WEBVTT - Mike Cernovich - Hard Truths in Trump World 0:00:11.657 --> 0:00:14.937 You're listening to The Buck Sexton Show podcast, make sure 0:00:14.937 --> 0:00:17.977 you subscribe to the podcast on the iHeartRadio app or 0:00:17.977 --> 0:00:21.297 wherever you get your podcasts. Hey everybody, Welcome to another 0:00:21.337 --> 0:00:25.777 episode of The Buck Sexton Show. We're joined by Mike Sernovich. 0:00:25.897 --> 0:00:31.057 He is an independent journalist, commentator, or filmmaker, a man 0:00:31.137 --> 0:00:33.737 of many talents and abilities and has a lot to 0:00:33.737 --> 0:00:36.177 talk to us about today. Mike, first time on the show. 0:00:36.257 --> 0:00:40.457 Welcome sir, Thank you my pleasure. So I gotta ask you, 0:00:41.057 --> 0:00:43.857 how are we doing these days on the right? When 0:00:43.857 --> 0:00:45.937 people ask you that question or when you think about that, 0:00:46.017 --> 0:00:48.497 what are the first things that come to mind? Well, 0:00:48.497 --> 0:00:50.217 the first thing that comes to mind is they did 0:00:50.257 --> 0:00:52.857 when a mid term with the House, and they did 0:00:52.977 --> 0:00:59.097 get a popular vote majority, which mattered of course before 0:00:59.217 --> 0:01:01.697 the current time. Right, Well, they won the popular vote 0:01:01.697 --> 0:01:05.177 for the House. That's the good news. The other good 0:01:05.177 --> 0:01:08.057 news is the Senate is looking good in twenty twenty four. 0:01:09.257 --> 0:01:13.217 Republicans can take that the you know, on the other hand, 0:01:13.977 --> 0:01:22.137 there's a lack of purpose and mission caused by an 0:01:22.137 --> 0:01:26.417 obsession with the twenty twenty election that like just won't 0:01:26.417 --> 0:01:30.337 go away. So you have a number of people myself included, 0:01:30.457 --> 0:01:33.457 and I'm becoming more of a dinosaur who says I mean, 0:01:33.497 --> 0:01:37.377 of course, every you can read about the Jfkle election, 0:01:37.937 --> 0:01:40.617 you can read about Bush versus Gore. Democrats had their 0:01:40.657 --> 0:01:44.297 opinion on that, of course, but you have to move 0:01:44.337 --> 0:01:46.097 on or you have to have some kind of solution. 0:01:46.137 --> 0:01:49.617 You can't dwell on it. And the right is currently 0:01:50.017 --> 0:01:53.337 obsessed with it and will not let it go. And 0:01:53.457 --> 0:01:56.297 anyone who doesn't think that's the most important issue as 0:01:56.337 --> 0:02:01.537 a traitor controlled opposition not ready for the moment. And 0:02:01.617 --> 0:02:05.657 that's people saying that as a large percentage of the 0:02:05.777 --> 0:02:10.457 voting bates, that's a huge problem. And I don't know what, 0:02:10.657 --> 0:02:13.177 if anything, is going to be done about that problem. Yeah, 0:02:13.177 --> 0:02:15.817 I was gonna ask you what you said, a huge percentage? 0:02:17.297 --> 0:02:19.897 What percent of the GOP base would you estimate based 0:02:19.897 --> 0:02:24.537 on your interactions with them, are completely and unalterably, at 0:02:24.577 --> 0:02:27.457 least for now, committed to the idea that Donald Trump 0:02:27.977 --> 0:02:31.737 won in twenty twenty, and therefore a replay of twenty 0:02:31.817 --> 0:02:35.497 twenty in terms of strategy, candidate, everything would be to 0:02:35.577 --> 0:02:40.897 our advantage. I would say ten to twenty. Yeah, that 0:02:40.897 --> 0:02:43.657 would be. That would be my guests as well, is 0:02:43.657 --> 0:02:45.697 there what would have taken me? So so when I 0:02:45.737 --> 0:02:48.617 have people, for example, calling on radio and I'll bring 0:02:48.737 --> 0:02:54.817 up I think Georgia is a perfect microcosm of this. Right, 0:02:54.857 --> 0:02:57.217 I think there are some states where you can look 0:02:57.257 --> 0:03:00.097 and see and say, hold on a second. We were 0:03:00.137 --> 0:03:04.177 able to win all but a race that was very 0:03:04.257 --> 0:03:10.537 much associated with Donald Trump and with twenty twenty election issues. 0:03:10.737 --> 0:03:12.377 And I'm not somebody thinks it was a clean election. 0:03:12.417 --> 0:03:15.457 But to me, that becomes irrelevant at some point unless 0:03:15.457 --> 0:03:17.977 we're talking about fixes to the election. Do you think 0:03:18.017 --> 0:03:21.777 there's anything Is this an unfalsifiable claim? Now for many people, 0:03:21.937 --> 0:03:26.697 the twenty twenty election was stolen and therefore it doesn't matter. 0:03:27.017 --> 0:03:29.257 We just have to have Donald Trump again because he'll 0:03:29.297 --> 0:03:33.537 win this time. There's so there's two elements to that. 0:03:33.617 --> 0:03:36.257 One is the people who I don't think are annoying 0:03:36.297 --> 0:03:39.537 who say, hey, man, it was taken from Trump unjustly, 0:03:39.977 --> 0:03:43.457 let him have another rematch. I don't actually get upset 0:03:43.497 --> 0:03:44.937 by that point of view. I don't agree with that, 0:03:44.977 --> 0:03:48.337 I think wrong, but that's within the realm of reasonable 0:03:48.337 --> 0:03:52.377 dis chorus. But there's fortunately it's not ten percent, but 0:03:52.417 --> 0:03:54.697 it's probably one to three percent who would say, well, buck, 0:03:55.137 --> 0:04:00.497 you bring up Georgia. But that's because they the voting machine. 0:04:00.537 --> 0:04:03.977 People let these Republicans win. That's what they'll tell you. 0:04:04.257 --> 0:04:08.817 That there's control now to a level of granularity where 0:04:08.857 --> 0:04:11.697 they can say, Okay, let this guy Republican win and 0:04:11.737 --> 0:04:13.457 that one win, but we're not going to let that 0:04:13.497 --> 0:04:18.937 one win. Those people drive me insane. Honestly, they not insane, 0:04:18.937 --> 0:04:22.137 but they annoy me the way Internet spam annoys me. 0:04:22.497 --> 0:04:25.657 And there's no reaching them. That's the bigger problem too. 0:04:25.697 --> 0:04:27.817 So within that subset of the ten to twenty percent 0:04:28.257 --> 0:04:31.457 we think we have to redo twenty twenty is say, 0:04:32.137 --> 0:04:35.937 a percentage of people who they're not open to reason. 0:04:36.017 --> 0:04:37.937 You can't say, hey, look we just had an election, 0:04:38.737 --> 0:04:42.017 barely one why they barely won. Will Florida that map? 0:04:42.337 --> 0:04:47.137 We now have people attacking de Santas's redistricting map in Florida, 0:04:47.217 --> 0:04:49.777 which is the only reason the House has a majority 0:04:50.217 --> 0:04:52.257 right because Lee's Alvin pulled a few people up in 0:04:52.257 --> 0:04:54.857 New York to Santas is actually in federal court or 0:04:54.857 --> 0:04:58.497 will be soon because when the Florida legislator drew up 0:04:58.537 --> 0:05:02.017 the map, it didn't give Republicans much of an advantage, 0:05:02.097 --> 0:05:04.617 but because the state had changed, it was an unjust map. 0:05:04.897 --> 0:05:06.577 The Santas said no, we need to do a new 0:05:06.657 --> 0:05:10.577 map and did a new map. So it's barely a 0:05:10.577 --> 0:05:15.297 Republican majority. That's because himselve in in the Santas, not 0:05:15.337 --> 0:05:18.617 because of Trump. Trump seemed to have dragged down people 0:05:18.657 --> 0:05:21.977 who couldn't let go of the twenty twenty election, and 0:05:22.057 --> 0:05:24.817 that would be the logical case that I make. No 0:05:24.857 --> 0:05:26.577 that they're having you know, they're having none of it. 0:05:26.897 --> 0:05:28.577 Can can I ask you, you know, as a guy 0:05:28.657 --> 0:05:34.377 who I think certainly became known in conservative circles in 0:05:34.417 --> 0:05:38.257 the Trump era and relating specifically to twenty sixteen and 0:05:39.297 --> 0:05:42.897 the rise of the Trump movement, are you accused? Like? 0:05:42.937 --> 0:05:44.617 What are what are people who are very who are 0:05:44.657 --> 0:05:47.257 so pro Trump that they don't want to hear or 0:05:47.297 --> 0:05:50.577 they don't believe some of the arguments you're making. Is 0:05:50.577 --> 0:05:53.937 the response that you've you've turned on Trump. It just 0:05:53.977 --> 0:05:57.137 feels like you would have the credibility to say I 0:05:57.217 --> 0:05:59.337 still think a lot of what Trump did is great, 0:05:59.457 --> 0:06:03.777 and I appreciate Trump, but I at this on this issue, 0:06:03.897 --> 0:06:07.017 I break from some of the narrative. Right, do you 0:06:07.017 --> 0:06:10.817 get any leeway for that, well, I do from people 0:06:10.817 --> 0:06:13.657 who know right. You don't see a lot of people 0:06:13.657 --> 0:06:17.217 who are insiders saying too much because what I say 0:06:17.337 --> 0:06:21.457 is actually true. But then the funny criticism of me 0:06:21.697 --> 0:06:24.577 is and this is again because of maybe the way 0:06:24.577 --> 0:06:27.177 that people are spoken to who are Trump motors. You're 0:06:27.177 --> 0:06:29.457 either Trump or you're never Trump. And if you're never Trump, 0:06:29.457 --> 0:06:33.217 you're the dispatch. And no, what do you do with 0:06:33.217 --> 0:06:37.377 a guy who is hated by the never trumpers despies. 0:06:37.537 --> 0:06:40.417 I'm sure you knew, especially in twenty sixteen, I was hated, 0:06:41.137 --> 0:06:44.817 and because I was pretty ferocious, I ruffled a lot 0:06:44.857 --> 0:06:48.337 of feathers. Twenty seventeen, still pretty hated because I was 0:06:48.377 --> 0:06:52.097 pro Trump and I was knocking metaphorically knocking heads of 0:06:52.137 --> 0:06:57.097 these dishonest conservative pipe piper leaders right. So to me, 0:06:57.257 --> 0:06:59.697 if I were Trump people, I would be worried. I 0:06:59.737 --> 0:07:03.857 would say, Okay, we know where Cerovic was. He's not 0:07:04.097 --> 0:07:09.017 there now. He's so far over Trump, and we need 0:07:09.017 --> 0:07:10.937 to find out why, and we need to fix up 0:07:10.937 --> 0:07:13.697 with the inter is that they don't want to engage 0:07:13.697 --> 0:07:16.137 with realities. So the realities I sent you an article 0:07:16.537 --> 0:07:20.457 from twenty seventeen Foreign Policy magazine. So people go, you know, 0:07:20.577 --> 0:07:22.657 especially people who are new to politics, go, cernam it. 0:07:22.737 --> 0:07:26.057 You're never Trumper, You're a nobody, You're a loser without 0:07:26.097 --> 0:07:28.777 Trump or nothing, blah blah blah. And here's all I 0:07:28.777 --> 0:07:33.417 gotta say. I was under federal investigation by the National 0:07:33.417 --> 0:07:39.297 Security Advisor hr McMaster because my reporting into the sabotage 0:07:39.377 --> 0:07:43.417 efforts directed at Trump were so truthful and effective that 0:07:43.497 --> 0:07:46.337 they wanted to shut me down. The Ukraine whistle blower 0:07:46.377 --> 0:07:50.257 who came up during that impeachment trial. I reported that 0:07:50.377 --> 0:07:53.337 this person was looking to get Trump set up on something, 0:07:53.457 --> 0:07:55.697 or to figure something out, or to find a way 0:07:55.697 --> 0:07:57.577 to get Trump out of office. I reported that in 0:07:57.617 --> 0:08:00.737 twenty seventeen, the name and everything which you can't even 0:08:00.777 --> 0:08:04.737 say lo and behold the name resurfaces. And oh, the 0:08:04.777 --> 0:08:08.177 same guy that I said in twenty seventeen was was 0:08:08.217 --> 0:08:11.857 gonna be a problem. Oh so years twenty seventeen, two 0:08:11.937 --> 0:08:14.297 years later, now you're in trouble for something that I 0:08:14.417 --> 0:08:16.537 warned you about. So when people come at me with 0:08:16.577 --> 0:08:22.097 these ridiculous slander at this point, the idea that that 0:08:22.297 --> 0:08:26.217 um that I'm a never Trumper who doesn't know anything, 0:08:26.697 --> 0:08:29.857 it's actually the opposite. I was such a pro Trumper 0:08:30.617 --> 0:08:34.297 and I was explaining what was being done to sabotage 0:08:34.337 --> 0:08:37.057 Trump when he could have reversed chorus, and they didn't 0:08:37.097 --> 0:08:40.177 want to listen. So then in twenty eighteen, I said, 0:08:40.217 --> 0:08:42.937 I'm pretty much over this guy. There there's no real 0:08:42.977 --> 0:08:46.097 point and in doing this, right, what was the point 0:08:46.137 --> 0:08:49.257 of Trump Agenda? I'm sorry my guess. I mean, did 0:08:49.257 --> 0:08:55.377 did the Trump Agenda get subverted by people that Trump 0:08:55.417 --> 0:08:59.617 brought into his orbit? Or was the apparatus and the 0:08:59.657 --> 0:09:03.297 deep state and the and the Democrat media just too 0:09:03.457 --> 0:09:06.257 much so that the promises were not able to be 0:09:06.297 --> 0:09:09.577 seen through? Right? What was it within Trump's control or 0:09:09.697 --> 0:09:12.177 was it external forces that are too much for anyone 0:09:12.657 --> 0:09:15.657 to be able to break through to fulfill all the 0:09:15.737 --> 0:09:19.737 promises or even the biggest promises of the agenda build 0:09:19.777 --> 0:09:23.617 the wall, for example. Well, you know the answer to that. 0:09:23.697 --> 0:09:26.137 You were at Trump DC, and I'm sure you heard 0:09:26.457 --> 0:09:28.297 because we are there in the same era. The same 0:09:28.297 --> 0:09:30.977 thing that I heard is the only way to get 0:09:31.057 --> 0:09:33.217 hired and the Trump administration is to prove that you 0:09:33.257 --> 0:09:36.577 were never Trumper. In twenty sixteen and twenty fifteen, that 0:09:36.777 --> 0:09:39.097 was the quote unquote joke. Do you want a job 0:09:39.137 --> 0:09:41.097 in the Trump administration, you better prove that you were 0:09:41.137 --> 0:09:43.577 never Trump during his campaign and we saw it over 0:09:43.617 --> 0:09:46.337 and over and over again. Who they put in charge 0:09:46.377 --> 0:09:48.697 of things at State Department. You know, you can talk 0:09:48.737 --> 0:09:51.017 to people like Amanda Militis is still loyal to Trump. 0:09:51.057 --> 0:09:53.417 She's still called him the president. She's still loyal. But 0:09:53.577 --> 0:09:56.337 you can ask her and she'll tell you, because again, 0:09:56.377 --> 0:09:59.057 what I say is not dishonest. They'll all tell you, 0:09:59.097 --> 0:10:01.377 Oh yeah, the people who are put in control, we're 0:10:01.417 --> 0:10:03.377 all never Trumpers. And people would go and say, why 0:10:03.417 --> 0:10:06.377 are you hiring never Trumpers? And Trump would just sort 0:10:06.417 --> 0:10:09.177 of raised his hand, you know, yeah, how did that happen? 0:10:09.217 --> 0:10:11.817 Though you know you were there. How did that happen? 0:10:11.857 --> 0:10:15.657 How did never Trumpers take over the Trump administration? Seems bizarre. 0:10:17.177 --> 0:10:20.577 Trump never had any interest in getting into the weeds 0:10:20.777 --> 0:10:23.937 of how you create administration. Now. The excuse for that is, oh, 0:10:24.017 --> 0:10:26.177 when you come from the private sector, you hire people. 0:10:26.537 --> 0:10:28.977 Everybody shares a mission, everybody wants to make money. Oh, 0:10:28.977 --> 0:10:32.497 poor Trump was naive, which I hate that line. I'm 0:10:32.537 --> 0:10:34.777 forty five. I don't know how you old you are 0:10:35.057 --> 0:10:38.377 forty one? Yeah, if you talked about me like that, 0:10:38.417 --> 0:10:43.057 I'd be insulted. Oh, poor Mike, helpless, little baby, he 0:10:43.097 --> 0:10:47.257 didn't know, he's so naive. I would be insulted. And 0:10:47.257 --> 0:10:49.577 that's how people talk about Trump like he said geriatric. 0:10:49.777 --> 0:10:52.697 Oh he just didn't know how vicious it was gonna be. Well, 0:10:52.697 --> 0:10:54.297 he didn't. I mean, he had people telling him this. 0:10:54.897 --> 0:10:57.097 People like me were telling him this. A lot of people, 0:10:57.217 --> 0:10:59.897 probably people like you, were telling that to him, or 0:10:59.937 --> 0:11:01.777 a staff was at the very least, so there the 0:11:01.857 --> 0:11:04.857 whole always just he just never cared. He never gave 0:11:04.897 --> 0:11:07.977 a crap about sitting down and saying, Okay, I'm the president, 0:11:08.017 --> 0:11:10.857 now what can I do? How do I make this happen? 0:11:11.257 --> 0:11:13.777 He fell riding in the trap when firing flynned with 0:11:13.817 --> 0:11:17.297 the Russia Gate stuff. He was distracted by all of this, 0:11:17.537 --> 0:11:20.697 these chaotic land minds going off about him, instead of saying, 0:11:21.177 --> 0:11:23.897 why don't I just hire people who like me and 0:11:23.937 --> 0:11:26.377 support me? And then of course Mike Pompeo started getting 0:11:26.417 --> 0:11:29.057 the security clearance. This pool of Trump supporters I was 0:11:29.097 --> 0:11:32.177 supporting that at the time didn't matter. He wasn't protecting 0:11:32.217 --> 0:11:34.217 his staffers. They were getting walked out from the National 0:11:34.217 --> 0:11:37.257 Security Council one by one. It was like a joke, like, oh, 0:11:37.297 --> 0:11:40.817 who's getting fired today? Right? Rich Higgins rest in peace, 0:11:41.057 --> 0:11:44.497 who succumbed to various medical conditions a couple of years ago, 0:11:45.217 --> 0:11:48.177 was walked out of the National Security Council, brilliant guy 0:11:48.577 --> 0:11:50.857 because he was too hard on China. He wrote this 0:11:50.897 --> 0:11:53.897 memo explaining how China. All this is true. Now if 0:11:53.897 --> 0:11:57.137 you go read the Rich Higgens memo, everything he said 0:11:57.257 --> 0:11:59.497 is true. So Rich Higgins was warning people about the 0:11:59.497 --> 0:12:02.537 Confucius Institute. He was warning people about how China is 0:12:02.577 --> 0:12:06.097 subverting the country via you know, university, and for that 0:12:06.177 --> 0:12:09.577 he got fired, walked out. So why are people getting 0:12:09.577 --> 0:12:11.897 walked out? Can I just tell you one thing that 0:12:12.537 --> 0:12:14.497 when I was in the CIA, that I used to 0:12:14.537 --> 0:12:17.697 say when they found out finally that I was leaving, 0:12:17.737 --> 0:12:19.937 they reached out and I had I didn't leave under 0:12:20.017 --> 0:12:22.097 I wasn't angry or any of that. I just got, 0:12:22.297 --> 0:12:24.577 honestly a cooler opportunity for me at the time, which 0:12:24.577 --> 0:12:27.057 was the start of media career, which I wasn't looking for, 0:12:27.177 --> 0:12:28.617 but it found me. But I just remember telling them, 0:12:28.617 --> 0:12:30.377 I said, you know, guys, this is now, this is 0:12:30.377 --> 0:12:32.577 from an analyst side to be fair, but I said, 0:12:32.657 --> 0:12:34.777 one of the problems in our business, and I met 0:12:34.777 --> 0:12:39.697 this in the whole national security national security sphere overall. 0:12:40.057 --> 0:12:41.857 If I was in DC, i'd say written large, because 0:12:41.897 --> 0:12:43.737 everybody in DC has to say written large all the time, 0:12:43.777 --> 0:12:46.977 has sound serious. But one of the things was that 0:12:47.497 --> 0:12:51.257 being right in the in the long run, meaning to 0:12:51.377 --> 0:12:54.457 be truly right, doesn't matter. It's being right in the 0:12:54.537 --> 0:12:59.297 office with the policymaker at the time of the discussion, 0:12:59.417 --> 0:13:02.137 such that they like you and they want you back. 0:13:02.697 --> 0:13:04.857 The incentives are all wrong. And just to what you 0:13:04.897 --> 0:13:07.097 said about your friend, it doesn't matter who's right about 0:13:07.097 --> 0:13:09.457 the WMD, it doesn't matter who's right about us China, 0:13:09.577 --> 0:13:13.337 doesn't matter who. What matters is do the people making 0:13:13.377 --> 0:13:17.137 the decisions like you when you're a CIA officer, when 0:13:17.137 --> 0:13:22.177 you're an FBI, you know, senior counterintelligence guy. Whatever's that's 0:13:22.217 --> 0:13:24.217 why you have this This This plays out time and 0:13:24.217 --> 0:13:29.297 time again. Mike, Yeah, And people were explaining that to Trump, 0:13:29.297 --> 0:13:32.497 but again he had no interest in learning this. So 0:13:32.537 --> 0:13:34.657 that's why I bring up I hate to be the 0:13:34.697 --> 0:13:36.217 old guy who was well. Back when I was in 0:13:36.297 --> 0:13:39.457 high school, I scored four touchdowns that's not what this 0:13:39.537 --> 0:13:42.057 is about, right. The reliving and glory days, those are 0:13:42.097 --> 0:13:45.297 actually quite stress quite stressful actually, when the entire intelligence 0:13:45.297 --> 0:13:49.537 community has singled out you, a civilian for political and 0:13:49.777 --> 0:13:52.817 or worse style assassination. So it's not like a glory 0:13:52.897 --> 0:13:56.777 it's more like I put my neck on the line. 0:13:57.137 --> 0:13:59.857 All of these things I reported came out to be true. 0:14:00.297 --> 0:14:03.497 All of the excuses people make are not excuses. It's 0:14:03.537 --> 0:14:06.377 not Monday morning quarterbacking for me in twenty twenty two, 0:14:06.377 --> 0:14:09.297 to bring up twenty seventeen, when in twenty seventeen, I 0:14:09.537 --> 0:14:11.937 and other people but close to the president was saying, Hey, 0:14:12.057 --> 0:14:14.697 you got a problem here. You gotta get rid of 0:14:14.697 --> 0:14:18.257 certain people. Your loyal people are getting fired. They're trying 0:14:18.257 --> 0:14:21.937 to completely rework this into Hillary Clinton National Security Council. 0:14:21.937 --> 0:14:23.937 You better, you better handle your business, right. I'll tell you. 0:14:23.977 --> 0:14:26.177 One of my frustrations, Mike, real quick about this is 0:14:26.817 --> 0:14:30.417 that Trump brought me in in May of twenty twenty. 0:14:30.457 --> 0:14:31.777 I thought it was because I was one of the 0:14:31.777 --> 0:14:34.457 first people to say I don't know. There were some others, 0:14:34.457 --> 0:14:36.137 you know, my friend Jesse Kelly, and there were a 0:14:36.137 --> 0:14:38.777 few people who very early on April twenty twenty, were like, 0:14:38.777 --> 0:14:41.057 this is crazy, open up, no mask, this is insane. 0:14:41.137 --> 0:14:42.737 But I thought he want to talk about COVID, He 0:14:42.777 --> 0:14:46.057 want to talk about the intelligence community and some of 0:14:46.057 --> 0:14:48.217 the top people who were still in that I knew, 0:14:49.017 --> 0:14:52.497 you know, either personally or or well enough that I 0:14:52.497 --> 0:14:54.857 could weigh in on. And it was kind of funny. Now, granted, 0:14:54.857 --> 0:14:56.577 Trump thought he was gonna get four more years, so 0:14:56.617 --> 0:14:58.217 I respect, but there was a part of me that 0:14:58.257 --> 0:15:00.337 wanted to be like missus president, you know, you know 0:15:00.457 --> 0:15:02.137 me and he had known me since I was a kid. 0:15:02.337 --> 0:15:04.537 He had actually Trump and his kids had known me 0:15:04.577 --> 0:15:06.897 since I was thirteen or fourteen years old in New York. 0:15:07.417 --> 0:15:10.497 Do you bring me in? Now it's been four years, 0:15:10.977 --> 0:15:14.937 you're asking me. I could have helped him avoid some 0:15:15.017 --> 0:15:18.137 of the deep state bear traps that he walked into. 0:15:18.537 --> 0:15:20.897 But he didn't ask my little while me didn't ask 0:15:20.937 --> 0:15:23.857 my opinion. You know, he brought in. Look, he brought 0:15:23.897 --> 0:15:27.177 in a bunch of swamp guys. He just did. And 0:15:27.217 --> 0:15:28.497 so you know, I sit here and I'm like, I 0:15:29.617 --> 0:15:31.377 you know, it's like if I were you know, you're 0:15:31.417 --> 0:15:32.777 a dad. I'm hoping to be dad soon. I just 0:15:32.857 --> 0:15:34.377 got married if I told if I wanted to tell 0:15:34.497 --> 0:15:37.097 my kid, hey, you know, run this play on the 0:15:37.137 --> 0:15:38.977 football field, but he won't even listen to me. I 0:15:39.017 --> 0:15:41.457 can't even say it. And then he gets just annihilated 0:15:41.537 --> 0:15:44.577 and sacked and loses the ball, loses the football. That's 0:15:44.577 --> 0:15:47.017 how it felt to me. It's like, really, I don't 0:15:47.017 --> 0:15:50.537 know that was frustrating. Well no, it's really I didn't 0:15:50.537 --> 0:15:53.777 know that about you. And that's even more annoying to 0:15:53.857 --> 0:15:57.417 me because yeah, right, so you're you're at the Trump 0:15:57.457 --> 0:16:00.537 DC Hotel. You're hearing the same things that I'm hearing, yeah, 0:16:00.537 --> 0:16:03.137 which is, oh yeah, got walked out today? Well why 0:16:03.497 --> 0:16:07.177 Well because some'm Clinton appointee wanted the jobs, so they 0:16:07.217 --> 0:16:08.977 got rid of the Trump person and they put a 0:16:08.977 --> 0:16:12.217 Clinton person in there. The intelligence community is indistinguishable under 0:16:12.217 --> 0:16:13.817 Trump that it would have been under a Clinton president. 0:16:13.857 --> 0:16:15.977 Seeing you're like, oh another one. Wow. So it's like 0:16:16.057 --> 0:16:20.377 Friday night, like every Friday was a Friday night massac 0:16:20.457 --> 0:16:23.217 or you're at Trump Trump the Trump Hotel DC, and 0:16:23.337 --> 0:16:25.377 oh yeah that oh I'm out of a job now. 0:16:25.417 --> 0:16:27.177 And then of course there was no soft landing for 0:16:27.217 --> 0:16:29.377 those people. So you saw this, you know, of course 0:16:29.537 --> 0:16:31.817 you could have and you know this, you could have 0:16:31.897 --> 0:16:36.017 just had Trump walk through Trump Hotel in DC when 0:16:36.057 --> 0:16:38.177 you know, when it was Trump Hotel when he was president, 0:16:38.617 --> 0:16:40.857 and just walking just people that he knew by side 0:16:40.897 --> 0:16:43.137 a name, you know, you me others, and it's been like, hey, guys, 0:16:43.577 --> 0:16:46.497 I'm thinking about bringing this guy in or gal to 0:16:46.617 --> 0:16:50.097 some very senior, very important post. What do you guys think? 0:16:50.577 --> 0:16:53.417 And we could have said, you know, because we all knew, 0:16:53.737 --> 0:16:55.617 we would have said, sir, this is a person who 0:16:55.777 --> 0:16:58.217 it's just about them. There's no, it's not about service 0:16:58.217 --> 0:17:01.017 to the mission. It's certainly not about service to your agenda. 0:17:01.097 --> 0:17:03.857 But some that feedback mechanism. And I've tried to tell 0:17:03.857 --> 0:17:06.097 people this. It's like every time I felt like I 0:17:06.137 --> 0:17:08.137 was trying to coach. And I have a much bigger 0:17:08.137 --> 0:17:10.177 platform now than I did during the Trump I meant 0:17:10.377 --> 0:17:11.977 to be fair, But every time I felt like, even 0:17:12.017 --> 0:17:14.297 from what I had, I was trying to coach Trump 0:17:14.297 --> 0:17:17.417 in the movement out of out of love for what 0:17:17.537 --> 0:17:20.377 was trying to be accomplished. I got shot. I got shot. 0:17:20.417 --> 0:17:23.217 Why don't you believe him? Four D chess? Shut up? 0:17:23.217 --> 0:17:26.057 Why aren't you with him? I'm like with him, I'm 0:17:26.057 --> 0:17:27.977 with him the way that you know the coach whose 0:17:28.177 --> 0:17:30.457 desperate to see his team win is with him. 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I want to throw your 0:18:38.537 --> 0:18:40.017 away because you know, look, I'm just gonna say it, 0:18:40.057 --> 0:18:41.537 Mike is one of for those of you who are 0:18:41.737 --> 0:18:43.977 on Twitter, Mike is I think one of the most 0:18:44.417 --> 0:18:47.857 worthwhile Twitter follows that you can have because you don't 0:18:47.897 --> 0:18:50.057 always know what you're gonna get, but it is worthwhile. 0:18:50.577 --> 0:18:52.217 And I feel like that's such a rarity on the 0:18:52.297 --> 0:18:54.137 right these days. There's so many people who it's just 0:18:54.457 --> 0:18:56.737 we're all like hamsters hitting the pedal. Right, it's like 0:18:56.777 --> 0:18:58.697 the same, Oh, this is what you know, this is 0:18:58.697 --> 0:19:00.937 the talking point, this is the talking point. You know 0:19:01.017 --> 0:19:04.137 you're you're with the movement, but you're not always aligned 0:19:04.217 --> 0:19:06.657 specifically with every individual part of it. And I find 0:19:06.657 --> 0:19:08.377 it interesting. And also we'll talk about some of the 0:19:08.857 --> 0:19:12.417 lifestyle and you know, life philosophy, I think is a 0:19:12.457 --> 0:19:14.337 better way of putting a life philosophy stuff that you 0:19:14.377 --> 0:19:16.457 get into. So I think that's really important for the 0:19:16.537 --> 0:19:18.777 right and just for all of us. But I believe it. 0:19:18.937 --> 0:19:20.497 I believe that Joe Biden, you know, we spent a 0:19:20.537 --> 0:19:22.777 lot of time going haha, he's Seenisle and whatever. And 0:19:22.817 --> 0:19:24.417 look I do some of that too. I mean, you know, 0:19:24.457 --> 0:19:28.217 poking fun is poking fun. Um. I think he's going 0:19:28.257 --> 0:19:30.457 to be formidable in reelection. And I think people that 0:19:30.577 --> 0:19:33.017 believe that this is going to be, you know, that Trump, 0:19:33.217 --> 0:19:35.017 let's say it is Trump, that Trump comes back and 0:19:35.057 --> 0:19:36.977 he's the nominee and it's going to be a walk 0:19:36.977 --> 0:19:38.857 in the park for him, I think that's delusional. And 0:19:38.897 --> 0:19:40.177 I think we all need to be very honest that 0:19:40.177 --> 0:19:43.617 this is going to be a dog fight. Zero percent 0:19:43.657 --> 0:19:49.097 Trump wins in twenty against I mean, there's I'll take, 0:19:49.257 --> 0:19:51.857 you know, I want to make best I'll talk about, 0:19:51.897 --> 0:19:53.337 you know what kind of as they want to set, 0:19:53.377 --> 0:19:57.297 because that'll be the easiest money that I ever make 0:19:57.577 --> 0:20:01.337 in my life. No Desantz barely desands it would be 0:20:01.377 --> 0:20:06.137 a close call, but because there are issues with like 0:20:06.377 --> 0:20:08.457 I argue, an example, we don't need to go to 0:20:08.497 --> 0:20:11.057 the moon is made of green cheese. Are the infamous? 0:20:11.137 --> 0:20:13.857 There was a server I mean you, I'm sure you 0:20:13.897 --> 0:20:16.657 remember as a former CIA analyst, some people were saying 0:20:16.657 --> 0:20:20.017 there was a server shootout involving the CIA in Germany 0:20:20.337 --> 0:20:23.417 for votes in twenty twenty. I was like, oh my god, yeah, 0:20:23.617 --> 0:20:26.017 we have a we have a real problem here and 0:20:26.017 --> 0:20:27.457 I don't know where we're going to do about it. 0:20:27.497 --> 0:20:30.457 But they can't I mean, they can't run ballots more 0:20:30.497 --> 0:20:32.777 than once. You know, it's not hard to say, oh, 0:20:32.817 --> 0:20:35.297 we have a you know we're running the ballots and 0:20:35.417 --> 0:20:37.537 you know that there's a certain district that's going to 0:20:37.617 --> 0:20:40.297 be heavily favorite of Viden. You can't change it at 0:20:40.297 --> 0:20:42.497 the granduar level, but you can say I'll run this 0:20:42.497 --> 0:20:45.417 one a couple of times. There's there's there's nothing really 0:20:45.577 --> 0:20:48.777 stopping that. That's why you need more poll watchers, which 0:20:49.297 --> 0:20:51.937 was a big issue in twenty twenty, the whole of 0:20:51.937 --> 0:20:55.137 the pipers in Georgia and then suddenly the Republican poll 0:20:55.177 --> 0:20:57.697 watchers were sent away and there was no real solution 0:20:57.777 --> 0:20:59.457 for that. So there's a lot of things that twenty 0:20:59.497 --> 0:21:03.257 twenty that aren't going to go away, and it's gonna intensify. 0:21:03.457 --> 0:21:07.137 And that's why you need Rohn to Santaz, who's gonna say, hey, Buck, 0:21:07.537 --> 0:21:09.537 what do you think? What do you think about twenty twenty? 0:21:09.537 --> 0:21:13.337 And you're gonna say, well, there was no CIA shootout 0:21:13.857 --> 0:21:16.097 to steal the server. You know, the moon is not 0:21:16.177 --> 0:21:18.737 made of green cheese. But yeah, there are people doing 0:21:18.737 --> 0:21:22.257 double ballots. There are pull watchers or pull watchers were 0:21:22.297 --> 0:21:24.977 kicked out. That's gonna come up again. There is ballot 0:21:24.977 --> 0:21:27.337 harvesting that's going to be a big problem. They're going 0:21:27.337 --> 0:21:30.257 to these massive apartment complexes and maybe all folks homes, 0:21:30.497 --> 0:21:32.777 So we need to start looking at addresses because they're 0:21:32.777 --> 0:21:35.537 filling out the ballots for senile people. That a lot 0:21:35.537 --> 0:21:37.417 of that was shown in twenty twenty. Right, Oh, here's 0:21:37.457 --> 0:21:40.417 a oh yet one hundred and fifty votes out of 0:21:40.497 --> 0:21:42.977 here and it turns out as a senior living center. Right, 0:21:43.257 --> 0:21:45.737 So there's a lot and because elections are so close, 0:21:45.897 --> 0:21:49.097 everything like that really does matter, and you need someone 0:21:49.137 --> 0:21:51.657 who's going to focus on that. Well, this is the 0:21:51.737 --> 0:21:53.857 part of it that I also got very frustrated after 0:21:53.897 --> 0:21:58.377 twenty twenty because anybody who wants to talk about how 0:21:58.377 --> 0:22:02.977 we can find when there's illegal ballot harving, ballot harvesting, 0:22:03.297 --> 0:22:06.497 find that stop that. Anybody wants to talk about mail 0:22:06.577 --> 0:22:09.177 in ballot campaigns for Republicans, how we need to match 0:22:09.257 --> 0:22:12.137 fight fire with fire, and says, look at Florida, look 0:22:12.137 --> 0:22:15.617 at Rhndissantis just did in his reelection. Mail in ballots 0:22:15.857 --> 0:22:18.537 can be done. It can be done safely and securely, 0:22:18.617 --> 0:22:20.737 but you need to get the stuff set up. I'm 0:22:20.737 --> 0:22:23.657 all about that. And looking for fraud and setting up 0:22:23.697 --> 0:22:26.657 systems to catch fraud, I'm all about that too. But 0:22:26.737 --> 0:22:29.217 whenever I say to them, at the end of the day, 0:22:29.537 --> 0:22:32.737 it's scoreboard, and if they put up the points and 0:22:32.897 --> 0:22:36.777 we can't prove that they cheated, thinking they cheated is 0:22:36.817 --> 0:22:38.577 one thing. Fine, Yeah, sure I think they cheated, But 0:22:38.657 --> 0:22:41.377 I think they always cheat. If we can't prove it, 0:22:41.577 --> 0:22:44.137 we lose. And this is just where we come to. 0:22:44.177 --> 0:22:47.057 I mean, I had people in the months after the election, 0:22:47.457 --> 0:22:49.497 I'd be like, and I don't mean when Trump is 0:22:49.497 --> 0:22:52.017 still in office. I'm talking about you know, let's say 0:22:52.057 --> 0:22:55.697 April of twenty twenty one, I'd say, oh, you know, 0:22:55.737 --> 0:22:57.857 President Biden, and I'd be at live events. They say, 0:22:57.857 --> 0:23:01.217 don't call him that, he's not the president, and I'm 0:23:01.257 --> 0:23:05.017 looking at him like, guys, you know, he is the president. 0:23:05.097 --> 0:23:07.177 You can say he cheated and it sucks and I 0:23:07.177 --> 0:23:08.777 wish it weren't the case, but like you know, we 0:23:09.017 --> 0:23:11.257 got we gotta pushed through this a little bit. And 0:23:11.297 --> 0:23:15.537 I just worry that the thinking of the twenty twenty 0:23:15.617 --> 0:23:18.617 obsession is going to be a big problem for us 0:23:18.617 --> 0:23:20.497 in twenty twenty four. And I try to tell everybody 0:23:20.537 --> 0:23:23.217 Joe Biden, look, yes, everything you say about him, he's 0:23:23.217 --> 0:23:25.897 a clown. His son is a disaster. They're criminals, they 0:23:25.937 --> 0:23:29.297 pedal influence. I mean, no one criticizes him and sees 0:23:29.297 --> 0:23:30.817 it I think more clearly than I do. I mean, 0:23:30.857 --> 0:23:34.057 other people see it the same way. But Mike, he's 0:23:34.097 --> 0:23:37.977 gonna get forty nine percent of the vote, right, I mean, 0:23:38.057 --> 0:23:40.057 that's where we are. And I just need everybody on 0:23:40.057 --> 0:23:42.617 the right to understand that because I see these polls. Oh, 0:23:42.697 --> 0:23:46.617 people think Biden shouldn't run again. Guess what if he 0:23:46.697 --> 0:23:49.017 runs again, those people who are Democrats are going to 0:23:49.137 --> 0:23:53.177 vote for him without a second thought. We just had 0:23:53.177 --> 0:23:55.297 an election That's why I tell people too. People send 0:23:55.377 --> 0:23:57.017 me polls here and there, and I go, we just 0:23:57.057 --> 0:23:59.977 had a midterm, brother, Why are we talking about polls 0:24:00.097 --> 0:24:03.497 a few months after a midterm? Yeah? Right, that's how 0:24:03.537 --> 0:24:06.497 I feel about polls. This sixty one percent of the 0:24:06.537 --> 0:24:09.057 country says that it's going to the wrong direction. Great, 0:24:09.057 --> 0:24:13.617 we had an election and ste of the electorate didn't 0:24:13.657 --> 0:24:16.897 vote Republican. We didn't have that slave that we thought. 0:24:16.977 --> 0:24:21.177 It was all very close, hotly contested elections. Bobert almost 0:24:21.177 --> 0:24:24.577 sawst hearsy it was. It was brutal, and again without 0:24:24.617 --> 0:24:27.377 the Santest and Zelden, it very well may have been 0:24:27.457 --> 0:24:30.937 a narrow majority under Nancy Pelosi for another two years. 0:24:30.937 --> 0:24:33.897 So I don't know the poll And this is again 0:24:33.937 --> 0:24:37.617 my biggest problem with the right, and probably this spoils 0:24:37.657 --> 0:24:42.937 into my overall life philosophy. We if you have an audience, 0:24:43.417 --> 0:24:45.577 you have to be a leader, and you have to 0:24:45.657 --> 0:24:47.777 lead your people in the right direction. You do not 0:24:47.937 --> 0:24:51.417 pander to their delusions because you want another click, you 0:24:51.497 --> 0:24:54.977 want another retweet or whatever. I've never pandered to everything 0:24:54.977 --> 0:24:59.017 I've said, even the things which are even the crazy 0:24:59.057 --> 0:25:02.257 things I've said, are aging better than maybe I thought 0:25:02.617 --> 0:25:04.657 it's because I believe it and I want to steer 0:25:04.737 --> 0:25:08.697 my people in the right direction and telling telling our people, 0:25:09.057 --> 0:25:12.697 oh yeah, sixty one percent Biden wrong direct. I say, 0:25:13.257 --> 0:25:16.057 shake them up. Did you not pay attention to what 0:25:16.177 --> 0:25:19.337 has happened? Two hundred and twenty two seats? And it 0:25:19.377 --> 0:25:23.777 turns out, Santos, we're gonna just plan on losing that one. 0:25:23.897 --> 0:25:26.217 So you need to just be thinking already, how are 0:25:26.217 --> 0:25:31.537 you gonna get bobert reelected? Double recounts? Right, barely, that's 0:25:31.577 --> 0:25:33.777 how close everything is going to be. Every vote counts 0:25:33.777 --> 0:25:37.897 Orange County, there's still one seat shy of where it 0:25:38.057 --> 0:25:41.217 was before the ballot harvesting of twenty eighteen. So even 0:25:41.257 --> 0:25:45.057 though the California GOP has gained ground and retook a 0:25:45.097 --> 0:25:47.737 bunch of the seats that were wrongfully taken in twenty eighteen, 0:25:48.417 --> 0:25:52.937 there's still sheets a seat shot. I was thinking of sheets. 0:25:52.977 --> 0:25:55.897 I was thinking of the guys a dreams sheets actually, 0:25:55.897 --> 0:25:59.577 but it's the electoral seats. And that's what we have 0:25:59.657 --> 0:26:01.777 to do, is you shake our people up, you guys. 0:26:01.817 --> 0:26:06.217 You need to focus on the right issues. I think 0:26:06.257 --> 0:26:09.857 that's that's essential. I want to ask a question. We'll 0:26:10.057 --> 0:26:11.977 old because I have to have to give a word 0:26:11.977 --> 0:26:14.497 to our sponsor for a second. Mike, But when come back, 0:26:14.497 --> 0:26:16.217 I want you to address this. Why is Mike Cernovich 0:26:16.337 --> 0:26:20.457 considered so controversial? 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Through the Tunnel to Towers nine 0:27:18.457 --> 0:27:21.737 to eleven Institute, a foundation is educating kids in kindergarten 0:27:21.737 --> 0:27:25.097 through twelfth grade about our nation's darkest day. Joined Tunnel 0:27:25.137 --> 0:27:28.097 to Towers on its mission to do good. Please help 0:27:28.097 --> 0:27:32.177 America never forget its greatest heroes and honor our obligations 0:27:32.177 --> 0:27:34.617 to them. Donate eleven dollars a month the Tunnel of 0:27:34.617 --> 0:27:37.377 the Towers at t twot dot org. That's t the 0:27:37.497 --> 0:27:43.937 number two T dot org. All right, Mike Cernovich controversial? 0:27:44.817 --> 0:27:46.737 Why do they come after you so hard? Man? Well? 0:27:46.777 --> 0:27:52.097 What do you do to upset the apparatus so much? Yeah? 0:27:52.097 --> 0:27:55.217 I often say I'm probably the most widely read person 0:27:55.297 --> 0:27:59.537 that people won't admit that they read because I'll say 0:27:59.617 --> 0:28:01.417 something no one else had ever said, And then all 0:28:01.417 --> 0:28:06.857 of a sudden that's circulating widely and largely the reason 0:28:06.937 --> 0:28:11.377 I'm controversial or seeing that way is in twenty fifteen 0:28:11.417 --> 0:28:15.977 and twenty sixteen, I viewed the presidency as an existential 0:28:16.017 --> 0:28:19.777 crisis and stopping Hillary Clinton was the most important thing 0:28:19.777 --> 0:28:21.817 that I could have ever possibly have done with my life. 0:28:21.817 --> 0:28:24.817 And I didn't have kids. I honestly didn't care if 0:28:24.977 --> 0:28:27.577 that election killed me. I didn't where I was at 0:28:27.577 --> 0:28:29.537 the time. We would have been in World War three 0:28:29.577 --> 0:28:32.337 with Syria and Hillary Clinton one. So as much as 0:28:32.337 --> 0:28:36.377 I you know Trump this all the criticism is buffered 0:28:36.497 --> 0:28:40.377 by the fact that we prevented World War three by 0:28:40.497 --> 0:28:43.017 working to elect Trump, and everyone should feel good about 0:28:43.097 --> 0:28:45.617 that for humanity. It was one of the greatest gifts 0:28:45.617 --> 0:28:47.977 that we could have given humanity in our lives, and 0:28:48.057 --> 0:28:52.217 Trump deserves all the credit for that. But if twenty 0:28:52.257 --> 0:28:55.297 fifteen twenty sixteen, I was pretty mean, if you were 0:28:55.497 --> 0:28:59.297 a you know, conservative, was the term like, we've we 0:28:59.417 --> 0:29:02.297 fought viciously and we weren't We weren't nice to people, 0:29:02.337 --> 0:29:04.537 So I made a lot of enemies, which, as you know, 0:29:05.377 --> 0:29:07.617 that's not a good way to be an influencer or 0:29:07.617 --> 0:29:10.457 a media personality. It's not good. Like late, I think 0:29:10.537 --> 0:29:13.537 Jordan Peterson has been doing things to sabotage the right. 0:29:13.697 --> 0:29:16.777 Who's going to criticize Jordan Peterson. Accept me. Nobody can 0:29:16.817 --> 0:29:20.377 say that I'm wrong, right, Everybody in my notifications when 0:29:20.377 --> 0:29:22.977 I said, well, wait, why is Jordan Peterson calling out 0:29:23.057 --> 0:29:27.217 Christian rufo Into Santez for trying to reform higher education 0:29:27.937 --> 0:29:30.337 when Jordan's whole brand is the far left? Is it 0:29:30.377 --> 0:29:34.897 going too far? Well, okay, so, but legislative action is happening, 0:29:34.897 --> 0:29:37.137 and now you suddenly have a problem. No one else 0:29:37.137 --> 0:29:40.217 but me is gonna say that, because well, one then 0:29:40.217 --> 0:29:42.337 you're gonna get You're not gonna be on the podcast circle. 0:29:42.777 --> 0:29:46.577 You know. I'm I'm persona on Garrata because Jordan Peterson 0:29:46.657 --> 0:29:48.937 is a you know, perfect saint. But you notice, if 0:29:48.977 --> 0:29:51.817 you ever read the replies, nobody says cert of it's 0:29:51.857 --> 0:29:56.177 you're factually incorrect. They go, oh, you're jealous. His book 0:29:56.217 --> 0:29:59.577 sells more than you. Blah blah blah. Which is you know, 0:29:59.777 --> 0:30:02.297 and anybody who knows can attest. I'm not trying to 0:30:02.297 --> 0:30:05.737 ever get on anyone's podcast. I always say, find an 0:30:05.777 --> 0:30:10.377 email on me. Try trying to be on someone's podcast, right, 0:30:10.497 --> 0:30:12.537 that's so far from where I don't want to do. 0:30:12.857 --> 0:30:15.777 But there's no one who if I think you're steering 0:30:15.777 --> 0:30:18.537 the right in a bad direction or the country in 0:30:18.537 --> 0:30:21.217 a bad direction. I don't care how popular you are. 0:30:21.377 --> 0:30:23.537 I don't care if you have this halo effect on you. 0:30:23.937 --> 0:30:27.177 So I'll criticize Trump and Jordan Peterson the same tweet, 0:30:27.657 --> 0:30:32.177 and then that that then I'm controversial. Now Osernovich is 0:30:32.217 --> 0:30:34.537 at it again, rather than just say okay, well, but 0:30:34.617 --> 0:30:37.137 is he actually correct though? Is this this is a 0:30:37.177 --> 0:30:41.057 correct point? So live it is vibe and aura because 0:30:41.097 --> 0:30:43.577 I go, I mean, I go hard. That's why I 0:30:43.697 --> 0:30:47.017 don't play um. I don't ask for sympathy or a 0:30:47.017 --> 0:30:50.577 pity party because I do go hard and people people 0:30:50.617 --> 0:30:53.417 go hard back to me. But that's more where you 0:30:53.417 --> 0:30:55.737 know why people see me as controversial, because yeah, I 0:30:55.777 --> 0:30:57.537 do go, I do go hard. If I think you're 0:30:57.617 --> 0:31:00.417 you're up to something that's steering the right wing in 0:31:00.457 --> 0:31:03.417 a wrong direction, then I'm gonna come at you in 0:31:03.417 --> 0:31:06.897 a way that other people won't. Speaking of the Jordan Peterson, 0:31:06.937 --> 0:31:09.697 I mean, one thing that I do think is getting 0:31:09.737 --> 0:31:12.577 a lot more attention. There's Jordan Peterson, and then more 0:31:12.617 --> 0:31:17.217 recently there's been Andrew Tate, who, as I speak to you, 0:31:17.377 --> 0:31:20.857 is still in prison. They have leveled all these allegations 0:31:20.977 --> 0:31:23.497 against him. He's an American citizen who has not been 0:31:23.537 --> 0:31:28.737 afforded time before a judge. They're just holding him. He says, 0:31:28.777 --> 0:31:31.617 he's innocent. The charges are are very serious. But we 0:31:31.657 --> 0:31:34.577 know that he was speaking, particularly in the last six 0:31:34.617 --> 0:31:36.817 months or so, a lot about what it means to 0:31:36.817 --> 0:31:39.857 be a man, what young men should hear. And people said, oh, 0:31:39.937 --> 0:31:41.857 we set all these terrible things the past. I say, oh, well, 0:31:41.857 --> 0:31:45.017 that that may well be true, but there is still 0:31:45.057 --> 0:31:48.417 a need, regardless of any individual, regardless of any influencer, 0:31:48.857 --> 0:31:52.337 to look at the all out assault on masculinity and 0:31:52.417 --> 0:31:54.297 this is a real thing. We're all aware of it 0:31:54.337 --> 0:31:57.177 that is underway. Toxic masculinity as a term is something 0:31:57.177 --> 0:31:59.257 that kids are learning in school and being taught that 0:31:59.297 --> 0:32:02.417 they should be aware of. Do you think the right 0:32:02.737 --> 0:32:06.577 is doing is beginning to do enough? I guess say, hey, 0:32:06.577 --> 0:32:09.577 you know, have we the term woke? You know, whenever 0:32:09.577 --> 0:32:11.337 I say have we awoke in I'm gonna be like, oh, well, 0:32:11.337 --> 0:32:15.577 not wokeness, but are we h waking up to the 0:32:15.777 --> 0:32:18.817 all out assault on masculinity and gender as part of 0:32:18.857 --> 0:32:22.737 the leftist program as something that is an intentional part 0:32:22.777 --> 0:32:28.897 of strategy. That realization m was part of why Trump 0:32:28.977 --> 0:32:32.177 won in twenty sixteen because he was seen as someone 0:32:32.177 --> 0:32:34.297 who really kind of unders So that that's why I 0:32:34.337 --> 0:32:39.177 think that Trump's most recent nasty comments about the Santaest 0:32:39.337 --> 0:32:41.977 is just going to fail. Right, Oh, here's the Santist 0:32:41.977 --> 0:32:44.937 at a graduation party, and they're like, oh, okay, so 0:32:45.057 --> 0:32:49.417 here's a young de Santest and doing a normal thing. 0:32:50.257 --> 0:32:52.497 And now so now they're trying to flip that, which 0:32:52.537 --> 0:32:55.657 is what I by the way, I have no I 0:32:55.697 --> 0:32:58.497 have no tolerance for the Oh he was a twenty 0:32:58.497 --> 0:33:01.017 three year old teacher who posed in a photo with 0:33:01.137 --> 0:33:03.057 some of his students and like maybe one of them 0:33:03.097 --> 0:33:05.937 had a beer. Let's let's charge it with some let's 0:33:06.017 --> 0:33:09.257 let's allege or insinuate some kind of sexual impropriety. That 0:33:09.417 --> 0:33:14.537 is that is bleeping garbage to do, and everybody knows it. Yeah, 0:33:14.537 --> 0:33:17.417 and it was a graduation party, so you know, as 0:33:17.417 --> 0:33:20.457 you know now it's a different era. But yeah, you go, oh, 0:33:20.497 --> 0:33:23.017 that's our high school teacher come to a graduation party. 0:33:23.417 --> 0:33:26.297 That wasn't a weird thing. And if you actually because 0:33:26.297 --> 0:33:28.577 the New York Times they reported all of this and 0:33:28.617 --> 0:33:31.137 they said he didn't try anything. He didn't do anything. 0:33:31.137 --> 0:33:33.857 He just showed up to a graduation party. The kids 0:33:33.857 --> 0:33:35.937 are like, oh, hey, how are you doing. How you doing, teacher? 0:33:35.977 --> 0:33:38.217 And he's like hi and walks away. And then the 0:33:38.257 --> 0:33:40.337 New York Times, the New York Times couldn't even turn 0:33:40.337 --> 0:33:42.697 that into anything, right. So if you go back and 0:33:42.297 --> 0:33:45.457 read it, when they tried that, everybody said, oh, yeah, 0:33:45.497 --> 0:33:48.697 nothing weird happened. Oh but in hindsight, he shouldn't have 0:33:48.737 --> 0:33:51.057 done it, right, that's where they lend it to. So 0:33:51.377 --> 0:33:54.817 that just shows that people playing into that narrative. They're 0:33:54.857 --> 0:33:58.017 playing into the left wing narrative, which is that, okay, 0:33:58.057 --> 0:34:00.697 so if you're a twenty three year old or twenty 0:34:00.697 --> 0:34:03.017 two to twenty four year old man and you're with 0:34:03.097 --> 0:34:06.057 an adult woman just in the room, you're a groomer. Now, 0:34:06.417 --> 0:34:09.897 where did that come from? That's left wing orthodoxy right there. 0:34:10.137 --> 0:34:12.297 So that's where the people have again lost a plot 0:34:12.297 --> 0:34:14.857 that's not I'm gonna work. But that shows how deep 0:34:15.337 --> 0:34:17.937 the memes are now when people on the right don't realize, oh, yeah, 0:34:17.977 --> 0:34:21.897 I'm actually being played, or for example, the the Andrew 0:34:21.897 --> 0:34:26.297 Tate thing, Now people are if you go read those articles, boy, 0:34:26.337 --> 0:34:29.777 the headlines don't match what's in the story. The headline 0:34:29.857 --> 0:34:33.537 is the latest BBC one I read was oh, and 0:34:33.577 --> 0:34:35.497 I'm in trouble for the Andrew Tait thing too, because 0:34:35.497 --> 0:34:39.177 we've had cigars together too. So that's another reason I'm controversial. 0:34:39.257 --> 0:34:43.537 So I've been embroiled in scandal after scandal where that 0:34:43.697 --> 0:34:46.057 because I've smoked cigars with Andrew Tate. I have to 0:34:46.457 --> 0:34:48.977 you know, I have to either disavow him and convict 0:34:49.057 --> 0:34:51.857 him or I'm like to wait a minute, why don't 0:34:51.857 --> 0:34:53.937 you read the articles. The latest BBC article was a 0:34:53.977 --> 0:34:57.897 woman who said that, oh, yeah, I did cam and 0:34:57.937 --> 0:35:00.457 he gave me half the money, but I felt like 0:35:00.457 --> 0:35:02.977 he manipulated me. Oh and she had done sex work 0:35:03.057 --> 0:35:06.297 before and then she left and they broke up. Right, 0:35:06.297 --> 0:35:10.377 So the headline is Andrew Tate abusive boyfriend, manipulator. Okay, 0:35:10.417 --> 0:35:13.137 well maybe this is finally, maybe they have something finally, 0:35:13.137 --> 0:35:15.617 And then you read it and I go, wait a minute. 0:35:15.657 --> 0:35:18.697 So he had a relationship with a sex worker. He 0:35:18.857 --> 0:35:22.257 tried to get into camp, she didn't want to. Eventually 0:35:22.297 --> 0:35:25.057 she did. He split the money with their fifty fifty. 0:35:25.577 --> 0:35:29.657 She decided their relationship was toxic. That goes both ways. 0:35:30.177 --> 0:35:32.737 Relationships with men and women are both toxic. That happens 0:35:32.737 --> 0:35:35.737 regardless agenda. And then she broke up with them and left. 0:35:36.057 --> 0:35:38.497 It's like, okay, but we're being told that the Tape 0:35:38.497 --> 0:35:42.857 Brothers are the real life Taked movie. That's the narrative. 0:35:43.257 --> 0:35:46.377 The narrative is they're kidnapping people. The narrative isn't that 0:35:46.497 --> 0:35:50.137 they're bad boyfriend. Human traffick. Human trafficking is the allegation 0:35:50.137 --> 0:35:53.337 they're using human trafficking, which is which is a heinous crime, right, 0:35:53.497 --> 0:35:56.417 something people should go to prison for decades for Haine 0:35:56.497 --> 0:36:00.097 is crime. I mean to the human trafficking allegation. I've 0:36:00.137 --> 0:36:02.937 also read in just in the stories that there are 0:36:02.937 --> 0:36:05.857 people that are allegedly human trafficked who are coming and 0:36:05.897 --> 0:36:10.337 going on video as they please with cell phone owns 0:36:10.537 --> 0:36:15.537 and buying designer handbags. So right, if if that's if 0:36:15.537 --> 0:36:18.137 that's human trafficking, I know, I do think you start 0:36:18.177 --> 0:36:21.377 to get to well, is it the is the coercive 0:36:21.697 --> 0:36:25.017 Is it just the psychological brainwashing creates the coercive force? 0:36:25.417 --> 0:36:28.297 But how do you measure that? Yes, And we need 0:36:28.337 --> 0:36:31.017 to talk about that because that's the latest. That's the 0:36:31.097 --> 0:36:33.417 latest ploy the late because two of these, two of 0:36:33.417 --> 0:36:38.097 the women who are free and walking around, they're the victims. 0:36:38.097 --> 0:36:41.217 And the Ukrainian judge said, oh, you've been brainwashed by 0:36:41.257 --> 0:36:43.697 the man. That's all left wing. So the left wing now, 0:36:43.737 --> 0:36:46.257 that's why I was so disgusted by Trump's tweet referring 0:36:46.257 --> 0:36:49.737 to the santests. And that is grooming. Oh so we're 0:36:49.737 --> 0:36:52.937 the left now. And if you're an adult man with 0:36:52.977 --> 0:36:56.497 a woman who's eighteen or older, you are now a groomer. 0:36:56.697 --> 0:37:00.737 Groomors what happens to children, right, Grooming is at something 0:37:01.017 --> 0:37:03.257 that you do not I personally, if I'm twenty four 0:37:03.537 --> 0:37:06.537 and I'm a high school teacher at that era, you 0:37:06.617 --> 0:37:08.697 just go to a graduation party because you don't think 0:37:08.817 --> 0:37:11.297 anything of it because you're actually not a scumbag. Right, 0:37:11.297 --> 0:37:13.697 If you're a scumbag, you wouldn't say like, oh, take 0:37:13.737 --> 0:37:16.177 a picture of me because I want I want proof 0:37:16.217 --> 0:37:19.777 that I can your graduation. It'd be the opposite. But 0:37:19.857 --> 0:37:22.777 that is left ing. Orthodoxy is they're going back now. 0:37:23.017 --> 0:37:25.497 And you can see this in a lot of the cases. 0:37:25.537 --> 0:37:29.537 And the theory. The theory is that if you're you're 0:37:29.857 --> 0:37:32.577 so man, your man brain is so powerful and then 0:37:32.697 --> 0:37:36.137 by extension, the female brain is so manipulable that men 0:37:36.177 --> 0:37:41.497 are now emotionally manipulating women into doing things the woman 0:37:42.137 --> 0:37:45.337 doesn't want to do, and even if she doesn't leave, 0:37:45.417 --> 0:37:48.177 and in fact, by not leaving, that proves your man 0:37:48.217 --> 0:37:51.337 brain is so strong that you're able to exercise this 0:37:51.537 --> 0:37:55.137 mind control over you know, fully formed adult women. That's 0:37:55.137 --> 0:37:57.777 where it is. Because yeah, these two women said they 0:37:57.777 --> 0:38:00.657 were on video and they're like, oh, yeah, you know Andrew, 0:38:01.137 --> 0:38:03.297 he was nice, we love them and everything. And I 0:38:03.377 --> 0:38:08.457 thought to myself, well, you could find how how would 0:38:08.457 --> 0:38:10.617 I know this isn't just two random Romania women? How 0:38:10.657 --> 0:38:12.017 do I know these are the two women in the 0:38:12.057 --> 0:38:15.177 court case? Because for me, I feel like I have 0:38:15.257 --> 0:38:18.897 a duty to present if the Tates are being railroaded, 0:38:18.937 --> 0:38:20.737 I have a duty to say something. Right. So I 0:38:20.777 --> 0:38:22.897 saw that video and I even tweeted, how could I 0:38:22.937 --> 0:38:26.657 know these women are really his girlfriends? Right? How do 0:38:26.697 --> 0:38:28.697 you know? And then you read the court Oh yeah, 0:38:28.697 --> 0:38:31.137 as it turns out they are. They told the judge 0:38:31.177 --> 0:38:32.457 we don't want anything to do with this, and the 0:38:32.537 --> 0:38:35.017 judge said, too bad. I didn't realize, by the way, 0:38:35.017 --> 0:38:37.817 you were so up on this story. Do you believe 0:38:37.817 --> 0:38:42.657 the Tates are being railroaded. Well, I certainly believe based 0:38:42.697 --> 0:38:46.097 on what I've seen that the evidence is not matching 0:38:46.497 --> 0:38:49.537 the allegations and the media. Because if you're telling me 0:38:49.617 --> 0:38:52.737 there are six victims and two of them have said 0:38:52.777 --> 0:38:56.177 we're not, and you're saying we don't care. If they 0:38:56.217 --> 0:38:59.937 say they're not, they still are, then that means that 0:38:59.977 --> 0:39:03.137 a lot of pressure has been applied, probably to the 0:39:03.137 --> 0:39:05.217 other four. I did see this, by the way, and 0:39:05.257 --> 0:39:08.497 one of the reports there were women who have come 0:39:08.577 --> 0:39:13.457 forward who are considered to be some of the human 0:39:13.537 --> 0:39:17.017 trafficking victims, who have told the court and this is 0:39:17.017 --> 0:39:19.537 on record or told the authorities. I should say, police, 0:39:20.017 --> 0:39:23.137 that's laughable. We meaning these two women, I think there 0:39:23.137 --> 0:39:26.097 are six that we were absolutely not human traffic human 0:39:26.097 --> 0:39:30.217 trafficking victims. That is reported right now, right, So we 0:39:30.297 --> 0:39:32.057 know for a fact two of six say we're not, 0:39:32.377 --> 0:39:34.777 and we know the judge said we don't care you are. 0:39:35.257 --> 0:39:37.537 So what's they say about the other four? Were they 0:39:37.617 --> 0:39:41.777 leaned on, were they pressured? Were they real last why? 0:39:41.777 --> 0:39:44.377 I would like to see evidence? So then the BBC goes, oh, 0:39:44.417 --> 0:39:47.097 we met one of the Tate's old girlfriends, and he's 0:39:47.137 --> 0:39:49.457 a terrible, terrible guy. And then I go, okay, well 0:39:49.537 --> 0:39:51.737 let's read the article. And that's the article I just mentioned. 0:39:52.057 --> 0:39:54.457 Do you think the Biden administration is putting pressure on 0:39:54.817 --> 0:39:57.697 Romania in this regard? Is that just too far fetched? 0:39:57.737 --> 0:40:01.377 People have reached out to me to say they think 0:40:01.697 --> 0:40:04.297 that that is an element here. If you believe the 0:40:04.337 --> 0:40:06.697 Tates are being railroaded, and we need to say that's 0:40:06.697 --> 0:40:10.337 an if do would you believe that the Bidenministra Asian 0:40:10.377 --> 0:40:13.737 may have a hand in that. I think that it's 0:40:13.777 --> 0:40:17.417 more subtle than that. I think that, just like the 0:40:17.497 --> 0:40:20.497 DNC doesn't have to tell Twitter to take take things down, 0:40:20.537 --> 0:40:24.017 the FBI does. I think with the Tates, you had 0:40:24.137 --> 0:40:28.217 guys who were trying to be basically tweet out rap 0:40:28.297 --> 0:40:30.617 lyrics right whenever people go, oh, here's this horrible video 0:40:30.617 --> 0:40:32.937 way Andrew take I say, you know what, if you're 0:40:32.977 --> 0:40:35.937 like me and you want to ban pornography and you 0:40:36.017 --> 0:40:38.257 don't believe rap music should be listened to because you 0:40:38.297 --> 0:40:41.377 think you're hypnotizing yourself to negive lyrics. If you want 0:40:41.377 --> 0:40:43.857 to ban I don't know what you heard about me, 0:40:44.017 --> 0:40:48.017 but I'm a pimp from the radio, then I'm really 0:40:48.097 --> 0:40:50.737 interested in what you have to say about offensive videos. 0:40:50.977 --> 0:40:53.977 So we're gonna ban Snoop Dogg the pimp. We're gonna 0:40:53.977 --> 0:40:56.977 be in all that rap music that talks about pimping. Right, 0:40:57.017 --> 0:40:58.457 Oh no, no, you don't want to do that. Oh 0:40:58.497 --> 0:41:01.057 you don't want to be in pornography or less interesting. 0:41:01.617 --> 0:41:06.417 So you participate in pornography, your watch it. But then 0:41:06.417 --> 0:41:09.817 if a man is involved in the production, now he's 0:41:09.857 --> 0:41:12.577 a rumor trafficker. Even if the woman said you willingly 0:41:12.657 --> 0:41:17.057 did it, and if you talk like a rapper, then 0:41:17.417 --> 0:41:20.217 that has to be taken is true? But rap music, right, 0:41:20.257 --> 0:41:22.577 you see, there's no coherence to it. So what I 0:41:22.617 --> 0:41:25.977 think happened is pretty simple. You're the Tates. You want 0:41:25.977 --> 0:41:30.497 to get known, You make exaggerated claims, and then you 0:41:30.537 --> 0:41:33.377 start saying that you're bribing government officials that you're not 0:41:33.417 --> 0:41:36.617 really bribing. What do you think is going to happen? Right? 0:41:36.777 --> 0:41:41.177 That falls into the category of what do you think 0:41:41.297 --> 0:41:45.657 is going to happen? You're embarrassing people, You're embarrassing powerful people. 0:41:45.937 --> 0:41:47.777 I'll tell you that there are people on the right 0:41:47.817 --> 0:41:50.337 who when Tate was talking about how the corruption works 0:41:50.337 --> 0:41:53.057 in his favor and this just I draw in my 0:41:53.297 --> 0:41:56.217 background in the CIA and learning a lot about other governments, 0:41:56.217 --> 0:41:58.257 which is the most fascinating part of being in the CIA, 0:41:58.297 --> 0:42:00.777 because obviously we got a lot of info, you know, 0:42:00.777 --> 0:42:03.537 other government, We do have more sophisticated technology, We do 0:42:04.057 --> 0:42:06.777 get a view that they don't want us to have obviously. 0:42:08.057 --> 0:42:11.257 And the one thing that will get you in trouble 0:42:11.257 --> 0:42:14.697 in a corrupt country is bragging about the corruption in 0:42:14.697 --> 0:42:16.697 that country that you say is in your favor. That 0:42:16.697 --> 0:42:18.537 that's like, it's like the first rule of fight club 0:42:18.617 --> 0:42:21.337 is never talking about fight club. You're in a corrupt country, 0:42:21.377 --> 0:42:23.737 Eastern Europe, anywhere else in the world, and it's working 0:42:23.737 --> 0:42:25.777 out for you, It's going to stop working out for 0:42:25.817 --> 0:42:27.977 you the moment that you say, oh, yeah, the corruption 0:42:27.977 --> 0:42:30.577 here benefits me. I think. I think the tates that's 0:42:30.617 --> 0:42:33.617 a that's a lesson from this process, irrespective of everything else, 0:42:33.657 --> 0:42:36.257 you know, the whether they're pressure being brought to bear 0:42:36.737 --> 0:42:39.737 to bring these charges, etc. Whether they're guilty or not, 0:42:39.777 --> 0:42:42.537 which I don't know and I don't profess to know, um, 0:42:42.857 --> 0:42:44.937 but I do think that you don't want to talk 0:42:44.937 --> 0:42:47.177 about corruption in a corrupt country if you're if you're 0:42:47.177 --> 0:42:51.137 planning on staying there, right, if you're really doing it too, 0:42:51.257 --> 0:42:54.537 which makes me believe that they it was just I 0:42:54.537 --> 0:42:56.697 think it was just all an act. I thought there. 0:42:56.737 --> 0:42:59.257 I think they're trying to be real life rappers. They were, 0:42:59.417 --> 0:43:03.177 they were mimicking what rappers say and that because if 0:43:03.217 --> 0:43:06.457 you're really bribing people and bragging about it, then I 0:43:06.577 --> 0:43:08.537 have to reconsider my view of you, right, And there's 0:43:08.577 --> 0:43:11.817 nothing about the Tates that indicates that they're not that 0:43:11.897 --> 0:43:14.817 they're low IQ. Right. You can say they're evil, you 0:43:14.817 --> 0:43:17.257 can say you can say whatever, that's a moral judgment. 0:43:17.697 --> 0:43:20.817 You can say they're evil, but nobody has ever said 0:43:20.817 --> 0:43:23.457 they're not that. I don't know Tristan really, but I 0:43:23.457 --> 0:43:25.777 mean i've just from what I've seen in interviews with Andrew, 0:43:25.857 --> 0:43:28.897 he's a he's clearly a high IQ individual like that. 0:43:28.897 --> 0:43:33.217 That is obvious. Right, So if you're high IQ, you're 0:43:33.257 --> 0:43:39.337 bribing government officials, would brag about bribing government officials, right, 0:43:39.537 --> 0:43:40.937 That's kind of how I see it. And then, of 0:43:40.977 --> 0:43:43.137 course people who don't like the Tastes have to wrestle 0:43:43.137 --> 0:43:45.937 with the corruption issue, namely that the Tastes were arrested 0:43:45.937 --> 0:43:48.857 in March twenty twenty they were released the next day 0:43:49.257 --> 0:43:52.497 because apparently video evidence cleared them. Then they get re 0:43:52.617 --> 0:43:56.337 arrested in December. Okay, so was Ukraine corrupt in March 0:43:56.537 --> 0:44:00.257 when they let them go? Are they corrupt? Now? Why 0:44:00.297 --> 0:44:03.177 aren't they being tried? Why are they being held? You know, 0:44:03.177 --> 0:44:06.217 because Ukraine has this weird system where you can be 0:44:06.737 --> 0:44:10.457 charged but not really tried. Is this limit? Yeah, remain there, 0:44:10.497 --> 0:44:13.097 They're in remaining and they can be held. I think 0:44:13.097 --> 0:44:15.097 you can be held. I read that you can be 0:44:15.097 --> 0:44:18.337 held for up to a year without actually having a trial. 0:44:18.537 --> 0:44:22.257 A year I mean now J six J six defendants 0:44:22.257 --> 0:44:26.097 can apparently in DC be held for about eighteen months 0:44:26.137 --> 0:44:29.217 in solitary for in some cases non violent crimes. So 0:44:29.577 --> 0:44:31.497 you know, we're gonna poke it romaaning on this one 0:44:31.537 --> 0:44:33.457 and say, oh my god, oh my god. But as 0:44:33.497 --> 0:44:35.697 we know, if you get on the wrong side of 0:44:35.737 --> 0:44:38.177 the deep state in this country, that can happen to you. 0:44:38.217 --> 0:44:41.497 But I wanted to ask you though, on a more 0:44:41.537 --> 0:44:45.337 on a more positive and constructive note, four young men, 0:44:45.377 --> 0:44:47.577 because one thing, one thing that I can tell does 0:44:47.617 --> 0:44:52.417 really rattle the left is when young men have this 0:44:52.457 --> 0:44:58.697 moment of recognition that the left wants them to be miserable, unhappy, 0:44:58.857 --> 0:45:04.857 week controlled and uh, you know effectively, you know, low T, 0:45:05.337 --> 0:45:08.417 low IQ, do what you're told, triple mass, get your 0:45:08.417 --> 0:45:11.417 seventh booster shot, and you know, sit there, call yourself 0:45:11.457 --> 0:45:15.537 a male feminist. Don't excel, don't exceed, don't you know, 0:45:15.777 --> 0:45:20.137 suppress all your masculine urges. And the right actually has people, 0:45:20.257 --> 0:45:22.777 by the way, like you and others who are saying, no, 0:45:22.937 --> 0:45:25.057 actually being a man is what you are meant to do, 0:45:25.497 --> 0:45:28.017 and that that inspires I think young men. I think 0:45:28.017 --> 0:45:32.177 there's something important there. Well, that's where I had to 0:45:32.217 --> 0:45:34.777 thread the needle that I find interesting too about the 0:45:34.777 --> 0:45:40.137 Tate thing, because the Tates were giving a message of 0:45:40.337 --> 0:45:42.057 that I don't even agree with, which is, oh, you 0:45:42.097 --> 0:45:45.577 need a car, need the watches, you need the swag. 0:45:45.617 --> 0:45:47.577 And I realized they were just doing that for marketing. 0:45:47.617 --> 0:45:49.297 So that's why I think the Tate thing is such 0:45:49.337 --> 0:45:53.537 an interesting phenomena, because a right wing critique of the 0:45:53.577 --> 0:45:57.057 Tates would be, well, if you're chasing watches and cars, 0:45:57.217 --> 0:46:01.377 you're actually chasing left wing secular hedonism, right, You're not. 0:46:01.697 --> 0:46:04.217 You're not teaching. And I realized it takes it more 0:46:04.217 --> 0:46:06.097 and I'm gonna have the tape people, Matt, I love 0:46:06.137 --> 0:46:08.377 this because I'm gonna have the Tate haters man, because 0:46:08.377 --> 0:46:10.297 they're gonna say I defended him, and I'm going to 0:46:10.337 --> 0:46:12.457 have to take super fans mad because they're saying that 0:46:12.457 --> 0:46:15.777 I'm like somehow attacking them. Right. But the way I 0:46:15.817 --> 0:46:18.897 look at it is that we I You know, you 0:46:18.897 --> 0:46:20.577 don't ever see me front and you don't ever see 0:46:20.617 --> 0:46:23.697 me flexing. You don't want to do that. Which you 0:46:23.737 --> 0:46:26.177 want to teach young men is find your purpose, find 0:46:26.177 --> 0:46:28.977 your mission. You're allowed to have one. You don't have 0:46:29.017 --> 0:46:32.417 to live for women, because too much of a conservative 0:46:32.497 --> 0:46:35.697 Christian movement, unfortunately, is oh, you're a man, you know 0:46:35.817 --> 0:46:38.097 your job is to be like a pack mule, loads 0:46:38.137 --> 0:46:42.417 yourself up and well where it's not even necessarily biblical, right, 0:46:42.457 --> 0:46:44.657 So where are you even getting at the Bible. So 0:46:44.777 --> 0:46:48.617 there's a there's a third way, which is masculinity is 0:46:48.617 --> 0:46:52.297 about finding your mission and finding your purpose, waking up 0:46:52.297 --> 0:46:56.297 and trying to accomplish something right, trying to fight with 0:46:56.337 --> 0:46:59.897 the dragons, trying to wrestle with the oppression, trying to 0:46:59.937 --> 0:47:02.737 have some vibe right, some aura. So much of that, 0:47:02.817 --> 0:47:05.377 so much of it is a feeling and that's what 0:47:05.857 --> 0:47:07.417 men not only need to be told, but that's what 0:47:07.537 --> 0:47:10.417 people like us have to try to model in our 0:47:10.457 --> 0:47:12.817 own way, which is, hey, look, man, you're gonna get 0:47:12.857 --> 0:47:15.337 beat up. People are gonna say stuff about you. This nasty. 0:47:15.497 --> 0:47:18.817 I've been attacked over lines of blue and tape. Imagine 0:47:18.857 --> 0:47:24.017 the same three weeks you're attacked for allegedly the human 0:47:24.017 --> 0:47:26.817 trafficking thing, and then allegedly for knowing somebody who is 0:47:26.857 --> 0:47:31.457 allegedly maybe has an alternative narrative on her own traffing story, right, 0:47:32.017 --> 0:47:33.897 and but you just but that's where you just as 0:47:33.897 --> 0:47:36.577 a man, you just say, man, this is part of life. Right. 0:47:36.617 --> 0:47:38.137 How lucky it is that we get to do this 0:47:38.257 --> 0:47:40.897 all day and we get to take these attacks. Imagine 0:47:40.937 --> 0:47:43.337 how our lives could have ended up so differently or 0:47:43.457 --> 0:47:46.737 so much less interesting than I do think that's important. 0:47:46.977 --> 0:47:48.497 I do think that the same way that if you 0:47:48.537 --> 0:47:52.777 believe in you know the duality that is that essential 0:47:52.817 --> 0:47:55.577 to our existence. Right, If you believe in heaven, you 0:47:55.617 --> 0:47:57.537 believe in hell. If you believe in good, you believe 0:47:57.537 --> 0:48:02.657 in evil. With those with the basic framework for understanding 0:48:02.697 --> 0:48:04.737 or day to day lives in place or our existence, 0:48:04.737 --> 0:48:08.017 I should say you're going to piss some people off, 0:48:08.457 --> 0:48:10.257 because if there are if there's evil in the world, 0:48:10.257 --> 0:48:12.017 there are people doing evil, and if you're going to 0:48:12.057 --> 0:48:16.657 do something about it, you're going to upset those who 0:48:16.937 --> 0:48:19.697 are wrong. You're going to upset those who are making 0:48:19.697 --> 0:48:22.537 the world a worst place. So, while you know, I 0:48:22.577 --> 0:48:24.537 don't go out there looking to stick my thumb in 0:48:24.537 --> 0:48:27.697 the eye of people, there are people whose hatred or 0:48:27.817 --> 0:48:32.217 disdain or whatever is a badge of honor. And I 0:48:32.257 --> 0:48:36.137 do feel that way, right And you know you're smiling. 0:48:36.137 --> 0:48:39.257 You do enjoy poking your finger. It's okay to admit that, Okay, Okay, 0:48:39.337 --> 0:48:43.217 that's true, Okay to tell It's okay to tell men 0:48:43.297 --> 0:48:44.817 you know what, conflict is good, but it needs to 0:48:44.817 --> 0:48:48.417 be conflict for the right cause rights. It's okay to 0:48:48.497 --> 0:48:50.897 have a little bit of indignation if it's righteous Indi Nation. 0:48:50.977 --> 0:48:53.857 It's not okay to be a Karen. It's not okay 0:48:53.857 --> 0:48:56.657 to be crying over nonsense. It's not okay to hate 0:48:56.657 --> 0:48:59.777 women or to say because you have some bad dating 0:48:59.817 --> 0:49:02.137 experiences at all, women are like that or is. And 0:49:02.177 --> 0:49:04.577 it's not okay to just be a pack mule, to 0:49:04.657 --> 0:49:07.217 let get walked on either conflict is okay, but you 0:49:07.257 --> 0:49:10.457 need to again find that purpose within yourself elf and 0:49:10.497 --> 0:49:13.017 then find out that this is a righteous cause, and 0:49:13.017 --> 0:49:15.257 then conflict is good and it's necessary, and I think 0:49:15.297 --> 0:49:18.577 it's very healthy and it's very masculine. One thing I 0:49:18.617 --> 0:49:20.137 want to ask you about. You know, there's this trend 0:49:20.137 --> 0:49:26.817 I'm sure you've seen of women shaming men for allegedly 0:49:26.937 --> 0:49:29.417 looking at them in the gym, right if you've seen this, 0:49:29.457 --> 0:49:32.177 and this has got a lot of attention recently. There's 0:49:32.177 --> 0:49:33.417 a lot of things I would say by this. I 0:49:33.417 --> 0:49:35.777 mean I go to a gym down here in Florida 0:49:35.897 --> 0:49:38.337 where I've never experienced this before in New York City, 0:49:38.377 --> 0:49:40.617 but there are a lot of women in the gym 0:49:41.137 --> 0:49:43.737 who are you know. I just got married recently too, 0:49:43.737 --> 0:49:47.377 so I've got the blinder song. But there are a 0:49:47.377 --> 0:49:51.737 lot of women in the gym who are influencers. Some 0:49:51.817 --> 0:49:55.217 of them are known to other Jim staffers, for example, 0:49:55.257 --> 0:50:01.857 as having very lucrative only fans careers, things like that, 0:50:02.377 --> 0:50:04.617 and so that's very common here in South Florida at 0:50:04.617 --> 0:50:06.777 certain gyms. You're just gonna look at this where for 0:50:06.817 --> 0:50:08.217 people look a certain way, they have to spend a 0:50:08.217 --> 0:50:09.697 certain amount of time in the gym, and I get 0:50:09.737 --> 0:50:15.577 all that, but I worry that women are are not 0:50:15.657 --> 0:50:19.777 being given good messages and a variety of ways about 0:50:19.897 --> 0:50:23.937 their beauty, and that it is now being it is 0:50:23.937 --> 0:50:26.497 now thought of more than ever as a commodity, meaning 0:50:26.497 --> 0:50:30.217 the monetizeable, that your sexuality and your beauty as a 0:50:30.257 --> 0:50:33.657 woman is a monetizeable asset first and foremost beyond anything 0:50:33.657 --> 0:50:36.217 else instead of something. So yes, of course, be charity. 0:50:36.217 --> 0:50:38.177 You know you have a lovely wife. I have a 0:50:38.177 --> 0:50:40.097 lovely wife. I would say, you know, you can trust 0:50:40.097 --> 0:50:44.137 a guy with a lovely wife. But that's the point 0:50:44.257 --> 0:50:47.257 is actually to to appreciate beauty and too also to 0:50:47.697 --> 0:50:49.017 see it for what it is. And for a lot 0:50:49.057 --> 0:50:52.777 of these women, I think to find a great I mean, 0:50:52.937 --> 0:50:54.737 you know, we're supposed to say life partner, but husband, 0:50:54.737 --> 0:50:57.337 I mean to find somebody to build a life with. 0:50:57.457 --> 0:50:59.697 And attraction is important in all of this. And I 0:50:59.737 --> 0:51:01.817 just think that now you have a lot of these 0:51:01.857 --> 0:51:05.617 women who one are very insecure even though they're very 0:51:05.617 --> 0:51:08.217 good looking, because there there's a hyper focus on it 0:51:08.257 --> 0:51:10.977 because of social media. And two it's just like an 0:51:10.977 --> 0:51:14.297 ATM machine now and they wait until they're forty and 0:51:14.337 --> 0:51:16.497 then they turn around they're like, well, I'm so beautiful 0:51:16.777 --> 0:51:22.377 now I want my husband gets a lot harder. Well, 0:51:22.377 --> 0:51:24.457 it gets yeah, it gets a lot harder for a man. Two. 0:51:24.497 --> 0:51:28.337 And that's something that I've noticed that when you watch videos. 0:51:29.177 --> 0:51:31.377 One actually good TikTok trend is they go and ask 0:51:31.417 --> 0:51:33.097 older people, oh, how old are you, and they'll say, 0:51:33.137 --> 0:51:36.937 I'm sixty five. What's sixty five feel like? And one 0:51:36.977 --> 0:51:39.417 of the themes is that you see the world the 0:51:39.457 --> 0:51:41.857 same way, but you're old now, right, And if you're 0:51:41.857 --> 0:51:44.457 a man, you usually have more self awareness and realize, Okay, 0:51:44.457 --> 0:51:46.617 I'm gonna I'm an old, old guy now. And for 0:51:46.857 --> 0:51:50.377 oftentimes the women, it's harder to make that transition, which 0:51:50.417 --> 0:51:52.617 is in your mind, like you know, you're forty one 0:51:52.617 --> 0:51:56.217 on forty five, and our minds were still like twenty five, right, 0:51:56.257 --> 0:51:58.417 And that's actually how men get injured doing things because 0:51:58.417 --> 0:52:00.537 you're like, oh, I no, no. My wife asked me 0:52:00.577 --> 0:52:02.177 earlier to climb a tree and I was like, I'm 0:52:02.177 --> 0:52:04.377 not going to climb that tree. She goes, well, I 0:52:04.497 --> 0:52:06.377 go because if I fall down, I'm gonna hurt. Man. 0:52:06.577 --> 0:52:13.577 You know, if I were we're still there. Yeah, yeah, 0:52:13.697 --> 0:52:17.577 keep going. Yeah, And so the world looks at you differently, 0:52:17.977 --> 0:52:19.617 and a lot of people have to accept that. But 0:52:19.657 --> 0:52:24.737 as to the gym thing, it's like a lingerat show Man. 0:52:24.857 --> 0:52:28.297 Sometimes it really is ridiculous. One gem I going. I 0:52:28.377 --> 0:52:32.617 started going on a different hour because I don't I 0:52:32.617 --> 0:52:35.857 don't want to just have those curient thoughts like I 0:52:36.377 --> 0:52:40.057 don't watch pornography. I try to avoid the ig. I 0:52:40.177 --> 0:52:42.457 changed my algorithm so I don't see you know, all 0:52:42.457 --> 0:52:45.777 that kind of stuff. Go ahead, No, no, no no, I 0:52:45.777 --> 0:52:47.337 don't want to interrupt you. I just I think this 0:52:47.377 --> 0:52:51.257 is so important for men while while while promoting masculinity. 0:52:51.297 --> 0:52:53.457 And look, I'm the first to admit I drank too 0:52:53.537 --> 0:52:55.697 much in my twenties. I should have worked out more, 0:52:55.817 --> 0:52:58.297 I should have gotten more sleep, you know, twenties in 0:52:58.297 --> 0:53:02.537 into my thirties, I you know that there were some 0:53:02.577 --> 0:53:04.337 things that I would change definitely about my behavior. I 0:53:04.337 --> 0:53:06.817 will say I've actually never said this before on radio 0:53:06.897 --> 0:53:10.657 or on podcasts, but I made the decision, maybe it 0:53:10.697 --> 0:53:15.097 was about fifteen years ago, to just just no pornography, 0:53:15.257 --> 0:53:19.057 just like not you know, just no pornography, because I 0:53:19.537 --> 0:53:23.257 really started to feel like there was a desensitization that 0:53:23.297 --> 0:53:26.897 occurs from it where you can appreciate, you know, just 0:53:26.977 --> 0:53:30.377 everyday female beauty. And I think that it really does 0:53:30.497 --> 0:53:34.177 damaging things to the male mind. Um if especially if 0:53:34.177 --> 0:53:36.537 you make it a habit of looking at at pornography. 0:53:36.857 --> 0:53:38.377 And I still feel like to this day when you 0:53:38.417 --> 0:53:40.697 say that, people think, oh, are you like, are you 0:53:40.737 --> 0:53:42.537 a puritan? Do you wear like the shoes with the 0:53:42.577 --> 0:53:44.897 little buckles on them? Whatever? It's like but appured in 0:53:44.897 --> 0:53:46.897 at all. I'man sitting here talking about like hot chicks 0:53:46.897 --> 0:53:51.457 in the gym. But but I do think that every 0:53:51.537 --> 0:53:55.137 you know, that that balance and context and and understanding 0:53:55.217 --> 0:53:58.137 habits in which are habituated to as a man is 0:53:58.217 --> 0:54:03.137 really important and it's and it's the grating too, I think. 0:54:03.217 --> 0:54:06.337 So for me, I went through large phases where I 0:54:06.417 --> 0:54:08.897 didn't I didn't watch yet, and then I would get 0:54:08.897 --> 0:54:11.297 in a bad phase and then I wouldn't watch it, 0:54:11.337 --> 0:54:12.697 and then I just gave it up once and for 0:54:12.737 --> 0:54:15.737 all because it just not to be too crude. But 0:54:15.777 --> 0:54:18.057 I just I think it's undignified to turn on a 0:54:18.137 --> 0:54:22.257 laptop and get moisturized. It's just disgusting. You're like, this 0:54:22.337 --> 0:54:25.137 is just like there there's if there's a night and 0:54:25.177 --> 0:54:27.817 I'm eating a bag of chips on the couch, I'm 0:54:27.897 --> 0:54:30.777 just like, you're a disgusting person, you know, like, who 0:54:30.817 --> 0:54:32.777 are you like? And I get up and you know, 0:54:33.377 --> 0:54:34.897 there's just an idea that if you're a man, you 0:54:34.897 --> 0:54:37.857 should have some kind of basic level of dignity. And 0:54:38.057 --> 0:54:40.257 you know, laying around with pringles in your face, it's 0:54:40.257 --> 0:54:43.217 just a gross way to live. And the same thing too, 0:54:43.297 --> 0:54:46.297 is up gonna fire up the old laptop. That's gross. Man, 0:54:46.537 --> 0:54:48.337 you don't want to live like that, right, You are 0:54:48.377 --> 0:54:50.577 capable of so much more as a man. How do you? 0:54:50.897 --> 0:54:52.537 Totally I totally agree with you. And I think that 0:54:52.577 --> 0:54:56.297 people on the right should feel more just, people in 0:54:56.297 --> 0:54:58.777 general should feel guys in general should feel more comfortable 0:54:58.817 --> 0:55:01.937 talking about how the I think one of the ways 0:55:01.937 --> 0:55:04.257 that the apparatus tries to control you is actually is 0:55:04.257 --> 0:55:08.177 actually through the desensitization of the twenty four seven access 0:55:08.217 --> 0:55:10.617 to pornography, and the normal is a of that. Like 0:55:10.697 --> 0:55:12.577 there's just you know, for a long time, people forget 0:55:12.617 --> 0:55:14.817 there was more porn being watched on the Internet than 0:55:14.937 --> 0:55:17.777 literally anything else I mean, right, and again, I know 0:55:17.817 --> 0:55:20.217 it sounds like I'm like, you know, like church lady, like, 0:55:20.217 --> 0:55:22.097 why are all the people watching the porn? It's like, no, 0:55:22.217 --> 0:55:24.977 that's not That's not what I'm trying to say. I'm 0:55:24.977 --> 0:55:26.337 trying to say it's not good for the guys who 0:55:26.337 --> 0:55:29.737 are doing it. As somebody who appreciates female beauty and 0:55:30.057 --> 0:55:32.257 thinks that you know, having a you know, having an 0:55:32.297 --> 0:55:35.617 attractive girlfriend or a wife or whatever something that should 0:55:35.657 --> 0:55:38.297 be aspirational for men. And you know, attractiveness is in 0:55:38.337 --> 0:55:39.657 the eye of the beholder and all that, and I 0:55:39.697 --> 0:55:42.777 get that too, but um, I think that this is 0:55:42.777 --> 0:55:44.097 an area where there could be a lot, a lot 0:55:44.137 --> 0:55:46.457 more done. Mike. I could talk to you for like 0:55:46.497 --> 0:55:48.777 three hours, but I'm not quite at the level yet, 0:55:48.857 --> 0:55:52.017 like like the Rogan three hour long podcast, So we're 0:55:52.017 --> 0:55:54.977 gonna have to have you back further time. I just 0:55:55.057 --> 0:55:59.137 wanted what what what it makes you feel positive about 0:55:59.177 --> 0:56:01.097 the future, and that you think people should hear, And 0:56:01.097 --> 0:56:02.617 then I want you to tell everybody where they should 0:56:02.617 --> 0:56:04.177 go to follow your work and just sort of see 0:56:04.217 --> 0:56:07.337 what you're what you're up to these days. Well, what 0:56:07.417 --> 0:56:09.737 makes me feel positive about the future is always remember 0:56:09.777 --> 0:56:13.537 what had the one hundredth anniversary. Well recently we had 0:56:13.577 --> 0:56:16.377 the one hundredth anniversary of the end of World War One, 0:56:16.697 --> 0:56:19.057 and I always encourage people to go read about that 0:56:19.137 --> 0:56:21.537 war and what our lives would have been like if 0:56:21.577 --> 0:56:24.417 we had been a draftable age, and that in the 0:56:24.417 --> 0:56:26.297 Battle of Psalm, and learn more and more and more 0:56:26.297 --> 0:56:28.337 about World War One. Do you have a favorite World 0:56:28.377 --> 0:56:32.417 War One book? Yeah, Paul Fussell wrote a book. He 0:56:32.417 --> 0:56:35.457 also wrote a book class about it. And I forget 0:56:35.457 --> 0:56:37.937 the book title, but Paul Fussell's book on World War 0:56:37.977 --> 0:56:40.337 One is my favorite because I sent a lot of 0:56:40.377 --> 0:56:43.577 poetry and a lot of the literary devices at the time, 0:56:43.937 --> 0:56:49.297 and the death tolls are literally incomprehensible. Would be like, 0:56:50.897 --> 0:56:54.017 right now, well that happened, Okay, it's one hundred thousand 0:56:54.417 --> 0:56:56.977 men dead. That makes me optimistic. Also why we have 0:56:57.017 --> 0:56:58.657 to make sure we don't bumble our way into it 0:56:59.537 --> 0:57:03.817 with Russia and Ukraine, because we bumbled into it. So 0:57:04.017 --> 0:57:06.817 that is really is still the best time to be alive. Man. 0:57:07.217 --> 0:57:09.497 All this, oh there's a war on men. This all 0:57:09.537 --> 0:57:13.497 that true? You would still never ever ever have one 0:57:13.577 --> 0:57:15.857 have been born in another air because there's a man 0:57:15.937 --> 0:57:18.937 You can create your own destiny, right, I don't believe 0:57:19.017 --> 0:57:21.617 in living the life of a Heatonist. But if you 0:57:21.697 --> 0:57:24.337 wanted to live a life of Roman emperor as a man, 0:57:24.897 --> 0:57:28.337 you could. You could do that. And don't do that, guys, 0:57:28.377 --> 0:57:29.737 I don't think that's a good way to live, but 0:57:29.777 --> 0:57:32.337 you could. There's no there's never been a time in 0:57:32.337 --> 0:57:33.617 the history of the world where you, as a man 0:57:33.697 --> 0:57:35.857 can really choose your own adventure if you want to 0:57:35.897 --> 0:57:38.657 work for it. And every day I'm grateful because look 0:57:38.657 --> 0:57:40.257 at us, we're talking like this. Now, this would have 0:57:40.297 --> 0:57:44.617 been impossible. We'd have been working the fields as medieval peasants, right. Yeah, 0:57:45.457 --> 0:57:48.017 we're hanging out talking and hundreds of thousands of people 0:57:48.097 --> 0:57:50.937 are gonna hear our conversation, maybe benefit from it a 0:57:50.977 --> 0:57:54.257 little bit and be able to say, you know, I 0:57:54.377 --> 0:57:56.657 learned something or I have a different perspective on things. 0:57:56.777 --> 0:57:58.297 And we didn't even have to leave our houses to 0:57:58.337 --> 0:58:01.697 do it. It's really pretty crazy. And then people are 0:58:01.697 --> 0:58:03.377 able to listen to so even if they have a 0:58:03.457 --> 0:58:06.057 job that's maybe a little bit boring, Well, I had 0:58:06.097 --> 0:58:08.097 boring jobs too, and you didn't have pot. You had 0:58:08.137 --> 0:58:10.817 a portable CD player if you were lucky, a walkman 0:58:10.937 --> 0:58:13.577 or something. So there's never been a better time to 0:58:13.577 --> 0:58:16.537 be alive, and people should recognize that which they follow 0:58:16.577 --> 0:58:19.937 all things Cernovich. My substack is pretty good Mike Cernovich 0:58:20.017 --> 0:58:23.217 dot substack dot com and then Twitter at Cernovich. But 0:58:23.297 --> 0:58:27.337 the substack we're doing things very little politics. They are 0:58:27.497 --> 0:58:30.297 much more culture, family, trying to scare things in a 0:58:30.337 --> 0:58:34.337 different direction. Awesome, Mike, great talking to you man. Ever 0:58:34.377 --> 0:58:35.937 since we hung out that time at the Trump Hotel, 0:58:35.977 --> 0:58:37.217 I figure we're going to be able to do a 0:58:37.257 --> 0:58:39.377 long form and we'll have you back because there's a 0:58:39.377 --> 0:58:41.417 lot more I'm sure people, and I hope people will 0:58:41.417 --> 0:58:42.817 tell me what else they want you and me to 0:58:42.857 --> 0:58:45.817 talk about in the future, and as this podcast continues 0:58:45.857 --> 0:58:47.857 to grow in addition to you know, the radio show 0:58:47.857 --> 0:58:50.897 I do, which fortunately is rather substantial, So we're going 0:58:50.937 --> 0:58:52.497 to keep keep this going. Mike, thank you so much 0:58:52.497 --> 0:58:54.217 for your time, and it's great to see you. Thanks. Brother,