WEBVTT - Ep 2: Harlem Czarina

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<v Speaker 1>Novel.

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<v Speaker 2>I knew I wanted to be a writer very early

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<v Speaker 2>in life. By the time I was seven years old,

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<v Speaker 2>there were no more dreams of being a cowgirl in

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<v Speaker 2>outer space. Instead, I pretended to smoke pencils over imaginary typewriters.

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<v Speaker 2>I've always been a voracious reader, and I soon gravitated

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<v Speaker 2>toward the writers of the Harlem Renaissance, that cultural movement

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<v Speaker 2>of the nineteen twenties and thirties that established Black Americans

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<v Speaker 2>as taste makers, especially in regards to the arts. During

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<v Speaker 2>one of my more rebellious moments of junior high school,

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<v Speaker 2>I wrote out the full poem of Harlem Renaissance writer

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<v Speaker 2>Claude McKay's If We Must Die on my homeroom's chalkboard.

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<v Speaker 2>If we must die, let it not be like hogs

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<v Speaker 2>hunted and pinned in an inglorious spot. It's a poem

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<v Speaker 2>of defiance. Basically, if we go out, we're not going

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<v Speaker 2>out like a bunch of suckers. That day in home room,

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<v Speaker 2>I was fascinated by this era of the past, and

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<v Speaker 2>it was helping me aspire toward an imaginary future for myself.

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<v Speaker 2>I saw the Harlem Renaissance as the epitome of what

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<v Speaker 2>an artist community could look like.

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<v Speaker 3>I'd like to tell people, welcome to Harlem. Are you

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<v Speaker 3>a local Harlem?

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<v Speaker 2>Every now and then? Because there is it's you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like an hour on the train. Even though I've

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<v Speaker 2>been living in New York for over six years, I've

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<v Speaker 2>yet to do any official tourist thing like take a

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<v Speaker 2>guided walk through Harlem. So I went uptown and let

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<v Speaker 2>a professional show me around.

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<v Speaker 3>I like to tell people no place in the world

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<v Speaker 3>has contributed more to American history and world history than Harlem.

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<v Speaker 2>When I first cut up to my tour guide, Carolyn Johnson,

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<v Speaker 2>I knew I'd be in good hands. Tall and slim,

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<v Speaker 2>Carolyn was dressed simply for a warm day of walking, jeans,

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<v Speaker 2>a light denim jacket, and sensible shoes. She was on

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<v Speaker 2>the phone ironing out a little business wrinkle while indicating

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<v Speaker 2>I should approach her, and while speaking to folks passing by.

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<v Speaker 3>Excuse me, miss, I'm doing yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>She radiated all the energy of a quintessential multitasking New Yorker.

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<v Speaker 1>And you're born to raise a hall.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I couldn't think of living any fresh outghborhood.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was really excited about the tour, but also

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<v Speaker 2>afraid I'd be disappointed. Time and gentrification aren't friendly to

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<v Speaker 2>historically black neighborhoods. I didn't want to see a slick

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<v Speaker 2>coffee shop that doesn't take care standing in the place

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<v Speaker 2>where the activist Marcus Garvey may have delivered Pan African speeches,

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<v Speaker 2>or where writer Nella Larson may have once typed out

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<v Speaker 2>her manuscript for passing. Instead, I got to see that

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of buildings remain virtually unchanged, like the building

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<v Speaker 2>where activist poet James Walden Johnson and his brother Jay

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<v Speaker 2>Rosamond Johnson wrote Lift Every Voice and sing.

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<v Speaker 3>James Weldon Johnson, Yes, Olivia.

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<v Speaker 2>It took my breath to learn that the ashes of

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<v Speaker 2>Langston Hughes, one of the most prominent voices of the

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<v Speaker 2>Harlem Renaissance, are intereered in the floor of the Schomberg

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<v Speaker 2>Center for Research in Black Culture.

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<v Speaker 3>In between Lenox and Seventh we had over one hundred

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<v Speaker 3>and thirty restaurants, bar speakeasy, east, churches and establishments.

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<v Speaker 2>I saw the home of jazz pioneer Fat Swaller, the

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<v Speaker 2>studio of the great photographer James vandersey So.

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<v Speaker 3>On this street. Down the block is where Billy Holliday

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<v Speaker 3>was to stop, but it's still standing. It's not as

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<v Speaker 3>Phill's place today Bill Factory.

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<v Speaker 2>As the tour continued, I realized I was hearing a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of names I already knew, and not the one

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<v Speaker 2>I was hoping to learn more about. I was walking

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<v Speaker 2>the same streets Eunice Hunting once walked, but my tour

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<v Speaker 2>guide hadn't mentioned her yet. Where was Eunice?

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<v Speaker 3>Do you have one hundred and thirty third Street? Swing Street?

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<v Speaker 3>They called it Jungle Alley? And that's what a real

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<v Speaker 3>party was.

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<v Speaker 2>What does she get into as a young woman fresh

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<v Speaker 2>out of college?

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<v Speaker 1>Where did she sweat her hair out?

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<v Speaker 2>I came to Harlem hoping for a glimpse of Unice

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<v Speaker 2>and the neighborhood she moved to in the nineteen twenties,

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<v Speaker 2>which quickly became her playground and the vibrancy of her youth,

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<v Speaker 2>and would go on to be her home for the

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<v Speaker 2>majority of her life. But amongst this celebration of Harlem's past,

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<v Speaker 2>the ghost of her memory seemed determined to stay just

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<v Speaker 2>out of reach. That is until I asked my tour guide,

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<v Speaker 2>Carolyn about a particular building four O nine edgecomb Avenue.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't a stop on the tour.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, we can go up there. You can take that

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<v Speaker 3>two bus right up there, drop you right off in

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<v Speaker 3>front of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course Carolyn knew of it.

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<v Speaker 3>They're a good marshalltt W de Boys, Walter White. That

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<v Speaker 3>was like the eight building.

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<v Speaker 2>Ever since the nineteen twenties, the movers and shakers of

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<v Speaker 2>Harlem had lived at four O nine Edgecomb Avenue. One

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<v Speaker 2>day that would include Unice two. When I think about Unis,

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<v Speaker 2>it can feel like someone is humming a few bars

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<v Speaker 2>of a song I used to know, but now I

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<v Speaker 2>can't remember the lyrics. But here finally was a glimpse

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<v Speaker 2>of Unis, like always perpetually just around the next corner,

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<v Speaker 2>out of reach and a little overshadowed by her neighbors,

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<v Speaker 2>but still here amidst the Harlem renaissance.

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<v Speaker 3>Here, this is where we live. This is where it

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<v Speaker 3>all happened.

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<v Speaker 2>From the teams at iHeartRadio and Novel, I'm Nicole Perkins

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<v Speaker 2>and this is the Godmother Episode two Harlem Czarina tucked

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<v Speaker 2>between funeral notices and municipal updates of a nineteen twenty

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<v Speaker 2>three edition of The Yonkers Herald as a small article.

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<v Speaker 2>It's an announcement. Nine thousand invitations have been issued for

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<v Speaker 2>the largest black wedding ever held in the country. The

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<v Speaker 2>bride to be is the prominent and extremely wealthy socialite,

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<v Speaker 2>Miss May Walker Robinson. Her grandmother, Madame C. J. Walker,

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<v Speaker 2>is a hair care product pioneer and the first American

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<v Speaker 2>female entrepreneur of any race to become a millionaire. The

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<v Speaker 2>Walker Robinson's were a big deal in Harlem nineteen twenty three,

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<v Speaker 2>and the wedding makes headlines across the country, especially in

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<v Speaker 2>the Black press.

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<v Speaker 4>All of these other black institutions of the public sphere

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<v Speaker 4>in the twenties and thirties look to the Black press

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<v Speaker 4>to sort of keep their pulse on what is hot

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<v Speaker 4>and sexy culturally, but also what is hot in terms

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<v Speaker 4>of politics. It's where the stage is being set for

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<v Speaker 4>who the movers and shakers in the society people are.

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<v Speaker 2>Units had been a socialite herself from a young age.

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<v Speaker 2>The Huntings didn't have the Walker Robinson's wealth, but her

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<v Speaker 2>parents were still very much a part of the black

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<v Speaker 2>social elite. In an article from The New York Age

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen twenty three, there's a picture of May Walker

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<v Speaker 2>Robinson on her wedding day, seated in her wedding dress,

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<v Speaker 2>surrounded by bridesmaids and flower girls in glossy sheer, decadent,

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<v Speaker 2>bright dresses, replete with headdresses and bouquets. And if you

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<v Speaker 2>look closely, there in the back row, along a line

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<v Speaker 2>of other women honored with the role of bridesmaid, second

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<v Speaker 2>from the right, head turned slightly, eyes on something just

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<v Speaker 2>beyond the camera, is Eunice Hunting. It's not clear whether

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<v Speaker 2>Eunice in May would have really been friends, if the

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<v Speaker 2>number of bridesmaids is anything to go by, but her

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<v Speaker 2>inclusion was a mark of her emerging importance in this

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<v Speaker 2>elite circle. Eunice was slotting into the high falutine social

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<v Speaker 2>circle of black women, sometimes referred to as the czarinas

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<v Speaker 2>their every move was covered breath by the Black press

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<v Speaker 2>at the time, read not just by New Yorkers, but

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<v Speaker 2>by black people all across the country.

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<v Speaker 4>Whose wedding were they at, what were they wearing? Where

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<v Speaker 4>did they dine that evening? And in the next breath

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<v Speaker 4>a really cutting line about a choice that they made,

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<v Speaker 4>either politically, professionally or in terms of what they wore.

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<v Speaker 4>Even they have to be exemplars. They're supposed to be exceptional,

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<v Speaker 4>and they're also supposed to be engaging in behaviors that

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<v Speaker 4>help further the race right. There isn't a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>space for people to just be individuals and say, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't care about that race thing over there.

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<v Speaker 2>With William and Addie Hunts and as parents, Unice would

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<v Speaker 2>have been better prepared than most for this kind of pressure.

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<v Speaker 2>She had already lived a truly exceptional life after fleeing

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<v Speaker 2>the terrors of the nineteen oh six Atlanta race massacre.

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<v Speaker 1>As a young.

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<v Speaker 2>Girl, she'd lived in Germany, attended a predominantly white college,

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<v Speaker 2>and graduated with two degrees all by the time she

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<v Speaker 2>arrived in Harlem aged twenty five. It's possible that Unice's

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<v Speaker 2>class and education made her a little sheltered at first.

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<v Speaker 5>I think she.

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<v Speaker 6>Didn't know what to expect in the real world. It

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<v Speaker 6>wasn't a matter of just living in Harlem. It was

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<v Speaker 6>a matter of going out in the community because that

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<v Speaker 6>was her job.

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<v Speaker 2>Pretty soon after graduating, Unice took up a job as

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<v Speaker 2>a social worker with Family Services in New York and

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<v Speaker 2>New Jersey. Work would bring her in contact with a

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<v Speaker 2>whole new sphere of black life.

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<v Speaker 7>By the nineteen twenties, Harlem was referred to as being

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<v Speaker 7>like the capital of the black world.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, so picture it mid nineteen twenties, Harlem. It's

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<v Speaker 2>Sunday morning. Unice Hunting, twenty five years old, a social worker,

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<v Speaker 2>a socialite. She leaves her trendy apartment and walks south

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<v Speaker 2>to one hundred and thirty fifth Street, Or maybe she

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<v Speaker 2>takes the number three train and uses the minute she

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<v Speaker 2>saves to stand in awe of the magic of the

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<v Speaker 2>black mecca that sits before her.

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<v Speaker 8>She would have seen on one corner black communists standing

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<v Speaker 8>on a soapbox talking about the revolution. On the other

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<v Speaker 8>soapbox across the corner, she would have seen traditional politicians

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<v Speaker 8>urging African Americans to leave the Republican Party and come

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<v Speaker 8>join the Democratic Party. On the third street corner, she

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<v Speaker 8>would have seen a religious figure, maybe the guy called

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<v Speaker 8>the Barefoot Prophet, who was telling everyone they better get

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<v Speaker 8>with Jesus right away or they're can be going to Hell.

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<v Speaker 8>And on the fourth corner, those would have been the

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<v Speaker 8>race nationalists.

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<v Speaker 2>The community of Harlem, unlike many of the spaces units

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<v Speaker 2>must have been used to by that time, was full

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<v Speaker 2>of diverse black life.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, Harlem becomes this place where African Americans have

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<v Speaker 7>a chance to remake themselves all over again, securing better jobs,

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<v Speaker 7>better wages, and even housing conditions. Is all really a

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<v Speaker 7>dream from many people.

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<v Speaker 2>But many of those new arria to the neighborhood soon

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<v Speaker 2>found themselves falling into systemic traps which don't sound all

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<v Speaker 2>that different from the racism Unis and her family had

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<v Speaker 2>left in the South.

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<v Speaker 7>Those dreams are complicated by Jim Crow North. They're complicated

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<v Speaker 7>by police violence. They are complicated by the thread of

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<v Speaker 7>public violence on the street.

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<v Speaker 2>Between nineteen ten and nineteen thirty, the number of Black

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<v Speaker 2>people living in just that one and a half square

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<v Speaker 2>mile of central Harlem increased eight times over, from a

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<v Speaker 2>little over eighteen thousand to nearly one hundred and fifty thousand.

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<v Speaker 2>The Big Apple offered new beginnings and opportunities.

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<v Speaker 7>There are countless shops, clubs, tenement housing buildings. Harlem is

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<v Speaker 7>kind of like a melting pot.

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<v Speaker 2>So as Unice walks up one hundred and thirty fifth

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<v Speaker 2>Street that Sunday morning, she can see every facet of

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<v Speaker 2>black life on one corner. From the black elite and

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<v Speaker 2>fur coats knew ready to wear dresses off the rack.

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<v Speaker 6>People at the time got very dressed.

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<v Speaker 2>Up, working class women and freshly laundered hand me downs

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<v Speaker 2>and darned.

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<v Speaker 7>Stockings, donning the best that they have in their closet.

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<v Speaker 2>All the good time boys and girls and their flashiest

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<v Speaker 2>silks and softest hankies.

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<v Speaker 6>It was part of the whole atmosphere where you wore

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<v Speaker 6>wonderful clothes. You know, you wanted impress each other.

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<v Speaker 2>When I think about the hair of nineteen twenties Harlem,

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<v Speaker 2>I think of the expression fried died and laid to

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<v Speaker 2>the side. Keeping straight hair was a matter of pride

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<v Speaker 2>and professionalism, regardless of the kind of job you had.

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<v Speaker 2>Fingerways and big body bobs were all the rage. Kinks

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<v Speaker 2>and tight curls weren't appreciated as much as they are today.

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<v Speaker 7>We also see women dawning like not necessarily afros, but

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<v Speaker 7>natural hair meaning no chemicals, and you may see women

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<v Speaker 7>with pressed hair.

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<v Speaker 2>I avoided moving to New York for as long as

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<v Speaker 2>I could. I didn't think my country self could handle

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<v Speaker 2>all the excitement. Sometimes I can't, but I hope Eunice

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<v Speaker 2>fully enjoyed all that nighttime. Harlem had to offer with

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<v Speaker 2>red lipstick, finger waves, and a breezy dress made to

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<v Speaker 2>flutter around the Charleston and Lindy hop all night. Moving

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<v Speaker 2>to Harlem, especially at this point in this history and

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<v Speaker 2>at the age Unis was, must have felt exciting. What

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<v Speaker 2>would those communists, preachers, partiers, and fur coat wearing socialites

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<v Speaker 2>rushing by have seen when they looked back at Unice.

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<v Speaker 2>I like to think she was the kind of young

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<v Speaker 2>woman who yearned to be at the center of all

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<v Speaker 2>this action.

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<v Speaker 1>I like to think that she felt herself to be

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<v Speaker 1>at the foot of a great hill.

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<v Speaker 2>But did she know yet which path would lead her

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<v Speaker 2>into her new life? For now, Unice's parents had offered

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<v Speaker 2>her a road map of sorts, but the glamor of

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<v Speaker 2>the Harlem Renaissance must have exerted a powerful pull. There's

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<v Speaker 2>a writer of the Harlem Renaissance era that reminds me

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<v Speaker 2>of Unus Zora nil Hurston and Zora nil Hurston's fiction.

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<v Speaker 2>With her anthropological attention to dialogue, I found images of

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<v Speaker 2>the women elders in my family. She made me want

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<v Speaker 2>to know more about my family member's internal worlds and

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<v Speaker 2>wonder what they may have seen her novel. Their eyes

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<v Speaker 2>were watching. God made me realize my elders had whole

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<v Speaker 2>lives before I knew them. It seems silly, but when

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<v Speaker 2>you're young, you know your grandmother is grandmama, and never

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<v Speaker 2>think about the idea that at some point in her

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<v Speaker 2>life she may have taken a much younger lover who

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<v Speaker 2>filled her with renewed passion. Like in the book with

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<v Speaker 2>Zora Neil Hurston, it wasn't just her writings I latched onto.

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<v Speaker 2>It was also the story of her life during the

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<v Speaker 2>Harlem Renaissance. She was a prolific writer an anthropologist, but

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen sixty she died, broke in obscurity, and was

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<v Speaker 2>buried in an unmarked grave. In nineteen seventy three, renowned

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<v Speaker 2>writer Alice Walker, author of The Color Purple, located her

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<v Speaker 2>grave and helped bring Hurston's literary career back to the

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<v Speaker 2>public eye, and it stayed there. How could someone like Zora,

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<v Speaker 2>who was once one of the most popular Black women

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<v Speaker 2>in the country disappear from history so easily. Unics and

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<v Speaker 2>Zora were both outspoken and determined, traits not often appreciated

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<v Speaker 2>in black women. But there's another comparison between the two.

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<v Speaker 2>Ever since her arrival in Harlem in the mid twenties,

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<v Speaker 2>units hadn't just been absorbing the sights and sounds and

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<v Speaker 2>smells of her surroundings. She took to her typewriter with thin,

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<v Speaker 2>ivory sheets of paper and began writing about them.

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<v Speaker 9>Nineteen twenty five. The Corner by Unice Carter. My friend

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<v Speaker 9>lives in the house on the corner. She lives high

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<v Speaker 9>above the street, in a doll's house of white enamel

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<v Speaker 9>and soft blues, with lovely old furniture and oriental rugs

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<v Speaker 9>of faded brilliance on dark polished floors, in a miniature

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<v Speaker 9>home with a real fireplace and polished grasses and flowers

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<v Speaker 9>all about in crystal bowls. She lives high up there,

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<v Speaker 9>but below are the street and the avenue. And one

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<v Speaker 9>fall night, as I waited for her in the loveliest

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<v Speaker 9>room of all, I turned from watching the fire flicker

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<v Speaker 9>and dart across the room, and great chrysanthemums casting sleeping

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<v Speaker 9>shadows on the wall. I turned from this and watched

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<v Speaker 9>the street. It was alive with light and sound, the

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<v Speaker 9>light and sound of the city, the Black City.

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<v Speaker 2>The piece you just heard is called The Corner. It

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<v Speaker 2>was written and published in nineteen twenty five. In it,

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<v Speaker 2>Eunice is writing an insider's account, documenting the sensual experiences

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<v Speaker 2>of living in the neighborhood, sights and sounds that might

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<v Speaker 2>go unnoticed by visiting outsiders. Unice's early writings offer a

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<v Speaker 2>unique perspective to who she was. Her professional and activist

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<v Speaker 2>writings show a determined, educated, even commanding woman, and when

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<v Speaker 2>you add the wings of creativity, her.

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<v Speaker 6>Short stories were wonderful. They were celebrated by some of

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<v Speaker 6>the most prominent writers in Harlem. She for instance, would

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<v Speaker 6>go to some of the cocktail gatherings and it was

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<v Speaker 6>important to her because you couldn't just show up, you

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<v Speaker 6>had to be invited. People would get dressed up. These

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<v Speaker 6>were the top artists of the era, and she became

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<v Speaker 6>part of that because of her writing.

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<v Speaker 2>Eunice Hunting is not a name I remember reading about

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<v Speaker 2>in the library. I'd like to think that it's because

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<v Speaker 2>the era was so full of great talent and the

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<v Speaker 2>world was moving so fast at the time that some

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<v Speaker 2>people fell through history as cracks. But in this moment

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<v Speaker 2>of history, it feels especially important to actively remember black luminaries.

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<v Speaker 2>When I was growing up, Zora nil Hurston's their eyes

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<v Speaker 2>were watching. God was taught in sophomore English classes.

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<v Speaker 1>All over America.

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<v Speaker 2>But as I speak, Black history is being erased from

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<v Speaker 2>schools across the country. Who's to say that Zora nil

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<v Speaker 2>Hurston's work won't be buried again. Writer's works frequently get

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<v Speaker 2>lost to the ravages of time, and I wonder if

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<v Speaker 2>Unics used her fiction, her articles, and reviews as a

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<v Speaker 2>way of carving her name into history's tree trunk. Unice

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<v Speaker 2>was here. Maybe I'm projecting because as a writer myself,

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<v Speaker 2>I hope my work will last. And that's someone one hundred,

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<v Speaker 2>two hundred years from now will scroll through the library

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<v Speaker 2>catalog shipped into their left pink finger, probably and see

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<v Speaker 2>my name and know I existed. In nineteen twenty five,

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<v Speaker 2>Unics had another piece of writing published, but this time,

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<v Speaker 2>unlike the Corner, it was an essay, and unlike the Corner,

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<v Speaker 2>it shows that Unice was looking out to a world

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<v Speaker 2>beyond Harlem. It was called breaking Through.

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<v Speaker 9>Harlem is a modern ghetto. True, that is a contradiction

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<v Speaker 9>in terms, but prejudice has ringed this group with invisible

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<v Speaker 9>lines and bars. Within the bars, you will find a

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<v Speaker 9>small city, self sufficient, complete in itself, a riot of

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<v Speaker 9>color and personality, a medley of song and tears, a

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<v Speaker 9>canvas of browns and golds and flaming reds, and yet bound.

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<v Speaker 9>There is also some tugging from without at the ropes

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<v Speaker 9>that bind the ghetto. It is the result of the

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<v Speaker 9>efforts of the whites, because of curiosity, self interest, a

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<v Speaker 9>spasm of self righteousness, or very rarely genuine interest, to

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<v Speaker 9>establish a contact with those within the ghetto.

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<v Speaker 2>In the essay, Eunice argues in favor of those.

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<v Speaker 9>Who often appear in the first instance to be deserting

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<v Speaker 9>the race.

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<v Speaker 2>And talks about those striving to be the first to

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<v Speaker 2>accomplish something.

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<v Speaker 9>Whereas many who break the bonds are actuated solely by

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<v Speaker 9>the desire to get the best for themselves in spite

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<v Speaker 9>of prescription, a few realize that they are blazing a

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<v Speaker 9>trail that others of the race may follow. The essay

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<v Speaker 9>goes on there is another side of the picture.

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<v Speaker 1>It is a tale of long.

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<v Speaker 9>Dark years, of dismal failure, of brave struggles to rise

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<v Speaker 9>above mediocrity, of bitter fights for existence, A tale twisted

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<v Speaker 9>with heartaches and heartbreaks, a tale drenched in sweat and blood,

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<v Speaker 9>but still shot Through with flashes of sunlight upon pure gold.

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<v Speaker 9>It takes rare courage to fight a fight that more

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<v Speaker 9>often than not ends in death, poverty, or prostitution of genius.

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<v Speaker 9>But it is to these who make this fight, despite

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<v Speaker 9>the tremendous odds, despite the deterring pessimism of those who

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<v Speaker 9>see the tangle of prejudice that surrounds the ghetto, a

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<v Speaker 9>hopeless barrier, that we must look for the breaking of

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<v Speaker 9>the bonds now linked together by ignorance and misunderstanding.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a righteous essay.

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<v Speaker 2>It feels autobiographical and maybe even a bit self aggrandizing

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<v Speaker 2>and smug, like she was telling her readers get like me, kids,

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<v Speaker 2>as if you can. But it seems to show Unice

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<v Speaker 2>starting to turn away from the.

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<v Speaker 9>Riot of color and personality.

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<v Speaker 2>To pursue other goals. You can tell from reading Breaking

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<v Speaker 2>Through that Unice was deeply concerned with the idea of

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<v Speaker 2>her own legacy, and it's interesting to think about it

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<v Speaker 2>in the context of where Unice's life was at in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen twenty five when she wrote this as a twenty

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<v Speaker 2>six year old. You see, she did not sign the

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<v Speaker 2>essay Breaking Through with the name Unice Hunting. She signed

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<v Speaker 2>it Eunice Hunting Carter because by nineteen twenty five, Eunice

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<v Speaker 2>was married.

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<v Speaker 6>She lived in a society where women married and had children.

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<v Speaker 6>That was the way it was.

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<v Speaker 2>Writer, social worker, socialite, and now wife. But these roles

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<v Speaker 2>weren't keeping her satisfied.

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<v Speaker 6>I think Unis did feel very strongly about being role modeled.

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<v Speaker 6>She wrote about it, how it's very important to accomplish

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<v Speaker 6>so people who come beyond you know, this is a woman,

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<v Speaker 6>this is a black person, and she's very successful. I

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<v Speaker 6>can be that way too.

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<v Speaker 2>By this point in Unice's life, she's clearly been formulating

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<v Speaker 2>a plan. Looking back now, Breaking Through can be seen

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<v Speaker 2>as a roadmap she'd written for herself. It outlined a

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<v Speaker 2>strategy that Unice would continually use throughout her life, especially

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<v Speaker 2>the decisions she would make in the final years of

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<v Speaker 2>the Roaring twenties. She wanted to be different. She wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to be a trailblazer. It's nineteen twenty three. Unice meets

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<v Speaker 2>a wealthy man and his name is Lyle Carter.

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<v Speaker 6>He was born and raised in Barbados.

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<v Speaker 2>Lyle arrived in New York City in nineteen thirteen and

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<v Speaker 2>evolved into a prominent figure in Harlem too, in a

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<v Speaker 2>more understated way than Eunice. He'd built his wealth through

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<v Speaker 2>a successful dental practice. Eunice married Lyle in nineteen twenty four.

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<v Speaker 6>She and her husband lived in this beautiful house in Harlem,

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<v Speaker 6>and they liked to entertain.

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<v Speaker 2>Their wedding had been a small, intimate affair, a far

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<v Speaker 2>cry from the lavish May Robinson Walker extravaganza.

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<v Speaker 6>A year or two later, they have a child.

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<v Speaker 2>They named that child Lyle Carter Junior. Eunice's mother, Addie,

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<v Speaker 2>when touring the country for work, had written extensively on

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<v Speaker 2>the roles and responsibilities of black women in American society,

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<v Speaker 2>their roles both at home and in public, while their

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<v Speaker 2>husbands lead the family. And Unice's work does take a

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<v Speaker 2>back seat to Lyle's at this time in the nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five senses, while she's publishing writing as well as

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<v Speaker 2>holding down a social work career. Lyle is listed as

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<v Speaker 2>a dentist and Unice's occupation is simply housewife. I imagine

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<v Speaker 2>this must have rubbed Unis the wrong way. Eunice and

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<v Speaker 2>Lyle would hold social events together and they'd often have

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<v Speaker 2>people over.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean the parties they had in their house. That

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<v Speaker 6>meant a lot to them. I think that bound them

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<v Speaker 6>their devotion to Harlem. They were very well known in

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<v Speaker 6>the community. As you can imagine, the pair of them

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<v Speaker 6>looked good together. On the surface, it probably seemed ideal,

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<v Speaker 6>Eunice and Lyle entertaining the who's who of the Harlem

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<v Speaker 6>Renaissance in their family home. Did Ornel Hurston ever pop by?

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<v Speaker 6>But scratch that surface, there were rumors that Eunice had

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<v Speaker 6>had an affair at some point with the musician. One

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<v Speaker 6>of the writers of the era mentioned in a letter

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<v Speaker 6>that she thought Unice might be gay, which who knows.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, those were the rumors, But what do they

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<v Speaker 6>speak to. They speak to the fact that maybe her

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<v Speaker 6>marriage was not the best.

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<v Speaker 2>For all of her mother ADDIE's advocacy on the role

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<v Speaker 2>of black women in America, her daughter, Eunice Hunt and

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<v Speaker 2>Carter still yearned for more, thanks in part to Addie.

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<v Speaker 6>In many ways, she was a maverick, and Addie her

0:28:32.840 --> 0:28:35.440
<v Speaker 6>mother instilled this in her because Addie was a bit

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<v Speaker 6>of a maverick.

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<v Speaker 2>In her own time. As a young mother, Addie had

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<v Speaker 2>traveled the Deep South alone documenting atrocities. She'd gone to

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<v Speaker 2>Germany with her young family to pursue her own education,

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<v Speaker 2>and later she'd returned to Europe to advocate for black

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<v Speaker 2>soldiers on the front lines of World War One, all remarkable,

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<v Speaker 2>exceptional feats. She never let being a mother stand in

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<v Speaker 2>the way of her ambition, and neither would her daughter.

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<v Speaker 10>Unice was doing social work, she was writing, she married,

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<v Speaker 10>and she had a son who was a good mother,

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<v Speaker 10>a good wife. But I think she wanted to act

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<v Speaker 10>on the world and to be influential and known in

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<v Speaker 10>a different way than she would have been as a

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<v Speaker 10>writer and a social worker.

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<v Speaker 6>So this was a tension I think in her whole life,

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<v Speaker 6>because she was very well educated, she was very smart.

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<v Speaker 5>And she desired to make a greater contribution, to have

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<v Speaker 5>a greater impact.

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<v Speaker 2>By nineteen twenty seven, Unice was twenty eight years old

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<v Speaker 2>and now on the inside looking outside of the Black city,

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<v Speaker 2>and her experiences had made Unis almost uniquely prepared for

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<v Speaker 2>the consequences of the decision she made next.

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<v Speaker 5>Eunice was able to venture into the white realm.

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<v Speaker 2>In nineteen twenty seven, with a young child and a

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<v Speaker 2>fledgling writing career, Eunice decided to go back to school, law.

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<v Speaker 11>School, social work, was very important work, but there were

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<v Speaker 11>a lot of women and black women doing social work

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<v Speaker 11>at the time, and that was not the case at

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<v Speaker 11>all in law.

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<v Speaker 2>From this point in her life forward, Eunice Hunt and

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<v Speaker 2>Carter would leave writing behind. She would never publish another

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<v Speaker 2>piece of creative writing.

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<v Speaker 10>I wouldn't be surprised if she just felt like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 10>I'm leaving that part of my life behind and We're

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<v Speaker 10>going to become a lawyer, or just stop because she

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<v Speaker 10>didn't have time to do it anymore.

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<v Speaker 11>Law was a place where she could really distinguish herself.

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<v Speaker 6>Although she had to have known it was going to

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<v Speaker 6>be an uphill climb.

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<v Speaker 2>And Unis isn't the only one about to undergo a

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<v Speaker 2>major transition. As the Roaring twenties start to draw to

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<v Speaker 2>a close, Harlem itself is changing, and as it does,

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<v Speaker 2>a different side of this world is about to come

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<v Speaker 2>into view. Units may have thought she'd seen a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of what Harlem had to offer, the glitz, the glamour,

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<v Speaker 2>the tradition, and the struggle of those she walked alongside.

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<v Speaker 2>But there were other layers to it too. In Harlem

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<v Speaker 2>and across the city, New York's underworld is about to rise.

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<v Speaker 1>Closer to the surface.

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<v Speaker 7>Lucky Luciano, an Italian immigrant, forms these different alliances. This

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<v Speaker 7>is someone who is interested in really expanding his empire.

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<v Speaker 7>So very much like other white racketeers, the millions of

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<v Speaker 7>dollars that they had made during the late nineteen tens

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<v Speaker 7>and throughout the nineteen twenties dries up, so for many

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<v Speaker 7>of them they have to look for new avenues of income.

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<v Speaker 2>That's coming up in episode three of the Godmother. On

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<v Speaker 2>this episode of The Godmother, you heard Carolyn Johnson, my

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<v Speaker 2>Harlem tour guide.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome to Harlem. That's the name of my company. I'm Stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Professor Sarah Jackson.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm a Presidential Associate Professor at the Annaberg School for

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<v Speaker 4>Communication at the University of Pennsylvania and an affiliate with

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<v Speaker 4>the Africana and African American Studies Program.

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<v Speaker 6>Here, I'm Marilyn Greenwald. I'm a professor Emerita of journalism

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<v Speaker 6>at Ohio University, and I'm the author of five biographies,

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<v Speaker 6>including one of Eunice Hunt and Carter.

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<v Speaker 7>My name is Lashawn Harris. I am an associate professor

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<v Speaker 7>of history at Michigan State University in the Department of History.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm Jonathan Gill and I'm a professor of Humanities at

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<v Speaker 8>Amsterdam University College in the Netherlands and the author of Harlem,

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<v Speaker 8>the only complete history uptown Manhattan.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Leah Carter.

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<v Speaker 10>I am Eunis Carter's great granddaughter. My dad, Stephen Carter,

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<v Speaker 10>wrote the book Invisible, the Forgotten Story of the Black

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<v Speaker 10>woman lawyer who took down America's most famous mobster, and

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<v Speaker 10>I did.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of the research for that book.

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<v Speaker 5>My name is doctor Clarissa Myrik Harris, and I am

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<v Speaker 5>a tenured professor of Africana Studies at Morehouse College in Atlanta, Georgia.

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<v Speaker 2>The Godmother is produced by Novel for iHeartRadio. For more

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<v Speaker 2>from Novel, visit novel dot Audio. The Godmother is hosted

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<v Speaker 2>and written by me Nicole Perkins. Our producer is Leona Hammy.

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