1 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:06,359 Speaker 1: Hi going everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading 2 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 1: the Bengals Booth podcast, the Just Like Starting Over edition, 3 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 1: as my broadcast partner Dave Lapham joins me to discuss 4 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:19,280 Speaker 1: the start of OTAs under new head coach Zach Taylor 5 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 1: and a big change on the Bengals offensive line. OTA, 6 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: by the way, stands for Organized Team Activities, which is 7 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 1: a fancy NFL term for practice with no live contact 8 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 1: and some other limitations. The Bengals are allowed to have 9 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 1: ten OTAs, which they will conduct over the next three 10 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: weeks with no weekend workouts permitted. Coming up on the pod, 11 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 1: I'll get laps observations about the first OTA workout, including 12 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 1: that big change up front, a few players that stood out, 13 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 1: and assistant coaches that caught his eye. Well. Also here 14 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: from Corty Glenn, who did something he hadn't done in 15 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 1: an estimated ten years. Is on Monday, and in this 16 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:05,400 Speaker 1: week's fun Fag's Interview, I will talk to Bengals President 17 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: Mike Brown about the position group that has probably cranked 18 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 1: out more great players than any other in team history. 19 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 1: All of that is straight ahead, but first, here's a 20 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:18,679 Speaker 1: quick reminder that you can have the latest edition of 21 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: this podcast delivered right to your phone, tablet, or computer 22 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 1: by subscribing on iTunes, Stitcher, Google Play, Spotify, or pod Bean. 23 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 1: It's the greatest invention since foling. In the interest of 24 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 1: full disclosure, I haven't tried it yet, but foling is 25 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: a combination of football and bowling, where you throw a 26 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:45,040 Speaker 1: football to try to knock down your opponent's bowling pins 27 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 1: before they knocked down yours. A thirty lane foling warehouse 28 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: has opened in Cincinnati, and it includes a bar. I 29 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: plan to give foling a try very soon. Now let's 30 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: get to football as I bring in my broadcast as 31 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: partner Dave Lapham to discuss the Bengals first OTA practice 32 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 1: under Zach Taylor. One OTA practice in the books and 33 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: lap I guess the closest thing to news on day 34 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: one was how the offensive line lined up, the fact 35 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: that Jonah Williams was at left tackle and Cordy Glenn 36 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:19,799 Speaker 1: moved inside to left guard. Now, Clint Bowling isn't practicing yet, 37 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 1: Alex Redman isn't practicing yet, so these things can obviously 38 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 1: still change. But what was your reaction to seeing that. 39 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 1: I wasn't really shocked by any stretch. You know, Cordy 40 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: Glenn has played the guard position, although it was back 41 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 1: in this college days. He mentioned that he might have 42 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:36,519 Speaker 1: done it a little bit at practice when he was 43 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: at Buffalo, but never did play getting any game snaps 44 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:41,519 Speaker 1: at the guard position. And you know, it's a different 45 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:45,079 Speaker 1: world basically. You know, at the tackle position, you're working 46 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: in space and you have to be real patient with 47 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 1: your technique and sometimes with your hands, whereas inside at 48 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: the guard position, everything's coming fast. You have to get 49 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: your hands on people a lot faster. You have to 50 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:59,799 Speaker 1: make quicker decisions. You can't wait as long to decide 51 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: what you're gonna do, how you're going to attack with 52 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 1: your technique at the guard position as you can, you know, 53 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: at the tackle positions. So they are they are different worlds. 54 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 1: But I think Cordy Glenn, you know, has played in 55 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: both worlds, and I think he's going to be able 56 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: to adjust to playing in both worlds. But as you said, Dan, 57 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:18,239 Speaker 1: it's the first day of OTA, so there's there's miles 58 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: to go before anybody rests, that's for sure. But with 59 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:22,920 Speaker 1: the eleventh pick of the draft, it's not a surprise 60 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 1: that Jonah Williams is lining up at the spot that 61 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 1: he you know, he played so well at Alabama. You know, 62 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: I only gave up on one sack and I don't 63 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 1: know eight hundred and something snaps. I think Seth pass sets. 64 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: It was at the left tackle position. So he's pretty 65 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 1: pretty impressive with his technique out there. He's got great feet, 66 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: he's quick, he's got great hand placement. Um I think 67 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: he can play the left tackle position, and I think 68 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: they want to give him the first crack at it 69 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 1: out there. It sounded like Corty Glenn appreciated the way 70 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: new offensive line coach Jim Turner handled it. He pulled 71 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: him aside. It sounded like it was a few weeks 72 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 1: ago and more or less let him know that this 73 00:03:58,120 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 1: might be the way that things are going to go 74 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: at least o Tas. I think that's wise thing to do. 75 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 1: I think that, you know, wouldn't be real fair to 76 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 1: just throw it out there as a surprise on you know, 77 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: that morning you go to meetings and it's like, yeah, 78 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 1: here's where you're going to be playing now, as opposed 79 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: to you're preparing your mind and your mindset for maybe 80 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:18,799 Speaker 1: something else. So I think that that's smart that's wise. 81 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 1: I think that shows that Jim Turner is all about 82 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 1: communicating with his players, which is good. And you know, 83 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:28,719 Speaker 1: I'm impressed with watching him work with his offensive line. 84 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 1: He gets a lot of reps. He's he comes from 85 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: the Frank Pollock school. There's no standing around killing grass. 86 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 1: I mean, these guys go through a ton of reps 87 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: no matter what they're doing, if they're in cone drills, 88 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 1: if they're on sleds, if they're you know, working against 89 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 1: each other, there's a maximum number of opportunity for every 90 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: single guy in a short period of time. And uh, 91 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: the thing I like about him with his technique, the 92 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:54,160 Speaker 1: lineman's feet are always moving. They're always chop stepping, you know, 93 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: they're not taking big plotting you know steps and anchoring 94 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:59,479 Speaker 1: like you know, Andre the Giant. I mean, they get 95 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: the jackhammer feet and I like that in their technique. 96 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: And I do like what they're doing with their hands. 97 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of similarities between what Frank 98 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 1: Pollock and what Jim's doing. Is this offensive line coach 99 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 1: with this group looking at the rest of the line. 100 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:17,160 Speaker 1: Billy Price was at center. John Miller, the free agent 101 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:19,599 Speaker 1: they picked up from Buffalo as at right guard, Bobby 102 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: Hart was at right tackle. Billy Price looks good to me, 103 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: looks fit, he looks strong, he looks competent after getting 104 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: through an injury plague rookie year. Yeah, I think it 105 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: was kind of a nightmare. You know, probably starting with 106 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 1: the combine. He really had never been hurt and you know, 107 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 1: messes his pack up at the combine and the bench 108 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: press testing, and so you know that was like, wow, 109 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 1: that's that's out of left field. That's kind of a rarity. 110 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 1: And uh, you know, he comes back from that and 111 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 1: he has the almost like Liz Frank type injury with 112 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: that foot that that is not a real comfortable thing 113 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: to deal list. So literally and figuratively, never was able 114 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: to get his feet on rome, you know, and now 115 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:58,600 Speaker 1: now that he has. The good thing is he went 116 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: through all the mental reps the entire season, even when 117 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:05,479 Speaker 1: he had the peck problem from the from the combine. 118 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 1: He was taking all the mental reps out there in 119 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: OTAs and mandatory mini camps and then training camp, and 120 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 1: so he did see it. He did experience all the meetings. Uh, 121 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: there's there's something he said for that. And he got 122 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,159 Speaker 1: out in the field and played, so he experienced the 123 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:22,159 Speaker 1: tempo of the National Football League and the differences that 124 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 1: you have to make adjustments to coming from the college level. 125 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: So his improvement from year one to year two, we 126 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:30,720 Speaker 1: always talk about it. It's always big for every rookie. 127 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 1: For him, I think it's going to be astronomical because 128 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: you know, he was doing it wounded, you know, last 129 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 1: year a couple of different times. If guys are healthy, 130 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 1: there really aren't a ton of starting jobs open on 131 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:44,719 Speaker 1: the roster, but one is at defensive end, where Michael 132 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: Johnson isn't around anymore. Sam Hubbard was in there with 133 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: the ones to begin the first reps of OTAs on Monday. 134 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 1: Carrie Win rotated into that spot quite a bit as well. Yeah, 135 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: I'm impressed with both of them. I think they're both athletic. 136 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: Sam Hubbard and Carry Winner are going to give the 137 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 1: Bengals a lot of snaps, and I think good snaps 138 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: off that edge. Kerry Win reminded me of Eddie Edwards 139 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: out there, a little bit of long, long armed, you know, 140 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 1: long bodied type defensive lineman that has you know, enough 141 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 1: body strength he can lock you out with those long arms, 142 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: and the running games set an edge a little bit 143 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 1: as well as as pass rushing and Sam Harvard. We 144 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: saw everything about Sam you love his athleticism is effort 145 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: and Win's that kind of guy too. They're big hustle guys. 146 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: I mean, they don't waste. You never see them walking anywhere. 147 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: You never see them bringing up the rear and any drill. 148 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: They're always in the forefront of everything and they're always, uh, 149 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: you know, a first guy at the line if they're 150 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 1: going to run sprints. Those are the type of guys 151 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: you like to have. And I think I think that's 152 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: going to be a pretty good one two punch over 153 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 1: there at that position for sure. As for Vontez perfect 154 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: spotted linebacker, the Bengals actually came out in Nickels, so 155 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 1: Preston Brown and Nick Vigil out there at linebacker and B. W. 156 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: Webb was in there as the extra defensive back. When 157 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: they did get three linebackers on the field, the first 158 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: went out, there was Jordan Evans in that third spot, right, 159 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 1: And that that makes sense. You know, at this point 160 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 1: you have a you know, a rookie linebacker hasn't signed 161 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:11,239 Speaker 1: a contract yet. How much do you want to expose 162 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 1: him potentially? So and that'd being proud, of course at 163 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 1: the linebacker position. But you know, I was impressed with Webb. 164 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 1: I thought Webb made made plays at that at that 165 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: spot in the nickel. Obviously lew Is very familiar with him, 166 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: coached him with the New York Giants, brought him here 167 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 1: for a reason, and he showed up. I mean, he 168 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 1: made some plays. I thought that overall, the tempo of practice, 169 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:40,079 Speaker 1: everything was very, very crisp. Guys were excited. There was 170 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 1: a lot of enthusiasm. You can talk about that kind 171 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:45,559 Speaker 1: of stuff. You can talk about excitement in the room, enthusiasm, 172 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 1: will it carry to the field? It did. It carried 173 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 1: from the classroom to the field. And it wasn't false, 174 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 1: you know, there was nothing false about it. Defensive players, 175 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: you know, when one room would go off the field, 176 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: an other one came out. It was the sprint. It 177 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 1: was like Nascar. It was like making a pit stop. 178 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 1: I mean they were flying by each other getting on 179 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: and off the football field. That's the kind of thing 180 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: you know, you'd like to see. I thought, as is 181 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:08,199 Speaker 1: the case, a lot of times, Dan defense might have 182 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 1: outplayed the offense and the very first to skirmish as such, 183 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,559 Speaker 1: when they go eleven on eleven, and I think, I 184 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: think the offense will you know, obviously, their their graph 185 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 1: will start going out very quickly. Um Zach made reference 186 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 1: to the point that they were turnovers, but they were 187 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 1: self inflicted. The ball was on the ground too much 188 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: in terms of just simple handoffs and those kind of things. Defensively, 189 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 1: would like to see more turnovers, more takeaways forced by 190 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: the defense, but the offense was was way too charitable, 191 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 1: and so they have to tighten that part of it up. 192 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 1: All security is a big, big deal. But I thought that, 193 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: you know, the temple of practice overall, to and from 194 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 1: drills on and off the football field, on the field 195 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 1: as they're running plays against each other, I thought all 196 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: of that was very very high level. The execution not 197 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 1: where you want it yet, but it's only day one. 198 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 1: One offense guy who did make plays was the second 199 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 1: round draft pick tight end out of Washington, Drew Sample. 200 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:07,439 Speaker 1: He had several catches, including a deep ball down the scene. 201 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 1: He did he looked, he looked very good, you know, 202 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: and uh, you know he's down the middle against you know, 203 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: it's not chopped liver out there. It's it's against Jesse Bates, 204 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 1: who you know, that's the last two second round picks 205 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 1: back to back years going after each other. And Jesse 206 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: Bates had a very very strong rookie season, so you know, 207 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: it's good to see sample making those plays. And I 208 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: thought he was a very easy catch of the football. 209 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: He didn't struggle. I mean, it wasn't like he was, 210 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 1: you know, working. He catch the football is very very simple. 211 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 1: You know, he just was like suction cups man flicked 212 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 1: those hands out there in a very very easy catch 213 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: of the football, which I think was a really good sign. 214 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: And he ran good routes. And you know, that's the 215 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 1: thing that the other thing that I was impressed with 216 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: young guys, veteran guys. It's new systems on both sides 217 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 1: of the football. I didn't see a ton of mental errors. 218 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:55,679 Speaker 1: I didn't see mental breakdowns. I saw physical breakdowns, and 219 00:10:55,720 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: that's correctable. The mental errors are correctable also, but discouraging. 220 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 1: You know, if you spend time in the classroom, you 221 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 1: expect guys to understand installation. The fact that they're retaining 222 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: what the coaches are putting out there, I think is 223 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 1: a real good sign because I didn't see any jail breaks, 224 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:14,559 Speaker 1: any mental errors out there. Again, physical mistakes and they 225 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 1: happen and they'll hopefully get better. The bulk of the 226 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 1: OTA practice was spent in individual position drills. You spent 227 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: a lot of time watching Jim Turner work the offensive line. 228 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 1: We talked about the way he's going about that a 229 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:30,559 Speaker 1: little bit. Did any of the other assistant coaches new 230 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 1: assistant coaches get your eye? Yeah, I think I think 231 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 1: a lot of them. You know, I think I think 232 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 1: every single position group that I looked at the players. 233 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: You can tell when players responding to coaches or if 234 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:43,960 Speaker 1: they're just kind of like, you know, let me just 235 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 1: get through this drill, and all of them are you know, 236 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: their eyes are on them, their ears are open. I mean, 237 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:52,319 Speaker 1: they're they're definitely paying full attention. You don't you don't 238 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:54,839 Speaker 1: see guys, you know, looking at the ground, kicking dirt, 239 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 1: trying to you know, kill daisies or whatever. You don't 240 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: see any of that going on. Guys, are you know 241 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 1: a ten in front and center? And I think I 242 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 1: think that's a that's a good indicator that the coaches 243 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: have already gotten the respects of the players. And we 244 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:09,839 Speaker 1: talked about all the players. We talk in the locker 245 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 1: room with Dan They all talk about the youthful enthusiasm 246 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:15,199 Speaker 1: and excitement that the coaches are bringing to the classroom. 247 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:17,079 Speaker 1: They're bringing it to the football field as well, and 248 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:20,439 Speaker 1: players are responded to that and uh, and there they're 249 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 1: buying what the coaches are selling. The coaches are good 250 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 1: teachers and the players are learning from these teachers, which 251 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: is good. Um. The attention paid the detail, I think 252 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 1: is very very good. And I really impressed with all 253 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 1: the coaches up and down all position groups. They seem 254 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 1: to have, you know, the players not in the palm 255 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: of their hand as such, but you know they have 256 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 1: full control and full attention of all their players. How 257 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: about defensive line coach Nick Eason in particular, that's a 258 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 1: group that has a lot of talent but didn't dominate 259 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 1: last year. And he's almost I think they look at 260 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:59,199 Speaker 1: him as a veteran contemporary. I mean he gets after him. 261 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 1: He challenged physically mentally. I mean, he wants effort now 262 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:06,680 Speaker 1: and if if you're not giving him effort, he's not bashful. 263 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 1: And he didn't care who you are. He didn't care 264 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:11,200 Speaker 1: if you're a multiple time Pro bowler or a college 265 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:13,839 Speaker 1: free agent. He's treating you the same way, it's like, man, 266 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:15,559 Speaker 1: you got to you gotta show me more than that. 267 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 1: You gotta hustle. You know, you don't have to be 268 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:19,839 Speaker 1: a great player to hustle. And I want hustle out 269 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 1: of everybody up and down the entire defensive line roster. 270 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 1: And and he's demanding it. And I think the players 271 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: I talked to and that position group say he's a 272 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:33,719 Speaker 1: no nonsense guy and and he'll challenge anybody. And he's 273 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 1: challenged the leaders of that position group very early on 274 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 1: to make sure that everybody knows that he's not going 275 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: to play any favorites in that regard, and he expects 276 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 1: the same out of everybody. And I think I think 277 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 1: he's going to get big effort out of the defensive front. 278 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: I think it's going to be interesting to watch how 279 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 1: the season progresses with those guys. I think there's going 280 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 1: to be some internal competition there that's never never a problem. 281 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 1: It's always healthy. And I think guys are going to push, 282 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:02,199 Speaker 1: you know, there their fellow teammates to two bigger heights, 283 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 1: and it's going to be led by their coach. I mean, 284 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:06,320 Speaker 1: he's going to get after it. He'll go into gap 285 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: all of them. I mean, he's a big, strong guy, 286 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 1: and I think I think they respect the fact that 287 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 1: he played in the league for a long time. And uh, 288 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 1: you know, I think that that part of his resume 289 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 1: they're very respectful of. And and he knows what he speaks. 290 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 1: I mean, he's got he's got those guys watching their hands. 291 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 1: He's got them working their hands extremely well every single day. 292 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: And that's what it boils down to. It boils down 293 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 1: to footwork and hands and who who's better in those 294 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: areas And you can never work on those enough. And 295 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 1: he knows that, he understands it. To be able to 296 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 1: play in the league, you have to have both. You 297 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: have to have good feet and excellent hands. This comes 298 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: as no surprise, but it certainly looks like Andy Dalton 299 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 1: is already grasping exactly what Zach Taylor wants to do. 300 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 1: I agree with you, Dan, I mean, Andy's and he's 301 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 1: a smarter football player, I think as there is. You know, 302 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 1: obviously Tom Brady is the leader of the pack in 303 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: that regard with his six Super Bowls, and but but 304 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 1: he has had continuity, you know, with his coaching staff, 305 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 1: his same head coach the entire career for Tom Brady 306 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 1: and a good part of it with Josh McDaniel, you know, 307 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 1: I mean other than when he left to go to 308 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: Denver for a little bit of time, he's had the 309 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 1: same coordinator, so that that part of it is is 310 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: good for Tom Brady. This will be Andy Dalton's third 311 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: different offensive installation in three years. And it's not like 312 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: he's a rookie. I mean he's you know, he's been 313 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 1: in the league for more than a handful of season. 314 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: So but he can he can comprehend it. I mean, 315 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: he can grasp, but he can unlearn and relearn as 316 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 1: fast as anybody I've I've seen. And I really liked 317 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: the offense too. I mean, the quarterbacks are out of 318 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 1: pocket as much as their in pocket. There's a lot 319 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: of movement going on with this offense, a lot of 320 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: you know, a lot of jet sweeps, a lot of 321 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 1: fake jet sweeps, and then play action pass around that. 322 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 1: Sometimes quarterbacks stays in the pocket, sometimes they're out of pockets. 323 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: Sometimes they're you know, an unprotected quarterback on a naked bootleg. 324 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: Other times they have people in front of him as blockers. 325 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 1: I mean, it's a You're going to see a lot 326 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 1: of different things as a defensive football team from this offense. 327 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 1: And again, Zach wasn't totally excited about the overall execution 328 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 1: of the offense in the first day, but everybody knows 329 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 1: it's going to get a lot better. We mentioned b 330 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 1: W Webb and Sample as a couple of guys that 331 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 1: that seemed to have good days. Anybody else catch your eye, 332 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 1: particularly somebody that maybe it's a little bit off the radar. Well, 333 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 1: this guy's not off the radar. But you know, I 334 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 1: was watching Jonah quite a bit at left tackle, and 335 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: he's solid. He saw it as a rock. I mean, 336 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: he's a he's a sound technician. He's almost like a 337 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 1: robot tackle out there. You know, watching him. Again, it's 338 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 1: underwear ball, so you can't really, you know, get that 339 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 1: get that excited about it yet. H Cordy Glenn, I thought, 340 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: you know, just a well, inside, it is going to 341 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 1: be interesting. Those two guys working together, if that's the 342 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 1: way it's going to be, is going to be very 343 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 1: interesting in terms of picking up all the stunts and 344 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 1: twists and all the calls that have to be made 345 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 1: and everything goes along with it. I thought Cordy was 346 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 1: playing a little bit high you know, at the guard position, 347 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 1: gonna have to maybe work on that pad level a 348 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:04,159 Speaker 1: little bit. Um. But I think we've hit, you know, 349 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 1: some of the guys, some of the some of the 350 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 1: guys though that you'd expect to catch your eye. Giovanni 351 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 1: Bernard still catches, you know. He to me, he's got 352 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: that quickness, that burst, that lateral quickness that he has 353 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 1: is fun to watch. You know. We got to remember 354 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:19,880 Speaker 1: Joe Mixon wasn't out there. A j. Green wasn't out there. 355 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:22,400 Speaker 1: You've got, you know, big time players that weren't part 356 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 1: of the action out there. So I thought, I thought 357 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 1: some of the defensive lineman um really really. I thought defensively, 358 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:30,719 Speaker 1: a lot of guys flashed. A lot of a lot 359 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 1: of players flash. We talked about, you know, quite a 360 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:35,439 Speaker 1: few of them, and again I thought, b W Webb, 361 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: you know flash pretty well. I thought the defense was aggressive. 362 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 1: I thought there was a heavy blitz mentality to what 363 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 1: they're doing. I think they're going to get after people. 364 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:46,719 Speaker 1: I think offensively and defensively. I think it's it's all 365 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 1: about attack, you know, it's about aggressiveness. And I thought 366 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:53,119 Speaker 1: a lot of players have shown universatility that they were 367 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:55,879 Speaker 1: hoping the coaches were hoping that they had. You know, 368 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 1: sometimes you have to morph and mutate into something different. 369 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 1: You know, Core he's going to go through that and 370 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:04,399 Speaker 1: other guys are going to do it. Um. But I 371 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:07,119 Speaker 1: think I think the football IQ with both players that 372 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:09,360 Speaker 1: have to have football IQ is there. I think leadership 373 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: is there. We talked about all the captains they drafted, 374 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 1: talked about leaders that are already on this football team. 375 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 1: And you know, everybody's undefeated right now. Everybody's optimistic right now. 376 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:20,680 Speaker 1: But uh, it was good start. They're far from the 377 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 1: finished product. They've got a lot of polish to put 378 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 1: on to be a finished product. But I think it 379 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 1: was a good start. It's kind of strange not to 380 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: see Marvin Lewis standing back there in the secondary with 381 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:32,639 Speaker 1: his practice itinerary in his hand, following things. I know, 382 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: it's sixteen years of being that way. And Zack's just 383 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:40,880 Speaker 1: the total opposite Marvin. Defensive orientation, like to get back 384 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 1: there as a as a deep deep safety and observe everything. 385 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 1: Now Zach with the offensive orientation, he's right behind the 386 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 1: huddle because he's calling the plays. I mean, he's right there. 387 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 1: He's um, you know, he's got the the Waukee talkie, 388 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 1: uh you know, with the with the calls going right 389 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 1: to the quarterbacks headsets and there in their helmets. So 390 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: it's a it's a much different dynamic out there. You're right, Dan, 391 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 1: it's cafeteria open. I'm kind of hungry. Let's let's let's 392 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 1: pound some grub. Nothing nothing wrong with a good lunch, 393 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:12,159 Speaker 1: thanks Lap. Following practice on Monday, reporters crowded around the 394 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 1: locker of offensive lineman Cordy Glenn to get his thoughts 395 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:19,639 Speaker 1: on lining up at guard after strictly playing tackle in 396 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 1: his first seven NFL seasons. I mean I played it 397 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 1: before it, but I mean obviously when we drafted Jonah, 398 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:28,920 Speaker 1: you know it's gonna be different, especially with that type 399 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 1: of investment. So I gotta do what everything about the 400 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 1: team mones, That's what it calms downs. We've already answered 401 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:37,640 Speaker 1: us once. The last time play uh far light ten 402 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 1: years ago? Ten years ago. Yeah. So he never played 403 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:42,879 Speaker 1: it in the NFL, even in preseason games or anything. 404 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 1: Never played Maybe a pratt like I might have tried 405 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 1: it out. No, I have no preseason that you think 406 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 1: it's easier to go outside inside rub and inside outside 407 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,239 Speaker 1: if you haven't done either before. I don't know if 408 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 1: they're totally different animals. Yeah, it's different. I'm not sure. 409 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:01,360 Speaker 1: I don't know answered that one forty its first day 410 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:04,399 Speaker 1: of OTAs the long way from the season opener. But 411 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 1: do you figure I am probably a starting guard this year? Uh? 412 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 1: I don't, man, I don't know. We'll see. I mean, 413 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:14,919 Speaker 1: the first thing for it to work would have to 414 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:18,360 Speaker 1: be your and you embracing it. Really, I mean, are 415 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 1: you wide open minded to the possibility of doing it? Yeah? Definitely. Uh, 416 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I'm out there right now practicing. 417 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:28,399 Speaker 1: I've been out there, you know, since they told him, 418 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 1: doing everything prepare for it. So yeah, just kind of 419 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 1: look at it as that's being a fro Yeah, going 420 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 1: your job. Could Schurner give you the sense that you'll 421 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 1: still be getting some time at tackle and he's just 422 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 1: gonna kind of like try to figure out what works best. 423 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 1: I'm not sure, man, I really have no idea. We 424 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 1: just had our conversation or whatever, and that was it. 425 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:54,439 Speaker 1: I don't know, did you like to wait he handled 426 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:56,719 Speaker 1: you mention it kind of a Manda Band conversation. It 427 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 1: wasn't It wasn't like he came in there and it 428 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: just like what it was in the Prentice buildings, like, oh, 429 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: we'll go do this, he said. We had a meeting 430 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,680 Speaker 1: about it, and I mean, that's all you can ask for. Really. 431 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 1: As I mentioned in my conversation with Dave Lapham, last 432 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 1: year's starting guards Clint Bowling and Alex Redman are not 433 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: practicing right now as they recover from injuries. So we 434 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 1: are still a long way from knowing if Cordy Glenn 435 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 1: will move to guard this season. Now time for this 436 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:25,680 Speaker 1: week's fun Facts interview and another visit with Bengals President 437 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 1: Mike Brown as I get his thoughts on the best 438 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 1: wide receivers in franchise history. If you had to choose 439 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,439 Speaker 1: a position where the Bengals have had the most great 440 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 1: players at any given position, it might be wide receiver. 441 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:40,679 Speaker 1: And today we're going to look back at some of 442 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: the all time best enfranchise history with team president Mike Brown. 443 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:48,239 Speaker 1: Let's start with Isaac Curtis, who averaged seventeen yards per 444 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:50,639 Speaker 1: catch during his eleven years with the Bengals. When you 445 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 1: think of Isaac, what stands out well? Isaac was probably 446 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 1: the pick of the litter. He was a great player 447 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 1: here at an intense speed. He was the fastest I'm 448 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 1: sure of any wide receiver we ever had. He had 449 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:14,879 Speaker 1: wonderful hands, but he played in an era when defense 450 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 1: was allowed to bump and hold up the wide receiver. 451 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 1: They could keep their hands on the wide receiver all 452 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 1: the way down the field, and that made it much 453 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 1: tougher to throw the ball during that era. If Isaac 454 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 1: had played in today's era, I wonder how anyone would 455 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:42,879 Speaker 1: have stopped him. But he was a great player, a 456 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:51,880 Speaker 1: good person, and if I had starting all time Bengals team, 457 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,679 Speaker 1: he would be on it. Mike. A key player on 458 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,440 Speaker 1: your first Super Bowl team was a gangly rookie wide 459 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 1: receiver from the University of Florida named Chris Collins. Yeah, 460 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 1: Chris uh. They have lots of memories at Chris, and 461 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 1: they date back to when he paraded across the stage 462 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:15,440 Speaker 1: at the combine. In those days, the combine was more primitive. 463 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 1: There were actually two of them. The league had one 464 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:23,119 Speaker 1: group of teams and one combine, and another group of 465 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: teams in a different combine. But we were down there 466 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:34,159 Speaker 1: watching Chris at the Tampa Bay Bucks Complex and he 467 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 1: walked out in the group of scouts much smaller in 468 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:43,399 Speaker 1: those days, just one small room. But they all began 469 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 1: to laugh because Chris looked like a drowned rat. He 470 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 1: was six five and about one hundred and eighty five 471 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 1: if then, and he, instead of being offended, laughed back, 472 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 1: which made in him pression. He didn't care what you thought. 473 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:07,920 Speaker 1: And then when we got him here for the first time, 474 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 1: you knew immediately that he was a special player because 475 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 1: he was not only tall, he was quick out of 476 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: the break and you could see that right away he'd 477 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 1: get separation. And of course he was a very smart player. 478 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:30,360 Speaker 1: When you put those things together, you had a pro 479 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:34,439 Speaker 1: Bowl player, and that's what he was for us. Do 480 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 1: you enjoy listening to him as a broadcaster some of 481 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 1: the time. He's a good brother. He's very very talented, 482 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,239 Speaker 1: and he has a quick mind, you can see it. 483 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 1: And he's got a good sense of humor. He's insightful 484 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 1: and surprising ways at times. He's the top of the 485 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 1: group there. He's just has proven that to everybody. We're 486 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:04,640 Speaker 1: looking at some of the great wide receivers en franchise 487 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 1: history with Mike Brown. Your second Super Bowl team had 488 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:10,439 Speaker 1: Collinsworth on one side, and the nineteen eighty five Rookie 489 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,640 Speaker 1: of the Year Eddie Brown on the other In that 490 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 1: season nineteen eighty eight, he averaged twenty four yards per catch. 491 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 1: It's still a record for a player that had fifty 492 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 1: or more receptions. Eddie was extremely fast, quick, He was 493 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 1: really hugely gifted. The thing that came along to make 494 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,440 Speaker 1: it hard on him was he had what was called 495 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 1: gamekeeper's thumbs. His hands were injured in such a way 496 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 1: that he lost the strength of his grip. Football hit 497 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 1: his hands, his thumb would give way backwards and it 498 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 1: actually hit both hands. If you judged him healthy, he 499 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 1: would have been right up there with Isaac. The thing 500 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 1: he had was extreme quickness. He was one of those guys. 501 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:13,360 Speaker 1: I used the phrase jump frame, and that dates back 502 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 1: to the old movie days, where you had frame upon 503 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,400 Speaker 1: frame in a film, and with him, you would see 504 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 1: him in one frame and then you'd see him all 505 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 1: of a sudden, a couple of yards away. How'd he 506 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 1: get there? Well, he was a quick He got it done. 507 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,159 Speaker 1: The franchise record for touchdowns scored in a season belongs 508 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:35,640 Speaker 1: to a wide receiver with shall we say, a prickly personality, 509 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:41,119 Speaker 1: Carl Pickens. Carl was a great athlete. He could jump 510 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 1: out of the room. He was a high jumper. I 511 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 1: think he could clear seven feet in the high jump. 512 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: Our attack with him was just to throw the ball 513 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,919 Speaker 1: in his general direction and he'd come up with it. 514 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 1: He could get above the other guys. We came up 515 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,679 Speaker 1: with that blooper ball and we'd throw it way down field. 516 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:07,199 Speaker 1: You don't see it today, but our deep pass was 517 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:11,400 Speaker 1: truly sixty five yards down field, and these other guys, 518 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 1: the defensive backs for the other teams, would get lost 519 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 1: underneath it. And Carl had a marvelous way of knowing 520 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 1: where the ball was and judging his position to catch it. 521 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 1: He made a lot of great plays for us. The 522 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 1: all time franchise record holder for receptions, yards and touchdowns 523 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:34,400 Speaker 1: as Chad Johnson. What is his Bengals legacy? We all 524 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:42,119 Speaker 1: Chad was unusual. He got separation and Carson and he 525 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 1: and their days here when they were both functioning at 526 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 1: their best, were unstoppable. Chad would go down on that 527 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:57,160 Speaker 1: seventeen eighteen yard in break and Carson would put that 528 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:02,400 Speaker 1: ball into him, and then all hell break loose. People 529 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 1: would be running into each other. Chad would be threatening 530 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 1: to run right through it all. It was a terrific 531 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:18,040 Speaker 1: combination for us. Chad brought with him his propensity for 532 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:25,120 Speaker 1: showman ship, and at times even I laughed. You took 533 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 1: Chad in the second round of the two thousand and 534 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 1: one draft, and then the seventh round you made one 535 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 1: of the great late draft picks in franchise history in 536 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 1: t J. Hushmanzata. Yeah. TJ was a smart receiver. He 537 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 1: thought he was fast, and I guess that was enough. 538 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 1: He was fast because he never lacked for confidence about 539 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 1: what he was going to do or where he was 540 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 1: going to be. He and Chad were terrific combination, and 541 00:28:55,600 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 1: I would put TJ in the X smart department as well. 542 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 1: He knew what he was about. Everything was thought out 543 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 1: with him. They were a great duo and especially hard 544 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 1: to stop when paired with a laid great Chris Henry Well. 545 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 1: Chris could run and he had a long reach radius, 546 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 1: a catching radius was extraordinary. But if he caught up 547 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 1: to you, if you were a defensive back and he 548 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 1: got alongside of you, it was all over. He'd just 549 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 1: run away. And when we had him as part of 550 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 1: the mix, part of the combination we had on the field, 551 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 1: it scared the other team. They had to accommodate for 552 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 1: him because they didn't want to pass going over their heads. 553 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 1: They didn't want a quick score that opened things for 554 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 1: everybody else. So that was what he brought to the 555 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 1: mix that takes us to the present day and a 556 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 1: J Green at this point? Do you put him up 557 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 1: there with Isaac Curtis on the list of the franchises 558 00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 1: all time best wide receivers. If I had a starting 559 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 1: all time Bengals team, he'd be on it. He brings 560 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:09,480 Speaker 1: a different package. He's fast, but not as fast as Easy. 561 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 1: He's quick, but not as quick as Chad. He has 562 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 1: a tremendous catching radius and a very competitive spirit. You 563 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 1: feel really secure with him on one side. They have 564 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 1: to overplay him. They know if they don't they're in trouble. 565 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 1: And yes, you're right when you say we've had a 566 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 1: number of top white outs over the years. I think 567 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 1: probably that is a position where we've had more than 568 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 1: our share of great players. I always enjoy this. Thanks 569 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 1: for the time, good to visit, and that's going to 570 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 1: do it for this week's podcast. If you haven't done 571 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 1: so already, don't forget to subscribe on iTunes, Stitch your Google, 572 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 1: Spotify or pod Bean and if you have a couple 573 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 1: of minutes, give it a rating or leave a comment. 574 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 1: Your feedback's great in five star ratings help more Bengals 575 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 1: fans find this podcast. I'm Dan Horde and thank you 576 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 1: for listening to the Bengals Booth podcast