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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from coast to coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: We were talking about you and your crew rolling up

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Speaker 2: on this crazy light that you see in nineteen seventy

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Speaker 2: five in the forest in Arizona outside of Hebrew, or

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Speaker 2: in Heber, and the crew kind of backed off, you

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Speaker 2: kind of went forward and you feel a shock in

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Speaker 2: what the crew sees is a giant light hit you.

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Speaker 2: Some say that it's the brightest thing that they've ever seen.

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Speaker 2: You see this craft and the light coming from the craft,

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Speaker 2: and now you're right in the middle of the light.

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Speaker 2: And when I'm watching the documentary, they say that it

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Speaker 2: looked like what you see the animation look like where

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Speaker 2: you're literally getting pulled up and they just assumed that

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Speaker 2: you had to have been dead. Is that pretty much

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Speaker 2: what you hear from the crew.

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Speaker 3: Well, it blasted me back through the air. And they

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Speaker 3: did say that they were yelling at each other, let's go,

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Speaker 3: I'm swearing, you know, a lot of swearing, but it

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Speaker 3: killed in. Let's get this sob moving. And you know,

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Speaker 3: they were criticized for not being more heroic, but it

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Speaker 3: was so violent. It threw me like twenty feet and

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Speaker 3: they said my body fell like a sack of meat,

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Speaker 3: like a just totally limp, and they said that I

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Speaker 3: looked dead.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, let's let me ask you about that.

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Speaker 3: With them for leaving the scene. And the movie shows

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Speaker 3: that Mike invites the crew to get out when it's

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Speaker 3: time we got to go back and see if we

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Speaker 3: can help him. And they didn't get out and wait

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Speaker 3: for Mike in the dark like in the movie. They

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Speaker 3: none of them were willing to get out of the truck.

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Speaker 3: They all went back with Mike to see if they

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Speaker 3: could see if I was still.

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Speaker 2: Alive, and it sounds like they saw other cars passing,

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Speaker 2: so they thought, well, maybe those were hunters out there

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Speaker 2: since it was deer season. Maybe they're heading towards the

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Speaker 2: same light that they saw, and maybe you got strengthened numbers.

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Speaker 2: They were kind of thinking about that as well.

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, they did see one one hunter vehicle and

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Speaker 3: they tried to chase it down but couldn't catch up

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Speaker 3: to it.

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Speaker 2: But I mean that had to be hairwing for them too.

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Speaker 3: That's what they say that they were under suspicion of murder.

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Speaker 3: The police were, you know, extremely you know, giveing them

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Speaker 3: the third degree, and my family members also, so they

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Speaker 3: were really under the gun, you know, John, some of

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Speaker 3: the guys on the crew to talk about walking down

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Speaker 3: the street and have people yell out the window murderer.

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Speaker 3: You know, so this is and where to hide the body?

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Speaker 2: Well, what we can tell our audience here too is

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Speaker 2: you were gone for five and a half days, I mean,

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Speaker 2: and the police totally thought that there was some fight

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Speaker 2: amongst the crew and that they killed you and just

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Speaker 2: hid the body somewhere. So even though they're telling all

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Speaker 2: the same story, they're all saying, no, here's what happened,

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Speaker 2: and nobody believes us, But here's what happened.

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Speaker 3: You know, if you had seven people say that they

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Speaker 3: had witnessed a murder and all told the same story

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Speaker 3: without police light detector tests, that would be an open shutcase.

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Speaker 3: They have that many people saying sticking to the same

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Speaker 3: story for forty nine years. But it was beyond that.

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Speaker 3: They are all passed light detector tests, and it wasn't

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Speaker 3: a group of buddies. You know. Some of the guys

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Speaker 3: had only been on the crew for three days, so,

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Speaker 3: you know, and we've had conflicts, you know. I think

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Speaker 3: that's the reason Alan was more suspected of having murdered

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Speaker 3: me because I had gotten in a fight with him

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Speaker 3: that morning, just kind of not real serious fight, but

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Speaker 3: you know, an argument about a girl that he was

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Speaker 3: trying to lure away from me by, you know, saying

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Speaker 3: things about me that weren't true.

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Speaker 2: It's always about a girl, isn't it, Travis.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. He tried to do a spin kick

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Speaker 3: the crew was laughing at him. But it didn't get

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Speaker 3: out of hand at that point because you know, the

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Speaker 2: Well I'm thinking too, Alan, especially well, well maybe not especially,

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Speaker 2: So that's got to be PTSD. And then I don't know,

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Speaker 2: I would be afraid if I was being questioned by

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Speaker 2: to explain. So you got to have a little bit

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Speaker 2: of empathy for what those guys were going through back

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Speaker 2: on Earth, as they say, where I might have done

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Speaker 2: the same thing I might have taken off too. In fact,

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Speaker 2: part of me wonders if maybe what shot from that

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Speaker 2: to fix you in some way.

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Speaker 3: Maybe maybe that I later came up with. At the time,

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Speaker 3: I you know, I just interpreted as you know, invading monsters,

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Speaker 3: just you know, abducting someone. But I realize now that

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Speaker 3: most likely they took me aboard because they were the

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Speaker 3: only ones that could save my life at that point.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm sure if you ended up in

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Speaker 2: a in a you know, an urgent care and flag staff,

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Speaker 2: they wouldn't know what to do with being blasted by

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Speaker 2: a you know, one foot wide blue laser beam.

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Speaker 3: You would think that, would you know, if these beings

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Speaker 3: had dumped me on some asteroids somewhere, you know, they

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Speaker 3: would go down in history as a murder by a

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Speaker 3: logging crew. And you know, it was simple. But the

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Speaker 3: obviously I think they they they want to be low

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Speaker 3: key about their presence here, but in order to save

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Speaker 3: my life. Now, it was an exceptional situation to be

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Speaker 2: When I talk about your story, you know, even including

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Speaker 2: in my own house, people think, well, I've read that

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Speaker 2: he knew that the National Inquirer had a you know,

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Speaker 2: ten thousand dollars award for people who could prove that

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Speaker 2: they had an alien story. So why can't just five

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Speaker 2: people or seven people coroborate that and split the money

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Speaker 2: and one of them, you know, just get stoned and

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Speaker 2: hides in the cabin somewhere for five days and then

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Speaker 2: we all coroborate the story. What doesn't make sense to

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Speaker 2: me is that you guys haven't changed that story in

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Speaker 2: the last fifty years. And it's not like you all

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Speaker 2: hung out right afterwards either. Everybody sort of lost touch.

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Speaker 2: So what would be the point of that? But what

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Speaker 2: do you say to people who say you just did

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Speaker 2: it for you made up the story for the Inquirer.

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Speaker 2: What would you tell them?

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Speaker 3: We weren't aware of that kind of stuff. We weren't

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Speaker 3: that into it. It was just kind of like one of

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Speaker 3: stories about Bigfoot, there's you know, just in passing. There's

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Speaker 3: jillions of subjects, and we weren't focused narrowly on the

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Speaker 3: paranormal or anything like that. But it was just seven

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Speaker 3: people sticking by their stories. Actually, my mother and my

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Speaker 3: nine or more people passing multiple tests. And Steve says

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Speaker 3: that every time he got a new wife, he took

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Speaker 3: a new polygraph test. So I don't know the details

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Speaker 3: of that, but it was consistent that the state police

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Speaker 3: polygraph examiner was absolutely certain that we were telling the truth.

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Speaker 2: That when you go missing, I take the crew with

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Speaker 2: the police go back to what would be the scene

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Speaker 2: of the disappearance, right they are they not go back

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Speaker 2: at all?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they went back. I think there was some reluctance.

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Speaker 3: I think. I think they said that some of them

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Speaker 3: went back with the with the police, and some of

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Speaker 3: them took the crew truck on home and to let

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Speaker 3: family know why they weren't coming home after work. But

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Speaker 3: it was Yeah, in the movie they said, oh well,

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Speaker 3: well we'll go back in the morning. But in real

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Speaker 3: life they went back that night too.

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Speaker 2: How close is the movie to your experience?

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Speaker 3: Well, it takes liberties. You know, there was actually seven

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Speaker 3: of us, and in the movie there's only five. You know,

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Speaker 3: it helps to simplify the script. And you know, like

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Speaker 3: I said, you know, having everybody go back out that

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Speaker 3: night and then again the next day, you know, to

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Speaker 2: Well, when you're watching it, though, are you having some

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Speaker 3: Oh? Definitely, you know, it captures the feeling that we

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Speaker 3: experienced at the time. Now, if we do a remake

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Speaker 3: of the movie, I wanted to be more closer to

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Speaker 3: some other details that you know, actually weren't We weren't

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Speaker 2: As time goes by, the memories of that moment, I know,

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Speaker 2: you've been under hypnosis and things like that. Do the

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Speaker 2: events leading up to it and then during the five days,

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Speaker 2: did they become more clearer or do they start fading away?

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Speaker 3: Well, they neither faded nor became clear. I guess. You know,

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Speaker 3: in the in the months afterwards, I was doing so

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Speaker 3: many interviews that I started having some dreams that you know.

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Speaker 3: I went to some of the researcher and asked them,

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Speaker 3: thought that might be memories coming back and the story change.

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Speaker 3: The opinion changed at that time. Yeah, I guess it

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Speaker 2: So let's talk about what did happen. Once you get

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Speaker 2: left for dead. Then at some point you wake up,

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Speaker 2: but you think you're in a hospital. Tell me what

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Speaker 3: At first, it wasn't all that uncomfortable. I just thought

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Speaker 3: I was, you know, injured. First I didn't know where

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Speaker 3: remembered approaching that object and that stunning force, and I thought, well,

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Speaker 3: the you know, breathing was difficult. It was I felt

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Speaker 3: like I was dying. And you know, there was a

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Speaker 3: hurt to look at it, so I didn't try to

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Speaker 3: keep looking around at first, And then I could make

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Speaker 3: out the forms of what I thought were doctors, and

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Speaker 3: then then it was these these creatures, these non human beings.

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Speaker 2: Well, now, so when do you see that? What's going

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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 2: You're you've gone from groggy to hyper awake.

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Speaker 3: I would think, yeah, shot adrenaline a big time, and

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Speaker 3: I just I started screaming and flailing at them, grabbing objects,

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Speaker 3: some of their stuff, and uh, the thing they had

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Speaker 3: laying on my chest fell off. But I was paying

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Speaker 2: What did they look like?

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Speaker 3: Well, they were they weren't huge. They were small beings,

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Speaker 3: hairless with huge eyes.

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Speaker 2: Like the grays. Is that what?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, they didn't call them then that back then

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Speaker 2: But what we would typically see is like the alien

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Speaker 2: the drawing that we see.

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Speaker 3: That's been a much more common description nowadays. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: I think, you know, my own personal theory is that

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Speaker 3: probably the alignment of descriptions that you encounter, people that

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Speaker 3: see the beings could actually be seeing species that just

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Speaker 3: happen to be very similar, but not really maybe necessarily

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Speaker 2: I think that Why did you think though, as soon

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Speaker 2: as you woke up and you said you were sort

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Speaker 2: of looking for a weapon, even though they didn't look human,

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Speaker 2: What made you think that they weren't there to help

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Speaker 2: you right away? What? What? Because of the pain that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was the pain, the feeling of trapped and

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Speaker 3: the feeling of suffocation, like Okay, I was dying, so

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Speaker 3: I was going to attack them to be you know,

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Speaker 3: because I thought they wouldn't be attacking me.

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Speaker 2: And none of the tools, our instruments looked like they

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Speaker 2: were from a typical operating room. No, no, Scoppel. They

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Speaker 2: looked completely otherworldly.

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Speaker 3: To you recognized but some kinds of utensils. I was

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Speaker 3: mainly focused on them and what they their intentions seemed

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Speaker 3: to be, and how.

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Speaker 2: Did they react to you freaking out?

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Speaker 3: No change in expression, They just turned and went out.

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Speaker 2: Well they left, they left the room, or they whatever

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Speaker 2: wherever you were.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know, I had I come up with

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Speaker 3: a theory about that too, because if these beings are telepathic,

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Speaker 3: the idea that they would have facial expressions like friendly

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Speaker 3: something that wouldn't be a part of their communication.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's true, and I guess the idea of communicating

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Speaker 2: with you isn't really on the agenda. If they whatever

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Speaker 2: they're there.

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Speaker 3: For, when they won't see any change in expression, a

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Speaker 3: stone face expression. We interpret that as hostility, and in

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Speaker 3: that case maybe maybe not so, but it took me

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Speaker 2: At this point, do you still have on the clothes

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, I was still in my word clothes. And

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Speaker 3: of course Hollywood's got a you know, did the whole

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean they had dB Sweeney playing you. I

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Speaker 2: mean they wanted to show you, had to show off

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Speaker 2: the goods.

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Speaker 3: There was worse stuff that was actually cut out, but

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Speaker 3: oh of the movie.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So you when you are in this other place,

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Speaker 2: I don't think you probably don't know that you're in

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Speaker 2: the craft yet. You just don't don't know where you are,

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Speaker 2: So you are you? So you sit up kind of

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Speaker 2: waving whatever you can, you know, knock off a piece

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Speaker 2: of around and make it look like a weapon. And

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Speaker 2: they leave the room. Do you get up and go

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Speaker 2: after them or start looking around to see where you are?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I wanted to get out of there, and but

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Speaker 3: at that moment this other person came in, I took

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Speaker 3: it to be somebody from Earth based military air force,

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