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Speaker 1: We susul go watch out. That's my that's the Iron

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Speaker 1: Rapp Report podcast. Dog used to sit down. I'm in

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Speaker 1: here with my man, Matt. Is it McGrory or McGrory.

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Speaker 1: It's always a good way to start off and interview

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Speaker 1: somebody not knowing that, But it's because I spelled your

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Speaker 1: name when I first first met Matt mcgory. When we

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Speaker 1: work together on a show that I have coming out.

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Speaker 1: I only have one show. This motherfucker's on two shows.

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Speaker 1: But we we met on the show that I have

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Speaker 1: coming out in August called Public Morals. But Matt is

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Speaker 1: on two motherfucking hit show and a little bit like

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Speaker 1: to take a little piece of your pie on Public

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Speaker 1: Morals a little and then and then and then then

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Speaker 1: then you're not fucking swooping up what I'm doing over

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Speaker 1: there in Public Morals, right, But but you are. But

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Speaker 1: who knows, I mean, the the you might be the

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Speaker 1: if if Public Morals opens, big, fuck me and Ed Burns.

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Speaker 1: Fuck the fact that Spielberg produces him is Matt mcgore.

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Speaker 1: That's the fucking three for three. That's three for three.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's big. Yeah, I mean, that's like ready

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Speaker 1: for primetime ship. I was gonna say, I mean, I

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Speaker 1: don't know what batting averages are, because you know, I

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Speaker 1: good That's like a thousand, right, Okay, I didn't know

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Speaker 1: that you're batting a thousand because if you don't know,

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Speaker 1: because Public Morals is premiering August on T and T.

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Speaker 1: But if you don't know who Matt is, he's one

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Speaker 1: of the stars of two hit fucking shows. One is

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Speaker 1: a streaming show on Netflix, Orange Is the New Black,

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Speaker 1: or Orange Is the New motherfucking Black, That's what I

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Speaker 1: like to call it, or and on ABC How to

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Speaker 1: Get Away with Murder. I mean, you're doing two hit

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Speaker 1: gonna talk about, well, you're not the star of Oranges

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Speaker 1: So so let me I'm gonna just throw questions off,

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Speaker 1: all right. So your character on Oranges the New Black

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Speaker 1: I want to find out who the fund is your agent? Now?

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Speaker 1: your lawyer. I'll negotiate against you. I'll renegotiate your whole ship.

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Speaker 1: Because I know the fear of it, especially a young actor,

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Speaker 1: I was educated exactly. No, I went to Harvard, No,

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Speaker 1: I mean, what's the max you ever fucking did? Don't

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Speaker 1: don't don't be what's like, don't be humble? This is

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Speaker 1: so what the funk man? How do you do all that? That? Deadlifting?

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Speaker 1: I won't do it on the podcast, but you you're okay, okay, cool, okay, cool, okay, cool.

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Speaker 1: see I'm a really good shape still. Okay, No, I see,

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Speaker 1: you guys? Met? I Met? I think you and Nick

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Speaker 1: And I grew up in here. I went there. My

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Speaker 1: Have you auditioned for Law and Order? I have auditioned

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Speaker 1: Good Morning America. This isn't some fucking radio show. You're

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Speaker 1: me what else that insecure? You're but like masked with

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Speaker 1: piece of ship. I'm I'm a piece of ship, Like

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Speaker 1: And then this show comes out season two? Are these

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Speaker 1: of the chair, Matt, Like, do you know your fucking lines, Matt?

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Speaker 1: Did it change with these girls? Know? You know, it's

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Speaker 1: I know big Boo looks nuts Uzo's winning awards fucking

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Speaker 1: Tell me man, I think you know too. It's like

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Speaker 1: like you become a heightened version of the person you

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Speaker 1: bigger douche bag. If you're a nice person, it gives

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Speaker 1: out of the punch? It's me? You gonna lie out

423
00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:41,920
Speaker 1: of the guy? Okay, all right, let me just throw

424
00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,360
Speaker 1: let me make it more specific. Who are Here's here's

425
00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:47,719
Speaker 1: the question. You work most of the time with Dasha, right,

426
00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:50,440
Speaker 1: tell me out of all the people that you've worked

427
00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:52,480
Speaker 1: with since because there's a lot of guest stars on

428
00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:54,600
Speaker 1: Orange and Your Black, there's a lot of guests guest

429
00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:57,159
Speaker 1: stars on How to Get Away with Burder. You know,

430
00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:00,280
Speaker 1: there's who's been the actor that you've worked with where

431
00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:02,639
Speaker 1: you were most sort of like taken aback by their talent,

432
00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:04,560
Speaker 1: Like where you like, you know, like I've worked with

433
00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:08,160
Speaker 1: some actors where like in between action and cut, I'm like, whoa,

434
00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:11,680
Speaker 1: this motherfucker's really fucking good. It's happened a few times

435
00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:14,080
Speaker 1: where you're like, Wow, this is somebody who's really good.

436
00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:15,840
Speaker 1: So who has impressed you the most out of all

437
00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:17,800
Speaker 1: the actors you've gotten to work with on both shows

438
00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,720
Speaker 1: so far? Well, I mean, fucking Viola Davis is is

439
00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:22,960
Speaker 1: the ship, you know what I mean? And like she's

440
00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:27,280
Speaker 1: she's insanely good and like a fucking really good person.

441
00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:29,600
Speaker 1: I've gotta I've been like both shows actually have they

442
00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:31,520
Speaker 1: don't have like pieces of ship. And then which is

443
00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:36,320
Speaker 1: I can this name down? It's it's illegible, okay because

444
00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:37,520
Speaker 1: I broke my hand in a in a bar fight

445
00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:41,960
Speaker 1: last night, right, but no, it's you know, actually, I

446
00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:45,680
Speaker 1: think Pablo like my experience for the first time, you know,

447
00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,000
Speaker 1: Orange is like my first real show, and he had

448
00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:49,920
Speaker 1: like a certain you know, he's been working a long time.

449
00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:51,520
Speaker 1: He has a certain way of sort of I think,

450
00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:54,880
Speaker 1: commanding the space and the set and like it making

451
00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:57,239
Speaker 1: it clear that like he has fucking creative ideas, right

452
00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:59,280
Speaker 1: he'd liked to express and like I was just like

453
00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:01,280
Speaker 1: I'm happy to be They're trying not to get fired,

454
00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:03,320
Speaker 1: you know, trying not to like this is in the

455
00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:06,040
Speaker 1: first season. Yeah, so you're seeing something like a season

456
00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:09,040
Speaker 1: VET sort of. Oh, that's good. That Pablo Pablo Striver

457
00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:11,720
Speaker 1: and he's Liev Striver's brother, right. I didn't even know

458
00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:14,960
Speaker 1: the like, didn't even make the connection until like the

459
00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,520
Speaker 1: second season. I was like, Striver Striver, I didn't know that.

460
00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:20,960
Speaker 1: But he's fucking dope and they have total totally different styles,

461
00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:24,080
Speaker 1: totally different. He's on a new show, that brink HBO show.

462
00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:25,399
Speaker 1: I just want to the premier. This is we're not

463
00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,680
Speaker 1: fucking plugging other people. So I got enough show, You

464
00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:30,760
Speaker 1: got fucking I mean, he's got to fucking pay me

465
00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,960
Speaker 1: something for that. This is a worldwide phenomenon. Pablo Strivers

466
00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:35,960
Speaker 1: on the brink. That's great. Is there any fucking thing

467
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,359
Speaker 1: else you want to plug? Like? You don't? Don't you

468
00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:41,280
Speaker 1: can't sneak it in? No no, no, no, no no

469
00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,520
Speaker 1: no no no no no. Okay. So now you've been

470
00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,159
Speaker 1: to award shows, Well what award shows have you been to?

471
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,639
Speaker 1: You've been to the Emmy's, went to the Emmy's as

472
00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:52,840
Speaker 1: a nominee, you know, or the cast the show's a nominee.

473
00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:57,040
Speaker 1: I went to the SAG Awards. We won for Best Ensemble,

474
00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:58,720
Speaker 1: So I have one of those motherfucker's sitting in my house.

475
00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:00,720
Speaker 1: That's fucking dope. I was like, even if I fucking

476
00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:02,760
Speaker 1: quit acting now, even if I never get a job

477
00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:05,400
Speaker 1: again of my life, I'll have a SAG Awarding junk.

478
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:07,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's pretty fun. You know what I got looked,

479
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,000
Speaker 1: there's bug spray behind you. That's what I got on myself.

480
00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,080
Speaker 1: That's that's what you see. There's no fucking awards in here,

481
00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,680
Speaker 1: so go ahead. What other awards? And then I actually

482
00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:17,440
Speaker 1: I went to the Oscars. I was doing uh, I

483
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,360
Speaker 1: was doing some kind of behind the scenes stuff for them,

484
00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:22,919
Speaker 1: like in the because I was the social media ambassador

485
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:26,160
Speaker 1: for the SAG Awards. Okay, I'm I like to post

486
00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,960
Speaker 1: ship and act like social media, so they hired me

487
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:30,119
Speaker 1: to do that. And then I did this kind of

488
00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:31,920
Speaker 1: like I was interviewing people behind the scenes of the OSCAR.

489
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:33,119
Speaker 1: So I got to go to that too, which was

490
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:36,520
Speaker 1: pretty dope. Tell me the people, famous people that have

491
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,399
Speaker 1: recognized you where you were Like, I can't even believe this,

492
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,400
Speaker 1: right because I know that's happening. Yeah, Yeah, that's that's

493
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:44,680
Speaker 1: the funniest. I feel like it's it's it's funny to

494
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,080
Speaker 1: me because I've never met Jared Leto and I think

495
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:49,000
Speaker 1: like him and Dallas Buyer's couped. That's one of the

496
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:52,320
Speaker 1: sickest performances. I feel like I never scene and he

497
00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,480
Speaker 1: he I think he thinks we've met, so like he'll

498
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,640
Speaker 1: be like, he'll like nod, give me a what's up nod?

499
00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,280
Speaker 1: And then later So I tried to introduce us anybody,

500
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:01,840
Speaker 1: Yeah we've met. I want to be like, actually, we

501
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:03,639
Speaker 1: haven't met. You probably just saw me on Orange and

502
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,960
Speaker 1: but I don't want to be that asshole, right of course. Um,

503
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 1: but yeah, it happened with Kevin Bacon recently. It's just

504
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,440
Speaker 1: it's funny that show, especially Orange, like so many people

505
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:17,560
Speaker 1: in our business watching, you know, it's it's it's crazy,

506
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 1: how big of a phenomenon that is. It is so weird. Yeah,

507
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:21,440
Speaker 1: if you have you did you go to the White

508
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 1: House or anything like that? No, I didn't do the

509
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 1: Correspondence Center or now, but did people from your show

510
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 1: go to the White House? I can't remember if people

511
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,000
Speaker 1: from I can't Actually I'm not sure. I'm not sure

512
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 1: in America has met President Obama except for me. Like

513
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 1: everyone I know has been in the house that dudes

514
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,440
Speaker 1: to play ball, watching games with the barbecue, Like and

515
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:44,959
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm sure Matt oranges New Black as

516
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:46,879
Speaker 1: a breakthrough show man. Didn't go to that dinner, but

517
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 1: you know he's coming over focus so you so you

518
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 1: didn't go to this his house, but he's been not

519
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 1: of my house. See, everybody, Obama has to be the

520
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 1: coolest fucking president ever because like he has, Like listen,

521
00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 1: I know people that shouldn't know the president know the president.

522
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:02,200
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna name names, but there's people I know

523
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 1: that should just they have too many selfies with the president. Okay,

524
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 1: and I know them. I'm not naming any fucking names,

525
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:10,679
Speaker 1: but I I and then then just have one. They

526
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 1: have multiple selfies. Are they like posted or they kind

527
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 1: of like on the d they post the funking things.

528
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 1: They're like, you know you get the president. You know

529
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 1: they posted or he sends it to you because I

530
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 1: have another friend who's met it, but like you can't

531
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 1: take a picture, but he sends its. Some ship. The

532
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,919
Speaker 1: bottom lines, I haven't no, I haven't got an invite.

533
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:28,119
Speaker 1: I like to play ball. Nothing I'm let's see if

534
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:31,159
Speaker 1: there's an extra sheet open tonight poker and I'll let

535
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,359
Speaker 1: you know, try to hook me. You just remind me,

536
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:35,719
Speaker 1: all right? So more things about Orange is a new

537
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 1: black out of all the the the the ship that's

538
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 1: been talked about with with with girls and girls in

539
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:44,920
Speaker 1: show And like, when did you realize that this show

540
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 1: was like forget the success of it, I mean, like

541
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,200
Speaker 1: the the fact that it's a female driven show. It

542
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 1: takes place in a prison, it's probably the biggest cast

543
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 1: of all females ever, Like it's sort of taken on

544
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,480
Speaker 1: a life of its own as this like feminist show.

545
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 1: Is it called a feminist show? I mean a female

546
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 1: driven show, but I think inherently just because most shows

547
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 1: aren't like it automatically, is you know what I mean?

548
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 1: Like that's the like which I kind of didn't realize

549
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 1: because I hadn't been working long enough. Both shows them

550
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 1: in now are sort of very diverse cast for male

551
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 1: driven Uh you know. Shannon Rhimes is the executive producer

552
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 1: of How to Get with Murder. She's not the creator

553
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 1: of it. But like I kind of like I don't

554
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,440
Speaker 1: know in my mind, like why why shouldn't it be that,

555
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So it's like automatically you're

556
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,160
Speaker 1: you're just kind of like you're fucking in that world.

557
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 1: So so so just keep it fucking real, Matt. The

558
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 1: amount of chicks that recognize you, you you play a

559
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,920
Speaker 1: heart throb. You probably play the most redeeming character on

560
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 1: Orange Men and Women like as far as probably the

561
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 1: most same likable, non flawed character. Officer John Officer Bennett

562
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 1: Johnny as Dasha sometimes calls you. Right, she's called you John.

563
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,160
Speaker 1: She has referred to know. I think she did because

564
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 1: when things got a little bit more close between you guys,

565
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,400
Speaker 1: she said, like, you're like the like the heartthrob guy.

566
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 1: So listen, do women trip out when they see you? Yeah?

567
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 1: What what is? They're just like, oh, ship because like

568
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,360
Speaker 1: they have this thing like you're a heartthrob. Right, yeah, yeah,

569
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 1: I guess so I have a mixed like some at

570
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 1: least every day i'd say something be like, oh we've

571
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,880
Speaker 1: met before, you know, they don't know where they met

572
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: you sort of thing. Do you get that, by the way,

573
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 1: or you I mean, you know, usually if people see

574
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 1: me that either the number one fuck you scumbag, you cocksucker,

575
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 1: you you tried to you know, fucking you know, suck

576
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 1: my sister and sounds like that, or you know, Mike, rap,

577
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 1: what's up? Go fund yourself like that. It's like a

578
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 1: term of your dear, you know. Now. I mean I get,

579
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 1: I get everything in between, but I don't pay attention

580
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 1: to it because it's a lot of times like my

581
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,879
Speaker 1: my my kids, or my girlfriend or friends will you know,

582
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 1: they'll point things out that are happening around me, but

583
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:56,640
Speaker 1: I just try to keep my hand down. I haven't

584
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 1: gotten to that place yet where I'm able to tune

585
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:00,199
Speaker 1: it out. I think I've always been someone who been

586
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 1: always looking around me flattering too. And when you when

587
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 1: you first get it, it's it kind of you know,

588
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,120
Speaker 1: getting recognized and having people look at you and pointed

589
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 1: to And we're not complaining about it, but it's a

590
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 1: little bit unsettling, particularly in New York. Like you take

591
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 1: the train, so people and then they'll be like, yo,

592
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 1: you're that dude. What are you doing on the train?

593
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 1: Like and like, I don't know, trying to take take exactly,

594
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to get downtown. What's been the craziest

595
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: thing a woman has said to you when she saw you.

596
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,879
Speaker 1: So for me, one of the craziest experiences that highlighted

597
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 1: simply the difference in like relationship to people with fame

598
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 1: and stuff is this one girl at a bar was

599
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 1: like she's like, she's like, I feel like I've met

600
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 1: you before, and I was. Me and my buddy were

601
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 1: like talking to her, and we're like like, no, we're

602
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 1: kind of like playing around. We're like, no, I'm an actor.

603
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,399
Speaker 1: She's like where the from this and that? And then

604
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 1: eventually I told her after like ten minutes, and she

605
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 1: started crying after she had already met me for ten minutes.

606
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 1: Like that's the funny thing where it's like the context

607
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: of you yourself and enough trust me, I'm you were

608
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 1: borrier to But then when she found out they were,

609
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 1: they turned to tears of joy. Yeah, and that that

610
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 1: was bugged out. That's crazy well because that's like you're like, man,

611
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 1: I was a normal person to you minutes like literally

612
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 1: two seconds before I told you that, right, And and

613
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 1: that's the fun up thing too, is as nice as

614
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,360
Speaker 1: it is to get all that validation, like you don't

615
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 1: want to like rely on that ship, you know what

616
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 1: I mean, and like it's hard not to sometimes what

617
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 1: about your boys. They're like, yo, I don't give a

618
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,360
Speaker 1: funk what you're trying to not rely on. I'm trying

619
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,679
Speaker 1: to freak off. I'm trying to get his many numbers.

620
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get get it popping his Like are

621
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 1: you letting your your entourage so to speak? Are you

622
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: had your entourage live? Are you letting them do their thing?

623
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: I think that I didn't watch a lot of Entourage,

624
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 1: but minderstanding from the show, it doesn't work that way.

625
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 1: It's not like all these girls are coming and then

626
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: they're just hanging out around. It's like it depends. I

627
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 1: see that for Mark Wahlberg and Leonardo DiCaprio. When you're

628
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 1: like that on some that ship you're right, you're right,

629
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 1: which the show is sort of loosely based on both

630
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 1: of their their things. That's an other level of ship.

631
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: When Leonardo was leaving party with like sixty girls, like

632
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 1: he's not gonna have sex with all of them, No,

633
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 1: he doesn't need to. When you get to a point

634
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 1: when you're leaving a party with with sixty girls, you're

635
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 1: you're you're in a different place then. But that's that's

636
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: the place I I I me me personally, I wouldn't

637
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: make it make it down from that place, Okay I did,

638
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: you'd find me dead instinking at the top of that place.

639
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 1: All right. Now, you went to LaGuardia High School. I

640
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: don't know if we had this conversation. I went to

641
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 1: Martin Luther King High School. Now I went there eighty nine, Um,

642
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: which and in that year that I went to that school,

643
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 1: um is the year they started letting the LaGuardia kids

644
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 1: out Because Martin Luther King is a ship box high school.

645
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 1: They had everything, they had everything. And La Guardia is

646
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 1: a performing arts high school. Famous, it's the school that

647
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: was inspired the movie Fame. I mean, so many famous

648
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 1: people have come out of their NICKI Minaj, Adrian Brody,

649
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 1: the Waynes Brothers, who else, Adrian Grannie and my year

650
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 1: fucking al Pacino, Jennifer Anderson. They went to the old

651
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: performance Yeah, when you were before. I mean it's it's

652
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 1: like every like, not every but tons of actors. And

653
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 1: mcgory went there. Who Matt McGrory. Matt McGrory Grory, I

654
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 1: don't know, Okay, So when you went there, when you

655
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: went there were there are other other actors that have

656
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 1: popped since then. Um, you know Nicki Minas actually at

657
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: the same time I was, but I didn't know her.

658
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 1: I didn't know her at all. She's younger than you,

659
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 1: older and a little older. I think, Okay, we don't

660
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 1: want to blow her. I don't want to I don't

661
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 1: want to say old. I am okay, okay, But and

662
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 1: I don't know, not like there's been people who've been

663
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 1: working pretty steadily and stuff. But did you so you

664
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 1: obviously knew acting was of interest, because you have to say,

665
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 1: three of the people on on fucking Orange went to

666
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 1: LaGuardia different years in me three uh Selina's leva Um,

667
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 1: Jessica pi Mentel different years. Yeah, but all these fucking people, Oh,

668
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: Lorraine Toussant I think actually went there. Oh now, if

669
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 1: I'm remembering the originally Leguire, he was all the way downtown. Yeah,

670
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: it was. I don't even it wasn't called it was

671
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 1: called performing arts. That was like Irene Cara, you know,

672
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: fame you remember my name? No? That right? So when

673
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 1: you audition to get in that, did you audition to

674
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 1: go because there's acting, there's musicians, there's dance and what else? Uh?

675
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 1: Oh you said that already dance there's a tech major,

676
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: like like a theater tech, you know, like to be

677
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: behind the scenes. Now, all the different instruments. My nephew

678
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: actually got in. He's going. He got in for vocal

679
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: and for playing the cello. So you auditioned to get

680
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 1: in as an actor. This is a tough question, Matt,

681
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: and I know you're playing it close to the vest.

682
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: You're trapped on a desert island. Okay, it's just you,

683
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 1: tasty Piper Arren Manning who plays Tiffany. Natasha Leone plays

684
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: Nikki Uzo, Crazy Eyes Dasha Da Dashasha. Alright, capudos on

685
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: their Lauren is on there, Alex who's Laura Prepond, Big Boo,

686
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 1: Laverne h Aida, who's uh, who's uh what's her name? Um,

687
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 1: Elizabeth Rodriguez, Sorry Elizabeth person though you're saying an actor's name.

688
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know the Big Rodriguez. Because

689
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: all that. You've got a lot of plenty pretty chicks,

690
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: Flacca Jackie Cruise, who I would probably say she's probably

691
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 1: my favorite at all the ladies on the show. Um

692
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: and Maritza, Dianne Guerrero who I know. So all these

693
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: leaders and it's you. You're gonna spend the rest of

694
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: your life. You gotta pick one out of that. You

695
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: gotta pick one. You just gotta pick one. And it's

696
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 1: just it's just for peace, it's just forgetting little But

697
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 1: it's just you and one of these ladies from Orange

698
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: and New like here, pick two you can pick to her.

699
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 1: Let me think. So I gave you the list and

700
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 1: I left a few out, but I'm not gonna put

701
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: this in. And I'm not gonna put this in the

702
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: show because if you get the thing, what's the show?

703
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 1: His name? Genji? Don't hesitate when I asked you what

704
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: the shower? You said, GINGI. When I say, let me

705
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: give you that again, what's the shower in his name?

706
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: Get that right? She's born on what's your birthday? Okay?

707
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: When I say what's the shower his name? You better

708
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 1: know that. Okay. So I'm still trying to work out

709
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 1: this ship in my mind, and you have to answer

710
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 1: this question. I let you escape all the fucking hard

711
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 1: questions about all the ass that you had to have

712
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 1: getting I know, I could smell that you're a stickman.

713
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: I can feel that you're a stick man. I'd let

714
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 1: that go under the table. Now you just this is

715
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 1: to keep civilization alive and to do it in a

716
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: peaceful way. You get two women, two of these people.

717
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: Two of these people get to stay on pick it.

718
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 1: You gotta make a choice here. I'll say, well, Yile Stone,

719
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: who plays Lorna, she's she's one of my closest friends. Okay, okay,

720
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: that's fine. She's Australian, right, she's a good she's short. Yeah,

721
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: she's a motherfuck. That's a good fucking actress. That episode.

722
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 1: I was always kind of like, you know what you want,

723
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: I'm talking about right where she goes nuts? Where she

724
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: she I gotta say about that about that actress. I

725
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 1: was always kind of like, what is she doing? The accent?

726
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: I'm being honest to depositive, you know, like, and I

727
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 1: was like, what's her deal? And then my girls like

728
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: that girl is crazy, Like that's a crazy character. And

729
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 1: I was like, no, I don't like the accent. What

730
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 1: then is she doing? And then when she flips out

731
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 1: and you see her backstory, I was like that she

732
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 1: was on the phone. She was on the phone, right,

733
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 1: that's a fucking badass access and nemy bad meaning good,

734
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 1: she's fucking no joke. She's sick. So you could tell

735
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: her she gets a full like if I met her,

736
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,800
Speaker 1: I'd be like, she gets a soft ass fucking t

737
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: for sure. She's fucking no joke. That girl is fucking strong. Okay,

738
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 1: so you get her? She yeah? Yeah? How you saying?

739
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 1: Is she Jewish? Know what I mean? She's Australian, but like, yeah,

740
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 1: I don't know. What is that some kind of film

741
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 1: Middle Easter? No, no, deviit Middle Easter and her? Because

742
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: I could be honest, her character's name is what? Okay?

743
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 1: Because all the characters on there, I it's hard for

744
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: there's there's hard. It's hard to keep track of all

745
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 1: the names. Like I'll say, like the ball chick, the

746
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,959
Speaker 1: black ball chick, who's the fucking riot? What's her name? Yeah? Wait,

747
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 1: wait which black ball chick with the short hair? Not

748
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: the ball chick with the shortage's always who says she

749
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 1: wasn't on your list? No I listen. I couldn't. I

750
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: didn't want to, okay, Okay, So you might say you

751
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 1: might want Samia. Now I like her too, Now I didn't.

752
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 1: If you're listening to this, don't think it's at a disrespect.

753
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 1: I don't think it's at a disrespect that I didn't

754
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:29,839
Speaker 1: know your name. I funk with you hard. I funk

755
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,720
Speaker 1: with all the girls. I've done so many fucking characters.

756
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 1: It's hard to keep track of all the names. It's

757
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: not like a normal not a normal, a conventional show

758
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: where there's like six characters. Okay, So I'm saying that

759
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: like out of respect because so far I haven't bet

760
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 1: anybody's name. Yeah, I would say, I'm gonna I don't

761
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 1: even name right Nick, but I know he's a dope back,

762
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 1: and I like Schreiber's real name. I don't know his

763
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: his I know his name is Schreiber. What's his character's name,

764
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: porn Stash or Mendez, porn Stash or Mendez. Okay, so

765
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: you're gonna pick yall? You get two more? Two more?

766
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 1: No one more to pick? I mean I think I

767
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 1: have to go to two more too, So it's gonna

768
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: be three. I'm sorry, I'm this motherfucker's not playing around. Okay,

769
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 1: So it's three more. And if I didn't name them,

770
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: you could you could pick them, go ahead. It would probably,

771
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 1: I guess, would probably be Samira and Dasha. Samir and Dasha.

772
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:22,800
Speaker 1: Now do you think Samir Dasha Samira, Dasha and yall

773
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,320
Speaker 1: can coexist now because this is gonna be like the

774
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 1: family like they like you have to think about that.

775
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 1: They don't want you don't want chicks fucking on there,

776
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: like like the Housewives of Atlanta. You know, they're gonna

777
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 1: get along. And you know what we have like a

778
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:37,479
Speaker 1: nice like array of like diversity. We're gonna populate that island.

779
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: It's not gonna be a bunch of white motherfucker's running around.

780
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: It's gonna be like it's gonna be like populated. I mean,

781
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: motherfucker's smile. He's got a twink of like you're ready

782
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 1: to put it down. Look, if it's for the sake

783
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 1: of humanity, or at least humanity, you know what I mean,

784
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 1: that makes sacrifice fair enough, fair enough. I guess the

785
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 1: thing that I want to talk to you about is

786
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 1: because look, I'm a you know, you've you've been a

787
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 1: comedian to like you've been a stand up comedian like

788
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,879
Speaker 1: not very good. No, I don't believe that I wasn't great,

789
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 1: all right, but like there you know, and I'm you're

790
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 1: a funny guy the sketch comedy. I do you know

791
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 1: you connected from you breaking my ball, like, I don't

792
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:12,879
Speaker 1: remember what you said to me, but it was something

793
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: along the line. Um. Um, it was some some kind

794
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 1: of fucking joke he made in me, like, Mike rap,

795
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: I'm glad to be working with you, Like you want

796
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 1: a Watergraphe like, what the fun you? Why would I

797
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 1: want your order? You broke my balls? I was like,

798
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 1: because the scene we were doing a series and then

799
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 1: you broke my ball. And then I was like, this

800
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:32,839
Speaker 1: guy's funny. All right, Well, so you're a funny guy.

801
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 1: You ever really been funny? On Orange Is the New

802
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 1: Black and How to Get Away with Murder? These are dramas,

803
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: but I know you don't get to me. I get

804
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 1: to be the comedic asshole on Murder, which is awesome.

805
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,399
Speaker 1: Like that hit me improvised, still drum, it's still within

806
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 1: the framework up. Yeah, And look, I do sketch comedy,

807
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: but I've never I've never written comedy. You know, I

808
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: try to be I think I'm fucking funny on my Instagram. Um,

809
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 1: but I'll be the fucking judge, judge, what's going on?

810
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 1: Go ahead? Um? But you know I've been wondering a

811
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,879
Speaker 1: lot about like as i've I've become very recently last

812
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 1: couple months, like interested in feminism and which, by the way,

813
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,800
Speaker 1: means simply that you believe in equal rights for the genders.

814
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 1: Like you know what made you interested? Do you think that?

815
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 1: I have to believe and tell me if I'm wrong

816
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: that being a part of the Orange is New Black

817
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: and and the sort of social responsibility that that show

818
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 1: has taken on, that that has spawned it. I have

819
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 1: to it has to be and and and on how

820
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 1: to get away with murders? But the range and New

821
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 1: Black is a is a force in you know, the

822
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 1: new millennium's feminist movement to feminist look right, the face

823
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: of it's one of the faces of femininity in the

824
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 1: new millennium. Yeah, I can't believe I was able to

825
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:45,800
Speaker 1: articulate this is like some CNN she think feminism not feminine? Feminine? No,

826
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 1: I think that's a famous Italian chef. Right. No, no, no, no,

827
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: that guy, No, that was like that was a killer.

828
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 1: He was there was a godfather too, was al femininity?

829
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 1: Go ahead, but our mask you has been Being a

830
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 1: part to that show sort of pushed you to be

831
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 1: more conscious. I think it without me realizing, I think

832
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:09,320
Speaker 1: it has Like I've always believed in all that. You know,

833
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 1: my ex girlfriend when I told her, I was like,

834
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 1: she's big into feminism. She talked kind of talked about

835
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: to me when we were dating, but it never really

836
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 1: registered for me. Is something that I was like identified

837
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 1: with also partly because I just didn't understand. I think,

838
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 1: how fucking simple the definition of feminism is, you know, um.

839
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: And I think that when I eventually started telling her

840
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: about it, you know, because we're still like, she's one

841
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 1: of my best friends, she was like, I knew you

842
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 1: were a feminist from the day I met you. It

843
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: didn't it didn't matter whether or not you identified as one.

844
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 1: Like those principles I still had. But I think being

845
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,359
Speaker 1: on the show it definitely it like like I never

846
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 1: really knew a trans person until knowing Laverne Cox. Alright,

847
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 1: so talk about you know, being friends with her, working

848
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 1: with her, knowing her because one of the things that

849
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 1: that that I have a problem with with the politically

850
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 1: correct police, as I called them, And they're like, you

851
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 1: should be more accepting, you should be more understanding, and

852
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 1: and and this is so rare. This is not a

853
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 1: common thing. It's not like, oh, well, the Japanese have

854
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: moved into our neighborhood. Like it's not nineties, Like it's

855
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 1: it's like you don't come across transsexual people that often.

856
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: It's just the way it is. It's just because there's

857
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: not that many many transsexual people. So, having established a

858
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 1: working relationship and maybe a friendship with Laverne, talk to

859
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: me about that. I will. I'm so even like you know, moving,

860
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 1: I think in general, people need to distinguish people who

861
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 1: like get mad and like you know who you know,

862
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 1: the people who sent you to manifesto, Like you have

863
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 1: to be able to you know that. I'm referencing a

864
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 1: manifesto that I read on the podcast Manifesto, which, look,

865
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 1: there's so many fucking terms. There's a difference between not

866
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 1: knowing something, ak ignorance and bigotry. That's true, and that's

867
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 1: the difference. And I think the problem is and look, ultimately,

868
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:49,879
Speaker 1: I don't have a dog in the fight. I'm I'm

869
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 1: a sucking, straight white dude who comes from a middle

870
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 1: class family. Like so, I I understand I haven't been persecuted,

871
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 1: So I'm not going to respond and like lash out

872
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: when people like offend me. But like it's important that like,

873
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: like you're a fucking good dude, Like I know you're

874
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,240
Speaker 1: a good dude. And it's like there's a difference between

875
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: someone also who maybe like inadvertently offends someone and someone

876
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 1: who like doesn't give a fuck right and or who

877
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: doesn't like those people. And I feel like that's kind

878
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 1: of why I want to talk because even as a comedian,

879
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 1: it's like, look, you want to be able to fucking

880
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 1: bus balls. You want to be able to make people

881
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: to laugh and to make fun of everyone. But what

882
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,800
Speaker 1: is the at what point is there the fucking responsibility.

883
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: Hate is not. Hate is not like I always say

884
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 1: on the show here or whatever. In general, I'm like

885
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 1: preaching the fucking iro wrapple. But like you know, like

886
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: I'm not with the hate. I'm not with the violence.

887
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:39,720
Speaker 1: I'm not with the fucking hate crimes of blacks, Jews, homophobic,

888
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: I mean, homosexuals, any fucking body. Like the videotaping I've seen,

889
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: like videotapes of like people beating up trans sexual fucking disgusting.

890
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 1: I'm not with it for anybody. And but one of

891
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:53,919
Speaker 1: the things, in terms of trans sexuals or any any

892
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 1: we want to be treated just like you. Well, if

893
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:57,800
Speaker 1: you want to be treated, then you have to be

894
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 1: able to get your balls broken. There's so many humongously

895
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: famous gay comedians I've seen. If you very fucking funny,

896
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,799
Speaker 1: poke fun at themselves, poke funny. If you can't poke fund,

897
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 1: then you're not Then that isn't normal. And if you're saying, well,

898
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 1: we want you to be accepting, but we don't have

899
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: we're not gonna be able to like black people could

900
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 1: hear black jokes. Chris Rock can make black jokes. Old

901
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 1: that Chris Rock can make white jokes. But if you can't,

902
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 1: if you're gonna get if you're gonna get ostracized for

903
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 1: making transsexual jokes, then it's really you're not really being normal.

904
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Here's here's so here's the

905
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:32,800
Speaker 1: thing that I've been like wrapping my head around. It's like,

906
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:38,320
Speaker 1: I think people making people making jokes about about different groups,

907
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 1: when when the when the people in those groups know

908
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 1: that you come from like the reason why it's so okay?

909
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: You know, And I'm saying this, I'm not the fucking

910
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 1: you know, the moral police. But if you're a black

911
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 1: guy and you're making black jokes, it's okay because you

912
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 1: know what it's like to be black. You know what

913
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 1: it's like with all the fucking the bullshit you have

914
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,919
Speaker 1: to deal with. You know what that's like. If you're

915
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: a white dude that has a lot of black friends,

916
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 1: you probably get away with it too because they know

917
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: they don't know any black people, right, you don't know

918
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 1: any black people. Get that fucking confused all And if

919
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 1: you ever see me and you see me with a

920
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 1: black person, it's probably not real. I don't know any

921
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,280
Speaker 1: I rarely. I try to stay as far as honestly,

922
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: I try to stay as far as I wait as possible,

923
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,320
Speaker 1: but as far as knowing any personally, like not any Like,

924
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 1: I don't text anything, don't have my phone, you know,

925
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 1: would be the only one you would want to see it.

926
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,320
Speaker 1: But it's like a mix. Like people always associate me

927
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: with black people, and like you must know, I don't.

928
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 1: I've never fucking hung around, I've never slept nothing. So God, God,

929
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 1: that picture on your wall. I thought it was too

930
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,919
Speaker 1: Jimmy Carter's Jimmy Carter. That's not fucking there's no there's

931
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 1: no black people hanging on the wall. It's like sucking. Uh,

932
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: Sal's Pizzeri in here? He said, so Basically my thought

933
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 1: is like, look, if you if you understand the fucking experience,

934
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: then it's okay. Like I made a joke today, I

935
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 1: you know, I posted a thing on Instagram this this

936
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 1: uh this girl a friend of mine was we're going

937
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 1: to hang out and she was like, oh man, she

938
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: was like, you know, I've been bet and bet all day.

939
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 1: Lady problems and I said, I was like, oh that sucks.

940
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 1: You mean the wage gap, you know, And it's like

941
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 1: she knows that I care about that ship, So it's okay.

942
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 1: The tricky thing is like if you don't, if you like,

943
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 1: there's all the thing is. The trans community is some

944
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 1: of the most like ostracized people, like the race of

945
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: suicide are insane. You know, we don't come in contact

946
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 1: with a lot of these people generally speaking. And so

947
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,800
Speaker 1: the difficulty is like when what I think that the

948
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 1: common thing is, it often becomes about look and I've

949
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 1: you know this all all the ship is new for me.

950
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: I'm interested in this ship and I don't even know

951
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 1: all the terms you read off on this, you know

952
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,320
Speaker 1: what I mean in terms I read off that manifest

953
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: that the problem is when you when someone lashes out

954
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 1: at you for that and instead of even just being

955
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 1: like like me, I was like, hey, Mike, I was like,

956
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 1: I have some ideas about what you said. Can we

957
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 1: chat about it? Like when you lash out, Like I

958
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:48,839
Speaker 1: remember someone you know some Jezebel, which is a big

959
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 1: feminist side I just didn't interview with. And I called

960
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 1: that a piece that did before where I first declared

961
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 1: on social media like I'm a feminist and they were

962
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 1: like and I was like, the definition is cloudy to people,

963
00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 1: which and they're like, how is it cloudy? And they

964
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 1: filed it under dirt bag and I was like, when

965
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 1: you do that, you risk ostracizing someone who is potentially

966
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,359
Speaker 1: an ally and like, I want to understand this ship.

967
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: The thing I think with the trans community is they're

968
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 1: fucking suicide rates are so high, like like they're they

969
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: have like the hardest time I think of like anyone

970
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 1: getting fucking jobs, and it's hard because it ends up

971
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 1: all being a lot of it. I feel like, from

972
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 1: my understanding of it is about a look like, imagine

973
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 1: like how hard it is like to to find love

974
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: as a trans person. And then even if you found love,

975
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: can you imagine how much your fucking friends would break

976
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 1: your balls if you dated a trans person, Like, that's

977
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:36,399
Speaker 1: fucking hard. Absolutely, that's tricky. Absolutely, And so in my mind,

978
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 1: I'm kind of like it's it's it's tough territory because

979
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: it's they're so fucking ostracized, you know. That's why, Like

980
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 1: it's not like I've ever thought twice about breaking balls

981
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 1: of a transgender person. I know. That's like because like

982
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 1: you're know, you're trying not to. It's like I'm trying

983
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 1: not to break balls of the transgender community, and the

984
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 1: transgender community. You have to think that's money. That's fucking funny.

985
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,320
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's like I think it's it's just

986
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:06,800
Speaker 1: it's just ironic. And and now Caitlin Jenner is the

987
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,800
Speaker 1: face of transgender community and you're not one answers like

988
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: I wonder what the transgender community thinks of that, Like

989
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 1: the fact that Caitlyn Jenner is getting an award at

990
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: the SPS, that Muhammad Ali got, that Michael sam got

991
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:22,800
Speaker 1: the Arthur Ash Award for doing nothing having to do

992
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 1: with anything to do with sports. To me, he was

993
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: doing something. She was doing something that she wanted to

994
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 1: do for herself and monetizing it. So so there's it's

995
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 1: two parts. It's like she obviously Bruce Jenner, but when

996
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 1: before she was Caitlin was going through this thing, took

997
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 1: the step was like fuck it, I'm gonna do this yet.

998
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 1: That's cool. But if you had done it in Montana,

999
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 1: like he could have went away before and like you know,

1000
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: kind of stripped about, you could have never been on

1001
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:51,800
Speaker 1: the Kardashians. You could have went away done it and

1002
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 1: be like, oh ship come back contenders, Bruce Jenner, it

1003
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:55,879
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been this thing. But to have the whole

1004
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 1: world watching it and you know, having these terms and

1005
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 1: like it's the new normal and saying like, you know,

1006
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 1: the story was here the whole time. It's like, where

1007
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 1: was that what you wanted? You wanted to be the

1008
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 1: star of the Kardashians, because now you've made yourself like

1009
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 1: I would saying the other day, like Kim Kardashian, the Kardashians,

1010
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 1: they get chased by paparazzi. But what Caitlyn Jenner is

1011
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:16,879
Speaker 1: gonna deal with the rest of her life is gonna

1012
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:19,399
Speaker 1: it's gonna it's what the Kardashians go through is gonna

1013
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 1: look like kiddie play, Like you're never going to get

1014
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: a manicure, pedicure with the ladies without three hundred paparazzi people.

1015
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 1: You know, we're going to the hair Salondi. You're never

1016
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: gonna be able to experience what it's like to be

1017
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 1: a woman because you've brought so much attention to yourself.

1018
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 1: Now you're a fucking prisoner of it, right Yeah, And

1019
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 1: that's and that's where I'm like, that's not good for you,

1020
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 1: Caitlyn Jenner. And I don't think that. I think that

1021
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 1: that's just like, I don't know, there's something self serving

1022
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:48,479
Speaker 1: about it. There's something very Kardashian about it. And that's

1023
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 1: the thing that gets me going. And I think I

1024
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 1: think that like wanting to transition from what I can imagine,

1025
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 1: and I do believe that, you know, her intentions are

1026
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,839
Speaker 1: as pure as any person. I don't, so maybe maybe

1027
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 1: they weren't thrown out, you know, the fact of them.

1028
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 1: And that's what I was thinking that, Like, Bruce Jenner

1029
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 1: was very fucking famous, enormously famous, Like is this kind

1030
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 1: of like you know, like and I think sometimes like

1031
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 1: you know, like if you're an actor, you experienced fame

1032
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: and you have you have you have certain there's a

1033
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 1: certain sort of rush you can get from that, right,

1034
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: and if you keep it contained, you appreciate and you

1035
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 1: you keep it in perspective, it's good. You could like, oh, ship,

1036
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 1: I was able to get into that restaurant, Like if

1037
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 1: you're not a fucking dick and an asshole and take

1038
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 1: it too far. But like there's certain things, there's benefits

1039
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,439
Speaker 1: from fame, Like I was thinking, like, did you want

1040
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 1: that fame, Like did you want that rush of coming

1041
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 1: back with that decathlon medal in the seventies, Like I

1042
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, look, so so I think there's

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Speaker 1: two separate things. There's the thing of wanting a transition,

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00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 1: which I feel like, great, awesome, I completely support that.

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00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: And then there's look, I think she's a fucking great

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00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 1: businesswoman from everything I've heard, you know, Like I read

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00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:54,439
Speaker 1: an article, it was your magazine article. They were talking

1048
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 1: about the whole strategy of it, and partly look, in general,

1049
00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:59,800
Speaker 1: this is the whole strategy of what was Yeah, the

1050
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 1: the way the way that it was done was done

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00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: in a specific way capitalized. I mean, and that's the

1052
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 1: thing that gets me fucking nuts, and I get it.

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00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:10,839
Speaker 1: But also at the same time, it's like you're also

1054
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 1: getting by doing that, you're getting the maximum amount of exposure,

1055
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 1: you know, for something that like most people have no

1056
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 1: fucking idea about, you know what I mean. So like

1057
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that's necessarily the reason for it, but

1058
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 1: you're getting the maximount of exposure and all and and

1059
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 1: you know, which I think is a good thing. And

1060
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 1: you know the other stuff, it's like, you know, you're

1061
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: gonna you're gonna try to make a fucking buck from it,

1062
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 1: and you're gonna do this anyway probably, um, you know,

1063
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 1: And and I've had you know, I've seen I've been

1064
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 1: reading things, and there's some people that that like there's

1065
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:43,360
Speaker 1: a lot of inherent issues. And it's funny because as

1066
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 1: soon as you know, she transitioned, all of a sudden,

1067
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 1: she's now compared to other women. And like there's a

1068
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 1: lot of the crazy thing is there's a lot of

1069
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 1: trans people out there who don't have the money. You

1070
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 1: don't have the research to to to you know, to

1071
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 1: to do that to money. Yeah, and to go through

1072
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:03,760
Speaker 1: the surgery to get all the facial feminism feminisation surgery

1073
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 1: and the and the hormones. So it's like we also

1074
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,320
Speaker 1: have to remember that you know where's the money going? Like, like,

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00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 1: I haven't seen when you went for the trailer for

1076
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 1: the for the for the I Am Caitlin Special, the

1077
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 1: percent of the proceeds are going to the blah blah

1078
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 1: blah blah blah charity. I haven't seen the of the

1079
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 1: proceeds of Vanity Fair going to the blah blah blah charity,

1080
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:23,800
Speaker 1: whatever the funk that charity might be. Where is that?

1081
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 1: You know? It's like, how much money do you motherfucking

1082
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 1: people need for doing nothing? All right? That's it. This

1083
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 1: is the Iron rap Or Podcast. I'm in here with

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00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 1: my man Matt mcgory. Let me there's one thing I

1085
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 1: forgot to ask you jail, jail culture, jail mail because

1086
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 1: you play in a correction corrections officer on the show

1087
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:48,360
Speaker 1: Oranges New Black? What has been your Have you visited jails?

1088
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 1: Have you gotten jail mail? Does the jail puppets the

1089
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 1: jail population exposed to Oranges and the New Black? And

1090
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 1: what has that been like? And since your corrections officer,

1091
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 1: I need your your opinion on these two escaped murderers upstate.

1092
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 1: You know I didn't I didn't know. I didn't. I

1093
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 1: didn't hear about this year, I have to scape murderers.

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00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 1: They didn't just get out of jail. They didn't just

1095
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 1: break out of jail. They had like fucking chainsaws and

1096
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 1: and buzz saws, and they had like somebody was sneaking stuff.

1097
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:18,280
Speaker 1: And you know about this, you play a crooked correctional

1098
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 1: officer with a bum fucking I'm not I'm just saying,

1099
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 1: I'm just saying you have insight to this. So some

1100
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:28,840
Speaker 1: some they're saying it was a female corrections officer brought

1101
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 1: um um like some ship in like like a saws

1102
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:35,359
Speaker 1: and like real equipment to bust through pipes. And they're saying,

1103
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 1: this is not bullshit. You're gonna be like, now you're

1104
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 1: sucking because if you don't know the story so well,

1105
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:41,399
Speaker 1: they're saying that one of these guys, and they're both

1106
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 1: convicted murders, is apparently well endowed and that his his his,

1107
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 1: and he's a real coxman similar to you at wait

1108
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:53,800
Speaker 1: a fucking minute, wait a fucking minute, similar to you

1109
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 1: on Oranges and New Black and and apparently one of

1110
00:51:56,680 --> 00:52:00,840
Speaker 1: these murderers, you're saying he was like with the corrections officers.

1111
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 1: That's what they're saying. They haven't pieced it together yet.

1112
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 1: But these two fucking guys are running. I mean, they're

1113
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 1: dangerous people, right, Okay, so obviously I can't ask for

1114
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:09,839
Speaker 1: any insight that I don't know what rock you've been

1115
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 1: living underneath, Matt. But but as far as jail and

1116
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 1: and doing a show that's you know, about jail and

1117
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 1: celebrates jail and shows the good, the bad, and the

1118
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 1: ugly and sort of the humor up jail, do you

1119
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 1: have any contact from from like the prison population. You

1120
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 1: don't get a lot of you know, I don't get

1121
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 1: a lot of contact. I taught going into it when

1122
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 1: my friends dad's was a psychologist for like male corrections officers,

1123
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 1: and there's look, there's something inherently the reason why you

1124
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 1: know it it technically is not it's not consensual like

1125
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 1: what happens between me and Die on the show. Like

1126
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 1: it's it's almost like the same as like when you're

1127
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 1: on the when you're on a show with all women

1128
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 1: like and your there's couple dudes, you get a lot

1129
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 1: of attention, Like the power dynamic is very different, you know,

1130
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 1: and I think women in prison also you're not like

1131
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 1: getting laid on the rag, you know, And it's like

1132
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 1: it changes, it changes the whole power dynamic, you know,

1133
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 1: and it's like, I don't remember the question. The question

1134
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:03,240
Speaker 1: was like, do you know if if if the prison community,

1135
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 1: the female prison know about the show, like the watch,

1136
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 1: I've heard that other other women on the show, I

1137
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 1: think have gotten you have heard about it and everything,

1138
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 1: and we've done we do work actually with the uh

1139
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 1: the Women's Prison Association. Have you went into the have

1140
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:18,280
Speaker 1: you went into anything. I haven't been into the prisons.

1141
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 1: That would probably be interesting. I mean, I wonder you

1142
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 1: don't see why you wouldn't be allowed to go in

1143
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 1: there and talk to them. If you could go in there,

1144
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 1: I'm sure it would be filled with a lot of

1145
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 1: different things because you'd meet, you know, people that you

1146
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 1: felt bad for, murderers, everything in between. But women, it

1147
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:34,320
Speaker 1: would be even more more of a trip. This the

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