WEBVTT - TechStuff Classic: The Worst Hacking Scenes from Hollywood, Part Two 0:00:04.440 --> 0:00:10.080 Welcome to tech Stuff, a production from iHeartRadio. 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:14.280 Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff. I'm your host, 0:00:14.360 --> 0:00:15.240 Jonathan Strickland. 0:00:15.240 --> 0:00:18.720 I'm an executive producer with iHeartRadio and how the tech 0:00:18.760 --> 0:00:21.560 are you? It is time for another tech Stuff classic 0:00:21.720 --> 0:00:23.439 and we actually have a part two. 0:00:23.640 --> 0:00:26.240 So last week, last Friday. 0:00:25.840 --> 0:00:28.920 We had The Worst Hacking Scenes from Hollywood Part one 0:00:29.480 --> 0:00:32.360 with Shannon Morse, and Shannon is back for this other 0:00:32.360 --> 0:00:36.320 classic episode, The Worst Hacking Scenes from Hollywood Part two. 0:00:36.400 --> 0:00:42.839 It originally published on September fourteenth, twenty sixteen. Enjoy Today 0:00:42.880 --> 0:00:45.560 we're going to talk more about some of the embarrassing 0:00:45.600 --> 0:00:48.280 examples out there in entertainment as well as some of 0:00:48.320 --> 0:00:49.440 the really good ones. 0:00:49.920 --> 0:00:50.680 And we're going to. 0:00:50.680 --> 0:00:53.400 Start off with a conversation about a pair of movies 0:00:53.640 --> 0:00:57.560 that not only did a disservice to hackers, but also 0:00:57.760 --> 0:00:58.720 virtual reality. 0:00:59.240 --> 0:01:02.640 We joined the conver station already in progress. 0:01:08.800 --> 0:01:13.520 Lawnmower Man and lawnmower Man Too, inspired by the work 0:01:13.520 --> 0:01:16.640 of Stephen King. So these movies are terrible, it could 0:01:16.680 --> 0:01:18.039 be a lot of fun to watch with a group 0:01:18.080 --> 0:01:21.039 of people who just want to see, like a really 0:01:21.040 --> 0:01:22.760 bad movie and make fun of it, you know. Mst 0:01:22.880 --> 0:01:25.560 three K style. I included a couple of eclips and 0:01:25.600 --> 0:01:29.319 I showed them to Shannon. One of them was a 0:01:29.360 --> 0:01:35.800 demonstration that hacking a system in this world isn't just 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:42.600 graphical but immersive. So you're wearing like a head mounted display, 0:01:42.680 --> 0:01:47.240 and you're wearing gloves that allow you to interact with 0:01:47.280 --> 0:01:48.160 the virtual world. 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:49.880 And so they're. 0:01:49.720 --> 0:01:55.480 Showing a character getting backdoor access to a system by 0:01:56.760 --> 0:02:01.960 slapping at hexagons inside the virtual space. So these hexagons 0:02:01.960 --> 0:02:04.720 are popping up in front of them, and he's slapping 0:02:04.720 --> 0:02:08.320 at them and eventually gets you know, access granted. Mostly 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:11.120 it's getting access denied, but eventually access granted pops up 0:02:11.280 --> 0:02:13.000 and it looks like the only thing that he did 0:02:13.000 --> 0:02:14.880 differently was just that he hit it a little faster 0:02:15.000 --> 0:02:17.880 that time. So, in other words, it'd be equivalent to 0:02:18.040 --> 0:02:21.120 that NCIS scene we talked about earlier, where if you 0:02:21.480 --> 0:02:25.280 just tiede fast enough, you either hack in or you 0:02:25.360 --> 0:02:29.160 prevent a hack from happening. Obviously, this is not at 0:02:29.160 --> 0:02:34.120 all remotely realistic, but it is one of those where 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:36.880 you look at and you you could tell the screenwriter 0:02:37.000 --> 0:02:39.800 was saying, well, I want to show that this character 0:02:39.880 --> 0:02:43.600 who has has found that he's very powerful in the 0:02:43.639 --> 0:02:46.840 virtual space, can access a system. 0:02:47.080 --> 0:02:49.000 How can I do that in a way that's not just. 0:02:50.480 --> 0:02:52.800 You know, it's over in a blink of an eye, 0:02:52.840 --> 0:02:55.880 and there's no way to show it visually, So they 0:02:55.919 --> 0:02:58.880 created this sort of three D display. This isn't one 0:02:58.880 --> 0:03:00.600 of those things we see in a lot of Hollywood 0:03:00.639 --> 0:03:05.160 movies where they try and visualize the navigating a secure 0:03:05.240 --> 0:03:07.680 system as like going through a maze. 0:03:08.000 --> 0:03:09.480 It happens a ton. 0:03:10.400 --> 0:03:15.360 And again, actually going through that maze of information that's 0:03:15.400 --> 0:03:19.480 located on a network is actually quite boring looking on camera. 0:03:20.000 --> 0:03:24.400 So they created this out by terrible virtual reality scene 0:03:25.440 --> 0:03:30.560 to actually give some kind of implementation, some kind of 0:03:30.600 --> 0:03:33.359 visual implementation to the people that are watching this movie. 0:03:33.360 --> 0:03:38.680 And it's pretty terrible. It's definitely not how gaining access 0:03:38.720 --> 0:03:42.880 to a network would work, but I thought it was hilarious. Yeah. 0:03:42.960 --> 0:03:46.120 Lawnmower Man two also has a scene that's similar to that. 0:03:46.600 --> 0:03:50.320 The characters are looking at what is just an equation 0:03:50.800 --> 0:03:54.400 on a computer screen. So they're looking at this equation 0:03:54.560 --> 0:03:59.200 and trying to figure out how to get access and 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:02.320 one of the character says that she can't get past 0:04:02.360 --> 0:04:06.880 the memory lock to access the chain so the smarmy 0:04:07.000 --> 0:04:10.440 computer expert who's next to her says, well, all you 0:04:10.520 --> 0:04:14.920 have to do is just enhance the memory index, which 0:04:15.000 --> 0:04:18.120 already none of that makes any real sense. It's kind 0:04:18.160 --> 0:04:20.719 of like Star Trek technobabble where they talk about reversing 0:04:20.760 --> 0:04:25.440 the polarity it really, it's just there to say something 0:04:25.520 --> 0:04:27.080 technical is happening. 0:04:26.800 --> 0:04:29.840 And you don't need to understand what it is. It's 0:04:29.920 --> 0:04:30.680 kind of shorthand. 0:04:31.360 --> 0:04:31.560 Yeah. 0:04:32.040 --> 0:04:35.520 So then a little yellow ball appears on the screen 0:04:35.560 --> 0:04:41.560 and the equation they're looking at it starts to rotate 0:04:42.120 --> 0:04:44.640 and starts to turn on its side and become a 0:04:44.680 --> 0:04:49.320 three dimensional maze again, so we get another example of 0:04:50.480 --> 0:04:55.200 accessing a system involves navigating through an actual three dimensional maze. 0:04:56.000 --> 0:04:58.880 He uses gesture controls to move this little yellow ball 0:04:58.920 --> 0:05:05.520 around until finally getting to where the data is. The 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:11.200 whole time he's just using meaningless computer jargon incorrectly. And 0:05:11.200 --> 0:05:14.919 then the very the cherry on top of the Sunday 0:05:15.000 --> 0:05:20.680 is that he says to da, so uh, if you 0:05:20.760 --> 0:05:23.480 really want a good time, watch the hacking scene from 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:28.279 lawnmower Man too. Both of those, obviously, are are in 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:33.760 that same category of trying to visualize what this process 0:05:33.839 --> 0:05:36.760 would be like in a way that is interesting. I 0:05:36.760 --> 0:05:41.080 said that the worst a movie can do is not 0:05:41.400 --> 0:05:44.920 only be incorrect, but also fail to be entertaining, and 0:05:44.920 --> 0:05:45.640 then I would. 0:05:45.480 --> 0:05:47.440 Argue both of these fall into that category. 0:05:48.160 --> 0:05:50.960 I feel like if hacking was as entertaining as it 0:05:51.000 --> 0:05:53.920 is in lawnmower Man, I would have gotten into it 0:05:53.960 --> 0:05:56.360 at a much, much younger age. 0:05:56.560 --> 0:06:00.279 It's I remember lawnmower Man's one of them movies. 0:06:00.279 --> 0:06:03.279 I would often cite as being a real reason why 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:06.000 virtual reality died in the mid nineties. 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:08.479 So sad, yeah. 0:06:08.560 --> 0:06:11.160 Because the stuff that was around in the mid nineties 0:06:11.279 --> 0:06:14.320 was very, very primitive, right. You had like Dactyl Nightmare, 0:06:14.400 --> 0:06:19.400 these games that were just polygons, and they were very primitive. 0:06:20.120 --> 0:06:22.839 The gameplay was limited, the headsets you wore had to 0:06:22.839 --> 0:06:25.320 be supported on cables because they were so heavy they 0:06:25.320 --> 0:06:29.479 would really hurt your neck otherwise. And so when people 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:32.760 saw what the actual state of the art of virtual 0:06:32.760 --> 0:06:35.520 reality was at the time compared to what they were 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:40.240 seeing in films, that gap ended up making people say, well, 0:06:40.279 --> 0:06:44.239 this isn't good at all. I don't see any reason 0:06:44.839 --> 0:06:48.760 in putting any money toward this, and virtual reality died 0:06:49.200 --> 0:06:53.080 for about ten years, and now we're starting to see 0:06:53.120 --> 0:06:57.120 it get back into the consumer space with the success 0:06:57.240 --> 0:07:00.840 of Oculus Rift in HTCVI mean you can get your 0:07:00.839 --> 0:07:04.599 hands on one. We're starting to see it come back, 0:07:04.640 --> 0:07:08.120 but it took almost twenty years for it to recover. 0:07:08.760 --> 0:07:14.000 So thanks lawnmower Man. Not only were you a bad movie, 0:07:14.040 --> 0:07:15.040 but you killed v Are. 0:07:15.640 --> 0:07:16.840 It's all your fault. 0:07:17.360 --> 0:07:19.679 Yeah, I'm not bitter or anything. 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:23.320 There's a movie that we have to mention everyone that 0:07:23.400 --> 0:07:25.800 I when I posted on Twitter that I was going 0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:27.800 to do this, I had a lot of people say 0:07:27.920 --> 0:07:31.920 the entire movie of Hackers should be considered as part 0:07:31.920 --> 0:07:33.560 of this as a bad hacking scene. 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:35.760 And Hackers is a great example. 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:39.280 It's another one of those where it's a movie that 0:07:39.360 --> 0:07:43.080 was posing as an anti authoritarian kind of film, but 0:07:43.480 --> 0:07:46.560 in the safest way possible, like there was nothing. 0:07:46.320 --> 0:07:47.400 Really daring about it. 0:07:48.520 --> 0:07:52.600 And the opening sequence has a couple of characters trying 0:07:52.680 --> 0:07:56.000 to battle it out over one another, and one of 0:07:56.040 --> 0:07:59.000 them is it trying to create an intrusion into a system. 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:03.480 The other one exit and then shuts everything down. So Shannon, 0:08:04.040 --> 0:08:08.320 typically when you're talking about things like a hacker intruding 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:12.240 into a system, detecting that there's been an intrusion. We're 0:08:12.240 --> 0:08:16.960 not normally seeing this happen on a one versus one 0:08:17.080 --> 0:08:19.960 kind of basis in real time typically are we. 0:08:21.000 --> 0:08:23.680 Not necessarily a lot of times, what you'll see with 0:08:23.800 --> 0:08:27.840 a hack intrusion into a system, like you said, is 0:08:27.920 --> 0:08:30.040 that they will sit and watch and they will do 0:08:30.080 --> 0:08:32.280 a lot of recons so they'll try to figure out 0:08:32.760 --> 0:08:36.040 what's available for them, what can they see, and they'll 0:08:36.040 --> 0:08:39.600 wait for something to happen that'll give them even more access. 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:42.440 And then if you have somebody that's working inside of 0:08:42.440 --> 0:08:46.959 that company that's being intruded upon, usually the first action 0:08:47.160 --> 0:08:49.680 that you will see is them trying to also collect 0:08:49.720 --> 0:08:54.680 information so they can find where this opening is, where 0:08:54.679 --> 0:08:57.200 this vulnerability is, and then they'll shut it down. 0:08:58.000 --> 0:08:59.240 And then after that they'll do. 0:08:59.240 --> 0:09:03.640 A whole whole research report on it and try to 0:09:03.679 --> 0:09:06.079 figure out like who actually did it, and probably take 0:09:06.559 --> 0:09:10.040 two enforcement agencies so that they can get the capture 0:09:10.040 --> 0:09:13.240 of the person and hopefully get them charged, because that's 0:09:13.280 --> 0:09:15.320 not a very good thing to do. Yeah, I mean, 0:09:15.320 --> 0:09:18.000 you don't necessarily see people like duking it out like 0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:19.000 they do in package. 0:09:19.360 --> 0:09:23.160 Yeah, it's usually you know, like, your first indication that 0:09:23.240 --> 0:09:25.800 something is wrong can often just be that you notice 0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:29.480 there's unusual amounts of data traffic across your network, and 0:09:29.840 --> 0:09:33.079 you might say, well, why why are we getting these spikes. 0:09:33.360 --> 0:09:38.599 If you're a savvy hacker, you're trying to mask your activity. 0:09:38.920 --> 0:09:40.960 You're kind of like trying to sneak in when a 0:09:40.960 --> 0:09:43.200 big crowd is going into a room. It's kind of 0:09:43.200 --> 0:09:46.959 the same thing, right, Like you're waiting for large transfers 0:09:46.960 --> 0:09:49.680 of data so that it masks what you are doing. 0:09:50.040 --> 0:09:52.520 In a lot of cases, if you're really really good 0:09:52.520 --> 0:09:54.440 at what you're doing, you're trying to kind of go 0:09:54.480 --> 0:09:57.120 in that route because it means you can stay hidden 0:09:57.200 --> 0:09:59.319 for longer and get more information. 0:09:59.559 --> 0:10:00.880 Information is valuable. 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:04.439 Therefore, you don't want to just you know, you don't 0:10:04.480 --> 0:10:06.840 want to just break into a system and then immediately 0:10:06.840 --> 0:10:07.480 get booted out. 0:10:07.520 --> 0:10:09.960 Then what was the point of that other than to say. 0:10:09.880 --> 0:10:12.079 Hey, I figured out you have a vulnerability, And if 0:10:12.080 --> 0:10:14.839 that's your job, that's awesome. If you're a white hat 0:10:14.880 --> 0:10:17.880 hacker and your job is to hey, we've got this system, 0:10:18.240 --> 0:10:20.240 we think it's pretty secure, but we would like you 0:10:20.280 --> 0:10:21.760 to really put it to the test, and if you 0:10:21.800 --> 0:10:24.520 find any vulnerabilities, let us know, and then we can 0:10:24.559 --> 0:10:26.840 go and we can address that and fix them so 0:10:26.880 --> 0:10:28.880 that the bad guys don't have a chance to do 0:10:28.920 --> 0:10:29.480 it later. 0:10:29.800 --> 0:10:33.440 That's a legitimate job. But in the movies, that's not 0:10:33.520 --> 0:10:34.080 what you see. 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:36.640 You see a person going like I've got access, and 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:41.760 then almost immediately everything is gone pear shaped, right, like 0:10:41.800 --> 0:10:45.240 there's alarms going off, And that's just not how it works, 0:10:45.360 --> 0:10:48.960 not if you're doing it correctly anyway, exactly. Yeah, So 0:10:49.480 --> 0:10:52.800 these movies, I mean, I appreciate it. Again, try to 0:10:52.800 --> 0:10:55.720 create dramatic tension, but not terribly accurate. 0:10:56.920 --> 0:10:59.440 One thing that I did like about hackers is the 0:10:59.440 --> 0:11:03.120 fact that he uses social engineering to first gain access 0:11:03.160 --> 0:11:06.520 to this network, which is something that's very very common 0:11:06.600 --> 0:11:12.920 with hackers in general, because humans are the first, the first. 0:11:12.640 --> 0:11:14.199 Failure in any network. 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:17.000 They're the people, they're the ones that you can generally 0:11:17.040 --> 0:11:20.560 go to and find some kind of vulnerability because people 0:11:20.800 --> 0:11:24.560 inherently trust each other. And that's just a thing that 0:11:24.640 --> 0:11:27.840 humans need to understand is if somebody is asking you 0:11:27.920 --> 0:11:30.920 questions that you shouldn't necessarily give out, don't give them 0:11:30.920 --> 0:11:33.680 out because they might be social engineering you into giving 0:11:33.720 --> 0:11:37.839 out those answers. Hackers also does a good job of 0:11:38.240 --> 0:11:42.959 pinpointing people towards real life hacker culture. For example, there 0:11:43.000 --> 0:11:45.360 is one scene in Hackers where they read off the 0:11:45.400 --> 0:11:50.840 Hacker Manifesto, which was originally found in a hacker magazine, 0:11:51.160 --> 0:11:53.280 which you can only find if you were a part 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:55.760 of that culture. And then later on in the movie 0:11:55.760 --> 0:12:00.000 they also show a real life booklet, a documentation book 0:12:00.559 --> 0:12:06.200 that shows that was actually used by phone operations to 0:12:06.800 --> 0:12:08.880 you know, put up new towers and things like that 0:12:08.960 --> 0:12:11.840 back in the nineteen eighties and nineties. So it has 0:12:12.000 --> 0:12:14.560 these real life parts of culture, but in reality the 0:12:14.640 --> 0:12:19.160 movie still has that terrible Hollywood hacking parts of it 0:12:19.200 --> 0:12:19.680 as well. 0:12:19.880 --> 0:12:22.720 Yeah, I'm glad you brought up the social engineering. I'm 0:12:22.760 --> 0:12:26.000 actually going to do an episode about specifically about social 0:12:26.040 --> 0:12:32.480 engineering live at Dragon Con with our mutual friend Brian Brushwood. 0:12:33.640 --> 0:12:36.160 So Brushwood's going to come on the show. There's no 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:39.120 one like a magician to tell you how to fool 0:12:39.240 --> 0:12:41.960 people right, how to lie to. 0:12:42.000 --> 0:12:43.840 People and get them to do the things you want 0:12:43.920 --> 0:12:44.319 them to do. 0:12:44.920 --> 0:12:47.480 So we're gonna we're going to go into social engineering 0:12:47.480 --> 0:12:50.000 big time on that episode. And I'm also glad you 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:53.400 mentioned that things like the manuals that definitely is a 0:12:53.400 --> 0:12:55.520 big part of hacker culture, going all the way back 0:12:55.520 --> 0:12:59.120 to those phone freak days, where again the hackers were 0:12:59.200 --> 0:13:01.920 not necessarily trying to take advantage of a system. They 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:04.240 just wanted to know how it worked. They were fascinated 0:13:04.640 --> 0:13:08.400 by the way it actually performed, and so when you 0:13:08.480 --> 0:13:13.280 got a manual, suddenly you had an insight into it. 0:13:13.320 --> 0:13:17.040 Even if the manual didn't go into deep detail about 0:13:17.040 --> 0:13:20.120 how the system as a whole operates on the back end, 0:13:20.320 --> 0:13:22.720 it could give you enough insight and then they start 0:13:22.840 --> 0:13:26.160 understanding like, oh wow, that's really cool that they have 0:13:26.360 --> 0:13:28.120 this system set up in such a way where they 0:13:28.120 --> 0:13:30.920 can route calls like this and they can dynamically change 0:13:30.960 --> 0:13:34.080 things over. And I'm glad you brought that up, because 0:13:34.760 --> 0:13:37.959 once again, being a hacker doesn't necessarily mean you're a 0:13:38.040 --> 0:13:40.920 terrible person at all. It may mean that you just 0:13:41.080 --> 0:13:44.520 have a deep curiosity that is only satisfied by learning 0:13:44.520 --> 0:13:46.960 how this stuff works. And it's not always easy to 0:13:47.000 --> 0:13:52.600 do that. Information is not always publicly available at all times. 0:13:52.640 --> 0:13:55.199 There have been times where it accidentally got publicly available. 0:13:55.480 --> 0:13:56.760 That's again going. 0:13:56.600 --> 0:13:58.800 Back to the phone freaks, there were some phone manuals 0:13:59.240 --> 0:14:03.400 that kind of were released to the public, not intentionally. 0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:07.160 It also wasn't considered to be a huge problem until 0:14:07.200 --> 0:14:09.520 the phone freakers got hold of it and suddenly you 0:14:09.559 --> 0:14:12.959 had all these people making weird calls long distance all 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:13.559 over the place. 0:14:14.840 --> 0:14:15.400 So funny. 0:14:15.559 --> 0:14:19.040 Yeah, our next one is another case of people just 0:14:19.120 --> 0:14:22.000 throwing out terms without really having any meaning to them. 0:14:22.000 --> 0:14:24.080 I mean, the terms themselves have meaning, but not in 0:14:24.120 --> 0:14:26.520 the context of the lines. And it was from a 0:14:26.520 --> 0:14:30.240 CSI New York episode in which a character says, and 0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:33.520 this is a quote, I'll create a gooey interface using 0:14:33.600 --> 0:14:40.000 visual basics, see if I can track an IP address. So, Shannon, 0:14:40.240 --> 0:14:42.080 you want to track an IP address? Do you go 0:14:42.240 --> 0:14:45.160 to the trouble of developing a graphical user interface? 0:14:46.560 --> 0:14:50.080 No, what I would do is open up probably netcat 0:14:50.160 --> 0:14:52.760 in my terminals so that I can gain access and 0:14:52.800 --> 0:14:55.720 see what the heck's going on on that IP address. Yeah, 0:14:55.800 --> 0:14:59.160 Or if it was wireless and I was on a 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:01.760 nearby network, I would I would probably use wireshark and 0:15:01.760 --> 0:15:04.880 WiFi Pinapple Like. It's not you don't have to create 0:15:04.920 --> 0:15:09.120 an entirely new graphical user interface table to be able 0:15:09.160 --> 0:15:11.800 to access an IP address and see what kind of 0:15:11.800 --> 0:15:14.600 traffic is happening to and from them. 0:15:15.160 --> 0:15:16.080 Yeah, it doesn't. 0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:20.560 Creating a graphical user interface literally makes no sense. I mean, 0:15:20.920 --> 0:15:24.400 it has nothing to do with your ability to track 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:28.280 an IP address, to identify an IP address. It has 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:30.800 nothing to do with a graphical user interface is an 0:15:30.880 --> 0:15:35.920 interface in itself. Isn't a thing that performs these functions. 0:15:36.000 --> 0:15:38.840 It's just a way to visualize data and allow you 0:15:39.320 --> 0:15:43.160 to interact with it in some way. So Windows is 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:47.880 a graphical user interface. It's a gooey. Any any program 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:52.080 that has a graphical representation of information that allows you 0:15:52.120 --> 0:15:55.280 to move things around, that's a guy. Has nothing to 0:15:55.280 --> 0:15:59.080 do with the actual function. It is separate from the function. 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:03.600 It is just a way of manifesting what that data 0:16:03.680 --> 0:16:06.640 actually means. Now, you might go through the trouble of 0:16:06.720 --> 0:16:10.920 creating some sort of visual data if you wanted to 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:13.600 explain it to someone else who wouldn't understand if you 0:16:13.680 --> 0:16:17.480 just handed them lines of code or whatever. But that's 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:20.040 not what That doesn't even work in this case because 0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:23.160 we're talking about an IP address. We're an IP address. 0:16:23.160 --> 0:16:25.760 You don't need like a pie chart or you know, 0:16:26.080 --> 0:16:28.520 you don't need a graphical representation of what an IP 0:16:28.760 --> 0:16:29.360 address is. 0:16:29.400 --> 0:16:31.960 It's an IP address exactly. 0:16:32.280 --> 0:16:34.280 Yeah, this one, this one kind of broke my brain 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:36.560 for about twenty minutes when I when I watched it. 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:41.080 We'll be back with more terrible hacking scenes from Hollywood 0:16:41.320 --> 0:16:52.760 after this quick break. The next one I had on 0:16:52.800 --> 0:16:56.440 the list was another example of hackers battling it out 0:16:56.480 --> 0:16:59.520 in real time and seeing who could type the fastest. 0:16:59.760 --> 0:17:00.760 This happens all the time. 0:17:00.800 --> 0:17:02.640 There was also an episode of Chuck that did this 0:17:02.720 --> 0:17:05.520 where the best part of that episode of Chuck was 0:17:05.560 --> 0:17:08.240 that the guy that Chuck was facing against was played 0:17:08.240 --> 0:17:10.840 by Freddy Wong and his character was named Freddie. So 0:17:11.320 --> 0:17:13.720 I was like, oh my gosh, it's Freddy Wong, a 0:17:13.800 --> 0:17:14.520 YouTube star. 0:17:14.720 --> 0:17:15.320 Done good. 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:20.440 Yeah, it's fantastic, It's I think it's it's I can't remember. 0:17:20.520 --> 0:17:23.000 It's like Chuck versus the Hackathon or something like that. 0:17:23.080 --> 0:17:26.000 It's along those lines, and Freddy Wong plays the elite 0:17:26.000 --> 0:17:28.600 hacker that he goes up against. But in this case, 0:17:28.640 --> 0:17:32.040 I'm talking about criminal minds, which, as Nicholas Brendan in It, 0:17:32.119 --> 0:17:34.840 who I will always and forever think of as Xander 0:17:34.880 --> 0:17:36.800 from Buffy the vampire slayer. 0:17:38.600 --> 0:17:38.800 Yep. 0:17:38.880 --> 0:17:44.639 And he's brought in to try and access another i 0:17:44.640 --> 0:17:49.160 think another employees system, but the employees kind of on 0:17:49.200 --> 0:17:52.159 the lamb and she's working with other folks who are 0:17:52.160 --> 0:17:54.879 trying to do this quietly without the rest of the 0:17:54.960 --> 0:17:59.760 organization taking any notice of them. And so he ends 0:17:59.800 --> 0:18:04.520 up getting into her system and trying to snoop around 0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:07.399 a bit. She notices, and then they have this duel. 0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:09.760 And as Shannon has already said, this is not really 0:18:09.800 --> 0:18:12.159 how we see things play out, but it does have 0:18:12.240 --> 0:18:14.880 the best line I think out of all the examples 0:18:14.880 --> 0:18:18.120 we have here, which is her gooey is mind blowing. 0:18:21.280 --> 0:18:24.600 And what you would actually see a hacker say is, well, 0:18:24.920 --> 0:18:25.959 check out this code. 0:18:26.240 --> 0:18:29.359 Yeah yeah, instead of all these little uh these little 0:18:29.400 --> 0:18:31.920 windows pop up. Also, it's funny because in the sequence 0:18:32.200 --> 0:18:34.920 as they're typing uh, there's like one point where the 0:18:35.560 --> 0:18:39.040 Xander I'll always call him Xander, is saying, well, here, 0:18:39.240 --> 0:18:41.959 see what you think about this, And all that you 0:18:42.000 --> 0:18:44.760 see on the screen is that one of the windows 0:18:44.960 --> 0:18:48.080 on the screen is dragged down to like the lower 0:18:48.160 --> 0:18:48.800 right corner. 0:18:49.400 --> 0:18:52.360 Yes, and you're the wow, you have a. 0:18:52.400 --> 0:18:57.560 Mouse so bad, But they're actually not even using computer mice, 0:18:57.600 --> 0:19:00.800 they're just typing on the keyboard and so so really 0:19:00.840 --> 0:19:03.159 all you're seeing are all these little windows being dragged 0:19:03.160 --> 0:19:06.560 around the screen and no real way of doing that easily. 0:19:06.800 --> 0:19:09.840 If you're just if you're using a keyboard, you're making 0:19:09.880 --> 0:19:11.720 it too hard on yourself, honestly. 0:19:13.440 --> 0:19:16.280 One thing is about hackers that I have noticed. I 0:19:16.680 --> 0:19:19.080 am not as good as a lot of my friends are, 0:19:19.119 --> 0:19:22.760 but keyboard shortcuts are huge in the hacker culture. 0:19:23.080 --> 0:19:23.560 Huge. 0:19:23.960 --> 0:19:27.440 Well yeah, I mean, especially if you're doing the same 0:19:27.480 --> 0:19:29.720 sort of code over and over, if you're going to 0:19:29.760 --> 0:19:33.199 be using the same sort of strings repeatedly, having like 0:19:33.320 --> 0:19:37.399 various shortcuts and macro set up saves you so much time. 0:19:38.640 --> 0:19:44.239 It's way more efficient. And you know, I totally get that. 0:19:44.280 --> 0:19:47.080 I've worked on documents where that sort of thing made 0:19:47.080 --> 0:19:49.240 a lot of sense. And I don't even do coding 0:19:49.680 --> 0:19:52.440 right I'm doing I'm talking about working mostly in the 0:19:52.520 --> 0:19:54.760 legal world. I don't like to talk about it. It 0:19:54.880 --> 0:19:56.639 was a long time ago, and I really like to 0:19:56.720 --> 0:20:01.800 leave that chapter behind. I was working four lawyers. I 0:20:01.920 --> 0:20:06.960 wasn't being pursued by them. Another great example weird science. 0:20:07.160 --> 0:20:09.520 This one sort of gets a pass from me too. 0:20:09.560 --> 0:20:13.320 Because it's such a goofy movie. It's one of those 0:20:13.320 --> 0:20:16.760 films from the eighties where you kind of the basic 0:20:16.800 --> 0:20:19.719 premise is kind of squiky, well more than kind of squiky, 0:20:19.720 --> 0:20:23.560 because you've got two high school males who decide to 0:20:23.640 --> 0:20:27.720 try and create a girl so that they can do 0:20:27.840 --> 0:20:32.320 various sexual things with her, which is pretty awful. But 0:20:32.359 --> 0:20:34.000 it turns out that she ends up having a way 0:20:34.000 --> 0:20:36.440 more intelligence than either of them and a lot more 0:20:36.480 --> 0:20:39.960 agency than either of them. So it's okay because it 0:20:39.960 --> 0:20:42.200 could have gone way worse than that. I know, because 0:20:42.200 --> 0:20:45.120 I've watched a movie recently that took the other path 0:20:45.160 --> 0:20:48.280 and it was terrible. I was for a different podcast, 0:20:49.440 --> 0:20:54.120 So this one also has another depiction of characters trying 0:20:54.160 --> 0:20:58.720 to navigate through a three dimensional virtual environment in order 0:20:58.760 --> 0:21:03.000 to access a secure system. In this case, they're trying 0:21:03.040 --> 0:21:08.399 to create a simulated brain for their created female, but 0:21:08.960 --> 0:21:12.720 the computer that Wyatt has is only capable of getting 0:21:12.720 --> 0:21:14.960 her intelligence up to fifth grade level, and they need 0:21:15.000 --> 0:21:18.760 more than that, so they tap into some as far 0:21:18.760 --> 0:21:22.840 as I can tell, unidentified government agency to get more 0:21:22.880 --> 0:21:27.880 computing power, which in this film is equated to electricity. 0:21:28.080 --> 0:21:32.239 I guess because if you watch the sequence when they 0:21:32.320 --> 0:21:36.520 get access to the computers, everything at the government center 0:21:36.600 --> 0:21:38.840 is going crazy. You're seeing these real to real tapes 0:21:38.880 --> 0:21:43.199 that are spinning super fast. You see lights flashing, and 0:21:43.240 --> 0:21:46.520 then a power surge ends up blasting all of the 0:21:46.560 --> 0:21:50.359 electronics at Wyatt's home, like the microwave, and there's like 0:21:51.400 --> 0:21:55.720 a smoke detector. I think that explodes, and so that's 0:21:55.760 --> 0:21:59.159 what zooms in enough power to not only boost the 0:21:59.200 --> 0:22:04.360 intelligence of the character up to superhuman levels, but also 0:22:04.680 --> 0:22:10.760 somehow magically brings to life this woman. I'd say ninety 0:22:10.800 --> 0:22:17.160 seven percent accurate. Let's take a quick break to thank 0:22:17.200 --> 0:22:17.920 our sponsor. 0:22:18.560 --> 0:22:19.320 Are you hiring? 0:22:19.560 --> 0:22:22.240 Do you know where to post your job to find 0:22:22.280 --> 0:22:25.560 the best candidates? Posting your job in one place isn't 0:22:25.720 --> 0:22:28.680