Speaker 1: You're listening to The Buck Sexton Show podcast, make sure
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Speaker 1: episode of The Buck Sexton Show. We're joined by Mike Sernovich.
Speaker 1: He is an independent journalist, commentator, or filmmaker, a man
Speaker 1: of many talents and abilities and has a lot to
Speaker 1: talk to us about today. Mike, first time on the show.
Speaker 1: Welcome sir, Thank you my pleasure. So I gotta ask you,
Speaker 1: how are we doing these days on the right? When
Speaker 1: people ask you that question or when you think about that,
Speaker 1: what are the first things that come to mind? Well,
Speaker 1: the first thing that comes to mind is they did
Speaker 1: when a mid term with the House, and they did
Speaker 1: get a popular vote majority, which mattered of course before
Speaker 1: the current time. Right, Well, they won the popular vote
Speaker 1: for the House. That's the good news. The other good
Speaker 1: news is the Senate is looking good in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: Republicans can take that the you know, on the other hand,
Speaker 1: there's a lack of purpose and mission caused by an
Speaker 1: obsession with the twenty twenty election that like just won't
Speaker 1: go away. So you have a number of people myself included,
Speaker 1: and I'm becoming more of a dinosaur who says I mean,
Speaker 1: of course, every you can read about the Jfkle election,
Speaker 1: you can read about Bush versus Gore. Democrats had their
Speaker 1: opinion on that, of course, but you have to move
Speaker 1: on or you have to have some kind of solution.
Speaker 1: You can't dwell on it. And the right is currently
Speaker 1: obsessed with it and will not let it go. And
Speaker 1: anyone who doesn't think that's the most important issue as
Speaker 1: a traitor controlled opposition not ready for the moment. And
Speaker 1: that's people saying that as a large percentage of the
Speaker 1: voting bates, that's a huge problem. And I don't know what,
Speaker 1: if anything, is going to be done about that problem. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask you what you said, a huge percentage?
Speaker 1: What percent of the GOP base would you estimate based
Speaker 1: on your interactions with them, are completely and unalterably, at
Speaker 1: least for now, committed to the idea that Donald Trump
Speaker 1: won in twenty twenty, and therefore a replay of twenty
Speaker 1: twenty in terms of strategy, candidate, everything would be to
Speaker 1: our advantage. I would say ten to twenty. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: would be. That would be my guests as well, is
Speaker 1: there what would have taken me? So so when I
Speaker 1: have people, for example, calling on radio and I'll bring
Speaker 1: up I think Georgia is a perfect microcosm of this. Right,
Speaker 1: I think there are some states where you can look
Speaker 1: and see and say, hold on a second. We were
Speaker 1: able to win all but a race that was very
Speaker 1: much associated with Donald Trump and with twenty twenty election issues.
Speaker 1: And I'm not somebody thinks it was a clean election.
Speaker 1: But to me, that becomes irrelevant at some point unless
Speaker 1: we're talking about fixes to the election. Do you think
Speaker 1: there's anything Is this an unfalsifiable claim? Now for many people,
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty election was stolen and therefore it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: We just have to have Donald Trump again because he'll
Speaker 1: win this time. There's so there's two elements to that.
Speaker 1: One is the people who I don't think are annoying
Speaker 1: who say, hey, man, it was taken from Trump unjustly,
Speaker 1: let him have another rematch. I don't actually get upset
Speaker 1: by that point of view. I don't agree with that,
Speaker 1: I think wrong, but that's within the realm of reasonable
Speaker 1: dis chorus. But there's fortunately it's not ten percent, but
Speaker 1: it's probably one to three percent who would say, well, buck,
Speaker 1: you bring up Georgia. But that's because they the voting machine.
Speaker 1: People let these Republicans win. That's what they'll tell you.
Speaker 1: That there's control now to a level of granularity where
Speaker 1: they can say, Okay, let this guy Republican win and
Speaker 1: that one win, but we're not going to let that
Speaker 1: one win. Those people drive me insane. Honestly, they not insane,
Speaker 1: but they annoy me the way Internet spam annoys me.
Speaker 1: And there's no reaching them. That's the bigger problem too.
Speaker 1: So within that subset of the ten to twenty percent
Speaker 1: we think we have to redo twenty twenty is say,
Speaker 1: a percentage of people who they're not open to reason.
Speaker 1: You can't say, hey, look we just had an election,
Speaker 1: barely one why they barely won. Will Florida that map?
Speaker 1: We now have people attacking de Santas's redistricting map in Florida,
Speaker 1: which is the only reason the House has a majority
Speaker 1: right because Lee's Alvin pulled a few people up in
Speaker 1: New York to Santas is actually in federal court or
Speaker 1: will be soon because when the Florida legislator drew up
Speaker 1: the map, it didn't give Republicans much of an advantage,
Speaker 1: but because the state had changed, it was an unjust map.
Speaker 1: The Santas said no, we need to do a new
Speaker 1: map and did a new map. So it's barely a
Speaker 1: Republican majority. That's because himselve in in the Santas, not
Speaker 1: because of Trump. Trump seemed to have dragged down people
Speaker 1: who couldn't let go of the twenty twenty election, and
Speaker 1: that would be the logical case that I make. No
Speaker 1: that they're having you know, they're having none of it.
Speaker 1: Can can I ask you, you know, as a guy
Speaker 1: who I think certainly became known in conservative circles in
Speaker 1: the Trump era and relating specifically to twenty sixteen and
Speaker 1: the rise of the Trump movement, are you accused? Like?
Speaker 1: What are what are people who are very who are
Speaker 1: so pro Trump that they don't want to hear or
Speaker 1: they don't believe some of the arguments you're making. Is
Speaker 1: the response that you've you've turned on Trump. It just
Speaker 1: feels like you would have the credibility to say I
Speaker 1: still think a lot of what Trump did is great,
Speaker 1: and I appreciate Trump, but I at this on this issue,
Speaker 1: I break from some of the narrative. Right, do you
Speaker 1: get any leeway for that, well, I do from people
Speaker 1: who know right. You don't see a lot of people
Speaker 1: who are insiders saying too much because what I say
Speaker 1: is actually true. But then the funny criticism of me
Speaker 1: is and this is again because of maybe the way
Speaker 1: that people are spoken to who are Trump motors. You're
Speaker 1: either Trump or you're never Trump. And if you're never Trump,
Speaker 1: you're the dispatch. And no, what do you do with
Speaker 1: a guy who is hated by the never trumpers despies.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you knew, especially in twenty sixteen, I was hated,
Speaker 1: and because I was pretty ferocious, I ruffled a lot
Speaker 1: of feathers. Twenty seventeen, still pretty hated because I was
Speaker 1: pro Trump and I was knocking metaphorically knocking heads of
Speaker 1: these dishonest conservative pipe piper leaders right. So to me,
Speaker 1: if I were Trump people, I would be worried. I
Speaker 1: would say, Okay, we know where Cerovic was. He's not
Speaker 1: there now. He's so far over Trump, and we need
Speaker 1: to find out why, and we need to fix up
Speaker 1: with the inter is that they don't want to engage
Speaker 1: with realities. So the realities I sent you an article
Speaker 1: from twenty seventeen Foreign Policy magazine. So people go, you know,
Speaker 1: especially people who are new to politics, go, cernam it.
Speaker 1: You're never Trumper, You're a nobody, You're a loser without
Speaker 1: Trump or nothing, blah blah blah. And here's all I
Speaker 1: gotta say. I was under federal investigation by the National
Speaker 1: Security Advisor hr McMaster because my reporting into the sabotage
Speaker 1: efforts directed at Trump were so truthful and effective that
Speaker 1: they wanted to shut me down. The Ukraine whistle blower
Speaker 1: who came up during that impeachment trial. I reported that
Speaker 1: this person was looking to get Trump set up on something,
Speaker 1: or to figure something out, or to find a way
Speaker 1: to get Trump out of office. I reported that in
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen, the name and everything which you can't even
Speaker 1: say lo and behold the name resurfaces. And oh, the
Speaker 1: same guy that I said in twenty seventeen was was
Speaker 1: gonna be a problem. Oh so years twenty seventeen, two
Speaker 1: years later, now you're in trouble for something that I
Speaker 1: warned you about. So when people come at me with
Speaker 1: these ridiculous slander at this point, the idea that that
Speaker 1: um that I'm a never Trumper who doesn't know anything,
Speaker 1: it's actually the opposite. I was such a pro Trumper
Speaker 1: and I was explaining what was being done to sabotage
Speaker 1: Trump when he could have reversed chorus, and they didn't
Speaker 1: want to listen. So then in twenty eighteen, I said,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty much over this guy. There there's no real
Speaker 1: point and in doing this, right, what was the point
Speaker 1: of Trump Agenda? I'm sorry my guess. I mean, did
Speaker 1: did the Trump Agenda get subverted by people that Trump
Speaker 1: brought into his orbit? Or was the apparatus and the
Speaker 1: deep state and the and the Democrat media just too
Speaker 1: much so that the promises were not able to be
Speaker 1: seen through? Right? What was it within Trump's control or
Speaker 1: was it external forces that are too much for anyone
Speaker 1: to be able to break through to fulfill all the
Speaker 1: promises or even the biggest promises of the agenda build
Speaker 1: the wall, for example. Well, you know the answer to that.
Speaker 1: You were at Trump DC, and I'm sure you heard
Speaker 1: because we are there in the same era. The same
Speaker 1: thing that I heard is the only way to get
Speaker 1: hired and the Trump administration is to prove that you
Speaker 1: were never Trumper. In twenty sixteen and twenty fifteen, that
Speaker 1: was the quote unquote joke. Do you want a job
Speaker 1: in the Trump administration, you better prove that you were
Speaker 1: never Trump during his campaign and we saw it over
Speaker 1: and over and over again. Who they put in charge
Speaker 1: of things at State Department. You know, you can talk
Speaker 1: to people like Amanda Militis is still loyal to Trump.
Speaker 1: She's still called him the president. She's still loyal. But
Speaker 1: you can ask her and she'll tell you, because again,
Speaker 1: what I say is not dishonest. They'll all tell you,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the people who are put in control, we're
Speaker 1: all never Trumpers. And people would go and say, why
Speaker 1: are you hiring never Trumpers? And Trump would just sort
Speaker 1: of raised his hand, you know, yeah, how did that happen?
Speaker 1: Though you know you were there. How did that happen?
Speaker 1: How did never Trumpers take over the Trump administration? Seems bizarre.
Speaker 1: Trump never had any interest in getting into the weeds
Speaker 1: of how you create administration. Now. The excuse for that is, oh,
Speaker 1: when you come from the private sector, you hire people.
Speaker 1: Everybody shares a mission, everybody wants to make money. Oh,
Speaker 1: poor Trump was naive, which I hate that line. I'm
Speaker 1: forty five. I don't know how you old you are
Speaker 1: forty one? Yeah, if you talked about me like that,
Speaker 1: I'd be insulted. Oh, poor Mike, helpless, little baby, he
Speaker 1: didn't know, he's so naive. I would be insulted. And
Speaker 1: that's how people talk about Trump like he said geriatric.
Speaker 1: Oh he just didn't know how vicious it was gonna be. Well,
Speaker 1: he didn't. I mean, he had people telling him this.
Speaker 1: People like me were telling him this. A lot of people,
Speaker 1: probably people like you, were telling that to him, or
Speaker 1: a staff was at the very least, so there the
Speaker 1: whole always just he just never cared. He never gave
Speaker 1: a crap about sitting down and saying, Okay, I'm the president,
Speaker 1: now what can I do? How do I make this happen?
Speaker 1: He fell riding in the trap when firing flynned with
Speaker 1: the Russia Gate stuff. He was distracted by all of this,
Speaker 1: these chaotic land minds going off about him, instead of saying,
Speaker 1: why don't I just hire people who like me and
Speaker 1: support me? And then of course Mike Pompeo started getting
Speaker 1: the security clearance. This pool of Trump supporters I was
Speaker 1: supporting that at the time didn't matter. He wasn't protecting
Speaker 1: his staffers. They were getting walked out from the National
Speaker 1: Security Council one by one. It was like a joke, like, oh,
Speaker 1: who's getting fired today? Right? Rich Higgins rest in peace,
Speaker 1: who succumbed to various medical conditions a couple of years ago,
Speaker 1: was walked out of the National Security Council, brilliant guy
Speaker 1: because he was too hard on China. He wrote this
Speaker 1: memo explaining how China. All this is true. Now if
Speaker 1: you go read the Rich Higgens memo, everything he said
Speaker 1: is true. So Rich Higgins was warning people about the
Speaker 1: Confucius Institute. He was warning people about how China is
Speaker 1: subverting the country via you know, university, and for that
Speaker 1: he got fired, walked out. So why are people getting
Speaker 1: walked out? Can I just tell you one thing that
Speaker 1: when I was in the CIA, that I used to
Speaker 1: say when they found out finally that I was leaving,
Speaker 1: they reached out and I had I didn't leave under
Speaker 1: I wasn't angry or any of that. I just got,
Speaker 1: honestly a cooler opportunity for me at the time, which
Speaker 1: was the start of media career, which I wasn't looking for,
Speaker 1: but it found me. But I just remember telling them,
Speaker 1: I said, you know, guys, this is now, this is
Speaker 1: from an analyst side to be fair, but I said,
Speaker 1: one of the problems in our business, and I met
Speaker 1: this in the whole national security national security sphere overall.
Speaker 1: If I was in DC, i'd say written large, because
Speaker 1: everybody in DC has to say written large all the time,
Speaker 1: has sound serious. But one of the things was that
Speaker 1: being right in the in the long run, meaning to
Speaker 1: be truly right, doesn't matter. It's being right in the
Speaker 1: office with the policymaker at the time of the discussion,
Speaker 1: such that they like you and they want you back.
Speaker 1: The incentives are all wrong. And just to what you
Speaker 1: said about your friend, it doesn't matter who's right about
Speaker 1: the WMD, it doesn't matter who's right about us China,
Speaker 1: doesn't matter who. What matters is do the people making
Speaker 1: the decisions like you when you're a CIA officer, when
Speaker 1: you're an FBI, you know, senior counterintelligence guy. Whatever's that's
Speaker 1: why you have this This This plays out time and
Speaker 1: time again. Mike, Yeah, And people were explaining that to Trump,
Speaker 1: but again he had no interest in learning this. So
Speaker 1: that's why I bring up I hate to be the
Speaker 1: old guy who was well. Back when I was in
Speaker 1: high school, I scored four touchdowns that's not what this
Speaker 1: is about, right. The reliving and glory days, those are
Speaker 1: actually quite stress quite stressful actually, when the entire intelligence
Speaker 1: community has singled out you, a civilian for political and
Speaker 1: or worse style assassination. So it's not like a glory
Speaker 1: it's more like I put my neck on the line.
Speaker 1: All of these things I reported came out to be true.
Speaker 1: All of the excuses people make are not excuses. It's
Speaker 1: not Monday morning quarterbacking for me in twenty twenty two,
Speaker 1: to bring up twenty seventeen, when in twenty seventeen, I
Speaker 1: and other people but close to the president was saying, Hey,
Speaker 1: you got a problem here. You gotta get rid of
Speaker 1: certain people. Your loyal people are getting fired. They're trying
Speaker 1: to completely rework this into Hillary Clinton National Security Council.
Speaker 1: You better, you better handle your business, right. I'll tell you.
Speaker 1: One of my frustrations, Mike, real quick about this is
Speaker 1: that Trump brought me in in May of twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: I thought it was because I was one of the
Speaker 1: first people to say I don't know. There were some others,
Speaker 1: you know, my friend Jesse Kelly, and there were a
Speaker 1: few people who very early on April twenty twenty, were like,
Speaker 1: this is crazy, open up, no mask, this is insane.
Speaker 1: But I thought he want to talk about COVID, He
Speaker 1: want to talk about the intelligence community and some of
Speaker 1: the top people who were still in that I knew,
Speaker 1: you know, either personally or or well enough that I
Speaker 1: could weigh in on. And it was kind of funny. Now, granted,
Speaker 1: Trump thought he was gonna get four more years, so
Speaker 1: I respect, but there was a part of me that
Speaker 1: wanted to be like missus president, you know, you know
Speaker 1: me and he had known me since I was a kid.
Speaker 1: He had actually Trump and his kids had known me
Speaker 1: since I was thirteen or fourteen years old in New York.
Speaker 1: Do you bring me in? Now it's been four years,
Speaker 1: you're asking me. I could have helped him avoid some
Speaker 1: of the deep state bear traps that he walked into.
Speaker 1: But he didn't ask my little while me didn't ask
Speaker 1: my opinion. You know, he brought in. Look, he brought
Speaker 1: in a bunch of swamp guys. He just did. And
Speaker 1: so you know, I sit here and I'm like, I
Speaker 1: you know, it's like if I were you know, you're
Speaker 1: a dad. I'm hoping to be dad soon. I just
Speaker 1: got married if I told if I wanted to tell
Speaker 1: my kid, hey, you know, run this play on the
Speaker 1: football field, but he won't even listen to me. I
Speaker 1: can't even say it. And then he gets just annihilated
Speaker 1: and sacked and loses the ball, loses the football. That's
Speaker 1: how it felt to me. It's like, really, I don't
Speaker 1: know that was frustrating. Well no, it's really I didn't
Speaker 1: know that about you. And that's even more annoying to
Speaker 1: me because yeah, right, so you're you're at the Trump
Speaker 1: DC Hotel. You're hearing the same things that I'm hearing, yeah,
Speaker 1: which is, oh yeah, got walked out today? Well why
Speaker 1: Well because some'm Clinton appointee wanted the jobs, so they
Speaker 1: got rid of the Trump person and they put a
Speaker 1: Clinton person in there. The intelligence community is indistinguishable under
Speaker 1: Trump that it would have been under a Clinton president.
Speaker 1: Seeing you're like, oh another one. Wow. So it's like
Speaker 1: Friday night, like every Friday was a Friday night massac
Speaker 1: or you're at Trump Trump the Trump Hotel DC, and
Speaker 1: oh yeah that oh I'm out of a job now.
Speaker 1: And then of course there was no soft landing for
Speaker 1: those people. So you saw this, you know, of course
Speaker 1: you could have and you know this, you could have
Speaker 1: just had Trump walk through Trump Hotel in DC when
Speaker 1: you know, when it was Trump Hotel when he was president,
Speaker 1: and just walking just people that he knew by side
Speaker 1: a name, you know, you me others, and it's been like, hey, guys,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about bringing this guy in or gal to
Speaker 1: some very senior, very important post. What do you guys think?
Speaker 1: And we could have said, you know, because we all knew,
Speaker 1: we would have said, sir, this is a person who
Speaker 1: it's just about them. There's no, it's not about service
Speaker 1: to the mission. It's certainly not about service to your agenda.
Speaker 1: But some that feedback mechanism. And I've tried to tell
Speaker 1: people this. It's like every time I felt like I
Speaker 1: was trying to coach. And I have a much bigger
Speaker 1: platform now than I did during the Trump I meant
Speaker 1: to be fair, But every time I felt like, even
Speaker 1: from what I had, I was trying to coach Trump
Speaker 1: in the movement out of out of love for what
Speaker 1: was trying to be accomplished. I got shot. I got shot.
Speaker 1: Why don't you believe him? Four D chess? Shut up?
Speaker 1: Why aren't you with him? I'm like with him, I'm
Speaker 1: with him the way that you know the coach whose
Speaker 1: desperate to see his team win is with him. Like
Speaker 1: what and that feedback mechanism being broken? I think was Look,
Speaker 1: I think it's it's why Trump isn't president right now, folks.
Speaker 1: I hate to be the one that has to say it.
Speaker 1: That's why we got four years of Biden and maybe
Speaker 1: four more, which I want to I want to talk
Speaker 1: to you about. It's like, actually, can we pause right
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Speaker 1: have another another premise here. I want to throw your
Speaker 1: away because you know, look, I'm just gonna say it,
Speaker 1: Mike is one of for those of you who are
Speaker 1: on Twitter, Mike is I think one of the most
Speaker 1: worthwhile Twitter follows that you can have because you don't
Speaker 1: always know what you're gonna get, but it is worthwhile.
Speaker 1: And I feel like that's such a rarity on the
Speaker 1: right these days. There's so many people who it's just
Speaker 1: we're all like hamsters hitting the pedal. Right, it's like
Speaker 1: the same, Oh, this is what you know, this is
Speaker 1: the talking point, this is the talking point. You know
Speaker 1: you're you're with the movement, but you're not always aligned
Speaker 1: specifically with every individual part of it. And I find
Speaker 1: it interesting. And also we'll talk about some of the
Speaker 1: lifestyle and you know, life philosophy, I think is a
Speaker 1: better way of putting a life philosophy stuff that you
Speaker 1: get into. So I think that's really important for the
Speaker 1: right and just for all of us. But I believe it.
Speaker 1: I believe that Joe Biden, you know, we spent a
Speaker 1: lot of time going haha, he's Seenisle and whatever. And
Speaker 1: look I do some of that too. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: poking fun is poking fun. Um. I think he's going
Speaker 1: to be formidable in reelection. And I think people that
Speaker 1: believe that this is going to be, you know, that Trump,
Speaker 1: let's say it is Trump, that Trump comes back and
Speaker 1: he's the nominee and it's going to be a walk
Speaker 1: in the park for him, I think that's delusional. And
Speaker 1: I think we all need to be very honest that
Speaker 1: this is going to be a dog fight. Zero percent
Speaker 1: Trump wins in twenty against I mean, there's I'll take,
Speaker 1: you know, I want to make best I'll talk about,
Speaker 1: you know what kind of as they want to set,
Speaker 1: because that'll be the easiest money that I ever make
Speaker 1: in my life. No Desantz barely desands it would be
Speaker 1: a close call, but because there are issues with like
Speaker 1: I argue, an example, we don't need to go to
Speaker 1: the moon is made of green cheese. Are the infamous?
Speaker 1: There was a server I mean you, I'm sure you
Speaker 1: remember as a former CIA analyst, some people were saying
Speaker 1: there was a server shootout involving the CIA in Germany
Speaker 1: for votes in twenty twenty. I was like, oh my god, yeah,
Speaker 1: we have a we have a real problem here and
Speaker 1: I don't know where we're going to do about it.
Speaker 1: But they can't I mean, they can't run ballots more
Speaker 1: than once. You know, it's not hard to say, oh,
Speaker 1: we have a you know we're running the ballots and
Speaker 1: you know that there's a certain district that's going to
Speaker 1: be heavily favorite of Viden. You can't change it at
Speaker 1: the granduar level, but you can say I'll run this
Speaker 1: one a couple of times. There's there's there's nothing really
Speaker 1: stopping that. That's why you need more poll watchers, which
Speaker 1: was a big issue in twenty twenty, the whole of
Speaker 1: the pipers in Georgia and then suddenly the Republican poll
Speaker 1: watchers were sent away and there was no real solution
Speaker 1: for that. So there's a lot of things that twenty
Speaker 1: twenty that aren't going to go away, and it's gonna intensify.
Speaker 1: And that's why you need Rohn to Santaz, who's gonna say, hey, Buck,
Speaker 1: what do you think? What do you think about twenty twenty?
Speaker 1: And you're gonna say, well, there was no CIA shootout
Speaker 1: to steal the server. You know, the moon is not
Speaker 1: made of green cheese. But yeah, there are people doing
Speaker 1: double ballots. There are pull watchers or pull watchers were
Speaker 1: kicked out. That's gonna come up again. There is ballot
Speaker 1: harvesting that's going to be a big problem. They're going
Speaker 1: to these massive apartment complexes and maybe all folks homes,
Speaker 1: So we need to start looking at addresses because they're
Speaker 1: filling out the ballots for senile people. That a lot
Speaker 1: of that was shown in twenty twenty. Right, Oh, here's
Speaker 1: a oh yet one hundred and fifty votes out of
Speaker 1: here and it turns out as a senior living center. Right,
Speaker 1: So there's a lot and because elections are so close,
Speaker 1: everything like that really does matter, and you need someone
Speaker 1: who's going to focus on that. Well, this is the
Speaker 1: part of it that I also got very frustrated after
Speaker 1: twenty twenty because anybody who wants to talk about how
Speaker 1: we can find when there's illegal ballot harving, ballot harvesting,
Speaker 1: find that stop that. Anybody wants to talk about mail
Speaker 1: in ballot campaigns for Republicans, how we need to match
Speaker 1: fight fire with fire, and says, look at Florida, look
Speaker 1: at Rhndissantis just did in his reelection. Mail in ballots
Speaker 1: can be done. It can be done safely and securely,
Speaker 1: but you need to get the stuff set up. I'm
Speaker 1: all about that. And looking for fraud and setting up
Speaker 1: systems to catch fraud, I'm all about that too. But
Speaker 1: whenever I say to them, at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: it's scoreboard, and if they put up the points and
Speaker 1: we can't prove that they cheated, thinking they cheated is
Speaker 1: one thing. Fine, Yeah, sure I think they cheated, But
Speaker 1: I think they always cheat. If we can't prove it,
Speaker 1: we lose. And this is just where we come to.
Speaker 1: I mean, I had people in the months after the election,
Speaker 1: I'd be like, and I don't mean when Trump is
Speaker 1: still in office. I'm talking about you know, let's say
Speaker 1: April of twenty twenty one, I'd say, oh, you know,
Speaker 1: President Biden, and I'd be at live events. They say,
Speaker 1: don't call him that, he's not the president, and I'm
Speaker 1: looking at him like, guys, you know, he is the president.
Speaker 1: You can say he cheated and it sucks and I
Speaker 1: wish it weren't the case, but like you know, we
Speaker 1: got we gotta pushed through this a little bit. And
Speaker 1: I just worry that the thinking of the twenty twenty
Speaker 1: obsession is going to be a big problem for us
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four. And I try to tell everybody
Speaker 1: Joe Biden, look, yes, everything you say about him, he's
Speaker 1: a clown. His son is a disaster. They're criminals, they
Speaker 1: pedal influence. I mean, no one criticizes him and sees
Speaker 1: it I think more clearly than I do. I mean,
Speaker 1: other people see it the same way. But Mike, he's
Speaker 1: gonna get forty nine percent of the vote, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: that's where we are. And I just need everybody on
Speaker 1: the right to understand that because I see these polls. Oh,
Speaker 1: people think Biden shouldn't run again. Guess what if he
Speaker 1: runs again, those people who are Democrats are going to
Speaker 1: vote for him without a second thought. We just had
Speaker 1: an election That's why I tell people too. People send
Speaker 1: me polls here and there, and I go, we just
Speaker 1: had a midterm, brother, Why are we talking about polls
Speaker 1: a few months after a midterm? Yeah? Right, that's how
Speaker 1: I feel about polls. This sixty one percent of the
Speaker 1: country says that it's going to the wrong direction. Great,
Speaker 1: we had an election and ste of the electorate didn't
Speaker 1: vote Republican. We didn't have that slave that we thought.
Speaker 1: It was all very close, hotly contested elections. Bobert almost
Speaker 1: sawst hearsy it was. It was brutal, and again without
Speaker 1: the Santest and Zelden, it very well may have been
Speaker 1: a narrow majority under Nancy Pelosi for another two years.
Speaker 1: So I don't know the poll And this is again
Speaker 1: my biggest problem with the right, and probably this spoils
Speaker 1: into my overall life philosophy. We if you have an audience,
Speaker 1: you have to be a leader, and you have to
Speaker 1: lead your people in the right direction. You do not
Speaker 1: pander to their delusions because you want another click, you
Speaker 1: want another retweet or whatever. I've never pandered to everything
Speaker 1: I've said, even the things which are even the crazy
Speaker 1: things I've said, are aging better than maybe I thought
Speaker 1: it's because I believe it and I want to steer
Speaker 1: my people in the right direction and telling telling our people,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, sixty one percent Biden wrong direct. I say,
Speaker 1: shake them up. Did you not pay attention to what
Speaker 1: has happened? Two hundred and twenty two seats? And it
Speaker 1: turns out, Santos, we're gonna just plan on losing that one.
Speaker 1: So you need to just be thinking already, how are
Speaker 1: you gonna get bobert reelected? Double recounts? Right, barely, that's
Speaker 1: how close everything is going to be. Every vote counts
Speaker 1: Orange County, there's still one seat shy of where it
Speaker 1: was before the ballot harvesting of twenty eighteen. So even
Speaker 1: though the California GOP has gained ground and retook a
Speaker 1: bunch of the seats that were wrongfully taken in twenty eighteen,
Speaker 1: there's still sheets a seat shot. I was thinking of sheets.
Speaker 1: I was thinking of the guys a dreams sheets actually,
Speaker 1: but it's the electoral seats. And that's what we have
Speaker 1: to do, is you shake our people up, you guys.
Speaker 1: You need to focus on the right issues. I think
Speaker 1: that's that's essential. I want to ask a question. We'll
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Speaker 1: number two T dot org. All right, Mike Cernovich controversial?
Speaker 1: Why do they come after you so hard? Man? Well?
Speaker 1: What do you do to upset the apparatus so much? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I often say I'm probably the most widely read person
Speaker 1: that people won't admit that they read because I'll say
Speaker 1: something no one else had ever said, And then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden that's circulating widely and largely the reason
Speaker 1: I'm controversial or seeing that way is in twenty fifteen
Speaker 1: and twenty sixteen, I viewed the presidency as an existential
Speaker 1: crisis and stopping Hillary Clinton was the most important thing
Speaker 1: that I could have ever possibly have done with my life.
Speaker 1: And I didn't have kids. I honestly didn't care if
Speaker 1: that election killed me. I didn't where I was at
Speaker 1: the time. We would have been in World War three
Speaker 1: with Syria and Hillary Clinton one. So as much as
Speaker 1: I you know Trump this all the criticism is buffered
Speaker 1: by the fact that we prevented World War three by
Speaker 1: working to elect Trump, and everyone should feel good about
Speaker 1: that for humanity. It was one of the greatest gifts
Speaker 1: that we could have given humanity in our lives, and
Speaker 1: Trump deserves all the credit for that. But if twenty
Speaker 1: fifteen twenty sixteen, I was pretty mean, if you were
Speaker 1: a you know, conservative, was the term like, we've we
Speaker 1: fought viciously and we weren't We weren't nice to people,
Speaker 1: So I made a lot of enemies, which, as you know,
Speaker 1: that's not a good way to be an influencer or
Speaker 1: a media personality. It's not good. Like late, I think
Speaker 1: Jordan Peterson has been doing things to sabotage the right.
Speaker 1: Who's going to criticize Jordan Peterson. Accept me. Nobody can
Speaker 1: say that I'm wrong, right, Everybody in my notifications when
Speaker 1: I said, well, wait, why is Jordan Peterson calling out
Speaker 1: Christian rufo Into Santez for trying to reform higher education
Speaker 1: when Jordan's whole brand is the far left? Is it
Speaker 1: going too far? Well, okay, so, but legislative action is happening,
Speaker 1: and now you suddenly have a problem. No one else
Speaker 1: but me is gonna say that, because well, one then
Speaker 1: you're gonna get You're not gonna be on the podcast circle.
Speaker 1: You know. I'm I'm persona on Garrata because Jordan Peterson
Speaker 1: is a you know, perfect saint. But you notice, if
Speaker 1: you ever read the replies, nobody says cert of it's
Speaker 1: you're factually incorrect. They go, oh, you're jealous. His book
Speaker 1: sells more than you. Blah blah blah. Which is you know,
Speaker 1: and anybody who knows can attest. I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: ever get on anyone's podcast. I always say, find an
Speaker 1: email on me. Try trying to be on someone's podcast, right,
Speaker 1: that's so far from where I don't want to do.
Speaker 1: But there's no one who if I think you're steering
Speaker 1: the right in a bad direction or the country in
Speaker 1: a bad direction. I don't care how popular you are.
Speaker 1: I don't care if you have this halo effect on you.
Speaker 1: So I'll criticize Trump and Jordan Peterson the same tweet,
Speaker 1: and then that that then I'm controversial. Now Osernovich is
Speaker 1: at it again, rather than just say okay, well, but
Speaker 1: is he actually correct though? Is this this is a
Speaker 1: correct point? So live it is vibe and aura because
Speaker 1: I go, I mean, I go hard. That's why I
Speaker 1: don't play um. I don't ask for sympathy or a
Speaker 1: pity party because I do go hard and people people
Speaker 1: go hard back to me. But that's more where you
Speaker 1: know why people see me as controversial, because yeah, I
Speaker 1: do go, I do go hard. If I think you're
Speaker 1: you're up to something that's steering the right wing in
Speaker 1: a wrong direction, then I'm gonna come at you in
Speaker 1: a way that other people won't. Speaking of the Jordan Peterson,
Speaker 1: I mean, one thing that I do think is getting
Speaker 1: a lot more attention. There's Jordan Peterson, and then more
Speaker 1: recently there's been Andrew Tate, who, as I speak to you,
Speaker 1: is still in prison. They have leveled all these allegations
Speaker 1: against him. He's an American citizen who has not been
Speaker 1: afforded time before a judge. They're just holding him. He says,
Speaker 1: he's innocent. The charges are are very serious. But we
Speaker 1: know that he was speaking, particularly in the last six
Speaker 1: months or so, a lot about what it means to
Speaker 1: be a man, what young men should hear. And people said, oh,
Speaker 1: we set all these terrible things the past. I say, oh, well,
Speaker 1: that that may well be true, but there is still
Speaker 1: a need, regardless of any individual, regardless of any influencer,
Speaker 1: to look at the all out assault on masculinity and
Speaker 1: this is a real thing. We're all aware of it
Speaker 1: that is underway. Toxic masculinity as a term is something
Speaker 1: that kids are learning in school and being taught that
Speaker 1: they should be aware of. Do you think the right
Speaker 1: is doing is beginning to do enough? I guess say, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, have we the term woke? You know, whenever
Speaker 1: I say have we awoke in I'm gonna be like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: not wokeness, but are we h waking up to the
Speaker 1: all out assault on masculinity and gender as part of
Speaker 1: the leftist program as something that is an intentional part
Speaker 1: of strategy. That realization m was part of why Trump
Speaker 1: won in twenty sixteen because he was seen as someone
Speaker 1: who really kind of unders So that that's why I
Speaker 1: think that Trump's most recent nasty comments about the Santaest
Speaker 1: is just going to fail. Right, Oh, here's the Santist
Speaker 1: at a graduation party, and they're like, oh, okay, so
Speaker 1: here's a young de Santest and doing a normal thing.
Speaker 1: And now so now they're trying to flip that, which
Speaker 1: is what I by the way, I have no I
Speaker 1: have no tolerance for the Oh he was a twenty
Speaker 1: three year old teacher who posed in a photo with
Speaker 1: some of his students and like maybe one of them
Speaker 1: had a beer. Let's let's charge it with some let's
Speaker 1: let's allege or insinuate some kind of sexual impropriety. That
Speaker 1: is that is bleeping garbage to do, and everybody knows it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it was a graduation party, so you know, as
Speaker 1: you know now it's a different era. But yeah, you go, oh,
Speaker 1: that's our high school teacher come to a graduation party.
Speaker 1: That wasn't a weird thing. And if you actually because
Speaker 1: the New York Times they reported all of this and
Speaker 1: they said he didn't try anything. He didn't do anything.
Speaker 1: He just showed up to a graduation party. The kids
Speaker 1: are like, oh, hey, how are you doing. How you doing, teacher?
Speaker 1: And he's like hi and walks away. And then the
Speaker 1: New York Times, the New York Times couldn't even turn
Speaker 1: that into anything, right. So if you go back and
Speaker 1: read it, when they tried that, everybody said, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: nothing weird happened. Oh but in hindsight, he shouldn't have
Speaker 1: done it, right, that's where they lend it to. So
Speaker 1: that just shows that people playing into that narrative. They're
Speaker 1: playing into the left wing narrative, which is that, okay,
Speaker 1: so if you're a twenty three year old or twenty
Speaker 1: two to twenty four year old man and you're with
Speaker 1: an adult woman just in the room, you're a groomer. Now,
Speaker 1: where did that come from? That's left wing orthodoxy right there.
Speaker 1: So that's where the people have again lost a plot
Speaker 1: that's not I'm gonna work. But that shows how deep
Speaker 1: the memes are now when people on the right don't realize, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm actually being played, or for example, the the Andrew
Speaker 1: Tate thing, Now people are if you go read those articles, boy,
Speaker 1: the headlines don't match what's in the story. The headline
Speaker 1: is the latest BBC one I read was oh, and
Speaker 1: I'm in trouble for the Andrew Tait thing too, because
Speaker 1: we've had cigars together too. So that's another reason I'm controversial.
Speaker 1: So I've been embroiled in scandal after scandal where that
Speaker 1: because I've smoked cigars with Andrew Tate. I have to
Speaker 1: you know, I have to either disavow him and convict
Speaker 1: him or I'm like to wait a minute, why don't
Speaker 1: you read the articles. The latest BBC article was a
Speaker 1: woman who said that, oh, yeah, I did cam and
Speaker 1: he gave me half the money, but I felt like
Speaker 1: he manipulated me. Oh and she had done sex work
Speaker 1: before and then she left and they broke up. Right,
Speaker 1: So the headline is Andrew Tate abusive boyfriend, manipulator. Okay,
Speaker 1: well maybe this is finally, maybe they have something finally,
Speaker 1: And then you read it and I go, wait a minute.
Speaker 1: So he had a relationship with a sex worker. He
Speaker 1: tried to get into camp, she didn't want to. Eventually
Speaker 1: she did. He split the money with their fifty fifty.
Speaker 1: She decided their relationship was toxic. That goes both ways.
Speaker 1: Relationships with men and women are both toxic. That happens
Speaker 1: regardless agenda. And then she broke up with them and left.
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, but we're being told that the Tape
Speaker 1: Brothers are the real life Taked movie. That's the narrative.
Speaker 1: The narrative is they're kidnapping people. The narrative isn't that
Speaker 1: they're bad boyfriend. Human traffick. Human trafficking is the allegation
Speaker 1: they're using human trafficking, which is which is a heinous crime, right,
Speaker 1: something people should go to prison for decades for Haine
Speaker 1: is crime. I mean to the human trafficking allegation. I've
Speaker 1: also read in just in the stories that there are
Speaker 1: people that are allegedly human trafficked who are coming and
Speaker 1: going on video as they please with cell phone owns
Speaker 1: and buying designer handbags. So right, if if that's if
Speaker 1: that's human trafficking, I know, I do think you start
Speaker 1: to get to well, is it the is the coercive
Speaker 1: Is it just the psychological brainwashing creates the coercive force?
Speaker 1: But how do you measure that? Yes, And we need
Speaker 1: to talk about that because that's the latest. That's the
Speaker 1: latest ploy the late because two of these, two of
Speaker 1: the women who are free and walking around, they're the victims.
Speaker 1: And the Ukrainian judge said, oh, you've been brainwashed by
Speaker 1: the man. That's all left wing. So the left wing now,
Speaker 1: that's why I was so disgusted by Trump's tweet referring
Speaker 1: to the santests. And that is grooming. Oh so we're
Speaker 1: the left now. And if you're an adult man with
Speaker 1: a woman who's eighteen or older, you are now a groomer.
Speaker 1: Groomors what happens to children, right, Grooming is at something
Speaker 1: that you do not I personally, if I'm twenty four
Speaker 1: and I'm a high school teacher at that era, you
Speaker 1: just go to a graduation party because you don't think
Speaker 1: anything of it because you're actually not a scumbag. Right,
Speaker 1: If you're a scumbag, you wouldn't say like, oh, take
Speaker 1: a picture of me because I want I want proof
Speaker 1: that I can your graduation. It'd be the opposite. But
Speaker 1: that is left ing. Orthodoxy is they're going back now.
Speaker 1: And you can see this in a lot of the cases.
Speaker 1: And the theory. The theory is that if you're you're
Speaker 1: so man, your man brain is so powerful and then
Speaker 1: by extension, the female brain is so manipulable that men
Speaker 1: are now emotionally manipulating women into doing things the woman
Speaker 1: doesn't want to do, and even if she doesn't leave,
Speaker 1: and in fact, by not leaving, that proves your man
Speaker 1: brain is so strong that you're able to exercise this
Speaker 1: mind control over you know, fully formed adult women. That's
Speaker 1: where it is. Because yeah, these two women said they
Speaker 1: were on video and they're like, oh, yeah, you know Andrew,
Speaker 1: he was nice, we love them and everything. And I
Speaker 1: thought to myself, well, you could find how how would
Speaker 1: I know this isn't just two random Romania women? How
Speaker 1: do I know these are the two women in the
Speaker 1: court case? Because for me, I feel like I have
Speaker 1: a duty to present if the Tates are being railroaded,
Speaker 1: I have a duty to say something. Right. So I
Speaker 1: saw that video and I even tweeted, how could I
Speaker 1: know these women are really his girlfriends? Right? How do
Speaker 1: you know? And then you read the court Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: as it turns out they are. They told the judge
Speaker 1: we don't want anything to do with this, and the
Speaker 1: judge said, too bad. I didn't realize, by the way,
Speaker 1: you were so up on this story. Do you believe
Speaker 1: the Tates are being railroaded. Well, I certainly believe based
Speaker 1: on what I've seen that the evidence is not matching
Speaker 1: the allegations and the media. Because if you're telling me
Speaker 1: there are six victims and two of them have said
Speaker 1: we're not, and you're saying we don't care. If they
Speaker 1: say they're not, they still are, then that means that
Speaker 1: a lot of pressure has been applied, probably to the
Speaker 1: other four. I did see this, by the way, and
Speaker 1: one of the reports there were women who have come
Speaker 1: forward who are considered to be some of the human
Speaker 1: trafficking victims, who have told the court and this is
Speaker 1: on record or told the authorities. I should say, police,
Speaker 1: that's laughable. We meaning these two women, I think there
Speaker 1: are six that we were absolutely not human traffic human
Speaker 1: trafficking victims. That is reported right now, right, So we
Speaker 1: know for a fact two of six say we're not,
Speaker 1: and we know the judge said we don't care you are.
Speaker 1: So what's they say about the other four? Were they
Speaker 1: leaned on, were they pressured? Were they real last why?
Speaker 1: I would like to see evidence? So then the BBC goes, oh,
Speaker 1: we met one of the Tate's old girlfriends, and he's
Speaker 1: a terrible, terrible guy. And then I go, okay, well
Speaker 1: let's read the article. And that's the article I just mentioned.
Speaker 1: Do you think the Biden administration is putting pressure on
Speaker 1: Romania in this regard? Is that just too far fetched?
Speaker 1: People have reached out to me to say they think
Speaker 1: that that is an element here. If you believe the
Speaker 1: Tates are being railroaded, and we need to say that's
Speaker 1: an if do would you believe that the Bidenministra Asian
Speaker 1: may have a hand in that. I think that it's
Speaker 1: more subtle than that. I think that, just like the
Speaker 1: DNC doesn't have to tell Twitter to take take things down,
Speaker 1: the FBI does. I think with the Tates, you had
Speaker 1: guys who were trying to be basically tweet out rap
Speaker 1: lyrics right whenever people go, oh, here's this horrible video
Speaker 1: way Andrew take I say, you know what, if you're
Speaker 1: like me and you want to ban pornography and you
Speaker 1: don't believe rap music should be listened to because you
Speaker 1: think you're hypnotizing yourself to negive lyrics. If you want
Speaker 1: to ban I don't know what you heard about me,
Speaker 1: but I'm a pimp from the radio, then I'm really
Speaker 1: interested in what you have to say about offensive videos.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna ban Snoop Dogg the pimp. We're gonna
Speaker 1: be in all that rap music that talks about pimping. Right,
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, you don't want to do that. Oh
Speaker 1: you don't want to be in pornography or less interesting.
Speaker 1: So you participate in pornography, your watch it. But then
Speaker 1: if a man is involved in the production, now he's
Speaker 1: a rumor trafficker. Even if the woman said you willingly
Speaker 1: did it, and if you talk like a rapper, then
Speaker 1: that has to be taken is true? But rap music, right,
Speaker 1: you see, there's no coherence to it. So what I
Speaker 1: think happened is pretty simple. You're the Tates. You want
Speaker 1: to get known, You make exaggerated claims, and then you
Speaker 1: start saying that you're bribing government officials that you're not
Speaker 1: really bribing. What do you think is going to happen? Right?
Speaker 1: That falls into the category of what do you think
Speaker 1: is going to happen? You're embarrassing people, You're embarrassing powerful people.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you that there are people on the right
Speaker 1: who when Tate was talking about how the corruption works
Speaker 1: in his favor and this just I draw in my
Speaker 1: background in the CIA and learning a lot about other governments,
Speaker 1: which is the most fascinating part of being in the CIA,
Speaker 1: because obviously we got a lot of info, you know,
Speaker 1: other government, We do have more sophisticated technology, We do
Speaker 1: get a view that they don't want us to have obviously.
Speaker 1: And the one thing that will get you in trouble
Speaker 1: in a corrupt country is bragging about the corruption in
Speaker 1: that country that you say is in your favor. That
Speaker 1: that's like, it's like the first rule of fight club
Speaker 1: is never talking about fight club. You're in a corrupt country,
Speaker 1: Eastern Europe, anywhere else in the world, and it's working
Speaker 1: out for you, It's going to stop working out for
Speaker 1: you the moment that you say, oh, yeah, the corruption
Speaker 1: here benefits me. I think. I think the tates that's
Speaker 1: a that's a lesson from this process, irrespective of everything else,
Speaker 1: you know, the whether they're pressure being brought to bear
Speaker 1: to bring these charges, etc. Whether they're guilty or not,
Speaker 1: which I don't know and I don't profess to know, um,
Speaker 1: but I do think that you don't want to talk
Speaker 1: about corruption in a corrupt country if you're if you're
Speaker 1: planning on staying there, right, if you're really doing it too,
Speaker 1: which makes me believe that they it was just I
Speaker 1: think it was just all an act. I thought there.
Speaker 1: I think they're trying to be real life rappers. They were,
Speaker 1: they were mimicking what rappers say and that because if
Speaker 1: you're really bribing people and bragging about it, then I
Speaker 1: have to reconsider my view of you, right, And there's
Speaker 1: nothing about the Tates that indicates that they're not that
Speaker 1: they're low IQ. Right. You can say they're evil, you
Speaker 1: can say you can say whatever, that's a moral judgment.
Speaker 1: You can say they're evil, but nobody has ever said
Speaker 1: they're not that. I don't know Tristan really, but I
Speaker 1: mean i've just from what I've seen in interviews with Andrew,
Speaker 1: he's a he's clearly a high IQ individual like that.
Speaker 1: That is obvious. Right, So if you're high IQ, you're
Speaker 1: bribing government officials, would brag about bribing government officials, right,
Speaker 1: That's kind of how I see it. And then, of
Speaker 1: course people who don't like the Tastes have to wrestle
Speaker 1: with the corruption issue, namely that the Tastes were arrested
Speaker 1: in March twenty twenty they were released the next day
Speaker 1: because apparently video evidence cleared them. Then they get re
Speaker 1: arrested in December. Okay, so was Ukraine corrupt in March
Speaker 1: when they let them go? Are they corrupt? Now? Why
Speaker 1: aren't they being tried? Why are they being held? You know,
Speaker 1: because Ukraine has this weird system where you can be
Speaker 1: charged but not really tried. Is this limit? Yeah, remain there,
Speaker 1: They're in remaining and they can be held. I think
Speaker 1: you can be held. I read that you can be
Speaker 1: held for up to a year without actually having a trial.
Speaker 1: A year I mean now J six J six defendants
Speaker 1: can apparently in DC be held for about eighteen months
Speaker 1: in solitary for in some cases non violent crimes. So
Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna poke it romaaning on this one
Speaker 1: and say, oh my god, oh my god. But as
Speaker 1: we know, if you get on the wrong side of
Speaker 1: the deep state in this country, that can happen to you.
Speaker 1: But I wanted to ask you though, on a more
Speaker 1: on a more positive and constructive note, four young men,
Speaker 1: because one thing, one thing that I can tell does
Speaker 1: really rattle the left is when young men have this
Speaker 1: moment of recognition that the left wants them to be miserable, unhappy,
Speaker 1: week controlled and uh, you know effectively, you know, low T,
Speaker 1: low IQ, do what you're told, triple mass, get your
Speaker 1: seventh booster shot, and you know, sit there, call yourself
Speaker 1: a male feminist. Don't excel, don't exceed, don't you know,
Speaker 1: suppress all your masculine urges. And the right actually has people,
Speaker 1: by the way, like you and others who are saying, no,
Speaker 1: actually being a man is what you are meant to do,
Speaker 1: and that that inspires I think young men. I think
Speaker 1: there's something important there. Well, that's where I had to
Speaker 1: thread the needle that I find interesting too about the
Speaker 1: Tate thing, because the Tates were giving a message of
Speaker 1: that I don't even agree with, which is, oh, you
Speaker 1: need a car, need the watches, you need the swag.
Speaker 1: And I realized they were just doing that for marketing.
Speaker 1: So that's why I think the Tate thing is such
Speaker 1: an interesting phenomena, because a right wing critique of the
Speaker 1: Tates would be, well, if you're chasing watches and cars,
Speaker 1: you're actually chasing left wing secular hedonism, right, You're not.
Speaker 1: You're not teaching. And I realized it takes it more
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna have the tape people, Matt, I love
Speaker 1: this because I'm gonna have the Tate haters man, because
Speaker 1: they're gonna say I defended him, and I'm going to
Speaker 1: have to take super fans mad because they're saying that
Speaker 1: I'm like somehow attacking them. Right. But the way I
Speaker 1: look at it is that we I You know, you
Speaker 1: don't ever see me front and you don't ever see
Speaker 1: me flexing. You don't want to do that. Which you
Speaker 1: want to teach young men is find your purpose, find
Speaker 1: your mission. You're allowed to have one. You don't have
Speaker 1: to live for women, because too much of a conservative
Speaker 1: Christian movement, unfortunately, is oh, you're a man, you know
Speaker 1: your job is to be like a pack mule, loads
Speaker 1: yourself up and well where it's not even necessarily biblical, right,
Speaker 1: So where are you even getting at the Bible. So
Speaker 1: there's a there's a third way, which is masculinity is
Speaker 1: about finding your mission and finding your purpose, waking up
Speaker 1: and trying to accomplish something right, trying to fight with
Speaker 1: the dragons, trying to wrestle with the oppression, trying to
Speaker 1: have some vibe right, some aura. So much of that,
Speaker 1: so much of it is a feeling and that's what
Speaker 1: men not only need to be told, but that's what
Speaker 1: people like us have to try to model in our
Speaker 1: own way, which is, hey, look, man, you're gonna get
Speaker 1: beat up. People are gonna say stuff about you. This nasty.
Speaker 1: I've been attacked over lines of blue and tape. Imagine
Speaker 1: the same three weeks you're attacked for allegedly the human
Speaker 1: trafficking thing, and then allegedly for knowing somebody who is
Speaker 1: allegedly maybe has an alternative narrative on her own traffing story, right,
Speaker 1: and but you just but that's where you just as
Speaker 1: a man, you just say, man, this is part of life. Right.
Speaker 1: How lucky it is that we get to do this
Speaker 1: all day and we get to take these attacks. Imagine
Speaker 1: how our lives could have ended up so differently or
Speaker 1: so much less interesting than I do think that's important.
Speaker 1: I do think that the same way that if you
Speaker 1: believe in you know the duality that is that essential
Speaker 1: to our existence. Right, If you believe in heaven, you
Speaker 1: believe in hell. If you believe in good, you believe
Speaker 1: in evil. With those with the basic framework for understanding
Speaker 1: or day to day lives in place or our existence,
Speaker 1: I should say you're going to piss some people off,
Speaker 1: because if there are if there's evil in the world,
Speaker 1: there are people doing evil, and if you're going to
Speaker 1: do something about it, you're going to upset those who
Speaker 1: are wrong. You're going to upset those who are making
Speaker 1: the world a worst place. So, while you know, I
Speaker 1: don't go out there looking to stick my thumb in
Speaker 1: the eye of people, there are people whose hatred or
Speaker 1: disdain or whatever is a badge of honor. And I
Speaker 1: do feel that way, right And you know you're smiling.
Speaker 1: You do enjoy poking your finger. It's okay to admit that, Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's true, Okay to tell It's okay to tell men
Speaker 1: you know what, conflict is good, but it needs to
Speaker 1: be conflict for the right cause rights. It's okay to
Speaker 1: have a little bit of indignation if it's righteous Indi Nation.
Speaker 1: It's not okay to be a Karen. It's not okay
Speaker 1: to be crying over nonsense. It's not okay to hate
Speaker 1: women or to say because you have some bad dating
Speaker 1: experiences at all, women are like that or is. And
Speaker 1: it's not okay to just be a pack mule, to
Speaker 1: let get walked on either conflict is okay, but you
Speaker 1: need to again find that purpose within yourself elf and
Speaker 1: then find out that this is a righteous cause, and
Speaker 1: then conflict is good and it's necessary, and I think
Speaker 1: it's very healthy and it's very masculine. One thing I
Speaker 1: want to ask you about. You know, there's this trend
Speaker 1: I'm sure you've seen of women shaming men for allegedly
Speaker 1: looking at them in the gym, right if you've seen this,
Speaker 1: and this has got a lot of attention recently. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of things I would say by this. I
Speaker 1: mean I go to a gym down here in Florida
Speaker 1: where I've never experienced this before in New York City,
Speaker 1: but there are a lot of women in the gym
Speaker 1: who are you know. I just got married recently too,
Speaker 1: so I've got the blinder song. But there are a
Speaker 1: lot of women in the gym who are influencers. Some
Speaker 1: of them are known to other Jim staffers, for example,
Speaker 1: as having very lucrative only fans careers, things like that,
Speaker 1: and so that's very common here in South Florida at
Speaker 1: certain gyms. You're just gonna look at this where for
Speaker 1: people look a certain way, they have to spend a
Speaker 1: certain amount of time in the gym, and I get
Speaker 1: all that, but I worry that women are are not
Speaker 1: being given good messages and a variety of ways about
Speaker 1: their beauty, and that it is now being it is
Speaker 1: now thought of more than ever as a commodity, meaning
Speaker 1: the monetizeable, that your sexuality and your beauty as a
Speaker 1: woman is a monetizeable asset first and foremost beyond anything
Speaker 1: else instead of something. So yes, of course, be charity.
Speaker 1: You know you have a lovely wife. I have a
Speaker 1: lovely wife. I would say, you know, you can trust
Speaker 1: a guy with a lovely wife. But that's the point
Speaker 1: is actually to to appreciate beauty and too also to
Speaker 1: see it for what it is. And for a lot
Speaker 1: of these women, I think to find a great I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, we're supposed to say life partner, but husband,
Speaker 1: I mean to find somebody to build a life with.
Speaker 1: And attraction is important in all of this. And I
Speaker 1: just think that now you have a lot of these
Speaker 1: women who one are very insecure even though they're very
Speaker 1: good looking, because there there's a hyper focus on it
Speaker 1: because of social media. And two it's just like an
Speaker 1: ATM machine now and they wait until they're forty and
Speaker 1: then they turn around they're like, well, I'm so beautiful
Speaker 1: now I want my husband gets a lot harder. Well,
Speaker 1: it gets yeah, it gets a lot harder for a man. Two.
Speaker 1: And that's something that I've noticed that when you watch videos.
Speaker 1: One actually good TikTok trend is they go and ask
Speaker 1: older people, oh, how old are you, and they'll say,
Speaker 1: I'm sixty five. What's sixty five feel like? And one
Speaker 1: of the themes is that you see the world the
Speaker 1: same way, but you're old now, right, And if you're
Speaker 1: a man, you usually have more self awareness and realize, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm an old, old guy now. And for
Speaker 1: oftentimes the women, it's harder to make that transition, which
Speaker 1: is in your mind, like you know, you're forty one
Speaker 1: on forty five, and our minds were still like twenty five, right,
Speaker 1: And that's actually how men get injured doing things because
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, I no, no. My wife asked me
Speaker 1: earlier to climb a tree and I was like, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to climb that tree. She goes, well, I
Speaker 1: go because if I fall down, I'm gonna hurt. Man.
Speaker 1: You know, if I were we're still there. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: keep going. Yeah, And so the world looks at you differently,
Speaker 1: and a lot of people have to accept that. But
Speaker 1: as to the gym thing, it's like a lingerat show Man.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it really is ridiculous. One gem I going. I
Speaker 1: started going on a different hour because I don't I
Speaker 1: don't want to just have those curient thoughts like I
Speaker 1: don't watch pornography. I try to avoid the ig. I
Speaker 1: changed my algorithm so I don't see you know, all
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. Go ahead, No, no, no no, I
Speaker 1: don't want to interrupt you. I just I think this
Speaker 1: is so important for men while while while promoting masculinity.
Speaker 1: And look, I'm the first to admit I drank too
Speaker 1: much in my twenties. I should have worked out more,
Speaker 1: I should have gotten more sleep, you know, twenties in
Speaker 1: into my thirties, I you know that there were some
Speaker 1: things that I would change definitely about my behavior. I
Speaker 1: will say I've actually never said this before on radio
Speaker 1: or on podcasts, but I made the decision, maybe it
Speaker 1: was about fifteen years ago, to just just no pornography,
Speaker 1: just like not you know, just no pornography, because I
Speaker 1: really started to feel like there was a desensitization that
Speaker 1: occurs from it where you can appreciate, you know, just
Speaker 1: everyday female beauty. And I think that it really does
Speaker 1: damaging things to the male mind. Um if especially if
Speaker 1: you make it a habit of looking at at pornography.
Speaker 1: And I still feel like to this day when you
Speaker 1: say that, people think, oh, are you like, are you
Speaker 1: a puritan? Do you wear like the shoes with the
Speaker 1: little buckles on them? Whatever? It's like but appured in
Speaker 1: at all. I'man sitting here talking about like hot chicks
Speaker 1: in the gym. But but I do think that every
Speaker 1: you know, that that balance and context and and understanding
Speaker 1: habits in which are habituated to as a man is
Speaker 1: really important and it's and it's the grating too, I think.
Speaker 1: So for me, I went through large phases where I
Speaker 1: didn't I didn't watch yet, and then I would get
Speaker 1: in a bad phase and then I wouldn't watch it,
Speaker 1: and then I just gave it up once and for
Speaker 1: all because it just not to be too crude. But
Speaker 1: I just I think it's undignified to turn on a
Speaker 1: laptop and get moisturized. It's just disgusting. You're like, this
Speaker 1: is just like there there's if there's a night and
Speaker 1: I'm eating a bag of chips on the couch, I'm
Speaker 1: just like, you're a disgusting person, you know, like, who
Speaker 1: are you like? And I get up and you know,
Speaker 1: there's just an idea that if you're a man, you
Speaker 1: should have some kind of basic level of dignity. And
Speaker 1: you know, laying around with pringles in your face, it's
Speaker 1: just a gross way to live. And the same thing too,
Speaker 1: is up gonna fire up the old laptop. That's gross. Man,
Speaker 1: you don't want to live like that, right, You are
Speaker 1: capable of so much more as a man. How do you?
Speaker 1: Totally I totally agree with you. And I think that
Speaker 1: people on the right should feel more just, people in
Speaker 1: general should feel guys in general should feel more comfortable
Speaker 1: talking about how the I think one of the ways
Speaker 1: that the apparatus tries to control you is actually is
Speaker 1: actually through the desensitization of the twenty four seven access
Speaker 1: to pornography, and the normal is a of that. Like
Speaker 1: there's just you know, for a long time, people forget
Speaker 1: there was more porn being watched on the Internet than
Speaker 1: literally anything else I mean, right, and again, I know
Speaker 1: it sounds like I'm like, you know, like church lady, like,
Speaker 1: why are all the people watching the porn? It's like, no,
Speaker 1: that's not That's not what I'm trying to say. I'm
Speaker 1: trying to say it's not good for the guys who
Speaker 1: are doing it. As somebody who appreciates female beauty and
Speaker 1: thinks that you know, having a you know, having an
Speaker 1: attractive girlfriend or a wife or whatever something that should
Speaker 1: be aspirational for men. And you know, attractiveness is in
Speaker 1: the eye of the beholder and all that, and I
Speaker 1: get that too, but um, I think that this is
Speaker 1: an area where there could be a lot, a lot
Speaker 1: more done. Mike. I could talk to you for like
Speaker 1: three hours, but I'm not quite at the level yet,
Speaker 1: like like the Rogan three hour long podcast, So we're
Speaker 1: gonna have to have you back further time. I just
Speaker 1: wanted what what what it makes you feel positive about
Speaker 1: the future, and that you think people should hear, And
Speaker 1: then I want you to tell everybody where they should
Speaker 1: go to follow your work and just sort of see
Speaker 1: what you're what you're up to these days. Well, what
Speaker 1: makes me feel positive about the future is always remember
Speaker 1: what had the one hundredth anniversary. Well recently we had
Speaker 1: the one hundredth anniversary of the end of World War One,
Speaker 1: and I always encourage people to go read about that
Speaker 1: war and what our lives would have been like if
Speaker 1: we had been a draftable age, and that in the
Speaker 1: Battle of Psalm, and learn more and more and more
Speaker 1: about World War One. Do you have a favorite World
Speaker 1: War One book? Yeah, Paul Fussell wrote a book. He
Speaker 1: also wrote a book class about it. And I forget
Speaker 1: the book title, but Paul Fussell's book on World War
Speaker 1: One is my favorite because I sent a lot of
Speaker 1: poetry and a lot of the literary devices at the time,
Speaker 1: and the death tolls are literally incomprehensible. Would be like,
Speaker 1: right now, well that happened, Okay, it's one hundred thousand
Speaker 1: men dead. That makes me optimistic. Also why we have
Speaker 1: to make sure we don't bumble our way into it
Speaker 1: with Russia and Ukraine, because we bumbled into it. So
Speaker 1: that is really is still the best time to be alive. Man.
Speaker 1: All this, oh there's a war on men. This all
Speaker 1: that true? You would still never ever ever have one
Speaker 1: have been born in another air because there's a man
Speaker 1: You can create your own destiny, right, I don't believe
Speaker 1: in living the life of a Heatonist. But if you
Speaker 1: wanted to live a life of Roman emperor as a man,
Speaker 1: you could. You could do that. And don't do that, guys,
Speaker 1: I don't think that's a good way to live, but
Speaker 1: you could. There's no there's never been a time in
Speaker 1: the history of the world where you, as a man
Speaker 1: can really choose your own adventure if you want to
Speaker 1: work for it. And every day I'm grateful because look
Speaker 1: at us, we're talking like this. Now, this would have
Speaker 1: been impossible. We'd have been working the fields as medieval peasants, right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're hanging out talking and hundreds of thousands of people
Speaker 1: are gonna hear our conversation, maybe benefit from it a
Speaker 1: little bit and be able to say, you know, I
Speaker 1: learned something or I have a different perspective on things.
Speaker 1: And we didn't even have to leave our houses to
Speaker 1: do it. It's really pretty crazy. And then people are
Speaker 1: able to listen to so even if they have a
Speaker 1: job that's maybe a little bit boring, Well, I had
Speaker 1: boring jobs too, and you didn't have pot. You had
Speaker 1: a portable CD player if you were lucky, a walkman
Speaker 1: or something. So there's never been a better time to
Speaker 1: be alive, and people should recognize that which they follow
Speaker 1: all things Cernovich. My substack is pretty good Mike Cernovich
Speaker 1: dot substack dot com and then Twitter at Cernovich. But
Speaker 1: the substack we're doing things very little politics. They are
Speaker 1: much more culture, family, trying to scare things in a
Speaker 1: different direction. Awesome, Mike, great talking to you man. Ever
Speaker 1: since we hung out that time at the Trump Hotel,
Speaker 1: I figure we're going to be able to do a
Speaker 1: long form and we'll have you back because there's a
Speaker 1: lot more I'm sure people, and I hope people will
Speaker 1: tell me what else they want you and me to
Speaker 1: talk about in the future, and as this podcast continues
Speaker 1: to grow in addition to you know, the radio show
Speaker 1: I do, which fortunately is rather substantial, So we're going
Speaker 1: to keep keep this going. Mike, thank you so much
Speaker 1: for your time, and it's great to see you. Thanks. Brother,