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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Stephen Ferdick.

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Speaker 2: I'm the pastor of Elevation Church and this is our podcast.

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Speaker 2: I wanted to thank you for joining us today. Hope

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Speaker 2: this inspires you. Hope it builds your faith. Hope it

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Speaker 2: gives your perspective to see God is moving in your life.

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Speaker 2: Enjoy the message.

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Speaker 1: Goodness, goodness, goodness. Thank y'all, Thank you so much. Please

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Speaker 1: sit down. I have a couple of confessions to make

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Speaker 1: before we dive into God's word. Ah love Elevation. I

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Speaker 1: love this house. I really really love Pastor Steven, Pastor Holly.

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Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, Holly, I had a message

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Speaker 1: that was rhymed and everything prepared, and then I've been

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Speaker 1: doing Holly is grateful for aid And the other day

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Speaker 1: I just got wrecked by thinking of what I'm grateful for,

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Speaker 1: and I realized one of my ates is grief. And

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Speaker 1: I thought, what a weird thing to be grateful for grief.

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Speaker 1: And I promise I have not been smoking anything medicinal.

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Speaker 1: I know that sounds so counterintuitive when we come from

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Speaker 1: this great time of worship to then just kind of

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Speaker 1: dive into grief. But I realized grief for me and

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Speaker 1: I'm in another season of grief. I lost somebody I

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Speaker 1: loved very much a month ago yesterday, and I'm just

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Speaker 1: in that place of I trust in God. And he answered,

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Speaker 1: but he took a wild answer. And ye know, sometimes

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Speaker 1: there's that gap between I trust in God and then

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Speaker 1: you're waiting on an answer, waiting on an answer, waiting

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Speaker 1: on answer. C. S. Lewis says, sometimes we don't get

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Speaker 1: the answer that we're so desperate for. We get more

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Speaker 1: of a no answer. He said, but it's not uncompassionates,

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Speaker 1: as if God is saying peace child. You don't understand

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Speaker 1: this because we see through the lens, you know, kind

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Speaker 1: of blurry, and so it's your fault. It's not going

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Speaker 1: to rhyme today because she wrecks me with just that

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Speaker 1: focused on everything that filters through the hands of God

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Speaker 1: is good. I love this house, deeply, deeply respect your leadership.

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Speaker 1: I'm at an age and stage of life where I

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Speaker 1: get discounts at fast food restaurants and I'm turning to

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Speaker 1: sixty one next month. So I've lived a whole lot

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Speaker 1: of life. So when I get to be around leaders

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Speaker 1: like Chunks and Colleen Tunis and people who've stayed the

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Speaker 1: course for a while I just so deeply respect that

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Speaker 1: kind of longevity. If you're one of those people who

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Speaker 1: gets bugged when people go on and on about how

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Speaker 1: much they love Elevation, you're going to have to get

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Speaker 1: over yourself this morning because I love the house. The

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Speaker 1: first time I got to come here, I really thought

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Speaker 1: they had messed up. I thought Chunks thought he was

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Speaker 1: texting Lisa Turkhurst, and I just wasn't going to tell

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Speaker 1: him any different. I was so excited about the fact

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Speaker 1: that I got to come and I still feel like that.

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Speaker 1: I kind of feel like the shy girl, you know,

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Speaker 1: with a you know, payless haircut, and I got invited

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Speaker 1: to prom by the football quarterback. I love getting to

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Speaker 1: come here. On the plane in Nashville, they delayed us,

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Speaker 1: and I was like, if they tell me they are

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Speaker 1: canceling in spite to Charlotte, I will get on my

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Speaker 1: bike and ride here, which would have been difficult because

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Speaker 1: it's a peloton, but still I would have attempted it.

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Speaker 1: I love, love, love this house, and a couple of

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Speaker 1: qualifications extra I'm a spitter, and y'all, I'm so sorry.

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Speaker 1: I get really excited when I'm talking about Jesus and

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Speaker 1: I spew, So y'all are kind of going to get

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Speaker 1: rebaptized if your presbyteria'll be cool, because it's a sprinkling.

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Speaker 1: If you need a full dunking, it's not going to

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Speaker 1: be that exciting. And then I might slightly wreck your

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Speaker 1: Independence Day week because I want to start with a

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Speaker 1: Fourth of July story, which is where I actually learned

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Speaker 1: to grieve in a way that led me towards Jesus

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Speaker 1: instead of into a place by myself. It's about fifteen

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Speaker 1: years ago. It was Fourth of July week, and I

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Speaker 1: was real excited. I love the Fourth of July. I

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Speaker 1: get all the blinkies and the Sparkleys and the red,

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Speaker 1: And I was also fired up because I was in

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Speaker 1: a very serious romantic relationship with a really, really handsome,

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Speaker 1: incredible man. And I guess enough time has passed that

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Speaker 1: I can share his name publicly now. His name is

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Speaker 1: Larry super fat liar pants and it was such a

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Speaker 1: big fat liar. But anyway, we dated seriously for about

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Speaker 1: excited because I was almost forty and to get married

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Speaker 1: at almost forty, I mean, spanks are going to be involved,

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Speaker 1: but anyway, he's married another girl but they divorced, so anyway,

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Speaker 1: that was hateful and not fruit of the spirit. But anyway,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to get to gratitude in just a second.

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Speaker 1: Do not is faster? Stephen watching this. Hopefully he's just

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Speaker 1: like being alone with the Lord and doesn't know what's

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Speaker 1: happening in his church this morning. We're going to get

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Speaker 1: to the Bible in just a second. But anyway, Larry

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Speaker 1: And I was like, well, I can't go with all

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Speaker 1: going to go to that party, why don't you come

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Speaker 1: over to my house because she was going through a

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Speaker 1: ever been without her kids. They were with their dad

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Speaker 1: for Fourth of July, and she said, I kind of

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Speaker 1: getting together for our own Fourth of July party, and

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Speaker 1: just going to own this. And so I go over

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Speaker 1: all kinds of power tools, and so I thought, I'll

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Speaker 1: And so I was trying to you know how you're

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Speaker 1: When I did, my leg hooked under the ladder and

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Speaker 1: running around. I promise this will get better. We're getting

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Speaker 1: to the Bible and hope, so stay with me. And

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Speaker 1: I was unconscious when she found me in a little

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Speaker 1: of gets me on her couch and she's like, what's

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Speaker 1: this has just been not at all the day I expected.

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Speaker 1: and she goes, Reeve's dead, and I was like, what

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Speaker 1: country songs. And she wrote a cut on Reba's record,

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Speaker 1: so named the dog Riba. There's the worst dog in

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Speaker 1: I just put RIBA's leash on the fence because I

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Speaker 1: was this horrible, horrible joke. I'm like, that's just awful,

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Speaker 1: Are you really tell him when my dog died? And

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Speaker 1: and she said, well it's hot, and I was afraid

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Speaker 1: she'd stink and I've never dealt with the dead dog before,

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Speaker 1: so yeah, she's in the freezer. And for a moment,

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Speaker 1: I thought, this isn't my life. Like I was supposed

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Speaker 1: to get married. I'd picked out the dress and as

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Speaker 1: now I've lost my man, I've lost my tooth, and

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Speaker 1: my dog is in the freezer, and I thought this

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Speaker 1: he answered moments this is I trust in God. And

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Speaker 1: I feel like it's gotten me to a really bad

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Speaker 1: place because now I can't even cuss because I trust

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Speaker 1: and like, oh, this is terrible. Maybe even go to Netflix.

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Speaker 1: I what happens when you trust in God? And you

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Speaker 1: don't get the answer you want right then. I used

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Speaker 1: used to say when I was grieving, when I lost

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Speaker 1: I grew up half Baptist, I'm baptocostel. We've got the

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Speaker 1: activity baby, and it rhymes. I mean, I've got an

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Speaker 1: across stick from my behavior orthopathy. Ooh ooh, hard for

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Speaker 1: me to be honest about where I am because I'm

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Speaker 1: afraid I'll be judged by other believers. And one scroll

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Speaker 1: through social media and you know we're gifted at that.

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Speaker 1: But then, more significantly, I wonder if God will be

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Speaker 1: disappointed in me, if he'll go geez, Louis Lise. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I sent my only begotten son. Wasn't that enough for you?

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Speaker 1: And so I just sometimes feel so guilty if I

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Speaker 1: don't go, no, it's a great day. He's a good

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Speaker 1: God all the time. All the time. When I'm gonna,

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Speaker 1: I'm not really being honest about it. All the time,

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Speaker 1: I just feel like I feel like there's something wildly

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Speaker 1: wrong with me. And then I go to this love

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Speaker 1: story and I'm so stinking grateful that these saints stumbled.

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Speaker 1: Wouldn't it bug you if they were all perfect and

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Speaker 1: like Keito worked for them and they never ever had

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Speaker 1: seasons where they said, I am stumbling today. They stumbled

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Speaker 1: all the time, y'all. And God didn't kick him to

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Speaker 1: the curb. He said, I'm actually going to give you

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Speaker 1: more responsibility, because as you begin to understand, self reliance

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Speaker 1: is not a spiritual gift. I can actually trust you

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Speaker 1: with more now that you become more dependent on me.

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Speaker 1: I'm not just your savior, I'm your sustainer. You need

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Speaker 1: me every single moment of every single day. Don't ever

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Speaker 1: cut the cord with Jesus. We need him to breathe,

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Speaker 1: to live, to get up every morning. We've got it

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Speaker 1: wrong in evangelical circles. We think atonement is just for salvation.

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Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no. Atonement's three hundred and sixty degrees.

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Speaker 1: It's every day today. He's making all things new. Open

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Speaker 1: your Bibles to First Kings. You know this story, so

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna synopsize it. You've got a really, really good guy.

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Speaker 1: He's a prophet. His name is Elijah, and they have

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Speaker 1: this basically a super bowl between the good guys and

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Speaker 1: the bad guys. There's a stinker of a king, and

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Speaker 1: this king kind of says, okay. This is in verse

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Speaker 1: seventeen a First Kings Chapter eighteen, when Ahab he's the

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Speaker 1: bad king. When Ahab saw Elijah, Ahab said to him,

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Speaker 1: is it you, you troubler of Israel? And he answered,

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Speaker 1: I have not troubled Israel, but you have, you stinker liar,

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Speaker 1: pens of a king and your father's house, because you

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Speaker 1: have abandon the commandments of the Lord and followed the bales. Now, therefore,

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Speaker 1: send and gather all Israel to be at Mount Carmel

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Speaker 1: and the four hundred and fifty prophets of Bail and

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Speaker 1: the four hundred prophets of Astra who eat at Jezebel's table.

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Speaker 1: So basically, they're going to have this huge showdown between

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Speaker 1: good and evil. And you've got eight hundred and fifty

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Speaker 1: bad guys and you've got one lone faithful guy, Elijah.

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Speaker 1: Most of y'all know this story, if you grew up

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Speaker 1: like me, you've seen at flannel Graft And they meet

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Speaker 1: on this pinnacle called Mount Carmel, and the bad guys

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Speaker 1: called down their gods, little g gods, not real gods,

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Speaker 1: Larry Liar pants gods. And they call them down and

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Speaker 1: they say, come down, show yourself and consume the sacrifices

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Speaker 1: these bulls we've prepared for you. And nothing happens, to

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Speaker 1: the point that Elijah says, maybe your God needed a

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Speaker 1: restroom break. It's a little more colorful than that in

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Speaker 1: the Hebrew and people say the Bible's boring. I'm like, no,

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Speaker 1: you're lazy. If you'd actually read the these stories, they're unstinkin' believable.

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Speaker 1: Yellowstone's got nothing on scripture and says, then Elijah says,

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Speaker 1: go get some water. They're in a drought. That in

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Speaker 1: itself is a miracle. And they're like, Okay, we don't

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Speaker 1: know where we're gonna get water. We'll go get water.

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Speaker 1: They go get water, They bring it. They douse all

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Speaker 1: the meat sacrifice, just to make the miracle kind of amplified.

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Speaker 1: And then he says that's not enough water. Go get

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Speaker 1: more water. They get more water. People are like, golly,

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Speaker 1: he really is getting theatrical here. He says, for a

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Speaker 1: third time in a drought, go get more water. They

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Speaker 1: soak the sacrifice, and then he calls on the name

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Speaker 1: of our God, the One True God, God, the Father God,

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Speaker 1: the Son God, the Holy Spirit, and he comes down

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Speaker 1: and he consumes not just the watery sacrifice, he consumes

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Speaker 1: the boulders that the bulls are on top of. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's this unstinkin believable bic miracle. I mean it would

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Speaker 1: have been all over ESPN, like every single day would

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Speaker 1: have been a real that never went away. It was epic.

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Speaker 1: Right after that unbelievable miracle where god Win. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I can't imagine how many worship songs that we would

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Speaker 1: have from that one moment in redemptive history. Right after that,

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Speaker 1: Elijah gets a text from this Houchi queen named Jezebel,

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Speaker 1: and it's in the Bible. I promise. Ahab told Jezebel

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Speaker 1: all that Elijah had done one kings nineteen verse one,

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Speaker 1: and how he had killed all the prophets with the sword.

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Speaker 1: Then Jesse sent a messenger to Elijah saying, so may

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Speaker 1: the gods do to me, and more also, if I

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Speaker 1: do not make your life as the life of one

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Speaker 1: of them by this time tomorrow, she's talking about the

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Speaker 1: bad guys that were killed. Then Elijah was afraid, and

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Speaker 1: he arose and ran for his life and came to

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Speaker 1: bear Sheeba, which belongs to Judah, and left his servant there,

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Speaker 1: not gonna camp out there. But y'all, Verse three is

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Speaker 1: so important. He goes with somebody in his sphere, and

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Speaker 1: then this is a massive mistake. He leaves him there

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Speaker 1: and goes alone. Don't ache alone. Isolation one of the biggest,

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Speaker 1: biggest lies of the enemy. If you are in grief,

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Speaker 1: if you're sad, if you're just wanted, if you're mad

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Speaker 1: right now, if you are secretly shaking your fist at God,

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Speaker 1: don't do that in isolation. Find someone to go. I'm mad,

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Speaker 1: I'm sad, I'm disappointed church it and doing it for

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Speaker 1: mean before I feel like my prayers are hitting the ceiling.

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Speaker 1: Find someone to go with you. Do not ache in isolation.

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Speaker 1: Huge mistake. Not that he grieves, not that he's scared.

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Speaker 1: The mistake is he does it alone. But he himself

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Speaker 1: went a day's journey into the wilderness and came and

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Speaker 1: sat down under a broom tree that's also called an

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Speaker 1: acacia tree, little bitty spindley tree, like a scrub oak,

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Speaker 1: and he asked that he might die. Y'all, this is

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Speaker 1: on the heels of this massive miracle. People had gotten

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Speaker 1: t shirts Elijah's epic. He's it, he was right, His

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Speaker 1: God is the one true God, massive revival. And on

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Speaker 1: the heels of that, he says, I don't even want

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Speaker 1: to live anymore. It is enough now, o Lord, take

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Speaker 1: away my life, for I'm no better than my father's.

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Speaker 1: And he lay down and slept under that scrawny tree

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Speaker 1: and behold, an angel touched him and said to him,

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Speaker 1: you are such a loser. We're chasing another prophet. No, no,

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Speaker 1: that's not what the Angel of the Lord did to

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Speaker 1: this great sad man. He said, God wants you to

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Speaker 1: take a nap, but he wants to make sure you

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Speaker 1: have snacks first. How amazing is a god who doesn't

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Speaker 1: forget snacks? Wow? Incredible is that he doesn't chastise Elijah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's no reprimand he recognizes that we're human and he

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Speaker 1: gives them rest, and he gives them sesstenance. What a

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Speaker 1: good God. Why is it we are so hesitant to

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Speaker 1: bring him our hurts when he envelops us and says,

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Speaker 1: I know we don't get chastised, we get compassion. He's

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Speaker 1: slow to anger, rich in compassion. Please don't be as

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Speaker 1: dumb as me. Please don't wait until you're middle age

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Speaker 1: to be honest with God. One of the reasons I

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Speaker 1: think the church has lost its efficacy is the watching

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Speaker 1: world sees us pretend and they think we're so sick

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Speaker 1: of pretending. I'm so over holding in my stomach and

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Speaker 1: using a filter, and y'all do it worse than we do.

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Speaker 1: So your God must judge you the way other people

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Speaker 1: judge me. No, he doesn't, No, he doesn't. He sees

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Speaker 1: us through the righteousness of He's holy. Please hear me.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's Santa Claus. He is absolutely holy, transcendent,

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Speaker 1: the only one who is perfectly transcendent. But he condescends

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Speaker 1: to be close to us. He condescends to say, I

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Speaker 1: want you to take a nap. Come to me, all

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Speaker 1: you who are weary and heavy laden, I'll give you rest.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't say, if you're weary and heavy laden, that

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Speaker 1: you have completely just ruined your testimony. He never won

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Speaker 1: times says that. So you see Elijah in First Kings,

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Speaker 1: and you see that to walk in divine power, which

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Speaker 1: is what happens after he has snacks and rest. To

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Speaker 1: walk and divine power presupposes a pit revival, pre supposes

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Speaker 1: a time when we get stripped of our self reliance.

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Speaker 1: Weakness presupposes strength, presupposes weakness. Why is it that we

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Speaker 1: always try to hide that. It's because we're trying to

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Speaker 1: be the hero. We aren't the hero, we aren't the answer,

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Speaker 1: we aren't the good news Jesus is we're conduits, y'all.

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Speaker 1: We are conduits, flip over a few pages to Psalm

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Speaker 1: twenty two. Oh I love Psalm twenty two. We crossed

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Speaker 1: itch Psalm twenty three, and we sing about Psalm twenty

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Speaker 1: three because that's happy clappy and it's super inspirational. But

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Speaker 1: Psalm twenty two the song. Remember all of the songs

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Speaker 1: were originally written as songs so O andngs, so it's

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Speaker 1: like God's Spotify list. And the song that precedes Psalm

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Speaker 1: twenty three, the green Pastures and the steer Still waters

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Speaker 1: and God is Our Shepherd. It's a blues tune. David

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Speaker 1: wrote both of these songs, and David began Psalm twenty

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Speaker 1: two right before Psalm twenty three. My God, My God,

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Speaker 1: why have you forsaken me? Why are you so far

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Speaker 1: from saving me from the words of my groaning? Oh

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Speaker 1: my God, I cry by day, but you do not answer,

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Speaker 1: and by night I find no rest. I am poured

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Speaker 1: out like water verse fourteen. And all my bones are

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Speaker 1: out of a joint. My heart is like wax and

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Speaker 1: has melted within my breast. My strength is dried up

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Speaker 1: like a potterd and my tongue sticks to my jaws.

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Speaker 1: You lay me in the dust of death for dogs

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Speaker 1: encompass me. At least they're not in the freezer. A

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Speaker 1: company of evildoers encircles me. They have pierced my hands

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Speaker 1: and feet. I can count all my bones. They stare

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Speaker 1: and gloat over me. They divide my garments among them.

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Speaker 1: For my clothing, they cast lots. Now, scholars will tell

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Speaker 1: you that Psalm twenty two it is christological and it's prophetic.

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Speaker 1: This is nine hundred years before the crucifixion of Jesus Christ,

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Speaker 1: and it's a play by play of the crucifixion. But

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Speaker 1: don't forget David is just like us. He's a divine

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Speaker 1: condu for God's word. But he's just a man, and

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Speaker 1: he's really really sad, and God says, bring it to me.

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Speaker 1: I love that more of the psalms are sad than perky. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we've got some amazing victory psalms in there. I love

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Speaker 1: some of the stuff that comes out of this house

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Speaker 1: that just makes me want to dance. I mean, rad

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Speaker 1: ole goodness, it's gracious. But I also love psalms of

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Speaker 1: lament because I go, that's what I'm feeling today, and

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Speaker 1: that's not incongruent with believing he is a Good God.

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Speaker 1: It's being human and recognizing I'm not Him, and today

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Speaker 1: I can't carry the weight of my own life. Today,

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Speaker 1: I need Jesus to carry me. Two other terms, formal

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Speaker 1: theology and functional theology. Is what we can put in

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Speaker 1: a church mission statement. It's what you can hang on

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Speaker 1: the wall if you go to a formal church. It's

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Speaker 1: what some of us have recited growing up. The Apostles

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Speaker 1: Creed and I see Creed. Formal theology it's what we

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Speaker 1: can state or write that we believe. It's awesome. I

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Speaker 1: love the Creeds. I think we've thrown the baby out

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Speaker 1: with the bathwater with some of the Creeds. I love

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Speaker 1: the Creeds. Functional theology is how we live, and there's

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Speaker 1: a gap between formal theology, between what we say we

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Speaker 1: believe and functional theology. Why y'all can talk back because

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Speaker 1: we're human. Because we're human. We're not glorified yet we're

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00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:51,399
Speaker 1: in the process of sanctification. So there are seasons when

632
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: we have a really hard time walking out what we

633
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: say we believe. In that gap between the two, it's

634
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 1: a hotbed for hypocrisy. That's why the world goes you're

635
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 1: all a bunch of deep fakers. Because you say you

636
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:10,240
Speaker 1: believe this, it's written on your web page. But actually

637
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 1: I work with this guy, I work with this woman,

638
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 1: and let me tell you what they're like. Monday through Friday.

639
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:19,879
Speaker 1: There's a gap, and there's a gap for all of us.

640
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,359
Speaker 1: And if you don't acknowledge the gap, if we don't

641
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: act like our friends in the UK and mind the gap,

642
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 1: then you too are Larry layer Pants. There is a

643
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 1: gap for all of us. You know what makes the

644
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: gap wider? Pretense? No, I'm fine, I'm fine. I've got

645
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 1: it all together. I've got that gap. Makes the gap

646
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: just gets bigger when we fake it, when we humbly go.

647
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: I can't do this by myself. I know the theology.

648
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: I went to school for theology. I can make the

649
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: theology rhyme. But today I feel like I am barely

650
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: hanging on. Today my heart is like wax. Gap gets mourning.

651
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: Heartbreak actually narrows. Honest heartbreak when we bring it to

652
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: the Lord actually nearros the gap between what we say

653
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 1: we believe and how we respond to the world around us. Yeah,

654
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,399
Speaker 1: we need more Christians who say, let me tell you

655
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: about the God who carried me when I couldn't carry

656
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 1: the weight of my own life. That's not being a

657
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:29,839
Speaker 1: Debbie Downer. That's telling the world around us that he

658
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: actually is who he says he is. If we act

659
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: like we can do it by ourselves, what are we

660
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: saying about Jesus. We're saying we don't need him. He

661
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,240
Speaker 1: is such a good guy. I've become grateful for grief.

662
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: I don't know any other setting I could say that.

663
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: In them with brothers and sisters. It's not the perky

664
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 1: seasons when I've stayed on Quito and I'm we're in

665
00:39:54,880 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 1: jeans of zippers. Those are not the seasons where I've

666
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: needed God the most. The seasons where I've needed God

667
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 1: the best have been the seasons where I can just

668
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 1: barely breathe without Jesus. Last week, I didn't want to

669
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 1: go to church. I sat in the parking lot and

670
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: I thought, I just don't want to go to church.

671
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,439
Speaker 1: I don't want to raise my hands. I don't want

672
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 1: somebody to say God's good all the time. I'm gonna

673
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 1: punch him in the throat. I mean, I do believe that.

674
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 1: I believe He's good all the time. It's just right

675
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 1: now my life feels anything but good and I am

676
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 1: flipping sad, and he is in heaven and he wouldn't

677
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: come back if he could, but I'm missing. What do

678
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: I do with that? I bring it to Jesus because

679
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 1: he's close to the broken hearted, and he's near to us,

680
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 1: when our lives are crushed near to us, not disappointed

681
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,439
Speaker 1: with us, near to us, near to us, near to us.

682
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 1: What grief have you been pretending like it doesn't hurt

683
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 1: because you don't want to disappoint your small group or

684
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: you don't think it's very singable. My parents divorced when

685
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 1: I was really little, and it was really ugly, very

686
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: acrimonious divorce with a lot of physical abuse, and so

687
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: when my dad left us, I just kind of made

688
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 1: a vow to my six year old self that I

689
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: would never cry in front of my mother. She's already

690
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: been through enough, so I just said that I was

691
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: always going to be positive. Didn't have theology to wrap

692
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: around it. Then I just had trauma. I will never

693
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: ever ever cry in front of my mom, much less

694
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 1: anybody else again. I'm just going to be positive. I'm

695
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:45,479
Speaker 1: just going to find the good, find the good, find

696
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 1: the good. And I was able to live that way

697
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 1: for I don't know. A year and a half and

698
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: then something happened. I don't remember somebody took my bike,

699
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: or another dog died. I don't remember what happened, but

700
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 1: there was a deep hurt when I was about eight

701
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 1: years old, and I didn't know where to go to cry,

702
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 1: and so the only place I could think of where

703
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 1: I could be alone and my mom wouldn't see me,

704
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 1: was under my bed. And we were really poor, and

705
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 1: we had those mattresses. Some of y'all don't even know

706
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:18,280
Speaker 1: a mattress used to come from a store, not from online.

707
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:22,399
Speaker 1: But they used to have springs, and we were so poor.

708
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 1: The springs hung down real low, and so I crawled

709
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,240
Speaker 1: under my bed. The springs were right in my face,

710
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 1: and I was just crying under my bed. I don't

711
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 1: know how long I was under there, five ten minutes,

712
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 1: and I hear my mom's voice and she had opened

713
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: the back door because she was calling me in for

714
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 1: dinner and I was usually outside playing. And I heard

715
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: her say, Lisa, it's time to come in for dinner.

716
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,280
Speaker 1: And I didn't answer because I thought if I answer,

717
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 1: she's going to know I'm under the bed. And then

718
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 1: I heard the back door close, and I heard my

719
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 1: mom walk toward where my room was. I don't know

720
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 1: how I heard that because we had avocado green shagcar,

721
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 1: but you know, you just sense your mom's getting closer.

722
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,359
Speaker 1: And she stopped in front of my door, and then

723
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 1: she said, Lisa, honey, are you under the bed. And

724
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: I didn't want to say yes because I thought, oh crud.

725
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 1: You know, she's going to see him under here crying

726
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 1: and it's going to compound her grief, and oh gosh,

727
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 1: what do I do? But she had really instilled honesty

728
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 1: in us, so when she asked it the second time,

729
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,439
Speaker 1: Lisa Hunting, are you under the bed? I said yes, ma'am.

730
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: And I expected to be chestised, or I expected to

731
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: really mess up her day. But the next thing that

732
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 1: happened is the dust ruffle lifted and there was my

733
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 1: mom's face. My mom was a Southern bell. My apple

734
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 1: fell pretty far from the tree. It was beautiful. You know,

735
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: her hair was always done, I always had makeups, wearing pearls.

736
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 1: And I saw her beautiful face and she realized what

737
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 1: was happening under the bed, and I will never forget

738
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 1: what my mom did next. She just stretched out her

739
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: adult body and she scooched until she was right next

740
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 1: to me under the bed. She didn't say a word,

741
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: She just got right under the springs, right next to me.

742
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 1: I could feel her all the way down my arm our.

743
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 1: Bodies were just side by side, and she just laid

744
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 1: under the bed with me. The presence of God doing

745
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 1: difficult seasons becomes not just a gift, becomes the cornerstone

746
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: of our faith because then when we sing I trust

747
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:05,720
Speaker 1: in God and He heard and He answered, it doesn't

748
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 1: matter if there's a gap in between, because even when

749
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: there's no words, we recognize presence. I want to ask

750
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 1: y'all to stand up. Pastor's going to come wrap up

751
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 1: this family meeting in a minute. And I know, y'all,

752
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 1: I know that as a very grateful guest, I have

753
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: not earned the right to be bossy. I have no

754
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 1: authority in this house except what is generously loaned to

755
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 1: me by Pastor Holly and Pastor Stephen. And so forgive

756
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 1: me if this comes across as bossy. I am older

757
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 1: than y'all, So I'll just be your auntie for a moment.

758
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:55,760
Speaker 1: If you are in a difficult season for whatever reason,

759
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 1: nobody needs to know. Let's the Holy Spirit prompt you

760
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 1: to share that part of your story. If you're in

761
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:08,919
Speaker 1: a difficult season, you're sad, you're in grief, you're mad,

762
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:16,919
Speaker 1: you're so stinking disappointed because you've done the right thing.

763
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: You've tithed, and you're leading an Etham group and you're

764
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 1: studying God's word, and right now your life has not

765
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 1: at all turned out the way you hoped or prayed for.

766
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: And because you're human, you're just stinking disappointed. You thought

767
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 1: I was so so grateful for the presence of God.

768
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:51,720
Speaker 1: You're in that miscarriage. Surely this pregnancy will come to fruition,

769
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 1: Surely there will be another baby, and instead you had

770
00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 1: an emotional miscarriage, and you think, I can't do it anymore.

771
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:07,879
Speaker 1: I know he's a good guy, but I just don't

772
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: know how to wait until he answers again. Will you

773
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 1: please sit down? If that's where you are today, just today,

774
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: that's where you are. You're in a hard place. You

775
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 1: feel like you're walking through wet and you're trying to

776
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 1: keep your head up and you're trying to keep the

777
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,320
Speaker 1: smile on. But if you were in a safe place,

778
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 1: you'd go I'm just tired and I don't know if

779
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: I can carry the weight of my own wife well anymore.

780
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: Will you just sit down? There's no shame in that. Actually,

781
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 1: the fail is going to get thinner for you today

782
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 1: if you honestly bring your heartbreak to the God who

783
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: loves us more than we can ask or imagine. Just

784
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: sit down. If you're in a hard place, there's some

785
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 1: people over here who like me, you've been raised thinking.

786
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 1: You can't let your guard down. If it's hard for

787
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 1: you to season, please sit down. This is a safe,

788
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 1: safe family to say I need somebody to pick up

789
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 1: a corner of my mind and carry me to the

790
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 1: roof and lower me to Jesus. If you have the

791
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 1: gift the privilege of standing by one of those saints

792
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 1: who's sitting down right now, let's actually do church. Let's

793
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:32,840
Speaker 1: not just talk about it. Let's be a community. I

794
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 1: had a woman recently say Lisa, I pray for you

795
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 1: every Tuesday at nine o'clock. And my first thought was, Man,

796
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 1: I'm so grateful somebody besides my mom prays for me

797
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 1: on a regular basis. You know what My second thought was,

798
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:54,879
Speaker 1: what if I'm struggling on Wednesday? Let's not just put

799
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,879
Speaker 1: each other in our prayer journals. Let's pray right now.

800
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,800
Speaker 1: So those of y'all who have the gift of standing

801
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 1: by one of these beautiful saints, one of these godly men,

802
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: one of these brothers or sisters, would you just lay

803
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 1: a hand on them. That's not a denominational thing, that's

804
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,879
Speaker 1: not an elevation tradition, that's a biblical thing. Just put

805
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 1: your hand on their shoulders so they can feel the

806
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 1: physical presence of somebody who loves Jesus, somebody who's not

807
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 1: judging them, somebody who's not going to rip them later

808
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:26,479
Speaker 1: on social media, but somebody who goes. I know I've

809
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:30,919
Speaker 1: been there. He carried me too. And would you pray

810
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 1: for each other? Those of you who are comfortable praying

811
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 1: out loud, please do so. You don't have to pray

812
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:39,320
Speaker 1: anything fancy. You can actually just reiterate God's promise in

813
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:42,320
Speaker 1: Psalm thirty four. I am close to the broken hearted.

814
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 1: I'm near to those whose lives feel crushed. This low

815
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:53,840
Speaker 1: point in your life, if you bring it to a

816
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 1: Lord will lead you to a place of intimacy, a

817
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:02,360
Speaker 1: place of personal revival you probably haven't had the faith

818
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 1: to carry quite yet. Lowering your pretense in the family

819
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:11,760
Speaker 1: of God. Yell, it makes for a safer family of God,

820
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 1: those of you who are grieving. If the Holy Spirit

821
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 1: confirms this, would you be audacious enough to even right

822
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 1: now say thank you God. I'm gonna choose to be

823
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 1: grateful for this grief. I can't see around the corner

824
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:40,720
Speaker 1: of my circumstances yet, but I really do believe you'll answer,

825
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:42,799
Speaker 1: and I really do believe you're enough, and I really

826
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:45,359
Speaker 1: do believe you're close to the broken hearted. So I'm

827
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: gonna choose right now to say I'm gonna say thank you.

828
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 1: I don't feel it yet, but I'm gonna say thank

829
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 1: you for this grief because somehow, some way, You're going

830
00:50:57,080 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 1: to use even this diad dog of a season to

831
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 1: make me more dependent on you, to make me lean

832
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 1: into my brothers and sisters more closely. You're going to

833
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: build in me a heart of flesh instead of allowing

834
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,760
Speaker 1: me to hide my heart of stone. Oh, King Jesus,

835
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 1: come and bring revival. King Jesus, come and bring me healing.

836
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:23,320
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you, Thank you God, that we can

837
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 1: trust in you. We can trust in you, and you

838
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 1: will answer. Help us in the no answer or Jesus,

839
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:33,799
Speaker 1: help us to keep our hands raised even when our

840
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 1: hearts are broken, and trust that your presence never leaves us,

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Speaker 1: even de're in the know. Answer kind of chapters. We

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Speaker 1: love you, we need you. We cannot make it by ourselves. Jesus,

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Speaker 1: you are a good God. You are a good God.

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Speaker 1: Thank you that you define yourself as a man of sorrows.

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Speaker 1: Thank you that you tell us you were prepared for

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Speaker 1: the cross through pain. Thank you that you are not

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Speaker 1: a stranger to hard seasons. Thank you that you are

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Speaker 1: an empathetic high priest who says, bring it all, bring

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Speaker 1: it all, bring it all to me. Don't just bring

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Speaker 1: me the happy clappy parts, bring everything. I want to

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Speaker 1: sit with you in every season, every moment of every season.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you, Thank you God for your closeness.

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Speaker 1: Thank you that your proximity has nothing to do with

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Speaker 1: our performance, certainly not our pretense. Teach us what it

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Speaker 1: is to be honest before you got and then honest

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Speaker 1: with the people you allow us to rupt shoulders with.

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Speaker 1: We love you, We love you, We love you, we

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Speaker 1: love you, We need you.

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Speaker 2: you that this ministry is possible. You can click the

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