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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. I'm missing five year old

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Speaker 1: girl presumably in danger, little Malia Davis, her stepfather Darien Vince.

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Speaker 1: His story to police details a violent attack and a

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Speaker 1: Vince says he was knocked unconscious and the next twenty

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Speaker 1: That's our friends at ktr Vis's Courtney Fisher, Imancy Grace,

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Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: My how the story has changed in the disappearance of

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Speaker 1: this four year old little girl. The father's story comes

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Speaker 1: under attack, but another thing I don't understand is if

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Speaker 1: biomm report her missing immediately. There's a lot of questions

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Speaker 1: that remain unanswered. Joining me an all star panel doctor

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Speaker 1: Karen Smith, also founder of Beer Bones Consulting and lecturer

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Speaker 1: at University of Florida. Joining me right now. Crime online

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Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter Lee Egan lee his story that

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Speaker 1: messages from Ulaly. The mother says. The bio mom of

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Speaker 1: police have any record that the mother, Britney Bowens, ever

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Speaker 1: The story goes on from there, so many inconsistencies in

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Speaker 1: What I don't understand, Nancy, is if somebody wasn't at

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Speaker 1: investigative reporter where you can find this and other breaking

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Speaker 1: crime injustice. Ne's Lee egan, what are the other inconsistencies

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Speaker 1: the Houston Regional Amber Alert System. Right now, the search

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Speaker 1: right now, Lee Egan. So, the father shows up at

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Speaker 1: At this point, they have a wide berth to cover,

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Speaker 1: little girl's human tissue, which is different from blood, be

426
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 1: in the drains? Karen Smith, and you heard Lee eaganist

427
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 1: report that tissue that blood matches back up to Malia Davis.

428
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 1: I don't think she's shaving yet, No, she's not. This

429
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: is you know, as we've gone down a nefarious wormhole here.

430
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: When you have human tissue in a drain, there is

431
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 1: no other explanation other than that child was subjected to

432
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 1: something extraordinarily nefarious in that location, meaning you know, she

433
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 1: may have been dismembered, There may have been a severe beating,

434
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,439
Speaker 1: that that released some tissue that was then washed down

435
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 1: the drain. Anyway that you you look at this, it

436
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:49,120
Speaker 1: is a very very bad to break down DNA. It's

437
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,719
Speaker 1: going to take a lot more than bleach. You need

438
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 1: something like um muriatic acid. I think you can find

439
00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 1: that in something like black Swan Karen Smith. Bleach does

440
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 1: not necessarily break down DNA, as we're finding out right now, No,

441
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 1: it doesn't. It can break down some of what's called

442
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:11,360
Speaker 1: the larger alleles, but the smaller alleles are very immune

443
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 1: to bleach. They're very hearty. When you have that long

444
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 1: standing reaction with blood versus the big firework that goes

445
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,119
Speaker 1: off with bleach, any trained investigator will know the difference.

446
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,360
Speaker 1: That's where they're going to take their samples. That's where

447
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 1: they're going to take the Q tip and and find

448
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 1: those areas of blood. And when they matched it, they

449
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 1: use Malia's toothbrush. They use mitochondrial DNA from that toothbrush,

450
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 1: and there was a match that led to the maternal

451
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 1: line of Brittany Bowers, the maternal mother of Malia Davis. Okay,

452
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 1: when you're saying mitochondrial DNA, you mean DNA from the

453
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: mother's let me say what the mother contributes to your DNA.

454
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: So if you yeah, if the toothbrush isn't going to

455
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 1: give you a lot of nucleated DNA, which is which

456
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 1: is what you need to run normal DNA. Mitochondrial DNA

457
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 1: is present in every single cell, and it's a little

458
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 1: more delicate to work with, but it runs down the

459
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 1: maternal line of ancestry. That's correct. And speaking of the

460
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 1: maternal line of ancestry, listen to this. At the courthouse,

461
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 1: people directed their anger towards Malia's mother. All eyes on

462
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 1: Brittany Bowen's as she walked down the hall, not saying

463
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 1: a word. Vince, her ex fiance, did not appear. Critics

464
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 1: questioning why she would leave her little girl with the

465
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: man she says was dangerous. You have so many holes

466
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 1: in your story. I don't believe you at all. I

467
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 1: don't believe you. I will never believe you. You're just

468
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 1: as guilty as him. She needs to be locked up

469
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 1: along with him. She deserves to be locked up because

470
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 1: that's not a real mother. A real mother would partake

471
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 1: their child at enemies necessary, and she didn't do that.

472
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: There are twenty eight hours from a third to May

473
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 1: fourth event is unaccounted for. According to police, they believe

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00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 1: he used that time to dispose of the little girl's

475
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 1: body and all of this as her mother was out

476
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: of town. As parents, we gotta be much wiser. You

477
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 1: know of enough people whole week shoals to put it in,

478
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 1: you know, around our kids. You're hearing Jessica Willie at

479
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 1: ABC thirteen of Houston. There is a protest at the courthouse.

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00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 1: People angry at the mother, Brittany Bowens, for leaving Malia

481
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: with the stepfather. And to top it all off, as

482
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 1: Jackie Howard here in the studio accurately pointed out, by

483
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 1: the mother's own words, she just told the stepfather she

484
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 1: planned to leave him and he was angry. And isn't

485
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,959
Speaker 1: it true? To Lee Egan Crime online dot Com investigative reporter,

486
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 1: there had been an incident recently where this little girl

487
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 1: had to have a portion of her skull removed because

488
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: she had swelling bleeding to the brain. And she recovered

489
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: as she had the portion of the skull put back.

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00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 1: I mean, you can't tell me there is not abuse

491
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 1: in that home. The little girl had three different surgeries

492
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 1: on her head after she fell over The mother's story

493
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: is she fell over from a table and hit her head.

494
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: Doctor say, there's no way that kind of trauma could

495
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: have occurred just from falling from a table. Yeah, there's

496
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: no way falling three feet max. From a chair or

497
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: even a high chair that you're gonna that's like a

498
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: blow to the head, like being in a car crash,

499
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: to have bleeding and swelling to the brain. I'm not

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00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: buying that for one minute. So Kathleen Murphy with me

501
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: veteran lawyer, family attorney. I'm sitting here talking with Jackie

502
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 1: as we're all talking all at the same time, and

503
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 1: she accurately is pointing out that's where the charge of

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00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 1: abuse of a corpse comes from, because that's all he's

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00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 1: really charged with right now. He is not charged with

506
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: kidnapping or murder, but because of the human tissue in

507
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 1: the drains, that must be where that charge is coming from,

508
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: Kathleen Murphy coming from. And your listeners should know that

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00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: his bail was set at nine hundred and ninety nine

510
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: nine nine thousand dollars, that it was reduced to forty

511
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: five thousand dollars. Why was it reduced? The Lee Egan Basically,

512
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: they don't think he's going to go anywhere. They don't

513
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: think he has a means to go anywhere. This is

514
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 1: from an attorney who is representing him now. But does

515
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 1: it know the full extent of what's going on. But

516
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: from what his attorney said, they don't think. The judge

517
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 1: doesn't think he's going to run. Has he gotten out yet? Lee,

518
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: he's not out. No One to forty five thousand dollars bond.

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00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 1: You only put up forty five hundred dollars with me

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00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: right now, Special guests, the founder of Texas Equisearch, Tim Miller.

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00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: After suffering a horrible loss of his own, he has

522
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 1: devoted his life to finding missing people, specifically missing children,

523
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: and he has been scouring the mail route where Malia

524
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: davis stepfather Darien vs once delivered mail. Tim Miller, Number one,

525
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: you're at the search scene right now. Please tell me

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00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 1: what you've been doing to finally, is starting with scouring

527
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: that mail route. Well, we actually got rumored that he

528
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 1: was a mail man, and we confirmed that to the

529
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: post office and actually that was a postal inspector h

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00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: and we got confirmed his route. I was in a helicopters.

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00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 1: We flew that whole route. We've actually got a ground

532
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: searchers our ATVs there now you know, and what I

533
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: was looking for, as of course your little body or

534
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: any evidence of the body when he hid in burned

535
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: blue of the layout, because you know, when he left

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00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: that apartment he had the blue close basket and a

537
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 1: trash bag inside of it, and when a vehicle was located,

538
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: the blue close baskets still there in a brand new

539
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 1: gas can, which is a smitchet of gas in the

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00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 1: bottom b Hold on, well, I feel like I'm drinking

541
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 1: out of a fire hydrant, Tim Miller. So the first

542
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,719
Speaker 1: thing you're telling me is you confirmed that the stepfather

543
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,439
Speaker 1: deer Invince once we're with the mail service and delivered mail.

544
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 1: You've scoured that route. But you're piecing together another theory

545
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 1: right now, a theory we have not heard, and that

546
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:20,320
Speaker 1: is that this child was murdered and that her body

547
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: was burned. You're basing that on the fact that a

548
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 1: gas can, a brand new gas can, was found in

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00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: the trunk of deer in Vince, stepfather deer in Vince's

550
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: car with just a tiny bit of gas in it.

551
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 1: A tiny bit of gas. What do you believe cops

552
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: are or should be doing right now to track down

553
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 1: whether he went and bought gas to dispose of evidence. Well,

554
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: what has happened right now? Happened since the the Hiccorps

555
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: Fineman is while it's literally going to every store, they

556
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: could go to the salescass cans and they've got the

557
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 1: scan number on. They're trying to find out where this

558
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 1: gas head. And was thought if they have surveilance, what

559
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: time and where he bought the cask cants, that can

560
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: kind of narrow the hopefully narrow the actually search area

561
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,479
Speaker 1: down or confront him why did you buy this cask

562
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,800
Speaker 1: came which of course he's not going to say anything

563
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: now since he's lawyered up. But another interesting thing, Nancy,

564
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,840
Speaker 1: is we got a rumor that a year ago that

565
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: he actually told his mother in law he said, you

566
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 1: know what, if I ever murdered anybody, there's places out

567
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 1: in a Row Sharon area that you could put a

568
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 1: body nobody ever find it. And we thought that that

569
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: was a rumor. The other day Plannel called me and

570
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: he was actually West Britney, the biological mother. So I

571
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: brought that question up about the mail route and then

572
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,399
Speaker 1: she confirmed it, and then we worked to see where

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00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: the route is at and then I told Clonel, I

574
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: said Cornell were another rumor that he actually said told

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00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: his mother in law that there was an area if

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00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 1: he ever murdered anybody. And Brittany was West Clannell and

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00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 1: Brittney said, yes, he told my mother that. My mother

578
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 1: told me that just not very long ago. What he

579
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 1: said that she didn't think about it at the time.

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00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: So what the mail route and what he had Leslie

581
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: told his brother in law. It was like, then, I mean,

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00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: this is a hot area that we have to do

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00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: right now and wea So you're talking about Rocharon, right, yeah,

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00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 1: Rocharon and that his area that it was a spot

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00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 1: that he did have his mail route and it's pretty

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00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: isolated out Now, let me ask you this tim, how

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00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: far away is Rocheron? Is that Fort beIN County? This

588
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 1: chin there is going to be Missouria County, just out

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00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: of Fort Bend County and it may possibly be at

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00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,240
Speaker 1: past summers, say maybe eight miles from where the vehicle

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00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 1: was found Rocheron. Yes, then, yeah, Rocherin about eight miles

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00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 1: from the vehicle. Now, let me ask you a question.

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00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 1: So you're telling me that he had actually made the

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00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: statement and it's being confirmed. If I was ever going

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00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: to get rid of a body, I know a place

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00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: down in Rocheron where I would do it. And that

597
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: is about eight miles for Sharon, is about eight miles

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00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 1: from where the car his car was found, yes, bat

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00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 1: eight miles most. And again you know, once you get

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00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: involved in these things, plenty of rumors come out. Again. Brittany, Brittany,

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00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 1: the mother one Hundon, confirmed that that he told his

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00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 1: mother in law that about a year ago. And you

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00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 1: know we had first heard that he just worked for

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00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 1: the post off at the very short time. But again

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00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 1: we met with actual postal inspector that's working on this

606
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 1: case now also and he actually had that meal route

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00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 1: for nearly a year before he got terminated, and so

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00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: you know, if it's there, he knows the area. Well, Tim,

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00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 1: what can you tell me about the FBI removing the

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00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 1: computer from the Nissan to try to try where the

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00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 1: car and being that's the word that I from the

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00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 1: investigators that you know, they're doing everything they can. They

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00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 1: took computer out of the cars so and sent that

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00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 1: off to ATBI so they can analyze and see what

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00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:11,800
Speaker 1: kind of day it's in that to see if it

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00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: will show a track where one of the vehicle has been.

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00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: And unfortunately, you know, nothing positive as came with that yet,

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00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 1: and again we're hoping it does. And I remember talking

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00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 1: to the detective and I said, my gods, any of

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00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 1: that phone stuff comes through, and that comes through on

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Speaker 1: a computer. They aspires distance way that he went, where

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00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 1: we need to start our search. Well, I gotta tell

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Speaker 1: you something, Tim Miller. This guy, the stepfather Darien Vince,

624
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: sure has some bad luck with cell phones. What do

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00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: you know, it's a yeah, it's some bad luck with

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00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 1: cell phones. You know. We got him on that surveillance

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00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,800
Speaker 1: a little like one o'clock going out with the basket.

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Speaker 1: Then a little after five o'clock his phone goes dead.

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Speaker 1: It is bad ry charge. He doesn't work, so in

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00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 1: an he's fifty miles away to pick his wife up

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00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 1: and then he think he has a flat tire and

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00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 1: then he's jacked by three Mexicans. That it just so

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00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 1: happened that they bring him right that down to the

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00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 1: area almost where he left from. His car is seen

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00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 1: in that area at two fifty four that Saturday afternoon.

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Speaker 1: And then it's just a real strange in the business

637
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 1: though that she has kind of daunt him off at

638
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 1: the hospital. So you know, something just doesn't that up

639
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 1: in this story. Doesn't fancy, No, it doesn't. Do you

640
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 1: really believe, Tim Miller, did the mother really even go

641
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: out of town because there's video of her going into

642
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 1: the apartment, but there's no video of her coming out

643
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: of the apartment. Well, she did go out of town,

644
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 1: and apparently it was her father's funeral and she did

645
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,280
Speaker 1: go up there, so that you know, it is concerned

646
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,479
Speaker 1: that she was out of town. But the thing that's

647
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: kind of strange also supposedly the children were taken to

648
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 1: take share of that morning. But then Malia apparently he

649
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:10,320
Speaker 1: brought her back and she was apparently in the apartment

650
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 1: for like a hour and a half before mom last

651
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: mom said that she know she don't ever remember seeing

652
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,919
Speaker 1: her in the apartment. So you know, who's telling the truth.

653
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 1: She's lying? You know what? I think that I think

654
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: Whitey's lying. I think he's lying. And it's you know,

655
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 1: so now it's law enforcement and in us, Well here's

656
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:34,800
Speaker 1: another idea, Tim, guys with me, my long time friend, Tim.

657
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 1: He has volunteered his time, his energy, his blood, sweat

658
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 1: and tears to finding missing children? What about Okay, you

659
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: do not believe, from what you're telling me, that Malia

660
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,800
Speaker 1: was put in a trash bag and then put in

661
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 1: the apartment dumpster. You think what you're telling me, she

662
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: was taken out in that blue laundry basketball. I think

663
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 1: I think that was definitely her in the garbage bag,

664
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:06,800
Speaker 1: in the longer basket. He stopped somewhere to go ahead

665
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:10,399
Speaker 1: and buy that gass can get gas. I truly believe

666
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 1: he took her outy burner somewhere, and unfortunately we haven't

667
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,800
Speaker 1: found that. We haven't found that spot yet. I truly

668
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 1: believe that she was burned. That's what I believe. Of course,

669
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 1: he don't have evidence of that. It's slightly circumstantial. You know,

670
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:30,439
Speaker 1: it's hard to burn a body. To him, it's hard

671
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:32,720
Speaker 1: to burn a body. It is harder than I understand.

672
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 1: You've got to get twenty three hundred degrees before it's cremated.

673
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: Two goons of gas is not going to do it.

674
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 1: But you know, what are these people thinking? I mean,

675
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 1: I have found body before they have been burned, and yes,

676
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: the flesh will be burnt off. The phones are still

677
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 1: there and stuff. It's a terrible odor. So you know

678
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 1: we're looking for burn marks, just certainly follow odors. Well,

679
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: what do you think about his phone? Tim, Tim Miller,

680
00:41:57,719 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 1: what do you think about his phone? Because I mean,

681
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 1: I'm ever seen such bad luck with your phone. Your

682
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:05,240
Speaker 1: phone goes dead, then your charger won't work, your battery

683
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:08,800
Speaker 1: goes dead, then your charger won't work, and now nobody

684
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: can find his phone. Has his phone been taken by police? Yeah,

685
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: nobody can find his phone, and certainly after it goes

686
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,760
Speaker 1: after it goes dead. Yeah, the story is charger was broken,

687
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: and he thinks the other flat tire, and then for

688
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 1: the jacket and a blue pickup truck. My god, if

689
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 1: you can't you know, if you can't lie any better,

690
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 1: now you might lit Joe too. Do you think he's

691
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: thrown that phone? Do you think he's thrown that phone

692
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,320
Speaker 1: in a body of water or gotten rid of it somehow?

693
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 1: You know a lot of times in these phones he

694
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: was just batteries dead. There will get a little ping

695
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: report off the powers unless that thing is just batteries

696
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: taken out or it's shorted out. So did he take

697
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 1: the battery out? Did he put it in water or

698
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 1: something like that? Totally shorted out set could not be tracked.

699
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 1: Do you know what, there's only one piece person he

700
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:01,320
Speaker 1: knows and he's just not saying question. Tim Miller joining

701
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 1: me from the scene of the search. Where do you

702
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 1: believe he put the body? I don't know. I don't know.

703
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 1: He had a big need of opportunity and got a

704
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 1: long time and chill we I mean, we've had several

705
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 1: leads and tips come in and people seeing the vehicle

706
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 1: and God bless up, but many of them just mistaken

707
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: identities and stuff. I don't dan see where he's put

708
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 1: that body. But I know this for a fact, Malaya

709
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: is not where she chose to be, and she doesn't

710
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 1: like where she's at right now. And I only hope

711
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 1: that a month from now we're not on the phone,

712
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 1: still talking and she's not located. So we're going to

713
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 1: keep doing what we're doing until we just feel as

714
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:53,800
Speaker 1: overord up being effective anymore, and we'll do our best.

715
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 1: Everybody's doing their best. I think we got all the

716
00:43:56,320 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 1: experience between law enforcement and US and artists and aging season,

717
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 1: we got alogmin we haven't had that little bit of

718
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 1: luck to go along with it. But you know, Nancy

719
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 1: Animal a week ago, everything that we can do, and

720
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 1: the results were up to God. And you know what

721
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,320
Speaker 1: he's He's been there of force a lot of times before,

722
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 1: so I asked him to come aboard one more time.

723
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 1: Tim Miller, Texas Eco Search on the scene right now.

724
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 1: If you have information or think you have information on

725
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 1: the disappearance of four year on Eliah Davis, please call

726
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 1: seven one three two two two tips seven one three

727
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: two two two eight four seven seven. We wait as

728
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 1: the search goes on Nancy Gray's crime story, signing off

729
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:39,839
Speaker 1: goodbye friend,