WEBVTT - Rapunzel

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<v Speaker 1>A school of humans.

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<v Speaker 2>This episode discusses sensitive topics. Please listen with care. My

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<v Speaker 2>name is Miranda Hawkins. Welcome to the Deep Dark Woods.

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<v Speaker 2>Today's story is Atu three ten or Rapunzel.

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<v Speaker 3>Rapunzel had splendid, long hair as fine as spun gold.

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<v Speaker 3>When she heard the sorceress's voice, she untied her braids,

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<v Speaker 3>wound them around a window hook, let her hair fall

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<v Speaker 3>twenty yards to the ground, and the sorceress climbed up it.

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<v Speaker 3>A few years later, it happened that a king's son

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<v Speaker 3>was riding through the forest. As he approached the tower,

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<v Speaker 3>he heard a psalm so beautiful that he stopped to listen.

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<v Speaker 3>It was Rapunzel, who was passing the time by singing

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<v Speaker 3>with her sweet voice. The prince wanted to climb up

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<v Speaker 3>to her and looked for a door in the tower,

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<v Speaker 3>but none was to be found. He rode home, but

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<v Speaker 3>the song had so touched his heart that he returned

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<v Speaker 3>to the forest every day and listened to it. One time,

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<v Speaker 3>as he was thus standing behind a tree, he saw

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<v Speaker 3>the sorceress approach and heard her say, Rapunzel, Rapunzel, let

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<v Speaker 3>down your hair. Then Rapunzel let down her strands of

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<v Speaker 3>hair and the sorceress climbed up them to her. If

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<v Speaker 3>that is the latter to the tower, then sometime I

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<v Speaker 3>will try my luck. And the next day, just as

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<v Speaker 3>it was beginning to get dark, he went to the

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<v Speaker 3>tower and called out, Rapunzel, Rapunzel, let down your hair.

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<v Speaker 3>The hair fell down, and the prince climbed up. At first,

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<v Speaker 3>Rapunzel was terribly frightened when a man such as she

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<v Speaker 3>had never seen before came in to her. However, the

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<v Speaker 3>prince began talking to her in a very friendly manner,

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<v Speaker 3>telling her that his heart had been so touched by

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<v Speaker 3>her singing that he could have no peace until he

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<v Speaker 3>had seen her in person. Then Rapunzel lost her fear,

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<v Speaker 3>and when he asked her if she would take him

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<v Speaker 3>as her husband, she thought he would rather have me

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<v Speaker 3>than old fraw gothel. She said yes and placed her

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<v Speaker 3>hand into his. She said, I would go with you gladly,

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<v Speaker 3>but I do not know how to get down. Every

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<v Speaker 3>time that you come, bring a strand of silk from

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<v Speaker 3>which I will weave a ladder. When it is finished,

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<v Speaker 3>I will climb down and you can take me away

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<v Speaker 3>on your horse. They arranged that he would come to

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<v Speaker 3>her every evening for the old woman came by day.

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<v Speaker 3>The sorceress did not notice what was happening until one

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<v Speaker 3>day Rapunzel said to her, fraw gothel tell me why

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<v Speaker 3>it is that you are more difficult to pull up

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<v Speaker 3>than is the young young prince who will be arriving

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<v Speaker 3>any moment. Now, you godless child, cried the sorceress, What

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<v Speaker 3>am I hearing from you? I thought that I had

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<v Speaker 3>removed you from the whole world, but you have deceived

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<v Speaker 3>me none the less. In her anger, she grabbed Rapunzel's

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<v Speaker 3>beautiful hair, wrapped it a few times around her left hand,

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<v Speaker 3>grasped a pair of scissors with her right hand, and

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<v Speaker 3>snip snap, cut it off. And she was so unmerciful

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<v Speaker 3>that she took Rapunzel into a wilderness, where she suffered greatly.

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<v Speaker 3>On the evening of the same day that she sent

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<v Speaker 3>Rapunzel away, the sorceress tied the cut off hair to

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<v Speaker 3>a hook at the top of the tower, and when

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<v Speaker 3>the prince called out, Rapunzel, Rapunzel, let down your hair.

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<v Speaker 3>She let down the hair. The prince climbed up, but above,

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<v Speaker 3>instead of his beloved Rapunzel, he found the sorceress, who

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<v Speaker 3>peered at him with poisonous and evil looks.

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<v Speaker 4>Aha, she cried scornfully.

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<v Speaker 3>You have come for your man, mistress.

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<v Speaker 4>Darling, But that beautiful bird is no longer sitting in

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<v Speaker 4>her nest, nor is she singing anymore. The cat got her,

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<v Speaker 4>and I will scratch your eyes out, as will you

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<v Speaker 4>have lost Rapunzel.

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<v Speaker 1>You will never.

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<v Speaker 3>See her again. The prince was overcome with grief, and

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<v Speaker 3>in his despair, he threw himself from the tower. He

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<v Speaker 3>escaped with his life, but the thorns into which he

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<v Speaker 3>fell poked out his eyes. Blind he wandered about the forest,

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<v Speaker 3>eating nothing but grass and roots, and doing nothing but

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<v Speaker 3>weeping and wailing over the loss of his beloved wife.

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<v Speaker 3>Thus he wandered about miserably for some years, finally happening

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<v Speaker 3>into the wilderness where Rapunzel lived miserably with the twins

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<v Speaker 3>that she had given birth to. He heard a voice

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<v Speaker 3>and thought it was familiar. He advanced toward it, and

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<v Speaker 3>as he approached, Rapunzel recognized him, and, crying, threw her

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<v Speaker 3>arms around his neck. Two of her tears fell into

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<v Speaker 3>his eyes, and they became clear once again, and he

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<v Speaker 3>could see as well as before. He led her to

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<v Speaker 3>his kingdom, where he was received with joy, and for

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<v Speaker 3>a long time they lived happily and satisfied.

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<v Speaker 2>As someone who has an incredibly sensitive head, I always

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<v Speaker 2>cringed at the prince climbing Rapunzel's hair, and also what

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<v Speaker 2>about footholds, I don't know. It never made sense to me.

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<v Speaker 2>The story of Rapunzel could have been based on the

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<v Speaker 2>Christian legend of Saint Barbara, whose story was first recorded

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<v Speaker 2>by the Archbishop of Genoa, Jacobis Dave Virognay. It was

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<v Speaker 2>published in the Legenda Aria between twelve sixty five and

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<v Speaker 2>twelve sixty six. Saint Barbara was a third century martyr

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<v Speaker 2>who lived in either what would now be present day

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<v Speaker 2>Turkey or present day Lebanon. Dioscorus, who was her pagan father,

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<v Speaker 2>locked her in a tower to hide her great beauty

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<v Speaker 2>from the world. Still, many a prince called for her

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<v Speaker 2>hand in marriage, but she refused them all. While Dioscorus

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<v Speaker 2>was away on business, Saint Barbara had a third window

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<v Speaker 2>installed in her tower in honor of the Blessed Trinity.

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<v Speaker 2>The Blessed Trinity is part of the Christian faith that

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<v Speaker 2>believes the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all part

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<v Speaker 2>of God. When Dioscorus returned, Saint Barbara showed him the

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<v Speaker 2>window and confessed her Christian faith to him. Naturally, he

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<v Speaker 2>was angry and drew his sword to kill his daughter,

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<v Speaker 2>but Saint Barbara swiftly prayed to God, who opened a

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<v Speaker 2>hole in the tower for her to escape. Unfortunately, it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't long until she was captured and tortured before being beheaded.

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<v Speaker 2>It's said not long after that a bolt of lightning

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<v Speaker 2>killed her father. Because of this, Saint Barbara became the

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<v Speaker 2>patron Saint of explosives and lightning, and therefore artillery men

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<v Speaker 2>and miners because they use explosives. As a side note,

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty ten, thirty three Chilean miners were trapped underground

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<v Speaker 2>for two months. Upon the rescue, many thinked Saint Barbara.

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<v Speaker 2>There are many stories of maidens and towers, but the

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<v Speaker 2>first time we hear of a maiden with long hair

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<v Speaker 2>is in an epic poem titled the Channamee. The story

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<v Speaker 2>recounts the history of pre Islamic Persia or Greater Iran

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<v Speaker 2>author and poet A Bulkassam for Dosi started this poem

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<v Speaker 2>in nine seventy seven and finished thirty three years later.

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<v Speaker 2>In ten ten. He wrote the poem at a time

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<v Speaker 2>himwen Persia, which is now modern Iran, was forming and

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<v Speaker 2>the standard for its language was being set. Unlike other

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<v Speaker 2>maiden in Tower stories, the maiden in Shaannamee, Rudiba, isn't trapped.

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<v Speaker 2>She goes there to wait for her lovers all In

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<v Speaker 2>the most famous scene, Rudiba lets down her long hair

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<v Speaker 2>and tells him to climate, but Zal says no and

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<v Speaker 2>uses a rope instead. But apart from a Filipino version,

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<v Speaker 2>all stories of maidens in the Tower have long flowing hair.

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<v Speaker 2>But how did we get from the Shanamee to Rapunzel,

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<v Speaker 2>It actually started with Parsley. In sixteen thirty four, Italian

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<v Speaker 2>author John Batista Bazilee published Petro Snela, which translates to

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<v Speaker 2>Little Parsley. Very few people saw this story because the

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<v Speaker 2>language it was written in was obscure. A pregnant woman

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<v Speaker 2>named Pascadosia was living beside an ogres. One day, she

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<v Speaker 2>looks out her window and sees the ogress has a

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<v Speaker 2>beautiful bed of parsley in her garden. The woman, unable

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<v Speaker 2>to contain herself, waits for the ogress to leave before

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<v Speaker 2>going to the garden to take a handful of the herb.

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<v Speaker 2>The ogress comes home to cook her meal and sees

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<v Speaker 2>some of her parsley has been stolen. Angered she swears vengeance.

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<v Speaker 2>Even so, Pascadosia continues to steal parsley from the ogress.

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<v Speaker 2>One day, the ogress catches Pascadosia and the woman pleads

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<v Speaker 2>for her in her unborn baby's life. The ogress says

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<v Speaker 2>she'll spare the woman in exchange for the unborn cho

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<v Speaker 2>Pascadosia agrees. Later, she gives birth to the most beautiful

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<v Speaker 2>little girl named Petro Sonella. When the girl turns seven,

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<v Speaker 2>she is sent to school. Every day she passes by

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<v Speaker 2>the ogress, and every day the ogress tells the girl

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<v Speaker 2>to remind her mother of her promise. Finally, Pascadozia is

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<v Speaker 2>so irritated she tells her daughter that the next time

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<v Speaker 2>the ogress reminds Petro Snella of her mother's promise, to

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<v Speaker 2>say take it. When the young girl does as she

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<v Speaker 2>is told, the ogress grabs her by her hair and

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<v Speaker 2>drags her to the woods and locks her in a tower.

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<v Speaker 2>There is no door or ladder. The only way to

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<v Speaker 2>get in and out is to climb Petro Sonella's hair.

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<v Speaker 2>Petro Sonella grows into a beautiful young woman with two

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<v Speaker 2>gleaming braids of golden hair. One day after the ogre

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<v Speaker 2>is away, a prince comes across her and instantly falls

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<v Speaker 2>in love. She agrees to let him climb her hair

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<v Speaker 2>into the tower. After that first encounter, there are many

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<v Speaker 2>days of getting to know each other. As Basillie writes,

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<v Speaker 2>Petra Snella and the prince becomes so intimate that they

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<v Speaker 2>made an appointment to meet. That night, Petra Snella doses

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<v Speaker 2>the ogress with poppy juice so that she would not wake,

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<v Speaker 2>and then pulls the prince into the tower with her hair,

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<v Speaker 2>where he stays for the night. The next morning, Petrasonella

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<v Speaker 2>lets him back down. This happens so much a local

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<v Speaker 2>gossip finds out and tells the ogress. The ogress then

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<v Speaker 2>puts a spell on Petrasnella so that she has to

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<v Speaker 2>have three acorns or she won't find her way out.

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<v Speaker 1>Of the woods.

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<v Speaker 2>But Petra Snella overhears the ogress talking to the gossip

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<v Speaker 2>about the spell. Night, she has the prince find the acorns.

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<v Speaker 2>The two had been working on a rope ladder that

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<v Speaker 2>they used to climb down the tower. Before they head

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<v Speaker 2>for the city, the gossip sees Petra Snella and the

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<v Speaker 2>Prince and yells so loudly it wakes the Ogres. The

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<v Speaker 2>woman and ogress then begins chasing the couple. Petra Snella

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<v Speaker 2>throws an acorn at them, and when it breaks open,

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<v Speaker 2>a ferocious dog springs forth and swallows the gossip, But

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<v Speaker 2>the Ogress pulls out some bread to give to the

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<v Speaker 2>dog and continues to pursue the lovers. Then Petra Snella

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<v Speaker 2>throws the second acorn and a lion jumps out. The

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<v Speaker 2>Ogress quickly finds a donkey in the middle of a meadow,

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<v Speaker 2>strips it of its skin, and then puts it on

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<v Speaker 2>and attacks the lion. The lion, thinking it's a real donkey,

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<v Speaker 2>runs away. Petra Snella throws the third and final acorn.

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<v Speaker 2>The Ogris, who is worried the lion might come back,

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<v Speaker 2>is still wearing the donkey's skin, so when a wolf

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<v Speaker 2>jumps out, it devours her whole. The lovers are safe.

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<v Speaker 2>They return to the Prince's kingdom, where the king gives

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<v Speaker 2>the too his blessing. Petra Snella and the Prince Mary.

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<v Speaker 2>The moral Basilier writes at the end of this story

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<v Speaker 2>is when hour in port, the sailor, freed from fears,

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<v Speaker 2>forgets the tempests of one hundred years. Basically, basili is

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<v Speaker 2>saying that Petrasonnella's happily ever after can help her forget

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<v Speaker 2>the awfulness she dealt with before. In most Rapunzel stories,

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<v Speaker 2>the pregnant woman craves Parsley or Rapunzel, or some kind

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<v Speaker 2>of vegetable or fruit. In the seventeenth century, when Basilier

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<v Speaker 2>was writing, folk wisdom held the denying a pregnant woman

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<v Speaker 2>her cravings would calls a miscarriage, stillbirth, or bad luck

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<v Speaker 2>for the baby. That's why family members would go to

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<v Speaker 2>great links to satisfy those cravings, and why in these

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<v Speaker 2>particular tales, couples made these really intense deals. We now

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<v Speaker 2>know that pregnancy cravings indicated that a woman probably wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>getting the vitamins and minerals she needed, especially in the

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<v Speaker 2>lower farming classes, which highlights the story's humble beginnings. But

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<v Speaker 2>there were a lot of takes on Parsley. In nineteenth

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<v Speaker 2>century Britain. Many believed that of too much parsley grut

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<v Speaker 2>in one's garden, a family would have only girls. Common

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<v Speaker 2>British law also held that if a woman of childbearing

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<v Speaker 2>age planted parsley, she would become pregnant before it began

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<v Speaker 2>to grow. There are a lot of ideas about parsley,

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<v Speaker 2>but here are a couple I've found really interesting. Parsley

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<v Speaker 2>it flourishes only when planted by a witch. One should

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<v Speaker 2>never transplant or give away parsley as a gift, lest

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<v Speaker 2>the recipient become ill or have bad luck. Stories abound

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<v Speaker 2>in rule England that children who ask about the origin

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<v Speaker 2>of babies are told babies are dug up from parsi

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<v Speaker 2>beds using golden shovels, and an old English saying goes

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<v Speaker 2>Parsley grows for the wicked, but not for the just.

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<v Speaker 2>It's important to note that evil was often used to

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<v Speaker 2>condemn a witch, midwife, or medicine woman because it was

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<v Speaker 2>suspicious they knew how to use plants to save a

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<v Speaker 2>woman's life if there were complications during pregnancy. After Bazille

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<v Speaker 2>published his version of Rapunzel, French author Charlotte Rose de

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<v Speaker 2>Commande de la Force published Percinet in sixteen ninety seven.

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<v Speaker 2>This was during the time when women in French salon

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<v Speaker 2>culture were writing fairy tales. In fact, many Rapunzel like

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<v Speaker 2>stories came from France because tower prisons were popular devices

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<v Speaker 2>of the French salon authors. Folklore's doctor Claudia Schwabe is

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<v Speaker 2>a professor of German at Utah State University. She explained

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<v Speaker 2>why seventeenth century women wrote these stories.

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<v Speaker 1>Most of these were told by women from the French

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<v Speaker 1>salon culture, so these were told by women for women,

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<v Speaker 1>and a lot of these tales were sort of meant

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<v Speaker 1>to give women an idea about marriage and what kind

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<v Speaker 1>of challenges to expect when you get married, and then

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<v Speaker 1>also to give them an idea of independence and how

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<v Speaker 1>that could look like.

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<v Speaker 2>But unlike the brothers Grim who claimed their stories came

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<v Speaker 2>from everyday people, these authors wanted to distance themselves from

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<v Speaker 2>the folk. To drive home that point, De la Force

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<v Speaker 2>even claimed that the idea for Percinet was entirely her

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<v Speaker 2>own creation. Percinet is different, and that it is almost

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<v Speaker 2>four times longer than the brother's Grim version and includes

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<v Speaker 2>many additions to the plot. In her version, a young

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<v Speaker 2>couple is preparing for their first child when the woman

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<v Speaker 2>starts craving parsley, she sees some in the garden next door.

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<v Speaker 2>The two know the garden is owned by a fairy,

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<v Speaker 2>but the husband sneaks in Parsley anyway. The second time

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<v Speaker 2>the husband sneaks into the garden, he is caught by

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<v Speaker 2>the fairy. She promises to let him go and exchange

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<v Speaker 2>for the unborn child. After the girl is born, the

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<v Speaker 2>wife willingly gives the girl to the fairy. The fairy

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<v Speaker 2>raises the girl Personette. When she has grown, the fairy

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<v Speaker 2>locks her in a silver tower. It's beautiful, except it

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<v Speaker 2>has no doors. The fairy must call Percinet and climb

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<v Speaker 2>up her hair to get in. Personette is given all

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<v Speaker 2>the luxuries in this version. Her tower has grand rooms

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<v Speaker 2>filled with all the natural daylight. As a baby, her

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<v Speaker 2>sheets are made of gold, She has drawers full of jewels,

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<v Speaker 2>and her wardrobe was as magnificent as that of the

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<v Speaker 2>Queen of Asia. She has delicious food, reads pains, and

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<v Speaker 2>plays music. She is raised as a well educated woman.

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<v Speaker 2>This mirrors the fact that when da la Force wrote this,

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<v Speaker 2>French culture was all about having the best and newest luxuries.

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<v Speaker 2>It was all about opulence and indulgence. Years go by

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<v Speaker 2>until one day a prince here's a maiden singing. He

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<v Speaker 2>follows the voice until he finds Percinet. He calls to her,

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<v Speaker 2>but she is terrified and doesn't respond. The fairy has

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<v Speaker 2>taught her men are monsters who can kill with a

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<v Speaker 2>single look. The prince learns from a nearby village that

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<v Speaker 2>Perconet is the fairy's prisoner, so he goes back and

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<v Speaker 2>hides and waits for the fairy. He then sees how

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<v Speaker 2>the fairy calls to Perconet to get into the tower.

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<v Speaker 2>The next day, the prince returns and mimics the fairy

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<v Speaker 2>when he reaches the top. Perconete is again terrified, but

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<v Speaker 2>the prince convinces her of his love. He immediately proposes

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<v Speaker 2>to her, and then the two have sex. Or, as

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<v Speaker 2>Mademoiselle de la Force puts it, Percinette consented without hardly

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<v Speaker 2>knowing what she was doing, Even so she was able

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<v Speaker 2>to complete the ceremony. The prince continues to visit, but

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<v Speaker 2>Percinette's belly begins to swell. Not understanding she is pregnant,

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<v Speaker 2>she asks the fairy why her clothes have gotten tighter.

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<v Speaker 2>The fairy realizes what's happened and is furious. She cuts

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<v Speaker 2>off Personette's braids and uses magic to send her to

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<v Speaker 2>a remote place, where Percinet gives birth to twins. When

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<v Speaker 2>the prince shows up, the fairy tricks him into climbing

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<v Speaker 2>up and then flings him from the tower, where he

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<v Speaker 2>is blinded by briar thorns. The prince searches for Percinet

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<v Speaker 2>for years. When he finds her, Percinet cries tears of

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<v Speaker 2>joy at the reunion, Her tears fall into his eyes

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<v Speaker 2>and heal his sight. But the Fairy is still angry,

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<v Speaker 2>so she makes their life a living hell. The family

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<v Speaker 2>prepares to die, but the lovers continue to stay happy

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<v Speaker 2>at finally finding each other again. It is this happiness

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<v Speaker 2>that finally melts the Fairy's heart. She forgives them, blesses them,

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<v Speaker 2>and then returns them to the castle, where the king

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<v Speaker 2>and Queen receive them with open arms. In these stories,

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<v Speaker 2>although Reponsel has little say in her fate due to

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<v Speaker 2>her parents' choices, she is not a passive maiden. She

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<v Speaker 2>is rebellious and strong willed. In Bezillai's version, she's even cunning.

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<v Speaker 2>Rapunzel doesn't lack agency, and in the end takes control

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<v Speaker 2>of her own fate, but she doesn't stay that way

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<v Speaker 2>for long. Parsley became Rapunzel in seventeen ninety when Frederick

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<v Speaker 2>Schultz created his own tail, which was basically a German

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<v Speaker 2>translation of Percinet. That is, where the Brother's Grim pick

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<v Speaker 2>it up. Like its predecessors, the Brother's Grim version begins

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<v Speaker 2>pretty much the same way. A couple desperately wants a child,

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<v Speaker 2>but to no avail. Every day, the woman looks into

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<v Speaker 2>the garden next door and sees the most beautiful flowers

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<v Speaker 2>and herbs. The garden is surrounded by a high wall,

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<v Speaker 2>and no one dares enter because everyone knows a garden

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<v Speaker 2>is owned by a sorceress. One day, the woman is

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<v Speaker 2>staring at the rapunzel plant, which is also known as rampion,

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<v Speaker 2>and begins craving sound. She would have no peace until

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<v Speaker 2>her craving could be satisfied, so her husband sneaks into

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<v Speaker 2>the garden and steals them for his wife. She makes

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<v Speaker 2>a salad and is content, that is until the next day,

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<v Speaker 2>when her craving returns threefold. The husband waits until it's

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<v Speaker 2>dark before once again climbing over the wall, but this

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<v Speaker 2>time the sorceress is waiting for him, taking pity on him.

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<v Speaker 2>Mother Gothel, who is the sorceress, says he can take

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<v Speaker 2>as much a Punzel as he wants in exchange for

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<v Speaker 2>his firstborn. The man agrees. When the woman gives birth,

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<v Speaker 2>the sorceress appears, names the child Rapunzel, and then takes

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<v Speaker 2>her away. Rapunzel becomes the most beautiful child under the sun.

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<v Speaker 2>When Rapunzel turns twelve years old, the sorceress locks her

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<v Speaker 2>in a tower with only a window to get anyone

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<v Speaker 2>in or out. And here is where we come full

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<v Speaker 2>circle to the brother's Grim excerpt you heard at the

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<v Speaker 2>beginning of the episode. Doctor Schwabe says the biggest difference

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<v Speaker 2>in the Grim version and the previous versions is the

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<v Speaker 2>explicit mention of premarital sex. The Grims eventually removed that completely.

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<v Speaker 1>Previously, there was a reference of a Punzel saying to

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<v Speaker 1>mother Gothel, how come my dress is getting so tight

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<v Speaker 1>around my waistline, And this was implying that she is

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<v Speaker 1>already pregnant. So the prince and to her they had sex,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was just too much for the Grims, so

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<v Speaker 1>they just eliminated this reference and swapped it out with

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<v Speaker 1>the slip of tongue.

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<v Speaker 2>In the original eighteen twelve story, the Grims or Punzel

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<v Speaker 2>was like earlier tales, and that the maiden gets pregnant

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<v Speaker 2>and gives birth to twins. But the Grims were conservative,

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<v Speaker 2>and when they realized their stories were popular with children,

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<v Speaker 2>they did some strategic censoring. By their eighteen fifty seven

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<v Speaker 2>edition of Collected Tales, the pregnancy and twins had been

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<v Speaker 2>removed entirely. That's a version you heard in this episode.

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<v Speaker 2>In removing the pregnancy and birth, the Grims made their

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<v Speaker 2>Rapunzel more passive. It ennuls the story of a woman

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<v Speaker 2>giving birth alone in the wild, which, if you ask

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<v Speaker 2>anyone who has given birth, is not an easy feat.

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<v Speaker 2>So throughout two hundred years, Rapunzel's character changed from a

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<v Speaker 2>spunky heroine who has sex, rescues herself from prison, and

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<v Speaker 2>gives birth solo to a naive, innocent But Rapunzel wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>stay a meek woman for long. Walt Disney released its

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<v Speaker 2>own adaptation of Rapunzel in twenty ten. The feature length

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<v Speaker 2>cartoon is titled Tangled, and it involves a princess, sorceress, thief,

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<v Speaker 2>and cute little chameleon. In this story, a thief named

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<v Speaker 2>Flynn Writer happens upon Rapunzel while he's trying to avoid

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<v Speaker 2>the King's guards. Unlike other stories, Rapunzel is already a princess,

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<v Speaker 2>she just doesn't know it. And once a year, the

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<v Speaker 2>whole kingdom releases sky lanterns with lights in them and

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<v Speaker 2>hopes the princess will find her way back home. The

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<v Speaker 2>kingdom doesn't know that the sorceress Mother Goffel, had stolen

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<v Speaker 2>Rapunzel from her crib. The story is similar to De

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<v Speaker 2>la Forces and that Rapunzel is given luxuries, and one

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<v Speaker 2>such luxury is paints. She sees the sky lanterns every

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<v Speaker 2>year and has painted them on her wall, and she's

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<v Speaker 2>smart enough to recognize the sky lanterns align with her birthday.

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<v Speaker 2>Rapunzel begs Mother Gofel to let her go see the

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<v Speaker 2>sky lanterns, but Mother Gothel talks her out of it.

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<v Speaker 2>The sorceress scares her and convinces Rapunzel she needs to

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<v Speaker 2>stay isolated and protected. Giving in to Mother Gothel's argument,

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<v Speaker 2>Rapundle agrees, that is until Flynn Writer shows up. Doctor

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<v Speaker 2>Schwabe says, in this version, Disney made the characters more relatable.

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<v Speaker 2>For example, when Flynn Rider first climbs into the tower,

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<v Speaker 2>Rapunzel clabors him with the frying pan.

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<v Speaker 1>I think modern readers and viewers they really want an

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<v Speaker 1>active heroine these days who can be a match for

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<v Speaker 1>any fairy or witch. What I personally like how feisty

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<v Speaker 1>she is and how she takes the pan and whips

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<v Speaker 1>the pan over Flynn Ryder. Yeah, so she takes the

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<v Speaker 1>pan and she smacks him with it. Even though she's

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<v Speaker 1>sort of trapped in this tower and seems helpless, she

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<v Speaker 1>actually can stand up for herself. She's not afraid of

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<v Speaker 1>the robbers. Den Flynn writer tries to scare her by

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<v Speaker 1>taking her to this in filled with thieves and robbers,

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<v Speaker 1>but she's not scared at all. And she uses her

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<v Speaker 1>hair as a weapon. How cool is that. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>she can use it, you know, to strike out, and

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<v Speaker 1>she stared these karate moves and she's very independent and

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<v Speaker 1>self confident that way.

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<v Speaker 2>In the previous stories, Rapunzel is a maiden who comes

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<v Speaker 2>from a humble background. She becomes a princess when the

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<v Speaker 2>Prince finds her and the two Mary, But in Disney's Tangled,

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<v Speaker 2>the roles have been reversed. Rapunzel is a princess and

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<v Speaker 2>Flynn Wrider is a lily thief, so it's his status

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<v Speaker 2>that becomes elevated when the two are married. Then, in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twelve, international best selling author Kate Forsyth published Bitter Greens.

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<v Speaker 2>The novel blends De la Force's personal story with that

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<v Speaker 2>of De la Force's history is colorful. She was the

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<v Speaker 2>cousin of Louis the fourteenth of France, who was known

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<v Speaker 2>as a son king. She was banished from court for

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<v Speaker 2>having an affair with an impoverished actor, who she later

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<v Speaker 2>dressed as a dancing bear to try and help rescue.

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<v Speaker 2>She was also accused of using black magic to ensnare

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<v Speaker 2>a husband, and then later she wrote scandalous novels about

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<v Speaker 2>the king's even more notorious sexual exploits.

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<v Speaker 3>So off to a.

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<v Speaker 2>Convent she was sent, and it was there she wrote Rapunzel.

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<v Speaker 2>In Forcis's Bitter Greens, De la Force is a character

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<v Speaker 2>who is comforted by an old nun. The nun tells

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<v Speaker 2>her the story of a young girl from one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>years earlier whose parents sold her for a handful of

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<v Speaker 2>bitter greens. The novel is set in Italy, and the

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<v Speaker 2>young girl's name in the novel is Margarita. It's her

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<v Speaker 2>father who steals part from a cortison named Selina Leonelli.

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<v Speaker 2>Leah Nelly threatens to cut off the man's hands unless

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<v Speaker 2>he and his wife give her their little girl. Of course,

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<v Speaker 2>they acquiesce. The story continues from there in your weaving

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<v Speaker 2>de la Force's, Margarita's, and Lea Nelly's stories. It's an

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<v Speaker 2>exploration about the difficult situations and the limited world women

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<v Speaker 2>found themselves in and how they endured. In twenty fourteen,

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<v Speaker 2>New York Times bestselling author Marissa Meyer published her adaptation Kres.

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<v Speaker 2>We've talked about the Lunar chronicles in the show a

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<v Speaker 2>couple different times. Cress is the third book in the series.

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<v Speaker 2>I interviewed Marissa Meyer in a previous episode if you'd

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<v Speaker 2>like to hear more about her and her fairy tale adaptations.

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<v Speaker 2>In Meyer's novel, sixteen year old Kress isn't trapped in

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<v Speaker 2>a tower but an orbiting satellite, and she's a hacker

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<v Speaker 2>and programmer. And the Prince isn't a prince but a

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<v Speaker 2>space thief named Carswell Thorn whose ship is named Rampion.

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<v Speaker 2>Cress is trapped by the evil queen and her hacker

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<v Speaker 2>powers are being used to help the bad guys, but

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<v Speaker 2>Cres rebels and eventually escapes. This adaptation has a strong

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<v Speaker 2>reflection of the medieval stories, and that Thorn, who is

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<v Speaker 2>aptly named, is blinded from a blow to the head.

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<v Speaker 2>When the satellite crash lands with him and Kress aboard,

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<v Speaker 2>they are stuck in the desert, and Chress is the

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<v Speaker 2>one who must bring the two to safety. Again we

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<v Speaker 2>see the Rapunzel character pushing against the boundaries she's been given,

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<v Speaker 2>and again it's her saving herself and in this case

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<v Speaker 2>the guy as well. She may have been trapped, but

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<v Speaker 2>she found a way out. Although these modern adaptations have

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<v Speaker 2>reclaimed Rapunzel's agency, there are other ways to interpret her story.

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<v Speaker 2>For example, Pullitz, surprise winning poet and Sexton's adaptation her

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<v Speaker 2>poem Rapunzel, was published in nineteen seventy one. An essay

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<v Speaker 2>by Britney Cussman argues the first half of the poem

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<v Speaker 2>alludes to sexual abuse between an older and younger woman,

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<v Speaker 2>something Sexton survived as a child with a predatory aunt.

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<v Speaker 2>It isn't until halfway through the poem that the story

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<v Speaker 2>we know of her Punzel shows back up without Sexton

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<v Speaker 2>telling us directly. Maybe that is how she viewed her Punzel,

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<v Speaker 2>an older woman locking away a beautiful young woman so

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<v Speaker 2>only she would have access to her, and maybe she

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<v Speaker 2>used the story as a way to work through it.

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<v Speaker 2>Another idea comes from doctor Schwabe.

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<v Speaker 1>You can read their tale and say, Okay, maybe this

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<v Speaker 1>is a cautionary tale addressed to the parents to show, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>you know the overprotective kind. You cannot overprotect your child

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<v Speaker 1>and expect everything to go well in the end. Imprisoning

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<v Speaker 1>your child is a little bit over the top. But

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<v Speaker 1>we still have helicopter parents, and we still have parents

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<v Speaker 1>who try to really protect their children from every single thing.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think this is something we can take away

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<v Speaker 1>even today. So in a sense, these tales are still contemporary.

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<v Speaker 2>You can read the de la Force, forsythe and Meyer

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<v Speaker 2>stories of her Punzle as examples of a maiden who

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<v Speaker 2>rescues herself. It's also a story that shows us all

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<v Speaker 2>that we have the power to change our fate. Her

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<v Speaker 2>Punzel is a force to be reckoned with. She's brave

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<v Speaker 2>and headstrong and curious, and she's a reminder to any

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<v Speaker 2>of us who feel trapped there is a way out.

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