt

1338
01:11:36,439 --> 01:11:42,280
Speaker 1: that you shut me down repeatedly. You're laughing, tiling, and

1339
01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:44,640
Speaker 1: you know it's true. And I feel that can I

1340
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:46,880
Speaker 1: say what I feel? I feel that you thought I

1341
01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:51,120
Speaker 1: was trying to like take Survivor being your thing, and

1342
01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:54,280
Speaker 1: that was not the case. Pat, I hear you. First

1343
01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:57,280
Speaker 1: of all, I don't feel survivor is my thing, even

1344
01:11:58,360 --> 01:12:03,559
Speaker 1: pause for Paul for gravitas. I think that, um, no,

1345
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:07,559
Speaker 1: it's Chris Kelly's it's Chris Kelly's thing. It's our ultimately survivors,

1346
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:10,360
Speaker 1: Aaron Jackson's thing. And no, that's that, that's that's true,

1347
01:12:10,360 --> 01:12:15,719
Speaker 1: that's right. I think that what was poking insecurity? Okay,

1348
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:18,120
Speaker 1: and now I'm getting vulnerable and I'm being cowering after

1349
01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:27,240
Speaker 1: she's had a couple um yeah um ums you too.

1350
01:12:27,320 --> 01:12:31,880
Speaker 1: I think are both very enthusiastic about the culture that

1351
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:35,360
Speaker 1: you love, and that's what we the universal we love

1352
01:12:35,400 --> 01:12:38,880
Speaker 1: about you guys. Okay, but I think that Survivor is

1353
01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:42,000
Speaker 1: something that has always felt neats to me in this

1354
01:12:42,120 --> 01:12:47,200
Speaker 1: New York gay world, it suddenly felt like and and

1355
01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:50,240
Speaker 1: Parvety was someone who was really special to me and

1356
01:12:50,360 --> 01:12:55,760
Speaker 1: important to me m developmentally and yeah even more, Yeah,

1357
01:12:55,760 --> 01:13:01,720
Speaker 1: she is the reason that I um came out and

1358
01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:03,720
Speaker 1: I think that. So I just think I was like,

1359
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:05,639
Speaker 1: you know how we all feel. But you could draw

1360
01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:08,600
Speaker 1: the same comparison of I'm someone who got very into

1361
01:13:09,400 --> 01:13:12,080
Speaker 1: jag Grace, very like the game. So it's the same

1362
01:13:12,120 --> 01:13:16,799
Speaker 1: same comparisons could be John. Then I'm here to say

1363
01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:19,760
Speaker 1: they can. I absolutely feel because in some way I

1364
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:22,280
Speaker 1: was like, wait after you and I feel this way

1365
01:13:22,280 --> 01:13:23,720
Speaker 1: about man a lot of times where I'm like, I've

1366
01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:26,720
Speaker 1: told you about this thing for years and now you're

1367
01:13:26,760 --> 01:13:29,960
Speaker 1: on board, and now you're now you're fully like kind

1368
01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:33,280
Speaker 1: of blossoming in the space that is untethered from like

1369
01:13:33,400 --> 01:13:36,439
Speaker 1: my like pushing this on you for years and years

1370
01:13:36,439 --> 01:13:40,559
Speaker 1: and years, like I do I acknowledge about Jack Grayce

1371
01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:43,120
Speaker 1: is that U it is insane that I like, truly

1372
01:13:43,160 --> 01:13:46,960
Speaker 1: for decades decades, I'm aging myself with how long I

1373
01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:50,320
Speaker 1: have I watched Dry Grace and um, and I don't

1374
01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:52,519
Speaker 1: know what I just you know what happened is I

1375
01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:54,960
Speaker 1: made it through because I remember watching this season stuff

1376
01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:59,000
Speaker 1: and premiere at Bowen's apartment, um, back in the day

1377
01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:03,919
Speaker 1: and not connecting and not getting it, and then UM,

1378
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:09,400
Speaker 1: one time at Lulu Cross is I'm me and Matt

1379
01:14:09,400 --> 01:14:12,960
Speaker 1: and Henry watched a different season from Youre an old

1380
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:15,439
Speaker 1: one and I don't remember which one, and I couldn't connect.

1381
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:18,479
Speaker 1: And then I tried to watch season four by myself

1382
01:14:18,520 --> 01:14:20,240
Speaker 1: one time and it was like the zombie thing and

1383
01:14:20,280 --> 01:14:23,040
Speaker 1: I was like, this is so long, and I couldn't

1384
01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:25,639
Speaker 1: It was not the right time and place. The trips

1385
01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:27,439
Speaker 1: have fallen in the right way now where you can

1386
01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:30,439
Speaker 1: enjoy it now in decades after everyone else. And it

1387
01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:32,960
Speaker 1: was watching with and she was he was able to contextualize.

1388
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:35,280
Speaker 1: I could ask things like, what were people saying at

1389
01:14:35,280 --> 01:14:36,600
Speaker 1: the time? You know what I mean? Sometimes you just

1390
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:38,720
Speaker 1: need that kind of what we're someone to tell you

1391
01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:41,200
Speaker 1: what people were saying at the time, because you obviously

1392
01:14:41,240 --> 01:14:43,320
Speaker 1: are watching you wa It's like, how do people feel

1393
01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:45,920
Speaker 1: about Sharon? I need to have that conversation, need someone

1394
01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:48,320
Speaker 1: to represent Yeah, And so I guess, I guess, so

1395
01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:50,479
Speaker 1: I guess. So for me, what I'm saying, which is

1396
01:14:50,479 --> 01:14:52,200
Speaker 1: the reason why I brought this up, is that I

1397
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:55,679
Speaker 1: and literally almost exact same as you're saying, was sort

1398
01:14:55,720 --> 01:14:58,559
Speaker 1: of looking to engage with you, my close friend about it,

1399
01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:01,160
Speaker 1: and I felt that, you know what, sort of one

1400
01:15:01,160 --> 01:15:04,280
Speaker 1: word answer or even worse, L O L me sometimes

1401
01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:07,200
Speaker 1: when I when I wanted to say, like wow, Ken

1402
01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:09,960
Speaker 1: from Millennials gen X is so hot or whatever, and

1403
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:11,840
Speaker 1: so like you know, that's I guess That's all I'm

1404
01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:15,519
Speaker 1: saying is I was hurt by it and that and

1405
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:17,960
Speaker 1: the ball is in your court. Okay, So I'm gonna

1406
01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:20,720
Speaker 1: take the ball and dribble a couple of times and

1407
01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:25,320
Speaker 1: start driving towards the hoop. By saying that I really

1408
01:15:25,360 --> 01:15:27,000
Speaker 1: saw it as a ball. I really saw it as

1409
01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:30,640
Speaker 1: a tennis ball. I think that because I think I

1410
01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:34,799
Speaker 1: think the expression is basketball. Yeah, I've always thought basketball.

1411
01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:37,240
Speaker 1: I'll have to ask. I'll check in with the panel. No,

1412
01:15:37,960 --> 01:15:42,519
Speaker 1: they say they're upset that there. They they can't agree.

1413
01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:45,080
Speaker 1: One of them says basketball, one of them says tennis.

1414
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:49,200
Speaker 1: Who's saying who's saying what? Megan is sort of very

1415
01:15:49,240 --> 01:15:52,479
Speaker 1: loudly saying it's basketball, and Abby is sort of very

1416
01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:57,920
Speaker 1: quietly saying she thinks it's tennis. And unfortunately three votes

1417
01:15:57,960 --> 01:16:01,880
Speaker 1: for bath that still three votes for basketball took alright,

1418
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:04,400
Speaker 1: So so anyway, what are you gonna do with the ball? No,

1419
01:16:04,520 --> 01:16:06,880
Speaker 1: I acknowledge that I understand where you felt that. I

1420
01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:09,479
Speaker 1: think there was discomfort, but I do think, and I'll said,

1421
01:16:09,479 --> 01:16:10,720
Speaker 1: and I'm not saying this is your fault, but this

1422
01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:13,160
Speaker 1: is where it's coming from. It was very much like

1423
01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:18,280
Speaker 1: a very public I get this, and I think because

1424
01:16:18,520 --> 01:16:20,519
Speaker 1: to me, it's different in this way, like drag Race

1425
01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:22,880
Speaker 1: is something that in our in our little circle, is

1426
01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:25,400
Speaker 1: very celebrated and everyone and everyone watches him. So it's

1427
01:16:25,400 --> 01:16:28,360
Speaker 1: like for me to like drag Race doesn't feel like

1428
01:16:28,400 --> 01:16:32,000
Speaker 1: I'm claiming it. And then because Survivor was something that's

1429
01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:34,200
Speaker 1: been so I could only talk to a couple of

1430
01:16:34,200 --> 01:16:36,559
Speaker 1: people about for all these years. I'm sorry if I

1431
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:40,600
Speaker 1: start crying, but you thought, who does this? Bit is

1432
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:43,960
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, now it's publicly, so publicly and

1433
01:16:44,120 --> 01:16:51,160
Speaker 1: so enthusiastically, like for some thing that poked at something

1434
01:16:51,200 --> 01:16:55,160
Speaker 1: in me, Okay, and that happens. We're all human beings. Pat.

1435
01:16:55,360 --> 01:16:57,360
Speaker 1: I want to first of all, Matt, I want to

1436
01:16:57,400 --> 01:17:01,040
Speaker 1: say that I share, I share this, I share in

1437
01:17:01,080 --> 01:17:05,519
Speaker 1: this sort of um confounded nous around Pats sort of

1438
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:09,360
Speaker 1: I can't say, I can't say I understand still to this,

1439
01:17:09,439 --> 01:17:12,240
Speaker 1: to this moment, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on,

1440
01:17:12,280 --> 01:17:14,160
Speaker 1: hold on. And then I want to say, Pat, thank

1441
01:17:14,200 --> 01:17:17,360
Speaker 1: you so much for so cogently like putting that into words,

1442
01:17:17,439 --> 01:17:22,360
Speaker 1: and like, I'm but I gotta say, I understand this

1443
01:17:22,479 --> 01:17:25,840
Speaker 1: completely from Pat's point of view, and completely I see

1444
01:17:25,960 --> 01:17:27,479
Speaker 1: you have to understand this is the time when I,

1445
01:17:28,160 --> 01:17:31,960
Speaker 1: you know whatever, you guys had this huge platform, or

1446
01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:34,639
Speaker 1: you're getting to talk to heroes of mine. Of course

1447
01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:36,880
Speaker 1: there do you want to? Can I tell you something?

1448
01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:39,240
Speaker 1: I would? There was a part of me that was like,

1449
01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:41,720
Speaker 1: we should bring Pat into the part of the episode,

1450
01:17:42,320 --> 01:17:44,559
Speaker 1: and that would have been such a moment. But then

1451
01:17:44,680 --> 01:17:49,040
Speaker 1: when all my text works started going unresponded to, that's

1452
01:17:49,080 --> 01:17:52,160
Speaker 1: a lesson. Yeah, yes that was image. I understand that

1453
01:17:52,200 --> 01:17:55,360
Speaker 1: was a matorm But I'm messy and I'm imperfect, and

1454
01:17:55,560 --> 01:17:58,880
Speaker 1: I'm what house does this make it? What house does

1455
01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:01,000
Speaker 1: this make you? Should makes me a little bit? I

1456
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:02,680
Speaker 1: think I could see Bethany doing this. This is a

1457
01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:05,840
Speaker 1: little bit m Bethany Sonya sees an eight Jeeter brand,

1458
01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:09,360
Speaker 1: Tipsy girl, vodka girl, Oh yeah, I got you. This

1459
01:18:09,400 --> 01:18:11,640
Speaker 1: is a little bit of that screaming at This is

1460
01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:13,519
Speaker 1: me screaming at you, sending down to my elevator. You

1461
01:18:13,560 --> 01:18:17,320
Speaker 1: sobbing um because I because I called my thing tipsy girl,

1462
01:18:17,840 --> 01:18:21,560
Speaker 1: because he called you tipsy girl. But I am not expressing,

1463
01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:24,920
Speaker 1: um that I think I was correct. I'm just saying

1464
01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:29,080
Speaker 1: that that was probably where it was coming from. That's

1465
01:18:29,160 --> 01:18:31,280
Speaker 1: kind of an iconic way to say sorry, I am

1466
01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:35,800
Speaker 1: not expressing that I think I was correct. Let's see

1467
01:18:35,960 --> 01:18:39,000
Speaker 1: as as a fellow, as a fellow scorpio who could

1468
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:42,800
Speaker 1: be emeriti like I really I get this, thank you,

1469
01:18:43,240 --> 01:18:45,519
Speaker 1: And that's when and so helped would have another scrupio

1470
01:18:45,560 --> 01:18:47,800
Speaker 1: who could be murdered like around just the kind of

1471
01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:50,760
Speaker 1: cohense that you're a girl, You're not crazy. That's just

1472
01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:52,240
Speaker 1: what it is to be a scrupio who could be

1473
01:18:52,240 --> 01:18:55,560
Speaker 1: a merit of and Um and as me of Pisces

1474
01:18:55,560 --> 01:18:57,479
Speaker 1: who just wants to love you, know what I mean?

1475
01:18:57,560 --> 01:19:00,120
Speaker 1: Like it's so sometimes I just love too hard about you.

1476
01:19:00,240 --> 01:19:02,720
Speaker 1: I will say this about Matt Rogers. I do think

1477
01:19:02,720 --> 01:19:04,960
Speaker 1: you're very good at coming from a place of abundance

1478
01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:08,880
Speaker 1: and not feeling so much jealous. Like you never seem

1479
01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:10,840
Speaker 1: jealous or better, which is I think a skill that

1480
01:19:10,880 --> 01:19:14,960
Speaker 1: I have not mastered. You always seem interested in like um,

1481
01:19:15,160 --> 01:19:17,960
Speaker 1: you never seem territorial territorial. You always seem like you

1482
01:19:17,960 --> 01:19:21,920
Speaker 1: want to lift lift the tides which I don't want

1483
01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:25,479
Speaker 1: to do for me. For me, I let fear come

1484
01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:27,400
Speaker 1: in and I say, you have some I don't have

1485
01:19:27,560 --> 01:19:29,720
Speaker 1: as much. You know what I mean? But Pat, what

1486
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:32,880
Speaker 1: you should know and I'm gonna I'm gonna throw a

1487
01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:36,200
Speaker 1: superlative out there. But what Pat should now is that

1488
01:19:37,240 --> 01:19:43,040
Speaker 1: despite irrespective of that jealous instinct, I think anyone would

1489
01:19:43,080 --> 01:19:45,400
Speaker 1: want to hear what you have to say about anything,

1490
01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:50,679
Speaker 1: which is why, which is why I understand, and that's

1491
01:19:50,680 --> 01:19:52,400
Speaker 1: where this is coming from her, Like I want to

1492
01:19:52,439 --> 01:19:55,679
Speaker 1: know what Pat thinks. I know, I don't know what

1493
01:19:55,960 --> 01:19:59,040
Speaker 1: what I know what you guys don't. Baby, you don't

1494
01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:01,519
Speaker 1: have to explain it any further. I think you've I

1495
01:20:01,560 --> 01:20:03,600
Speaker 1: think you've explained it. I wish I could build a

1496
01:20:03,640 --> 01:20:06,479
Speaker 1: machine and go back in time, but I can't build

1497
01:20:06,479 --> 01:20:10,560
Speaker 1: a machine. And as said, and now we said it,

1498
01:20:10,920 --> 01:20:12,880
Speaker 1: but I and now we've said it, and I if

1499
01:20:12,920 --> 01:20:14,840
Speaker 1: I could build a machine, I would, but I can't

1500
01:20:14,840 --> 01:20:16,439
Speaker 1: build a machine. And if I could, I wouldn't want

1501
01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:19,840
Speaker 1: to because life is beautiful as it happens, and the

1502
01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:24,679
Speaker 1: book is being written every second, preach sister, now before

1503
01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:26,479
Speaker 1: we move on, I don't think so, honey, we say

1504
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:30,360
Speaker 1: that I need to know you as our Gray's Anatomy

1505
01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:34,280
Speaker 1: Last Culture Reasons correspondent. What is going on? We know

1506
01:20:34,400 --> 01:20:37,240
Speaker 1: that since some ship went down. Yes, Um, wait, so

1507
01:20:37,479 --> 01:20:39,639
Speaker 1: I'm actually a bad correspondent. I'm bad at my full

1508
01:20:39,680 --> 01:20:41,639
Speaker 1: time job, which these which I do get paid two

1509
01:20:42,680 --> 01:20:44,800
Speaker 1: dollars a year or four. I'm on salary at laws

1510
01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:47,439
Speaker 1: colot Races. I get two dollars a year or two

1511
01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:52,840
Speaker 1: to correspond on Grays. Money we have and I, um,

1512
01:20:52,880 --> 01:20:56,160
Speaker 1: you know, haven't really finished the premieria and I go

1513
01:20:56,280 --> 01:20:58,680
Speaker 1: through this with Grace. Shout out to one of the

1514
01:20:58,720 --> 01:21:02,559
Speaker 1: funniest people I've met recently, Ariel Cartland. If she's listening,

1515
01:21:02,560 --> 01:21:05,920
Speaker 1: I'm show. If she'll listen, you guys are my Ariel curls.

1516
01:21:06,040 --> 01:21:10,920
Speaker 1: She's so funny and she um told me she's also

1517
01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:13,000
Speaker 1: current on Grays and she's the one who told me this.

1518
01:21:13,080 --> 01:21:17,639
Speaker 1: But on Greatest Twitter there was um talk and spoiler alert.

1519
01:21:17,640 --> 01:21:20,000
Speaker 1: If you don't want even loose spoilers, shut your ears

1520
01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:26,240
Speaker 1: now and bowen. That's how you do it. And so

1521
01:21:26,240 --> 01:21:29,640
Speaker 1: so there's a list of characters that do have I

1522
01:21:29,640 --> 01:21:33,080
Speaker 1: I am dB credits this season the mind blowing. These

1523
01:21:33,160 --> 01:21:39,320
Speaker 1: characters include Izzy Stevens, George R O'Malley Adele. And by

1524
01:21:39,360 --> 01:21:41,439
Speaker 1: the way, when Ariel's I mean this list, I thought

1525
01:21:41,680 --> 01:21:43,479
Speaker 1: I was thinking of Adele the singer and I was

1526
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:48,360
Speaker 1: like wow. And I was like wow, an amazing stunt

1527
01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:53,800
Speaker 1: casting and that would be a great patient. I could

1528
01:21:53,800 --> 01:21:58,200
Speaker 1: see Grays, I could see Adele coming in as like

1529
01:21:58,280 --> 01:22:00,800
Speaker 1: herself essentially, like as a big singer in the world,

1530
01:22:00,840 --> 01:22:03,360
Speaker 1: and like, yeah, it's just to perform like rote surgery

1531
01:22:03,400 --> 01:22:06,040
Speaker 1: on her. You know what I mean. Can't you see

1532
01:22:06,040 --> 01:22:10,880
Speaker 1: that they've done that for sure? But she would say

1533
01:22:11,120 --> 01:22:13,439
Speaker 1: I think that they did an episode where I think

1534
01:22:13,439 --> 01:22:16,920
Speaker 1: it was Derek it might have been his sister was

1535
01:22:17,120 --> 01:22:19,080
Speaker 1: had to do a brain surgery on someone who loved

1536
01:22:19,120 --> 01:22:22,559
Speaker 1: to play guitar, and the person didn't want him to

1537
01:22:22,600 --> 01:22:25,000
Speaker 1: clip out the piece of his brain that played guitar,

1538
01:22:25,400 --> 01:22:28,400
Speaker 1: So Derek hadham be awake and playing guitar the whole

1539
01:22:28,439 --> 01:22:33,360
Speaker 1: time he was operating on his brain. There ridiculous he

1540
01:22:33,400 --> 01:22:36,400
Speaker 1: would know not but not to cut out. Um. It's

1541
01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:40,479
Speaker 1: so it is a stock narrative where it's like a

1542
01:22:40,520 --> 01:22:42,960
Speaker 1: performer comes in that the surgeon like Burke, operated on

1543
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:45,679
Speaker 1: a on a on like a horn on a sax player,

1544
01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:49,320
Speaker 1: a trumpet player that he loved she had operate on. Yeah. Yeah,

1545
01:22:49,400 --> 01:22:52,400
Speaker 1: it's a trope within grades of this, like a very

1546
01:22:52,479 --> 01:22:55,640
Speaker 1: interesting way of raising the stakes, I will say of surgery,

1547
01:22:55,880 --> 01:22:59,439
Speaker 1: which already some would say of high stakes. High I

1548
01:22:59,479 --> 01:23:01,840
Speaker 1: think you have seen to stop with the exceptionalism. Guess

1549
01:23:01,880 --> 01:23:04,799
Speaker 1: guess what if someone is in a world class saxophone player,

1550
01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:11,160
Speaker 1: fair hands still matter, absolutely matter. I'll say that, say

1551
01:23:11,200 --> 01:23:15,360
Speaker 1: that that. Wait, okay, so okay, So we've Izzy George Adele,

1552
01:23:15,960 --> 01:23:22,400
Speaker 1: Callie Arizona, Um, I've heard Christina Christina. Christina was the

1553
01:23:22,479 --> 01:23:26,560
Speaker 1: other huge one. Basically, what this fear is right, that

1554
01:23:26,600 --> 01:23:28,800
Speaker 1: they're going to try to do zoom hang out or

1555
01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:31,640
Speaker 1: something that they're gonna it's gonna be a zoom from

1556
01:23:31,720 --> 01:23:35,960
Speaker 1: Christina the other fear. They did that with Christina though,

1557
01:23:35,960 --> 01:23:37,719
Speaker 1: where she was like and she was she was already

1558
01:23:37,720 --> 01:23:40,200
Speaker 1: in another hospital and and her and Meredith for facetiming

1559
01:23:40,200 --> 01:23:41,719
Speaker 1: all the time. Yes, they've done that. And they also

1560
01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:44,599
Speaker 1: did a thing where Christina was in a cold city

1561
01:23:44,720 --> 01:23:47,719
Speaker 1: with them the actor who played Mr. Finnian boy Meat's World,

1562
01:23:48,120 --> 01:23:50,640
Speaker 1: and she um only could talk to Mary Do on

1563
01:23:50,680 --> 01:23:53,880
Speaker 1: the phone for a few episodes. Yes, that's right, that's right.

1564
01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:56,600
Speaker 1: That was before she burned left, So it's interesting. I

1565
01:23:56,600 --> 01:23:59,120
Speaker 1: mean I think that what the question is, are they

1566
01:23:59,160 --> 01:24:02,200
Speaker 1: saying these what they end times? Like, is um Grace

1567
01:24:02,360 --> 01:24:06,320
Speaker 1: ending Katherine? Yeah, already talking about Kine coming back because

1568
01:24:06,320 --> 01:24:10,000
Speaker 1: I've always would be huge bore. I've always feld Grace's sexist.

1569
01:24:10,040 --> 01:24:12,400
Speaker 1: Because if we're gonna bring back Derek, who is bad

1570
01:24:12,479 --> 01:24:14,160
Speaker 1: at who is bad on set, if we're going to

1571
01:24:14,240 --> 01:24:17,439
Speaker 1: bring back Isaiah who is bad on set and said fag, like,

1572
01:24:17,520 --> 01:24:20,040
Speaker 1: could we have to them bring back is the unfortunately

1573
01:24:20,080 --> 01:24:23,439
Speaker 1: who ultimately had an annoying mom and never said fag.

1574
01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:27,000
Speaker 1: I never said fat to anyone. I agree with you wholeheartedly.

1575
01:24:27,160 --> 01:24:28,960
Speaker 1: I think I would love to see Katherine Heigel as

1576
01:24:28,960 --> 01:24:31,360
Speaker 1: Izzy back playing her iconic character. I mean that is

1577
01:24:31,360 --> 01:24:33,439
Speaker 1: how we all fell in love with her, and many

1578
01:24:33,479 --> 01:24:35,200
Speaker 1: of us are still in love with Katherine Heigel, and

1579
01:24:35,200 --> 01:24:36,800
Speaker 1: we would like we will wish the best for her.

1580
01:24:37,040 --> 01:24:39,320
Speaker 1: I just would love. Yes, we wish that we ultimately

1581
01:24:39,360 --> 01:24:42,240
Speaker 1: whatever she was going through during that time in her life, Um,

1582
01:24:42,240 --> 01:24:43,840
Speaker 1: we wish the best for her. Some of us have

1583
01:24:43,960 --> 01:24:46,400
Speaker 1: like bitchy years, you know what I mean, Like I

1584
01:24:46,439 --> 01:24:49,879
Speaker 1: think my bitchy years were like my like early twenties.

1585
01:24:49,920 --> 01:24:52,280
Speaker 1: I think we're my like bitchy years, right, and my

1586
01:24:52,360 --> 01:24:56,240
Speaker 1: bitchy years were definitely my mid to late wouldn't you agree, Well,

1587
01:24:56,360 --> 01:24:59,439
Speaker 1: you weren't being a bitch, really, I just thought you,

1588
01:24:59,520 --> 01:25:01,720
Speaker 1: and you know what, you probably were being a bit

1589
01:25:01,880 --> 01:25:04,600
Speaker 1: too people. You weren't being abed. I wasn't being a

1590
01:25:04,640 --> 01:25:14,639
Speaker 1: bit to you. By definitely was being a bit to people. Y'all.

1591
01:25:14,680 --> 01:25:18,400
Speaker 1: We are transitioning into I don't think so, honey. This

1592
01:25:18,479 --> 01:25:21,000
Speaker 1: is the segment which is a sixty second segment where

1593
01:25:21,040 --> 01:25:24,479
Speaker 1: we take something and you know, rail against it in

1594
01:25:24,600 --> 01:25:28,120
Speaker 1: pop culture, and we sort of go hashtag off as

1595
01:25:28,200 --> 01:25:30,640
Speaker 1: they say, and it makes that per second cure. I

1596
01:25:30,680 --> 01:25:33,000
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. So I am ready with my

1597
01:25:33,040 --> 01:25:36,599
Speaker 1: I don't thinks. Okay, So this is Matt Rodgers and

1598
01:25:36,960 --> 01:25:38,800
Speaker 1: he has his I don't think so, honey, and his

1599
01:25:38,880 --> 01:25:42,679
Speaker 1: time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Candice Owens

1600
01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:47,200
Speaker 1: and all the fucking fools saying that Harry Styles is

1601
01:25:47,439 --> 01:25:51,920
Speaker 1: not representing masculinity when he wears a goddamn gower and which,

1602
01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:54,360
Speaker 1: let me just say, by the way, he looks stunning,

1603
01:25:54,760 --> 01:25:56,840
Speaker 1: and let me just list a few people who have

1604
01:25:57,200 --> 01:26:00,400
Speaker 1: done androgyny in the past. Do your fucking home. How

1605
01:26:00,400 --> 01:26:03,960
Speaker 1: about Ms Prince? How about Ms David Bowie? Bitch? How

1606
01:26:03,960 --> 01:26:07,479
Speaker 1: about Adam Lambert? How about all these people, regardless of

1607
01:26:07,560 --> 01:26:10,840
Speaker 1: their sexual orientations, who have dressed their gender band And

1608
01:26:10,920 --> 01:26:13,800
Speaker 1: this is a part of not only pop culture and

1609
01:26:13,800 --> 01:26:17,320
Speaker 1: pop music, but rock music. It says fuck you to anything.

1610
01:26:17,680 --> 01:26:19,920
Speaker 1: So I don't think so, honey, Candice Owens. And I

1611
01:26:19,960 --> 01:26:22,240
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey, Ben Shapiro, as if we should

1612
01:26:22,240 --> 01:26:24,479
Speaker 1: care what either of you have to say. By the way,

1613
01:26:24,520 --> 01:26:27,040
Speaker 1: I don't think the honey Ben Shapiro, who like bragged

1614
01:26:27,120 --> 01:26:28,960
Speaker 1: last year about not being able to give it, get

1615
01:26:28,960 --> 01:26:30,840
Speaker 1: his wife wet. And now you're going to be the

1616
01:26:30,840 --> 01:26:34,040
Speaker 1: authority on what's fucking masculine, Get the funk out of here.

1617
01:26:34,200 --> 01:26:36,040
Speaker 1: And also I don't think so any Candy Cohen. Stop

1618
01:26:36,080 --> 01:26:40,640
Speaker 1: complaining conflating socialism in quotes with the downfall of masculinely

1619
01:26:40,680 --> 01:26:43,559
Speaker 1: shut up, you're so stupid. And that's one minute. Her

1620
01:26:43,600 --> 01:26:49,320
Speaker 1: name is now henceforth Candy Cohen, no longer Candice away Cohen.

1621
01:26:52,080 --> 01:26:54,680
Speaker 1: Let me tell you something, Candy Cohen. I remember I

1622
01:26:54,720 --> 01:26:56,400
Speaker 1: heard Candy and a random we thought you were changing

1623
01:26:56,520 --> 01:26:59,760
Speaker 1: Rosten doing Candy Burris. No, but I have done, I

1624
01:27:00,040 --> 01:27:01,840
Speaker 1: really have done. I don't think so, honey, Candy borrows

1625
01:27:01,840 --> 01:27:04,479
Speaker 1: in the past. Yeah, because I didn't think. I didn't think.

1626
01:27:04,800 --> 01:27:06,479
Speaker 1: I didn't think she should have had another kid when

1627
01:27:06,479 --> 01:27:10,519
Speaker 1: her daughters were like, please don't. Um. But anyway, but

1628
01:27:10,520 --> 01:27:13,160
Speaker 1: it's also none of my fucking business. Um. But yeah,

1629
01:27:13,240 --> 01:27:16,160
Speaker 1: I couldn't stand all this stuff, the controversy about like

1630
01:27:16,520 --> 01:27:19,840
Speaker 1: Harry Style looking stunning, like wearing whatever the funk he wants.

1631
01:27:19,840 --> 01:27:21,400
Speaker 1: And you know who doesn't give a funk about this

1632
01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:24,640
Speaker 1: Harry Styles, So no one's no one's gonna bother him.

1633
01:27:24,840 --> 01:27:27,880
Speaker 1: He does, he's so ununaffected by this. But that's the

1634
01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:30,480
Speaker 1: thing too, It's like, wait, this is not a new conversation,

1635
01:27:30,520 --> 01:27:34,800
Speaker 1: and it's just like, I don't know, maybe maybe just

1636
01:27:34,840 --> 01:27:37,360
Speaker 1: to connect the theme to Potomac, it's just sort of

1637
01:27:37,760 --> 01:27:40,880
Speaker 1: ripping the sutures of old wounds, wouldn't you say? I

1638
01:27:41,720 --> 01:27:43,920
Speaker 1: think that? Um, you know, I think this is the

1639
01:27:44,200 --> 01:27:46,479
Speaker 1: prophecy being fulfilled. I think this is the third of

1640
01:27:46,479 --> 01:27:49,240
Speaker 1: a trilogy of the dress scandals. I think we had

1641
01:27:49,280 --> 01:27:52,360
Speaker 1: Monica Lewinsky. I think we had what color is that dress.

1642
01:27:52,439 --> 01:27:54,840
Speaker 1: I think now we have our third dress scandal, and

1643
01:27:54,920 --> 01:27:57,840
Speaker 1: I think I think there's a narrative thread there, and

1644
01:27:57,880 --> 01:28:01,360
Speaker 1: I think this random is as satisfying ending up if

1645
01:28:01,479 --> 01:28:05,400
Speaker 1: I agree. It feels like there's finally um. It feels

1646
01:28:05,439 --> 01:28:07,439
Speaker 1: like there was so much moral ambiguity and what colors

1647
01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:09,720
Speaker 1: address right? That was the theme. It was like who's right,

1648
01:28:09,760 --> 01:28:15,240
Speaker 1: who's wrong, moral relativism and now nation, and then in

1649
01:28:15,360 --> 01:28:18,640
Speaker 1: Monica felt like there wasn't moral relative It felt like

1650
01:28:18,680 --> 01:28:21,120
Speaker 1: it was very moral, but like on the wrong side,

1651
01:28:21,160 --> 01:28:24,120
Speaker 1: like we all burned this woman down the steak and

1652
01:28:24,160 --> 01:28:26,720
Speaker 1: then everyone was wrong and she was on the right

1653
01:28:26,920 --> 01:28:28,920
Speaker 1: of that dress kandal, and now this dress kinda we're

1654
01:28:28,920 --> 01:28:35,200
Speaker 1: finally all coming together and saying no. Candice burus No,

1655
01:28:38,640 --> 01:28:40,679
Speaker 1: it's actually a great forgot her name, so I thought

1656
01:28:40,720 --> 01:28:43,040
Speaker 1: she was she was. She started as Candice Candison, she

1657
01:28:43,120 --> 01:28:47,080
Speaker 1: became Candy Cohen, and then now she's Candice burs Um.

1658
01:28:47,160 --> 01:28:49,720
Speaker 1: So I sort of loved like taking her own name

1659
01:28:49,760 --> 01:28:51,920
Speaker 1: away from her because she's a damn fool. That's a

1660
01:28:51,920 --> 01:28:57,320
Speaker 1: new trilogy that's very satisfying in its conclusion. I've known

1661
01:28:57,360 --> 01:28:59,080
Speaker 1: for years there would be another dress thing by the

1662
01:28:59,120 --> 01:29:06,759
Speaker 1: way I knew, you knew very nostredamus in that way.

1663
01:29:06,840 --> 01:29:10,000
Speaker 1: And honestly, that's why Pat is able to say something.

1664
01:29:10,160 --> 01:29:14,280
Speaker 1: And I'm bethany, period and just and I we have

1665
01:29:14,439 --> 01:29:18,040
Speaker 1: to trust um. Okay, So, Bowen Yang, it's time for

1666
01:29:18,080 --> 01:29:19,519
Speaker 1: your I don't think so, honey, Do you have it?

1667
01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:22,719
Speaker 1: I do? I do? All right? Well, that being the case,

1668
01:29:23,080 --> 01:29:25,000
Speaker 1: Bowen Yang's, I don't think so, honey, of your time

1669
01:29:25,240 --> 01:29:29,200
Speaker 1: starts now. I don't think so, honey. Diptique employees the

1670
01:29:29,240 --> 01:29:33,040
Speaker 1: world over, I've got to several Diptique stores all across

1671
01:29:33,080 --> 01:29:40,560
Speaker 1: the world New York, Brooklyn, Los Angeles, Charles de gaul, Airport, Honey,

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01:29:40,640 --> 01:29:43,200
Speaker 1: and every employee I've met there has been sort of

1673
01:29:43,320 --> 01:29:45,880
Speaker 1: judgmental in some way, in some form, And I don't

1674
01:29:45,920 --> 01:29:48,280
Speaker 1: think that's a valuable part of the culture. That is

1675
01:29:48,320 --> 01:29:49,479
Speaker 1: not part of that should not be part of the

1676
01:29:49,520 --> 01:29:51,960
Speaker 1: value proposition. I do not find value in buying a

1677
01:29:52,000 --> 01:29:54,639
Speaker 1: candle from someone who was rude to me at the store.

1678
01:29:56,160 --> 01:29:59,880
Speaker 1: I want to buy my you know, Jaz jas Men,

1679
01:30:00,320 --> 01:30:05,280
Speaker 1: my footed Boa, my bay even iconically, and I want

1680
01:30:05,360 --> 01:30:08,840
Speaker 1: to buy it and have it be a pleasant retail experience.

1681
01:30:09,200 --> 01:30:12,479
Speaker 1: I am risking my life in your store in these times,

1682
01:30:12,680 --> 01:30:15,640
Speaker 1: and for you to still uphold that culture is toxic

1683
01:30:15,760 --> 01:30:20,640
Speaker 1: and yes, poisonous. I know, I'm I look, I'm a synonymtan,

1684
01:30:21,439 --> 01:30:24,400
Speaker 1: but I think I think it's worth emphasizing that point

1685
01:30:24,400 --> 01:30:27,639
Speaker 1: that you were all poisonous, poisonous people. And that's one minute.

1686
01:30:27,880 --> 01:30:32,439
Speaker 1: All employees of diptiq have now been called poisonous. What is?

1687
01:30:32,760 --> 01:30:34,400
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna speak for a lot of people

1688
01:30:34,400 --> 01:30:38,679
Speaker 1: out there when I ask what is, I'm so relieved

1689
01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:40,920
Speaker 1: I'm the only one who doesn't know what they're. Um,

1690
01:30:41,160 --> 01:30:43,680
Speaker 1: they're a parfume Marie there. They make candles. They make

1691
01:30:43,800 --> 01:30:48,040
Speaker 1: lovely candles, iconic candles, even um. And I've I've really

1692
01:30:48,120 --> 01:30:51,760
Speaker 1: been on a candles kick candle. You know, I tried to.

1693
01:30:52,160 --> 01:30:56,840
Speaker 1: You know, Labo does a different We know that. On

1694
01:30:57,040 --> 01:31:01,360
Speaker 1: recommendation of my therapist, I went into Lavo to purchase

1695
01:31:01,439 --> 01:31:06,280
Speaker 1: the um birthday gives for my sexual partner last year

1696
01:31:06,680 --> 01:31:09,280
Speaker 1: or my same sex sexual partner NOAs and I walked

1697
01:31:09,280 --> 01:31:10,960
Speaker 1: in and it was also for me, it's just so

1698
01:31:11,080 --> 01:31:13,960
Speaker 1: judgment I walk and I go, these are some of

1699
01:31:14,000 --> 01:31:16,160
Speaker 1: the sense that he likes. Can you help me pick

1700
01:31:16,160 --> 01:31:18,479
Speaker 1: a gift? And he was like, um, I actually would

1701
01:31:18,520 --> 01:31:21,599
Speaker 1: never ever recommend doing that because you never know how

1702
01:31:21,640 --> 01:31:23,760
Speaker 1: it's in a combined with his body chemistry, and it

1703
01:31:23,800 --> 01:31:25,559
Speaker 1: could be really wrong. You could be really wrong if

1704
01:31:25,600 --> 01:31:28,240
Speaker 1: you try to guess. And so I was like, okay, well,

1705
01:31:28,280 --> 01:31:30,080
Speaker 1: I just want to give him something. It's like I've

1706
01:31:30,080 --> 01:31:31,680
Speaker 1: been gamed for like six months. I just want to

1707
01:31:31,680 --> 01:31:33,360
Speaker 1: give him a gift. And he's like, I just can't

1708
01:31:33,400 --> 01:31:36,519
Speaker 1: get conscious. Um, he couldn't make a recommendation at the

1709
01:31:36,520 --> 01:31:39,120
Speaker 1: old story worked. So he literally was like I had

1710
01:31:39,120 --> 01:31:41,040
Speaker 1: to get like a sampler platter of like a bunch

1711
01:31:41,080 --> 01:31:43,160
Speaker 1: of little different ones and then I gave it. My

1712
01:31:43,160 --> 01:31:45,360
Speaker 1: work was like, now has like eight drops of like

1713
01:31:45,560 --> 01:31:51,800
Speaker 1: thirty different Did you get that lit labo employees name? No?

1714
01:31:52,000 --> 01:31:53,840
Speaker 1: I didn't, but I wish I did. You should have,

1715
01:31:53,880 --> 01:31:56,680
Speaker 1: because one of Bowen's favorite things is to name employees

1716
01:31:56,720 --> 01:32:00,400
Speaker 1: that have wronged him by name on the pod. No,

1717
01:32:00,560 --> 01:32:05,000
Speaker 1: I don't. You've You've done it several times once my

1718
01:32:05,120 --> 01:32:08,120
Speaker 1: last episode that I was here. Yes, you did it

1719
01:32:08,160 --> 01:32:13,640
Speaker 1: about a ski person Todd, But but that and that

1720
01:32:13,720 --> 01:32:15,479
Speaker 1: I don't think I think so, honey. It was the

1721
01:32:15,520 --> 01:32:17,679
Speaker 1: first time I ever said seek treatment because I said

1722
01:32:17,720 --> 01:32:21,880
Speaker 1: C treatment to that episode. That episode was called C Treatment. Yeah, um,

1723
01:32:22,479 --> 01:32:27,519
Speaker 1: I interesting where you got to start. I know, I

1724
01:32:27,840 --> 01:32:30,320
Speaker 1: don't want this narrative to hold where I am using

1725
01:32:30,320 --> 01:32:32,639
Speaker 1: the podcast as the way to air out my my. Oh,

1726
01:32:32,680 --> 01:32:36,439
Speaker 1: then you should behave the way you behave. No, I'm

1727
01:32:36,520 --> 01:32:40,120
Speaker 1: I'm not misbehaving when I go buy these things in misbehavior?

1728
01:32:40,840 --> 01:32:46,479
Speaker 1: Who also that that's that's horrid. Body chemistry is a lie.

1729
01:32:46,640 --> 01:32:48,920
Speaker 1: It's a lie. It's an it's a lie that is

1730
01:32:48,920 --> 01:32:53,439
Speaker 1: being made up by perfumer ees like it'll it'll smell

1731
01:32:53,479 --> 01:32:56,320
Speaker 1: the same on anybody. I recommended Madi Fragrance that I love,

1732
01:32:56,360 --> 01:32:57,840
Speaker 1: and then he loved it too. That's what I like,

1733
01:32:58,520 --> 01:33:01,040
Speaker 1: and I like it to come into your shop, and

1734
01:33:01,040 --> 01:33:04,040
Speaker 1: so says, can you please just help me pick one out?

1735
01:33:04,160 --> 01:33:06,600
Speaker 1: It's like just help them pick one out, you know

1736
01:33:06,640 --> 01:33:12,240
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like just to me, he shields down shield. However,

1737
01:33:12,320 --> 01:33:14,720
Speaker 1: this guy was I think he had something in it

1738
01:33:14,800 --> 01:33:16,800
Speaker 1: for you. And I even did the thing where I

1739
01:33:16,880 --> 01:33:18,720
Speaker 1: was like, it's for my boyfriends. I could know he

1740
01:33:18,760 --> 01:33:20,200
Speaker 1: was gay, and I thought that would kind of establish

1741
01:33:20,280 --> 01:33:23,000
Speaker 1: some sort of like camaraderie. Started a turf wars what

1742
01:33:23,040 --> 01:33:25,240
Speaker 1: you started? Yeah, I started a huge turf war, and

1743
01:33:25,240 --> 01:33:27,599
Speaker 1: it kind of felt almost like I wasn't the kind

1744
01:33:27,680 --> 01:33:29,519
Speaker 1: of gay he wanted his store because I had a

1745
01:33:29,520 --> 01:33:32,960
Speaker 1: backpack on. You need to tell him, you know what

1746
01:33:33,040 --> 01:33:35,840
Speaker 1: to find normal? I honestly to find normal? Is it

1747
01:33:35,920 --> 01:33:38,200
Speaker 1: a slang as a messenger back? Is it a total

1748
01:33:38,720 --> 01:33:41,559
Speaker 1: because guess what, I used a backpackground this town exactly.

1749
01:33:41,880 --> 01:33:44,600
Speaker 1: And that doesn't make me any worse than you, Mr Lelabo,

1750
01:33:44,720 --> 01:33:47,320
Speaker 1: as i'll call you. Well, he's already sort of popping off.

1751
01:33:47,400 --> 01:33:50,479
Speaker 1: So we're gonna transition from this directly into Pat Regan's

1752
01:33:50,479 --> 01:33:53,719
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey. Now you you're sort of um,

1753
01:33:54,200 --> 01:33:56,639
Speaker 1: you're sort of a renowned I don't think so honey,

1754
01:33:56,720 --> 01:33:59,360
Speaker 1: or you did win culture war, but I do always

1755
01:33:59,360 --> 01:34:02,759
Speaker 1: say that my um. I've retired officially and this no longer.

1756
01:34:02,800 --> 01:34:05,200
Speaker 1: It doesn't affect my legacy. These are all exhibitions now,

1757
01:34:05,439 --> 01:34:08,840
Speaker 1: so it really in the master class that is you

1758
01:34:09,080 --> 01:34:10,880
Speaker 1: in the entertainment industry, this is not a part of

1759
01:34:10,880 --> 01:34:14,240
Speaker 1: that is really, this won't be included and this won't

1760
01:34:14,240 --> 01:34:16,639
Speaker 1: be reflected in my rate that I have received from

1761
01:34:16,680 --> 01:34:19,760
Speaker 1: master class. You are you are the Nicki Minlage. If

1762
01:34:19,800 --> 01:34:22,479
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. You've technically retired, but you

1763
01:34:22,520 --> 01:34:25,599
Speaker 1: will your output will still be somewhat consistent. Okay, even

1764
01:34:25,680 --> 01:34:29,599
Speaker 1: even even more so. All this being said, it's time

1765
01:34:29,640 --> 01:34:32,000
Speaker 1: for Pat Reagans. I don't think so, honey, and his

1766
01:34:32,160 --> 01:34:37,440
Speaker 1: time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Apple the company,

1767
01:34:37,560 --> 01:34:40,599
Speaker 1: it's a classic for a reason. They suck. They literally

1768
01:34:40,680 --> 01:34:43,360
Speaker 1: want their customers to die, gruesome, bloody death. That's how

1769
01:34:43,439 --> 01:34:47,080
Speaker 1: much they abhorre their customers. They get away with this

1770
01:34:47,200 --> 01:34:49,000
Speaker 1: like they get away with a certain like thing of

1771
01:34:49,080 --> 01:34:51,120
Speaker 1: not being quite as bad as Amazon. But it's like,

1772
01:34:51,560 --> 01:34:54,040
Speaker 1: you suck so much and you better get down your ass.

1773
01:34:54,040 --> 01:34:57,280
Speaker 1: And thank god Jeffrey Bagels existing, which just stracks everyone.

1774
01:34:57,439 --> 01:34:59,120
Speaker 1: I'm coming for you, Apple, because I'll tell you what

1775
01:34:59,120 --> 01:35:02,400
Speaker 1: happened is on a election night, I was moving a

1776
01:35:02,439 --> 01:35:05,920
Speaker 1: trusser with my same sex sexual part, sat down for

1777
01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:09,519
Speaker 1: one single second on my fifteen inch MacBook Pro computer

1778
01:35:09,640 --> 01:35:12,519
Speaker 1: and l a screen broke. And it was the one

1779
01:35:12,600 --> 01:35:15,280
Speaker 1: year anniversary of when I got that computer. So yes,

1780
01:35:15,320 --> 01:35:17,960
Speaker 1: it was the day my warranty ran out. But I

1781
01:35:17,960 --> 01:35:20,760
Speaker 1: will say every single person and Apple I've talked to

1782
01:35:20,840 --> 01:35:22,720
Speaker 1: has been unhelpful, except for the men and women who

1783
01:35:22,720 --> 01:35:25,000
Speaker 1: work in those stories where I celebrate those geniuses I love.

1784
01:35:25,200 --> 01:35:27,760
Speaker 1: Everybody will say I sent my, I sent my I

1785
01:35:27,800 --> 01:35:30,320
Speaker 1: sent them my computers. I still haven't checked it in.

1786
01:35:30,680 --> 01:35:32,760
Speaker 1: Still haven't have my computer. I haven't checked it in.

1787
01:35:33,320 --> 01:35:37,240
Speaker 1: And then I don't think so. Honey, Apple, the company jobs.

1788
01:35:37,360 --> 01:35:39,479
Speaker 1: You can take your turtlenecks and shove them like the

1789
01:35:39,800 --> 01:35:46,679
Speaker 1: ass rest in power, power, first power to Steve Johnson.

1790
01:35:46,720 --> 01:35:50,519
Speaker 1: Who else did I at that one? This episode? I

1791
01:35:50,640 --> 01:35:52,800
Speaker 1: told someone to rest in power? Earlier on I don't

1792
01:35:52,840 --> 01:35:57,960
Speaker 1: know what's no, No, we'st crave and what's crave? And sorry, man,

1793
01:35:59,360 --> 01:36:01,439
Speaker 1: we have to we have to really, we have to

1794
01:36:01,479 --> 01:36:03,280
Speaker 1: sort of like do an episode soon which is who's

1795
01:36:03,320 --> 01:36:05,280
Speaker 1: dead who's not? Because we've said so many people that

1796
01:36:05,280 --> 01:36:09,760
Speaker 1: were that are dead that are not dead. Yeah yeah, wait,

1797
01:36:09,920 --> 01:36:12,920
Speaker 1: but well, first of all, can we say number one, Apple,

1798
01:36:13,000 --> 01:36:16,200
Speaker 1: the company found dead. Number two, that sucks for all

1799
01:36:16,240 --> 01:36:18,680
Speaker 1: your subscribers on your master class that wasn't part of it,

1800
01:36:18,680 --> 01:36:20,280
Speaker 1: because I think it would have been a worthy thing.

1801
01:36:20,800 --> 01:36:23,519
Speaker 1: Number three, I have a question for both of you. Yeah,

1802
01:36:23,760 --> 01:36:25,680
Speaker 1: have you well not really for Bowen since he has

1803
01:36:25,720 --> 01:36:29,840
Speaker 1: a twelve, but Patrick has your phone started to sort

1804
01:36:29,880 --> 01:36:33,360
Speaker 1: of like act weird. By the way, first of all, Bowen,

1805
01:36:33,439 --> 01:36:40,559
Speaker 1: if you have a twelve year centterest, thank you start

1806
01:36:40,600 --> 01:36:44,400
Speaker 1: acting weird. This is what this is what happens every

1807
01:36:44,479 --> 01:36:47,120
Speaker 1: year with the new with the new os. Well, it's

1808
01:36:47,120 --> 01:36:49,080
Speaker 1: happening again. This year is no different. We can go

1809
01:36:50,439 --> 01:36:52,760
Speaker 1: I have ten are. For the longest time, I had

1810
01:36:52,880 --> 01:36:55,320
Speaker 1: sc between the five and sex. It was part of

1811
01:36:55,320 --> 01:36:58,960
Speaker 1: my brand, and then I finally last summer made the choice.

1812
01:36:59,000 --> 01:37:00,880
Speaker 1: I'm really happy you're out of that stage of your life.

1813
01:37:01,240 --> 01:37:03,600
Speaker 1: But it was I'm hardened to hear that. It's not

1814
01:37:03,680 --> 01:37:06,040
Speaker 1: just me. That's sort of whenever I'm texting, it's like

1815
01:37:06,080 --> 01:37:08,280
Speaker 1: the letters don't show up and like, oh no, that's

1816
01:37:08,320 --> 01:37:10,479
Speaker 1: been happening for me too. Yeah, it's just the Apple

1817
01:37:10,600 --> 01:37:14,720
Speaker 1: needs to like just you have enough money, like just

1818
01:37:15,120 --> 01:37:17,280
Speaker 1: let us have our products, and like they try to

1819
01:37:17,320 --> 01:37:20,120
Speaker 1: capture you for life long, like it's impossible. Well they have,

1820
01:37:20,520 --> 01:37:23,559
Speaker 1: they have. It's a monopoly. It's not okay. There needs

1821
01:37:23,600 --> 01:37:26,519
Speaker 1: to be fair. There needs to be fair competition in

1822
01:37:26,520 --> 01:37:29,920
Speaker 1: this space. And that's why I'm launching and electronics and

1823
01:37:30,520 --> 01:37:36,040
Speaker 1: computer brand and called fair Fight, And it's going to

1824
01:37:36,040 --> 01:37:39,080
Speaker 1: be completely run by stupid gays. You don't know computers,

1825
01:37:39,880 --> 01:37:43,400
Speaker 1: and we together will build a new world that is

1826
01:37:43,439 --> 01:37:51,160
Speaker 1: collectivist at its finest. Collectivism is at its finesta. It's

1827
01:37:51,160 --> 01:37:53,120
Speaker 1: just like the way Apples dreaming with this computer is

1828
01:37:53,160 --> 01:37:57,360
Speaker 1: like slit. It really just doesn't it just really hasn't

1829
01:37:57,400 --> 01:38:01,000
Speaker 1: felt good. And I'm paying them auto mon so disappointed

1830
01:38:01,040 --> 01:38:03,920
Speaker 1: it disappointed in them. You know, it's that there's no

1831
01:38:04,120 --> 01:38:08,960
Speaker 1: recourse like they were just they're just unchecked power. Apple

1832
01:38:09,040 --> 01:38:13,520
Speaker 1: is unchecked power. And you said it's say that, say

1833
01:38:13,640 --> 01:38:16,519
Speaker 1: that I finally had to say it. I never wanted

1834
01:38:16,520 --> 01:38:18,240
Speaker 1: to say that. I had to finally say it. And

1835
01:38:18,280 --> 01:38:22,000
Speaker 1: now we said Patrick final words, closing thoughts for all

1836
01:38:22,040 --> 01:38:24,679
Speaker 1: the readers. Now that you're back, because we can say

1837
01:38:24,760 --> 01:38:27,519
Speaker 1: you are, you are sucking back the bitch is. I

1838
01:38:27,560 --> 01:38:29,160
Speaker 1: think you're back in a bit with the bitches, back

1839
01:38:29,160 --> 01:38:32,240
Speaker 1: in a big in a major way. Yeah. I think

1840
01:38:32,320 --> 01:38:34,960
Speaker 1: what I would say to my listeners first and foremost

1841
01:38:35,040 --> 01:38:41,320
Speaker 1: is I'm back on cameo and and it's that holiday season,

1842
01:38:41,920 --> 01:38:48,080
Speaker 1: and I know that you've already seen me in my

1843
01:38:48,160 --> 01:38:50,360
Speaker 1: upcoming projects, but continue to look for me in them.

1844
01:38:51,840 --> 01:38:53,800
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say too much more about what it's coming,

1845
01:38:53,840 --> 01:38:58,400
Speaker 1: but you guys hold tie it, and um, I would hold.

1846
01:38:58,720 --> 01:39:06,439
Speaker 1: My final words are hold tight. Okay, we've all missed

1847
01:39:06,439 --> 01:39:08,599
Speaker 1: you so much. I'm so glad. Yeah, this is our

1848
01:39:08,600 --> 01:39:11,080
Speaker 1: fourth episode together. And I know that you guys sometimes

1849
01:39:11,080 --> 01:39:14,479
Speaker 1: don't count the last episode and episode total, but I

1850
01:39:14,520 --> 01:39:17,160
Speaker 1: do count it, and I do count it. I've actually

1851
01:39:17,160 --> 01:39:21,080
Speaker 1: turned a corner and I count it. And that's and

1852
01:39:21,120 --> 01:39:24,920
Speaker 1: that shows that both can grow es. Actually culture number

1853
01:39:24,920 --> 01:39:29,800
Speaker 1: one hundred and six, Bobo grow Grow No, this is

1854
01:39:29,840 --> 01:39:34,639
Speaker 1: five including the last episode episode. Um, can we talk

1855
01:39:34,680 --> 01:39:40,759
Speaker 1: about Nicola Nicola? And then there see Treatment which Netflix

1856
01:39:40,800 --> 01:39:45,320
Speaker 1: has taken off there and Netflix has removed that episode,

1857
01:39:45,680 --> 01:39:53,200
Speaker 1: and and and and then See Culture and the many

1858
01:39:53,240 --> 01:39:55,880
Speaker 1: Seek Cultures and then many times you've co hosted with us,

1859
01:39:55,880 --> 01:39:58,640
Speaker 1: you might be the you might be all the the

1860
01:39:58,680 --> 01:40:01,560
Speaker 1: pre eminent Last Cultures dis guest. And I have an announcement.

1861
01:40:02,320 --> 01:40:05,800
Speaker 1: Oh my god, the panel is telling me that Pat

1862
01:40:05,840 --> 01:40:10,200
Speaker 1: Reagan has yet again one the Lost Culture Race. That's

1863
01:40:10,479 --> 01:40:14,800
Speaker 1: Icon Award. Oh my god, I would as per accepting it.

1864
01:40:14,800 --> 01:40:16,799
Speaker 1: I would like to say first and foremost that awards

1865
01:40:16,800 --> 01:40:20,840
Speaker 1: are so silly, and this thing that you're going right

1866
01:40:20,840 --> 01:40:22,559
Speaker 1: now is beautiful but I don't care about it. But

1867
01:40:22,600 --> 01:40:24,559
Speaker 1: it also means so much, and it means more than

1868
01:40:24,600 --> 01:40:29,639
Speaker 1: any other one because I'm the oldest and and bo

1869
01:40:29,840 --> 01:40:32,519
Speaker 1: I think you can agree that it is it is

1870
01:40:32,560 --> 01:40:35,080
Speaker 1: now custom for you know how we always end the

1871
01:40:35,080 --> 01:40:38,080
Speaker 1: episode with a song. Yes, but it is now custom.

1872
01:40:38,360 --> 01:40:41,559
Speaker 1: Is now to continue that the the the Cultural Award

1873
01:40:41,560 --> 01:40:46,080
Speaker 1: winner ends the episode with the song. Chooses the song,

1874
01:40:46,320 --> 01:40:49,240
Speaker 1: or you can initiate the song. You can sing with us,

1875
01:40:49,360 --> 01:40:51,439
Speaker 1: is it a song of pop culture? Can be an

1876
01:40:51,439 --> 01:40:54,639
Speaker 1: original track, whatever you want. It can be whatever, oh

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Speaker 1: oh my gosh, okay staring at the blank page out

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Speaker 1: the balance, friends, go sho And if you want to

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Speaker 1: hear the rest of that song, you can listen to

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Speaker 1: Natasha bedding Fields CD, Bye Bye,