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Speaker 1: A school of humans.

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Speaker 2: This episode discusses sensitive topics. Please listen with care. My

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Speaker 2: name is Miranda Hawkins. Welcome to the Deep Dark Woods.

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Speaker 2: Today's story is Atu three ten or Rapunzel.

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Speaker 3: Rapunzel had splendid, long hair as fine as spun gold.

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Speaker 3: When she heard the sorceress's voice, she untied her braids,

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Speaker 3: wound them around a window hook, let her hair fall

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Speaker 3: twenty yards to the ground, and the sorceress climbed up it.

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Speaker 3: A few years later, it happened that a king's son

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Speaker 3: was riding through the forest. As he approached the tower,

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Speaker 3: he heard a psalm so beautiful that he stopped to listen.

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Speaker 3: It was Rapunzel, who was passing the time by singing

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Speaker 3: with her sweet voice. The prince wanted to climb up

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Speaker 3: to her and looked for a door in the tower,

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Speaker 3: but none was to be found. He rode home, but

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Speaker 3: the song had so touched his heart that he returned

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Speaker 3: to the forest every day and listened to it. One time,

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Speaker 3: as he was thus standing behind a tree, he saw

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Speaker 3: the sorceress approach and heard her say, Rapunzel, Rapunzel, let

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Speaker 3: down your hair. Then Rapunzel let down her strands of

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Speaker 3: hair and the sorceress climbed up them to her. If

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Speaker 3: that is the latter to the tower, then sometime I

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Speaker 3: will try my luck. And the next day, just as

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Speaker 3: it was beginning to get dark, he went to the

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Speaker 3: tower and called out, Rapunzel, Rapunzel, let down your hair.

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Speaker 3: The hair fell down, and the prince climbed up. At first,

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Speaker 3: Rapunzel was terribly frightened when a man such as she

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Speaker 3: telling her that his heart had been so touched by

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Speaker 3: her singing that he could have no peace until he

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Speaker 3: had seen her in person. Then Rapunzel lost her fear,

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Speaker 3: and when he asked her if she would take him

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Speaker 3: than old fraw gothel. She said yes and placed her

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Speaker 3: hand into his. She said, I would go with you gladly,

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Speaker 3: but I do not know how to get down. Every

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Speaker 3: which I will weave a ladder. When it is finished,

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Speaker 3: on your horse. They arranged that he would come to

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Speaker 3: The sorceress did not notice what was happening until one

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Speaker 3: any moment. Now, you godless child, cried the sorceress, What

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Speaker 3: me none the less. In her anger, she grabbed Rapunzel's

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Speaker 3: beautiful hair, wrapped it a few times around her left hand,

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Speaker 3: On the evening of the same day that she sent

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Speaker 3: She let down the hair. The prince climbed up, but above,

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Speaker 3: instead of his beloved Rapunzel, he found the sorceress, who

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Speaker 4: Aha, she cried scornfully.

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Speaker 3: You have come for your man, mistress.

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Speaker 4: Darling, But that beautiful bird is no longer sitting in

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Speaker 3: See her again. The prince was overcome with grief, and

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Speaker 3: Thus he wandered about miserably for some years, finally happening

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Speaker 2: As someone who has an incredibly sensitive head, I always

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Speaker 2: The story of Rapunzel could have been based on the

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Speaker 2: Christian legend of Saint Barbara, whose story was first recorded

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Speaker 2: The Blessed Trinity is part of the Christian faith that

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Speaker 2: patron Saint of explosives and lightning, and therefore artillery men

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Speaker 2: There are many stories of maidens and towers, but the

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Speaker 2: is in an epic poem titled the Channamee. The story

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Speaker 2: recounts the history of pre Islamic Persia or Greater Iran

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Speaker 2: author and poet A Bulkassam for Dosi started this poem

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Speaker 2: himwen Persia, which is now modern Iran, was forming and

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Speaker 2: the standard for its language was being set. Unlike other

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Speaker 2: maiden in Tower stories, the maiden in Shaannamee, Rudiba, isn't trapped.

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Speaker 2: She goes there to wait for her lovers all In

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Speaker 2: the most famous scene, Rudiba lets down her long hair

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Speaker 2: and tells him to climate, but Zal says no and

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Speaker 2: But how did we get from the Shanamee to Rapunzel,

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Speaker 2: It actually started with Parsley. In sixteen thirty four, Italian

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Speaker 2: author John Batista Bazilee published Petro Snela, which translates to

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Speaker 2: Little Parsley. Very few people saw this story because the

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Speaker 2: Even so, Pascadosia continues to steal parsley from the ogress.

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Speaker 2: Pascadosia agrees. Later, she gives birth to the most beautiful

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Speaker 2: made an appointment to meet. That night, Petra Snella doses

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Speaker 2: where he stays for the night. The next morning, Petrasonella

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Speaker 2: But Petra Snella overhears the ogress talking to the gossip

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Speaker 2: The two had been working on a rope ladder that

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Speaker 2: They return to the Prince's kingdom, where the king gives

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Speaker 2: The moral Basilier writes at the end of this story

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Speaker 2: is when hour in port, the sailor, freed from fears,

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Speaker 2: saying that Petrasonnella's happily ever after can help her forget

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Speaker 2: the awfulness she dealt with before. In most Rapunzel stories,

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Speaker 2: the pregnant woman craves Parsley or Rapunzel, or some kind

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Speaker 2: know that pregnancy cravings indicated that a woman probably wasn't

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Speaker 2: lower farming classes, which highlights the story's humble beginnings. But

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Speaker 2: there were a lot of takes on Parsley. In nineteenth

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Speaker 2: in one's garden, a family would have only girls. Common

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Speaker 2: New York Times bestselling author Marissa Meyer published her adaptation Kres.

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Speaker 2: I interviewed Marissa Meyer in a previous episode if you'd

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Speaker 2: In Meyer's novel, sixteen year old Kress isn't trapped in

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Speaker 2: For example, Pullitz, surprise winning poet and Sexton's adaptation her

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Speaker 2: poem Rapunzel, was published in nineteen seventy one. An essay

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Speaker 2: telling us directly. Maybe that is how she viewed her Punzel,

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Speaker 2: Another idea comes from doctor Schwabe.

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Speaker 1: You can read their tale and say, Okay, maybe this

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Speaker 1: you know the overprotective kind. You cannot overprotect your child

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Speaker 1: And I think this is something we can take away

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Speaker 2: You can read the de la Force, forsythe and Meyer

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Speaker 2: that we have the power to change our fate. Her

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Speaker 2: Punzel is a force to be reckoned with. She's brave

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Speaker 2: of us who feel trapped there is a way out.

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Speaker 2: Next time, Who's the Fairest in All the Land? The

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Speaker 2: Deep Dark Woods is a production of School of Humans

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Speaker 2: and iheartpot Casts. It was created, written, and hosted by

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Speaker 2: me Miranda Hawkins. This episode was produced by mikel. June

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Speaker 2: was senior producer Gabby Watts. Executive producers are Virginia Prescott,

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Speaker 2: Brandon Barr, Elsie Crowley, and Maya Howard. Stories were voiced

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Speaker 2: by Julia Christgau. Theme song was composed by Jesse Niswanger.

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Speaker 2: This episode was sound designed and mixed by Chris Childs.

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