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Speaker 1: You're listening to The Buck Sexton Show podcast, make sure

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Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts. Hey everybody, Welcome to another

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Speaker 1: episode of The Buck Sexton Show. We're joined by Mike Sernovich.

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Speaker 1: He is an independent journalist, commentator, or filmmaker, a man

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Speaker 1: of many talents and abilities and has a lot to

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Speaker 1: talk to us about today. Mike, first time on the show.

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Speaker 1: Welcome sir, Thank you my pleasure. So I gotta ask you,

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Speaker 1: how are we doing these days on the right? When

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Speaker 1: people ask you that question or when you think about that,

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Speaker 1: what are the first things that come to mind? Well,

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Speaker 1: the first thing that comes to mind is they did

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Speaker 1: when a mid term with the House, and they did

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Speaker 1: get a popular vote majority, which mattered of course before

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Speaker 1: the current time. Right, Well, they won the popular vote

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Speaker 1: for the House. That's the good news. The other good

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Speaker 1: news is the Senate is looking good in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: Republicans can take that the you know, on the other hand,

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Speaker 1: there's a lack of purpose and mission caused by an

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Speaker 1: obsession with the twenty twenty election that like just won't

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Speaker 1: go away. So you have a number of people myself included,

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Speaker 1: and I'm becoming more of a dinosaur who says I mean,

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Speaker 1: of course, every you can read about the Jfkle election,

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Speaker 1: you can read about Bush versus Gore. Democrats had their

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Speaker 1: opinion on that, of course, but you have to move

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Speaker 1: on or you have to have some kind of solution.

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Speaker 1: You can't dwell on it. And the right is currently

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Speaker 1: obsessed with it and will not let it go. And

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Speaker 1: anyone who doesn't think that's the most important issue as

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Speaker 1: a traitor controlled opposition not ready for the moment. And

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Speaker 1: that's people saying that as a large percentage of the

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Speaker 1: voting bates, that's a huge problem. And I don't know what,

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Speaker 1: if anything, is going to be done about that problem. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I was gonna ask you what you said, a huge percentage?

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Speaker 1: What percent of the GOP base would you estimate based

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Speaker 1: on your interactions with them, are completely and unalterably, at

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Speaker 1: least for now, committed to the idea that Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: won in twenty twenty, and therefore a replay of twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty in terms of strategy, candidate, everything would be to

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Speaker 1: And I'm not somebody thinks it was a clean election.

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Speaker 1: But to me, that becomes irrelevant at some point unless

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Speaker 1: we're talking about fixes to the election. Do you think

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Speaker 1: there's anything Is this an unfalsifiable claim? Now for many people,

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty election was stolen and therefore it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: We just have to have Donald Trump again because he'll

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Speaker 1: win this time. There's so there's two elements to that.

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Speaker 1: the rise of the Trump movement, are you accused? Like?

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Speaker 1: and I appreciate Trump, but I at this on this issue,

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Speaker 1: I break from some of the narrative. Right, do you

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you knew, especially in twenty sixteen, I was hated,

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Speaker 1: these dishonest conservative pipe piper leaders right. So to me,

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Speaker 1: from twenty seventeen Foreign Policy magazine. So people go, you know,

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Speaker 1: twenty seventeen, the name and everything which you can't even

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Speaker 1: same guy that I said in twenty seventeen was was

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Speaker 1: it's actually the opposite. I was such a pro Trumper

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Speaker 1: Trump when he could have reversed chorus, and they didn't

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Speaker 1: seen through? Right? What was it within Trump's control or

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Speaker 1: the wall, for example. Well, you know the answer to that.

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Speaker 1: Oh he just didn't know how vicious it was gonna be. Well,

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Speaker 1: a oh yet one hundred and fifty votes out of

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Speaker 1: here and it turns out as a senior living center. Right,

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Speaker 1: So there's a lot and because elections are so close,

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Speaker 1: everything like that really does matter, and you need someone

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Speaker 1: who's going to focus on that. Well, this is the

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Speaker 1: part of it that I also got very frustrated after

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty because anybody who wants to talk about how

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Speaker 1: we can find when there's illegal ballot harving, ballot harvesting,

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Speaker 1: find that stop that. Anybody wants to talk about mail

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Speaker 1: in ballot campaigns for Republicans, how we need to match

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Speaker 1: fight fire with fire, and says, look at Florida, look

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Speaker 1: at Rhndissantis just did in his reelection. Mail in ballots

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Speaker 1: can be done. It can be done safely and securely,

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Speaker 1: but you need to get the stuff set up. I'm

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Speaker 1: all about that. And looking for fraud and setting up

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Speaker 1: systems to catch fraud, I'm all about that too. But

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Speaker 1: whenever I say to them, at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: it's scoreboard, and if they put up the points and

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Speaker 1: we can't prove that they cheated, thinking they cheated is

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Speaker 1: one thing. Fine, Yeah, sure I think they cheated, But

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Speaker 1: I think they always cheat. If we can't prove it,

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Speaker 1: we lose. And this is just where we come to.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I had people in the months after the election,

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Speaker 1: I'd be like, and I don't mean when Trump is

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Speaker 1: still in office. I'm talking about you know, let's say

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Speaker 1: April of twenty twenty one, I'd say, oh, you know,

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Speaker 1: President Biden, and I'd be at live events. They say,

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Speaker 1: don't call him that, he's not the president, and I'm

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Speaker 1: looking at him like, guys, you know, he is the president.

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Speaker 1: You can say he cheated and it sucks and I

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Speaker 1: wish it weren't the case, but like you know, we

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Speaker 1: got we gotta pushed through this a little bit. And

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Speaker 1: I just worry that the thinking of the twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: obsession is going to be a big problem for us

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four. And I try to tell everybody

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden, look, yes, everything you say about him, he's

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Speaker 1: a clown. His son is a disaster. They're criminals, they

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Speaker 1: pedal influence. I mean, no one criticizes him and sees

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Speaker 1: it I think more clearly than I do. I mean,

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Speaker 1: other people see it the same way. But Mike, he's

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Speaker 1: gonna get forty nine percent of the vote, right, I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's where we are. And I just need everybody on

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Speaker 1: the right to understand that because I see these polls. Oh,

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Speaker 1: people think Biden shouldn't run again. Guess what if he

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Speaker 1: runs again, those people who are Democrats are going to

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Speaker 1: vote for him without a second thought. We just had

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Speaker 1: an election That's why I tell people too. People send

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Speaker 1: me polls here and there, and I go, we just

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Speaker 1: had a midterm, brother, Why are we talking about polls

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Speaker 1: a few months after a midterm? Yeah? Right, that's how

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Speaker 1: I feel about polls. This sixty one percent of the

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Speaker 1: country says that it's going to the wrong direction. Great,

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Speaker 1: we had an election and ste of the electorate didn't

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Speaker 1: vote Republican. We didn't have that slave that we thought.

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Speaker 1: It was all very close, hotly contested elections. Bobert almost

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Speaker 1: sawst hearsy it was. It was brutal, and again without

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Speaker 1: the Santest and Zelden, it very well may have been

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Speaker 1: a narrow majority under Nancy Pelosi for another two years.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know the poll And this is again

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Speaker 1: my biggest problem with the right, and probably this spoils

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Speaker 1: into my overall life philosophy. We if you have an audience,

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Speaker 1: you have to be a leader, and you have to

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Speaker 1: lead your people in the right direction. You do not

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Speaker 1: pander to their delusions because you want another click, you

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Speaker 1: want another retweet or whatever. I've never pandered to everything

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Speaker 1: I've said, even the things which are even the crazy

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Speaker 1: things I've said, are aging better than maybe I thought

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Speaker 1: it's because I believe it and I want to steer

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Speaker 1: my people in the right direction and telling telling our people,

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Speaker 1: oh yeah, sixty one percent Biden wrong direct. I say,

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Speaker 1: shake them up. Did you not pay attention to what

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Speaker 1: has happened? Two hundred and twenty two seats? And it

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Speaker 1: turns out, Santos, we're gonna just plan on losing that one.

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Speaker 1: So you need to just be thinking already, how are

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Speaker 1: you gonna get bobert reelected? Double recounts? Right, barely, that's

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Speaker 1: how close everything is going to be. Every vote counts

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Speaker 1: Orange County, there's still one seat shy of where it

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Speaker 1: was before the ballot harvesting of twenty eighteen. So even

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Speaker 1: though the California GOP has gained ground and retook a

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Speaker 1: bunch of the seats that were wrongfully taken in twenty eighteen,

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Speaker 1: there's still sheets a seat shot. I was thinking of sheets.

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Speaker 1: I was thinking of the guys a dreams sheets actually,

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Speaker 1: but it's the electoral seats. And that's what we have

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Speaker 1: to do, is you shake our people up, you guys.

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Speaker 1: You need to focus on the right issues. I think

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Speaker 1: that's that's essential. I want to ask a question. We'll

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Speaker 1: old because I have to have to give a word

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Speaker 1: to our sponsor for a second. Mike, But when come back,

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Speaker 1: I want you to address this. Why is Mike Cernovich

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Speaker 1: considered so controversial? I want to can we can we

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Speaker 1: get into that a little bit, because you know, I

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Speaker 1: follow your Twitter and I'll sometime say it, even sometimes

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Speaker 1: people in the right like, oh, well, I never get really,

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Speaker 1: oh Cernovich, he's so controversial, like the other people in

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Speaker 1: the black helicopters are gonna come and kidnap me because

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Speaker 1: I follow Cernovich on Twitter and like some of the stuff.

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Speaker 1: We'll get back back into that in a second. But

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Speaker 1: the Towers at t twot dot org. That's t the

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Speaker 1: number two T dot org. All right, Mike Cernovich controversial?

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Speaker 1: Why do they come after you so hard? Man? Well?

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Speaker 1: What do you do to upset the apparatus so much? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I often say I'm probably the most widely read person

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Speaker 1: that people won't admit that they read because I'll say

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Speaker 1: something no one else had ever said, And then all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden that's circulating widely and largely the reason

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Speaker 1: I'm controversial or seeing that way is in twenty fifteen

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Speaker 1: and twenty sixteen, I viewed the presidency as an existential

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Speaker 1: crisis and stopping Hillary Clinton was the most important thing

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Speaker 1: that I could have ever possibly have done with my life.

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Speaker 1: And I didn't have kids. I honestly didn't care if

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Speaker 1: that election killed me. I didn't where I was at

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Speaker 1: the time. We would have been in World War three

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Speaker 1: with Syria and Hillary Clinton one. So as much as

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Speaker 1: I you know Trump this all the criticism is buffered

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Speaker 1: by the fact that we prevented World War three by

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Speaker 1: working to elect Trump, and everyone should feel good about

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Speaker 1: that for humanity. It was one of the greatest gifts

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Speaker 1: that we could have given humanity in our lives, and

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Speaker 1: Trump deserves all the credit for that. But if twenty

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Speaker 1: fifteen twenty sixteen, I was pretty mean, if you were

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Speaker 1: a you know, conservative, was the term like, we've we

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Speaker 1: fought viciously and we weren't We weren't nice to people,

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Speaker 1: So I made a lot of enemies, which, as you know,

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Speaker 1: that's not a good way to be an influencer or

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Speaker 1: a media personality. It's not good. Like late, I think

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Speaker 1: Jordan Peterson has been doing things to sabotage the right.

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Speaker 1: Who's going to criticize Jordan Peterson. Accept me. Nobody can

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Speaker 1: say that I'm wrong, right, Everybody in my notifications when

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Speaker 1: I said, well, wait, why is Jordan Peterson calling out

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Speaker 1: Christian rufo Into Santez for trying to reform higher education

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Speaker 1: when Jordan's whole brand is the far left? Is it

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Speaker 1: going too far? Well, okay, so, but legislative action is happening,

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Speaker 1: and now you suddenly have a problem. No one else

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Speaker 1: but me is gonna say that, because well, one then

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Speaker 1: you're gonna get You're not gonna be on the podcast circle.

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Speaker 1: You know. I'm I'm persona on Garrata because Jordan Peterson

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Speaker 1: is a you know, perfect saint. But you notice, if

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Speaker 1: you ever read the replies, nobody says cert of it's

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Speaker 1: you're factually incorrect. They go, oh, you're jealous. His book

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Speaker 1: sells more than you. Blah blah blah. Which is you know,

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Speaker 1: and anybody who knows can attest. I'm not trying to

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Speaker 1: ever get on anyone's podcast. I always say, find an

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Speaker 1: email on me. Try trying to be on someone's podcast, right,

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Speaker 1: that's so far from where I don't want to do.

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Speaker 1: But there's no one who if I think you're steering

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Speaker 1: the right in a bad direction or the country in

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Speaker 1: a bad direction. I don't care how popular you are.

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Speaker 1: I don't care if you have this halo effect on you.

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Speaker 1: So I'll criticize Trump and Jordan Peterson the same tweet,

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Speaker 1: and then that that then I'm controversial. Now Osernovich is

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Speaker 1: at it again, rather than just say okay, well, but

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Speaker 1: is he actually correct though? Is this this is a

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Speaker 1: correct point? So live it is vibe and aura because

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Speaker 1: I go, I mean, I go hard. That's why I

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Speaker 1: don't play um. I don't ask for sympathy or a

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Speaker 1: pity party because I do go hard and people people

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Speaker 1: go hard back to me. But that's more where you

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Speaker 1: know why people see me as controversial, because yeah, I

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Speaker 1: do go, I do go hard. If I think you're

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Speaker 1: you're up to something that's steering the right wing in

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Speaker 1: a wrong direction, then I'm gonna come at you in

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Speaker 1: a way that other people won't. Speaking of the Jordan Peterson,

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Speaker 1: I mean, one thing that I do think is getting

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Speaker 1: a lot more attention. There's Jordan Peterson, and then more

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Speaker 1: recently there's been Andrew Tate, who, as I speak to you,

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Speaker 1: is still in prison. They have leveled all these allegations

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Speaker 1: against him. He's an American citizen who has not been

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Speaker 1: afforded time before a judge. They're just holding him. He says,

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Speaker 1: he's innocent. The charges are are very serious. But we

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Speaker 1: know that he was speaking, particularly in the last six

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Speaker 1: months or so, a lot about what it means to

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Speaker 1: be a man, what young men should hear. And people said, oh,

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Speaker 1: we set all these terrible things the past. I say, oh, well,

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Speaker 1: that that may well be true, but there is still

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Speaker 1: a need, regardless of any individual, regardless of any influencer,

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Speaker 1: to look at the all out assault on masculinity and

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Speaker 1: this is a real thing. We're all aware of it

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Speaker 1: that is underway. Toxic masculinity as a term is something

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Speaker 1: that kids are learning in school and being taught that

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Speaker 1: they should be aware of. Do you think the right

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Speaker 1: is doing is beginning to do enough? I guess say, hey,

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Speaker 1: you know, have we the term woke? You know, whenever

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Speaker 1: I say have we awoke in I'm gonna be like, oh, well,

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Speaker 1: not wokeness, but are we h waking up to the

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Speaker 1: all out assault on masculinity and gender as part of

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Speaker 1: the leftist program as something that is an intentional part

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Speaker 1: of strategy. That realization m was part of why Trump

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Speaker 1: won in twenty sixteen because he was seen as someone

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Speaker 1: who really kind of unders So that that's why I

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Speaker 1: think that Trump's most recent nasty comments about the Santaest

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Speaker 1: is just going to fail. Right, Oh, here's the Santist

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Speaker 1: at a graduation party, and they're like, oh, okay, so

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00:32:45,057 --> 00:32:49,417
Speaker 1: here's a young de Santest and doing a normal thing.

637
00:32:50,257 --> 00:32:52,497
Speaker 1: And now so now they're trying to flip that, which

638
00:32:52,537 --> 00:32:55,657
Speaker 1: is what I by the way, I have no I

639
00:32:55,697 --> 00:32:58,497
Speaker 1: have no tolerance for the Oh he was a twenty

640
00:32:58,497 --> 00:33:01,017
Speaker 1: three year old teacher who posed in a photo with

641
00:33:01,137 --> 00:33:03,057
Speaker 1: some of his students and like maybe one of them

642
00:33:03,097 --> 00:33:05,937
Speaker 1: had a beer. Let's let's charge it with some let's

643
00:33:06,017 --> 00:33:09,257
Speaker 1: let's allege or insinuate some kind of sexual impropriety. That

644
00:33:09,417 --> 00:33:14,537
Speaker 1: is that is bleeping garbage to do, and everybody knows it. Yeah,

645
00:33:14,537 --> 00:33:17,417
Speaker 1: and it was a graduation party, so you know, as

646
00:33:17,417 --> 00:33:20,457
Speaker 1: you know now it's a different era. But yeah, you go, oh,

647
00:33:20,497 --> 00:33:23,017
Speaker 1: that's our high school teacher come to a graduation party.

648
00:33:23,417 --> 00:33:26,297
Speaker 1: That wasn't a weird thing. And if you actually because

649
00:33:26,297 --> 00:33:28,577
Speaker 1: the New York Times they reported all of this and

650
00:33:28,617 --> 00:33:31,137
Speaker 1: they said he didn't try anything. He didn't do anything.

651
00:33:31,137 --> 00:33:33,857
Speaker 1: He just showed up to a graduation party. The kids

652
00:33:33,857 --> 00:33:35,937
Speaker 1: are like, oh, hey, how are you doing. How you doing, teacher?

653
00:33:35,977 --> 00:33:38,217
Speaker 1: And he's like hi and walks away. And then the

654
00:33:38,257 --> 00:33:40,337
Speaker 1: New York Times, the New York Times couldn't even turn

655
00:33:40,337 --> 00:33:42,697
Speaker 1: that into anything, right. So if you go back and

656
00:33:42,297 --> 00:33:45,457
Speaker 1: read it, when they tried that, everybody said, oh, yeah,

657
00:33:45,497 --> 00:33:48,697
Speaker 1: nothing weird happened. Oh but in hindsight, he shouldn't have

658
00:33:48,737 --> 00:33:51,057
Speaker 1: done it, right, that's where they lend it to. So

659
00:33:51,377 --> 00:33:54,817
Speaker 1: that just shows that people playing into that narrative. They're

660
00:33:54,857 --> 00:33:58,017
Speaker 1: playing into the left wing narrative, which is that, okay,

661
00:33:58,057 --> 00:34:00,697
Speaker 1: so if you're a twenty three year old or twenty

662
00:34:00,697 --> 00:34:03,017
Speaker 1: two to twenty four year old man and you're with

663
00:34:03,097 --> 00:34:06,057
Speaker 1: an adult woman just in the room, you're a groomer. Now,

664
00:34:06,417 --> 00:34:09,897
Speaker 1: where did that come from? That's left wing orthodoxy right there.

665
00:34:10,137 --> 00:34:12,297
Speaker 1: So that's where the people have again lost a plot

666
00:34:12,297 --> 00:34:14,857
Speaker 1: that's not I'm gonna work. But that shows how deep

667
00:34:15,337 --> 00:34:17,937
Speaker 1: the memes are now when people on the right don't realize, oh, yeah,

668
00:34:17,977 --> 00:34:21,897
Speaker 1: I'm actually being played, or for example, the the Andrew

669
00:34:21,897 --> 00:34:26,297
Speaker 1: Tate thing, Now people are if you go read those articles, boy,

670
00:34:26,337 --> 00:34:29,777
Speaker 1: the headlines don't match what's in the story. The headline

671
00:34:29,857 --> 00:34:33,537
Speaker 1: is the latest BBC one I read was oh, and

672
00:34:33,577 --> 00:34:35,497
Speaker 1: I'm in trouble for the Andrew Tait thing too, because

673
00:34:35,497 --> 00:34:39,177
Speaker 1: we've had cigars together too. So that's another reason I'm controversial.

674
00:34:39,257 --> 00:34:43,537
Speaker 1: So I've been embroiled in scandal after scandal where that

675
00:34:43,697 --> 00:34:46,057
Speaker 1: because I've smoked cigars with Andrew Tate. I have to

676
00:34:46,457 --> 00:34:48,977
Speaker 1: you know, I have to either disavow him and convict

677
00:34:49,057 --> 00:34:51,857
Speaker 1: him or I'm like to wait a minute, why don't

678
00:34:51,857 --> 00:34:53,937
Speaker 1: you read the articles. The latest BBC article was a

679
00:34:53,977 --> 00:34:57,897
Speaker 1: woman who said that, oh, yeah, I did cam and

680
00:34:57,937 --> 00:35:00,457
Speaker 1: he gave me half the money, but I felt like

681
00:35:00,457 --> 00:35:02,977
Speaker 1: he manipulated me. Oh and she had done sex work

682
00:35:03,057 --> 00:35:06,297
Speaker 1: before and then she left and they broke up. Right,

683
00:35:06,297 --> 00:35:10,377
Speaker 1: So the headline is Andrew Tate abusive boyfriend, manipulator. Okay,

684
00:35:10,417 --> 00:35:13,137
Speaker 1: well maybe this is finally, maybe they have something finally,

685
00:35:13,137 --> 00:35:15,617
Speaker 1: And then you read it and I go, wait a minute.

686
00:35:15,657 --> 00:35:18,697
Speaker 1: So he had a relationship with a sex worker. He

687
00:35:18,857 --> 00:35:22,257
Speaker 1: tried to get into camp, she didn't want to. Eventually

688
00:35:22,297 --> 00:35:25,057
Speaker 1: she did. He split the money with their fifty fifty.

689
00:35:25,577 --> 00:35:29,657
Speaker 1: She decided their relationship was toxic. That goes both ways.

690
00:35:30,177 --> 00:35:32,737
Speaker 1: Relationships with men and women are both toxic. That happens

691
00:35:32,737 --> 00:35:35,737
Speaker 1: regardless agenda. And then she broke up with them and left.

692
00:35:36,057 --> 00:35:38,497
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, but we're being told that the Tape

693
00:35:38,497 --> 00:35:42,857
Speaker 1: Brothers are the real life Taked movie. That's the narrative.

694
00:35:43,257 --> 00:35:46,377
Speaker 1: The narrative is they're kidnapping people. The narrative isn't that

695
00:35:46,497 --> 00:35:50,137
Speaker 1: they're bad boyfriend. Human traffick. Human trafficking is the allegation

696
00:35:50,137 --> 00:35:53,337
Speaker 1: they're using human trafficking, which is which is a heinous crime, right,

697
00:35:53,497 --> 00:35:56,417
Speaker 1: something people should go to prison for decades for Haine

698
00:35:56,497 --> 00:36:00,097
Speaker 1: is crime. I mean to the human trafficking allegation. I've

699
00:36:00,137 --> 00:36:02,937
Speaker 1: also read in just in the stories that there are

700
00:36:02,937 --> 00:36:05,857
Speaker 1: people that are allegedly human trafficked who are coming and

701
00:36:05,897 --> 00:36:10,337
Speaker 1: going on video as they please with cell phone owns

702
00:36:10,537 --> 00:36:15,537
Speaker 1: and buying designer handbags. So right, if if that's if

703
00:36:15,537 --> 00:36:18,137
Speaker 1: that's human trafficking, I know, I do think you start

704
00:36:18,177 --> 00:36:21,377
Speaker 1: to get to well, is it the is the coercive

705
00:36:21,697 --> 00:36:25,017
Speaker 1: Is it just the psychological brainwashing creates the coercive force?

706
00:36:25,417 --> 00:36:28,297
Speaker 1: But how do you measure that? Yes, And we need

707
00:36:28,337 --> 00:36:31,017
Speaker 1: to talk about that because that's the latest. That's the

708
00:36:31,097 --> 00:36:33,417
Speaker 1: latest ploy the late because two of these, two of

709
00:36:33,417 --> 00:36:38,097
Speaker 1: the women who are free and walking around, they're the victims.

710
00:36:38,097 --> 00:36:41,217
Speaker 1: And the Ukrainian judge said, oh, you've been brainwashed by

711
00:36:41,257 --> 00:36:43,697
Speaker 1: the man. That's all left wing. So the left wing now,

712
00:36:43,737 --> 00:36:46,257
Speaker 1: that's why I was so disgusted by Trump's tweet referring

713
00:36:46,257 --> 00:36:49,737
Speaker 1: to the santests. And that is grooming. Oh so we're

714
00:36:49,737 --> 00:36:52,937
Speaker 1: the left now. And if you're an adult man with

715
00:36:52,977 --> 00:36:56,497
Speaker 1: a woman who's eighteen or older, you are now a groomer.

716
00:36:56,697 --> 00:37:00,737
Speaker 1: Groomors what happens to children, right, Grooming is at something

717
00:37:01,017 --> 00:37:03,257
Speaker 1: that you do not I personally, if I'm twenty four

718
00:37:03,537 --> 00:37:06,537
Speaker 1: and I'm a high school teacher at that era, you

719
00:37:06,617 --> 00:37:08,697
Speaker 1: just go to a graduation party because you don't think

720
00:37:08,817 --> 00:37:11,297
Speaker 1: anything of it because you're actually not a scumbag. Right,

721
00:37:11,297 --> 00:37:13,697
Speaker 1: If you're a scumbag, you wouldn't say like, oh, take

722
00:37:13,737 --> 00:37:16,177
Speaker 1: a picture of me because I want I want proof

723
00:37:16,217 --> 00:37:19,777
Speaker 1: that I can your graduation. It'd be the opposite. But

724
00:37:19,857 --> 00:37:22,777
Speaker 1: that is left ing. Orthodoxy is they're going back now.

725
00:37:23,017 --> 00:37:25,497
Speaker 1: And you can see this in a lot of the cases.

726
00:37:25,537 --> 00:37:29,537
Speaker 1: And the theory. The theory is that if you're you're

727
00:37:29,857 --> 00:37:32,577
Speaker 1: so man, your man brain is so powerful and then

728
00:37:32,697 --> 00:37:36,137
Speaker 1: by extension, the female brain is so manipulable that men

729
00:37:36,177 --> 00:37:41,497
Speaker 1: are now emotionally manipulating women into doing things the woman

730
00:37:42,137 --> 00:37:45,337
Speaker 1: doesn't want to do, and even if she doesn't leave,

731
00:37:45,417 --> 00:37:48,177
Speaker 1: and in fact, by not leaving, that proves your man

732
00:37:48,217 --> 00:37:51,337
Speaker 1: brain is so strong that you're able to exercise this

733
00:37:51,537 --> 00:37:55,137
Speaker 1: mind control over you know, fully formed adult women. That's

734
00:37:55,137 --> 00:37:57,777
Speaker 1: where it is. Because yeah, these two women said they

735
00:37:57,777 --> 00:38:00,657
Speaker 1: were on video and they're like, oh, yeah, you know Andrew,

736
00:38:01,137 --> 00:38:03,297
Speaker 1: he was nice, we love them and everything. And I

737
00:38:03,377 --> 00:38:08,457
Speaker 1: thought to myself, well, you could find how how would

738
00:38:08,457 --> 00:38:10,617
Speaker 1: I know this isn't just two random Romania women? How

739
00:38:10,657 --> 00:38:12,017
Speaker 1: do I know these are the two women in the

740
00:38:12,057 --> 00:38:15,177
Speaker 1: court case? Because for me, I feel like I have

741
00:38:15,257 --> 00:38:18,897
Speaker 1: a duty to present if the Tates are being railroaded,

742
00:38:18,937 --> 00:38:20,737
Speaker 1: I have a duty to say something. Right. So I

743
00:38:20,777 --> 00:38:22,897
Speaker 1: saw that video and I even tweeted, how could I

744
00:38:22,937 --> 00:38:26,657
Speaker 1: know these women are really his girlfriends? Right? How do

745
00:38:26,697 --> 00:38:28,697
Speaker 1: you know? And then you read the court Oh yeah,

746
00:38:28,697 --> 00:38:31,137
Speaker 1: as it turns out they are. They told the judge

747
00:38:31,177 --> 00:38:32,457
Speaker 1: we don't want anything to do with this, and the

748
00:38:32,537 --> 00:38:35,017
Speaker 1: judge said, too bad. I didn't realize, by the way,

749
00:38:35,017 --> 00:38:37,817
Speaker 1: you were so up on this story. Do you believe

750
00:38:37,817 --> 00:38:42,657
Speaker 1: the Tates are being railroaded. Well, I certainly believe based

751
00:38:42,697 --> 00:38:46,097
Speaker 1: on what I've seen that the evidence is not matching

752
00:38:46,497 --> 00:38:49,537
Speaker 1: the allegations and the media. Because if you're telling me

753
00:38:49,617 --> 00:38:52,737
Speaker 1: there are six victims and two of them have said

754
00:38:52,777 --> 00:38:56,177
Speaker 1: we're not, and you're saying we don't care. If they

755
00:38:56,217 --> 00:38:59,937
Speaker 1: say they're not, they still are, then that means that

756
00:38:59,977 --> 00:39:03,137
Speaker 1: a lot of pressure has been applied, probably to the

757
00:39:03,137 --> 00:39:05,217
Speaker 1: other four. I did see this, by the way, and

758
00:39:05,257 --> 00:39:08,497
Speaker 1: one of the reports there were women who have come

759
00:39:08,577 --> 00:39:13,457
Speaker 1: forward who are considered to be some of the human

760
00:39:13,537 --> 00:39:17,017
Speaker 1: trafficking victims, who have told the court and this is

761
00:39:17,017 --> 00:39:19,537
Speaker 1: on record or told the authorities. I should say, police,

762
00:39:20,017 --> 00:39:23,137
Speaker 1: that's laughable. We meaning these two women, I think there

763
00:39:23,137 --> 00:39:26,097
Speaker 1: are six that we were absolutely not human traffic human

764
00:39:26,097 --> 00:39:30,217
Speaker 1: trafficking victims. That is reported right now, right, So we

765
00:39:30,297 --> 00:39:32,057
Speaker 1: know for a fact two of six say we're not,

766
00:39:32,377 --> 00:39:34,777
Speaker 1: and we know the judge said we don't care you are.

767
00:39:35,257 --> 00:39:37,537
Speaker 1: So what's they say about the other four? Were they

768
00:39:37,617 --> 00:39:41,777
Speaker 1: leaned on, were they pressured? Were they real last why?

769
00:39:41,777 --> 00:39:44,377
Speaker 1: I would like to see evidence? So then the BBC goes, oh,

770
00:39:44,417 --> 00:39:47,097
Speaker 1: we met one of the Tate's old girlfriends, and he's

771
00:39:47,137 --> 00:39:49,457
Speaker 1: a terrible, terrible guy. And then I go, okay, well

772
00:39:49,537 --> 00:39:51,737
Speaker 1: let's read the article. And that's the article I just mentioned.

773
00:39:52,057 --> 00:39:54,457
Speaker 1: Do you think the Biden administration is putting pressure on

774
00:39:54,817 --> 00:39:57,697
Speaker 1: Romania in this regard? Is that just too far fetched?

775
00:39:57,737 --> 00:40:01,377
Speaker 1: People have reached out to me to say they think

776
00:40:01,697 --> 00:40:04,297
Speaker 1: that that is an element here. If you believe the

777
00:40:04,337 --> 00:40:06,697
Speaker 1: Tates are being railroaded, and we need to say that's

778
00:40:06,697 --> 00:40:10,337
Speaker 1: an if do would you believe that the Bidenministra Asian

779
00:40:10,377 --> 00:40:13,737
Speaker 1: may have a hand in that. I think that it's

780
00:40:13,777 --> 00:40:17,417
Speaker 1: more subtle than that. I think that, just like the

781
00:40:17,497 --> 00:40:20,497
Speaker 1: DNC doesn't have to tell Twitter to take take things down,

782
00:40:20,537 --> 00:40:24,017
Speaker 1: the FBI does. I think with the Tates, you had

783
00:40:24,137 --> 00:40:28,217
Speaker 1: guys who were trying to be basically tweet out rap

784
00:40:28,297 --> 00:40:30,617
Speaker 1: lyrics right whenever people go, oh, here's this horrible video

785
00:40:30,617 --> 00:40:32,937
Speaker 1: way Andrew take I say, you know what, if you're

786
00:40:32,977 --> 00:40:35,937
Speaker 1: like me and you want to ban pornography and you

787
00:40:36,017 --> 00:40:38,257
Speaker 1: don't believe rap music should be listened to because you

788
00:40:38,297 --> 00:40:41,377
Speaker 1: think you're hypnotizing yourself to negive lyrics. If you want

789
00:40:41,377 --> 00:40:43,857
Speaker 1: to ban I don't know what you heard about me,

790
00:40:44,017 --> 00:40:48,017
Speaker 1: but I'm a pimp from the radio, then I'm really

791
00:40:48,097 --> 00:40:50,737
Speaker 1: interested in what you have to say about offensive videos.

792
00:40:50,977 --> 00:40:53,977
Speaker 1: So we're gonna ban Snoop Dogg the pimp. We're gonna

793
00:40:53,977 --> 00:40:56,977
Speaker 1: be in all that rap music that talks about pimping. Right,

794
00:40:57,017 --> 00:40:58,457
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, you don't want to do that. Oh

795
00:40:58,497 --> 00:41:01,057
Speaker 1: you don't want to be in pornography or less interesting.

796
00:41:01,617 --> 00:41:06,417
Speaker 1: So you participate in pornography, your watch it. But then

797
00:41:06,417 --> 00:41:09,817
Speaker 1: if a man is involved in the production, now he's

798
00:41:09,857 --> 00:41:12,577
Speaker 1: a rumor trafficker. Even if the woman said you willingly

799
00:41:12,657 --> 00:41:17,057
Speaker 1: did it, and if you talk like a rapper, then

800
00:41:17,417 --> 00:41:20,217
Speaker 1: that has to be taken is true? But rap music, right,

801
00:41:20,257 --> 00:41:22,577
Speaker 1: you see, there's no coherence to it. So what I

802
00:41:22,617 --> 00:41:25,977
Speaker 1: think happened is pretty simple. You're the Tates. You want

803
00:41:25,977 --> 00:41:30,497
Speaker 1: to get known, You make exaggerated claims, and then you

804
00:41:30,537 --> 00:41:33,377
Speaker 1: start saying that you're bribing government officials that you're not

805
00:41:33,417 --> 00:41:36,617
Speaker 1: really bribing. What do you think is going to happen? Right?

806
00:41:36,777 --> 00:41:41,177
Speaker 1: That falls into the category of what do you think

807
00:41:41,297 --> 00:41:45,657
Speaker 1: is going to happen? You're embarrassing people, You're embarrassing powerful people.

808
00:41:45,937 --> 00:41:47,777
Speaker 1: I'll tell you that there are people on the right

809
00:41:47,817 --> 00:41:50,337
Speaker 1: who when Tate was talking about how the corruption works

810
00:41:50,337 --> 00:41:53,057
Speaker 1: in his favor and this just I draw in my

811
00:41:53,297 --> 00:41:56,217
Speaker 1: background in the CIA and learning a lot about other governments,

812
00:41:56,217 --> 00:41:58,257
Speaker 1: which is the most fascinating part of being in the CIA,

813
00:41:58,297 --> 00:42:00,777
Speaker 1: because obviously we got a lot of info, you know,

814
00:42:00,777 --> 00:42:03,537
Speaker 1: other government, We do have more sophisticated technology, We do

815
00:42:04,057 --> 00:42:06,777
Speaker 1: get a view that they don't want us to have obviously.

816
00:42:08,057 --> 00:42:11,257
Speaker 1: And the one thing that will get you in trouble

817
00:42:11,257 --> 00:42:14,697
Speaker 1: in a corrupt country is bragging about the corruption in

818
00:42:14,697 --> 00:42:16,697
Speaker 1: that country that you say is in your favor. That

819
00:42:16,697 --> 00:42:18,537
Speaker 1: that's like, it's like the first rule of fight club

820
00:42:18,617 --> 00:42:21,337
Speaker 1: is never talking about fight club. You're in a corrupt country,

821
00:42:21,377 --> 00:42:23,737
Speaker 1: Eastern Europe, anywhere else in the world, and it's working

822
00:42:23,737 --> 00:42:25,777
Speaker 1: out for you, It's going to stop working out for

823
00:42:25,817 --> 00:42:27,977
Speaker 1: you the moment that you say, oh, yeah, the corruption

824
00:42:27,977 --> 00:42:30,577
Speaker 1: here benefits me. I think. I think the tates that's

825
00:42:30,617 --> 00:42:33,617
Speaker 1: a that's a lesson from this process, irrespective of everything else,

826
00:42:33,657 --> 00:42:36,257
Speaker 1: you know, the whether they're pressure being brought to bear

827
00:42:36,737 --> 00:42:39,737
Speaker 1: to bring these charges, etc. Whether they're guilty or not,

828
00:42:39,777 --> 00:42:42,537
Speaker 1: which I don't know and I don't profess to know, um,

829
00:42:42,857 --> 00:42:44,937
Speaker 1: but I do think that you don't want to talk

830
00:42:44,937 --> 00:42:47,177
Speaker 1: about corruption in a corrupt country if you're if you're

831
00:42:47,177 --> 00:42:51,137
Speaker 1: planning on staying there, right, if you're really doing it too,

832
00:42:51,257 --> 00:42:54,537
Speaker 1: which makes me believe that they it was just I

833
00:42:54,537 --> 00:42:56,697
Speaker 1: think it was just all an act. I thought there.

834
00:42:56,737 --> 00:42:59,257
Speaker 1: I think they're trying to be real life rappers. They were,

835
00:42:59,417 --> 00:43:03,177
Speaker 1: they were mimicking what rappers say and that because if

836
00:43:03,217 --> 00:43:06,457
Speaker 1: you're really bribing people and bragging about it, then I

837
00:43:06,577 --> 00:43:08,537
Speaker 1: have to reconsider my view of you, right, And there's

838
00:43:08,577 --> 00:43:11,817
Speaker 1: nothing about the Tates that indicates that they're not that

839
00:43:11,897 --> 00:43:14,817
Speaker 1: they're low IQ. Right. You can say they're evil, you

840
00:43:14,817 --> 00:43:17,257
Speaker 1: can say you can say whatever, that's a moral judgment.

841
00:43:17,697 --> 00:43:20,817
Speaker 1: You can say they're evil, but nobody has ever said

842
00:43:20,817 --> 00:43:23,457
Speaker 1: they're not that. I don't know Tristan really, but I

843
00:43:23,457 --> 00:43:25,777
Speaker 1: mean i've just from what I've seen in interviews with Andrew,

844
00:43:25,857 --> 00:43:28,897
Speaker 1: he's a he's clearly a high IQ individual like that.

845
00:43:28,897 --> 00:43:33,217
Speaker 1: That is obvious. Right, So if you're high IQ, you're

846
00:43:33,257 --> 00:43:39,337
Speaker 1: bribing government officials, would brag about bribing government officials, right,

847
00:43:39,537 --> 00:43:40,937
Speaker 1: That's kind of how I see it. And then, of

848
00:43:40,977 --> 00:43:43,137
Speaker 1: course people who don't like the Tastes have to wrestle

849
00:43:43,137 --> 00:43:45,937
Speaker 1: with the corruption issue, namely that the Tastes were arrested

850
00:43:45,937 --> 00:43:48,857
Speaker 1: in March twenty twenty they were released the next day

851
00:43:49,257 --> 00:43:52,497
Speaker 1: because apparently video evidence cleared them. Then they get re

852
00:43:52,617 --> 00:43:56,337
Speaker 1: arrested in December. Okay, so was Ukraine corrupt in March

853
00:43:56,537 --> 00:44:00,257
Speaker 1: when they let them go? Are they corrupt? Now? Why

854
00:44:00,297 --> 00:44:03,177
Speaker 1: aren't they being tried? Why are they being held? You know,

855
00:44:03,177 --> 00:44:06,217
Speaker 1: because Ukraine has this weird system where you can be

856
00:44:06,737 --> 00:44:10,457
Speaker 1: charged but not really tried. Is this limit? Yeah, remain there,

857
00:44:10,497 --> 00:44:13,097
Speaker 1: They're in remaining and they can be held. I think

858
00:44:13,097 --> 00:44:15,097
Speaker 1: you can be held. I read that you can be

859
00:44:15,097 --> 00:44:18,337
Speaker 1: held for up to a year without actually having a trial.

860
00:44:18,537 --> 00:44:22,257
Speaker 1: A year I mean now J six J six defendants

861
00:44:22,257 --> 00:44:26,097
Speaker 1: can apparently in DC be held for about eighteen months

862
00:44:26,137 --> 00:44:29,217
Speaker 1: in solitary for in some cases non violent crimes. So

863
00:44:29,577 --> 00:44:31,497
Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna poke it romaaning on this one

864
00:44:31,537 --> 00:44:33,457
Speaker 1: and say, oh my god, oh my god. But as

865
00:44:33,497 --> 00:44:35,697
Speaker 1: we know, if you get on the wrong side of

866
00:44:35,737 --> 00:44:38,177
Speaker 1: the deep state in this country, that can happen to you.

867
00:44:38,217 --> 00:44:41,497
Speaker 1: But I wanted to ask you though, on a more

868
00:44:41,537 --> 00:44:45,337
Speaker 1: on a more positive and constructive note, four young men,

869
00:44:45,377 --> 00:44:47,577
Speaker 1: because one thing, one thing that I can tell does

870
00:44:47,617 --> 00:44:52,417
Speaker 1: really rattle the left is when young men have this

871
00:44:52,457 --> 00:44:58,697
Speaker 1: moment of recognition that the left wants them to be miserable, unhappy,

872
00:44:58,857 --> 00:45:04,857
Speaker 1: week controlled and uh, you know effectively, you know, low T,

873
00:45:05,337 --> 00:45:08,417
Speaker 1: low IQ, do what you're told, triple mass, get your

874
00:45:08,417 --> 00:45:11,417
Speaker 1: seventh booster shot, and you know, sit there, call yourself

875
00:45:11,457 --> 00:45:15,537
Speaker 1: a male feminist. Don't excel, don't exceed, don't you know,

876
00:45:15,777 --> 00:45:20,137
Speaker 1: suppress all your masculine urges. And the right actually has people,

877
00:45:20,257 --> 00:45:22,777
Speaker 1: by the way, like you and others who are saying, no,

878
00:45:22,937 --> 00:45:25,057
Speaker 1: actually being a man is what you are meant to do,

879
00:45:25,497 --> 00:45:28,017
Speaker 1: and that that inspires I think young men. I think

880
00:45:28,017 --> 00:45:32,177
Speaker 1: there's something important there. Well, that's where I had to

881
00:45:32,217 --> 00:45:34,777
Speaker 1: thread the needle that I find interesting too about the

882
00:45:34,777 --> 00:45:40,137
Speaker 1: Tate thing, because the Tates were giving a message of

883
00:45:40,337 --> 00:45:42,057
Speaker 1: that I don't even agree with, which is, oh, you

884
00:45:42,097 --> 00:45:45,577
Speaker 1: need a car, need the watches, you need the swag.

885
00:45:45,617 --> 00:45:47,577
Speaker 1: And I realized they were just doing that for marketing.

886
00:45:47,617 --> 00:45:49,297
Speaker 1: So that's why I think the Tate thing is such

887
00:45:49,337 --> 00:45:53,537
Speaker 1: an interesting phenomena, because a right wing critique of the

888
00:45:53,577 --> 00:45:57,057
Speaker 1: Tates would be, well, if you're chasing watches and cars,

889
00:45:57,217 --> 00:46:01,377
Speaker 1: you're actually chasing left wing secular hedonism, right, You're not.

890
00:46:01,697 --> 00:46:04,217
Speaker 1: You're not teaching. And I realized it takes it more

891
00:46:04,217 --> 00:46:06,097
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna have the tape people, Matt, I love

892
00:46:06,137 --> 00:46:08,377
Speaker 1: this because I'm gonna have the Tate haters man, because

893
00:46:08,377 --> 00:46:10,297
Speaker 1: they're gonna say I defended him, and I'm going to

894
00:46:10,337 --> 00:46:12,457
Speaker 1: have to take super fans mad because they're saying that

895
00:46:12,457 --> 00:46:15,777
Speaker 1: I'm like somehow attacking them. Right. But the way I

896
00:46:15,817 --> 00:46:18,897
Speaker 1: look at it is that we I You know, you

897
00:46:18,897 --> 00:46:20,577
Speaker 1: don't ever see me front and you don't ever see

898
00:46:20,617 --> 00:46:23,697
Speaker 1: me flexing. You don't want to do that. Which you

899
00:46:23,737 --> 00:46:26,177
Speaker 1: want to teach young men is find your purpose, find

900
00:46:26,177 --> 00:46:28,977
Speaker 1: your mission. You're allowed to have one. You don't have

901
00:46:29,017 --> 00:46:32,417
Speaker 1: to live for women, because too much of a conservative

902
00:46:32,497 --> 00:46:35,697
Speaker 1: Christian movement, unfortunately, is oh, you're a man, you know

903
00:46:35,817 --> 00:46:38,097
Speaker 1: your job is to be like a pack mule, loads

904
00:46:38,137 --> 00:46:42,417
Speaker 1: yourself up and well where it's not even necessarily biblical, right,

905
00:46:42,457 --> 00:46:44,657
Speaker 1: So where are you even getting at the Bible. So

906
00:46:44,777 --> 00:46:48,617
Speaker 1: there's a there's a third way, which is masculinity is

907
00:46:48,617 --> 00:46:52,297
Speaker 1: about finding your mission and finding your purpose, waking up

908
00:46:52,297 --> 00:46:56,297
Speaker 1: and trying to accomplish something right, trying to fight with

909
00:46:56,337 --> 00:46:59,897
Speaker 1: the dragons, trying to wrestle with the oppression, trying to

910
00:46:59,937 --> 00:47:02,737
Speaker 1: have some vibe right, some aura. So much of that,

911
00:47:02,817 --> 00:47:05,377
Speaker 1: so much of it is a feeling and that's what

912
00:47:05,857 --> 00:47:07,417
Speaker 1: men not only need to be told, but that's what

913
00:47:07,537 --> 00:47:10,417
Speaker 1: people like us have to try to model in our

914
00:47:10,457 --> 00:47:12,817
Speaker 1: own way, which is, hey, look, man, you're gonna get

915
00:47:12,857 --> 00:47:15,337
Speaker 1: beat up. People are gonna say stuff about you. This nasty.

916
00:47:15,497 --> 00:47:18,817
Speaker 1: I've been attacked over lines of blue and tape. Imagine

917
00:47:18,857 --> 00:47:24,017
Speaker 1: the same three weeks you're attacked for allegedly the human

918
00:47:24,017 --> 00:47:26,817
Speaker 1: trafficking thing, and then allegedly for knowing somebody who is

919
00:47:26,857 --> 00:47:31,457
Speaker 1: allegedly maybe has an alternative narrative on her own traffing story, right,

920
00:47:32,017 --> 00:47:33,897
Speaker 1: and but you just but that's where you just as

921
00:47:33,897 --> 00:47:36,577
Speaker 1: a man, you just say, man, this is part of life. Right.

922
00:47:36,617 --> 00:47:38,137
Speaker 1: How lucky it is that we get to do this

923
00:47:38,257 --> 00:47:40,897
Speaker 1: all day and we get to take these attacks. Imagine

924
00:47:40,937 --> 00:47:43,337
Speaker 1: how our lives could have ended up so differently or

925
00:47:43,457 --> 00:47:46,737
Speaker 1: so much less interesting than I do think that's important.

926
00:47:46,977 --> 00:47:48,497
Speaker 1: I do think that the same way that if you

927
00:47:48,537 --> 00:47:52,777
Speaker 1: believe in you know the duality that is that essential

928
00:47:52,817 --> 00:47:55,577
Speaker 1: to our existence. Right, If you believe in heaven, you

929
00:47:55,617 --> 00:47:57,537
Speaker 1: believe in hell. If you believe in good, you believe

930
00:47:57,537 --> 00:48:02,657
Speaker 1: in evil. With those with the basic framework for understanding

931
00:48:02,697 --> 00:48:04,737
Speaker 1: or day to day lives in place or our existence,

932
00:48:04,737 --> 00:48:08,017
Speaker 1: I should say you're going to piss some people off,

933
00:48:08,457 --> 00:48:10,257
Speaker 1: because if there are if there's evil in the world,

934
00:48:10,257 --> 00:48:12,017
Speaker 1: there are people doing evil, and if you're going to

935
00:48:12,057 --> 00:48:16,657
Speaker 1: do something about it, you're going to upset those who

936
00:48:16,937 --> 00:48:19,697
Speaker 1: are wrong. You're going to upset those who are making

937
00:48:19,697 --> 00:48:22,537
Speaker 1: the world a worst place. So, while you know, I

938
00:48:22,577 --> 00:48:24,537
Speaker 1: don't go out there looking to stick my thumb in

939
00:48:24,537 --> 00:48:27,697
Speaker 1: the eye of people, there are people whose hatred or

940
00:48:27,817 --> 00:48:32,217
Speaker 1: disdain or whatever is a badge of honor. And I

941
00:48:32,257 --> 00:48:36,137
Speaker 1: do feel that way, right And you know you're smiling.

942
00:48:36,137 --> 00:48:39,257
Speaker 1: You do enjoy poking your finger. It's okay to admit that, Okay, Okay,

943
00:48:39,337 --> 00:48:43,217
Speaker 1: that's true, Okay to tell It's okay to tell men

944
00:48:43,297 --> 00:48:44,817
Speaker 1: you know what, conflict is good, but it needs to

945
00:48:44,817 --> 00:48:48,417
Speaker 1: be conflict for the right cause rights. It's okay to

946
00:48:48,497 --> 00:48:50,897
Speaker 1: have a little bit of indignation if it's righteous Indi Nation.

947
00:48:50,977 --> 00:48:53,857
Speaker 1: It's not okay to be a Karen. It's not okay

948
00:48:53,857 --> 00:48:56,657
Speaker 1: to be crying over nonsense. It's not okay to hate

949
00:48:56,657 --> 00:48:59,777
Speaker 1: women or to say because you have some bad dating

950
00:48:59,817 --> 00:49:02,137
Speaker 1: experiences at all, women are like that or is. And

951
00:49:02,177 --> 00:49:04,577
Speaker 1: it's not okay to just be a pack mule, to

952
00:49:04,657 --> 00:49:07,217
Speaker 1: let get walked on either conflict is okay, but you

953
00:49:07,257 --> 00:49:10,457
Speaker 1: need to again find that purpose within yourself elf and

954
00:49:10,497 --> 00:49:13,017
Speaker 1: then find out that this is a righteous cause, and

955
00:49:13,017 --> 00:49:15,257
Speaker 1: then conflict is good and it's necessary, and I think

956
00:49:15,297 --> 00:49:18,577
Speaker 1: it's very healthy and it's very masculine. One thing I

957
00:49:18,617 --> 00:49:20,137
Speaker 1: want to ask you about. You know, there's this trend

958
00:49:20,137 --> 00:49:26,817
Speaker 1: I'm sure you've seen of women shaming men for allegedly

959
00:49:26,937 --> 00:49:29,417
Speaker 1: looking at them in the gym, right if you've seen this,

960
00:49:29,457 --> 00:49:32,177
Speaker 1: and this has got a lot of attention recently. There's

961
00:49:32,177 --> 00:49:33,417
Speaker 1: a lot of things I would say by this. I

962
00:49:33,417 --> 00:49:35,777
Speaker 1: mean I go to a gym down here in Florida

963
00:49:35,897 --> 00:49:38,337
Speaker 1: where I've never experienced this before in New York City,

964
00:49:38,377 --> 00:49:40,617
Speaker 1: but there are a lot of women in the gym

965
00:49:41,137 --> 00:49:43,737
Speaker 1: who are you know. I just got married recently too,

966
00:49:43,737 --> 00:49:47,377
Speaker 1: so I've got the blinder song. But there are a

967
00:49:47,377 --> 00:49:51,737
Speaker 1: lot of women in the gym who are influencers. Some

968
00:49:51,817 --> 00:49:55,217
Speaker 1: of them are known to other Jim staffers, for example,

969
00:49:55,257 --> 00:50:01,857
Speaker 1: as having very lucrative only fans careers, things like that,

970
00:50:02,377 --> 00:50:04,617
Speaker 1: and so that's very common here in South Florida at

971
00:50:04,617 --> 00:50:06,777
Speaker 1: certain gyms. You're just gonna look at this where for

972
00:50:06,817 --> 00:50:08,217
Speaker 1: people look a certain way, they have to spend a

973
00:50:08,217 --> 00:50:09,697
Speaker 1: certain amount of time in the gym, and I get

974
00:50:09,737 --> 00:50:15,577
Speaker 1: all that, but I worry that women are are not

975
00:50:15,657 --> 00:50:19,777
Speaker 1: being given good messages and a variety of ways about

976
00:50:19,897 --> 00:50:23,937
Speaker 1: their beauty, and that it is now being it is

977
00:50:23,937 --> 00:50:26,497
Speaker 1: now thought of more than ever as a commodity, meaning

978
00:50:26,497 --> 00:50:30,217
Speaker 1: the monetizeable, that your sexuality and your beauty as a

979
00:50:30,257 --> 00:50:33,657
Speaker 1: woman is a monetizeable asset first and foremost beyond anything

980
00:50:33,657 --> 00:50:36,217
Speaker 1: else instead of something. So yes, of course, be charity.

981
00:50:36,217 --> 00:50:38,177
Speaker 1: You know you have a lovely wife. I have a

982
00:50:38,177 --> 00:50:40,097
Speaker 1: lovely wife. I would say, you know, you can trust

983
00:50:40,097 --> 00:50:44,137
Speaker 1: a guy with a lovely wife. But that's the point

984
00:50:44,257 --> 00:50:47,257
Speaker 1: is actually to to appreciate beauty and too also to

985
00:50:47,697 --> 00:50:49,017
Speaker 1: see it for what it is. And for a lot

986
00:50:49,057 --> 00:50:52,777
Speaker 1: of these women, I think to find a great I mean,

987
00:50:52,937 --> 00:50:54,737
Speaker 1: you know, we're supposed to say life partner, but husband,

988
00:50:54,737 --> 00:50:57,337
Speaker 1: I mean to find somebody to build a life with.

989
00:50:57,457 --> 00:50:59,697
Speaker 1: And attraction is important in all of this. And I

990
00:50:59,737 --> 00:51:01,817
Speaker 1: just think that now you have a lot of these

991
00:51:01,857 --> 00:51:05,617
Speaker 1: women who one are very insecure even though they're very

992
00:51:05,617 --> 00:51:08,217
Speaker 1: good looking, because there there's a hyper focus on it

993
00:51:08,257 --> 00:51:10,977
Speaker 1: because of social media. And two it's just like an

994
00:51:10,977 --> 00:51:14,297
Speaker 1: ATM machine now and they wait until they're forty and

995
00:51:14,337 --> 00:51:16,497
Speaker 1: then they turn around they're like, well, I'm so beautiful

996
00:51:16,777 --> 00:51:22,377
Speaker 1: now I want my husband gets a lot harder. Well,

997
00:51:22,377 --> 00:51:24,457
Speaker 1: it gets yeah, it gets a lot harder for a man. Two.

998
00:51:24,497 --> 00:51:28,337
Speaker 1: And that's something that I've noticed that when you watch videos.

999
00:51:29,177 --> 00:51:31,377
Speaker 1: One actually good TikTok trend is they go and ask

1000
00:51:31,417 --> 00:51:33,097
Speaker 1: older people, oh, how old are you, and they'll say,

1001
00:51:33,137 --> 00:51:36,937
Speaker 1: I'm sixty five. What's sixty five feel like? And one

1002
00:51:36,977 --> 00:51:39,417
Speaker 1: of the themes is that you see the world the

1003
00:51:39,457 --> 00:51:41,857
Speaker 1: same way, but you're old now, right, And if you're

1004
00:51:41,857 --> 00:51:44,457
Speaker 1: a man, you usually have more self awareness and realize, Okay,

1005
00:51:44,457 --> 00:51:46,617
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm an old, old guy now. And for

1006
00:51:46,857 --> 00:51:50,377
Speaker 1: oftentimes the women, it's harder to make that transition, which

1007
00:51:50,417 --> 00:51:52,617
Speaker 1: is in your mind, like you know, you're forty one

1008
00:51:52,617 --> 00:51:56,217
Speaker 1: on forty five, and our minds were still like twenty five, right,

1009
00:51:56,257 --> 00:51:58,417
Speaker 1: And that's actually how men get injured doing things because

1010
00:51:58,417 --> 00:52:00,537
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, I no, no. My wife asked me

1011
00:52:00,577 --> 00:52:02,177
Speaker 1: earlier to climb a tree and I was like, I'm

1012
00:52:02,177 --> 00:52:04,377
Speaker 1: not going to climb that tree. She goes, well, I

1013
00:52:04,497 --> 00:52:06,377
Speaker 1: go because if I fall down, I'm gonna hurt. Man.

1014
00:52:06,577 --> 00:52:13,577
Speaker 1: You know, if I were we're still there. Yeah, yeah,

1015
00:52:13,697 --> 00:52:17,577
Speaker 1: keep going. Yeah, And so the world looks at you differently,

1016
00:52:17,977 --> 00:52:19,617
Speaker 1: and a lot of people have to accept that. But

1017
00:52:19,657 --> 00:52:24,737
Speaker 1: as to the gym thing, it's like a lingerat show Man.

1018
00:52:24,857 --> 00:52:28,297
Speaker 1: Sometimes it really is ridiculous. One gem I going. I

1019
00:52:28,377 --> 00:52:32,617
Speaker 1: started going on a different hour because I don't I

1020
00:52:32,617 --> 00:52:35,857
Speaker 1: don't want to just have those curient thoughts like I

1021
00:52:36,377 --> 00:52:40,057
Speaker 1: don't watch pornography. I try to avoid the ig. I

1022
00:52:40,177 --> 00:52:42,457
Speaker 1: changed my algorithm so I don't see you know, all

1023
00:52:42,457 --> 00:52:45,777
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. Go ahead, No, no, no no, I

1024
00:52:45,777 --> 00:52:47,337
Speaker 1: don't want to interrupt you. I just I think this

1025
00:52:47,377 --> 00:52:51,257
Speaker 1: is so important for men while while while promoting masculinity.

1026
00:52:51,297 --> 00:52:53,457
Speaker 1: And look, I'm the first to admit I drank too

1027
00:52:53,537 --> 00:52:55,697
Speaker 1: much in my twenties. I should have worked out more,

1028
00:52:55,817 --> 00:52:58,297
Speaker 1: I should have gotten more sleep, you know, twenties in

1029
00:52:58,297 --> 00:53:02,537
Speaker 1: into my thirties, I you know that there were some

1030
00:53:02,577 --> 00:53:04,337
Speaker 1: things that I would change definitely about my behavior. I

1031
00:53:04,337 --> 00:53:06,817
Speaker 1: will say I've actually never said this before on radio

1032
00:53:06,897 --> 00:53:10,657
Speaker 1: or on podcasts, but I made the decision, maybe it

1033
00:53:10,697 --> 00:53:15,097
Speaker 1: was about fifteen years ago, to just just no pornography,

1034
00:53:15,257 --> 00:53:19,057
Speaker 1: just like not you know, just no pornography, because I

1035
00:53:19,537 --> 00:53:23,257
Speaker 1: really started to feel like there was a desensitization that

1036
00:53:23,297 --> 00:53:26,897
Speaker 1: occurs from it where you can appreciate, you know, just

1037
00:53:26,977 --> 00:53:30,377
Speaker 1: everyday female beauty. And I think that it really does

1038
00:53:30,497 --> 00:53:34,177
Speaker 1: damaging things to the male mind. Um if especially if

1039
00:53:34,177 --> 00:53:36,537
Speaker 1: you make it a habit of looking at at pornography.

1040
00:53:36,857 --> 00:53:38,377
Speaker 1: And I still feel like to this day when you

1041
00:53:38,417 --> 00:53:40,697
Speaker 1: say that, people think, oh, are you like, are you

1042
00:53:40,737 --> 00:53:42,537
Speaker 1: a puritan? Do you wear like the shoes with the

1043
00:53:42,577 --> 00:53:44,897
Speaker 1: little buckles on them? Whatever? It's like but appured in

1044
00:53:44,897 --> 00:53:46,897
Speaker 1: at all. I'man sitting here talking about like hot chicks

1045
00:53:46,897 --> 00:53:51,457
Speaker 1: in the gym. But but I do think that every

1046
00:53:51,537 --> 00:53:55,137
Speaker 1: you know, that that balance and context and and understanding

1047
00:53:55,217 --> 00:53:58,137
Speaker 1: habits in which are habituated to as a man is

1048
00:53:58,217 --> 00:54:03,137
Speaker 1: really important and it's and it's the grating too, I think.

1049
00:54:03,217 --> 00:54:06,337
Speaker 1: So for me, I went through large phases where I

1050
00:54:06,417 --> 00:54:08,897
Speaker 1: didn't I didn't watch yet, and then I would get

1051
00:54:08,897 --> 00:54:11,297
Speaker 1: in a bad phase and then I wouldn't watch it,

1052
00:54:11,337 --> 00:54:12,697
Speaker 1: and then I just gave it up once and for

1053
00:54:12,737 --> 00:54:15,737
Speaker 1: all because it just not to be too crude. But

1054
00:54:15,777 --> 00:54:18,057
Speaker 1: I just I think it's undignified to turn on a

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00:54:18,137 --> 00:54:22,257
Speaker 1: laptop and get moisturized. It's just disgusting. You're like, this

1056
00:54:22,337 --> 00:54:25,137
Speaker 1: is just like there there's if there's a night and

1057
00:54:25,177 --> 00:54:27,817
Speaker 1: I'm eating a bag of chips on the couch, I'm

1058
00:54:27,897 --> 00:54:30,777
Speaker 1: just like, you're a disgusting person, you know, like, who

1059
00:54:30,817 --> 00:54:32,777
Speaker 1: are you like? And I get up and you know,

1060
00:54:33,377 --> 00:54:34,897
Speaker 1: there's just an idea that if you're a man, you

1061
00:54:34,897 --> 00:54:37,857
Speaker 1: should have some kind of basic level of dignity. And

1062
00:54:38,057 --> 00:54:40,257
Speaker 1: you know, laying around with pringles in your face, it's

1063
00:54:40,257 --> 00:54:43,217
Speaker 1: just a gross way to live. And the same thing too,

1064
00:54:43,297 --> 00:54:46,297
Speaker 1: is up gonna fire up the old laptop. That's gross. Man,

1065
00:54:46,537 --> 00:54:48,337
Speaker 1: you don't want to live like that, right, You are

1066
00:54:48,377 --> 00:54:50,577
Speaker 1: capable of so much more as a man. How do you?

1067
00:54:50,897 --> 00:54:52,537
Speaker 1: Totally I totally agree with you. And I think that

1068
00:54:52,577 --> 00:54:56,297
Speaker 1: people on the right should feel more just, people in

1069
00:54:56,297 --> 00:54:58,777
Speaker 1: general should feel guys in general should feel more comfortable

1070
00:54:58,817 --> 00:55:01,937
Speaker 1: talking about how the I think one of the ways

1071
00:55:01,937 --> 00:55:04,257
Speaker 1: that the apparatus tries to control you is actually is

1072
00:55:04,257 --> 00:55:08,177
Speaker 1: actually through the desensitization of the twenty four seven access

1073
00:55:08,217 --> 00:55:10,617
Speaker 1: to pornography, and the normal is a of that. Like

1074
00:55:10,697 --> 00:55:12,577
Speaker 1: there's just you know, for a long time, people forget

1075
00:55:12,617 --> 00:55:14,817
Speaker 1: there was more porn being watched on the Internet than

1076
00:55:14,937 --> 00:55:17,777
Speaker 1: literally anything else I mean, right, and again, I know

1077
00:55:17,817 --> 00:55:20,217
Speaker 1: it sounds like I'm like, you know, like church lady, like,

1078
00:55:20,217 --> 00:55:22,097
Speaker 1: why are all the people watching the porn? It's like, no,

1079
00:55:22,217 --> 00:55:24,977
Speaker 1: that's not That's not what I'm trying to say. I'm

1080
00:55:24,977 --> 00:55:26,337
Speaker 1: trying to say it's not good for the guys who

1081
00:55:26,337 --> 00:55:29,737
Speaker 1: are doing it. As somebody who appreciates female beauty and

1082
00:55:30,057 --> 00:55:32,257
Speaker 1: thinks that you know, having a you know, having an

1083
00:55:32,297 --> 00:55:35,617
Speaker 1: attractive girlfriend or a wife or whatever something that should

1084
00:55:35,657 --> 00:55:38,297
Speaker 1: be aspirational for men. And you know, attractiveness is in

1085
00:55:38,337 --> 00:55:39,657
Speaker 1: the eye of the beholder and all that, and I

1086
00:55:39,697 --> 00:55:42,777
Speaker 1: get that too, but um, I think that this is

1087
00:55:42,777 --> 00:55:44,097
Speaker 1: an area where there could be a lot, a lot

1088
00:55:44,137 --> 00:55:46,457
Speaker 1: more done. Mike. I could talk to you for like

1089
00:55:46,497 --> 00:55:48,777
Speaker 1: three hours, but I'm not quite at the level yet,

1090
00:55:48,857 --> 00:55:52,017
Speaker 1: like like the Rogan three hour long podcast, So we're

1091
00:55:52,017 --> 00:55:54,977
Speaker 1: gonna have to have you back further time. I just

1092
00:55:55,057 --> 00:55:59,137
Speaker 1: wanted what what what it makes you feel positive about

1093
00:55:59,177 --> 00:56:01,097
Speaker 1: the future, and that you think people should hear, And

1094
00:56:01,097 --> 00:56:02,617
Speaker 1: then I want you to tell everybody where they should

1095
00:56:02,617 --> 00:56:04,177
Speaker 1: go to follow your work and just sort of see

1096
00:56:04,217 --> 00:56:07,337
Speaker 1: what you're what you're up to these days. Well, what

1097
00:56:07,417 --> 00:56:09,737
Speaker 1: makes me feel positive about the future is always remember

1098
00:56:09,777 --> 00:56:13,537
Speaker 1: what had the one hundredth anniversary. Well recently we had

1099
00:56:13,577 --> 00:56:16,377
Speaker 1: the one hundredth anniversary of the end of World War One,

1100
00:56:16,697 --> 00:56:19,057
Speaker 1: and I always encourage people to go read about that

1101
00:56:19,137 --> 00:56:21,537
Speaker 1: war and what our lives would have been like if

1102
00:56:21,577 --> 00:56:24,417
Speaker 1: we had been a draftable age, and that in the

1103
00:56:24,417 --> 00:56:26,297
Speaker 1: Battle of Psalm, and learn more and more and more

1104
00:56:26,297 --> 00:56:28,337
Speaker 1: about World War One. Do you have a favorite World

1105
00:56:28,377 --> 00:56:32,417
Speaker 1: War One book? Yeah, Paul Fussell wrote a book. He

1106
00:56:32,417 --> 00:56:35,457
Speaker 1: also wrote a book class about it. And I forget

1107
00:56:35,457 --> 00:56:37,937
Speaker 1: the book title, but Paul Fussell's book on World War

1108
00:56:37,977 --> 00:56:40,337
Speaker 1: One is my favorite because I sent a lot of

1109
00:56:40,377 --> 00:56:43,577
Speaker 1: poetry and a lot of the literary devices at the time,

1110
00:56:43,937 --> 00:56:49,297
Speaker 1: and the death tolls are literally incomprehensible. Would be like,

1111
00:56:50,897 --> 00:56:54,017
Speaker 1: right now, well that happened, Okay, it's one hundred thousand

1112
00:56:54,417 --> 00:56:56,977
Speaker 1: men dead. That makes me optimistic. Also why we have

1113
00:56:57,017 --> 00:56:58,657
Speaker 1: to make sure we don't bumble our way into it

1114
00:56:59,537 --> 00:57:03,817
Speaker 1: with Russia and Ukraine, because we bumbled into it. So

1115
00:57:04,017 --> 00:57:06,817
Speaker 1: that is really is still the best time to be alive. Man.

1116
00:57:07,217 --> 00:57:09,497
Speaker 1: All this, oh there's a war on men. This all

1117
00:57:09,537 --> 00:57:13,497
Speaker 1: that true? You would still never ever ever have one

1118
00:57:13,577 --> 00:57:15,857
Speaker 1: have been born in another air because there's a man

1119
00:57:15,937 --> 00:57:18,937
Speaker 1: You can create your own destiny, right, I don't believe

1120
00:57:19,017 --> 00:57:21,617
Speaker 1: in living the life of a Heatonist. But if you

1121
00:57:21,697 --> 00:57:24,337
Speaker 1: wanted to live a life of Roman emperor as a man,

1122
00:57:24,897 --> 00:57:28,337
Speaker 1: you could. You could do that. And don't do that, guys,

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00:57:28,377 --> 00:57:29,737
Speaker 1: I don't think that's a good way to live, but

1124
00:57:29,777 --> 00:57:32,337
Speaker 1: you could. There's no there's never been a time in

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00:57:32,337 --> 00:57:33,617
Speaker 1: the history of the world where you, as a man

1126
00:57:33,697 --> 00:57:35,857
Speaker 1: can really choose your own adventure if you want to

1127
00:57:35,897 --> 00:57:38,657
Speaker 1: work for it. And every day I'm grateful because look

1128
00:57:38,657 --> 00:57:40,257
Speaker 1: at us, we're talking like this. Now, this would have

1129
00:57:40,297 --> 00:57:44,617
Speaker 1: been impossible. We'd have been working the fields as medieval peasants, right. Yeah,

1130
00:57:45,457 --> 00:57:48,017
Speaker 1: we're hanging out talking and hundreds of thousands of people

1131
00:57:48,097 --> 00:57:50,937
Speaker 1: are gonna hear our conversation, maybe benefit from it a

1132
00:57:50,977 --> 00:57:54,257
Speaker 1: little bit and be able to say, you know, I

1133
00:57:54,377 --> 00:57:56,657
Speaker 1: learned something or I have a different perspective on things.

1134
00:57:56,777 --> 00:57:58,297
Speaker 1: And we didn't even have to leave our houses to

1135
00:57:58,337 --> 00:58:01,697
Speaker 1: do it. It's really pretty crazy. And then people are

1136
00:58:01,697 --> 00:58:03,377
Speaker 1: able to listen to so even if they have a

1137
00:58:03,457 --> 00:58:06,057
Speaker 1: job that's maybe a little bit boring, Well, I had

1138
00:58:06,097 --> 00:58:08,097
Speaker 1: boring jobs too, and you didn't have pot. You had

1139
00:58:08,137 --> 00:58:10,817
Speaker 1: a portable CD player if you were lucky, a walkman

1140
00:58:10,937 --> 00:58:13,577
Speaker 1: or something. So there's never been a better time to

1141
00:58:13,577 --> 00:58:16,537
Speaker 1: be alive, and people should recognize that which they follow

1142
00:58:16,577 --> 00:58:19,937
Speaker 1: all things Cernovich. My substack is pretty good Mike Cernovich

1143
00:58:20,017 --> 00:58:23,217
Speaker 1: dot substack dot com and then Twitter at Cernovich. But

1144
00:58:23,297 --> 00:58:27,337
Speaker 1: the substack we're doing things very little politics. They are

1145
00:58:27,497 --> 00:58:30,297
Speaker 1: much more culture, family, trying to scare things in a

1146
00:58:30,337 --> 00:58:34,337
Speaker 1: different direction. Awesome, Mike, great talking to you man. Ever

1147
00:58:34,377 --> 00:58:35,937
Speaker 1: since we hung out that time at the Trump Hotel,

1148
00:58:35,977 --> 00:58:37,217
Speaker 1: I figure we're going to be able to do a

1149
00:58:37,257 --> 00:58:39,377
Speaker 1: long form and we'll have you back because there's a

1150
00:58:39,377 --> 00:58:41,417
Speaker 1: lot more I'm sure people, and I hope people will

1151
00:58:41,417 --> 00:58:42,817
Speaker 1: tell me what else they want you and me to

1152
00:58:42,857 --> 00:58:45,817
Speaker 1: talk about in the future, and as this podcast continues

1153
00:58:45,857 --> 00:58:47,857
Speaker 1: to grow in addition to you know, the radio show

1154
00:58:47,857 --> 00:58:50,897
Speaker 1: I do, which fortunately is rather substantial, So we're going

1155
00:58:50,937 --> 00:58:52,497
Speaker 1: to keep keep this going. Mike, thank you so much

1156
00:58:52,497 --> 00:58:54,217
Speaker 1: for your time, and it's great to see you. Thanks. Brother,