Speaker 1: Yo, what's up? You're off in God's Country with your boys.
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Speaker 1: take a weekly drive to the intersection of country music
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Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: Dave Barnes brought us some coffee. Kids are riot. His
Speaker 1: dude is on it.
Speaker 2: He said so many funny little slot he stays.
Speaker 1: In that world. Man, I love that world. He's so witty,
Speaker 1: he's so on top of it.
Speaker 2: Heads up, don't come to this podcast for hunting and fishing,
Speaker 2: because there right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but if if you, if you listen to this
Speaker 1: podcast because of the songwriting aspect of the music aspect,
Speaker 1: there's plenty of that on there. And and he's a Mississippian,
Speaker 1: huge Beatles fan, and even like usually when I hear
Speaker 1: like I'm a Beatles fan, I'm like, wow, whatever.
Speaker 3: The dude.
Speaker 4: Literally like gave us their biographies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I asked for it. I mean, it's not
Speaker 1: like he just offered it up. I just you know,
Speaker 1: but I'm saying it was good. It was like it
Speaker 1: was like it was the most compelling Beatles argument I've
Speaker 1: ever heard, you know what. It reminded me of.
Speaker 2: It reminded me of when Luke explained watches to us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like it was so it was.
Speaker 2: Something I was so foreign to too, and I thought
Speaker 2: was so stupid and had no relevance unless you're like
Speaker 2: some rich guy and and and the Beatles being it
Speaker 2: has no relevance unless you're some sort of builds smoking,
Speaker 2: mushroom eating.
Speaker 4: Peels back the layers of just what what you see is.
Speaker 1: It gave some great perspective on them being young songwriters,
Speaker 1: which was kind of genre makers, kind of pop makers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: pretty nuts.
Speaker 2: Anyway, that was very insightful and good in there.
Speaker 1: It's great dad advice. He's got a podcast called Dadville,
Speaker 1: him and John mcgloughlin and uh, where they just they
Speaker 1: just chop it up about about fatherhood and get you know,
Speaker 1: pros on to to give us, to give them tips
Speaker 1: and lessons and man, it's such great stuff. We did
Speaker 1: a little segment. Uh Funky too, He's a funky funky.
Speaker 1: We talked, We talk a whole lot. We talk a
Speaker 1: whole lot. But but I hope you enjoy it. I
Speaker 1: hope you stick through it. Does a cool grave at
Speaker 1: little three part at the end. Yeah, yeah, I hope
Speaker 1: you enjoy it. What does it smell like? Does it
Speaker 1: smell Yeah? Yeah, Microwave says it's time to uh to
Speaker 1: get the roast out. That was perfect time. And Ray,
Speaker 1: he's so good at this. Ray is so pro This
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Speaker 2: We've you know what, I actually went through some reviews
Speaker 2: and the reason we're not being able to say a
Speaker 2: bunch of bad ones, it's because they're really.
Speaker 1: Nice ones on there. That's nice.
Speaker 2: People are being really nice and they're like, man, we
Speaker 2: really love this podcast. That's awesome. Appreciate you pretty good, man.
Speaker 2: I appreciate y'all.
Speaker 1: Did you see where stone Cold Steve Austin started following us?
Speaker 1: He started following us? Yeah, right, I mean he liked
Speaker 1: one of our posts. I thought, I think he started
Speaker 1: following us. Oh, we need to get this stone Cold song. Dad,
Speaker 1: come on the pod. Ray hollaris stone Cold? All right?
Speaker 2: Dan quote Faster than He Looks.
Speaker 1: This is the title of this Faster than He Looks.
Speaker 2: Just found out's podcast. Have been listening out of order,
Speaker 2: but I'm currently on the Rileigh Green episode. Being a
Speaker 2: fellow forty one year old and also being familiar with
Speaker 2: old man injuries, injuries that just happened out of nowhere,
Speaker 2: like you're sleeping in a bed that's too.
Speaker 1: Small for you.
Speaker 2: I'm envisioning top tall Dan lining up for a race
Speaker 2: and pulling up at the thirty yard mark with a
Speaker 2: hammy orn Achilles. Don't do it, Dan, in the spirit
Speaker 2: of the roast from a younger brother to an older brother,
Speaker 2: keep rocking that baritone harmony. Love of you boys been
Speaker 2: five and two. Just some nice some good old nicey
Speaker 2: not mean guys anymore. You know, appreciate that. Keep on
Speaker 2: roasting us. Keep what we did. The We're gonna do
Speaker 2: the lyric thing. There was there was one there that
Speaker 2: was a song lyric too.
Speaker 1: I'd have to go.
Speaker 3: We'll do it.
Speaker 1: We'll get it for next time time, but we'll get
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Speaker 1: speed y'all even say we have a super do you
Speaker 1: know what? You don't even know what speed means.
Speaker 4: I was an extra only ben rolling. I was an extra.
Speaker 4: My first job in Nashville is an extra on a
Speaker 4: movie set. And so don't you tell me about speed.
Speaker 4: I know all about what what movie was.
Speaker 1: Let's actually that you.
Speaker 4: Didn't want to everybody wants to know. It was just
Speaker 4: so curious about me. It was The Last Castle James
Speaker 4: Gandolphini and Robert Redford.
Speaker 1: Didn't you like that movie? Wait? For real? For real?
Speaker 4: See y'all y'all thought you knew how Old Dog you cast?
Speaker 1: Yes, they shot it here? What yeah, bro, that's like
Speaker 1: Mount Rushmore of movies for me.
Speaker 4: I thought, you are you serious, dude? It's it's amazing,
Speaker 4: amazing they.
Speaker 2: So this is the reason the peditiary.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I remember that.
Speaker 4: So it's the same place that they shot the green
Speaker 4: mile of some of the seat added Ashton City?
Speaker 1: Is it Ashlin City? It's got the old Uh your
Speaker 1: point the wrong way? This is blowing my mom.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 4: I didn't like you because you cancel them. That's the
Speaker 4: first time.
Speaker 1: But now.
Speaker 5: Listen.
Speaker 4: We texted and she told me everything y'all like, and
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna slowly but surely.
Speaker 1: Make my We ran out of coffee this morning.
Speaker 4: Literally, no I So I graduated MSU and literally two
Speaker 4: months later in town ran and do you know Brandon
Speaker 4: Heath Christian music Arts. He and I went to school
Speaker 4: together with Luke Laird and Jess Lexander, all these people.
Speaker 1: We just we just had Lucal blu Raiders me too.
Speaker 5: You would knew it.
Speaker 1: I could feel rim programmed.
Speaker 3: Dog.
Speaker 1: What do you know about that light? What do you
Speaker 1: know about that? What you what you know about that?
Speaker 5: I know what.
Speaker 4: We both realized like we kind of over committed. But
Speaker 4: I ran to Brandon and I was like, you know,
Speaker 4: what are you doing? Because he's singer songwriter but obviously
Speaker 4: need of us had our thing going yet, and he
Speaker 4: was like, dude, I'm extra on this movie.
Speaker 1: You should do it.
Speaker 4: And I was like, like, is it hard to get in?
Speaker 4: He's like no, no, it's it's like a prison movie, which
Speaker 4: I should have been like, should ask more questions like
Speaker 4: people clothed, But part of the I still probably would
Speaker 4: have done it. Honestly, I needed money. I was young
Speaker 4: and needed the money. But uh, there, but you know
Speaker 4: you sent in like you just send in a picture
Speaker 4: yourself and then they were like basically yes, like if
Speaker 4: you're a human with a face and most of your appendages,
Speaker 4: like we can use you. So I did it for
Speaker 4: two months and two months. Yeah, and for how long
Speaker 4: are you in the movie? Literally point two seconds? Like
Speaker 4: you have to pause it and then do a super
Speaker 4: zoom in and you can see me as a guard
Speaker 4: on the top of the for literally point two seconds.
Speaker 4: And then they shoot that guy with the rubber bullet.
Speaker 1: That's tough, shoot his head, right, did you shoot it?
Speaker 1: Did you shoot the rubber bullet?
Speaker 5: In my heart, I did, but not literally.
Speaker 1: That's great. Yeah, that's amazing. I didn't know that how
Speaker 1: much you get paid for that?
Speaker 5: It actually?
Speaker 4: Man for for like it was like decent money. Really, yeah,
Speaker 4: decent money back then, I want to say it was
Speaker 4: like yeah, it was like it's like one hundredy bucks
Speaker 4: a day.
Speaker 5: That sure.
Speaker 4: And the thing is being a guy that's is at
Speaker 4: the which one, being a guy that's been uh pro,
Speaker 4: that's been in the movie industry, like I have you
Speaker 4: literally get there, they would pick they do buses, so
Speaker 4: you'd park at the park. It's one of those parking
Speaker 4: lots around the penitentiary, and they'd come and get you
Speaker 4: and take you up and you would they had a gym.
Speaker 4: There's a gym on like on site like for like
Speaker 4: the prisons gym and it's still like time was like usable,
Speaker 4: and so they it would just be like guys would
Speaker 4: be just on like sleeping mats. People would bring sleeping
Speaker 4: bags and they would just like because you'd work, you know,
Speaker 4: thirty minutes a day collectively, and so you know, ninety
Speaker 4: percent of your time was just like sitting in there
Speaker 4: doing crossword puzzles, hanging with guys. Cause it's kind of
Speaker 4: like it's sort of pre phones, Like you know, like
Speaker 4: you had phones, you could text, but you couldn't like
Speaker 4: kill time on. So guys would just like go to
Speaker 4: guys slept like.
Speaker 1: I just remember.
Speaker 4: That was like the biggest thing is dudes would just
Speaker 4: like cash out for wow, six hours a day and
Speaker 4: then they get mad when you got called to work.
Speaker 4: It's like, yeah, you know, it's crazy because you know,
Speaker 4: like Gandalf, any of those guys, uh Ruffalo, you know,
Speaker 4: like they were all just like right there, you know, wow.
Speaker 4: And that's before Mark's thing popped off too, so he
Speaker 4: was kind of he was pretty cool, like you kind
Speaker 4: of chill and talk to people.
Speaker 1: That's wow, man, I have no idea you were in
Speaker 1: the movie.
Speaker 4: I'm a big what I'm trying to stablage I'm a
Speaker 4: bigger deal than y'all think I am.
Speaker 1: Oh, we'll see, I'm a guy. I'm a guy first
Speaker 1: impressions and I've always done that one. A lot of
Speaker 1: game from the first time I'm met. A lot of
Speaker 1: game left to play, dB, A lot of games.
Speaker 5: Say, a lot of game. I was like, thanks to play.
Speaker 2: Introduce before we get recommended.
Speaker 1: First of all, this is a dad and a brother,
Speaker 1: Pastor Phil Lougan Bottoman, the man that's responsible for seventy
Speaker 1: percent of first dance songs in the United States Grammy
Speaker 1: nominated Singer Songwriter Out in God's Country. This week we
Speaker 1: got Dave bomb relaughing just getting better. Yeah, quick quick
Speaker 1: story to follow that one up.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: I had just moved to Nashville, zero money, same lived
Speaker 1: on a house boat, moving furniture with Dan.
Speaker 5: Moved.
Speaker 1: Sam Hodges the just shout out if they're still around, yeah,
Speaker 1: shout out, go get them. Sorry about the picture frame.
Speaker 1: So I yeah, dude, prett a friend. I ran a
Speaker 1: bus into a you ran the truck and I ran
Speaker 1: a moving truck into a nursing home over here, and
Speaker 1: like the like was like.
Speaker 2: I never got to drive it again. I guarantee you
Speaker 2: that costs more than you worked the entire.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah did they paid. They paid more for
Speaker 1: that truck than they ever gave me.
Speaker 4: Well, and the following years of insurance went still up,
Speaker 4: still up.
Speaker 5: Isabels.
Speaker 1: I transferred from U T to M T s U
Speaker 1: just to get to get out. I filled physics twice.
Speaker 1: Uh at ut was never going to make it to
Speaker 1: med school, so it was like twice. That was the one.
Speaker 1: That was the one. I was like, yeah, I'm out,
Speaker 1: I'm out. So this girl from Noxville calls me and
Speaker 1: she's like, hey, I met Clayton Anderson at a show
Speaker 1: at Tin Roof and he told me about this like
Speaker 1: talent agency that's doing this these music videos. And she
Speaker 1: was like, and I like, she gave me, He gave
Speaker 1: me this contact. So I called the guy. He was like,
Speaker 1: so they invited me to come try out for the
Speaker 1: Rascal Flats Natasha Bedingfield easy music video.
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, and she's a big no.
Speaker 6: Going Oh yes.
Speaker 1: Yes, so they shout the skirml horn.
Speaker 4: So anyway, they shot the skirml horn.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So they called she So she was like, I
Speaker 1: don't know anything, but I don't know where it's at.
Speaker 1: I've got the address. She's like, if I come down there,
Speaker 1: will you take me to the interview or whatever. I
Speaker 1: was like sure, So we go in. She comes to town,
Speaker 1: pick her up, take her to this house on second
Speaker 1: down there she walks in. I'm sitting in the car
Speaker 1: like waiting on her.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: I was just gonna let her do the thing and
Speaker 1: then come out and go get lunch whatever. My stomach
Speaker 1: starts like like oh man. I was like, dang, dude,
Speaker 1: I gotta use the bathroom. So I was like, I guess, man,
Speaker 1: they probably got a bathroom there. So I roll in.
Speaker 1: There's like a table and people are waiting, and I
Speaker 1: was like, hey, I was like, can I Is there
Speaker 1: a bathroom back there? She was like yeah, I'm just
Speaker 1: around this table back there, and I could see like
Speaker 1: walking back to use the bathroom. I could see people
Speaker 1: interviewing and doing like cameras and stuff. And then I was like,
Speaker 1: that's kind of cool, So go in there.
Speaker 5: Start.
Speaker 1: You know, used to sit down and use the bathroom.
Speaker 1: I was watching that show that sat down to pee
Speaker 1: on Yeah on MTV. I did that. Sometimes. I'm a
Speaker 1: comfortable guy. More about comfort. I also got.
Speaker 4: Kids, so I try to stretch out you know what,
Speaker 4: don't explain it.
Speaker 1: So I was watching Buried Life where they're like where
Speaker 1: they're like doing these crazy things trying to get into
Speaker 1: these like like take it and take life, you know.
Speaker 1: And so I'm back there and I'm like, hey, man,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of behind enemy lines. I wonder if I
Speaker 1: could squeeze myself into this video. So I get done
Speaker 1: use the bathroom slip out. I'm like, hey, I forgot
Speaker 1: my all my stuff. Can I get a paper to
Speaker 1: like fill out? And I'm like here, sure, here. So
Speaker 1: I was like I literally made up dancing like like
Speaker 1: outfits that I had worked for things I had been
Speaker 1: in completely light on this thing, handed it in. They
Speaker 1: called me back. I tried out freaking got the part
Speaker 1: and the.
Speaker 4: So I'm in the music video like it's a principal
Speaker 4: with sorry. That means I don't want to lose you.
Speaker 4: It means like a featured player. No, no, I was
Speaker 4: an extra, for sure, I was no.
Speaker 1: Gary Lavaux and Natasha were eating steak while I was
Speaker 1: eating Chick fil A in the parking lot. But if
Speaker 1: you go watch that video, yeah I'm in there. I'm
Speaker 1: a photographer. One time you are this morning, I'm saying
Speaker 1: about girl.
Speaker 5: They were, they knew they were Like that guy looks
Speaker 5: like a photographer.
Speaker 1: Ain't no, ain't no doubt.
Speaker 2: We need to puss on of those pictures up and
Speaker 2: post them. Of reading that.
Speaker 4: Well then I did so when God gave me you
Speaker 4: came out, I was on a soap opera and acted
Speaker 4: like I still get like, uh uh checks which one?
Speaker 1: Uh uh really that's a big one.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right. What's the other one?
Speaker 4: Is the clock? The Golden the Golden Girls? Is that girls?
Speaker 4: Golden Guys? Actually, I can't talk much about it. It
Speaker 4: shot a couple of positive.
Speaker 1: I don't want to know nothing about you getting paid
Speaker 1: for Golden Guy.
Speaker 5: That was well, I paid for it times.
Speaker 4: But but like I had a line and everything, and
Speaker 4: that was a big yeah, because once you so once
Speaker 4: you again, guys, it's just faceted diamonds are.
Speaker 2: There are multiple shows you were in.
Speaker 4: Uh you know those those those those are at the
Speaker 4: top of listening and the only one.
Speaker 1: That came to the last Castle, Days of our Lives
Speaker 1: and Golden.
Speaker 4: Guys, And it's that's a list not many people can
Speaker 4: can say they've done.
Speaker 5: That's where I really hold the corner of that market. Uh.
Speaker 1: But like I had a speaking part.
Speaker 4: And so when you do that, you know you're like principle,
Speaker 4: you're yeah, well it's like you you suddenly you're I
Speaker 4: think you. I think if you have a speaking line,
Speaker 4: you automatically get added to like the union or whatever.
Speaker 5: Uh aftra. And so I still get checks from I mean, they're.
Speaker 2: Like, how much I was your last check?
Speaker 1: Fifteen dollars?
Speaker 4: I'll take it seven dollars.
Speaker 1: That's a grilled bullet, chiefilly.
Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you for that. But it is it's
Speaker 4: like without a coffee. Yeah, but I had one line,
Speaker 4: and you've never seen a more nervous human being.
Speaker 1: What was your line?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I was like ladies in general because I introduced it
Speaker 4: because they had just gotten done and I was so
Speaker 4: in in their world, in that fantasy world.
Speaker 5: I was their favorite artist. And so they came God
Speaker 5: got so excited.
Speaker 4: But they came out and I played God gave me
Speaker 4: you and so but I had I said, like ladies
Speaker 4: and gentlemen, uh, introducing the couple in their names, and
Speaker 4: that was it.
Speaker 1: Look at you, children.
Speaker 4: She's got the rhythm.
Speaker 1: What's he's got the rhythm? And don't know it. You
Speaker 1: play that song for us right now? She got the r.
Speaker 4: Write that today I one a third. I'm telling you
Speaker 4: right now, well real nice. Don't take that from me.
Speaker 4: I mean that sounds Who would have cut that like that?
Speaker 4: Sounds like a tray sad? In his first album, Whaling
Speaker 4: would have written that it had been it had been
Speaker 4: funky too waiting put some steak on that thing.
Speaker 1: Oh good thing many Uh.
Speaker 4: I feel like I've already deterredst B goes Dave.
Speaker 1: Last time, Dave canceled on us, like literally five minutes
Speaker 1: before the podcast. Yeah, after the morning. This morning he
Speaker 1: brought us some coffee as a as a sorry.
Speaker 5: That was my peace offering. I so bad.
Speaker 4: I got a call from my manager I think at
Speaker 4: like eight fifty and he was like, hey, are you
Speaker 4: headed that podcast? As I was moaning, my.
Speaker 2: You still have the voicemail it would be Really.
Speaker 4: It's a man on the verge of tears, is what
Speaker 4: it is. That's what it was, a desperate voicemail. I
Speaker 4: felt so bad.
Speaker 1: And it's fine. It really was fine.
Speaker 2: I can't this was that. That was the we put
Speaker 2: the deer horns up into the thing.
Speaker 4: It was it was expected. Let's get into what you're
Speaker 4: mad at.
Speaker 1: What you're mad at? Just tell us what it is.
Speaker 1: What you're mad at? Is it your in lost kids, might.
Speaker 4: Be a boss man or your neighbor's cat.
Speaker 1: Just tell us what you mad Oh wow, you know
Speaker 1: we got roasted. We got roasted.
Speaker 2: Our last roast was a guy tell me that I
Speaker 2: needed to tighten up my notes.
Speaker 1: No, I thought that was really great.
Speaker 2: I went, I went in run then hoping, George, this.
Speaker 5: Slide up really got me through the.
Speaker 1: Oak.
Speaker 2: Excuse me, pedal, I'm Southern Baptist, too bad.
Speaker 1: That's true, that's true, that's fair. What you're mad at?
Speaker 2: De oh man, I'll tell you what I'm mad at.
Speaker 2: I'm still can feel actually being a little annoyed about
Speaker 2: it right now in my heart of hearts.
Speaker 1: On your face with the chocolate, oh yeah, chalked up
Speaker 1: sun screen on. So I go to the doctor because
Speaker 1: I once a year I get an annoyingly random, poisonous breakout.
Speaker 1: This is my time. Do you think it's like the
Speaker 1: big wheaty like do you think that's why? I think
Speaker 1: it's the first big one?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it's like the big whaedy like the first one.
Speaker 1: And yeah, blowing everywhere.
Speaker 2: Well, this was specifically a tree that had POISONOU call over.
Speaker 1: Well, but I thought I thought you covered up.
Speaker 4: It's like a long lost friend. You haven't seen it forever.
Speaker 3: Ed.
Speaker 1: That's my action.
Speaker 2: Got start.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna come back in today. We've got eight so
Speaker 4: I've been in a movie. I don't for the side.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 1: It's funny though. We this guy brings us a bag
Speaker 1: of coffee and we give it a thousand dollars a codes.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Things were when things were even well, not yet we hadn't.
Speaker 1: We forgot it was coming back.
Speaker 2: Well if you get them all right, So I got
Speaker 2: This is what I'm mad at.
Speaker 1: Everyone has shut up for five seconds, especially you don't
Speaker 1: so much shut off on my own podcast. I told
Speaker 1: her to shut up on his own podcast, one of
Speaker 1: our casts on him three times.
Speaker 5: That is that's a marker. A marker was.
Speaker 1: Beautiful. It was a one. It was beautiful.
Speaker 5: I won't do that to you. I want to talk
Speaker 5: as much today.
Speaker 1: Today you should.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 2: So I go to get shot and she's like, I'm
Speaker 2: calling you in a prescription to hear crowger. I was like, cool,
Speaker 2: can't get today, I'll pick it up in the morning
Speaker 2: before I go to work.
Speaker 5: But you went in to get a shot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it'll it'll grow. That's the concoction you get
Speaker 1: poison ivy, steroid shot, steroids, star pack three days, it's
Speaker 1: over look. Get you.
Speaker 2: I mean if you we've had it every year, literally
Speaker 2: spend a lot of time.
Speaker 4: Y'all saying both of those things in concert together just
Speaker 4: made my morning. The fact that it was y'all have
Speaker 4: done it so much, you both said it. But can
Speaker 4: I ask, like, is that is that from like either hunting? Yeah, okay,
Speaker 4: it's usually Turkey Turkey seasons.
Speaker 5: Because everything's growing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or it's like late summer deer management. Yeah, putting
Speaker 1: upstands though, the same thing with deer management. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: got allowed to learn, buddy.
Speaker 2: Look get that, don't expose it. Don't say that on
Speaker 2: the s They're gonna eat you alive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 5: Your manage all the time. Right, I'm actually heading out
Speaker 5: to management.
Speaker 2: Yes, all right, all right, I'm not doing it, So
Speaker 2: I go get the shot. She calls me a medicine.
Speaker 2: I'm like cool, I'll burn down to Kroger get that.
Speaker 2: Jo'll be in the line at eight o'clock. Right, go
Speaker 2: get my.
Speaker 1: Grilled bowl Chick fil a three hundred and sixty calories,
Speaker 1: fifteen gros protein. Bought back to seventeen dollars. Yeah, a
Speaker 1: week's worth of uh movie extra pay.
Speaker 2: I burned back to uh Kroger and I'm in the
Speaker 2: line seven to fifty nine. Baby sitting there waiting on
Speaker 2: eight o'clock. Click, eight o'clock clicks, doesn't roll up the
Speaker 2: window eight a one gall bols in and scrubs.
Speaker 1: I'm like, sign says eight o'clock. You're pulling in eight
Speaker 1: o one eight two three, especially if you're like four
Speaker 1: medicine eight o five.
Speaker 2: I tapped on the window. You know what she's gonna do?
Speaker 2: Look around, curtain, put it back. I drove off. Did
Speaker 2: you ask her out? That's kind of moment you and it?
Speaker 4: Oh married up? Dog listen, I mean still, it could
Speaker 4: be worth it.
Speaker 2: I wanted to. I wanted to fight her. I wanted
Speaker 2: to go in there and fight her. Yeah, I can't say.
Speaker 4: That here, kids fight verbally fight her. Sure that you
Speaker 4: should have a section of the podcast called can't say question.
Speaker 4: That's not a bad idea, not a bad idea.
Speaker 2: So anyway, I'm mad at that I'm mad at having
Speaker 2: poison ivy and I'm also mad at not starting my.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because at eight o'clock.
Speaker 5: Can I ask you?
Speaker 4: Can we have a grown up a conversation. Wow, that
Speaker 4: was close, kid friendly. It's fine, okay, we have a
Speaker 4: turkey gob It'll go. Deeroids like they rock my world.
Speaker 4: Little country girl like, I have to get quarter zone
Speaker 4: because every now and then on the road or whatever,
Speaker 4: you know, like my voice will just be shot, either
Speaker 4: from allergies or something. And years ago, I think it
Speaker 4: was Charles Kelly was like, oh, go get these shots
Speaker 4: and I was like, wait, what is that? And He's like,
Speaker 4: you just go ask for these corzone shots. And obviously
Speaker 4: y'all knows who well, but dude, it won. It's the
Speaker 4: most painful shot, like a Cordi COURTI zone. It's a steroid,
Speaker 4: but it is. It's like they stick a dagger in
Speaker 4: the medicine and shivvy. I mean it, it hurts. I
Speaker 4: went and got one in a minute clinic. If you
Speaker 4: had driven by, you just see me in the parking
Speaker 4: lot doing this.
Speaker 1: Like stretched it out. I was gonna make it get
Speaker 1: you better get the blood work, Yeah, get in the
Speaker 1: blood float up it's like a soft ball sitting.
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4: And so but but then I don't know if this
Speaker 4: particular to me when I get Steward shots. But like
Speaker 4: I am red faced and I'm talking like red for
Speaker 4: probably like five days.
Speaker 1: Five days that didn't happen to you all. I think
Speaker 1: might be a thing going on.
Speaker 4: Well, a guy gives it, he hasn't God gives it
Speaker 4: me in a basement that's tried to make something else
Speaker 4: than the minute. Okay, it's the same guy that did
Speaker 4: gold Gold. Nice guy, a little handsy, but really gentle.
Speaker 1: I did pull my pants down to get the shot
Speaker 1: and he was like, not hip brother, sorry about that.
Speaker 4: And turn around. Turn around we do in the back
Speaker 4: and off the front. And then he winks at you,
Speaker 4: and you're like, wait, I'll go.
Speaker 1: Cope, will hire these limits? Oh man, I'm mad. Let
Speaker 1: me go, you go, No, you go, we go? You
Speaker 1: gotay where to be today?
Speaker 4: I've got I got a mutating session with Blake and
Speaker 4: even Prince so he died.
Speaker 2: Okay, because I want to go for hours already.
Speaker 1: I'm mad at people that get in a hurry, particularly
Speaker 1: in cars in the country, like where like me this morning,
Speaker 1: Like where I live like, if I'm taking the trash
Speaker 1: off little back road, I'm not going to go a
Speaker 1: million miles an hour because I got the trash on
Speaker 1: the trailer. I'll get that. And they're honking and trying,
Speaker 1: they're like doing the thing where they're coming around, but
Speaker 1: they see your trailer.
Speaker 4: Of course, why do you Uh, I'm curious about this.
Speaker 4: You have you have trash in the trailer, and that's
Speaker 4: how you've miss them.
Speaker 5: Do you are you taking?
Speaker 1: Uh? Do you not have? He don't. He really doesn't know.
Speaker 4: Well, no, because I got leaper. I got my spot
Speaker 4: in Leapers. So I'm curious because this is our problem.
Speaker 1: So I could pay. I could pay. They have somebody
Speaker 1: come pay, But I'm a real man.
Speaker 5: Know we don't either. We don't pay either.
Speaker 1: Good till do you if you're not living out there? Though, yeah,
Speaker 1: I would probably pay. Okay, don't, let's don't.
Speaker 4: I don't living out judge the energy that I'm getting
Speaker 4: from here right now.
Speaker 1: But that's what that's why I was the first thing
Speaker 1: he told me was that he had a place some
Speaker 1: Leapers right when he got here. But also, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I have bought a place. I've been in a movie
Speaker 1: live there.
Speaker 2: It must have been kind of it must have just happened.
Speaker 5: We're closing on it today.
Speaker 4: But that's what we if. I was asking because we
Speaker 4: had that choice early on, Like you know, I was like, Man,
Speaker 4: we aren't out here that much.
Speaker 1: For the record, if you did do that, it's thirty
Speaker 1: bucks a month out there. Oh it's not very much.
Speaker 1: I didn't know.
Speaker 2: And you can kind of schedule it, but you can't
Speaker 2: do it with like the city.
Speaker 1: You have to call it. Yeah, you have to call
Speaker 1: a guy. Yeah, and I go, I know that guy.
Speaker 1: It's like a thing now for my Like Jordan takes
Speaker 1: my youngest, my three year old girl to gymnastics on
Speaker 1: Tuesday mornings, I take Oak, my two year old boy,
Speaker 1: and we just throw him in the truck and take it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we roll to the trash and take our time.
Speaker 2: And I think I've said this before on the show,
Speaker 2: but recalled me and he's like, hey, dude, do I
Speaker 2: don't pay the thirty dollars to get my sorry it
Speaker 2: was taped to take my guess make meet my trash.
Speaker 1: I was like, no, you don't trust me.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Sometimes that's the most peaceful fifteen to forty five minutes.
Speaker 1: You can that's wisdom in a couple.
Speaker 4: Well, and it's true, but to your point, that would
Speaker 4: ruin the drive because like this is like me and
Speaker 4: my son and we're just happy at the windows.
Speaker 1: Down your son when you take your son to the trash.
Speaker 1: I've noticed this. I have a I have a daughter
Speaker 1: and two sons.
Speaker 2: But when I take my son to the trash, I
Speaker 2: can still chill and my daughter's in the truck. Yeah
Speaker 2: there is there is no chill. Yeah you mean you
Speaker 2: can still chill. What do you I can like turn
Speaker 2: on some Alan Jackson. He bobs and there's not a
Speaker 2: lot of questions. But with my daughter, it's uh, very
Speaker 2: quil quote.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Girls, isn't a lot of questions my wife, it's it's
Speaker 4: one of the funniest parts of our marriage because like
Speaker 4: when I'm with my sons, especially my oldest, because like
Speaker 4: he's rising eighth grader.
Speaker 5: Annie will come back from being in the car with
Speaker 5: him and she'll be.
Speaker 4: Like, just like, man, you know he was talking about
Speaker 4: this and this is what's going on school and you
Speaker 4: had a friend that and then you know, soccer today
Speaker 4: was really great, and today she was like did Ben
Speaker 4: tell you that he got an a wardors State at
Speaker 4: soccer camp? I was like no, She's like, oh yeah
Speaker 4: and this, and and then I'll be like all right,
Speaker 4: and we'll get in the car and I'm like, and
Speaker 4: you know, I'm like like, y'all like I'm a creative,
Speaker 4: I'm pretty you know, like I like talking. I'm not
Speaker 4: like a normal like just kind of but even and
Speaker 4: I'll be like, so, uh, he's like, oh yeah, I
Speaker 4: got that thing. I'm like, oh cool, that's it. Did
Speaker 4: what did you get it for? And he's like, oh,
Speaker 4: you know, I got it because this thing it's like
Speaker 4: and then we're both like cool and we just tried.
Speaker 4: And I'm like and she'd be like, hey, you talk man.
Speaker 4: I'm like, i mean like yes, sort of, but i
Speaker 4: mean we talked. She's like what did you take? And
Speaker 4: I'm like, now, I didn't tell me. I'm like and
Speaker 4: I'm like, how do you do that? She's like, oh,
Speaker 4: I gorillam. She's like, I'm it's like an inquisition question question. Yes,
Speaker 4: it's like bad, you know, but I'm like it is
Speaker 4: funny with boys because it's just like just like.
Speaker 2: We just yeah, and mine's three and he already.
Speaker 1: Is like, yeah, he's cool. He's like that turned up
Speaker 1: like he is he is.
Speaker 2: He really likes uh the Hardy song right now. The
Speaker 2: it's called rock Star and either there's a I can't
Speaker 2: remember start and he goes and then and Hardy goes
Speaker 2: and it goes love and he goes and it what
Speaker 2: was fuck? He has no idea. He's not a great singer, though,
Speaker 2: I feel bad.
Speaker 1: Lies.
Speaker 2: It's like a little angel merde singer. Yeah, my guy
Speaker 2: and got it, okay, it could kick in. He's gonna
Speaker 2: have the looks he is like three is hot. I
Speaker 2: can tell blonde hair, blue eye, what yeah, looks nothing
Speaker 2: like me?
Speaker 1: Real check?
Speaker 2: Every Amazon guy comes in, Are you mad anything?
Speaker 4: So it's funny all should ask. We've gotten into the
Speaker 4: season of sidewalk chalk.
Speaker 2: Yep, stop giving it to my kids, aunts and uncles.
Speaker 4: I hate that's because it tracks that stuff in my house.
Speaker 4: Because they, for some reason of all the sidewalk in
Speaker 4: front of our house, we're you know, we're down, We're
Speaker 4: like right by Belmont. You got plenty of sides, concrete everywhere,
Speaker 4: sidewalk everywhere everywhere. They want to do it right in
Speaker 4: front of my house, right in front of the front door,
Speaker 4: and so it's just it looks like a crime scene.
Speaker 4: It's just steps all the way.
Speaker 1: Get it. And then I'm out there and my kids.
Speaker 4: I don't know if it's anger towards me that they
Speaker 4: take out on the sidewal truck. But they don't just draw.
Speaker 4: It's like with the force of thor they and they
Speaker 4: will just it'll be this sidewalk charge and I'm like, gods,
Speaker 4: it's a smiley face and I'm like out there, like,
Speaker 4: you know, Annie's like, you got a chill a pressure washer?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, well I'll tell you your hose guy.
Speaker 5: Well I was in high school.
Speaker 4: Oh hose right, sorry, the the you can go you
Speaker 4: can go to home depot and get this thing. It's
Speaker 4: my favorite thing I bought this year. That's like a
Speaker 4: it's like pressure washer light and you just stick it
Speaker 4: on your hose and it's like so it's not you know,
Speaker 4: it's not a pressure washer, but it's great. It's like
Speaker 4: I'd buy I might buy numerous in them just to
Speaker 4: have them in kistures.
Speaker 1: How much like it.
Speaker 5: But it's great for sidewalk because.
Speaker 4: It but Annie, it is one of her She laughs
Speaker 4: so hard, like She'll see the kids start drawing and
Speaker 4: she'll just look at me and start laughing. And I'm like,
Speaker 4: I start twitching and itching and like like.
Speaker 1: I got.
Speaker 4: Grip pressures too hard, so mad. It's like they'll start
Speaker 4: doing it and he's like, don't stop them. I'm like,
Speaker 4: just y're done, Like now we're gonna do them like.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: Then they draw like, you know, the Adam and Eve
Speaker 4: and the Garden of Eden, turning into the biblical narrative
Speaker 4: down the sidewalk.
Speaker 5: Can't that's absolutely what they learned.
Speaker 1: Demons and kill bad cocoon there. It's like star with
Speaker 1: the circle. It's like a goat's head.
Speaker 5: They're like, been listening to Metallica.
Speaker 4: Oh, let's just get into it a little bit.
Speaker 1: Where did you grow up?
Speaker 7: Where?
Speaker 1: In Mississippi's zip where? I know?
Speaker 4: I know that you can feel it in here?
Speaker 5: Are you?
Speaker 4: Miss You're south of Jackson, guy, though I can tell north.
Speaker 1: Of Jackson where?
Speaker 5: Yes? So we grew up in Kasi Esco.
Speaker 1: Don't Yeah, we gotta. Dad grew up in Corinth. Mom
Speaker 1: grew up in Ripley Bro. We're all current karnth Karn.
Speaker 1: Where'd y'all go up?
Speaker 2: West Tennessee, but we spent We're like right on the
Speaker 2: line of Mississippi, so we were always down in there.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Pickwick and I went. I went to a
Speaker 2: community college in Northeast, Northeast Community College, and then I
Speaker 2: went to Missippi State. So we my band was down
Speaker 2: there and we toured and did all that stuff.
Speaker 4: Oh dude, that was like, yeah, I was there. So
Speaker 4: I was born in South Carolina. My dad was a
Speaker 4: pastor and uh and I clearly pastor because people think
Speaker 4: I say something else.
Speaker 1: But uh he uh.
Speaker 4: So his first gig was in listen this is people
Speaker 4: there in the biz. That's what we call it in
Speaker 4: the in the preaching business. They don't call it that
Speaker 4: the church biz. But he was like a young adult
Speaker 4: pastor right out of seminary in Columbia, South Caroline. That's
Speaker 4: where I was born by two siblings were born.
Speaker 1: I'm the oldest three.
Speaker 4: And then we moved to Cause when I was six,
Speaker 4: So I was there from six to sixteen. Then he
Speaker 4: got another gig wink At Andox. It was it was like,
Speaker 4: I mean, I think he got paid like dear met
Speaker 4: and prayers in Mississippi and use BB's. But we went
Speaker 4: to We moved to Knoxville when I was in high school.
Speaker 4: So I moved there in my upcoming junior year. And
Speaker 4: that's like where you know. I mean, Kasi Esco was
Speaker 4: eight thousand people when we lived there. My high school
Speaker 4: was twenty five hundred. So it was I mean like
Speaker 4: the move was just crazy amount of change, which I loved.
Speaker 5: I was.
Speaker 4: I was like when we moved, I was. I mean,
Speaker 4: I had really good friends, but I was. I was like,
Speaker 4: I was, I was just getting into music, and I
Speaker 4: was kind of like, I'm ready to get out there
Speaker 4: and kind of see some things.
Speaker 5: And so we moved there and then went to MTSG
Speaker 5: from there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fun. It's been fun for me digging into
Speaker 2: your recent music because I'm gonna be honest with you,
Speaker 2: I have three kids now and I'm full time and
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: Listen to anything anymore.
Speaker 2: Oh of course, so it's been fun to kind of
Speaker 2: to get into it. But I actually this morning, as
Speaker 2: I was just dabbling and going through your stuff, it
Speaker 2: was fun. Your voice has changed from the early yeah,
Speaker 2: early DV to I had a girlfriend in college and
Speaker 2: she loved day Barnes so much. Man, every girl and
Speaker 2: you were more of like a me see what's the
Speaker 2: acronym for this?
Speaker 5: I'm really excited.
Speaker 2: It was like seabap okay, yeah, Christian backsliding boyfriend acoustic paup.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, I lovely not a sea pap.
Speaker 1: For these days.
Speaker 2: Christian ye backsliding, Yeah, boyfriend acoustic paup. Play grace, somebody's
Speaker 2: hands improve it?
Speaker 5: Do it?
Speaker 8: Wait?
Speaker 1: Wait, I want to prove it. It's'll prove it. But
Speaker 1: how do you qualify that? Well, because it's like you're
Speaker 1: a Christian boyfriend, Yeah, what's the like, what's the backsliding part?
Speaker 1: But you might have you might go to ricks every now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he might smoke a little bit, a little bit
Speaker 4: a whole.
Speaker 1: He may be like, Hey, I'll sleep on the couch
Speaker 1: at your hot place, at your place because it's already
Speaker 1: one thirty. Yeah, I'm so tired, dude.
Speaker 2: That is my trailer is six minutes away.
Speaker 1: That's like unbelievably on the nose.
Speaker 2: But you know what, I'm just chilling here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but we can watch thee whatever.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no blankets. I gotta run to be issued.
Speaker 5: Yeah, worship in the morning, so what's up?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 1: But it okay, I mean this is not the right king.
Speaker 5: Uh, you need to sing it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, can we see it with you? Is amazing? Okay,
Speaker 1: it's kind of nice thing at this left.
Speaker 4: No cocks up the feather.
Speaker 1: Bit if a feather bed lit a little never st.
Speaker 4: Bad working.
Speaker 1: I like this.
Speaker 9: Mississippi always thought that love was fine, always thought to be.
Speaker 8: So that w was send me down and angel baby.
Speaker 7: Dude, it was great.
Speaker 1: It's like it feels good.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 1: It doesn't tell me if you.
Speaker 2: Were in college and some dude slightly older than you
Speaker 2: was putting.
Speaker 1: Out that some sea bat. Yeah yeah, that you would
Speaker 1: be like, my girlfriend loves this guy more than me.
Speaker 1: He didn't even know this guy. Yeah, you played it.
Speaker 1: You played at state somewhere. It was like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't remember where. It was Christmas thing.
Speaker 5: Or something, but I think you or something like that.
Speaker 1: Fourteen Christmas shows a year, man.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're like the Christmas guy there for a while.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, sister Christmas. Yeah yeah, we do.
Speaker 4: We do a show here every year in Nashville at
Speaker 4: the Sherman Warren. Just one, uh yeah, just one and
Speaker 4: then usually another show knock. I've toured a little bit,
Speaker 4: but it's just like that's partly my ride.
Speaker 1: She's a little she's a.
Speaker 4: Little really but but yeah, no, I love doing that.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I think it was it was it was
Speaker 4: you know, Wesley, the wesley Ers.
Speaker 5: It was like one of those she was.
Speaker 1: Like, we gotta go see Dave Barnes and one dude
Speaker 1: I had, I was, but I rocked your stuff. Thank you.
Speaker 4: Good voice has changed, oh my gosh so much well
Speaker 4: that you know, I was just gonna say quickly that
Speaker 4: that was something so I worked with when I moved
Speaker 4: to Nashville.
Speaker 5: Did the movie and.
Speaker 2: Don't say did then the movie two seconds?
Speaker 4: And uh, I mean you, I mean barely that and
Speaker 4: uh shot the guy? Yeah, and then that, you know,
Speaker 4: that was really where it all began. But met ed Cash.
Speaker 4: I don't know if y'all know ed, but ed Uh
Speaker 4: at the time was producing a lot of like the
Speaker 4: really really really cool like acoustic Christian stuff that was
Speaker 4: honestly not far from that. It was like Caman's call
Speaker 4: Bibo Norman. Yeah, uh that stuff at the time, I
Speaker 4: just I could not get enough of. So when he
Speaker 4: moved to Nashville, Bibo was a friend of mine from
Speaker 4: Young Life Camp randomly, and so Bibo's like you need
Speaker 4: to meet Ed, like he's moving to Nashville, and so
Speaker 4: we connected and got on so well. But I was
Speaker 4: I was like obsessed with that world. So I was like,
Speaker 4: I want to I was just starting to write my
Speaker 4: own song and stuff. Someway started working for Ed because
Speaker 4: he called me and he was basically like, hey, I
Speaker 4: just need somebody to like run Errand's help in the studio,
Speaker 4: just kind of like anything I need. So I worked
Speaker 4: for him for six months and in that time, at
Speaker 4: the end of it, he's like, look, my kind of
Speaker 4: gift to you for doing is we'll do EP And
Speaker 4: that was an EB called Three than Four that I did,
Speaker 4: and I remember like singing and he was like, man,
Speaker 4: we need to work on your singing now because short
Speaker 4: it was like the Michael McDonald thing. And so every
Speaker 4: time we do a take and he'd be like open
Speaker 4: your mouth, open your mouth, and so over that record,
Speaker 4: I think Chasing Mississippi, which is my second record, is
Speaker 4: probably the end of that. But I mean Ed in
Speaker 4: the studio would grill me and there was so much
Speaker 4: vocal production because I was so insecure because the thing
Speaker 4: that's crazy about my artistry was like I pretty much
Speaker 4: started singing live when I started singing, so like I
Speaker 4: was writing songs and MTSG for fun and whatever, but
Speaker 4: my best friend would sing him because he had a
Speaker 4: great voice. So he'd come over and be like, hey,
Speaker 4: I wrote the song, and we'd sing it and friends
Speaker 4: be around, but it'd be like whatever, you know. But
Speaker 4: I wrote one song and he was like, you sound
Speaker 4: really cool singing that, and I was like, good on
Speaker 4: him for not keeping you out amazing. Yeah, yeah he
Speaker 4: could have. Could he could have because it was a
Speaker 4: ton of money he could have made, and uh, but
Speaker 4: he was just like, man, you should really you sound
Speaker 4: really good singing it. And that was kind of the
Speaker 4: beginning of my artistry because I was just writing because
Speaker 4: I was like obsessed with Skip Youing and some of
Speaker 4: those guys at the time, because I'd just gotten hip
Speaker 4: to Brian White and some of that stuff. That to
Speaker 4: me was like Sons of the Desert, which I was
Speaker 4: obsessed with those guys, but I just started to dip
Speaker 4: my toe in the country that country to career, like
Speaker 4: the more poppy like Rascal Flats record Nesist, I mean,
Speaker 4: good lord, that guy. But that to me was interesting
Speaker 4: because I was like, oh, these are these are not
Speaker 4: because I'd grown up. I mean, Kaziska, the only radio
Speaker 4: station we had was a country station, and it's crazy.
Speaker 4: I laughed so much because my mom and dad still
Speaker 4: just don't don't care for country at all, but because
Speaker 4: it was just always on, I know so many nineties
Speaker 4: country songs just from being in the car with a
Speaker 4: friend or because that was the only radio station we
Speaker 4: had that was native to kasi Esko. So when I
Speaker 4: started hearing that music at MTSU, I was like, what
Speaker 4: hold on, what is this country stuff?
Speaker 5: Because I love this stuff.
Speaker 4: And then I started to realize, like, oh, there are
Speaker 4: guys and girls who write these songs that don't sing them.
Speaker 4: Because the time I didn't sing I was I went
Speaker 4: to school to drum I was, I was studying drum
Speaker 4: set and so I was like, well, hold on, can
Speaker 4: you like write song if you don't sing?
Speaker 5: And it was like I could.
Speaker 4: But so when my buddy said, hey, you should sing it,
Speaker 4: it was like all of a sudden stuff kind of
Speaker 4: with technicolor, because I was like, well, hold on, well,
Speaker 4: if I'm going to sing these, I want to write
Speaker 4: different songs for me to sing, cause these were like
Speaker 4: just little sweet love songs and like anybody could sing them,
Speaker 4: so I didn't sing, so literally, like for whatever, my
Speaker 4: dumb this is the very Barnes trait.
Speaker 5: I was like, well, I guess you're gonna do it.
Speaker 5: Let's do it.
Speaker 4: And so literally like booked to show three months after
Speaker 4: that because I was like, well, let's go.
Speaker 1: The only way to do it, so it's only one
Speaker 1: to do. So I was terrified.
Speaker 4: So I just didn't know how to sing, and so
Speaker 4: Ed had to do so much work on In fact,
Speaker 4: one of the funniest things that ever happened is when
Speaker 4: I signed A Razor and Tie to New York.
Speaker 5: We recut until You one of my.
Speaker 4: Songs yea, and so they were like, that'll be your
Speaker 4: first single on that on our first label record. And
Speaker 4: so when we went in to cut it again, we
Speaker 4: kept all the tracks done a great but I was like, hey,
Speaker 4: let me re sing it. And he was like, I mean,
Speaker 4: I think the vocal sounds great that we got you know,
Speaker 4: five years ago, but sure, and we both laughed so hard.
Speaker 4: It was one of my favorite moments in the studio
Speaker 4: with him ever, because I re sang it. I've been
Speaker 4: singing it for five years that point and he literally
Speaker 4: was like, can I can I play this for you?
Speaker 4: And it was verbatim the same vocal take as the
Speaker 4: already and what he was showing me was, isn't it
Speaker 4: great to see how much you've matured vocally?
Speaker 5: Because now I don't have to coach you to sing
Speaker 5: that way?
Speaker 4: You just do a matchup, because I mean, we would
Speaker 4: do vocal take after because I just it was so
Speaker 4: much Rogers Cornel like that.
Speaker 2: I could tell that was I wouldn't. I didn't exactly
Speaker 2: know how to describe it, but your o's were more rules.
Speaker 5: Well, it was just I just didn't open my mouth.
Speaker 4: I was so insecure about singing, like, I can't tell
Speaker 4: you how terrified that's wild?
Speaker 1: How long did that take to wear off? Like? Did
Speaker 1: it take a bunch of shows?
Speaker 4: Bro? I mean, honestly, you know, I've been playing, so
Speaker 4: I started playing professionally like full time in two thousand
Speaker 4: and two. I'm not lying to ten years before I
Speaker 4: really really really felt like, oh I'm good. I'm like,
Speaker 4: I'm not going to out sing somebody, but I feel
Speaker 4: comfortable with my ability. But you know some of that
Speaker 4: and I know y'all know this world too, especially like
Speaker 4: being in a bandoned tour and doing your artistry stuff.
Speaker 4: You know, you moved to Nashville. I'd only been singing
Speaker 4: about a year and I start meeting other guys at
Speaker 4: the time who were like they you know, like I
Speaker 4: meet them. We I'm like, oh, let's go hang and
Speaker 4: we go you know, our place whatever grad guitarist and
Speaker 4: they start singing and I was.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, yeah, oh, I mean imposter syndrome.
Speaker 4: I met Chris and Morgan two years in a living
Speaker 4: in Nashville and we were hanging at one of the
Speaker 4: music grow offices just you know, oh gotcha, And I
Speaker 4: mean it was like a buddy and and it was
Speaker 4: literally in a room like this. It was like Josh
Speaker 4: Hoagan called and said, hey, we're just hanging at this
Speaker 4: Junia company. It was great and I don't even know,
Speaker 4: I think Chris had maybe not even gotten cuts yet.
Speaker 4: And it's a freaking guitar pool with just some homies,
Speaker 4: just a random guys. And I played grace is feeling
Speaker 4: pretty good about myself. I'm like that's I was like,
Speaker 4: deal with that. And they start singing and I was like, oh,
Speaker 4: what have I done? But it's like, you know, you
Speaker 4: just like you Nashville is the big leagues.
Speaker 5: It is the big leagues.
Speaker 4: And I think for me it was like, all right,
Speaker 4: I think I can get there, but but I can't.
Speaker 5: I can't.
Speaker 4: I mean two of my best friends at the time
Speaker 4: had gotten signed by David Foster to be a vocal group,
Speaker 4: and they were two of my best friends and they
Speaker 4: both sang like Jeff Buckley and they're twins and they're
Speaker 4: incredible looking guys, and it was like that was my crew,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, you know, it was just like, oh,
Speaker 4: this is this is we a.
Speaker 2: I mean, don't sell yourself short though, man, I mean,
Speaker 2: you had some hot stuff. It speaks for itself.
Speaker 4: I think I will say it's God's grace to me,
Speaker 4: and it's always been the truth and everything. But I
Speaker 4: think in this iteration of my life was I think
Speaker 4: by God's unbelievable kindness. I had some songs, and I
Speaker 4: think for me that kind of got me, that sort
Speaker 4: of kept it going because I think if I hadn't
Speaker 4: had songs, that had been a tough roado, because I
Speaker 4: think I'd have been like, you know, but I think
Speaker 4: enough people were like, he'll get there. The other stuff
Speaker 4: is good. The rest will catch up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel that, but I understand exactly what you're saying.
Speaker 2: But I think I think sometimes we have especially like creatives. Right,
Speaker 2: we're in this we're in this organism where people are
Speaker 2: coming and they're going. They all sing and they all
Speaker 2: play guitar, and we round out in our heads what
Speaker 2: quality sound is and we don't think we make the.
Speaker 1: Cut to that.
Speaker 2: But what we lose is the is the ability to
Speaker 2: understand how certain voices can connect. Yes, and they don't
Speaker 2: have to be the greatest voice in the world.
Speaker 5: And I would I would.
Speaker 2: I think National rate Sorry to cut you off, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think great National is a great example of that.
Speaker 2: And I'm not going to name name because I don't
Speaker 2: want name people that can't sing, but we all know
Speaker 2: there's people I there that can't sing that have had
Speaker 2: thirty year careers. You are not that by no means.
Speaker 2: But what you do have in your voice and your
Speaker 2: tone that maybe other quote unquotes better sexuality stop is conviction.
Speaker 1: Shoot conviction Okay, yeah, same thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, I was gonna says, no, that's kind of
Speaker 4: compliment I think for me.
Speaker 5: And again y'all know this, well, two things.
Speaker 4: One, it was a real interesting thing for me about
Speaker 4: ten years being into town working with artists who could sing.
Speaker 5: When you get in the.
Speaker 4: Room with them to write, and it was like I
Speaker 4: would get emotional on how good these people are. Oh yeah,
Speaker 4: but they would have the hardest time in their record
Speaker 4: deals because they could sing so well. And that was
Speaker 4: such a fascinating thing for me to learn, is like
Speaker 4: you can actually sing so well that it paralyzes people
Speaker 4: around you, because if you can do anything, how do
Speaker 4: you do one thing? And I saw so many artists
Speaker 4: get in these hamster wheels at these majors because literally
Speaker 4: they were so good at singing that the staff there
Speaker 4: would be like, uh, okay, okay, let's do like a
Speaker 4: pop country thing, and they'd cut at the time five
Speaker 4: sides and.
Speaker 1: They'd be amazing.
Speaker 4: But then they'll be I don't know, let's let's try
Speaker 4: like a bluegrass thing, and and and and then literally
Speaker 4: three years in their deal they were like they all
Speaker 4: put out a song and then and you're like, that's actually,
Speaker 4: in a weird way, the uh the casualty of an
Speaker 4: incredible voice. I think the other thing too, is and
Speaker 4: this is this is a little bit of minutia, but
Speaker 4: stay with me, I think a good voice. Yeah, I
Speaker 4: think the it's it's Mt. S U education that you
Speaker 4: can't hide, and I'm not gonna apologize for that. With
Speaker 4: the big words, the I think, I think the thing
Speaker 4: that gets tricky with good voices. And I really believe this,
Speaker 4: if you get up and start singing and you have
Speaker 4: that kind of like a transcendent voice of Chris Stapleton
Speaker 4: to read Franklin, you know, Timberlake, these kind of like
Speaker 4: Brian White, I think big word alert at the most
Speaker 4: asmodic level. As an audience member, you suddenly go, oh oh,
Speaker 4: I need to expect different things tonight. And then if
Speaker 4: they underliver, underdeliver song wise, you actually leave madat wasn't
Speaker 4: that great? You go, wasn't that great? Because something in
Speaker 4: our brains goes, oh oh, oh okay. And that's why
Speaker 4: Bonnie Ray, Aretha Franklin, these people early on there, well
Speaker 4: it took Bonnie a while, but they go, you know,
Speaker 4: Michael Bolton laugh all, you won't They go, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't need to kill her.
Speaker 5: I don't need to sing my songs.
Speaker 4: I need to sing good songs because what I'm gonna
Speaker 4: get in trouble for is trying to sing my songs
Speaker 4: and people are like, your songs are not as good
Speaker 4: as you're singing is, and that's going to kill your career.
Speaker 4: And so I think that's the other thing that I
Speaker 4: noticed too that was a real grace to me. And
Speaker 4: with my voice, was was going, Man, my smashes my songs,
Speaker 4: and that's the greatest thing I got. And so instead
Speaker 4: of well, instead of being the guy that's like, man,
Speaker 4: he can undersing these great songs, or he can sing
Speaker 4: the phone book, but man, the songs just aren't there,
Speaker 4: I was like, man, I love where I'm at because
Speaker 4: I also think that I mean, I would argue ninety
Speaker 4: percent of the way a song is communicated is how
Speaker 4: it impacts you know, Like if you have a voice
Speaker 4: that carries this song enough to make the song work,
Speaker 4: that's all you want, man, you know. And I think
Speaker 4: that's I've thought about this a lot with Paul McCartney,
Speaker 4: who was in a band called the Beatles, great band
Speaker 4: from Liverpool, but they you know, Paul, to me, has
Speaker 4: probably the most digestible voice in the history of popular music.
Speaker 4: Not the best voice, not not the most tambour rich warm,
Speaker 4: it's just it's just water you can just drink it
Speaker 4: and drink it and never get tired. And so to
Speaker 4: me they were geniuses and their songs were otherworldly. But
Speaker 4: I think people sleep on his singing. I think if
Speaker 4: Joe Cocker right at the same time I'd been had
Speaker 4: had the songwriting talent of Paul McCartney, I do not
Speaker 4: think the Beatles would have been the Beatles because I
Speaker 4: think it would have been too much. And so I
Speaker 4: think what Paul's voice was and John's was like this too,
Speaker 4: But I would argue to a leisure degree because it
Speaker 4: was more of a thing. It just carried songs so well.
Speaker 4: It never got in the way of songs, but it
Speaker 4: was good enough that you wanted to listen to it,
Speaker 4: you know. And so I think there's something about to
Speaker 4: your point about voices. It's really interesting to me because
Speaker 4: I think we can get, especially Nashal, and get a
Speaker 4: little too obsessed with vocal stuff where it's like, man,
Speaker 4: songs are always the thing. We don't have a music
Speaker 4: industry without songs, and I think you really want to
Speaker 4: be careful of having I almost get more nervous for
Speaker 4: artists that can sing now because I'm like, you might
Speaker 4: not realize that the road ahead of you and how
Speaker 4: hard it's going to be because you can actually sing
Speaker 4: so well, and so you're gonna really need to be
Speaker 4: careful to have songs that match, if not are better
Speaker 4: than your voice.
Speaker 5: And that's really hard to find.
Speaker 4: You know, songs that you can go like R S, B,
Speaker 4: C T or you know, uh, nick of Time or whatever.
Speaker 4: You know you really need Now now your work is
Speaker 4: finding the songs that match your talent, which is going
Speaker 4: to be, you know, a tricky road.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: It felt like back in the day too, when when
Speaker 1: you were when you were coming up, and what stuck
Speaker 1: out to me in that too is when you said, like,
Speaker 1: you're those songs fit fit you so well. Yeah. It
Speaker 1: was the same thing with like John McLaughlin. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: and Mark Bissarde and Ben and talking about the voice.
Speaker 4: We just saw dude, he's a killday, he's a killing
Speaker 4: He's an assassin man.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: That that writing with Mark in that season we were
Speaker 4: writing so much. That was the first time I've been
Speaker 4: in I'd written with someone that could sing like that.
Speaker 4: And I was like, this is cocaine Mississippi, Louisiana.
Speaker 2: He's got When when you talk about like as a
Speaker 2: memorable tone and his control like when you have when
Speaker 2: you can and to me, I think that's what Morgan
Speaker 2: wallandst so well. I think that's what Luke Combs does
Speaker 2: so well. Is they have this tambourl of roughness, but
Speaker 2: the control.
Speaker 4: Is that's off the chart, that's the thing.
Speaker 2: And so you can maneuver in and out of these
Speaker 2: notes right in the center of them and tap into
Speaker 2: if for some reason that gives big Harry chalked up
Speaker 2: guys like me.
Speaker 5: Y I tea what was really interesting too and talk
Speaker 5: about it, and.
Speaker 1: Mark is definitely one of the first examples of that.
Speaker 4: I think this was a really interesting struggle for me
Speaker 4: early on though, is Mark and I got to be
Speaker 4: really close, played a ton of shows, wrote a bunch
Speaker 4: of songs together. He would cover Grace's Amazing Hands live,
Speaker 4: and you talk about a really bizarre feeling because when
Speaker 4: that goes.
Speaker 2: Back to what you're saying, though, it's it's he couldn't
Speaker 2: have sang a whole record like that, though.
Speaker 4: I don't know, I just know he would sing that
Speaker 4: song and I was like, well, that sounds pretty good.
Speaker 1: Well, that's what you always meant to sound like.
Speaker 4: Well, honestly, and it was funny because and you know what,
Speaker 4: you'all remember message boards back in the day, Like how
Speaker 4: big of a deal those things were. Sure, I remember
Speaker 4: it was the only time ever that I got it
Speaker 4: kind of like a beef with a guy once because
Speaker 4: you know that that and for people listening to, well,
Speaker 4: it was funny because it's basically like, you know, it's
Speaker 4: like Venison more than his beef, honestly, but yeah, real
Speaker 4: clean and really like like you know, some boots but
Speaker 4: the you know, you just kind of like I feel
Speaker 4: like all of us knew at that time, like you
Speaker 4: got to be careful with those things because you know,
Speaker 4: the people that were all those were like fans, and
Speaker 4: I remember Mayor had a Monster message board, Jason marads
Speaker 4: time had a Monster message board. Me and Worts kind
Speaker 4: of had him, and it was bubbling up a little bit.
Speaker 4: Mark had a pretty healthy one.
Speaker 5: And remember so.
Speaker 1: Much that would like you had the titles and.
Speaker 4: Thread that's that's exactly right. It's kind of the beginning
Speaker 4: of that whole thing. And so it'd be like, you know,
Speaker 4: saw Dave in Knoxville. Who else was there? And it'd
Speaker 4: be like b B. But but you know, it gets tricky.
Speaker 4: It's actually the fourth one down to be like, yeah,
Speaker 4: it wasn't it wasn't as good as last time, and
Speaker 4: it's an artist. It was like, you know, obviously just
Speaker 4: drawn to that like a fly. But I remember a guy.
Speaker 4: I don't even know how how it came to me
Speaker 4: or because I did. I wouldn't like look around for
Speaker 4: this stuff, but I think somebody sent me thinking about
Speaker 4: Grace's market played it and I was like, I alt's
Speaker 4: see what people say. And the guy was like, bro,
Speaker 4: this is by far the best version of the song,
Speaker 4: like it just smashes the other version.
Speaker 5: And I was like, oh no, no, no.
Speaker 4: So and you know, in my sort of insecurity and indignation,
Speaker 4: I was like, this guy needs to know I saw that.
Speaker 4: So then I log in and I like and I
Speaker 4: played this. It was so woosy. I was like, grow
Speaker 4: up man, because I played this, like, sorry you didn't
Speaker 4: enjoy it as much.
Speaker 1: I'm just out who doing.
Speaker 5: The best I can.
Speaker 4: I was like, bro, come on, but I'll never forget.
Speaker 4: He sent me a message of email and I was like,
Speaker 4: this was so well done by him. He's like, look, man,
Speaker 4: I'm not trying to make you mad. I just really
Speaker 4: like his version better, and I think everybody's gotten a
Speaker 4: right to their opinion.
Speaker 5: And I love the song. I just really like it
Speaker 5: when he sings it.
Speaker 4: And that was a huge moment for me because I
Speaker 4: was like, you know what, I feel that way about
Speaker 4: a lot of songs, and that's okay, you know it
Speaker 4: is I like, I like Joe Cocker's version better than
Speaker 4: a Ringer Stars version, you know of uh the Friends tune.
Speaker 4: So it was I just had to go, okay, we're
Speaker 4: not going to play that game. Mark sings it. I
Speaker 4: love the way that Mark sings it, and that's okay.
Speaker 4: I like singing it too, and people are going to
Speaker 4: have feelings about But it was kind of it was
Speaker 4: like I stuck my toe in that world and was like, okay,
Speaker 4: I have learned, I got a scar from that.
Speaker 5: We're never going to trust them.
Speaker 2: My toe back out and reading another message boards.
Speaker 4: I was going to say too, I think the thing
Speaker 4: about that crew, I was really so fortunate with all
Speaker 4: those guys, with Mark and uh John and words Andy Davison.
Speaker 4: There was one hundred of us back yea Eliot Morris
Speaker 4: Griffin House, I mean, there was there was just a
Speaker 4: cadre of guys doing that. Everybody was doing the same thing,
Speaker 4: and it was so fun because everybody's writing their own
Speaker 4: songs mostly by themselves, and so to be in a
Speaker 4: group of guys and it was like charge, man. I
Speaker 4: will never forget the synergy of that and how fun
Speaker 4: it was. The closest I get to understanding what like
Speaker 4: a McCartney Lennon or or the Eagles or these bands
Speaker 4: that had these kind of songwriting groups that were sort
Speaker 4: of writing but also writing against each other at the
Speaker 4: same time in a band, because you know, words would
Speaker 4: bring a song that he wrote and it would be
Speaker 4: unbelievable and it would I remember the first time he
Speaker 4: played Red Meats Blue for me and I was like,
Speaker 4: good night, you wrote that and he said, yeah, wrote that.
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh my gosh. And so then you're like, well,
Speaker 4: we got to level up, man, that's that's that's that's
Speaker 4: what we're dealing with. It was almost sorry, go ahead, no,
Speaker 4: I just and so to your point about those guys,
Speaker 4: it was such it was like really intimidating.
Speaker 1: It was a movement, but it was awesome.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 2: It was just like, yeah, I'm glad you look back
Speaker 2: on that and enjoy that little thing, because I wouldn't.
Speaker 5: I wouldn't be who I am same without those people.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be the songwriter with that I am without
Speaker 2: y'all's music. Yeah, yeah, it's influential.
Speaker 1: Were y'all ever like, did y'all ever have your time
Speaker 1: where you would venture off to nationale to come get
Speaker 1: a deal, and like like did like where you saw
Speaker 1: about who is the catalyst? Who was the.
Speaker 4: All asking these questions? I thought it was so long
Speaker 4: so that that you know, my how do I answer
Speaker 4: that question? So so basically it was like this. When
Speaker 4: I met Wortz, he he had just done a bunch
Speaker 4: of young life stuff and so he was he was
Speaker 4: my first friend because you know, I met those guys,
Speaker 4: the Jackson brothers who were here that got the David
Speaker 4: Fosterion Peel early on got out of it because he
Speaker 4: was trying to start that boy band, uh, the Christian
Speaker 4: boy band plus one.
Speaker 5: I don't know if you remember those guys, but they.
Speaker 4: Were like and they had some pretty significant success in
Speaker 4: the Christian space.
Speaker 1: But Jesus, so.
Speaker 5: I crossed my heart that had been a good one.
Speaker 3: But to.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, my heart, I hope to die. But girl,
Speaker 1: you're looking oh so fly. I'll meet you one day,
Speaker 1: this guy, but until then, I'll never say.
Speaker 5: Anybody writes his song. I want his all to get credit.
Speaker 4: But you know those guys, it felt like, you know,
Speaker 4: they had they had kind of done the label thing whatever.
Speaker 4: Then I fell in with work. So words was kind
Speaker 4: of my first friend that I met that was like
Speaker 4: doing it. Like he was writing his own songs. He
Speaker 4: had put it. He had a record out at the time.
Speaker 4: Some of those tunes I know were that had I'm
Speaker 4: sorry Mary, remember that tear?
Speaker 1: He had some bangers on that album. I remember that. Uh.
Speaker 4: But he was my first like, oh, you're doing what
Speaker 4: I want to do, like exactly like singer songwriter, writing
Speaker 4: your own tunes, producing the records, tour and making t shirt.
Speaker 4: I mean like he Matt was the first guy knew
Speaker 4: that had done all the stuff I wanted to do.
Speaker 4: But you know, and man, his thing was just it's
Speaker 4: like up into the right everything was you know, he
Speaker 4: had done it. So he would go back to play
Speaker 4: those markets where he had so like he'd go to
Speaker 4: Crooked Creek or you know, Frontier, Windy Gap, these young
Speaker 4: life properties. It's the opposite of touring, you stay and
Speaker 4: kids come through. So you'd spend a month and just
Speaker 4: thousands of kids would come through a month, and then
Speaker 4: you're like, oh, and you are selling truckloads of CDs
Speaker 4: in the gift store and then you go, Okay, hey,
Speaker 4: where are those kids from.
Speaker 5: Well, that's that's my fall.
Speaker 4: I'm just going to go and and you know, because
Speaker 4: it was high school kid, you couldn't play venues. So
Speaker 4: you go to like a church, you go to the
Speaker 4: school a buddy, Yeah, high school, a buddy would would
Speaker 4: rent their neighborhood pool house out and then you just
Speaker 4: charge and you'd sell. And so Matt was doing and
Speaker 4: his thing was just getting so like I remember the
Speaker 4: first time he sold out House of Blues in Chicago.
Speaker 4: I mean like it was like, so Matt, you know,
Speaker 4: green Day's manager called him and they started working together.
Speaker 5: So he was kind of doing that.
Speaker 4: I met a guy named Elliott Morris, and Elliott was
Speaker 4: from Birmingham. He did a big deal with Universal, went
Speaker 4: on tour with Counting Crows, Griffin House. I connected to
Speaker 4: a friend of mine that worked in New York. I
Speaker 4: forget what label she signed Griffin and it was like
Speaker 4: but I was kind of always the kid that never
Speaker 4: got signed. It was like I was the kid that
Speaker 4: never got picked. And so it was really hard for
Speaker 4: me because I was like, all right, you know, I'm
Speaker 4: I'm a little insecure about singing. I don't feel you know,
Speaker 4: I love this world, but it's not a world I
Speaker 4: came up in. I sort of stumbled and I wanted
Speaker 4: to be there, but it was like kind of you know,
Speaker 4: it was like twenty when I decided to do it,
Speaker 4: so it wouldn't like, you know, my whole life, I'd
Speaker 4: been like, that's the thing. And so it was a
Speaker 4: real struggle, like I had some dark knights in the
Speaker 4: soul of like Lord, like what are we doing?
Speaker 1: I just want to be signed.
Speaker 4: And I remember I'd go meet with labels saying signed.
Speaker 1: Back then, that was the that was all.
Speaker 4: What about you know, the guys who were kind of
Speaker 4: my same age but were a class above me for sure,
Speaker 4: where Jason Ras and John May and so I was
Speaker 4: looking at their thing and it was just popping off.
Speaker 4: And so all of us guys were like, that's the thing.
Speaker 4: And so you got to get signed. You got to
Speaker 4: work with Scott Clayton, you got to do you know,
Speaker 4: you got to do the thing.
Speaker 5: Reid Hunter was his lawyer and me.
Speaker 4: We're all like, like, you know, please work with you know,
Speaker 4: and it just but I'd go meet with him and
Speaker 4: it was just I was like, man, we love it.
Speaker 4: It's just doesn't And it was like heart soul crushing
Speaker 4: to me because I was like, I just want but
Speaker 4: in God's unbelievable, unbelievable kindness and sense of humor. I
Speaker 4: started to realize something though, because I talked to my
Speaker 4: friends that would get signed. Bruce ar got signed to
Speaker 4: a huge Universal deal, or Island Deaf Jam. John got
Speaker 4: signed to Island Deaf Jam, And it was like every
Speaker 4: single one of my friends were slowly getting picked off,
Speaker 4: and I was sort of.
Speaker 1: Like, myself is pretty good. I'll take my shirt off.
Speaker 4: And but what was so crazy about it that I
Speaker 4: realized that suited me so much more was I'll never forget.
Speaker 4: Was sitting with one of those friends whose I won't name,
Speaker 4: but he was like, man, I'm so jealous of you,
Speaker 4: and I was like, and he had signed this big deal.
Speaker 4: I was like, why, he said, because I'm in this
Speaker 4: constant songwriting thing where they're sending me off to write
Speaker 4: with the Dan Wilsons and everybody, which is great. You
Speaker 4: put out two records since I've been in my deal
Speaker 4: and I had to put out a single song and
Speaker 4: it was like God in that moment was like, Dave,
Speaker 4: I got you. And it's because I was just going
Speaker 4: I would was making my think and he was like,
Speaker 4: I'm just kind of stuck, man, I'm in a big deal.
Speaker 5: It's great, but like you're you're doing it.
Speaker 2: I think that's such a misconception to to people pursuing, right,
Speaker 2: It's like they think the deal, they think that that's
Speaker 2: the the the the.
Speaker 1: End all be all, when in reality, it's the starting line.
Speaker 1: That's right, it's not the finish. It's your entire life
Speaker 1: to get to this one thing. Yeah, and now you
Speaker 1: have to even work harder to get that off the ground.
Speaker 5: Well, I think too.
Speaker 4: I mean again, y'all know this intimately, but it's like
Speaker 4: you also, your career goes from one guy and maybe
Speaker 4: a manager and maybe a booking agent doing it, and
Speaker 4: you know, it's just a couple of y'all to now
Speaker 4: it is. It is a career by committee, and I
Speaker 4: think people underestimate how and it's not that's not bad.
Speaker 4: It can it can change. It's changed a lot of
Speaker 4: people's lives. But it's a it's really different. It's really different,
Speaker 4: you know you are. Everything's going through numerous channels now
Speaker 4: to get it okay, and do we like that song?
Speaker 4: Let's send it around. You may love it, nobody else
Speaker 4: likes it. You may hate it everybody else loves it.
Speaker 4: That's almost worse because then like, hey, we want that
Speaker 4: to be the single, and you're like, I didn't even
Speaker 4: want to play that for y'all. You know, I love
Speaker 4: this photo shoot. We didn't like any of the pictures.
Speaker 4: I hated all the pictures. They love it. It's like
Speaker 4: everything suddenly is is career by committee, and so I think,
Speaker 4: what can be you know, to your exactly to your points.
Speaker 4: You can get to that point where you're like, that's
Speaker 4: the deal, and then you sign it and you're like, man,
Speaker 4: I'm strung up now, like I'm hamstrung by all these
Speaker 4: things again, which it is the big boys like, but
Speaker 4: you got a ton more money, you got a huge
Speaker 4: engine behind you, all of a sudden in connections for days.
Speaker 1: You got to get a pumping though.
Speaker 4: But it's like, man, it's no longer you and your
Speaker 4: bro's playing some songs. It's like it's it's a lot
Speaker 4: of people who have a lot of opinions.
Speaker 1: So swisch gears real quick.
Speaker 2: What advice would you give to We have a lot
Speaker 2: of prospective songwriters that listen to this in this day
Speaker 2: and age, and it's obviously way different.
Speaker 1: Than when we all came up.
Speaker 2: What would how would you advise somebody to try to
Speaker 2: come to this town and may and break into to
Speaker 2: professional songwriting or artistry.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I'd say sell your body or drugs,
Speaker 4: and if you can do both, you're really gonna that's
Speaker 4: where the specifical clientele is. The label head, the label. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm not last, huge huge, huge benefit. No, you know what,
Speaker 4: I think I've had to learn and I'm learning it
Speaker 4: right now, so I'm not even it's probably not fair
Speaker 4: for me to give it an advice because I have
Speaker 4: to take this advice too. But I think, like it's
Speaker 4: so cheesy, but it's so true. I think, just do
Speaker 4: what you know you can do. You know, I think
Speaker 4: like every writer has got a voice, meaning their songs
Speaker 4: are a thing, you know, and it's all of your
Speaker 4: so much colors that you know, it's your interests in songs.
Speaker 4: It's what you want to say, it's what you don't
Speaker 4: want to say, it's what you know. It's like where
Speaker 4: you're from, it's how you're raised saying it's.
Speaker 1: So obvious when you asked a question, and it's so
Speaker 1: obvious to me. It's so obvious to me what yours is.
Speaker 1: Because I like when people tell me what mine is,
Speaker 1: what they think my songs, what they think my voice is.
Speaker 2: I think your voice is. What I've seen it progress
Speaker 2: into is like wholesome number one, don't take that the
Speaker 2: wrong way. There's there's a lot of wholesomeness in it,
Speaker 2: but there's also this like.
Speaker 1: Dash if you will.
Speaker 2: We're sprinkling in of like real muddy Mississippi su Yeah,
Speaker 2: and there's some funky things that pop in places when
Speaker 2: you when you when you get into the song, you're like,
Speaker 2: if we're taking a ride right, you're taking right, You're like, oh,
Speaker 2: this this road is pretty straight, yeah, pretty, but it's
Speaker 2: extremely smooth. And then all of a sudden, bam, right
Speaker 2: turn kind of hits you out of nowhere. Oh and
Speaker 2: then your back left and then your back smooth again
Speaker 2: and it's straight and you're kind of you go on
Speaker 2: this adventure in in in the in the tunes that
Speaker 2: you write, and it translates across most most everything, even quarterly,
Speaker 2: I've noticed there's like some interesting movements and uh, I
Speaker 2: think that's what your mega strong suit is. And those
Speaker 2: tunes obviously they're written well and they're they're delivered, yeah, perfect.
Speaker 2: But as far as your voice, man, it's the tunes
Speaker 2: are just they're exciting to listen to, even the old ones.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Thanks.
Speaker 4: I don't know, I mean, I wonder if y'all feel
Speaker 4: this way, but I just think like the best you
Speaker 4: can be in a writing.
Speaker 5: Room is who you were made, who who.
Speaker 4: All of your instincts, all of your influences, all the
Speaker 4: things that you really care about, that your point of
Speaker 4: what you're bringing respect you.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: And I think what's harder after you've done this for
Speaker 4: a minute, And I would say even harder after you've
Speaker 4: had a little bit of successes. You want to keep it,
Speaker 4: and it's really easy to start jettisoning off the things
Speaker 4: that make you you because those in certain rooms won't work.
Speaker 1: And you'll feel it and you want to do something
Speaker 1: to work, and you go, yeah, I.
Speaker 5: Want to stay in this range.
Speaker 4: So I'll just kind of so what works, what's on
Speaker 4: the radio, let me say, let me just smooth over
Speaker 4: the things that make me stick out here, as opposed
Speaker 4: to just going you know, all I've got is who
Speaker 4: I am, and that's going to mean some days are
Speaker 4: great and then some. I mean, I think some of
Speaker 4: the most genius songwriters in this town, I've been in
Speaker 4: rooms where they it was awkwardly bad what they brought.
Speaker 4: That's only because that is what happens when you're when
Speaker 4: you are something. I'm gonna have days where I come
Speaker 4: in and I'm like, I love this idea and people
Speaker 4: are like, we do not. That is okay, That's that's
Speaker 4: the other half of someone's skill set. It's just like
Speaker 4: there's just gonna be days where it's like, I do
Speaker 4: not like that idea, Dave, and I'm like, okay, I
Speaker 4: just swing and miss some days, as opposed to tamping
Speaker 4: down the things so much that it's the most digestible,
Speaker 4: safe version of yourself. Sure, and that's what you're taking
Speaker 4: around town, and it's just such a disservice to everything.
Speaker 4: And I think, honestly, I mean, at the risk of
Speaker 4: some and whatever, I think it just takes a tremendous
Speaker 4: faith in the Lord just to go God, I trust
Speaker 4: you made me to be a certain way, and if
Speaker 4: I really believe that, then I can live into that.
Speaker 4: And that means some days I'm gonna swing in this
Speaker 4: and then some days it's going to be magic. But
Speaker 4: but that is who I am. And for me to
Speaker 4: not be who I am, I'm gonna get myself in
Speaker 4: trouble because if it's sort of like if you think
Speaker 4: about a map, whatever, if God and I are trying
Speaker 4: to get to hear and I'm here, uh you know which,
Speaker 4: but success starts to happen and you start going, well.
Speaker 1: That's my north star.
Speaker 4: But man, success is kind of my friends are. And
Speaker 4: then you start, oh, I'm gonna go this way, and
Speaker 4: God's like.
Speaker 1: Who what are we going?
Speaker 4: You're like, well, I just man, I'd like to check
Speaker 4: and I see what they're doing, see what they're buying,
Speaker 4: and you're just getting farther from where, and I think
Speaker 4: it just it's like sometimes this is a lonely place
Speaker 4: and that's okay, you know, like it's just it's baked
Speaker 4: into being a human and being a creative is there's
Speaker 4: just days where you're like, man, I just didn't go
Speaker 4: I was just wrong. I was off on that day.
Speaker 4: That was whatever. But it just means the days that
Speaker 4: work really well because I think one of the hardest.
Speaker 4: It's funny. I think if we're not careful as writers,
Speaker 4: we can go like, man, I want to be like
Speaker 4: the Swiss army knife. I want to be the guy
Speaker 4: that can do anything. And I'm like, I don't know
Speaker 4: if I know a guy like that or a girl.
Speaker 4: I mean, I know people that can do it better
Speaker 4: than others. But I think if we're all honest, we
Speaker 4: think of writers in certain ways, we just go like,
Speaker 4: he's this, he nobody better than that. She that's her thing,
Speaker 4: Natalie him Bey, maybe the asterisk. I think Natalie can
Speaker 4: do anything. She's sort of she's just another thing to goly,
Speaker 4: she's what she is. But I think other than Natalie,
Speaker 4: I'm kind of like most of us kind of have
Speaker 4: things we do that are pretty particular, and I think
Speaker 4: there is a terror in realizing that because you go like, oh,
Speaker 4: I know the end of me, and it's like right there,
Speaker 4: but you missed, like and there's other people in town
Speaker 4: that do that. Oh I know, and you're like, oh
Speaker 4: my gosh. But it's discounting what God is doing, which
Speaker 4: is like, brother, you're going to be so happy if
Speaker 4: you will, if you will let go of those things,
Speaker 4: be who you are. Trust me, it's because then the
Speaker 4: way you go is the way you can. That's the
Speaker 4: thing I have to tell people all the time.
Speaker 1: Young writers. I'm like, let me tell you.
Speaker 4: The worst thing that ever happened to you is you
Speaker 4: is you get known for something you're not good at,
Speaker 4: because then you got.
Speaker 5: To keep being good at something you aren't good at.
Speaker 2: At least, yeah, at least you feel like you do.
Speaker 2: You got to keep it well. You work harder on
Speaker 2: the facade than you do.
Speaker 5: And it's so your craft and terrifying.
Speaker 2: I see that all the time, especially with artists that
Speaker 2: get up there and they dress it all up with
Speaker 2: some I'm sorry to say this, but like choreographed dance.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, hey, bro, that works once. Bro, Like,
Speaker 1: you got to keep it going. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: You've got to keep it going, and and and and
Speaker 2: and it's it's a career built on Like I feel
Speaker 2: like a career builds on who you are and what
Speaker 2: you're inspired by. Is so much easier to stay in
Speaker 2: connection with than this one little gimmicky thing that you
Speaker 2: came up with. And not to say that anything either
Speaker 2: way is right or wrong. It's fine if you want
Speaker 2: to do the gimmick thing, but you better have a
Speaker 2: strong bit, you know, yeah, because I mean, especially if
Speaker 2: you want a long career, yeah, or find your way,
Speaker 2: find a way to reinvent yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, and then that's the other thing is I think
Speaker 4: those people sometimes can pull that off because they kind
Speaker 4: of go, Okay, that was my little thing. Now I
Speaker 4: got another thing, and I'm like, man, props if you
Speaker 4: pull that off, that's awesome. I had a thought the
Speaker 4: other day that was really funny. Everybody I meet in
Speaker 4: Nashville I work with is the is the guy in
Speaker 4: the town there from Everybody talks about like, you know,
Speaker 4: you know those guys you know from here, well one
Speaker 4: more than the other. Well I'm not gonna say, but
Speaker 4: but you know what I mean, Like, everybody that I
Speaker 4: work with in this town is the guy that a
Speaker 4: girl that moved from where they moved from. That everybody
Speaker 4: there is like, oh I know them, well, yeah, they
Speaker 4: are the they're the export. And I think, like when
Speaker 4: I think about that, it's actually really fun and exciting
Speaker 4: because it's like, man, to get to be in an
Speaker 4: All Star game. Every day that I write with people
Speaker 4: is so awesome.
Speaker 1: And like to that point too, it's like, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: we're not competing with each other, but we kind of are,
Speaker 1: and it's kind of a game and it's kind of
Speaker 1: not but it's kind of fun and it's kind of
Speaker 1: not you.
Speaker 4: And I think it's necessary to really do. I think again,
Speaker 4: it's a sport, like the competitive You look and you go, God,
Speaker 4: he's been working on hitting. I didn't work on hitting.
Speaker 4: I need to work on hitting. I mean, it's like
Speaker 4: I think it makes the best art. I mean again,
Speaker 4: that's why I just listened to the book on the Beatles.
Speaker 4: Wich is why they're so top of mind. But I mean,
Speaker 4: that's what made those two guys so good is they
Speaker 4: they had each other to compete with. And I think,
Speaker 4: you know, I think it really informs and helps. That's
Speaker 4: why I love those people succeeding. It's because it raises
Speaker 4: the bar, you know, for every single those people get
Speaker 4: and have do well or y'all or whoever. It's like, Okay,
Speaker 4: this is where we got to keep going.
Speaker 5: Guys.
Speaker 4: It's like it's just it's everything is this good. This
Speaker 4: is the level, you know, and so it's good, but
Speaker 4: it's just really hard. And I think in my in
Speaker 4: my insecurity, if I'm not careful, I can really spiral
Speaker 4: on feeling like and I just you know all that say.
Speaker 4: I just wish sometimes is town do a little bit
Speaker 4: of job of just being braver, of going like, hey man, don't.
Speaker 1: Try to be everybody else.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like the reason we signed you is because you
Speaker 4: do this thing so well, Like let's do that.
Speaker 5: Really well, you know. And that may mean you know,
Speaker 5: I'm never.
Speaker 4: Gonna that I'll make the town the best, yeah, but
Speaker 4: but also it means intrinsically, which you have to deal with.
Speaker 4: It's like, this is the work we got to do.
Speaker 4: Is like I'm never going to have that many hits.
Speaker 1: Well, you're not gonna win.
Speaker 5: You're not gonna win that.
Speaker 4: But and that and that is okay, but mean more,
Speaker 4: they can they mean different things.
Speaker 2: I mean, because if your your path is not the
Speaker 2: same path as someone else, that's right, but it still
Speaker 2: has value, it still has worth, and you can stuff
Speaker 2: a great lot.
Speaker 4: You are well and that's and that's the thing that's
Speaker 4: you said that so well that's that. Those are those
Speaker 4: moments of clarity where I feel like the Holy Spirit,
Speaker 4: you know, God will just be like okay, Dave, like, so,
Speaker 4: what what do we miss him? But what do you
Speaker 4: what do you need? And I'm like, well, I just
Speaker 4: need me.
Speaker 5: People think I'm great.
Speaker 1: And he's like, I.
Speaker 4: Feel like people like you. And I'm like, well then
Speaker 4: I need, like Lord, I need like, uh some stuff.
Speaker 4: And he's like, okay, Like what stuff. He's like, you
Speaker 4: got a house do you live in? And you got kids?
Speaker 4: And and I'm like, you know what, Lord, I just
Speaker 4: feel like every time the Lord comes like okay, let's
Speaker 4: do it. We'll do it again if you need to it.
Speaker 4: I I do my part.
Speaker 5: So Dave, what is it you need?
Speaker 4: And I do like and I need awards and I
Speaker 4: need like sales and singles.
Speaker 1: And he's like, okay, go get go get a cup
Speaker 1: of coffee.
Speaker 4: Well, it's like my dad, you say, and then what
Speaker 4: well I need? Well then what what? Why do you
Speaker 4: need those?
Speaker 7: Well?
Speaker 4: Some people will like like me or respect me. He's like, so,
Speaker 4: I mean, do you feel like they don't. I'm like no,
Speaker 4: and he's like, well, then that's the end of that.
Speaker 4: What else I need money? What do you need money
Speaker 4: for to buy? What stuff do you need? I'm just like,
Speaker 4: it's just and then what like, where's this coming? It's
Speaker 4: in and so that's the goal. It's never it's never satiated.
Speaker 2: And we know comparison is the thief fault of George
Speaker 2: oh Man and the world doesn't help that. You know,
Speaker 2: sometimes we just need to and I have to do
Speaker 2: this myself, especially when my son comes up and slash
Speaker 2: me on the face when I'm looking at my phone.
Speaker 2: You know, it's like what am I really? What am
Speaker 2: I doing with my time?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: And and am I am I busy bitching about something
Speaker 2: that if I was playing trucks with my three year old,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't even know existingly.
Speaker 5: You know, this is the thing.
Speaker 4: Everything in your life is actually trying to get you
Speaker 4: to play trucks with your kid. Literally, everything that you're
Speaker 4: doing in your life is so that you can do that.
Speaker 1: Totally.
Speaker 4: Literally, if you sat down and went, Okay, why don't
Speaker 4: need money? Why don't it's literally because I want to
Speaker 4: be with the people I love, doing what I love.
Speaker 4: And that's actually it, And that's what God had to
Speaker 4: tell me. That's all you're doing. You're doing it. How
Speaker 4: can you say you need something when you're doing the
Speaker 4: thing that's at the end of the circle.
Speaker 2: And ultimately the most rewarding thing in life to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and ultimately what you loved and what you pursued
Speaker 1: in the in the beginning of all this allowed you
Speaker 1: to do that, you know is allowing.
Speaker 3: You to do that.
Speaker 4: I had this moment I was pushing, like this is
Speaker 4: years ago, pushing my oldest uh he was probably around
Speaker 4: the same age too, something like that, And I was
Speaker 4: so in my head. I mean, I couldn't have been
Speaker 4: deeper in my head. We had just gone on the
Speaker 4: playground and and it was like a you know, Tuesday
Speaker 4: or whatever. And he was was she's a pharmacist, she
Speaker 4: was working the time that day, and so I had
Speaker 4: been and I man, I was at the bottom of
Speaker 4: the spiral. It was like, nothing's working. God, why can't
Speaker 4: why can't you just bless this stuff? Make the stuff?
Speaker 4: And literally, I mean short of the voice of God.
Speaker 4: I remember where I was. It was in front of
Speaker 4: Rector's house when he lived on my same street, and
Speaker 4: I was pushing the stroller and he said, why do
Speaker 4: you want all this stuff?
Speaker 1: And I said, because I just want to be like home.
Speaker 4: Put it in playing my kids, so I be home
Speaker 4: with my kids and my family. And literally he goes, Dave,
Speaker 4: what are you doing? And I was like, I think
Speaker 4: I'm good man. I think he's gonna keep But it
Speaker 4: was like it was a real moment for me. It's like,
Speaker 4: it's all we're trying to do is play trucks with
Speaker 4: our kids.
Speaker 5: All we're trying to do.
Speaker 4: And if I'm getting that, like what, what's It's just
Speaker 4: like I'm so sorry God, but yeah, those those I mean,
Speaker 4: I just kids. To me, it's like such a different
Speaker 4: talk about so many things you can't control, oh, and
Speaker 4: that you can't. I'll tell you what's funny. I wonder
Speaker 4: if you'll have seen this and they're just like, oh
Speaker 4: don't oh man, just the amount of uncaring music wise, though,
Speaker 4: let me tell you something.
Speaker 1: It's fun.
Speaker 4: It has been really interesting in mine that I play
Speaker 4: them songs now like all the time, and and I
Speaker 4: love getting their opinion on stuff. It's it's because mine
Speaker 4: are eighth grade or upcoming eighth grade, Oh yeah, you
Speaker 4: can tap it, fifth grade and third their borderline democrats,
Speaker 4: Oh bro, that's it. And it's been really funny when
Speaker 4: I when I'll get Demo's Backory Moan Tunes.
Speaker 1: That was my three year old.
Speaker 4: It's literally well, this was something I wanted to hear,
Speaker 4: a new Daddy song.
Speaker 1: That's what she said.
Speaker 4: This is something I learned. So I did this whole
Speaker 4: other thing. Left talked about it. I did a year
Speaker 4: and a half where I just listened to Beatles music
Speaker 4: and made a record Beatles to tour with. I don't
Speaker 4: want to get back together.
Speaker 2: I don't want to sell you.
Speaker 1: I don't like them.
Speaker 2: I think we talked about overrated bands.
Speaker 1: Sorry, we talk about bands that the world loves that
Speaker 1: you necessarily don't. I'm okay with that. Okay, that's my
Speaker 1: number one with and I'm the same way. But the
Speaker 1: respect the game. Here's the thing. I don't think it's bad.
Speaker 1: We never you shn't like them, We never. We never
Speaker 1: delved in for a year and a half on them either.
Speaker 2: Something I don't want.
Speaker 5: I did a year and a half of that.
Speaker 2: But that'd be like me listening to Day.
Speaker 1: For a year and a half.
Speaker 5: I dare you please do?
Speaker 1: I did from like I've already been there, touch the show.
Speaker 4: It's a whole lot of conversation, but I just listened
Speaker 4: that for year and a half, made a record, wrote
Speaker 4: and produced a record by myself called Feather Brain, Wealth Motel.
Speaker 4: That's my sort of like tribute to the Beatles, but
Speaker 4: my thing. I learned a million things from them in
Speaker 4: that year and a half from the Beatles, but one
Speaker 4: of the things was, I mean, it was a huge
Speaker 4: takeaway for me was I think a huge reason that
Speaker 4: their music is so universally loved is because kids love it.
Speaker 4: Because I'm not kidding, that was the only music listening to.
Speaker 4: I literally, that's only so if the kids were in
Speaker 4: the car with me, that's what we listened to. And
Speaker 4: I was amazed we'd listened to a song. It became
Speaker 4: a little game i'd do just to myself, where I
Speaker 4: turn it off and it let it be still, and
Speaker 4: they would sing first time they hear a song, they'd
Speaker 4: be singing it immediately, and I went, well, hold on now,
Speaker 4: oh oh, So to your point about demo, they're a demo.
Speaker 4: They're a demographic for the Beatles. And so then I
Speaker 4: was like, oh, I've been missing because I would I've
Speaker 4: always thought about music as being my music is being like, oh,
Speaker 4: it's gonna be a little more elevated. So I'm okay
Speaker 4: if kids don't like it, I'm not trying to do that.
Speaker 4: But that that year and a half for me was like, oh,
Speaker 4: I may have been getting the strong and so now
Speaker 4: because because I got they listened to beg can y'all
Speaker 4: sing that to me and be like you know us
Speaker 4: job every fields forever? And I was like, good, lord man,
Speaker 4: and that's a weird song. That's not even one of
Speaker 4: the ones you like yell summer you make sense. But yeah,
Speaker 4: So it made me start playing songs for my kids,
Speaker 4: and so much of that record there were numerous songs
Speaker 4: that I added because they were like I love that, dad, really,
Speaker 4: or even more, I would just do that thing where
Speaker 4: I'd turn the radio, I'd play my vers I'd be
Speaker 4: working on it. I'd be like and i'd hear them singing.
Speaker 4: I'd be like, all right, like check that's going in there.
Speaker 4: And with demos and stuff now too.
Speaker 2: So as a connoisseur for me, yeah, a guy, listen,
Speaker 2: I bet if we listed out one hundred bands that
Speaker 2: we love, yeah, ninety eight of them would be the same.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well all these records I'm like, it makes me
Speaker 4: so happy.
Speaker 1: So what what are the song? What would you advise
Speaker 1: a guy? Because I'll do it because I want to
Speaker 1: understand it. Yeah, and part of me enjoys the plight
Speaker 1: of under understand why someone works. Yeah, what what records
Speaker 1: would you advise me to dive in on?
Speaker 4: Well, you know, I think more than the records, what
Speaker 4: I would say is a couple of things you talked
Speaker 4: about just beatles be Yeah, Okay, I think context for
Speaker 4: them is a big deal because I think you have
Speaker 4: to understand that.
Speaker 5: Man, you have.
Speaker 4: Asked such a loaded question, But I love the ass.
Speaker 2: Give me a quick because we're already in.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 4: They literally started so many things, so this will be crazy, y'all.
Speaker 4: There really wasn't and hadn't been ever in the history
Speaker 4: of the world. Uh, a songwriting duo that were teenagers
Speaker 4: that wrote songs together that.
Speaker 5: We're not professionals.
Speaker 4: So literally, Lennona McCartney arguably were the first people to
Speaker 4: ever not be Tenpan or Tenpan Alley or what's the
Speaker 4: one in New York that the bro building that was
Speaker 4: the thing. They were the first kids to ever kind
Speaker 4: of go like, hey, we're going to start writing songs together.
Speaker 1: Two.
Speaker 4: If you talk to any and I really mean any,
Speaker 4: I'll say literally any artists from the next generation. So
Speaker 4: the Springsteenes, the Stings, the John Fogerties, Elton John, you
Speaker 4: name Michael McDonald, you name an artist, I'm ninety percent
Speaker 4: sure that they will tell you. The reason they started
Speaker 4: playing music was because of Beatles, because it was brand new.
Speaker 4: When they went on the Ed Sullivan Show, literally, people
Speaker 4: were like.
Speaker 5: This is the wait, we can do that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Memos, I know those guys like those are guys
Speaker 4: I went to school with, you know, like can I
Speaker 4: write my own songs? They talk about guitar sales and stuff.
Speaker 4: After that, like it started popular music. Wow, because they
Speaker 4: that was not a pedigree like you can. I've listened
Speaker 4: to interviews with Fogerty, with Sting, they will tell you
Speaker 4: our archetype was Buddy Holly. He was an anomaly because
Speaker 4: he was a little bit like that. But it was
Speaker 4: Elvis and Frank Sinatra, so you had to be good looking,
Speaker 4: you didn't sing your own songs. They were the first
Speaker 4: people that ever went not only I mean they were.
Speaker 2: So they were the six seventies, sixties, seventies Nirvana.
Speaker 4: They were and so not only did they start that,
Speaker 4: they arguably started genres of music because had there ever
Speaker 4: really been hard rock before Helter Skelter, Not really, had
Speaker 4: there ever been.
Speaker 5: Productions. They literally started production in the studio.
Speaker 4: So I think to understand why they're so pointed, that's
Speaker 4: not even dealing with their music yet, it's that they
Speaker 4: started on stage monitoring shows. Music shows had never been
Speaker 4: as big as the shows they played, so it created
Speaker 4: an industry for mega cons TV. Music on TV was
Speaker 4: not seen as viable until the Beatles, and then it
Speaker 4: was extremely important to everybody following to get their bands
Speaker 4: on TV. Wow, you know, magazines are started movies about
Speaker 4: musicians now that I have happened some with Elvis, but
Speaker 4: the Beatles blew that wide open. So they were just
Speaker 4: the first, Like contracts were being written that had never
Speaker 4: been written before because there had never been that much money.
Speaker 4: So when they came to the scene. But now that's
Speaker 4: one thing, quickly, the music.
Speaker 1: I just started the beginning.
Speaker 5: You have to started the beginning.
Speaker 4: But musically what they were doing was so unbelievably intense
Speaker 4: that there's a really cool thing if you can find it,
Speaker 4: it's on YouTube. Of he was a really famous composer
Speaker 4: at the time. You know his name, that's him Beethoven.
Speaker 4: He'd come back, but I can't with the guy's name.
Speaker 4: That's so embarrassing. But he did a special I think
Speaker 4: it was on CBS or NBC where he literally sat
Speaker 4: with this major network and said, we're going to talk
Speaker 4: about the Beatles for thirty minutes. And this is when
Speaker 4: they were like, I think this was like Rubber Soul
Speaker 4: or the Earth. This is way before you know, all
Speaker 4: the really cool crazy stuff. And he was and this
Speaker 4: guy literally says, you have to understand, we are witnessing
Speaker 4: one of the greatest musical moments in the history of
Speaker 4: time with these two kids, like what they're doing musically,
Speaker 4: and he said at the piano will be like, this
Speaker 4: is obscene what they're why would you do that?
Speaker 5: Like, and they're just going under this is what we
Speaker 5: really it's fun and.
Speaker 1: So that's really good. That's really too.
Speaker 4: I think just musically, this is what I did with
Speaker 4: a lot of my friends because they were always like,
Speaker 4: why are you on and on about this?
Speaker 5: And they love the Beatles.
Speaker 4: I was like, just like, pick five of their songs
Speaker 4: starting really like Sergeant pepper On and learn them and
Speaker 4: I promise you you'll go wait wait, wait wait wait it
Speaker 4: does what?
Speaker 1: And they were doing that as teenagers.
Speaker 4: Whoa, well, they're that song changes keys three times and
Speaker 4: I know, I mean like with a Penny Lane, it
Speaker 4: does the walk down and it turns turns the one
Speaker 4: major into a one minor for the core. You know,
Speaker 4: you're just like what And that is the tip of
Speaker 4: the iceberg for those guys. So I think musically what
Speaker 4: they did is they just took everything in stretch. They
Speaker 4: were just like, this is what we're gonna make pop
Speaker 4: music now. And nobody was like, oh, like, you can
Speaker 4: have a wholly orchestrated song. Eleana Rigby be a pop
Speaker 4: song with nothing but a vocal and strings like that.
Speaker 5: That wasn't a thing. So I think, like, I think
Speaker 5: what was fun for me?
Speaker 4: And this is the best way to end this thought
Speaker 4: as a songwriter was going oh no, no, no, Like
Speaker 4: I love being in Nashville.
Speaker 5: I love it. I've learned.
Speaker 4: But if anything, if I'm not careful, it's constricted how
Speaker 4: I think about right, It's okay because sometimes you know
Speaker 4: you're trying to do a fixed thing. But they just
Speaker 4: it was like if I had six colors i'd bring
Speaker 4: into a co write, and even especially with my own music,
Speaker 4: they were like, brother, we're talking about three hundred bucks Crayola,
Speaker 4: like have fun with this. Get weird because all that
Speaker 4: they wanted to do is if it's good, it justifies itself.
Speaker 4: Whatever you've done to make it good doesn't matter because
Speaker 4: it's good. And so if you want to change the tempo,
Speaker 4: change the key, uh, stop the song in the middle,
Speaker 4: like if it's good, nobody will care. And I think
Speaker 4: that was really interesting to me, be like I love
Speaker 4: those rules. Those rules make me really happy because then
Speaker 4: it goes from like a little bit well and I
Speaker 4: think just you know, because I mean, you know, I've
Speaker 4: said this. I will sit in rooms where I'm like
Speaker 4: that feels like too much, why are we doing that?
Speaker 4: Or whatever? It turned that on its head. I mean,
Speaker 4: yesterday I wrote and we we changed the key in
Speaker 4: the bridge, and it was I was that's only because
Speaker 4: I was like, hey, what if we and the guys like, well,
Speaker 4: let's do that, and it was like this is weird
Speaker 4: and awesome, you know, but I think that you know,
Speaker 4: you think of that sort of lineage of thought and
Speaker 4: you're like, oh man, I want to keep that alive.
Speaker 1: I want to keep this.
Speaker 4: You look at the guys like Marcus Hummon, that brother's
Speaker 4: doing that. I mean, when you learn his songs, you're like, wait,
Speaker 4: what is that chord?
Speaker 1: Why? Oh he changed the key in the middle of verse.
Speaker 4: You know, whatever is happening, you know, I think it's
Speaker 4: that that's the school I want that I really hear
Speaker 4: or two that I want to keep going, especially my artistry.
Speaker 5: But I also think, but I think they just for me.
Speaker 4: It was like, I know this sounds probably weird, but
Speaker 4: I bought two pictures. Really cool that you can go
Speaker 4: to these sites and buy like originals, like like somebody
Speaker 4: takes the film and they keep printing from the original film,
Speaker 4: and one of them is a picture of them from
Speaker 4: their h what's the Sergeant Pepper release party? And then
Speaker 4: one is from when they were filming help the movie.
Speaker 4: And I just and I know this sounds crazy, but
Speaker 4: I keep in my room just because I want to.
Speaker 4: I want to see that. I want to remember, like
Speaker 4: that's always a possibility, Like you can get weird shop.
Speaker 2: And it takes you back to being eighteen, nineteen years old, and.
Speaker 1: Oh that's it.
Speaker 4: That's that that that's the best way I can explain it.
Speaker 4: When I made that record, it literally felt like every
Speaker 4: time I went to my room, I was like, cook
Speaker 4: it up, let's see what happens today.
Speaker 5: Because it wasn't like man to keep it here.
Speaker 4: It was like, in fact, I was like, no, no, we're
Speaker 4: trying to explode the box every moment of every song.
Speaker 4: And so making the records really fun because I kind
Speaker 4: of had this checklist of things in my brain. I
Speaker 4: actually wrote them down, but it was like, Okay, it
Speaker 4: has to at least change the key once, change the tempo,
Speaker 4: at at least a chord. Some this is a crazy
Speaker 4: stat something like if they wrote I'm Gonna get the Strong,
Speaker 4: but it's close. They wrote one hundred and eighty eight
Speaker 4: songs that they released to whatever, one hundred and sixty
Speaker 4: of them change key or have a chord that's not
Speaker 4: appropriate for the key there in interesting, that's twenty songs
Speaker 4: that don't or like whatever, thirty songs. So you just
Speaker 4: kind of go, like, man, the world's your oyster. Just
Speaker 4: like go, if it's good, creatifies itself. Yeah, if it's good,
Speaker 4: it doesn't need a reason to do what it did.
Speaker 2: And I like that if it's good, it stands on
Speaker 2: its own.
Speaker 4: It does, man, And I think that's what's so fun
Speaker 4: about learning, like physically learning their songs, because I bought
Speaker 4: books that I put around the house of their chords
Speaker 4: and I would just go, Okay, I want to learn
Speaker 4: this today.
Speaker 5: And I'm telling you, I'd go.
Speaker 1: Do you have kids?
Speaker 5: I do. I don't see it much.
Speaker 2: You have a lot of a lot more time than
Speaker 2: I have.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, that's a whole other conversation, but it's
Speaker 4: you're a bad dad. I was in prison for a
Speaker 4: couple of weeks. I'm about it.
Speaker 1: Shoot a movie.
Speaker 4: Yeah, But I would just find myself, like if I
Speaker 4: got stuck, I'd go, Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna learn
Speaker 4: Loosing the Sky with Diamonds and dude, that song will
Speaker 4: split your brain in half. What's happening that you don't
Speaker 4: know is happening. And that's their genius to me, is
Speaker 4: that you are just sitting there enjoying the whole thing,
Speaker 4: and they're going, I've added nine chords in the last
Speaker 4: three bars. You didn't even realize were happening. Because the
Speaker 4: melody is so amazing.
Speaker 2: You got me. It's context helps for sure.
Speaker 4: Well, the conversion of me is it's it really is
Speaker 4: learning the songs because I think once you get them
Speaker 4: under your hands and you start looking at going like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, that's that chord.
Speaker 1: That's that chord. I can do that, you can do
Speaker 1: Oh they did this.
Speaker 4: It's a it is a mind f I mean, it's
Speaker 4: like it's really fun. And I think especially I've encouraged
Speaker 4: all my writing friends to do it, especially guys who've
Speaker 4: done it for a while, because I think it's just
Speaker 4: easy to get into those things a writer where you're like, well,
Speaker 4: this is you know, this multool box and.
Speaker 1: It's great and that's what I bring every day.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it just for me, it just it just
Speaker 4: deconstructed that whole thing. It was like, no, man, why
Speaker 4: don't you have a knife and a putty knife and
Speaker 4: then throw a paintbrush in there, butt some tape.
Speaker 5: I was like, yeah, let's do that.
Speaker 1: You know, cool glad to ask let to ask you
Speaker 1: actually not, you know, try it.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna try. I'm gonna try it out, I really am.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna try it and if I can't make it
Speaker 2: through it, I'll I'll say, hey, man, I can't make
Speaker 2: this through And then you go oh try this.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it's it's yeah.
Speaker 2: You also made me want to write songs with you, man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we should do it. Hey, what's next for Dave Bars? Dude?
Speaker 1: What you what you got coming? What I got going on?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 1: I mean coffee podcast time? Out?
Speaker 8: Right?
Speaker 2: Are you good for a little while? You gotta go somewhere? Okay,
Speaker 2: we're good.
Speaker 4: Well we love right, shout out a right, give.
Speaker 1: Me a sound? Right, I'm that one beats a neck.
Speaker 1: Give give David sound. That's fair.
Speaker 4: That's the sound of all the people plappick at my shows.
Speaker 4: Oh that was good. I appreciate that. I like that
Speaker 4: he took his time. Yeah, google that, I think so
Speaker 4: right now, I've been, I've been. This has been really
Speaker 4: fun actually, and I've been encouraging all of my writer
Speaker 4: friends to do this that can sing, because y'all can.
Speaker 4: This has been such a fun project and I'm not
Speaker 4: telling you I'm ken y'all. I've been encouraging my friends
Speaker 4: to do it.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 4: I wanted to put out music this year, but I'm
Speaker 4: working on kind of my second Beatles inspired thing. But
Speaker 4: it's I'm just I'm letting it kind of marinate. The
Speaker 4: first one. It was a blitzkrieg. I was just like,
Speaker 4: let's go this one. I'm kind of having more fun
Speaker 4: and taking my time with it.
Speaker 5: And I did.
Speaker 4: And I'm not sure that the DSPs are the way
Speaker 4: I want to release the strecord, because it's a whole thing,
Speaker 4: and I feel like people are a little more picky
Speaker 4: about wanting to hear a song at a time or
Speaker 4: you know, singles or whatever, where this is like, you know,
Speaker 4: you're dropping like twelve songs and someone's like.
Speaker 5: Oh, it's a lot. So I was like, all right,
Speaker 5: how can I release songs this year? And I was like,
Speaker 5: you know what?
Speaker 4: And I wanted to keep the budget like crazy low
Speaker 4: because you know, it's just trying to get spindled Spotify
Speaker 4: so hard for me at least, and.
Speaker 2: You can keep it.
Speaker 4: And so what I did is I was like, you
Speaker 4: know what I'm do. I'm going to like, you know,
Speaker 4: splunk my writer catalog and find all those songs that
Speaker 4: I was always like, why didn't they cut down?
Speaker 5: And I cut them?
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And so this year what I've done is every month
Speaker 4: I've released a song that it's and It's gonna waterfall,
Speaker 4: as we call the artist world, and a album called
Speaker 4: the songs that got away and it's and it's just
Speaker 4: once a month has been songs that like, you know,
Speaker 4: I wrote for somebody and loved it and they just
Speaker 4: didn't never get around a cutting, and I've cut them
Speaker 4: and it has been so much fun.
Speaker 1: That's fun. It's fun because you love these songs.
Speaker 4: Y'all know, everybody's got probably twenty or thirty of those
Speaker 4: over your career where you're like, man, and it just
Speaker 4: feels kind of vindicating. You're like, well, at least now
Speaker 4: it's out in the world and people can hear it.
Speaker 1: You know, I like it.
Speaker 4: And the way you keep the budget down, which has
Speaker 4: been really cool, is like one either I've just done
Speaker 4: all this stuff in my spot and you know it's
Speaker 4: just done and there it is, or you know you
Speaker 4: already sang on it, you got the demo and so
Speaker 4: I just go to the producer like, hey, let's just
Speaker 4: do it, but just talk about a piece of the
Speaker 4: you know, the master and everybody's been awesome, like yeah, man,
Speaker 4: just like give me a piece of that. And because
Speaker 4: it's already done, it's not like I got to work
Speaker 4: on it.
Speaker 5: I get a missed. But it's been so fun.
Speaker 4: It's been really cool to kind of see, yeah, that's cool,
Speaker 4: and I think she is an artist. Is fun because
Speaker 4: some of them are like not my vibe at all,
Speaker 4: you know, And I think it's fun for people that
Speaker 4: listen to kind of go oh, yeah, it's cool to
Speaker 4: hear you kind of sing a song like that, like
Speaker 4: one of them. I wrote a song Maggie Rose and
Speaker 4: talk about a vote.
Speaker 1: Home Mama Monster. That shick is. She was one of
Speaker 1: the first. She was literally one of the first people
Speaker 1: I ever saw play a like a listening room show.
Speaker 4: And that'll mess that was that a mistake thing? I
Speaker 4: was like, let's get on back to Weston's. Like in
Speaker 4: the car before she's done, you're just crying. You told
Speaker 4: me I was good enough right into the elderly home.
Speaker 4: Like you again, You're like, there's only place I need
Speaker 4: to do this.
Speaker 1: I don't get hit the spot and not kill anybody.
Speaker 4: Sign that shows that that was here a little black
Speaker 4: but but like hers like this is what's so fun
Speaker 4: about it? So it was written very specific, specifically about
Speaker 4: a moment in her life. Uh, but I love the
Speaker 4: tune and I was like, God, can I make that?
Speaker 4: So I changed like a couple of lyrics, and then
Speaker 4: I pitched the guitar because I love the guitar take
Speaker 4: down four steps, like whole steps. But I kept the
Speaker 4: guitar cause I was like, I kind of love the
Speaker 4: part and I like that it sounds a little weird.
Speaker 5: So it's just things like that.
Speaker 4: They're like, oh, that's that's like a weird color to
Speaker 4: hear it sound like that, but so you know, and
Speaker 4: then I had dug or play like some steel on.
Speaker 4: It's just it's so fun. It just kind of go like,
Speaker 4: sounds creative, how gonna, well it's and it's just like
Speaker 4: you know, man, it's just like getting things out is
Speaker 4: so therapeutic, just like let's release it and just go
Speaker 4: and go as opposed to feeling like so I've been
Speaker 4: doing those and then uh yeah, just writing. I mean,
Speaker 4: I think the thing I'm working on this season of
Speaker 4: my life with my writing life, it's like what I said,
Speaker 4: I just really want to I want to be able
Speaker 4: to be the best version of which the God. This
Speaker 4: is nauseating to hear myself say I want to be
Speaker 4: the best visional by his health every day. But I
Speaker 4: think it's it takes for me a lot of discipline
Speaker 4: if I'm not careful. It's it's not always easy to
Speaker 4: be who I'm supposed to be, because I think when
Speaker 4: you're with such unbelievably gifted people every day, it's it's
Speaker 4: easy to kind of find myself leaning and tilting a
Speaker 4: little listing a little bit that way, and just to go,
Speaker 4: you know, I just want to I want to bring
Speaker 4: myself fully to these and some days that's going to
Speaker 4: be great, and then some days it's not. And that's
Speaker 4: okay as opposed to trying to be the safe middle
Speaker 4: of it, like compressing everything to the place you're like
Speaker 4: that feels most digestible, experience the highs and the lows, yes,
Speaker 4: and being totally okay with them. That's right, as opposed
Speaker 4: to feeling like I don't know and I've seen, you know.
Speaker 4: One of the good things about Instagram to me is
Speaker 4: I've had more and more and I don't follow any
Speaker 4: of them, but I'll have more and more. Songwriter podcasts
Speaker 4: pop up, and it's just so I'm always so like
Speaker 4: John Bellyan was on and the Writer Is, which I
Speaker 4: love that podcast, and he was just like, oh man,
Speaker 4: I hear so many no's and it's just hearing that
Speaker 4: you're like, you know, if this guy who is just
Speaker 4: a monster is hearing that, then I'm going to hear
Speaker 4: that too, Like, don't take it so personally.
Speaker 2: I think that's part. You have to understand that that's
Speaker 2: not an opposition. It's more of just part of the
Speaker 2: business and the and the journey that you're on. It's like,
Speaker 2: I mean, I have a I have a few writers
Speaker 2: that I kind of help along the way. And I
Speaker 2: got a text that and he was like, well, I
Speaker 2: think I know what this means, you know, And I.
Speaker 1: Said, well, yeah, but that all.
Speaker 2: That is is a step, like you don't have to
Speaker 2: take that and change what you're doing because of what
Speaker 2: someone else said, Like you just have to keep doing
Speaker 2: what you're doing.
Speaker 4: That's right and and those songs find the right places.
Speaker 4: And that was what Bellian said. That thought was really cool.
Speaker 4: I think he said something like it's like a no
Speaker 4: for now. You know, it's not a no forever, just
Speaker 4: for now, and it'll find its place, meaning like obviously
Speaker 4: that no from that person, no, but the song needs
Speaker 4: to keep going around.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that song still living.
Speaker 4: That's right, that's right because you never know, you know,
Speaker 4: but every and I think that's the thing is that everybody.
Speaker 5: I'll say this in conclusion.
Speaker 4: I don't know if anybody's ever said this, but I
Speaker 4: think the thing that's so tricky about what we do
Speaker 4: as a songwriter, you think of any other job. I
Speaker 4: was laughing with with my buddy about this the other day,
Speaker 4: and he's a he's a therapist, and he was like, so,
Speaker 4: what is it like being a songwriter? I was like,
Speaker 4: all right, imagine this today. When you go in too
Speaker 4: meet with the guy, your guy girl that you're meeting
Speaker 4: with the council, it's you and another friend of yours
Speaker 4: who's a therapist, and another friend of yours is a therapist,
Speaker 4: and you're a you're all helping this person, but it's
Speaker 4: three of y'all, and then the next day it's going
Speaker 4: to be another one person and y'all are And I
Speaker 4: was like, so a couple of things happen if that's true. One,
Speaker 4: you've got to sort of divvy your thing up with
Speaker 4: somebody else, still same direction, but you're also before you
Speaker 4: go on, you're probably catching up and at some point,
Speaker 4: inevitably they're going to talk about something that's working for them,
Speaker 4: and not because they're being braggadocious, but because that's true
Speaker 4: and it's what you talk about, and so they're gonna go,
Speaker 4: oh man, we just signed on and we open our
Speaker 4: practice in Joelton and you go and we got three
Speaker 4: or four therapists and you're like what man, and then
Speaker 4: boom you're on and then now you're there and the
Speaker 4: next day you got another guy and what are you doing?
Speaker 4: Oh man, dude, this is crazy. We just got a
Speaker 4: spot in thirty A and you're like, god, the other
Speaker 4: one now. And I said, our job is this weird?
Speaker 4: And he laughs already He's like, I've never He's like,
Speaker 4: I counsel a lot art. I've never thought about that.
Speaker 4: I was like, well, just to give you some sympathy
Speaker 4: for songwriters, we do this weird thing that no other
Speaker 4: genre does, or no other I think job probably does.
Speaker 4: Where you are every day working with someone different that
Speaker 4: you're in competition with, but not that day. And it
Speaker 4: is a mind f if you're not careful, so good
Speaker 4: because every day and again, a couple of things are
Speaker 4: going to happen. You're going to be in you you
Speaker 4: going to sit in someone's glory. You're gonna sit and
Speaker 4: watch someone do what they do incredibly well you're gonna
Speaker 4: again catch up which is you need to do. I'm
Speaker 4: never in a room with somebody I'm like, dude, you're
Speaker 4: gotta be in a jerk. I'm like, I asked you
Speaker 4: how it's going, and you said, man, this has been tough.
Speaker 4: This has been good. But what's hard about what's good
Speaker 4: is it's the same thing I'm trying to do.
Speaker 1: So you know, just for me, it's what's good for
Speaker 1: you is.
Speaker 4: And I think what's crazy about our job? It's like
Speaker 4: that's every day And I think sometimes people are like, man,
Speaker 4: why why do you feel like that's so hard? I'm like,
Speaker 4: it's it is hard in some really unique, bizarre ways
Speaker 4: because I'm not just sitting with someone who's really good
Speaker 4: at what I do every day. I'm hearing how that
Speaker 4: thing is changing their life and what's great about that
Speaker 4: and the things that they're acquiring, are going to do
Speaker 4: or living in Spain for the summer or whatever. And
Speaker 4: it's just you got to have this weird like vulnerability
Speaker 4: with armor.
Speaker 5: Yes, you know, so it's just a it's a weird
Speaker 5: I have to do that with and.
Speaker 2: You have to drop it at the door when you
Speaker 2: walk out of.
Speaker 1: That and that's it.
Speaker 4: If you have to do it, if you take that lot,
Speaker 4: and you're gonna do it again, Amar, And so I
Speaker 4: think it's just I think I have to I have
Speaker 4: to work on that. I really have to be careful
Speaker 4: that I don't take in I mean, you said it
Speaker 4: so well. I don't take in the wrong things, that
Speaker 4: I don't leave with the wrong things, and that takes
Speaker 4: work for me. Some days it's just going, like, you know,
Speaker 4: because I love everybody, I mean, I'm so thankful to
Speaker 4: do this, to sit in rooms with all stars every day.
Speaker 4: But I think I'm I'm very fickle and not think
Speaker 4: that's gonna start to barnacle on you a little bit
Speaker 4: where you start carrying that weight and then you know,
Speaker 4: six months later you're like.
Speaker 1: I hate everything. I want you to lose and.
Speaker 4: Every week, So you know, I think that's that's what
Speaker 4: I'm trying to have discipline about these days, which I
Speaker 4: think as I've gotten older, GUIDs, it's getting a little
Speaker 4: easier and I'm less like I feel like I'm a
Speaker 4: little less like that than.
Speaker 1: That's great stuff, But that's great stuff that's still there.
Speaker 1: We got to get out of here. That was fun.
Speaker 1: That was fun. Please come back.
Speaker 2: You gotta do the graverite you please come back so
Speaker 2: much we didn't even.
Speaker 1: Can you do it?
Speaker 4: Well, this is the problem too. I'm too talkative. I'm
Speaker 4: not that's podcast like, well thirty minutes. I'm like, you
Speaker 4: think it's thirty minutes, just.
Speaker 2: Like, oh that was I mean I was in the
Speaker 2: whole time.
Speaker 5: It was this.
Speaker 4: You guys are at the weird like then diagram of
Speaker 4: so many things that I love. And so when you
Speaker 4: come on and I was like, I don't think they
Speaker 4: understand what they're getting into. Have you ever caught a
Speaker 4: fish in your life? Yes, there's some outdoors for you.
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, there's.
Speaker 1: There's like ten thousand hunters out there listening. It's like,
Speaker 1: what is he going to talk about?
Speaker 7: Turn?
Speaker 1: They just got it right there. How was turkey you've
Speaker 1: been doing? Like you me a turkey call? Yeah, turkey turkey?
Speaker 2: Well that thing?
Speaker 1: That thing?
Speaker 5: Yeah, this would last time the first time? Don't was
Speaker 5: that good?
Speaker 1: It's too much? What is that?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 4: That's probably North Arkansas? Yep, that's now, that's little John
Speaker 4: and it does between.
Speaker 1: All right, give him that guitar. Play us a song
Speaker 1: outlays a song.
Speaker 5: Here's what I'm here's what I'm gonnahow y'all.
Speaker 2: How did I know you were gonna have something to say,
Speaker 2: like a song, play your favorite man?
Speaker 1: What you're gonna do? You mean to hold the phone
Speaker 1: for you to see the court?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I got, I got. If you do, I don't know.
Speaker 3: You may know this one.
Speaker 2: Oh he's gonna play his song.
Speaker 1: Oh you ain't play somebody else song? No, do this one?
Speaker 2: This one, this one moved me this morning, I'll say,
Speaker 2: I'll say this. And the reason it did is because
Speaker 2: when it was a giant hit, I was like, that's
Speaker 2: very that's awesome, and and it hit me even then.
Speaker 2: It was an impactful song. But I have not heard
Speaker 2: this song probably five or six years, definitely since i've
Speaker 2: I've well, it's been longer on that because I don't
Speaker 2: know that I've really listened with my ears, listening without
Speaker 2: kids and stuff in the car to it in probably
Speaker 2: ten years.
Speaker 1: And it hit me different.
Speaker 2: Because I'm married now and I occasionally get nope, not
Speaker 2: she nope, no, don't you said that? But every now
Speaker 2: and then the it gets a little heavy. Marriage gets
Speaker 2: a little heavy, if I'm being completely honest and marrible. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and it, and it honestly awoke a little thing in
Speaker 2: me that that and maybe you can call this God,
Speaker 2: you can call it whatever you want. That was like,
Speaker 2: it's time to treasure your wife, attit. It's time to
Speaker 2: get back to realizing what a gift that she actually
Speaker 2: is to you, because I think we get so caught
Speaker 2: up in the like keeping everybody alive, that we completely
Speaker 2: miss out on the fact that when you first met
Speaker 2: this person, they were an absolute treasure and they still are.
Speaker 2: They are still she still is that treasure. I just
Speaker 2: need to do a better job of valuing that. And
Speaker 2: I plan on I plan on putting that to practice
Speaker 2: here lately. And it's because of this, dude. And I'm serious,
Speaker 2: Come on, many get you blessed?
Speaker 3: Play I play it boy.
Speaker 8: I've been a working hide, I've made a mess, mean.
Speaker 1: Person that I've been lately. I want to be, but
Speaker 1: stay right this side.
Speaker 8: I jest on those two and I God gaming for you, absent.
Speaker 1: God gave me for the teaser.
Speaker 6: Kid, well aything, I I was rowing there the words
Speaker 6: left to see.
Speaker 7: God gave me.
Speaker 1: Dave craz You can just think, Somers, can you do it?
Speaker 1: Come on, we got time. Let me even sing that's
Speaker 1: the one that got me.
Speaker 7: Boy, the one.
Speaker 1: Whist to find conspiracy J and Ange and loved me somehow.
Speaker 3: For me, It'll.
Speaker 8: Always be the last great by I'll be the flattered
Speaker 8: through the.
Speaker 1: US more happened.
Speaker 6: God gave me for the ups and down, can gave
Speaker 6: me all the days of all sounds so good?
Speaker 3: I think? Know what's just say?
Speaker 7: Shot? God game me. I only came on this show.
Speaker 1: Gotta tell you last thing.
Speaker 4: One of my favorite things about that song is John
Speaker 4: Singleton about once a year, for like three or four
Speaker 4: years after that song came out, it just text me
Speaker 4: a one word.
Speaker 5: Tethered, and he'd be like.
Speaker 1: How in the heck I just that word?
Speaker 4: Literally, I just get a random Every time you would
Speaker 4: hear it basical on the radio, they'll just be just
Speaker 4: be tethered and it would be like, I still don't
Speaker 4: understand that you got that song.
Speaker 1: John hangs on. He'll hang on to a word.
Speaker 4: If you get a word in a song, then he's
Speaker 4: he'll hang on to.
Speaker 2: You know what drives him nuts about ours. We had
Speaker 2: a song called kind of Love We Make and there's
Speaker 2: a it's this passion.
Speaker 1: In the hook, passion, passion, passion, it's just one word.
Speaker 5: Don't you love that?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Thank you?
Speaker 1: Hey, you're I hate that. I don't know you more
Speaker 1: than I even know. Come back you come back? Well
Speaker 1: you kidding? And tell give your podcast a plug?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, dad, Bill, Yeah, so we you just left
Speaker 4: this up so kind of So John McLoughlin and Buddy
Speaker 4: we mentioned.
Speaker 1: About they got in my earlier.
Speaker 4: I have to itches I'm not gonna have any uh.
Speaker 5: Yeah. So we we just have people on.
Speaker 4: It's it's funny because it started as like a dad
Speaker 4: you know, we had dads on obviously, but it's been
Speaker 4: fun over the last couple years. Hey, now we have
Speaker 4: more and more moms come on, and that's been obviously
Speaker 4: extremely value.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and so it's really great.
Speaker 4: It's I feel so much sympatico with you guys because
Speaker 4: it's like it's not the main thing we do, but
Speaker 4: it's something we love to do, and it because it's
Speaker 4: such a fun hobby.
Speaker 5: We we just love doing it.
Speaker 4: I mean we we especially when we have what we
Speaker 4: call like pros on where it's like somebody who's written
Speaker 4: a book on like childhood development or like anxiety and
Speaker 4: children or whatever. Those are the ones that are yeah,
Speaker 4: because it's like you're just quiet, you let them talk.
Speaker 7: OK.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know I keep doing this.
Speaker 2: I know this is super long.
Speaker 1: Just give us.
Speaker 2: Can you give us give us two dad tips that
Speaker 2: you've learned out of your research.
Speaker 4: No, that's it, Thanks for asking that. Pro tip dad tips, Yeah,
Speaker 4: pro tip. So I think one is you can never uh,
Speaker 4: you can never take your kids farther than you've gone
Speaker 4: yourself with yourself. So so the work that we do
Speaker 4: on ourselves, like getting better, getting healthy, knowing our strengths
Speaker 4: and our weaknesses, whatever that work is, uh, that's as
Speaker 4: far as we can take our kids too. So in
Speaker 4: other words, like if we don't do that work on ourselves,
Speaker 4: that's as far as we can go with our kids.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 4: And so I think for me, we had a therapist
Speaker 4: come on and say that, and I think about that
Speaker 4: quote so much, like and it's so motivating to me
Speaker 4: to get to know, like why do I struggle to write?
Speaker 5: Why am I mad at my wife?
Speaker 7: Why?
Speaker 4: Like I need to know this stuff, like Lord, help
Speaker 4: me with this, therapist, help me with this, like because
Speaker 4: I can't offer things to my kids and I don't
Speaker 4: know myself. And I think especially man, as we get
Speaker 4: older and our kids really start to have opinions.
Speaker 5: And once they get out of the house and they
Speaker 5: come back in.
Speaker 4: And they go, hey, I've been in the world for
Speaker 4: a minute, the world says, and I'm walking back in
Speaker 4: here and it feels different than when I left. And
Speaker 4: I think I know some reasons why it's a little
Speaker 4: tricky for me in this house sometimes interesting.
Speaker 5: I gotta be able.
Speaker 4: I have to be able to know my kid because
Speaker 4: they will say this to me someday, They'll say, hey,
Speaker 4: you know you do a couple things like this, and
Speaker 4: it's tough. If I don't know that about myself, that
Speaker 4: becomes a fight. And how could you be that disrespectful?
Speaker 4: You don't talk to you, How are you going to
Speaker 4: tell me? But if I know, oh, man, no, I'm
Speaker 4: so sorry I do that. I do that, and I
Speaker 4: know I do that because I've done the work to
Speaker 4: know I do it. But if I don't know that that,
Speaker 4: that's a beef that may never get resolved. And that's
Speaker 4: where you see kids like I don't want to be
Speaker 4: here anymore, man, because if I can't tell you what's
Speaker 4: true about you.
Speaker 1: I don't understand you.
Speaker 4: If you don't know what's true about yourself and I'm
Speaker 4: having to tell you what's true about yourself.
Speaker 5: That's not my job as a kid. That's your job, Dad,
Speaker 5: that's your job.
Speaker 1: That's good.
Speaker 5: So I think that's one and I think the.
Speaker 4: Other thing is just apologizing man like as a parent,
Speaker 4: like when you're wrong, tell your kids you're wrong, like
Speaker 4: just and tell them you're sorry, like say I'm sorry
Speaker 4: and have them say I forgive you.
Speaker 5: Like that's that's big stuff.
Speaker 1: And yeah, you're right.
Speaker 4: But I think that's something that anting out we really
Speaker 4: work on that. It's like, how do you how do
Speaker 4: like we're wrong, square up with your kids?
Speaker 5: Like get down?
Speaker 4: Then, hey, buddy, come here, Like daddy got mad, he
Speaker 4: yelled at you, and that's my fault, you understand.
Speaker 5: Will you tell daddy? You know, it's like hearing your
Speaker 5: kid for giving you is like some horful stuff.
Speaker 1: No, you're right, man.
Speaker 4: So I think that those two things have been That's
Speaker 4: where I feel like, you know, you guys may feel
Speaker 4: this way with this by gas, but like it's a
Speaker 4: cheat code for me and John because like you know
Speaker 4: what you in wisdom like that, It's like it's like
Speaker 4: that's some valuable stuff. All one of the guys of
Speaker 4: like Silly Fun podcast. Yea, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: My daughter dropped her lego set the other day and
Speaker 2: she went back and her she was so upset about
Speaker 2: it so much.
Speaker 1: She's six. She went back in their back in the
Speaker 1: back room.
Speaker 2: And normally I would have been like, hey, come on,
Speaker 2: its legos, forget about cut up?
Speaker 1: How dogs?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 2: And uh, because you gotta start choke hazard if you
Speaker 2: don't choking hands apparently. So I go back to her
Speaker 2: room and I said, you know what, I'm gonna try
Speaker 2: to handle this differently. And I think it was just impressive. God,
Speaker 2: just don't don't be the mad dad. Maybe try to
Speaker 2: get on her level for a second.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I walked back there and I sat on her bed
Speaker 2: and she was literally just in there crying, and I
Speaker 2: just put my arms out and.
Speaker 1: She hug me, and I said, hey, I got an idea.
Speaker 2: What what if What if I help you build it back?
Speaker 2: I said, we'll make it better. She sits back and goes,
Speaker 2: it was perfect the way it was, Daddy. I don't
Speaker 2: want better, I just want it the way it was.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, And she said, why are you grabbing
Speaker 4: your guitar?
Speaker 1: Just give me one.
Speaker 2: I did write that down my phone. Don't even think
Speaker 2: about it, but think about what that means. Man, I
Speaker 2: don't want better, I just want it the way it was.
Speaker 2: It was such a reflective moment in my life as
Speaker 2: far as like what I asked for all the time
Speaker 2: when all she really needed was a little help, a
Speaker 2: little support, and we're back on the horse.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 2: And I think if I can give any advice at all,
Speaker 2: sometimes like we tough dads need to kind of put that,
Speaker 2: put it down for a minute and just get on
Speaker 2: their level.
Speaker 1: Literally, I literally I saw the same thing, and and
Speaker 1: it said. The thing is like, next time that your
Speaker 1: kid is screaming and losing her mind, throwing a tantrum
Speaker 1: on the ground, it's easy to go, hey, get up,
Speaker 1: Come on, we don't act like that. Get up when
Speaker 1: literally they can't hear you. Yeah, because inside their brain
Speaker 1: won their screaming verbally, but inside their brain it's chaos.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: What was compelling to me though, was that how much
Speaker 2: that meant to her, even though in real life I'm
Speaker 2: up here thinking about bills, not keeping my kids alive.
Speaker 2: I mean literally, if you're not on they can die
Speaker 2: at this point, you know, Like anyway and she was
Speaker 2: hurting over dropping her Lego set.
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna tell you something.
Speaker 2: It opened my eyes that even the little things to
Speaker 2: them are huge things and we should treat those things.
Speaker 1: As bro That lego set turns into a broken heart,
Speaker 1: that lego set turns into a job. And if she
Speaker 1: can't come to you in a moment of pain and
Speaker 1: and and fill your arms around her, where's she gonna go?
Speaker 4: Well, And that's that's something that same therapist said that
Speaker 4: said about you can only go as far as you know,
Speaker 4: take kids as far as you've gone. He said, one
Speaker 4: of the questions your kids will always ask is will
Speaker 4: you be with me in this pain? Will you be
Speaker 4: with me? Whatever you will, you just be with me? Well,
Speaker 4: and I don't need you to fix it all the time.
Speaker 4: I just want you to Will you just be with
Speaker 4: me in hard things? And I think for you to
Speaker 4: sit on your bed with your little girl, it's showing
Speaker 4: her like, yes, I will be here. And it's I
Speaker 4: think that's one of the funniest things about being a
Speaker 4: parent is we really do overcomplicate it because we think
Speaker 4: at what we know about life at that level, and
Speaker 4: that's not They just are you around are you available?
Speaker 4: Will you throw the ball with me? Will you played yet? Legos?
Speaker 4: Are you kind of mom? Do you love mom? And
Speaker 4: they're like we're good now. We will need more things
Speaker 4: we get older. But like those early years, it's like
Speaker 4: there's some crazy study that showed that this blew my mind.
Speaker 4: The the I think it's the emotional infrastructure of a
Speaker 4: child is it's almost this is crazy, like ninety percent
Speaker 4: done by the time that they're four months old. And
Speaker 4: what that infers, which is unbelievable unbelievable, is that so
Speaker 4: much of what a child intrinsically feels is by is
Speaker 4: by uh not what they hear, what they interpret totally.
Speaker 4: So his dad around, like is he mad all the time?
Speaker 5: Is he cool?
Speaker 4: Does he seem to be at that tiny little thing?
Speaker 4: And then that from there on is how informs like
Speaker 4: how they kind of are in the world, which you're like,
Speaker 4: you man, which is great because I think God's kindness
Speaker 4: that he's like, hey, just like be around yeah, and
Speaker 4: don't like yell or hit them yeah.
Speaker 1: And that's also when they're really really.
Speaker 4: Really really yeah, and so it's like, oh, I think
Speaker 4: I can actually maybe do that and he's like yeah, no,
Speaker 4: you can. I'm telling you you can't because like I'm
Speaker 4: trying to make this is full because honestly, you'll mess
Speaker 4: this up. And so I think to me, you know,
Speaker 4: just being around, being available, showing them that they matter,
Speaker 4: like can can you? Another thing is like you want
Speaker 4: to be the expert in your house totally, you know,
Speaker 4: and so that.
Speaker 1: Means some awkward conversations.
Speaker 4: But I mean like in other words, like that same guy,
Speaker 4: his name is Stephen James. He's great, but Stephen was like,
Speaker 4: you know, you want to be the person that when
Speaker 4: your kid is like somebody said a cuss word and
Speaker 4: that was kind of weird, Like, hey dad, my kid
Speaker 4: said this yesterday. Is is d I c K a
Speaker 4: bad word? I was like, well, you know, you don't
Speaker 4: want to say it. It just means penis you know
Speaker 4: ask me that. Don't ask your buddy on the bus set.
Speaker 4: Don't ask like I'm the guy. And so it's not
Speaker 4: a place of pride, it's just authority. So if then
Speaker 4: because then they'll go like, hey, my my friend was
Speaker 4: looking at something on his phone and it was like,
Speaker 4: you know, let's talk about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, let's talk about it. What it looks like?
Speaker 4: How to make you feel okay, well, that's why it
Speaker 4: made you feel this way. And what you know, if
Speaker 4: you can be the authority, they'll keep coming to you
Speaker 4: about it. And I think that's another big thing that's really.
Speaker 1: Helpfully, that's what we want his dad's they come to.
Speaker 4: That's right with everything, which is going to be awkward
Speaker 4: and that's a lot of weird time. But I think
Speaker 4: if you can get to that place you're like, okay,
Speaker 4: we're really and not overreacting or not going why.
Speaker 5: Why did you look at that? Sure, like why are
Speaker 5: you hanging out with those kids?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 4: All right, let's we'll get to that, but let's talk
Speaker 4: about that first, like thank for coming to me about that.
Speaker 4: This is what that means, and that's what that is.
Speaker 4: And so I think those kind of things I don't.
Speaker 4: I just don't. It's not easy, but it's definitely not
Speaker 4: as hard as we can make it. I think, especially
Speaker 4: in those early years of just being around, being available,
Speaker 4: being kind, being you.
Speaker 1: Know, that's what I was talking to And yeah, I
Speaker 1: was talking to Casey Bethard about that and before I
Speaker 1: even had kids, man, I was like, man, I'm so
Speaker 1: you know, because as a dad, especially you feel that like,
Speaker 1: you're your authority, you're you're the leader of the house,
Speaker 1: and you want to say the right things. You want
Speaker 1: to you want to do all the perfect things to
Speaker 1: raise your child the exact way. And I asked him.
Speaker 1: I was like, man, I was like, I don't have
Speaker 1: like I don't know what to say, like when, And
Speaker 1: he was like, he's like, it's not He's like, you're
Speaker 1: not going to raise them by by telling them the
Speaker 1: perfect things. He's like, you're going to raise them by
Speaker 1: taking them to the to the corner store where you
Speaker 1: get a biscuit and you sit on the porch and
Speaker 1: you watch everybody come in and she says hi in
Speaker 1: waves and everybody says, hey, how do you eat the
Speaker 1: guy that no doubt man, no matter no matter how
Speaker 1: they look, no matter what color they are, like like
Speaker 1: all of those things. And he's like, that's that's how
Speaker 1: you raise them, that you just show them.
Speaker 4: Just so much is caught, not taught. And I think
Speaker 4: like remembering like which is so terrifying because then all
Speaker 4: of a sudden it's like, oh man, they're listening, they're watching, like, yeah,
Speaker 4: that's most of what they're taking on. It's not what
Speaker 4: you tell them, but it's what you're showing them, but
Speaker 4: how you live. Absolutely, And I think that's really encouraging
Speaker 4: but scary too, but it's like, Okay, I think I
Speaker 4: think I can do that probably.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 2: Barns with the Nuggets, Thanks for coming. Thank you go
Speaker 2: another four hours, come back.
Speaker 5: We will do it some other time.
Speaker 1: Thanks making on God's country. Well we'll check you next time.
Speaker 1: See you peace,