WEBVTT - Horror Roundtable: The VVitch 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:02.960 Welcome to Movie Crush, a production of I Heart Radio. 0:00:28.600 --> 0:00:31.880 Hey everybody, and welcome to movie Crush for our first 0:00:32.520 --> 0:00:39.680 horror movie round table. That's spooky voices you're hearing that's 0:00:39.680 --> 0:00:43.080 actually null, believe it or not. Okay, I'm okay, I'm okay, 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:46.120 I'm okay. And we have uh, Lauren and Annie with 0:00:46.280 --> 0:00:52.839 us as well, they too, are spooky. Finest compliment that 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:57.120 you could give us anytime. So, Noel, when you got 0:00:57.240 --> 0:00:59.440 up for a minute and left the room, it was 0:00:59.520 --> 0:01:01.400 just the three of us left to talk about you, 0:01:02.120 --> 0:01:04.560 and we posed the question, when was the last time 0:01:04.600 --> 0:01:11.080 you had on hard pants? Not so, I'm sorry? Hard pants? 0:01:11.520 --> 0:01:16.400 Is that a thing? Did you like wooden pants like 0:01:16.400 --> 0:01:22.440 wicker Man style? You know? Yeah, you know? I gosh, 0:01:22.640 --> 0:01:24.520 you're making me, really putting me on the spot here. 0:01:24.840 --> 0:01:28.400 I mean, look, these are comfy, uh kind of puma 0:01:28.520 --> 0:01:30.680 type shorts, you know. I wear them when I'm around 0:01:30.680 --> 0:01:34.800 the house. I've I've occasionally dawned a pant. I've been 0:01:34.840 --> 0:01:38.440 known to donn a pant. But why who cares? Why 0:01:38.520 --> 0:01:41.679 bother unless you're going you know, out or something, and 0:01:42.440 --> 0:01:44.320 most of us aren't doing too much of that. But 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:46.640 I've I've I've well, I've been out and I wore 0:01:46.680 --> 0:01:48.320 a pant, but you know what, I've also been out 0:01:48.320 --> 0:01:52.000 and worn these shorts. So to roll the dice, folks 0:01:52.760 --> 0:01:58.600 get well, We're here to kick off our official Halloween 0:01:58.680 --> 0:02:03.080 season on the Friday at ish with the two film 0:02:03.240 --> 0:02:08.280 The Witch Uh Colon, a New England folk tale, and 0:02:08.480 --> 0:02:11.840 that is from the great at the time new writer 0:02:11.919 --> 0:02:15.320 and director Robert Eggers, who was quickly established himself as 0:02:15.480 --> 0:02:17.400 one of the new masters. I think we can all loogree, 0:02:17.560 --> 0:02:21.440 right absolutely, And let's just go around with our our 0:02:21.520 --> 0:02:26.239 history here of seeing this movie and how many times 0:02:26.280 --> 0:02:29.080 and when the first time was Lauren and I saw 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:31.560 it together for the first time. If I'm not mistaken, 0:02:31.760 --> 0:02:36.440 I believe so, yeah, at Midtown Arts Cinema. I think 0:02:36.480 --> 0:02:39.400 it was one of huh yeah, we um. It's one 0:02:39.440 --> 0:02:42.200 of the movies that we like stumbled out of. And 0:02:42.360 --> 0:02:44.840 I don't know what day or a month or year 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:48.120 or time of day it was at the time, seems 0:02:48.120 --> 0:02:52.400 like so long ago, but but yeah, we stumbled out 0:02:52.400 --> 0:02:54.120 and we were like, okay, we need a whiskey about this, 0:02:54.200 --> 0:02:56.880 and so like just stumbled directly to the Highlander, the 0:02:56.880 --> 0:02:59.680 Little bar next door and proceeded to drink about it. 0:03:00.280 --> 0:03:03.040 Just go like, what just happened? What happened to our faces? 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:07.480 That's amazing, Annie, what about you? I also saw it 0:03:07.480 --> 0:03:10.120 in theaters at Midtown Arts. I think I saw it 0:03:10.160 --> 0:03:14.000 a couple of times. Um, yeah, yeah, yeah, And I've 0:03:14.040 --> 0:03:16.560 since seen it enough. I know. We jokingly said when 0:03:16.560 --> 0:03:18.480 we chose this movie in our email chain that the 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:22.480 three of us Lauren Nolan I could just quote it um, 0:03:22.520 --> 0:03:26.399 which is probably true. But I watched it again nonetheless, 0:03:26.440 --> 0:03:28.839 because I'm always going to be prepared and I will 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:31.720 always take an excuse to rewatch it and over on 0:03:31.919 --> 0:03:33.600 stuff I've never told you. The other podcast I do, 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:36.680 we did a whole episode on it, um, so I'm 0:03:36.720 --> 0:03:40.800 quite familiar. Well, that's perfect. I saw it in New 0:03:40.880 --> 0:03:45.560 York City when it came out, muting my computer. And uh, 0:03:46.280 --> 0:03:48.360 there is a story in there that I've said before 0:03:48.360 --> 0:03:50.440 on the show to both Nolan the movie crushers. But 0:03:50.680 --> 0:03:52.360 when we get to that part, I will retell it 0:03:52.360 --> 0:03:54.840 for your benefit. But I saw in New York and 0:03:54.920 --> 0:03:56.160 then that was the only time I had seen it 0:03:56.240 --> 0:04:02.040 until again last night. And are you ready to live deliciously? Everyone? 0:04:04.240 --> 0:04:09.440 The line that spawned a thousand cross stitches. Have you 0:04:09.520 --> 0:04:12.120 seen me? There's a bunch of them with like little 0:04:12.120 --> 0:04:15.640 goati's with like live deliciously. Maybe it's not a thousand, 0:04:15.680 --> 0:04:18.680 but definitely a few of the I'd say a thousand. Yeah, 0:04:18.720 --> 0:04:20.560 I've I've got a T shirt that says that, and 0:04:20.600 --> 0:04:24.160 it's got a cute little goat on it. Absolutely. Yeah. 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:26.120 The newest season of what we do in the Shadows, 0:04:26.160 --> 0:04:29.920 there's a black Philip. It's clearly black Philip. Right, He's 0:04:29.960 --> 0:04:34.640 like an all was washed out goat. I wish I 0:04:34.680 --> 0:04:36.560 had a photo to show you. I have goats that 0:04:36.600 --> 0:04:39.039 live across the street. I was raised with goats. I 0:04:39.040 --> 0:04:42.280 had goats as pets a couple of different times when 0:04:42.320 --> 0:04:44.719 I was a kid. And then I have goats across 0:04:44.760 --> 0:04:47.600 the street from my house here and that. There have 0:04:47.720 --> 0:04:50.760 been up to ten at various times. Now they're down 0:04:50.760 --> 0:04:55.200 to two. But one of the two, uh is it? 0:04:55.600 --> 0:04:57.640 You know? He looks like a black Philip. He's a 0:04:57.680 --> 0:05:02.800 big boy. Um. He has a habit of been pregnating 0:05:02.839 --> 0:05:05.520 all the lady goats. So there's been little babies here 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:07.960 and there. There's a lady over there there's pregnant, right, now, 0:05:07.960 --> 0:05:10.640 but he has the horns that curl out to the side. 0:05:10.800 --> 0:05:15.159 Oh yeah, very creepy. Look yeah, it's sort of different 0:05:15.160 --> 0:05:17.960 than Black Philip. But I call him black Philip, but 0:05:18.040 --> 0:05:21.680 everyone else in our house calls him Billy of course. Yeah, chuck. 0:05:21.720 --> 0:05:23.520 When you when you just set up to ten goats, 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:27.599 in my mind immediately the phrase up to ten goats agree, 0:05:27.960 --> 0:05:32.680 satan is cool? He's nine out of tints. Well, yeah, 0:05:32.720 --> 0:05:37.200 there's no outl or they all agree to as many 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:43.600 as ten. Okay, okay, by the way, for in town Atlanta, 0:05:43.640 --> 0:05:45.479 you can have you can only have ten goats, So 0:05:45.520 --> 0:05:49.880 that's is that true? That is true? Ten farm animals? 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:52.360 Now in your experience, because I've never really hung out 0:05:52.360 --> 0:05:55.400 with goats, Um are are they chill? Is this like? 0:05:55.440 --> 0:05:57.400 Did you have a good experience with these pets as 0:05:57.400 --> 0:05:59.680 a child. Yeah, oh yeah, they're great. And they were 0:05:59.760 --> 0:06:02.680 raised in the outdoor pin with my dogs, so they 0:06:02.680 --> 0:06:07.000 were very doglike and very playful. And uh the one 0:06:07.360 --> 0:06:10.000 my one goat, Nestor had he was de horned before 0:06:10.040 --> 0:06:12.200 we got him, but he didn't know that, so he 0:06:12.279 --> 0:06:15.279 still played Billy goat games with me. So I would 0:06:15.320 --> 0:06:17.599 put my head up against his head and we would 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:19.680 push back and forth and kind of a reverse tug 0:06:19.680 --> 0:06:21.520 of war, and he would get up on his hind 0:06:21.640 --> 0:06:24.400 legs like Philip does and like butt down at me 0:06:24.440 --> 0:06:26.599 and stuff. It was a lot of fun. They're great. 0:06:27.040 --> 0:06:30.400 That is so darling, I've heard. I've heard that in contrast, 0:06:30.560 --> 0:06:34.280 the the Goat actor who played Black Philip was an 0:06:34.320 --> 0:06:38.800 actual unholy terror on set, just the worst co star. 0:06:39.360 --> 0:06:42.520 Um that the rabbit was super chill. Black Philip not 0:06:42.600 --> 0:06:45.840 so much, right, Chuck. You think you buried the lead 0:06:45.880 --> 0:06:49.520 real quick. Nestor is that of the biblical Nestor? Is that? Like? 0:06:49.640 --> 0:06:52.679 I don't know. I'm not sure who in my family 0:06:52.760 --> 0:06:56.520 named him Nestor, but we had Nestor and Ramesses and 0:06:56.560 --> 0:07:00.120 then later on I think another goat. But nest there 0:07:00.200 --> 0:07:05.560 was really my love. He was the best. Nestre is 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:07.920 an interesting name. I don't think I've ever met anyone 0:07:08.200 --> 0:07:11.280 or met a pet named Nester. So yeah, well there 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:14.120 you have it. Nester's long gone. One of the kind. Apparently, 0:07:14.200 --> 0:07:18.320 when Heracles invaded the country of Nilius, he slew his 0:07:18.360 --> 0:07:22.240 son's Nestor alone was spared. I'm just gonna start calling 0:07:22.240 --> 0:07:25.920 you Nolopedia. Yeah, that's yeah, that was actually not that 0:07:25.960 --> 0:07:29.960 was from Bible history dot com. Just egg on my face, 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:36.680 goat smolk on my face. Uh. So this is, like 0:07:36.720 --> 0:07:39.920 I said, subtitled a New England folk tale and I 0:07:40.040 --> 0:07:43.440 kind of forgot that part until that title screen came up. 0:07:43.960 --> 0:07:46.240 And it really is a folk tale and all the best, 0:07:46.320 --> 0:07:51.400 most rich ways and in that sort of folk tale tradition. Uh. 0:07:51.440 --> 0:07:54.600 And one of my favorite things that I jumped onto 0:07:54.720 --> 0:07:57.440 last night was how quickly and this movie was an 0:07:57.440 --> 0:08:00.280 hour and a half and it could have been a 0:08:00.320 --> 0:08:02.040 two hour film. There could have been a whole first 0:08:02.080 --> 0:08:06.160 act that really detailed their life before they left, but 0:08:06.240 --> 0:08:09.280 it just jumps right into that premise of them being 0:08:09.560 --> 0:08:13.120 basically expelled from whatever colony they're in. Yeah. The first 0:08:13.160 --> 0:08:15.400 time I saw it with the witch shows up immediately 0:08:15.440 --> 0:08:17.560 because I thought like maybe there isn't a witch and 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:22.200 you're like, oh my god, they're yeah, yeah, yeah, they 0:08:22.240 --> 0:08:25.000 waste no time. It's like twenty seconds after that baby 0:08:25.040 --> 0:08:28.200 first disappears, they're like, Noah, which took it. That's what's 0:08:28.240 --> 0:08:31.480 going on, let's see, And then they drop that line 0:08:31.560 --> 0:08:33.680 for like forty five minutes and you're like, did I 0:08:33.720 --> 0:08:38.240 hallucinate it, Am I hallucinating what's going on here? Which line, 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:42.600 the line about the witch, the the entire just storyline 0:08:42.640 --> 0:08:46.320 of like it's just normal family drama for forty five minutes, 0:08:46.360 --> 0:08:49.800 and I'm like, cool, thank you. Yeah, I was surprised. 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:53.760 You know, it's a different approach to play it, uh 0:08:54.080 --> 0:08:56.480 that way and not play it out longer and build 0:08:56.480 --> 0:09:01.840 that suspense. Yet it is totally suspenseful, sill because I 0:09:01.880 --> 0:09:04.160 guess you do sort of wonder whether or not there 0:09:04.160 --> 0:09:06.840 really is a witch, even though it shows that which, 0:09:07.240 --> 0:09:09.400 you know, crushing up that baby and rubbing it all 0:09:09.400 --> 0:09:12.320 over her body and one of the more disturbing parts 0:09:12.320 --> 0:09:15.640 of a very disturbing movie. But I also feel like 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:19.360 there was some restraints involved in the movie just in general, 0:09:19.840 --> 0:09:22.440 Like it only showed the which a couple of times. 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:25.360 That sequence is obviously incredible, and then you see her 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:29.319 taking flights, you know, against the moon or whatever, and 0:09:29.360 --> 0:09:31.240 all of that and all of this, you know, the 0:09:31.280 --> 0:09:33.400 folk tale part of it is interesting because it is 0:09:33.480 --> 0:09:36.840 based in you know, folklore, the idea of which is 0:09:36.880 --> 0:09:40.040 creating this like ointment that they can use to coat 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:43.480 themselves and their brooms that give them the power of flight, 0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:47.160 which in you know, uh, folklore and history is also 0:09:47.280 --> 0:09:50.840 like the thought to be hallucinogenic. And there's definitely some 0:09:50.880 --> 0:09:54.240 hallucinogenic elements in this movie. And it even implies at 0:09:54.320 --> 0:09:57.319 times maybe that there was a rot on their crops 0:09:57.360 --> 0:10:01.080 that was that or got poisoning situation that was involved 0:10:01.160 --> 0:10:04.920 in the Salem witch trials. Potentially that has like an 0:10:05.040 --> 0:10:09.400 LSD type uh component to it. Interesting, I didn't pick 0:10:09.480 --> 0:10:13.480 up on that, so uh yeah. So so one of 0:10:13.520 --> 0:10:16.480 the lines of thought is that is that there is 0:10:16.520 --> 0:10:19.240 no witch and that this family suffering suffering from like 0:10:19.360 --> 0:10:24.360 mass hallucination maybe but but but but but yet there 0:10:24.400 --> 0:10:26.959 it's not like you're seeing everything through their perspective. All 0:10:26.960 --> 0:10:29.559 the witch stuff is just you're there with the witch. 0:10:29.600 --> 0:10:31.400 So the implication to me would be that that which 0:10:31.440 --> 0:10:34.800 is damn real. Um, but they also might have their 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:40.600 madness might have been furthered by this hallucinogenic contamination or 0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:42.600 something like that. I don't know a lot of fun 0:10:42.640 --> 0:10:46.840 ways to look at it, for sure, I love it. Um. 0:10:47.000 --> 0:10:50.360 Let's talk about the cast. It's it's a very cheap 0:10:50.360 --> 0:10:52.080 way to make make a movie. I think they spent 0:10:52.120 --> 0:10:56.240 about four million bucks against a forty to fifty million 0:10:56.240 --> 0:11:00.760 dollar take, which is a very big hit in those terms. 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:04.920 But the cast is so perfect. Um. I think that's 0:11:04.960 --> 0:11:08.200 the first time that we had all seen Anya Taylor Joy, 0:11:08.640 --> 0:11:11.360 wasn't it before the Night Channelain movie she was in. Yeah, 0:11:11.960 --> 0:11:15.280 he was awesome. That face, those big she just looks 0:11:15.320 --> 0:11:18.120 so perfect. Yeah. That that beautiful first shot that you 0:11:18.160 --> 0:11:20.200 really get of her when she's at prayer in the 0:11:20.240 --> 0:11:22.640 beginning of the movie and she's like, bless me father, 0:11:22.760 --> 0:11:24.760 for I have sin, I've done all of this terrible stuff. 0:11:24.760 --> 0:11:28.560 And you're looking at this beautiful, perfect darling face in 0:11:28.559 --> 0:11:31.760 in this time and place where like, clearly this this 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:36.319 tiny child has done nothing, but it's so fearful. Um, 0:11:36.400 --> 0:11:39.000 and it just really kicks on and she's great. She's 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:44.000 great in it, like like what a little shit kicker. Gosh, 0:11:44.040 --> 0:11:45.760 I love how fired up she gets by the end 0:11:45.760 --> 0:11:49.480 of the film. And then we have Ralph Innison. Um, 0:11:50.400 --> 0:11:53.160 fans of the original BBC Office you know know him. Well, 0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:55.720 it's so great. He was the asshole character, right, he 0:11:55.840 --> 0:11:58.880 was like sort of yeah, he was always playing pranks 0:11:58.880 --> 0:12:02.160 and being a misogynist, a douche bag. He's so good, 0:12:02.240 --> 0:12:05.240 and there's there's just uh, there's I mean, they they 0:12:05.520 --> 0:12:08.560 they're great actors, but there's something about casting certain looks 0:12:09.000 --> 0:12:12.240 for time periods. And all of them boys, especially that mom, 0:12:12.280 --> 0:12:14.360 I mean look like they just stepped right off the colony, 0:12:14.360 --> 0:12:17.320 you know. Oh yeah yeah, And Kate Dickie is so strong, 0:12:17.640 --> 0:12:19.959 like I I just can't well, Hey, I feel a 0:12:19.960 --> 0:12:21.560 little bit bad because I'm at this point. I'm like, 0:12:21.600 --> 0:12:25.160 you're getting typecast is like weird breastfeeding mama and this 0:12:25.240 --> 0:12:28.440 is this is right because you do something else Game 0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:32.319 of Thrones. Yeah. Yeah, she played um oh gosh, the 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:35.559 lady of the Eerie who continues breastfeeding her son until 0:12:35.600 --> 0:12:41.520 he's like thirteen. So yeah, okay, I'm not gonna judge. 0:12:43.040 --> 0:12:45.680 Her name is like Lisa or something like that. There 0:12:45.720 --> 0:12:50.320 you go. That's I didn't watch Game of Thrones. I 0:12:50.320 --> 0:12:52.360 know that makes me weird, not at all. It's not. 0:12:52.440 --> 0:12:56.440 It's not for everybody, but quite enjoyed it until you know, 0:12:56.559 --> 0:13:03.920 I didn't anymore. Uh. We got Harvey Scrimshaw as Caleb, who, boy, 0:13:04.200 --> 0:13:06.400 I read a big I read an article I think 0:13:06.400 --> 0:13:09.040 it was maybe Film School Rejects, just about that one 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:12.280 scene and Edgar's was talking about how nervous he was, 0:13:12.760 --> 0:13:15.480 because it's eleven pages in a in a not super 0:13:15.520 --> 0:13:18.160 long script, very big chunk of the script, and that 0:13:18.200 --> 0:13:21.440 possession I guess scene for lack of a better description, 0:13:21.960 --> 0:13:25.199 and it is just so fucking great. Man. I I 0:13:25.240 --> 0:13:27.960 don't know how that boy brought that. And and they 0:13:28.000 --> 0:13:29.560 were in such a tight space. He was talking about 0:13:29.559 --> 0:13:31.880 shooting it with all those cast members in there, and 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:36.000 those two little ship head twins you kind of want 0:13:36.080 --> 0:13:38.440 to die or disappear. And I say that as a 0:13:38.480 --> 0:13:41.880 loving bother, but they're all packed in this space. And 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:45.000 he was like, I knew that we just had to um, 0:13:45.080 --> 0:13:48.000 we had to block around them because it's all about 0:13:48.760 --> 0:13:52.360 them bringing the performance. And he really did. Yeah. Yeah. 0:13:52.520 --> 0:13:54.640 Every time I watched that, I'm like, wow, did they 0:13:55.120 --> 0:13:58.520 what did they tell him to do? And they talked 0:13:58.559 --> 0:14:01.960 about soccer, they did. They said, you know some of 0:14:01.960 --> 0:14:05.120 the stuff that felt sort of overtly sexual. He's he 0:14:05.200 --> 0:14:07.280 was getting him kind of fired up about soccer and 0:14:07.320 --> 0:14:13.640 stuff like that. That's the thing too about like a director, 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:16.959 like you know, to be able to direct like blocking 0:14:17.080 --> 0:14:19.120 and all of the period accurate stuff, and then also 0:14:19.200 --> 0:14:21.280 to be able to direct like kid like that and 0:14:21.320 --> 0:14:24.160 just you know, such a tight cast with the weird 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:27.120 period dialogue. Like that's what really sets this dude a part, 0:14:27.200 --> 0:14:29.480 in my opinion, is like his ability to just be 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:32.640 the full package, you know, and what a scene and 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:36.160 then he pukes up the apple and all of that stuff. 0:14:36.360 --> 0:14:39.240 Iconic moment. Really, honestly, this movie I think we can 0:14:39.440 --> 0:14:42.360 already call a classic and say his iconic. So many 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:44.920 things about it. Yeah, you mentioned that script. Let's talk 0:14:44.920 --> 0:14:47.600 about that because as we all know that he he 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:50.920 did I think several months worth of research before he 0:14:50.920 --> 0:14:53.920 even started putting his little fingers on the keyboard, and 0:14:54.000 --> 0:14:57.080 it really shows. And it was for a first movie too. 0:14:57.080 --> 0:15:00.840 It's a very brave, bold move, I think. Yeah, I 0:15:01.000 --> 0:15:03.480 feel like the first time that I watched it, it 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:06.600 took me about the length of that opening kind of 0:15:06.640 --> 0:15:10.280 like court sequence where the family is being banished um 0:15:10.800 --> 0:15:15.120 to to to really get into um into the linguistics 0:15:15.200 --> 0:15:18.040 of that dialogue, and then I kind of forgot about 0:15:18.080 --> 0:15:19.280 it for the rest of the film the first time 0:15:19.320 --> 0:15:21.120 I was watching it. But now every time I go back, 0:15:21.160 --> 0:15:24.360 it's just so it's just really beautiful and in the 0:15:24.400 --> 0:15:26.640 way that the actors managed to wrangle it and especially 0:15:26.720 --> 0:15:29.960 the kids, what are they doing? I'm like, how dare 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:34.720 they be so good? How dare the yeah? And the uh? 0:15:35.080 --> 0:15:39.440 Have you have you all watched it with subtitles or not? 0:15:39.600 --> 0:15:43.200 I have in a subsequent viewing with with a friend. Yes, 0:15:43.560 --> 0:15:45.400 it's you know, I mean, if you've if you've seen 0:15:45.440 --> 0:15:48.560 it a few times, I would recommend it because it's 0:15:49.000 --> 0:15:50.840 there's a lot of stuff in there that I have 0:15:51.360 --> 0:15:55.160 missed before, and a lot of little subtleties. But um, 0:15:55.200 --> 0:15:58.520 it definitely helped, but it is distracting, of course. I 0:15:58.520 --> 0:16:01.800 would definitely say, like, at this point you can take 0:16:01.840 --> 0:16:03.640 your eye away from the screen enough to read those 0:16:03.920 --> 0:16:16.320 Oh sure, yeah it was Ellie Granger and who's that 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:21.240 other little kid that's one of the twins, When Lucas 0:16:21.320 --> 0:16:26.880 Dawson is Jonas. They're disturbing and unsettling. Everything adds an 0:16:26.880 --> 0:16:30.760 air of unsettledness. Yeah, And I do love a kids 0:16:30.760 --> 0:16:34.040 are Creepy troupe because I mean kids are creepy so 0:16:34.600 --> 0:16:36.880 uh that you don't know what's going on in their heads. 0:16:36.920 --> 0:16:39.880 They're they're they're people, but not yet I don't know, 0:16:40.080 --> 0:16:43.120 like what's going on with that? Yeah, the first time 0:16:43.160 --> 0:16:46.240 I saw it, I never ever thought Black Philip was real, 0:16:47.160 --> 0:16:48.840 and so when the Twins came on, I thought they 0:16:48.880 --> 0:16:51.640 were just being annoying, Like I really was, like jeez. 0:16:51.960 --> 0:16:55.840 But then in the end it turns out, yeah, it 0:16:55.880 --> 0:16:59.560 is the implication that the devil Goat was whispering to 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:04.080 the chill dren and getting them to do things, and yeah, okay, yeah, 0:17:04.280 --> 0:17:07.720 I mean the whole family kind of turns at the 0:17:07.840 --> 0:17:09.720 end of that. That's the scariest part to me is 0:17:09.760 --> 0:17:13.080 I've never ever so we all grew up hearing about 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:15.160 like the Salem witch trials, but this is the first 0:17:15.200 --> 0:17:17.200 time I watched something. I was like, oh my god, 0:17:17.280 --> 0:17:20.760 you could not prove that you weren't a witch, and 0:17:20.800 --> 0:17:25.080 how terrifying that is. And like, the whole family turns 0:17:25.119 --> 0:17:28.760 against thomasin and she's just so isolated. And that's what 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:33.400 Black Philip wanted is just see, see the society has 0:17:33.440 --> 0:17:38.359 failed you. Now come this way, have some butter, the 0:17:38.480 --> 0:17:43.880 taste of butter. He never promises her butter, but I'm out, 0:17:44.040 --> 0:17:50.359 I'm out a little dipping in a butter turn. Uh. Yeah, 0:17:50.400 --> 0:17:53.600 there's there's something about a One of my favorite kinds 0:17:53.640 --> 0:17:59.880 of movies is small cast, isolated setting and everyone slowly 0:18:00.480 --> 0:18:03.879 losing their minds one by one. It's such an effective 0:18:04.040 --> 0:18:06.280 set up, and we've seen it time and time again, 0:18:06.320 --> 0:18:08.600 but it works so well here because, like you were saying, 0:18:08.640 --> 0:18:12.640 any all, all someone has to do is, especially after 0:18:12.720 --> 0:18:16.040 they start kind of spiraling out of control mentally, is 0:18:16.680 --> 0:18:20.080 you know, she's our sisters a witch? And she squirted 0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:24.919 blood from that goat, which happened I guess rightly? Was 0:18:24.960 --> 0:18:26.640 she a witch? I mean, I know she became one, 0:18:26.720 --> 0:18:30.720 but I mean, you know that the goat could have 0:18:30.760 --> 0:18:33.679 just had blood in its milk. Um, that could have 0:18:33.720 --> 0:18:38.080 been just a normal natural medical thing. Um. She also 0:18:38.080 --> 0:18:40.560 found that chicken egg, the that that broken egg that 0:18:40.680 --> 0:18:46.159 was an unborn chicken. But you know it's it's it 0:18:46.200 --> 0:18:50.160 could have been just black Philip fucking with them, right. Yeah, 0:18:50.400 --> 0:18:53.399 Squirting blood is a good classic creepy thing to do. 0:18:53.720 --> 0:18:59.399 You know, if I were Lucifer in the Sevres, blood 0:18:59.400 --> 0:19:01.520 coming out of he says, where non blood thing should 0:19:01.560 --> 0:19:05.200 be coming out, like yeah, like in it, crying blood 0:19:05.280 --> 0:19:07.360 or like in it when she turns on the faucet 0:19:07.400 --> 0:19:10.280 and blood comes out or whatever, or it even actually 0:19:10.280 --> 0:19:13.200 makes use of a creepy chicken embryo situation that comes 0:19:13.200 --> 0:19:16.200 out of the fortune cookie in the Chinese restaurant. So 0:19:16.240 --> 0:19:20.200 the implication is that like a bedeviling force is wreaking 0:19:20.240 --> 0:19:23.360 havoc on on on everything you know, and causing things 0:19:23.400 --> 0:19:26.480 to be unnatural and yeah, you know, you know evil 0:19:26.520 --> 0:19:28.520 in some way. Well, what was your take, Annie, the 0:19:28.560 --> 0:19:30.520 first time you saw it? Do you remember if you 0:19:31.560 --> 0:19:33.880 were weighing whether or not she was an actual witch, 0:19:33.920 --> 0:19:36.159 because that's kind of what they're playing out, you know 0:19:36.440 --> 0:19:39.200 through a lot of this movie. I don't. I never 0:19:39.280 --> 0:19:42.840 thought she was a witch. Um, I did think that. 0:19:43.040 --> 0:19:47.960 I never ever suspected Black Philip. I just assumed like 0:19:48.000 --> 0:19:50.280 this witch was waiting for them to kill themselves or 0:19:50.320 --> 0:19:54.440 something like take each other out. Um. But like even 0:19:54.480 --> 0:19:56.560 in the scene where she's threatening Mercy and she's like, 0:19:56.640 --> 0:19:58.240 I am the Witch of the id, be the witch 0:19:58.280 --> 0:20:00.200 of the woods, and I'll eat you in what ever, 0:20:00.560 --> 0:20:02.840 I was just like, you know, this is a frustrated 0:20:03.680 --> 0:20:06.760 young girl who doesn't have much avenue for power or 0:20:06.800 --> 0:20:12.760 agency in any other way, and she's tasting this power. Um. 0:20:12.800 --> 0:20:14.600 And that's what always gives me about horror movies. As 0:20:14.640 --> 0:20:17.920 I get there's this line of being empowered to these 0:20:17.920 --> 0:20:20.959 female characters. But even if you taste that power, if 0:20:20.960 --> 0:20:23.040 you accept that, people are so afraid of you, they're 0:20:23.080 --> 0:20:25.359 so afraid of which is, they'll kill you for it. 0:20:25.840 --> 0:20:29.680 Like then you can't prove that you're not. So why 0:20:29.720 --> 0:20:34.040 not accept it? Why not take the label? But then 0:20:34.080 --> 0:20:36.840 they'll kill you for it either way, I guess. So, 0:20:36.880 --> 0:20:40.080 how how do you think the Witch figured into all 0:20:40.119 --> 0:20:43.520 of this? Because the Which is clearly not the focus. 0:20:43.760 --> 0:20:45.399 It's the devil. I mean, it's sort of like a 0:20:45.440 --> 0:20:48.879 bait and switch, right, So the Which exists on the periphery, 0:20:48.920 --> 0:20:52.320 but isn't necessarily Like how what where's the connection to 0:20:52.800 --> 0:20:56.200 from the Witch to black fill up to the relationship 0:20:56.280 --> 0:21:00.320 with thomasin I think the Witch was there, you know, 0:21:00.440 --> 0:21:03.840 his sort of agents of evil, and she was the 0:21:03.880 --> 0:21:08.679 first step in, uh start like driving this wedge and 0:21:08.720 --> 0:21:11.760 what's going to destroy this family? And also you get 0:21:11.760 --> 0:21:13.720 a baby that's not baptized out of it, which I 0:21:14.359 --> 0:21:19.600 hear satan bonus, But yeah, that that's how you get 0:21:19.600 --> 0:21:22.480 to this, to this impressionable young girl as you drive 0:21:22.520 --> 0:21:25.480 her family apart through just just a just an innocent 0:21:25.520 --> 0:21:29.600 babe stealing, simple direct to the point, right, yeah, get 0:21:29.640 --> 0:21:35.080 through the scariest game of peekaboo in movie history. I mean, 0:21:35.560 --> 0:21:39.320 as a filmmaker, there's there's something so effective about these little, 0:21:39.359 --> 0:21:42.480 simple shots. Whether it's that baby is gone and that 0:21:42.560 --> 0:21:44.760 look on her face you see it on her face first, 0:21:45.600 --> 0:21:49.359 or a very slow camera push into the forest with 0:21:49.440 --> 0:21:54.159 that droning score, or the ability to make a fucking 0:21:54.280 --> 0:21:58.840 rabbit look scary just just looking at your face. You 0:21:58.880 --> 0:22:01.000 know that rabbit looks scary. I've never been so upset 0:22:01.040 --> 0:22:04.320 by a rabbit in my life. I mean, I get 0:22:04.359 --> 0:22:08.080 the goat because those sideways, sideways pupils, that's what does it. 0:22:08.119 --> 0:22:10.600 That's what it really gets people. And then that first 0:22:10.600 --> 0:22:13.679 shot of Philip is so great when it uh someone's 0:22:13.680 --> 0:22:15.719 got a steadicam and he's just like kind of bucking 0:22:15.720 --> 0:22:18.480 and jumping around through the yard, like right away that 0:22:18.600 --> 0:22:20.960 he that's just like, this goat is not right, everybody, 0:22:24.680 --> 0:22:30.120 this is a bad goat. Um yeah, yeah, yeah. And 0:22:30.119 --> 0:22:33.159 and the I was thinking as I was just rewatching it, 0:22:33.240 --> 0:22:36.320 about about that camera movement and about that score, because 0:22:36.640 --> 0:22:39.800 because the score is so barren um, it's really only 0:22:39.800 --> 0:22:42.400 in these big dramatic moments that it comes in so 0:22:42.600 --> 0:22:45.600 huge um. But but the rest of the time, it's 0:22:45.640 --> 0:22:49.480 just silence. It's just watching these actors chew their lines 0:22:49.520 --> 0:22:52.159 in the best possible way. And the camera movement is 0:22:52.240 --> 0:22:53.720 is sort of similar, like like a lot of the 0:22:53.760 --> 0:22:57.240 time the camera is very still, just just really letting 0:22:57.960 --> 0:23:02.359 these scenes play out, um intill Yeah, like until I 0:23:02.400 --> 0:23:05.120 don't know, like like almost like um, you know, using 0:23:05.160 --> 0:23:08.800 the movement to to to to show what's going on 0:23:08.840 --> 0:23:12.400 in someone's head, almost as though he's a filmmaker. Strange, unusual. 0:23:12.680 --> 0:23:15.760