WEBVTT - Ep. 004 0:00:00.000 --> 0:00:03.440 Okay today, honest I want you to say, welcome to 0:00:03.440 --> 0:00:05.880 the me Eater podcast and Lavian you can't give me 0:00:05.920 --> 0:00:09.920 just a little bit of a head zone, come the 0:00:09.920 --> 0:00:13.040 Meta podcast and Laban and then introduce everyone in Lavian. 0:00:14.760 --> 0:00:20.720 I don't speak Lavian, so you can can do it well. 0:00:23.840 --> 0:00:37.360 Spade and Nan Ms knock him shorty in No Bozeman, Montana. 0:00:37.960 --> 0:00:44.760 Met Podcast leads in st Steve Ornella, Ryan Callahan, Britney Brothers, 0:00:45.120 --> 0:00:53.400 Helen Shoe, Jan Pool telling ladies, gentlemen, and Latvian. We're 0:00:53.400 --> 0:00:55.880 recording the media podcast out of Bowsman, Montana. We're in 0:00:55.880 --> 0:00:59.920 a place called Flats on Maine, joined by Ryan Callahan 0:01:01.280 --> 0:01:04.280 of he's famous for working at First Light, and he's 0:01:04.319 --> 0:01:07.960 famous for um his mustache, and he's famous for saying 0:01:08.880 --> 0:01:13.560 once addressing a bear, smell us, not a lady. And 0:01:16.640 --> 0:01:21.240 Brittany Brothers who works with us at meat Eater, Helen Shoe, 0:01:21.280 --> 0:01:23.840 who works with a meat Eater, and then um, the 0:01:23.959 --> 0:01:28.039 Lavian lover your honestly tell us who works with us 0:01:28.440 --> 0:01:30.639 at meat Eater. And we just got back from Helen 0:01:30.680 --> 0:01:33.120 and Britney's firs hunt. We're gonna talk about first hunts. 0:01:33.640 --> 0:01:34.920 But first I was talkt with something that happened to 0:01:34.920 --> 0:01:40.600 me in be honest. This morning, we're driving back from Damn, 0:01:40.600 --> 0:01:45.720 New York, Canada, just east of Glacier National Park where 0:01:45.720 --> 0:01:48.559 you enter the planes. There's these little island mountain chains 0:01:48.600 --> 0:01:50.800 out there, and we were hunting there and we're driving 0:01:50.800 --> 0:01:53.559 back to then we happened to stop in and visit 0:01:54.040 --> 0:01:58.680 with Uh. We had to stop in the long the 0:01:58.720 --> 0:02:01.760 long drive home and visit with this outfitter. And we 0:02:01.760 --> 0:02:06.880 we pull in there and there's a a mule deer 0:02:07.400 --> 0:02:11.799 laying on a piece of plywood land between two sawhorses, 0:02:11.800 --> 0:02:13.519 and it was it was funny because the multitys season 0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:16.480 had been closed for some time and it's laying there 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:18.760 and it had in the snow around it as all 0:02:18.800 --> 0:02:23.280 these magpie tracks and it's frozen rock solid, and uh, 0:02:23.480 --> 0:02:26.000 we're told this story about how some guy was out 0:02:26.080 --> 0:02:28.720 and had killed it a couple of weeks earlier, and 0:02:28.880 --> 0:02:31.639 UM didn't want it and they were going to donate 0:02:31.680 --> 0:02:34.680 it and did we want it? And it had been 0:02:34.720 --> 0:02:39.280 there two weeks and I was so depressed UM leaving 0:02:39.320 --> 0:02:40.720 there and we had a big I had like a 0:02:40.760 --> 0:02:47.160 big like uh, like a crisis. We almost took it 0:02:47.880 --> 0:02:51.160 family that was gonna get it. It's just and it's like, 0:02:51.440 --> 0:02:54.000 I don't know, just the whole thing is weird and ugly. 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:57.160 And then put me into a funk and we're driving 0:02:57.200 --> 0:02:59.399 on the road and I'm like talking about game wasters 0:02:59.560 --> 0:03:04.880 and how much how much I don't like them, and um, 0:03:05.000 --> 0:03:06.880 Yanni has some comment was like, well, yeah, well not 0:03:06.960 --> 0:03:11.440 everyone had a upbringing where that stuff was respected, you know. 0:03:11.440 --> 0:03:13.679 And it's like an education thing more than anything else. 0:03:14.040 --> 0:03:16.040 And and and and as I'm saying is I'm almost 0:03:16.120 --> 0:03:18.880 ready to tell Joannice about how I was like, I 0:03:18.880 --> 0:03:20.480 was gonna tell him this story where I was like, 0:03:21.000 --> 0:03:24.040 my old man would even go check other guys gut 0:03:24.120 --> 0:03:26.880 piles to get the heart and liver out of a 0:03:26.919 --> 0:03:30.120 gut pile. And as I'm about ready to tell Joannice this, 0:03:30.480 --> 0:03:35.480 we blow past a gut pile off in the field. 0:03:35.840 --> 0:03:39.080 We actually heard the cold, right, you guys did too, 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:43.240 So apparently these guys up in this area had gotten 0:03:43.480 --> 0:03:47.120 onto herd it out. They came out into the flat, 0:03:48.040 --> 0:03:52.960 and um, I heard rumor. I can't say this is true. 0:03:53.000 --> 0:03:55.040 And I say a rumor because it's not. It's it's 0:03:55.160 --> 0:03:58.680 very illegal but they apparently got after these elical cell phones. 0:03:58.920 --> 0:04:01.520 And there was a herd of like twenty seven cows 0:04:01.520 --> 0:04:02.960 and two spikes, and was all said and done. All 0:04:03.000 --> 0:04:06.680 the cows are dead. And uh, I mean legally tag 0:04:07.000 --> 0:04:09.400 But you know, I don't I don't know that that 0:04:09.440 --> 0:04:10.840 is what a guy said. It might that might have 0:04:10.880 --> 0:04:12.440 not been true at all. But here's his gut pile 0:04:12.480 --> 0:04:14.040 on the side of the road out in the egg field. 0:04:15.440 --> 0:04:18.080 And I said, you know what, turnaround, and I'm so 0:04:18.160 --> 0:04:20.840 upset about what happened earlier that day. I'm gonna turn around. 0:04:21.279 --> 0:04:23.839 I'm gonna go and get the heart and the liver 0:04:23.920 --> 0:04:29.080 out of that gut pile. So Yanny turns around, drives back. 0:04:29.160 --> 0:04:31.760 I walk out on the field of my knife, start 0:04:31.800 --> 0:04:35.400 digging through the gut pile. I'm looking for a ziplock back. 0:04:35.440 --> 0:04:37.080 I'm looking for a ziplock bag in the back of 0:04:37.080 --> 0:04:39.760 the truck. And the heart and liver had been taken 0:04:39.800 --> 0:04:45.160 by the hunter's And then I was back, and then 0:04:45.160 --> 0:04:48.400 I was back into a good mood again, meat season groceries. 0:04:51.160 --> 0:04:52.400 And then I was back in a good mood, and 0:04:52.440 --> 0:04:53.440 I was back in a good moon. We had a 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:58.800 nice drive home. Wow, that's like, did you guys check 0:04:58.800 --> 0:05:02.400 if her heart and liver telling them there when I 0:05:02.560 --> 0:05:06.440 when I blew through, the guys were out there skin 0:05:06.560 --> 0:05:09.360 they were got another one across the street. I guess 0:05:09.360 --> 0:05:12.120 he called across county road. They were got another one. 0:05:13.680 --> 0:05:15.360 Did you stop in and asking about the heart and liver? 0:05:16.800 --> 0:05:19.839 I did not. That brings us to what we were 0:05:19.839 --> 0:05:22.039 doing up in this in this chain of hills. And 0:05:24.800 --> 0:05:27.320 why don't you guys introduce selves Brittany and Helen. Helen 0:05:27.400 --> 0:05:30.560 has been on the podcast before you guys took me 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:35.560 fly fishing for the first time. First for Helen crafted 0:05:35.720 --> 0:05:37.800 with catch and release fishing. Did you release anything that day? 0:05:39.400 --> 0:05:45.200 You shouldn't release it, She shouldn't release her. Help. So 0:05:45.360 --> 0:05:47.640 talk a little about what you do and and what 0:05:47.680 --> 0:05:50.120 we did. Don't talk about what we did. Talk about 0:05:50.120 --> 0:05:51.760 what you do, Like how you came to be introduced 0:05:51.760 --> 0:05:56.120 all this? Oh? Um, well, so I worked for z 0:05:56.240 --> 0:05:58.200 p Z, I work for meat Eater, worked with you 0:05:58.360 --> 0:06:03.600 probably for four years, four years, four years. Um. Yeah. 0:06:03.640 --> 0:06:06.560 Basically we started the social media since the world within 0:06:06.640 --> 0:06:09.880 when you were in travel Channel and built the knee 0:06:09.960 --> 0:06:14.040 eater um social press presence from the ground up. So 0:06:14.920 --> 0:06:18.640 had you. Uh that was your introduction to hunting. Yeah, 0:06:18.680 --> 0:06:21.880 I met you through your photos. Actually, Like I remember, 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:24.640 one of my first jobs at CPZ was to scan 0:06:25.080 --> 0:06:29.279 all these photos from this like personal you know, like archive, 0:06:29.880 --> 0:06:32.000 and I'm going through this photo album and it's like, 0:06:32.080 --> 0:06:33.520 you know, it's like this kid, I don't know, he's 0:06:33.560 --> 0:06:36.440 like maybe four years old or something like it gets 0:06:36.480 --> 0:06:38.960 progressively like this kid gets older and older, and it's 0:06:39.000 --> 0:06:44.640 like every single animal, you know, it's like snakes, raccoons, 0:06:46.920 --> 0:06:51.360 And I was like, who the hell is this dude? Um? Well, yeah, 0:06:51.400 --> 0:06:52.920 that's how it was introduced you first, and I was 0:06:52.960 --> 0:06:56.040 like wow, I mean it's like every I mean, you know, 0:06:56.080 --> 0:06:58.240 I grew up in New York. It's like I'd never 0:06:58.279 --> 0:07:01.440 seen a moose, like someone holding a moose like that, 0:07:01.600 --> 0:07:05.120 or like you know, like dear um hanging. I mean 0:07:05.240 --> 0:07:10.000 everything just born Helen was born and raised and lives. 0:07:11.080 --> 0:07:13.760 Were you born raised in Manhattan? I was born in Manhattan, 0:07:13.920 --> 0:07:18.239 raised in Brooklyn, still live in Manhattan today and even 0:07:18.240 --> 0:07:21.200 went to you went to n y U for college. 0:07:21.400 --> 0:07:23.960 So the point is your New York to the core. Yeah, 0:07:24.800 --> 0:07:33.600 So I mean my mad, mad New York He's trying 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:37.760 to learn to have a zip, your zip your way 0:07:37.760 --> 0:07:42.720 of communicating. He's learned, Mad Brick. I don't even know 0:07:42.760 --> 0:07:50.600 that one. Apparently it's very cold anyways. Yeah me, um, yeah, 0:07:51.160 --> 0:07:53.600 so I've I've also worked for ZPZ. I worked for 0:07:53.680 --> 0:07:56.640 zz for like four years now, I think, and have 0:07:56.760 --> 0:07:59.160 worked for Meat Eater since the beginning in some capacity 0:07:59.240 --> 0:08:02.560 or another. Started out in the equipment room, started out 0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:05.400 down the Deep South, started out in the Deep South. Yeah, 0:08:05.640 --> 0:08:09.600 I'm from Charleston, South Carolina. Um, but yeah, I have 0:08:09.680 --> 0:08:11.600 been lived in New York for seven years. You guys 0:08:11.600 --> 0:08:16.040 still fly that Confederate flag down here now now they 0:08:16.040 --> 0:08:23.040 took that down goodness because they lost right a long 0:08:23.280 --> 0:08:28.840 time ago. I guess they're yers had to come down 0:08:28.880 --> 0:08:31.200 there and show you guys house done. Yeah. Well, you 0:08:31.200 --> 0:08:33.160 know my families from the North. Originally, I was born 0:08:33.160 --> 0:08:38.720 in Michigan. I don't have that. I was born in 0:08:38.800 --> 0:08:41.760 ann Arbor. Yeah, so I don't have this. You're like 0:08:41.800 --> 0:08:43.240 a cart you guys are. Your family is like a 0:08:43.280 --> 0:08:49.040 tarpetbagger fall um. But yeah, eventually made my way to 0:08:49.080 --> 0:08:51.400 New York. I went to college and yeah, I started 0:08:51.400 --> 0:08:54.520 working for z b Z in equipment well as an 0:08:54.520 --> 0:08:56.960 intern for Helen. Actually Helen hired me, so we go 0:08:57.040 --> 0:09:00.120 way back, is that right? Yeah, she hired me is 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:04.240 an intern. There's some highs and lows went along, just 0:09:04.320 --> 0:09:08.640 all high. One of my first jobs as an Internet 0:09:08.720 --> 0:09:11.160 EPC was trying to find a powder blue tuxedo for 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:16.079 Ron Jeremy. That's a that's a true story story, um, 0:09:16.160 --> 0:09:21.600 and that's my life has never been the same since. Um. 0:09:21.640 --> 0:09:26.840 But I started working on mediator and equipment, um impact 0:09:26.880 --> 0:09:29.440 all the gear, and it was always just like the dirtiest, 0:09:30.120 --> 0:09:32.960 messiest gear that we got back. I was just like 0:09:34.120 --> 0:09:37.959 what goes on? Always something broken? What do you mean 0:09:38.000 --> 0:09:42.600 by gear like camera gear? UM? I mean we were 0:09:42.600 --> 0:09:44.520 in charge of camping gear too, so we you know, 0:09:44.600 --> 0:09:46.240 sometimes you would come down to the second floor and 0:09:46.280 --> 0:09:48.680 like all the tents were oute. It looked like nobody 0:09:48.720 --> 0:09:53.080 wanted to come to the second like the smelliest smelly man. 0:09:54.600 --> 0:09:57.880 That must not have been my tent. I don't know 0:09:57.880 --> 0:10:07.360 who's tent. That's weird. That a personal problem. I just 0:10:07.600 --> 0:10:09.800 I just slept on the cot next year, and I 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:12.040 want to be specific about saying I slept on the 0:10:12.080 --> 0:10:15.960 cot next to you for the last for four nights 0:10:16.000 --> 0:10:22.200 and I never smelled the lady lady smell. Yeah. So 0:10:22.240 --> 0:10:24.559 I worked in equipment. The gear was always horribly messy 0:10:24.559 --> 0:10:28.800 and dirty, and I spent many nights cleaning it. Um 0:10:28.920 --> 0:10:31.840 and uh, I was just always kind of curious what 0:10:31.960 --> 0:10:34.439 went on, what was going on out there? Yeah, exactly. 0:10:35.480 --> 0:10:38.800 And you grew up thinking that, um, the hunters were 0:10:38.840 --> 0:10:41.160 like the devil spawn. Well, you know, I grew up, 0:10:46.040 --> 0:10:48.600 you know, and I'm not saying this is all you 0:10:48.640 --> 0:10:51.240 know Southern hunters, but I grew up thinking that they 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:53.600 were just a bunch of like hillbillies drinking beer and 0:10:53.640 --> 0:10:56.920 shooting things for the hell of it. Well those aspects 0:10:56.920 --> 0:10:59.360 of that. I'm sure they're handful of those people. But 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:02.160 I literally never thought of hunting is like a source 0:11:02.200 --> 0:11:04.280 of food at all. I just thought it was just 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:05.840 like again, like people just like to go out and 0:11:05.840 --> 0:11:09.920 shoot things. Yeah, I don't know anyone who ate wild game, No, 0:11:10.200 --> 0:11:12.960 never at all. I mean even today, Like none of 0:11:13.000 --> 0:11:16.640 our friends eat wild game. I mean people people who 0:11:16.679 --> 0:11:18.880 work you know, on the show. But I know a 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:20.960 handful of people now now back home, and I mean 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:25.120 I never realized before. But yeah, but then from equipment 0:11:25.400 --> 0:11:29.480 I worked started working in social Media strangely enough, um, 0:11:29.600 --> 0:11:32.200 and pretty much solely worked I mean we you know, 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:34.600 we had all our other shows, but Media was sort 0:11:34.600 --> 0:11:36.720 of like the main show that I worked on. And 0:11:36.760 --> 0:11:39.160 that's really like how I came to know you, how 0:11:39.240 --> 0:11:43.000 he came to know the crew a lot better. Um, 0:11:43.040 --> 0:11:48.880 not just our smells else and from smells to smiles, 0:11:49.000 --> 0:11:54.720 some smells to smiles, oh my god. Um. Yeah. And 0:11:54.760 --> 0:11:56.680 then and then I worked on that cookbook shoot last 0:11:56.720 --> 0:11:58.880 year because Dan got super sick and so I kind 0:11:58.880 --> 0:12:02.120 of had to like take over the logistics of that, 0:12:02.600 --> 0:12:07.440 um which is super fun. That was a crash course 0:12:07.480 --> 0:12:10.360 and all things wild. Games are coming out for another year, 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:16.000 but I mean just to mention it. And we started 0:12:16.000 --> 0:12:20.000 all talking about we start talking about doing this trip 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:24.680 one year ago. Was it really a year ago? Feels 0:12:24.679 --> 0:12:27.360 like long long than No. I think it was, well, yeah, 0:12:27.440 --> 0:12:32.200 probably a year. Well, we kept bugging you, like you know, 0:12:32.559 --> 0:12:34.320 and I don't know if it was remember, but we 0:12:34.360 --> 0:12:38.360 talked about this at in in Vegas. Had shot show 0:12:38.800 --> 0:12:44.080 last year and I said, Antelope, that's right, that would 0:12:44.080 --> 0:12:48.240 have not shots too far. I don't think it is. 0:12:48.480 --> 0:12:50.600 I think we talked about it a shot. We did 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:52.680 we definitely talked about that. I might have talked about it, 0:12:52.720 --> 0:12:54.400 but I would have said the shots are too far. 0:12:55.200 --> 0:12:58.200 Oh no, no, okay, I got you, not shot shots, 0:12:59.240 --> 0:13:02.560 shots you real quick. There's this big trade. It's like 0:13:02.640 --> 0:13:07.520 all shooting, sportsman's hunting, outdoor trade, that's what it stands for. 0:13:08.520 --> 0:13:13.000 But it's all out it's all um all firearm industry stuff, 0:13:13.040 --> 0:13:16.920 so stuff from like mall cop stuff to hunter stuff too. 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:19.520 I think calam put it best when he was saying 0:13:19.559 --> 0:13:22.040 that you're talking to people and one guy comes up 0:13:22.160 --> 0:13:24.400 and he's a mall cop. The next guy come up 0:13:24.920 --> 0:13:27.880 and he's killed a hundred people in Afghanistan, and it's 0:13:28.000 --> 0:13:32.120 very difficult to tell which one is which correct all 0:13:32.200 --> 0:13:36.760 firearm related vote from hunting to military. Yes, I make 0:13:36.920 --> 0:13:39.360 and make a strong point to just be very polite, 0:13:39.520 --> 0:13:42.480 you know, in all circumstances, because you just can't tell 0:13:42.520 --> 0:13:44.160 us going other. So we were at this thing shot 0:13:44.160 --> 0:13:47.080 show and it's it's gigantic trade shown Apparently we talked 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:50.200 about perhaps going Antelop Punton. It took a long time 0:13:50.240 --> 0:13:53.199 to settle on the Elk thing that we we we 0:13:53.200 --> 0:13:56.199 we just are coming right now. Today. We left camp 0:13:56.240 --> 0:14:00.640 this morning from hunting cow Elk and you know near 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:06.520 the Montana Alberta line, and UM and you guys, I 0:14:06.559 --> 0:14:11.680 was pressuring you guys to do a something easier. I 0:14:11.720 --> 0:14:16.240 wanted to go to Doug Durn's place and hunt white tails. 0:14:16.760 --> 0:14:19.320 And I just found out that they had the worst 0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:23.000 white tail opening day on record. My god, wow, I'm 0:14:23.000 --> 0:14:25.000 glad that we didn't do that. Said he couldn't see 0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:30.520 seventy five yards? Why is that fog? Driving snow and fogg. 0:14:31.480 --> 0:14:36.600 Nothing happened, No one got anything, worst year on record. 0:14:37.960 --> 0:14:40.320 So you guys got lucky. And I tried talking to 0:14:40.400 --> 0:14:42.680 doing that. I tried talking to doing all manner of things, 0:14:42.720 --> 0:14:46.720 and you guys said you wanted to go to um Alaska, 0:14:46.840 --> 0:14:49.160 Montana Alaska. Then what was cool about it is you 0:14:49.200 --> 0:14:55.360 got you guys, UM had to do hunter safety. How'd 0:14:55.400 --> 0:14:58.600 that go? I mean, what was your impression? I mean 0:14:58.640 --> 0:15:02.120 it was it was an eight hour online course and 0:15:02.160 --> 0:15:05.240 then like a five hour classroom session with a very 0:15:05.280 --> 0:15:10.720 interesting instructor, super nice guy, and we was surprisingly enough, 0:15:10.720 --> 0:15:12.480 we got a bunch of people from ZPC to do 0:15:12.560 --> 0:15:14.840 it too, not only just one session, but like a 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:17.360 second session that we were not a part of, Like 0:15:17.560 --> 0:15:19.600 we were surprised by how many people are interested at 0:15:19.640 --> 0:15:25.240 least like fifteen yet right, I had not. I had 0:15:25.280 --> 0:15:30.120 shot a gun on the cookbook Shoot with You was 0:15:30.120 --> 0:15:32.080 the first time I ever shot a gun in my life. 0:15:33.200 --> 0:15:35.080 But yeah, I've never shot a gun. So you're in 0:15:35.160 --> 0:15:39.920 Hunter's Safety and was it like, because here's the thing 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:43.920 most people, like most people the grow up around hunting, 0:15:44.000 --> 0:15:46.480 Like you've already been hunting a lot or been around it, 0:15:46.480 --> 0:15:48.560 and then you go to Hunter's Safety. You have a formality, 0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:55.480 you know, Yeah, but you went I haven't really like no, 0:15:55.680 --> 0:15:57.480 it was like it's probably was presented. He was like, 0:15:57.520 --> 0:16:00.880 honestly new material. Yeah, it was. I remember doing the 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:04.000 online course part of it on the subway and they 0:16:04.040 --> 0:16:07.800 have I'm not kidding, and part of like I remember 0:16:08.200 --> 0:16:11.000 it was like an interactive you know, each course would 0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:13.480 be somewhat interactive. So there was one part where they're 0:16:13.480 --> 0:16:15.960 showing you the different parts of like the rifle, and 0:16:16.000 --> 0:16:18.160 you can click on the bolt, you know, it shows 0:16:18.200 --> 0:16:20.400 you and it would be like click this to like, 0:16:20.720 --> 0:16:23.240 you know, move the bolt, and it would just show 0:16:23.280 --> 0:16:25.360 you how everything moves. So you can click the different 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:28.840 parts of the rifle, like now, pull the like click 0:16:28.880 --> 0:16:31.440 on the trigger to pull the trigger. You're doing it 0:16:31.480 --> 0:16:34.000 on the subway. Yeah, well, I mean, you know it's 0:16:34.000 --> 0:16:37.960 an eight hour of course, and it didn't arrest. You know, 0:16:40.120 --> 0:16:43.560 you got a lot of weird glances. You know. I 0:16:43.560 --> 0:16:45.240 got picked up in the New York subway for having 0:16:45.240 --> 0:16:50.480 a knife story. Yeah, talking like Crocodile don d style, 0:16:52.320 --> 0:16:54.560 Like just like this right here, like a clip on knife. 0:16:55.720 --> 0:16:57.400 But it has to be a certain You can't have 0:16:57.440 --> 0:17:00.240 something it's like a certain length. This is a um 0:17:00.440 --> 0:17:03.440 Saga pentagon only the one that I lost was a 0:17:03.480 --> 0:17:06.679 bench made same style deal years ago. I had a 0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:09.960 clip to my pocket, okay, And I'm walking at the 0:17:10.160 --> 0:17:11.639 I got off at the fourteen I was going to 0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:15.600 a business thing I'm going to. I'm at the fourteenth 0:17:15.720 --> 0:17:20.600 Street Union Square station and I'm walking to go to 0:17:20.640 --> 0:17:24.000 a meeting at a restaurant. And we're actually meeting with 0:17:24.040 --> 0:17:28.080 the people who run the restaurant. So I'm walking and 0:17:28.240 --> 0:17:29.800 I got the knife in my pocket, and all of 0:17:29.800 --> 0:17:34.600 a sudden, there's like, uh, a hobo figure next to me, 0:17:35.280 --> 0:17:37.720 but he's not I just think he is. And he 0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:39.880 flashes a badge. He says, what are you doing with that? Knife. 0:17:39.960 --> 0:17:42.280 I said, I just carry this knife around and I 0:17:42.320 --> 0:17:46.679 was living in Alaska an Alaska driver's license. So first 0:17:46.720 --> 0:17:49.040 they take they take me this little this little police 0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:52.160 station in the subway station, and they got my driver's 0:17:52.200 --> 0:17:57.879 license and they're grilling me about Sarah Palin Okay. And 0:17:57.920 --> 0:17:59.919 then they're like, why do you have a knife. I'm like, 0:18:00.000 --> 0:18:02.600 I just have the knife. It's like I don't. I'm not. 0:18:02.920 --> 0:18:06.359 It's like, you know, the only I had in my 0:18:06.400 --> 0:18:09.520 hand was a New Yorker magazine and a bench made 0:18:09.600 --> 0:18:12.560 knife click in my pocket, and an Alaska driver's license. 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:14.600 And they're baffled by what I'm doing here and why 0:18:14.640 --> 0:18:16.960 I have what I have, And in the end they 0:18:17.080 --> 0:18:19.840 steal my knife. I guess they would say confiscated it 0:18:20.640 --> 0:18:23.199 and give me a summons to appear in court for 0:18:23.359 --> 0:18:28.200 having a concealed or some kind of weapon. And I said, 0:18:28.200 --> 0:18:29.760 if I thought it had to be that it was 0:18:29.800 --> 0:18:32.800 like a long or three inches or whatever. And he said, 0:18:32.880 --> 0:18:38.480 it's a open assists knife, meaning you can had a 0:18:38.520 --> 0:18:40.439 thumb stud on it and you can open it with 0:18:40.520 --> 0:18:46.160 one hand, which made it an illegal thing to have. Now, 0:18:46.600 --> 0:18:52.000 one thing leads to another, and a well connected gentleman 0:18:52.920 --> 0:18:56.159 makes a couple of phone calls it within forty five minutes, 0:18:56.240 --> 0:19:01.720 I'm instructed to tear my summons up. Wow, you gotta 0:19:01.760 --> 0:19:04.919 be good to be Steve Ronella. And I asked, and 0:19:04.960 --> 0:19:08.040 I asked, well, what about the knife? And this gentleman 0:19:08.119 --> 0:19:10.760 looked at me like I was the in moron and said, 0:19:11.000 --> 0:19:15.000 forget about your knife at the end of it, because 0:19:15.000 --> 0:19:17.639 I've heard a couple of times, Mr Callahanna, are you 0:19:17.720 --> 0:19:22.880 aware that you have a bench wor enough? Nobody told 0:19:22.920 --> 0:19:29.119 me to anything out then, and I learned not then 0:19:29.359 --> 0:19:31.479 from then on when I'm on those subways, and then 0:19:31.560 --> 0:19:34.640 got I'm done ever being on those subways ever again. Um, 0:19:34.680 --> 0:19:40.280 I'm real nervous about betraying interest in any kind of weaponry. 0:19:42.080 --> 0:19:44.000 So I'll even you know, I'm like, I'll be reading 0:19:44.119 --> 0:19:46.720 like a sporting magazine and I always feel like people 0:19:46.720 --> 0:19:48.280 are looking at you know that are kind of like, 0:19:49.640 --> 0:19:54.080 give me the stink guy. It's just paranoia. So there 0:19:54.119 --> 0:19:56.359 you are studying for hunter safety on the thing. So 0:19:56.359 --> 0:19:59.280 you guys, then you have to learn to shoot. Yep, 0:20:00.440 --> 0:20:03.800 that was interesting. It was very interesting. I Mean, who 0:20:03.880 --> 0:20:09.040 knew that there was a shooting range out on State night. 0:20:09.160 --> 0:20:11.560 You had to help a lot one time. How are 0:20:11.600 --> 0:20:15.119 the steps in order to be like, okay, guns bullets 0:20:15.440 --> 0:20:19.200 shooting range. We spent quite some time out there, though 0:20:19.600 --> 0:20:21.959 they closed the range down the first time we went 0:20:22.000 --> 0:20:25.720 out there. Yeah, I think they're a little nervous. We 0:20:25.800 --> 0:20:29.040 told them we're coming on, we're gonna be shooting, and 0:20:29.320 --> 0:20:30.959 know that they closed dogs. We wanted to come out 0:20:30.960 --> 0:20:33.040 and film. But a body of mine is a is 0:20:33.080 --> 0:20:35.879 a member in good standing at this Staten Island range. 0:20:36.359 --> 0:20:38.280 And we went out there and they treated they like 0:20:38.359 --> 0:20:40.760 treated you guys like royalty out there. Man, How far 0:20:40.840 --> 0:20:46.960 can you shoot? East Coast Gun Range june Yard Bank. 0:20:48.320 --> 0:20:52.879 It's like the oldest or longest. There's something like longest running. 0:20:52.960 --> 0:20:56.480 It's called Colonial Gun Range. And this is a gun 0:20:56.600 --> 0:20:59.600 range in like an urban area and they spend most 0:20:59.600 --> 0:21:04.199 of their i'm an energy keeping themselves open. It's like 0:21:04.359 --> 0:21:07.240 every day is a new challenge to keep this range open. 0:21:08.040 --> 0:21:12.640 Great dudes, tons like tons of former cops. My friend 0:21:12.720 --> 0:21:14.720 out there is a is a driver drives for to 0:21:14.720 --> 0:21:17.920 stay so he'll drive like politicians and stuff for the city. 0:21:18.000 --> 0:21:19.960 But he's a member out there. Tons of former law 0:21:20.040 --> 0:21:22.520 enforcement guys are members out there and they go there 0:21:22.520 --> 0:21:24.199 and shoot, and we went out and started learning how 0:21:24.320 --> 0:21:25.920 the first time I went out, we took a seventeen 0:21:27.960 --> 0:21:34.840 h MR I think seven millimeter remy to magnum, I 0:21:35.200 --> 0:21:38.880 take your maybe two seventy. Yeah, I think we took 0:21:38.880 --> 0:21:45.080 something seventy and we're powerful, Yeah, because one was crazy loud. 0:21:45.520 --> 0:21:48.600 One was super loud and really like it packed a punch. Yeah, 0:21:49.160 --> 0:21:54.639 which seventy now yeah, him into seventy. We shot a 0:21:54.640 --> 0:21:57.760 whole We shot a ton of room fire around at targets, 0:21:58.280 --> 0:22:01.960 and then we all from the bench and you guys 0:22:01.960 --> 0:22:05.840 shot some center fire, like some bigger rounds, and then 0:22:05.840 --> 0:22:07.479 you kept going back. So how many times, like how 0:22:07.520 --> 0:22:09.640 many rain sessions? You had a number of range sessions 0:22:09.680 --> 0:22:11.680 after that with Joe, we went like once a month, 0:22:11.720 --> 0:22:16.159 I would say, for three or four months. Yeah, to 0:22:16.200 --> 0:22:19.479 the point where you're honest night before it's honest. We 0:22:19.520 --> 0:22:23.240 went down to the range here in in outside of Bozeman, 0:22:23.920 --> 0:22:30.000 and you guys are shooting for fantastic groups. Um Brittan, 0:22:30.000 --> 0:22:34.320 you hit a gong at what's the farthest going there, 0:22:36.080 --> 0:22:40.320 hit a going to hit it going at three right, 0:22:40.680 --> 0:22:43.280 it went at four thirty and then all of your 0:22:43.280 --> 0:22:48.480 shots were within a palm sized group at huntred yards, 0:22:48.680 --> 0:22:54.480 shooting from the bench, prone over a backpack, and sitting 0:22:54.880 --> 0:23:00.879 with a with a bipod. Over all very good shooting. 0:23:00.960 --> 0:23:07.000 I gotta just say, I think that's amazing and it's fantastic, 0:23:07.080 --> 0:23:08.680 but it kind of irks me at the same time 0:23:08.680 --> 0:23:13.200 because I know so many people that have never ever 0:23:13.280 --> 0:23:15.920 practiced those shots. No, you go to the range and 0:23:15.960 --> 0:23:19.159 shooting then anything, that's it. Yeah, they shoot three shots 0:23:19.160 --> 0:23:24.040 at paper and they're like, oh, yeah, that's two more 0:23:24.119 --> 0:23:28.400 or less. Time we go hunting, you know, said yeah, 0:23:28.600 --> 0:23:30.760 and you're never gonna shoot a big amy from a bench. 0:23:31.680 --> 0:23:35.520 They never, But it's like it's unlikely. Yes, it's unlikely. Yes, 0:23:35.640 --> 0:23:38.040 that's a lot of what we Helen and I had 0:23:38.119 --> 0:23:41.199 And be honest, we all covered this week. It was 0:23:41.240 --> 0:23:45.360 like things are not going to be perfect. The more 0:23:45.440 --> 0:23:48.000 you can have in your head that things are not 0:23:48.040 --> 0:23:51.440 going to be perfect, it's not gonna be like some Okay, 0:23:51.520 --> 0:23:54.720 we're gonna set up, get things rock solid, the Elk 0:23:54.760 --> 0:23:59.320 is gonna step out, gun deal, get the bench set up, 0:24:01.880 --> 0:24:05.080 get the sand bags out. So yeah, you guys got 0:24:05.160 --> 0:24:08.639 cracking on the rifles. And then we took off and 0:24:08.720 --> 0:24:11.960 the hunt we did was there's a there's this area 0:24:12.040 --> 0:24:16.360 up there where in Montana. The way it works is, uh, 0:24:16.520 --> 0:24:18.800 you buy what's called a general elk license and the 0:24:18.840 --> 0:24:23.399 general elk license depending on how many units are, and 0:24:23.520 --> 0:24:26.200