1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:02,600 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. I'm tamor Judge. 2 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 2: And I'm Dan Gesling and. 3 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:11,639 Speaker 3: You're listening to Talking a Big Game. Welcome to another 4 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 3: episode of Talking a Big Game. I am Tamar Judge 5 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:17,280 Speaker 3: and I'm here with my co host and Geesling. 6 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:18,120 Speaker 2: Excited to be here? 7 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:19,079 Speaker 1: Are you excited? 8 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:22,240 Speaker 4: I'm very excited because of the pre show I just 9 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 4: found out. So Tam and I spent a lot of 10 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 4: time together, recording podcasts, hanging out, when out to dinner 11 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 4: with her and her husband, and she just dropped a 12 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 4: bomb on me. I'm like, hey, what are you doing 13 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 4: after the podcast? 14 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 1: And you said, I'm getting new hair extensions And. 15 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 2: I'm like, you don't have hair extensions. 16 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: Like I have hair extensions. 17 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 4: Dan, I'm very perceptive, and I was like, you know, 18 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 4: a seat cushion away from you, I had no idea. 19 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 3: Well, your wife clearly doesn't have hair extensions, right, No, 20 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:52,159 Speaker 3: But what's like your wife you would know something about it? Well, Dan, 21 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 3: you know some of us aren't as blessed as others 22 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 3: when it comes to hair, and so I have to 23 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 3: have it, you know, just a couple of rows there 24 00:00:58,640 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 3: sewn in? 25 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 2: Just is it human hair? What kind of hair? Is it? 26 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 1: Yes, good question. I hope it is. I don't know. 27 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: It's not like synthetic, it's not like animal hair. 28 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 5: I don't know. 29 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:11,960 Speaker 4: And then what's the process is like someone comes to 30 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 4: your house and what are they doing to my house? 31 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:16,960 Speaker 3: They it's a big long weft it's called and they 32 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 3: they beat it and sew it into my head. And 33 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 3: then as it gradually grows out, it takes about two months, 34 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 3: and then they use the same hair and they move 35 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 3: it back up and sew. 36 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 2: It back in. Would they sew it to your existing hair? 37 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 5: Yes? 38 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 4: Yes, so like doesn't it I don't know. Is it 39 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 4: like they like do miny braids and tie it to 40 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 4: your hair? Is it like weaved in your hairs? 41 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: Are like, it's not a party city wig. 42 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 3: Okay, I don't go to party city and get like 43 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 3: if they're expensive, the hair is like seven to seven 44 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 3: hundred to one thousand dollars. 45 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 2: For the hair, Okay, So it's got to be real hair. 46 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 2: There's no way they're charging all real hair. 47 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 1: Yes. 48 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 2: Well, I'm learning a lot from you, Tamaran. 49 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 3: I know well, you know, Dan, I don't know what 50 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 3: to tell you. I can I can have some put 51 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 3: in your head. You can understand the process. 52 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 2: Hey, you know what, That's why I'm here. But I'm excited. 53 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 2: We have a new guest on Yes. 54 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 3: So today we have Chris Allen. He is an American 55 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 3: singer songwriter and a winner of the eighth season of 56 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 3: American Idol. So I just went on his Instagram and 57 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 3: did a little search. He's on tour right now. 58 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 4: I saw that he's coming to Michigan very soon. I 59 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:22,920 Speaker 4: think in the next couple of weeks. 60 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 3: Maybe when he comes into our town, because I saw 61 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 3: he's gonna be in La too. Do you think maybe 62 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 3: he will invite us to. 63 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 2: A show, you know, I guess it depends how the 64 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:31,639 Speaker 2: interview goes. 65 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, don't piss him off, Dan, don't piss him off. 66 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 4: I'm excited to talk to him about the process of 67 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 4: the game within American Idol because I see all these 68 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:44,920 Speaker 4: shows like Dancing with the Stars of American Idol and 69 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 4: they're not like considered in depth games. But I know 70 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 4: there's a metagame to how do you one up the 71 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 4: other people? And I can't wait to hear from him 72 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 4: as so the little things he did to differentiate himself. 73 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 3: I'm going to ask him this, But do you know, 74 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 3: do they win like a grand prize like a lot 75 00:02:57,760 --> 00:02:59,920 Speaker 3: of these shows, or do they just get like contract. 76 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure it is a contract, which I'm sure 77 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 4: is fairly lucrative. 78 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 3: And you know, like, oh, I'm sure, yeah. I mean 79 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 3: he he is touring right now. Yeah, you know, he's 80 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 3: got his American idol sign was No Boundaries and his 81 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 3: version of Heartless both charted within the top twenty of 82 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 3: the Billboard Hot one hundred. 83 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: So let's bring him in. 84 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 5: All right, let's do it, Chris, Guys, I don't do 85 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 5: these things very often. 86 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 3: I'm very sorry you don't know well that we're so 87 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:32,639 Speaker 3: lucky to hockey for us. 88 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, thank you for talking. 89 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 3: We did a little deep dive one on your Instagram. Okay, 90 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 3: you don't follow any housewives? 91 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 2: They ever going right for the jocket? 92 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 5: I love it? Yes, right in there, huh. 93 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, christ Chris, in your extended circle Watchhousewives. I'm like 94 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 4: someone in your extended circle. 95 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 5: My wife is a fan. I'm sure I have other 96 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:00,080 Speaker 5: people that are fans as well well. 97 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 1: I just don't know where they are in this world. 98 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 5: We don't walk, we don't watch a lot of TV 99 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 5: at our house. 100 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 1: Where do you live? 101 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 5: I live in Nashville, Tennessee. 102 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 1: Oh nice, I love Nashville. It's only in there once. 103 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: I had a hell of a time from what I 104 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 1: can remember. 105 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 5: Hey, there's a lot of that. There's a lot of Yeah. 106 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:24,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why a lot of appearance down there, And 107 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 3: I just had so much fun there. 108 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 2: You go. 109 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 4: Chris, you said you don't watch a lot of TV 110 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 4: in your house. What does your family do in place 111 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:31,799 Speaker 4: of TV? 112 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 5: Well, is I would say that if I say that 113 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 5: we don't watch a lot of TV, we watch a 114 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 5: lot of Blue at our house. 115 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:39,160 Speaker 1: Is that a kid, Joe? 116 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 5: It is? Yeah, and it's actually really. 117 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 2: Great, Tamra. 118 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 4: You should watch an episode because as an adult, you know, 119 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 4: we watch in my family too. Like you walk away 120 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 4: as an adult or a parent and you're like, wow, 121 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 4: this is kind of some cords. 122 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really well done. 123 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:54,039 Speaker 1: Well, you guys have little kids. 124 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 3: My youngest is eighteen, so we're over Like back in 125 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 3: the day, it was Blues Clues, so that's my. 126 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 5: Bluey, So I feel like it. It kind of feels 127 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 5: like that. But also every once in a while, me 128 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 5: and my wife will will look at each other and 129 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 5: be like that was actually really funny or it'll be 130 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 5: some like very deep message that they're saying, and we're 131 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 5: just like, why are we crying right now? 132 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 2: It's true, I'm serious. 133 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: So since American Idol, you have gotten married, you have 134 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: two kids. 135 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:23,679 Speaker 5: I have three kids? 136 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 1: Three kids kids? 137 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, what are the ages? 138 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, so my youngest son's birthday is actually today. But 139 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,919 Speaker 5: so now they are eleven, eight and five. 140 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 1: Oh are those are good ages? 141 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 5: Yeah? 142 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 3: Ages where they can they can wipe their own butt, 143 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 3: they can kind of get food. 144 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: If they have five year olds, you know, he might 145 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: be who knows what, but at least they can kind 146 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 1: of take care of themselves a little bit. Well, you're 147 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:53,160 Speaker 1: not like, you know, prisoner to your children anymore. 148 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 5: It's very nice. Like they can go and ride their 149 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 5: bikes by themselves. It's great, it's great. 150 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I have four. Dan has three. 151 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 2: I got three. 152 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 4: So you're touring right now and you have, you know, 153 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 4: a wife and three kids. How do you do they 154 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:08,039 Speaker 4: come with you? How do you manage that? 155 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:10,720 Speaker 2: As a dad on the road doing that? 156 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 5: It's hard. So this is actually the first So we're 157 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 5: doing it a little bit different this year, trying something 158 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 5: different because usually in the past I've been touring and 159 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 5: it's been gone for like three weeks or sometimes longer, 160 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:25,799 Speaker 5: sometimes a little bit shorter, but for long stretches of times. 161 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 5: And then so this year we wanted to try something 162 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:30,839 Speaker 5: different to see if it works. And we've gone like 163 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 5: three stints of these little long weekends where it's been 164 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 5: like three shows or four shows, and then back home 165 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 5: for a couple of weeks, and it's been really good 166 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 5: so far. And then this past weekend was my other, 167 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 5: my oldest son's birthday, and he had never been to 168 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 5: New York City, so he came on the road with us. 169 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:52,279 Speaker 5: We did four shows, We did Boston, New York City, 170 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:57,280 Speaker 5: Philly and it was Yeah, it was a blast. 171 00:06:57,360 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 1: He did you perform in New York. 172 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 5: At Joe's Pub? Have you ever been? 173 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: Huh? I have? I don't know a lot. I mean 174 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 1: a few places there, but I'm just wondering where. 175 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 5: I feel like, I don't even I've been there a 176 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 5: million times and I still don't know where I am 177 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 5: in New York. 178 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 3: Isn't there like some likes something in winery or something 179 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 3: people perform in New York? 180 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, City, Winery is it. I've played there quite a bit, 181 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 5: but this place is awesome. Joe's Pub was great. It 182 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 5: was a fun show and my son had a blast. 183 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 5: We went and saw the Harry Potter Broadway. 184 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 3: Oh my god, I'm going. I'm going eighteenth. I'm going 185 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 3: to New York to be on Watch What Happens Live. 186 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 3: And this is the first time taking my My kids 187 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 3: are pretty much adults now. I'm taking one son and 188 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 3: his girlfriend he's twenty four, and then my daughter who 189 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 3: is almost nineteen. So we're going. We're gonna the last 190 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 3: day we're there, we're gonna watch Harry Potter because they're 191 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:54,559 Speaker 3: huge fans of Harry Potter. 192 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 1: I'm not is it good? It's good? 193 00:07:58,080 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 2: I was. 194 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 5: I love Harry Potter. I think it's great, but like 195 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 5: I wasn't excited about the show for some reason, and 196 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 5: I was just blown away. It was unbelievable. 197 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's long too, huns like. 198 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 5: Three three hours? Yeah, three hours. 199 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well I'm excited. 200 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 3: Well you're our best known for the winner of American 201 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 3: Ndol Season eight. Now let's go back to those moments. 202 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 3: All right, what was the entire IDOL process? 203 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 1: Like, how did you like, what did you have to 204 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 1: do to get on? Just I want to know everything. 205 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, so I feel like I got a little bit 206 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 5: tricked into trying out. My my brother was he had 207 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 5: tried out the season before I did and then didn't 208 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 5: make it and wanted to try it again. And then 209 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 5: he kind of came to me the day he was leaving. 210 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 5: He was like, why don't you just come with me? 211 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 5: And I was like, okay. So we drove to Louisville 212 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 5: through the night and it was nine hours from Little 213 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 5: Rock and got there super early in the morning. There 214 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 5: was fourteen thousand people there. 215 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: WHOA, that's like trying out for housewives. 216 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 5: It was wild. It was wild. We were the very 217 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 5: last people to try out that day, so we sat 218 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:09,199 Speaker 5: in the arena and just listen to so many people 219 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 5: saying some amazing, some not so amazing. But it was yeah, 220 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 5: it was wild, singing. Yeah we made so we've actually 221 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 5: both made it through that stage there those like first 222 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 5: that kind of cat call situation there, and that was 223 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 5: two thousand and eight, and then we kept we had 224 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 5: to go back a couple of weeks later. Gosh, the 225 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 5: timeline kind of like is forever ago. So I think 226 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 5: it was like two or three weeks later we had 227 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:40,680 Speaker 5: to go back to Louisville try it out again. And 228 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 5: that was when like the celebrity judges, like the Simon 229 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 5: and Randy and Paula and all that. Oh yeah, yeah, 230 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 5: what was. 231 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 2: That like for you? 232 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:50,199 Speaker 4: Like, so when you went home, you're like, okay, we 233 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 4: made it through this first filter. We'll call it like 234 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 4: where was your gauge on, Hey we can do this, 235 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 4: or hey, this is just kind of like a silly thing. 236 00:09:58,080 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 2: Let's see where it goes. 237 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 5: I think it's the felt like that. It's like the 238 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 5: latter of what you just said. I just feel like 239 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 5: it felt like, what are we like? This is a joke, right, 240 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 5: we made it through this far. It's not We're not 241 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 5: going to make it any further than this, but it 242 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 5: will at least like try out and have fun. And 243 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 5: and I feel like that's that was like a good 244 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 5: at least way to think about it. We weren't banking on. 245 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: It, yeah, because you won, well you won, You freaking won. 246 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: You were the last. I mean they obviously left the 247 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 1: the best for last in line, right, you get up 248 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: there and then you freaking win. That is how far 249 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 1: did your brother go when? 250 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 5: So he made it. He made it right before the 251 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 5: Simon and Paula and Randy and Carroll. 252 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 1: You audition, Yeah, yeah, So. 253 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 2: Did you have a car ride home where you made it? 254 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 2: And he didn't? We did, Yeah, it was his dream. 255 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 5: Well, he was bummed. And I would say that my 256 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 5: brother is a great he's an amazing singer, but he 257 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 5: wasn't like I was playing shows and like was writing 258 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 5: my own music and had just made a record that 259 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 5: sort of thing. That really wasn't what he was doing. 260 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 5: He just likes to sing and he likes and he's 261 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 5: actually he probably should have made it because he's great 262 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 5: for TV. But yeah, he's amazing for TV. He like 263 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 5: flipped in his audition. He's a gymnast and so he 264 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 5: did a flip. I don't know, it's crazy, but uh yeah, 265 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 5: So the drive was fine. The drive was fine. He 266 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 5: he has no hard feelings whatsoever. 267 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: Really did They're deep down they're suppressed. 268 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 4: One day maybe so okay, so you get the car 269 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:43,960 Speaker 4: right home, like you you make it to the next round. 270 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 4: When is it like the real when you're okay, now 271 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 4: I'm actually on the show and it's live every week. 272 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 4: You remember, like the process of riding home with your brother. 273 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 2: You make it? He doesn't. 274 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:56,839 Speaker 4: How long was it until it's like Showtime and actually 275 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:57,599 Speaker 4: on television. 276 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:02,319 Speaker 5: So the that was like late July or early August 277 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 5: of two thousand and eight. And then we did the 278 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 5: Hollywood auditions. I don't know if you guys remember that, 279 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:09,439 Speaker 5: but they would like stick us all in a theater 280 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 5: in Hollywood and we would do a week there. And 281 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 5: that was in November of two thousand and eight, and 282 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 5: I had just like signed back up for school. I 283 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 5: was like, I'm going to go back to school because 284 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:23,199 Speaker 5: I had just dropped out a little bit ago. It's like, well, 285 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 5: I probably need to get a degree. And then I 286 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 5: had to sign out. I had to like drop out 287 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 5: again because of the show. And yeah, that was like 288 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 5: the first time like this is this is a big deal. 289 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 5: There was a lot of people, a lot of like 290 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:44,080 Speaker 5: a lot of time in front of camera, which I 291 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 5: didn't really get in the auditions initially. So that was 292 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 5: that was interesting. It was something I was not ready 293 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 5: for or used to. 294 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 2: In what way were you not ready for that? 295 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,199 Speaker 5: I just had never done anything like that before where 296 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 5: like where I was on camera like ever, you know 297 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 5: what I mean. It was it was a long time ago, 298 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 5: like YouTube wasn't really a thing. Instagram people like even 299 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 5: my phone, like our phones didn't really do that, and 300 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:15,079 Speaker 5: so it was it was very new to me and 301 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 5: having to answer a bunch of questions about myself all 302 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 5: the time. 303 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 1: Could you imagine if there's Instagram back then? I think 304 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 1: that changes so much. 305 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 2: I do. 306 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 5: I think about it all the time because I have 307 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 5: friends that are heart that have been on the show since. 308 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 5: Like there's a guy that's opening for me right now 309 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 5: who's incredible names Walker, and he was on the show 310 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 5: and it was like I think it was like it 311 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 5: wasn't that long ago. Its like four or five years 312 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 5: ago and Instagram was around, and I can't I I 313 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 5: can't imagine. I literally cannot imagine. 314 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, what kind of hate do you get? 315 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 5: Like if you just put I do get some for sure. 316 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:56,680 Speaker 5: I mean there's a lot of So I went up 317 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 5: against Adam Lambert, who's incredible and we were friends on 318 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 5: the show, but people his fans are very mad that 319 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 5: I won. 320 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 1: And so so you were on the same season as 321 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: Adam Lambert. 322 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 5: Yea, and we were we were very different people and 323 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:16,319 Speaker 5: very different artists, but we really got along during the show. 324 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 5: But for some reason, our fans were doing this, you know, 325 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 5: quite a bit. They were button heads and they still do. 326 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 1: I guess, really, do you keep in touch with Adam? 327 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 5: I just texted him today. He hasn't texted me back yet, 328 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 5: but I do. I just texted him today. But I'm 329 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 5: sure you will. Yeah, yeah, hell my son. 330 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 1: Hi, he doesn't know who the hell I am. 331 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 3: You might he's actually a Brovo fan because he's on 332 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 3: Watch What Happens Live quite a bit. 333 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 1: So yeah. 334 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 2: So it's not so much anything you've done. 335 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 4: It's just like the fandoms that maybe like you know, 336 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 4: yours thinking they're happy you one and his are like 337 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 4: mad that he didn't win, like. 338 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 5: Something that that's the that's the main thing. It's just 339 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 5: people are are like, I mean, it's very simple, like 340 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 5: I can't believe you won, or you should not have won, 341 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 5: or you know, it's just it's fifteen years later and 342 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 5: people are still saying the same thing. It's insane to me. 343 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 3: First, real quick, is there a prize with American holes? 344 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 3: Do like a cash prize or is it contracts or 345 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 3: how does that work? 346 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 5: A lot of contracts, A lot of like a management 347 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 5: So we got a management contract and you also just 348 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 5: like sign a record deal when I was on the 349 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 5: show with one of the Sony parts. 350 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 2: Those deals, were they good deals? 351 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 5: Like in hindsight, I think in hindsight they were, Like 352 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 5: I don't know if they always are, but I feel 353 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 5: like what we got i've I mean, I'm sure there 354 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 5: are negative things about it. There probably is, but for 355 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 5: the most part, coming from like a very green artist 356 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 5: that had no I don't know, I felt like they 357 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 5: were really good and they were looking out for us. 358 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 5: Everybody wanted it, all of us to win, you know, 359 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 5: like I got signed, Adam got signed, and then the 360 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 5: fifth place, fourth place, a girl named Alison Irihida she 361 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 5: got signed as well. 362 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 1: Oh so you guys all like the top top four 363 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 1: or five people? 364 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 5: Yeah, it was three of the top four got signed 365 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 5: and they were they I mean, was it perfect? Absolutely not. 366 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 5: But I do think that they were looking out for us, 367 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 5: or I will say, I'll speak for myself that I 368 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 5: felt like they were looking out for me and trying 369 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 5: to do the best that they possibly could. 370 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, well they should. 371 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 4: You were before we talk about you winning, like when 372 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 4: you were on like Idle Hysteria was crazy. I mean, 373 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 4: how did you deal with that going from essentially anonymous 374 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 4: to you know, top five, top ten, and it's like 375 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 4: your life is completely different. 376 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 1: How did you manage the how did you deal with 377 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: that success? 378 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:05,959 Speaker 5: It took a long time to get used to. I 379 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 5: think I put on a smile in front of the 380 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:13,159 Speaker 5: cameras or you know. We moved to La right at 381 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:16,880 Speaker 5: that time, me and my wife, and it was there 382 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:19,959 Speaker 5: was like Papa Rozzi. There was always something to go to, 383 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 5: and that's just not like who I like in my soul. 384 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 5: AM is like trying to be seen all the time, 385 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:32,399 Speaker 5: and so it it. I was happy to do those 386 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 5: like smile and take the picture when it happened, But 387 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 5: I do think it was a lot for my brain too. 388 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 5: I just wasn't ready for it. I was in no way. 389 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 1: I loved that about you though. 390 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:45,479 Speaker 3: It's like you're not completely comfortable with doing that, but 391 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 3: you did it. And it's not like some people come 392 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:52,159 Speaker 3: out of certain situations or reality shows where they're just 393 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 3: really in for the fame. 394 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:59,119 Speaker 5: I was definitely not in it for the f I 395 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 5: just I think I saw it as an opportunity, you know, 396 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,920 Speaker 5: like I saw it as an opportunity to make this 397 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 5: a living, and like music has always been my passion 398 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:12,639 Speaker 5: since I was like an eighty bitty kid, and so 399 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:17,639 Speaker 5: I just I saw this as like I'm maybe somebody 400 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 5: will see I wasn't even trying to win, you know, 401 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 5: I was just trying to. 402 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 1: Like just having a good time. 403 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 3: Now, obviously the music is in your family because your 404 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:27,640 Speaker 3: brother sings as well. Is that something that comes from 405 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 3: your parents? 406 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:31,439 Speaker 5: Yeah, my dad's is a great singer, great guitar player. 407 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:37,159 Speaker 5: We grew up with him singing and watching him sing, 408 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:40,439 Speaker 5: and there was I remember like putting in VHS's of 409 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:45,199 Speaker 5: him playing shows in stoge rooms in high school. Like 410 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 5: he is. He's a great entertainer and just a yeah, phenomenal, 411 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 5: phenomenal guitar player and singer. 412 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:53,120 Speaker 1: Was your family there when you won? 413 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 5: They were that? They were Yeah, they would not have 414 00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:57,640 Speaker 5: missed it. 415 00:18:57,760 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 4: Can you try to describe to Tammer and I would 416 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:03,440 Speaker 4: It's like, so you have a performance, it's live, everything's 417 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:06,159 Speaker 4: on the line. What type of pressure is that like 418 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 4: for you in that those defining moments or was it 419 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 4: just easy for you? 420 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 5: I don't think it was easy. I won't say that 421 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:16,119 Speaker 5: it was easy. But you were only having to come 422 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 5: up with like a minute and a half of music 423 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 5: and you had to like condense a good song down 424 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:23,439 Speaker 5: into a minute and a half, which that was the 425 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 5: hardest part. But performing on stage was not hard like 426 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 5: it it. I mean, there was a lot of rehearsal 427 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 5: and there were people looking out for us as vocal 428 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 5: coaches and like these coaches that were like telling us 429 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 5: what to do as far as like where the camera's 430 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:46,399 Speaker 5: going to be went during your performance or help you know, 431 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:49,679 Speaker 5: Ricky Minor who was the band director, like kind of 432 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 5: talking with you about what you might want the band 433 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 5: to do. I don't think the performance part was the hardest. 434 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 5: It was all the other stuff. It was the like 435 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:01,879 Speaker 5: the interviews and we had to do a commercial every week, 436 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 5: We had to record a song every week. All the 437 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 5: other stuff was the hardest part. The performance stuff was fun, 438 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 5: Like there were people there, you could feel their energy. 439 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 5: It was really exciting. Like I love being on stage 440 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:17,159 Speaker 5: and performing for people, So that that was definitely not 441 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:17,920 Speaker 5: the hardest part. 442 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:21,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, did you let's say you didn't win American Idol, 443 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: do you think that you would be a singer today? 444 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 5: I think so, you think so? I do think so? 445 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:32,399 Speaker 5: I feel like, do I think that it would be 446 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:34,160 Speaker 5: like the way that I'm doing it now. I have 447 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 5: no idea, but I do feel like this is always 448 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:41,479 Speaker 5: what I'm supposed to, what I was always supposed to do, 449 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 5: and so I feel like in some form or fashion, 450 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:46,879 Speaker 5: I would have been making music. 451 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, I just want to ask this because I'm fascinated 452 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:52,679 Speaker 4: by So You're competing against all these people and on 453 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 4: TV it looks like kumbaya and everyone's like hugging each 454 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 4: other after performance. What kind of and this is the 455 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 4: part that I'm intrigued with. What kind of gamesmanship is 456 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 4: there behind the scenes. Is it like, well, so and 457 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:05,440 Speaker 4: so is doing this song and I know my song 458 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 4: has a different edge, or do some of the contestants 459 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 4: get into that. Did you get into that at all? 460 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:13,120 Speaker 4: Or can you talk about like the meta game if 461 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 4: there is one behind American Idol. 462 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:17,639 Speaker 5: I do think that there's In different seasons there have 463 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:21,399 Speaker 5: been more of that. But I do feel like for 464 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:24,440 Speaker 5: the most part, we all got along and I think 465 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 5: we all understood what it was like. This is this 466 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 5: is like a you could have the best performance of 467 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 5: the night and get sent home for some reason that 468 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 5: you're not in control of. And so I took it 469 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 5: as I'm gonna do. I'm gonna challenge myself do the 470 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:47,920 Speaker 5: best that I can do on my side. And then 471 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:51,360 Speaker 5: the only thing that I would say the gamesmanship part 472 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 5: of it was I was just trying not to be 473 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:56,920 Speaker 5: the last person, you know, like, don't be the don't 474 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 5: be the person that's the least of this week. And 475 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 5: then but even that is like, I don't It's not 476 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 5: like I was in control of like how I could 477 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:08,679 Speaker 5: do that. I was just trying to be honest and 478 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 5: true with myself and genuine and take songs make them 479 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 5: my own in whatever way that I could. Because I 480 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 5: knew that if I just got up there and sang 481 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,640 Speaker 5: a song, I wasn't going to be I probably would 482 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:25,159 Speaker 5: get sent home. So I had to like really like 483 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:30,160 Speaker 5: construct how I was going to make these songs my own. 484 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, when it comes to voting, now, is the voting 485 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:36,919 Speaker 3: real or do you think the producers pick who stays? 486 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 5: That's a great question that I don't know the answer to. 487 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 1: You know, you'd like to think it's real. 488 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 5: I do like to think it's real, and I do 489 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:49,480 Speaker 5: feel like I could be wrong about this, But if 490 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 5: the voting is not real, I don't well, I'll say this, 491 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 5: I don't feel like the producers were like, we're hoping 492 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:57,919 Speaker 5: that I would stay, so I would imagine that the 493 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,160 Speaker 5: voting is real. I'm not good story. I'm a I'm 494 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 5: an awful story that I'm just a dude, Like I'm 495 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,640 Speaker 5: the guy that that plays music and I love it. 496 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 5: And it's not like I had some crazy backstory. 497 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, some of them come in with like crazy backstories, 498 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,680 Speaker 3: y'or even really sad backstories. 499 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:23,719 Speaker 5: Super sad, we're sad, or like really or like Adam, 500 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,160 Speaker 5: you know, he's he's really exciting to watch, you know. 501 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 1: It is really exciting to watch now, you because you 502 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 1: came in and you weren't really looking for fame. 503 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 3: You're like, hey, I'm a guy that sings. You're like 504 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,360 Speaker 3: the perfect winner to me. Because there's people that want 505 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 3: it so bad that they get in their own way, 506 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:43,440 Speaker 3: and then there's people that I and this goes across 507 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 3: the board, even like with Housewives, where they want it 508 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,639 Speaker 3: so bad that they they ruin it for themselves and 509 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,439 Speaker 3: you're like, listen, you had a great mindset. I'm going in, 510 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 3: I'm gonna give it my all, I'm gonna have a 511 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:56,439 Speaker 3: good time and let's see where it goes. 512 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,199 Speaker 5: I do think that you're not wrong there, Tamra. I 513 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:02,399 Speaker 5: feel like I did. I had friends that were on 514 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 5: the show that we're thinking like, oh, I have to 515 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 5: do this, like I have to win, and it you 516 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,679 Speaker 5: could tell that it like you can almost see it 517 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 5: on them a little bit during their performances, and they 518 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 5: put so much pressure on them and you don't think 519 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,640 Speaker 5: that those things can be picked up by the audience. 520 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:25,239 Speaker 5: And maybe they they don't exactly know what it is 521 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 5: that they didn't like about the performance. But I do 522 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 5: think that some of that is like is visible, and. 523 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 3: So I guess and it shows, and it shows for 524 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,680 Speaker 3: a lot of people also want to ask you. It's 525 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:43,159 Speaker 3: kind of a deep question, but what the secret to 526 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,639 Speaker 3: success is within the American idol world. 527 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 5: I don't. For me, it was to be absolutely genuine 528 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,399 Speaker 5: and myself at all times. 529 00:24:57,720 --> 00:24:58,400 Speaker 1: Yeah. 530 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 5: I think people because the show is wanting the audience 531 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,159 Speaker 5: of the of that show, I think just wants to 532 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:06,160 Speaker 5: feel connected to you. 533 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure the show's a lot different like the 534 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 3: years after you were on it, Like with social media 535 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,360 Speaker 3: and everything, a lot of things changed for every industry. 536 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, I do think it's a lot different now. 537 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, So Chris, you won money, won a contract. You 538 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 4: know it was a great car too. 539 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 5: Well, I got to choose what it was. This shows 540 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,640 Speaker 5: you how boring I am. I got. I don't think 541 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,200 Speaker 5: I chose a Ford Fusion two thousand and nine, Ford 542 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:39,880 Speaker 5: Fusion Higher Practical. 543 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,440 Speaker 1: What was the other? Was there another choice. 544 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,360 Speaker 5: We could we could chose, We could have chose anything. 545 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 5: It's time. I don't think just to Ford, So I 546 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 5: could have got or something like that. 547 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 1: How were you How old were you when you went? 548 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 5: I was twenty three. 549 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 2: That's a very very smart choice. So you win a car, 550 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 2: you know what? 551 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 5: I still I still drive that car. 552 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 2: How many thousand miles are on it? 553 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 5: Not a lot? It's like one hundred and twenty five 554 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:08,239 Speaker 5: thousand miles on it? 555 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 1: Oh, not a lot at all. 556 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,639 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's you're my kind of person right there. My 557 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 4: goal is to get like my truck up to like 558 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,399 Speaker 4: two hundred three hundred thousand miles. But anyways, so you 559 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,359 Speaker 4: win a car, you win, you win an opportunity, you 560 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,680 Speaker 4: get a contract, you get money. On top of all that. 561 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:25,119 Speaker 4: Outside of all these things, what did you learn about 562 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:29,919 Speaker 4: yourself through this ruling? Like exposing process of going on 563 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:31,640 Speaker 4: American Idol and winning. 564 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 5: Ooh, what a great question. I feel like I learned that. 565 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 5: I learned that I wanted to do music for the 566 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 5: rest of my life. I know that that is like 567 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,159 Speaker 5: maybe maybe I knew that and then I felt like 568 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 5: I belonged and was good enough to do it. I 569 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 5: learned that about myself. I also learned that, well, I 570 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 5: think those are the I think those are the big 571 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:02,440 Speaker 5: things for sure. I needed to know that to keep going. 572 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,200 Speaker 4: I mean, when all of America, you know, dubs you 573 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 4: and you win this competition, what better way to say, Hey, 574 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,359 Speaker 4: this is what you're meant to do. So let me 575 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,359 Speaker 4: just so now that because you always see people going 576 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 4: to reality TV show win and then like some people 577 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,359 Speaker 4: make it and some people don't, you're clearly someone that 578 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,159 Speaker 4: has been able to, you know, have a full career 579 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,680 Speaker 4: from this. How post American Idol. What are some things 580 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 4: that you did to create a successful music career for you? 581 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 4: Because at some point, like there's hype and then at 582 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 4: some point like it's on you to carry it. 583 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, you have to carry it, man, So true you 584 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,439 Speaker 5: think like the hype is going to last or or whatever. 585 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 5: At least I don't know. I don't know if I 586 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:42,879 Speaker 5: thought the hype was going to last. But I just 587 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 5: thought all the things would last, whether it be like 588 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 5: the contracts or like I was always going to be 589 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,160 Speaker 5: with you know, a record label or something like that. 590 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 5: I do think that I I I just kept going. 591 00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 5: I just kept making music, like even when I wasn't 592 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 5: with a label after twenty twelve, and like the record 593 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,479 Speaker 5: label changed their president and all the people that I 594 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:12,359 Speaker 5: was working with, and I just I just kept going. 595 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 2: Like. 596 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,159 Speaker 5: I didn't see any other choice. I felt like I 597 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 5: still have so much more to say as an artist, 598 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 5: and I want to get better and I want to like, 599 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,159 Speaker 5: I just want to do this. I love it. I 600 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,479 Speaker 5: love being on stage. I think for me, it was 601 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:34,120 Speaker 5: just it. I just kept going and that for better 602 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 5: for worse maybe, but like I do think it's been 603 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 5: for better. And I've learned a lot throughout this process. 604 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 5: And it's a weird trajectory, you know. You go from 605 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 5: like my first tour ever, I was playing in Staple 606 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 5: Center and now I'm playing at Joe's Pub in New 607 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 5: York City, and I love it, like I never you. 608 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 1: Prefer smaller places to perform. 609 00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 5: I don't know if it matters, you know, to me. 610 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 5: I would play for one person, I would play for 611 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 5: fifteen thousand people. 612 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. You know, what's the most you've ever played? Oh, 613 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 1: you've done about fifteen I've done both. 614 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I would say the most. I played in 615 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 5: Golden Gate Park for a festival. I think there was 616 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 5: like thirty or forty thousand people there. It was wild. 617 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. 618 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 3: So after American Idol, you released Live Like We're Dying, 619 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 3: which was a huge hit. 620 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 1: What did you love most about that song? 621 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 5: You know, I didn't write that song. I did not 622 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 5: write that song. It's one of the very few that 623 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 5: I did not write on the first record. And I 624 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 5: was shown quite a few songs to because I think 625 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,960 Speaker 5: they wanted me to write and I wanted to write 626 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 5: the album and they but they also were like, hey, 627 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 5: we need something quick though, can we show you a 628 00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 5: bunch of songs? And it was I can honestly say 629 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 5: this now, fifteen years later, I feel like it's the 630 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 5: song off the first record that sounds the most like me, 631 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 5: which is crazy to say, Like, I didn't write it, 632 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 5: and the first time that I heard it, I had 633 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 5: no qualms about it. I was like, yeah, this is like, 634 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 5: this sounds like me. It feels like me. I liked 635 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 5: what it was saying. I liked the vibe of it. 636 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 5: I still love singing it today. It's weird. I should 637 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 5: not like to sing this song anymore. 638 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 4: I've saying, how many times do you think you performed it? 639 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 4: Like if you had to, like get us within a thousand, I. 640 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 5: Do think it's at least a thousand, But I would say, 641 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 5: like like two at least like two thousand if I'm 642 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 5: being like, okay, if I'm crunching numbers, right, like two 643 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 5: thousands of times something like that got it. 644 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 4: So you've so you've had this extended career, you know, 645 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 4: post American idol, you made, you made your own way 646 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 4: in music. Now like in the present day, after everything 647 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 4: you've been through, how do you define success for your 648 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 4: career and who you are as an individual? 649 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 5: Oh? Man, the playing the numbers game is one that 650 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 5: has always failed me. So I try not to look 651 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 5: at streams and charts and things like that because it's 652 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 5: it's not something that it's you can chase those things, 653 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 5: and we have and sometimes they've worked out, which is 654 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 5: really cool. But I would say, like when the thing 655 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 5: that makes me feel the best and the thing that 656 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 5: makes me feel like I'm most successful is whether I 657 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,719 Speaker 5: get to talk to a fan after a show and 658 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 5: they tell me like, hey, this song means a lot 659 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 5: to me, and they tell me the song, or like 660 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 5: a buddy of mine or a peer of mind, and 661 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 5: another musician will text me and be like, dude, that 662 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 5: new song you put out is amazing, And those are 663 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 5: the things that feel like success to me. 664 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 1: What advice would you have for aspiring musicians out there? 665 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 1: Go on American Idol. 666 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:16,960 Speaker 5: Don't know, don't know, I don't know, maybe talent maybe. 667 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 5: So I feel like American Idol, yeah, they I think 668 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 5: that there's a lot of people that are still doing 669 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 5: that that are really successful. But I would say, like, 670 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 5: I don't really know. I feel like everyone has their 671 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 5: own things that they that make them successful or or 672 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 5: that they need to hear. I think most of the time, 673 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 5: if you're good enough, the only thing that I would 674 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 5: tell people is that they are, and like, just keep 675 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 5: going with what you're doing and don't like it's a 676 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 5: lot of work. I do think that growing up, I 677 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 5: just jabbered to get to this answer, but I do 678 00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 5: think growing up, I thought, oh, this is going to 679 00:32:59,920 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 5: be a pretty easy job. You just go out you 680 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 5: write your songs and you play the shows and people 681 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 5: and everything will work out. It's a it is a 682 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 5: lot of work, and it's and if you're not working 683 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 5: at it all the time, whether it's like singing or 684 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 5: playing or writing recording, if you're not working at it, 685 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 5: you're not getting better. And if you're not getting better, 686 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 5: you're no one's gonna listen to your stuff. 687 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 2: What does that work look look like to you? 688 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 4: Because it's not like there's you know, you don't punch 689 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,479 Speaker 4: in at a cubicle, you have a family. I'm sure 690 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 4: there's a lot of distractions to what is doing the 691 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 4: work look like to you on a you know, daily 692 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 4: or weekly basis? Like what do you do to stay 693 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,240 Speaker 4: sharp and continue to get better outside of like going 694 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 4: and touring? 695 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 2: What you're going to talk about? 696 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:47,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, I do feel like like doing something daily, and 697 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,280 Speaker 5: I do a lot of like admin stuff from my 698 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 5: for my business. I guess as well, which that feels 699 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:57,160 Speaker 5: like the business part of it, creating emails and that 700 00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 5: sort of thing. But I would say that the the 701 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:04,520 Speaker 5: work is is sitting down and this is hard. It's 702 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 5: hard to like sit there with a blank page and 703 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,759 Speaker 5: go what do I want to say today, and what 704 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,400 Speaker 5: do I want to sing about? Like what is and 705 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:16,400 Speaker 5: then not getting frustrated with not coming up with a 706 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,759 Speaker 5: lyric and coming to the page the next day and 707 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 5: going like, well, that didn't work out, so let's do 708 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:26,360 Speaker 5: something else. That's a that is a really really really 709 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:34,200 Speaker 5: hard thing to do to have like tell yourself, Okay, this, 710 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:36,880 Speaker 5: I have to do this again today even though I 711 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,080 Speaker 5: didn't do a good job of it yesterday, and then 712 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 5: wait for the magic to happen. 713 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:44,799 Speaker 4: Is there a process or you're like, okay, from noon 714 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:46,719 Speaker 4: to two every day I'm doing this. Is there like 715 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 4: a technique or something you learn that Okay, no matter what, 716 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,000 Speaker 4: this is what I'm doing because I imagine as a 717 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 4: creative it's probably not the I mean, not easy to 718 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,960 Speaker 4: be disciplined if you don't have that juice at the time. 719 00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:03,720 Speaker 5: Yeah. I do feel like there are phases of different things. 720 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:08,799 Speaker 5: So writing comes in phases where I'm like writing every 721 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,239 Speaker 5: day and then I haven't written a song in a 722 00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 5: little bit, but I've been We're putting out a new 723 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:20,160 Speaker 5: album next month, so I'm doing a lot of things 724 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:24,799 Speaker 5: for that. We're having to get together with the people 725 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:26,680 Speaker 5: that are doing the artwork for the vinyls and make 726 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,240 Speaker 5: sure that it's all all together and do photo shoots 727 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:34,239 Speaker 5: and that sort of thing. But then, like we're talking 728 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,200 Speaker 5: about playing shows. I think you know, I told you 729 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:41,040 Speaker 5: we're breaking it up quite a bit. I think we 730 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:44,239 Speaker 5: did the second run. In our first show in Dallas, 731 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,520 Speaker 5: I didn't rehearse the songs, and they're my songs. I 732 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,480 Speaker 5: know the songs, but I didn't rehearse on my own 733 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,880 Speaker 5: before the shows, and I mess up way more than 734 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,920 Speaker 5: I wanted to, and so like it takes like I 735 00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 5: have to rehearse and I have to, like you know, 736 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:01,800 Speaker 5: I don't. I don't want to phone it in, and 737 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,720 Speaker 5: I feel like I feel like, uh, I feel like 738 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,560 Speaker 5: a jerk whenever I do phone it in because these 739 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,640 Speaker 5: people have paid money to come watch these shows. 740 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,879 Speaker 3: You know, speaking of shows, I was looking at you. 741 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,080 Speaker 3: You were going on tour. We talked about this earlier 742 00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:20,440 Speaker 3: and the month of August. You're August fifteen, sixteen seventeen, 743 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,640 Speaker 3: nineteen twenty. So is there a certain amount of days 744 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,200 Speaker 3: You're like, I with a family and kids, I only 745 00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,680 Speaker 3: want to go, like, you know, five different cities this month, 746 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,880 Speaker 3: or do you You're like, I'll go wherever they want me. 747 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:38,280 Speaker 5: The hope was to do like one long weekend a month, 748 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,399 Speaker 5: and then it kind of has turned into more of that. 749 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,080 Speaker 5: So like that little block that you just talked about, 750 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,240 Speaker 5: I think that's the longest one for us. 751 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,560 Speaker 3: Can you let people know where to go to get 752 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,760 Speaker 3: tickets and to look at your schedule? 753 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 1: I know, I think it might be on your instagram 754 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:53,040 Speaker 1: as well. 755 00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, my instagram has a link to shows my website 756 00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:00,680 Speaker 5: Chris halnofficial dot com. Like it's I think it's all 757 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:04,080 Speaker 5: the places, all the places that people usually look. 758 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:06,680 Speaker 2: Now, you said you're doing the tour a little bit different. 759 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:08,680 Speaker 4: It's supposed to being gone for weeks at a time 760 00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,520 Speaker 4: that you're saying you're doing long weekends and you said 761 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,440 Speaker 4: earlier said you know, we're seeing if this works, and 762 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,160 Speaker 4: you said you think it is. How do you define 763 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,640 Speaker 4: it working? Like, how do you know that this is 764 00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,400 Speaker 4: like going? Well, what are the metrics or is it 765 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,040 Speaker 4: a feel texted. 766 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:28,120 Speaker 3: Ticket sales or No, it's it's more of like it's 767 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:29,480 Speaker 3: more of how does it feel at home? 768 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:38,240 Speaker 5: And you're the great guy, They're very super like, well, 769 00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,080 Speaker 5: I've just done it, I've done where I've been gone. 770 00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:44,040 Speaker 5: I did this tour a little bit ago where I 771 00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:45,640 Speaker 5: was gone and I think for almost like two and 772 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:49,439 Speaker 5: a half months, and and my family would come out 773 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:53,920 Speaker 5: but it but being on the road is never the same, uh, 774 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:55,680 Speaker 5: And they wouldn't be out for very long. They'd be 775 00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:57,560 Speaker 5: out for like a couple of days or something like that. 776 00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,839 Speaker 5: And it happened like we play. We had one more 777 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:05,479 Speaker 5: week left in the tour, and my and my son, 778 00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,680 Speaker 5: my oldest son, we played in Nashville, and so that's 779 00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:10,800 Speaker 5: where we live. My oldest son came to the show 780 00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:12,799 Speaker 5: and I knew I was gonna have to leave that night, 781 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,000 Speaker 5: but I took him home and I put him in bed, 782 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,600 Speaker 5: and I was like, hey, buddy, I thanks for coming 783 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:22,000 Speaker 5: to the show. I'll see you in a week. And 784 00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:23,960 Speaker 5: he was like you're not and you're not, Like this 785 00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:27,080 Speaker 5: isn't you being home? Dad? And he lost it and 786 00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,640 Speaker 5: I lost it, and I was like, I think I 787 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:32,680 Speaker 5: tech or like I talked to my managers not too 788 00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:34,880 Speaker 5: long after, it was just like I can't do it 789 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,200 Speaker 5: like this anymore. So, honestly, it's been a long time 790 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:40,080 Speaker 5: since we've been on the road because I've been trying 791 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,399 Speaker 5: to figure out how to do it and make it right. 792 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,920 Speaker 5: Like I love being at home. I love like coaching 793 00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,239 Speaker 5: my daughter's basketball team, even though we're no good. 794 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,040 Speaker 1: We would have never known that if you didn't say that, 795 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,680 Speaker 1: I know too much. Dad's the same way. 796 00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:57,360 Speaker 3: You guys are a lot of like he coaches his 797 00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,520 Speaker 3: kids games and he's very. 798 00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,880 Speaker 4: Much well for you, Chris, I mean, it's it sounds 799 00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,320 Speaker 4: like I mean, it's tamory. It's not like a special 800 00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,440 Speaker 4: person to be like, Okay, hey, look you could let 801 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,880 Speaker 4: this sing rip and be on tour and be on 802 00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:11,799 Speaker 4: the road X amount of months at a time. But 803 00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:15,680 Speaker 4: you're making a decision that's. 804 00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:18,040 Speaker 1: Not that's a Garth Brooks move right there. 805 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, he stopped singing all together just to take care 806 00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:22,680 Speaker 3: of his kids. 807 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,120 Speaker 5: Yeah. And maybe it will like once my kids get 808 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,000 Speaker 5: a little bit older, it will become easier to be 809 00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,840 Speaker 5: gone for a longer periods of time. But I just 810 00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,160 Speaker 5: feel like right now with the phase of life that 811 00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,520 Speaker 5: we're in. And also my wife is like, she's not 812 00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,160 Speaker 5: a stay at home mom. She is a she is 813 00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,520 Speaker 5: a businesswoman and owns her own business and works hard, 814 00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:48,319 Speaker 5: and so it's it's not like it that also makes 815 00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,719 Speaker 5: it a little bit different too. So I carry a 816 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,520 Speaker 5: lot of the load when I'm when I'm at home, 817 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:54,799 Speaker 5: and I love it, I really do. I've always wanted 818 00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,239 Speaker 5: to be a dad, and so this is like it's 819 00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,359 Speaker 5: fun for me. And the music stuff is really fun too. 820 00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,160 Speaker 5: So it's just trying to like, it's trying to find 821 00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:05,600 Speaker 5: the balance of it all. 822 00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,479 Speaker 4: Chris, as we wrap things up here, when someone goes 823 00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,880 Speaker 4: to a Chris Allen show, whether it's coming to Michigan, 824 00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:13,759 Speaker 4: Mount Pleasant and Arbor or Lake Orient, this is in 825 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,960 Speaker 4: my backyard. What can they expect, what can they expect 826 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,000 Speaker 4: to feel, or what do you want them to walk 827 00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:22,440 Speaker 4: away with when they come to your show? 828 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:26,560 Speaker 5: I don't know. I feel like I love to feel 829 00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:30,200 Speaker 5: like I'm not up there for you to look at 830 00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:34,080 Speaker 5: and for you to like listen to solely like, Hey, 831 00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,799 Speaker 5: this is me up here. I want to show you 832 00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,520 Speaker 5: what I'm doing. I feel like the whole point of 833 00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:43,120 Speaker 5: people coming out is so that they can forget about 834 00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:47,719 Speaker 5: whatever life is, whether it's good, bad, whatever, and have 835 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,719 Speaker 5: a good time. And that means like I want people 836 00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,200 Speaker 5: to sing along, and whether you know the songs or not, 837 00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,319 Speaker 5: I will teach them to you. And so come come 838 00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,239 Speaker 5: to the shows. I'll teach you the songs. We will 839 00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:02,120 Speaker 5: all sing them together. So like I don't take any 840 00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:05,160 Speaker 5: of it too seriously. Like I love to joke around 841 00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:09,799 Speaker 5: during the shows. I'll have conversations with people from from 842 00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,160 Speaker 5: the stage. It's fun to me. There was a guy 843 00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,520 Speaker 5: the other night, his name, his name was Devin, and 844 00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,880 Speaker 5: he was uh. He was like telling me all his 845 00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,520 Speaker 5: favorite songs from the from the crowd and I was like, dude, 846 00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,239 Speaker 5: why don't you come up here and sing one of them? 847 00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:24,640 Speaker 5: And he did, and so we got to sing a 848 00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,319 Speaker 5: song together on the on stage. Like that's what I 849 00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,399 Speaker 5: love to do. It's like, it's just have a good time. 850 00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:35,360 Speaker 1: You are such a good guy. You are just such 851 00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,319 Speaker 1: a good guy. It's just I'm really, yes, you are. 852 00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,840 Speaker 1: I'll ask your wife, she'll tell me different. You're just 853 00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:42,799 Speaker 1: doing something. 854 00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,279 Speaker 3: You really truly love, and you just you really just 855 00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,759 Speaker 3: want to make people happy. And you know what, you 856 00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,560 Speaker 3: are the type of person that will always be successful 857 00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:52,200 Speaker 3: because you have that in your heart. 858 00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:54,719 Speaker 5: Thank you, Timber. That's very that's very sweet of you. 859 00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:57,680 Speaker 5: And I'm gonna now I'm gonna watch the OC. 860 00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:01,919 Speaker 4: A few good interview mate, Chris, thank you so much 861 00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,040 Speaker 4: for taking time out of your day, Yes, to be 862 00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:04,560 Speaker 4: with us. 863 00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:08,000 Speaker 3: Absolutely, we thank you so much. And guys, check out 864 00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:11,440 Speaker 3: his tour, his concert tour and buy those. 865 00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:17,040 Speaker 4: Tickets Texas, Massachusetts, New York, Pennsylvania, California, Florida. 866 00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:18,279 Speaker 2: I mean he's going somewhere near. 867 00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,319 Speaker 1: You're going everywhere. You're going to be my. 868 00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,799 Speaker 5: First housewife follow so better follow me. 869 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,000 Speaker 1: I'm going to follow follow you right now. 870 00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,520 Speaker 5: Thanks Chris, thank you guys so much, so much,