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Speaker 3: The great Jim Abbott joins us on the show right

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Speaker 3: now and special time as ESPN E sixty is coming

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Speaker 3: out with Southpaw, The Life and Legacy of Jim Abbott

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Speaker 3: this Sunday. You can watch it on ESPN. Jim, great

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Speaker 1: Uh, you know, it's been a whirlwind.

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Speaker 2: I was at Yankee Stadium last night thrown out the

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Speaker 2: on ESPN Sunday night. It's you know, it's recaptured my

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Speaker 2: You know, as you guys know, I was born missing

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Speaker 1: I hope you guys like it.

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Speaker 4: I was talking to Tim Brown, the author of your

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Speaker 4: It is, it is, and that's fine. That's why we

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Speaker 1: They just didn't let the circumstances of their life become

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Speaker 2: You know, a lot of motivational words, a lot of

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Speaker 2: When you get thrust in that environment and you start

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Speaker 5: James would. I don't know that he's underrated, but Washington

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Speaker 3: This is his first full season in the majors. Keep

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Speaker 3: He's been intentionally walked four times in a game. Anyway,

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Speaker 5: Jim, you threw a no hitter in the big leagues?

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Speaker 5: Did you tell after you threw that no hitter? Did

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Speaker 2: Well, thanks man, you know, and Wade, I tell you,

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Speaker 2: I'd like to think that I would have trained in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're evaluated to the nth degree.

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Speaker 2: That's a great question. I you know, one of the

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Speaker 5: Jim, who do you like to watch now? That's what

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Speaker 5: I want to know. Who do you like to watch

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm i uh Otani is amazing, you know,

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Speaker 1: And he doesn't have the advantage of any of that stuff.

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Speaker 4: forgive you. How are you not an All Star? We're

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Speaker 4: what year do you feel like?

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Speaker 5: It was?

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Speaker 4: Like, ah, man, I just like I just missed it.

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Speaker 2: Right, you know what's weird? Yeah, I got screwed over

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Speaker 2: You know what Honestly, my career was a little different

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Speaker 5: Your best year, by the way, as a as a

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Speaker 5: what how bad did Herm Schneider, the trainer hurt you

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Speaker 5: I joined up with them and they just raved about Hermie.

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Speaker 1: The American League. But you're right, he could hurt you.

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Speaker 3: You pay, Jim, this was awesome. Thank you so much

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Speaker 3: for joining us. I know it's a busy schedule right

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Speaker 3: now promoting the doc, doing all kinds of appearances. We're

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Speaker 3: excited to watch it this weekend, like you mentioned, Sunday

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Speaker 3: night after the Draft, nine o'clock Eastern time on ESPN.

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Speaker 3: It's about an hour and a half streaming afterward on

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Speaker 3: ESPN Plus. It's the Life and Legacy of Jim Abbott

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Speaker 3: Southpaw part of ESPN E sixty. Thanks again, Jim, really

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Speaker 3: appreciate it. Great to see you.

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Speaker 2: Hey, you guys have a great show. I'd love to

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Speaker 2: come on again sometimes.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: That means a lot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I love the book. I love the book too,

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Speaker 1: A great, great book with Timmy. Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Jim,