1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called 6 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 1: me Ben. We are joined as always with our super 7 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: producer Paul Mission controlled decond Most importantly, you are you. 8 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:38,160 Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this the stuff they 9 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 1: don't want you to know. Guys, I think this is 10 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 1: the most casual I've ever dressed on on the show. Um, 11 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: I'm gonna rationalize it by saying, I want to really 12 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: feel like the common person when we talk about today's subject. 13 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: But honestly, it's just because I don't you're talking about 14 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: that button up shirt you're wearing or yeah, you're it's 15 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 1: a mixed bag. You gott go on. You got a 16 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:04,399 Speaker 1: button up underneath what appears to be a hoodie and 17 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: then with a Singha beer ball cap on which I love. 18 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: Oh thanks man. Yeah, I look like I was thinking 19 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 1: about this because I went to the store earlier, and 20 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,040 Speaker 1: you know, and I haven't gotten out much unless I'm 21 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: traveling somewhere off the books. But I I saw myself 22 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 1: in a mirror, and I said, you know what, I 23 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 1: look like those characters at the very beginning of a 24 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 1: video game where you just have to collect whatever armor 25 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 1: you can find. You know, you you also look like 26 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: the suspicious dude going to the drop point, you know, 27 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: like in the movie he's trying to look inconspicuous. No 28 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: one will tell I've got a hoodie and a ball cap, 29 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 1: which is the Marvel Universe perfect disguise, right. Uh we are. 30 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: We're talking about uncommon people today though. Uh. Fellow conspiracy 31 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: realist Matt and Nolan I have been thinking about this 32 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: idea for a while and we're surprised that it doesn't 33 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: get a little bit more examination. You'll see why in 34 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 1: a second. But let's kick it off this way. Imagine 35 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 1: being president. What can you say about presidents in the 36 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: US and elsewhere that has not already been said. I mean, 37 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:15,639 Speaker 1: it's a tough gig. It's one of the few jobs 38 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: in the world that only one person can have at 39 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 1: a time, right, And people spend their entire professional lives 40 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: slaving away, sometimes doing pretty horrific things, with the goal 41 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: of one day being president of the United States, not 42 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:34,640 Speaker 1: many people make it less than fifty at the time 43 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 1: of this recording. And once you get that job, I'll 44 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 1: be honest, it sounds like a job that sucks. You know, 45 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 1: it's all about the residuals. Man. They're in it for 46 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: the long game, for the book deal. You know, talk 47 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 1: the library at the library. You do get a library, 48 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 1: whether or not you survive your term. Uh. There's also, 49 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: you know, something to be said about patriotism. People are 50 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:00,919 Speaker 1: in it, sure for power. The job kind of requires 51 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 1: a power seeking personality, but they're also you know, I 52 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: would say it's fair that a lot of presidents, hopefully 53 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:14,239 Speaker 1: the majority, are ideological. They want to make the country 54 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: a better place, leave it better than they found it. 55 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: But it's tough to know people's genuine inner motivations. All 56 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 1: we can tell you is that when you when you 57 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: become president, it stinks. You know, no matter what you do, 58 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 1: a certain percentage of the population is virtually guaranteed to 59 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: hate you. And the stress being involved with the role 60 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 1: of America's top dog is so insane that people have 61 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: conducted studies trying to figure out whether it biologically ages 62 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 1: you at a faster rate. Right, So it certainly appears 63 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 1: to ye. Before and aftershots are pretty telling. Yeah, it 64 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: looks like somebody just got out of grad school when 65 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: they go in, and then it looks like they were 66 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: the single pair are into fifteen kids for thirty years 67 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: after they get out in four years. It is a 68 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: little weird though, because it is almost like you're courting 69 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 1: the entire country when you're you know, running your campaign 70 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 1: to become president, and then you become president and then 71 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:18,600 Speaker 1: you leave. It's like you've you're right, so like you've 72 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 1: been in a marriage for years. You're hitting on three 73 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: hung American people. Yeah, you're you're hitting on three hundred 74 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:28,720 Speaker 1: and thirty millions something people at once. And you know 75 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 1: going into it that this group date is not going 76 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 1: to go perfectly. Uh, it's it's it's tough, right, and 77 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: you know, there's also an argument that has some validity 78 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,599 Speaker 1: to it, the the old adage that no one who 79 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 1: wants to be president should be president because of all 80 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:50,159 Speaker 1: the all the difficulty, all the difficulties involved. It's a 81 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:55,599 Speaker 1: what's the word from Star Trek, the unwinnable scenario Kobyashi Maru. 82 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: That's the one is that it Yeah, you're in one 83 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: of those situations. Uh, it's a gore be not and 84 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 1: unorthodox solutions are often the only thing you can do 85 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: to get new results and break the wheel. But a 86 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: while back, we started asking ourselves, just off air, just 87 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 1: hanging out, about the rumors you hear about presidents. You know, 88 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 1: you'll hear tales, especially in early America, of drunken carousing 89 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 1: in the halls of power, secret meth habits, drugs. This 90 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:29,719 Speaker 1: is a drug episode. It's really quickly bad. What is 91 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:35,160 Speaker 1: carousing is like gallivanting, that is one carouse. Carousing has 92 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: uh specifically the idea. It specifically refers to social boozing times. 93 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:46,159 Speaker 1: So like if you're at a happy hour with your 94 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:50,599 Speaker 1: friends after work, then you're carousing. You're not necessarily dead drunk. 95 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 1: It's just like happy hour, have a beer or two, 96 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: and then people are making jokes like, um, I don't know. 97 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: All of our inside jokes are so weirdly inside ill revel. 98 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 1: It's like a low key revel, you know, it's not 99 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:10,720 Speaker 1: quite as quite as awesome or epic as rebel. And 100 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 1: it is specifically tied to booze, whereas I think you 101 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:18,160 Speaker 1: can revel without booze. Yeah, I often revel in my 102 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:23,719 Speaker 1: terrible mistakes, you know what I mean. So so yours 103 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: our our own. Yes, well, thank you for that. So 104 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: this is a drug episode, and it's one that is 105 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 1: inherently conspiratorial because we're talking about people who definitely have secrets, 106 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 1: people who have many more secrets than the average person, 107 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 1: and they live in a world of secrecy, and they 108 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:47,720 Speaker 1: are also highly protected the media and the conversations that 109 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 1: are allowed to be conducted about them are more tightly 110 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 1: controlled than you might believe. So, going into this, knowing 111 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 1: all these weird factors, we asked ourselves how many, if 112 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: any US press sidence had substance abuse problems. Here are 113 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 1: the facts. First off, this is a tricky question and 114 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: there is no way to know the entire answer. No, 115 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: we looked pretty extensively into this, and I will tell 116 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: you right now, the things we're gonna talk about are 117 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: not fully corroborated in many instances. Some of the like 118 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: the little mentions we're gonna give to your things that 119 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: we saw in a couple of places. But it wasn't 120 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: like there was a book that some writer came through 121 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 1: because of a biography and like let the public know 122 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 1: about some of these things. Um, because I remember, we're 123 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: talking about fifty individual human beings for all the reasons 124 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 1: that you just mentioned, men who were protected who you know, 125 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 1: life is quiet about them, unless it's in some kind 126 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: of official book written by somebody they paid a lot 127 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: of money. It's untouchable for the most part, outside of 128 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: a handful of big scandals. I mean, the private life 129 00:07:56,440 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: of a president is pretty heavily guarded. Yeah, it's it 130 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 1: reminds me of water Shipped Down. Weirdly enough. Uh, do 131 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: you guys remember Watershipped Down? It's with the rabbits in 132 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 1: the fields of Blood. Yeah, that was wrecked my childhood, 133 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 1: nice and good and the yeah that went that went 134 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: through me for a loop too. There's this great mythology 135 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: in Watershipped Down about their god character named Frith and 136 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: how rabbits become rabbits, and the gist of it is 137 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: very paranoid. It's like the world is out to get you. 138 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 1: It's out to kill you. So we we know that 139 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 1: presidents are kind of like those rabbits and water shipped Down. 140 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 1: They're the most highly protected people in the world, but 141 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: they are also target number one for a lot of 142 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 1: other rival institutions. A lot of other individuals, and this 143 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:58,319 Speaker 1: it makes sense that they would be so highly protected, 144 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: their image would be so curated, because I was thinking 145 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: in terms of statistics, you guys, the president is a 146 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 1: very dangerous job in the US. One of every nine 147 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 1: presidents has been murdered. Uh. Since eighteen sixty five, one 148 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:17,439 Speaker 1: of every four presidents have had attempts on their lives. 149 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:20,679 Speaker 1: So that means that you have a twenty chance of 150 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: someone trying to kill you sometime during your term, and 151 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: if you look at successful assassinations, we're talking one in five. 152 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 1: So presidents have to be protected. Uh. In this protection extends, 153 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:37,439 Speaker 1: like you're saying, old, to the strict secrecy and confidentiality 154 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: around their inner lives, especially their medical conditions. Any time 155 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: someone is uh possibly going to become president, you'll notice 156 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 1: the media spends a lot of a lot of ink, 157 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: very carefully reporting stuff about their the physicals they have 158 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:59,719 Speaker 1: to take right and there were even there were there 159 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 1: was um a kind of rumor mill that got out 160 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 1: of control when former President Donald Trump I think, was 161 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: unexpectedly taken to Walter Read Medical Center on an unscheduled visit. 162 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 1: Because it generates so much concern, This is the guy 163 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 1: in charge of the world's wealthiest country, not even to 164 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 1: mention in the lead up to an election to right, Like, 165 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: I mean, we see that becoming a thing too with 166 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: like Hillary Clinton, for example, where I think she took 167 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:28,439 Speaker 1: a stutter step or something like that, and all of 168 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 1: a sudden it was big news that she was like 169 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 1: on death store. Obviously that was quite a misogynist narrative 170 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 1: as well, that was fed by the media and other candidates. 171 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 1: I would argue, But yeah, you're definitely it can. It 172 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:44,319 Speaker 1: can sway things. It can change world events if you're 173 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 1: actually president, or if you're in the run up to 174 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: a becoming president, it can sway the election a lot 175 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: of ways. Yeah, and think about it, do you want 176 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 1: I would think of another analogy here. Think of Warren Buffett. So, 177 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:01,559 Speaker 1: Warren Buffett is an elder States and almost a messionic 178 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 1: figure for people in the world of finance. Uh, the 179 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 1: president of the US is not just in charge of 180 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 1: an incredibly wealthy country. They're also in command of one 181 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:18,959 Speaker 1: of the most dangerous military on the planet. And with 182 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:22,199 Speaker 1: that kind of power at the height of international politics, 183 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: the president's health becomes kind like people rete leaves about it. 184 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 1: It becomes kind of like the way people try to 185 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 1: divine wisdom from Warren Buffets off the cuff opinions. Like 186 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:36,319 Speaker 1: we talked about it before, I think most recently our 187 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 1: episode on CEO s if Warren Buffett just goes on 188 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: the news one day and he can totally go on 189 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: whenever he wants. If he goes on the news one 190 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 1: day and he says a certain company is good or bad, 191 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: like if he comes if he goes on CNN or 192 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 1: what have you, uh and says POGs are coming back, 193 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 1: then the Wall Street will react and like people will 194 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: in vest in pals because it doesn't matter if he's 195 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 1: telling the truth, his opinion is just has so much 196 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,599 Speaker 1: weight to it. So if a president in this comparison 197 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 1: has an illness or a medical condition that goes public, 198 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:18,199 Speaker 1: right like if it turned out um someone had a 199 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: long term chronic condition, then global rivals will probably interpret 200 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: that condition as weakness as an opportunity to advance their 201 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 1: own interests, and domestic rivals will totally do the same. 202 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 1: On both sides. They'll say like, hey, let's get by 203 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: both sides, I mean the Democrat Republican divide. They'll they'll 204 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 1: try to strike when that window if they see a 205 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 1: window of opportunity, and that's not that's not the other thing. 206 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 1: We're talking about drugs. So first, yes, they're gonna keep 207 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 1: drug you secret because they basically don't want Russia to know, 208 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like that makes sense. But 209 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: I was thinking about this too when the last actors. 210 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 1: I would add here is that the legal status of 211 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:07,959 Speaker 1: various drugs has been in flux over time. This is 212 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: a young country, it's still figuring stuff out, and uh, 213 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:16,079 Speaker 1: it contradicts itself in a lot of laws over time. Um. 214 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:18,839 Speaker 1: I think about that a lot. Oh. I mean, like 215 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 1: methamphetamine used to be like super legal and super popular 216 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: and used heavily in the military. Uh, not to mention, 217 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:28,079 Speaker 1: I believe m d m A was even at one 218 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: point like an experimental military drug. Obviously we know LSDS 219 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 1: checkered history within the government with a M. K aulture 220 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: and all that, but specifically amphetamines, that was like a 221 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 1: military man's drug right there, because it got you, like 222 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 1: you kept you know, kept you from falling asleep on 223 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 1: your post, and you know, use fighter pilots a lot 224 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 1: like during the World Wars. You bring up a really 225 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 1: good point there, been just about the time factor, the 226 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 1: legality factor. Um. One thing that I at least didn't 227 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: think about as we were researching this story is how 228 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:05,719 Speaker 1: at least cannabis and marijuana, how how the legality of 229 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 1: that shifted and changed, how it became a negative thing. 230 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 1: But for a long time it was accepted and just 231 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: a part of Again, military culture was a part of 232 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 1: a lot of other culture. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely before because 233 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 1: drug legislation. I feel like this is fair to say 234 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 1: drug legislation in the US is as much based on 235 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 1: moral panics or performative values as it is on actual 236 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 1: concerns for people's safety. But like the most extreme example, 237 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 1: let's take the Founding Fathers. So we're gonna hang out 238 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 1: with those dudes in just a bit, but think about this. 239 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 1: You can say this conclusively, absolutely none of the US 240 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 1: Founding fathers, presidential or otherwise tried LSD. It's not because 241 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 1: they were mad about hallucinogens. It's because LSD literally did 242 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 1: not exist at the time. And then when we talk 243 00:14:56,760 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 1: about marijuana, like you say, it wasn't it was not 244 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 1: a big deal. And a lot of stuff modern Americans 245 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 1: assume about there at the early American attitudes of marijuana 246 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 1: are totally totally wrong. It was way less of a 247 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 1: big deal in terms of like getting high. They thought 248 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 1: that was something that French people did. Yeah, yes, several 249 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 1: uh yes, yeah, founding fathers right man. But was it 250 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: smoked though or was it more thought of as like 251 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 1: something to make strong rope with right exactly, And we'll 252 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 1: we'll get into that too. Uh. Due to these factors, 253 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: these things we name the secrecy, the need for protection, 254 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 1: the importance of public image, the US public generally does 255 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 1: not learn about scandalous or problematic medical shenanigans until way, way, 256 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 1: way after the fact, and often through an official channels, 257 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 1: through like an expose or something. These are the things 258 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 1: that Presidential Library would rather you not know when you visit. 259 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 1: So we can confirm. We can't always do this on 260 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 1: them once you know, but we can confirm, yes, some 261 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: presidents did drugs. They did a lot of drugs, had 262 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 1: hard drugs, A partied in a way that we get 263 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: anybody else arrested. What are we talking about? And tell 264 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 1: you after work from our sponsor. Here's where it gets crazy. 265 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 1: So this happens with a lot of world leaders. Right, 266 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 1: We're talking about people at the heights of privilege. So 267 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: I think before we dunk on these folks too hard, 268 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 1: we have to acknowledge they're not so different. I mean, 269 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 1: just look at the history of monarchies, you know, and 270 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 1: there's so many tales of depravity and very deep, damaging addiction. 271 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 1: It's the story for another day. But I just felt 272 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: like we need to do due diligence with this disclaimer 273 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: before we start calling presidents drug addicts. It's probably a 274 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 1: good just in case. So okay, great, so vice presidents, 275 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 1: you know, which is funny given their name. I was 276 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 1: thinking the same, But all right, So long story, shorre 277 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:12,919 Speaker 1: heckeat presidents did drugs and future presidents will probably also 278 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:16,639 Speaker 1: do drugs, regardless of what the policies in place are 279 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:19,440 Speaker 1: at the time. Let's go back to what we teased 280 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 1: kind of before the break hemp. Start with George Washington, 281 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:25,639 Speaker 1: the o G. So there are tons and tons of 282 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:28,160 Speaker 1: myths about this guy's American legend. A lot of these 283 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 1: myths have later been busted or corrected, like the cherry 284 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: tree thing, the wooden teeth thing. The story there is 285 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 1: actually way more gruesome than just wooden teeth, and one 286 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: of the most popular stories that is still I guarantee 287 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 1: told in dorm rooms across this country of ours is 288 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 1: someone will be like, um, Paul, give me a bond grip. 289 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 1: Sound perfect? So we'd be like, you know what, man, 290 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 1: George Washington's best president because he he loved getting him. Man, 291 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 1: he smoked weed all the time, and people I have 292 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: mad chill. He's so chill man. He would love fish. Uh, 293 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 1: there's a there's a myth though here because it's there's 294 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 1: no I want to be careful we say this. There 295 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:15,400 Speaker 1: is no proof that he smoked weed. He definitely did 296 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: grow industrial hemp. Industrial hemp is the non fun weed. 297 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 1: Like Noel said, it is for making rope. It's very 298 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 1: important to the maritime industries. Hat's right. It can make 299 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 1: all kinds of things, guys, not just rope. No, but 300 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: but but prope is I mean, you're absolutely right. But 301 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 1: like I think it's in um theater. Old theaters they 302 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 1: have like ropes that they would used to raise and 303 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 1: lower like backdrops and the curtains. I believe they call 304 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 1: those the hemps, or maybe that's also a nautical term 305 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 1: for the lines that like raisin lower sales. The hemps 306 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 1: the hemps, Uh, yeah, this is hemp is so strong, bro, 307 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 1: you have no no, no, it's like physically strong. My bad. 308 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:05,439 Speaker 1: It reminds me of It reminds me of that reminds 309 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: me two things. It reminds me of, Uh what was 310 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 1: that old weed magazine where they would sell Wizard Smoke 311 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: which was like High Times and then the yeah High 312 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 1: Times sold Wizard Smoke, which spoiler alert is not the 313 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 1: same thing. Don't be fooled. Uh. So, So I love 314 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 1: this picture of like some you remember that film Half 315 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:32,919 Speaker 1: Baked reference for h John Stewart is one of the 316 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 1: plays one of the smokers who's always like you have 317 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 1: to get high and then try to do new things 318 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 1: like look through telescopes or whatever. So I picture in 319 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:45,200 Speaker 1: this dorm room idea pictured George Washington like, hey man, 320 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: you ever tried to start a country And people are like, yeah, 321 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:49,680 Speaker 1: that's we're doing now, George, And he's like you, which, 322 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 1: I started country on weed, Like that's it's different. It's different. 323 00:19:56,440 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 1: But so he was not. He wasn't. The is no 324 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:02,400 Speaker 1: proof that he was smoking this and the things that 325 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 1: purport to have evidence of that, it just it hasn't 326 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: stacked up in what we can find and this is 327 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:12,159 Speaker 1: not to say people are intentionally misleading you. They're just 328 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: mixing up some of the facts. Because in the colonial 329 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 1: era and in like the early America America era, citizens 330 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 1: were legally required to grow hemp, and it was such 331 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:29,159 Speaker 1: a big deal that, for like more than a hundred 332 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 1: and fifty years before racism makes the marijuana laws come 333 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: into play, people could pay taxes with hemp. If you 334 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 1: didn't want to, like tony up cold hard scratch, you 335 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 1: would just give the tax man a pile of hemp, 336 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:50,920 Speaker 1: which I don't know what the equivalency rate was there, 337 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 1: but it'd be interesting to find out. So, well, it 338 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense. Um, you know, in the 339 00:20:56,119 --> 00:21:00,400 Speaker 1: sixteen hundred seventeen hundreds, you could pay any of your 340 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 1: debts with things like wood, like cords of wood, right 341 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 1: if you were chopping wood. That's how many pastors were paid. Um, 342 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 1: that was their salary, was what, because you know, you 343 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 1: had to live through the winter. Um. So it made 344 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 1: sense as a currency and much closer to a barter economy, 345 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: a grarian barter economy at that time. Yeah, So he 346 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:25,160 Speaker 1: wasn't we know that if he was smoking. Again, there's 347 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 1: no proof that he was he wasn't. He wasn't smoking 348 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 1: the kind of stuff you would imagine in a stoner movie. 349 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:33,879 Speaker 1: It wouldn't have done too much for him because of 350 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:36,879 Speaker 1: the low amount of th HC in there um. And 351 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 1: there's no record on the other side, there's no record 352 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:43,440 Speaker 1: of him explicitly saying I don't smoke him or what's 353 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 1: the other famous line, I tried it a couple of times, 354 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 1: but I didn't Inhale, he didn't say any of that. Uh, 355 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:52,239 Speaker 1: we didn't. He did like to drink alcohol, though a 356 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 1: ton of people did. At one point his estate was 357 00:21:55,480 --> 00:22:00,200 Speaker 1: the biggest producer of whiskey I think in America, were 358 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 1: on the North American continent made He made like eleven 359 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 1: thousand gallons of the stuff in one year alone. We 360 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 1: know all about George Washington's Booze Nous from our buddy 361 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 1: Alex Williams yearly gift of George Washington's egg Knock, which 362 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 1: is like booze and more booze and booze and booze 363 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,879 Speaker 1: and booze and then some sugar and like egg and 364 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 1: that's and it says like sip generously or something like 365 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: it's there's a whole like recipe that even tells you 366 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 1: how to enjoy it. It's so it's it's weird too, 367 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 1: because yeah, the recipe is hilarious, but also, um, I'm 368 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 1: impressed with Alex for making that stuff drinkable. But it's 369 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,440 Speaker 1: it's not something I would mess with lightly or mess 370 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: with if I had anything to do the next day, 371 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:47,879 Speaker 1: So be careful. It's it's all at a drake. Uh. 372 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:52,719 Speaker 1: Some I found semestiments that claim over the lifetime of 373 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 1: his career in office, George Washington alone spent about seven 374 00:22:56,600 --> 00:23:00,200 Speaker 1: percent of his income on on booze, on spear. It's 375 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 1: of one sort or another that was really common. But 376 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:04,679 Speaker 1: we should we should stay a weed for a moment. 377 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 1: So there are two guys very similar names, James Monroe 378 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 1: and James Madison. James Monroe gets the HUTSPA Award today 379 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 1: because he was an ambassador to France. That's where he 380 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:21,119 Speaker 1: learned that hasheesh was the thing and you could smoke it. 381 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,680 Speaker 1: He came back to the US and again remember prohibition 382 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 1: laws having come into play here, and he's like telling 383 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:31,679 Speaker 1: his friends, like, hash is awesome and we should smoke it, 384 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna can I smoke it? In here? Are 385 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,160 Speaker 1: we I'm gonna be quiet, I know we're doing the meeting. 386 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 1: And he continued to smoke until he was like seventy 387 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: three or something. Uh. James Madison famously featured in Hamilton's 388 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:52,400 Speaker 1: is on Record saying that we gives him the insights 389 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 1: he needed to create a new democracy, which, in fairness, 390 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 1: that sounds like something someone would say when they were 391 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 1: really high. Yeah, but you creating a new democracy on 392 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: me exactly. It's so weird to me thinking that people 393 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 1: had access to marijuana before there was Tim and Eric 394 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:15,639 Speaker 1: awesome show. Yeah, that's weird to me. That show is 395 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:19,880 Speaker 1: literally made of marijuana. Um, it's true. But but Ben, 396 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:23,399 Speaker 1: we're people. So the hashish was more popular than smoking 397 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:28,400 Speaker 1: like the you know, dried leaves of whatever plants. Like, 398 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:33,399 Speaker 1: I don't picture people like smoking joints or bowls or 399 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 1: anything back in those days. Like, I think the hashish 400 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 1: was like the first kind of big inroad of like 401 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,919 Speaker 1: using this as a psychotropic substance. Is that right? Or 402 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 1: were people smoking the just straight up rolling rolling splifts 403 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:51,640 Speaker 1: and stuff? Uh? Yeah, I think Monroe was later on 404 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:56,159 Speaker 1: he wasn't too discriminatory. Uh. So there's something else that 405 00:24:56,200 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 1: occurs when marijuana prohibition becomes main street and becomes law. 406 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:06,719 Speaker 1: Presidents who are already, you know, constantly under political attack 407 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 1: are never gonna admit if whether they've done something like that, 408 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 1: whether they did smoke weed in their teenage years or something. 409 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 1: And that makes sense because it's gonna be political suicide 410 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 1: for them. That's why we don't know a lot about 411 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 1: sort of the guys in the middle. Hey, I guess 412 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 1: Clinton was just kind of compelled to say that dumb 413 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,919 Speaker 1: thing about not inhaling because he was under questioning for 414 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 1: the Lewinsky thing or was it during that? And now 415 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:34,880 Speaker 1: I was I was separate than that, Like why would 416 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 1: he even say that? Why wouldn't need to tell him 417 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:40,159 Speaker 1: to go f themselves? It was very like, yeah, he 418 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,640 Speaker 1: had a very weird kind of your His critics would 419 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 1: call it hair splitting, you know, where we would say like, well, 420 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:51,880 Speaker 1: what did you mean bisexual relations or what did you know? Yes, 421 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:55,679 Speaker 1: I tried it, try weed a couple of times in 422 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 1: UH in England, but I didn't like it and I 423 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 1: didn't inhale uh. And that was actually that was a 424 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:06,160 Speaker 1: great set up for later President Barack Obama, who, when 425 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: remarking about marijuana said Uh. Yeah, I smoked weed and 426 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:14,920 Speaker 1: I had hailed. That's the whole point. He's the cool president, 427 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,159 Speaker 1: you know. It was like a new era for he 428 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:22,159 Speaker 1: makes cool Spotify playlists and watches like indie films and stuff. 429 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,159 Speaker 1: You know, he's like the the hipster president. So you 430 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:29,120 Speaker 1: gotta pass. George W. Bush may have smoked weed, but 431 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 1: there's there's interesting. I let's see what you guys think 432 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,239 Speaker 1: about this, because he is a very interesting character. He 433 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 1: struggled with alcohol before becoming a teetotaler. It's also widely 434 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 1: suspected that he did cocaine um quite prolifically in his 435 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 1: earlier years, and no one, well, I don't know. Let's 436 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 1: see what you think here. He has, for the entirety 437 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:58,119 Speaker 1: of his political career and his later artistic career, refused 438 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:01,159 Speaker 1: to respond to questions about merril On in the public sphere, 439 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:05,199 Speaker 1: except there was one one thing we found where he 440 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 1: was speaking with his biographer, guy named Douglas Weed. Yes, 441 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:16,679 Speaker 1: that's the true story. Yes, uh. He his biographer was 442 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:21,680 Speaker 1: talking with him about this, and Bush said, I wouldn't 443 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:25,119 Speaker 1: answer the marijuana questions. You know why, because I don't 444 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 1: want some little kid doing what I tried also because 445 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 1: I'm the president, right like, don't I don't. I won't 446 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,680 Speaker 1: dignify that with a response, you know what I mean 447 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 1: that respond to that, that after the fact response is 448 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,440 Speaker 1: pretty admirable to me. I just know, I completely agree 449 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:47,959 Speaker 1: because of the position and influence Bushes. Look, you know, 450 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 1: I mean I didn't care for that guy when I was, 451 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,439 Speaker 1: you know, an up and coming little rabble rousing early 452 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 1: twenties someothing. But man, by comparison, he came off looking 453 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 1: not too bad. You know, he paints and stuff uff. 454 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,879 Speaker 1: And he has come back and made some statements about 455 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:06,360 Speaker 1: choices that he may know. I mean, he's still you know, problematic. 456 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 1: But I'm with you, Matt. I think it is admirable 457 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 1: that he, you know, would think of it in those terms. 458 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:16,120 Speaker 1: And for the record, he also had had, apparently by 459 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:19,680 Speaker 1: all accounts, cleaned up his act well before he took 460 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:24,879 Speaker 1: his father's job as president. Because of course, despite purportedly 461 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 1: being a meritocracy, there is a weird sisce. I'm not 462 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 1: even going to talk about it. If you've listened to 463 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 1: this show, you know the stance. It's just weird and 464 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,200 Speaker 1: it's embarrassing to have to talk with people from other 465 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 1: countries about it. But so what about political dynasties. Okay, whatever, 466 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 1: it's nonmnarchal monarchies, yes, uh and malarkey, yes, the malarkey 467 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 1: of monarchies. So let's go to some other guys when 468 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 1: presidents were way more open about this. Andrew Jackson, Franklin Pierce, 469 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 1: Zachary Taylor. These three guys have us very important things 470 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 1: in common. They were all president at one point. They 471 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 1: all came from a military background, and they all liked 472 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,480 Speaker 1: getting high with their fellow soldiers. They talked about it. 473 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 1: They like smoking weed with him. Uh. Franklin Pierce, who 474 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 1: was often regarded as a not great president, wrote to 475 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 1: his family once and said essentially that smoking out with 476 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 1: his fellow soldiers was quote about the only good thing 477 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 1: about war, uh, which feels like a humanizing thing. But 478 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah. Maybe he wasn't a good president because 479 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 1: he was like an okay, dude. Maybe he was. Maybe 480 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 1: there was international crisis he's occurring, and he was like, okay, 481 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 1: I want to say the quiet part out loud. I 482 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 1: know what we're all thinking, what's the snack situation? And 483 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 1: really think about that. That's eighteen fifties, I think, is 484 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 1: this or Taylor. This is Pierce. Okay, sorry I was 485 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 1: seeing Zachary Taylor. But but Zachary Taylor, who's smoking with 486 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 1: his troops, that's that's like eighteen forties. Uh. He died 487 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 1: in eighteen fifties. So I wonder if it was any good. 488 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 1: You always hear about we'd being like better now than 489 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 1: it used to be. Um, But then you also hear 490 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:24,239 Speaker 1: about the killer skunk and nam so I never know 491 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 1: what to Yeah, there's not I mean, this is I 492 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 1: think this is a fun thing to speculate on. But 493 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 1: as you pointed out, proof is going to run scant 494 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 1: and a lot of these things. Were trying to be 495 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 1: clear when we're saying there are rumors or their allegations 496 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 1: or whatever. Uh. Again, we know that because of marijuana prohibition, 497 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 1: which continues in parts of the country today, um, maybe 498 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 1: not forever. You if you admitted this on a campaign 499 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 1: trail while the public was very against marijuana, you would 500 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 1: be like a guy saying, I am the pre fig 501 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 1: person to run this dealership because I used to steal cars, 502 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, I gotta I gotta grasp 503 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 1: on this um. And you could say the same thing 504 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 1: about private public revolving door deals anyhow. But so nowadays 505 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 1: I think we can all say whether or not you 506 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 1: yourself enjoy marijuana or any of its various like versions, right, 507 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 1: whether dabs or edible stuff, any of that, whether or 508 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 1: not you personally care for it. I think we can 509 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 1: agree that today marijuana's image has been somewhat redeemed. It's 510 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 1: seen as a less dangerous vice, and research definitely indicates 511 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 1: it's less dangerous than some legal drugs like alcohol. But 512 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,320 Speaker 1: this gets us to the juicy stuff. What about those 513 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 1: so called hard drugs, not just the booze, not just 514 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 1: the you know, like the tobacco and then caffeine and 515 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 1: the marijuana and the THHC. We're talking about stuff like cocaine, opioids, speed. 516 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,240 Speaker 1: So if these are hard rugs, does that mean marijuana 517 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,560 Speaker 1: is soft drugs? Marijuana? Is it a soft rock drug? 518 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 1: I guess so. I mean it's it's hard, referring to 519 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 1: like the fact that it's a substance, a powdered substance. 520 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:15,720 Speaker 1: And maybe marijuana is soft because it's soft and pillowy. Yeah, yeah, 521 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 1: you know, it would be interesting to find the etymology 522 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 1: of hard drugs, because you don't really hear people say 523 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 1: soft drugs. Right, No, they don't never. Maybe they should, 524 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 1: Maybe they should, Maybe they should. It could be a 525 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 1: factor of addictive qualities, you know, habit forming stuff. Maybe. Oh. 526 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 1: Soft drugs is a term, by the way Gateway Foundation 527 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 1: dot org describes soft drugs is being considered less harmful 528 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 1: than hard drug producing little to no physical or mental damage. 529 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 1: The term soft drug is often used interchangeably with the 530 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 1: phrase Gateway drug. Um, she definitely sounds more like a 531 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 1: cautionary description than soft dry. Soft drugs are fun. It's 532 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 1: like soft serve ice creams. It's basically gelato. Guys. Uh No, 533 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 1: I think that's that's a very good point. It seems 534 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,240 Speaker 1: like the distinction here is that a hard drug produces 535 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 1: severe physical or psychological dependence, right, like some there's some 536 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,680 Speaker 1: drugs where just the process of trying to get off 537 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 1: them can kill you. Right. I think that is morphine. 538 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,240 Speaker 1: I want to say, morphine withdrawal can't be fatal. So 539 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 1: did any presidents mess around in the sphere? We'll tell 540 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 1: you after a word from our sponsors. Are drugs well 541 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,320 Speaker 1: to er as human as they say, And presidents, no 542 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 1: matter what their fans might tell you, are human as well. 543 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 1: There are no god kings in American politics. There are 544 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 1: no superheroes with extraordinary powers. I mean I I was 545 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 1: noticing this because something really weird happens in news coverage. 546 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,720 Speaker 1: With these things, you'll you'll see these stories that kind 547 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 1: of like pop up like a flash in the pan 548 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 1: and then they quickly disappear. And some of those were 549 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:09,839 Speaker 1: rumors surrounding former President Trump, for example, and allegations that 550 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:14,600 Speaker 1: he was at some point using cocaine. Howard Dean, uh, 551 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,759 Speaker 1: former presidential candidate, even when on Twitter and Howard Dean, 552 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,920 Speaker 1: you know, as a medical background, and he was saying, yeah, 553 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,680 Speaker 1: look at him sniffing while he while he's making some 554 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,960 Speaker 1: sort of speech, you know what I mean? Uh that 555 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:33,239 Speaker 1: when or I can't remember if this is the I 556 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,319 Speaker 1: can't remember this a COVID remark, or if this is 557 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:40,920 Speaker 1: a like people were saying, look this, this guy seems 558 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,719 Speaker 1: to be behaving as though he is on cocaine, which 559 00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,279 Speaker 1: would be a big deal because cocaine is still very 560 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:51,880 Speaker 1: illegal in the US and was during his presidency. But 561 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,120 Speaker 1: this this hasn't been proven. We know he definitely wasn't 562 00:34:55,200 --> 00:35:00,759 Speaker 1: drinking because he's a teetotaler. Sort of like later George W. Bush. Look, 563 00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:02,520 Speaker 1: I have to ask you, guys, what do you think 564 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:07,400 Speaker 1: the ads are that someone like uh, a well healed 565 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:12,680 Speaker 1: businessman like Trump who later became president, would he have 566 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 1: done cocaine? Have you heard any speculation about this? I 567 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:20,520 Speaker 1: have a story, Um, I'm not gonna name names, um, 568 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:22,640 Speaker 1: but I have a story about someone that I know, 569 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,560 Speaker 1: uh from New York City, Um, who was going to 570 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:32,480 Speaker 1: a diet clinic, like in the seventies, early eighties maybe, um. 571 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,799 Speaker 1: And you'd go to these diet clinics often in those 572 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:40,759 Speaker 1: days to get diet pills, which is essentially meth you know, 573 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,440 Speaker 1: or like stimulants. It makes you, you know, British is 574 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:47,319 Speaker 1: your appetite? Certainly something that's less okay now, But back 575 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,480 Speaker 1: then I think it was very very common. And this 576 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:53,840 Speaker 1: person who shall remain nameless, claims to have the Donald 577 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,840 Speaker 1: Trump went to the same diet clinic. And while there 578 00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,279 Speaker 1: can be no confirmation as to whether he was going 579 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:03,280 Speaker 1: there to procure or these said stimulants, it is entirely likely. 580 00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:07,360 Speaker 1: But the stimulants would have also been legal and something 581 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:11,399 Speaker 1: that one could continue to take with the prescription over time. 582 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,240 Speaker 1: So I think it's more likely that it's that than cocaine, 583 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,440 Speaker 1: because Trump strikes me it's such a teetotal ride as 584 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:20,680 Speaker 1: don't buy him doing cocaine, and those kind of accusations, 585 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,799 Speaker 1: regardless of your political leanings, can be unfair, and if 586 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:25,920 Speaker 1: you don't have any if you're just sort of saying 587 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,520 Speaker 1: this is my take on someone who might have a 588 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,960 Speaker 1: stuff he knows, just to be fair. But I love 589 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:35,520 Speaker 1: the point you're bringing up about prescriptions. These are you know, 590 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:39,120 Speaker 1: these guys have some of the best medical care in 591 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:44,160 Speaker 1: this country, which means that any possible conditions or any 592 00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:49,959 Speaker 1: possible developments are obsessively watched for and predicted. And uh, 593 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,279 Speaker 1: the there's a lot of importance put on, you know, 594 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:57,120 Speaker 1: their mental health and their ability to perform in a sustained, 595 00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,960 Speaker 1: sharp manner. So it wouldn't be surprised at all to 596 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:06,680 Speaker 1: see that presidents have been maybe overprescribed drugs at certain times. Uh. 597 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:11,759 Speaker 1: These would count as legal substances because they are prescribed, 598 00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,920 Speaker 1: and you know, if you're basically the president, if you 599 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,360 Speaker 1: want a prescription, there will give it to you. But 600 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:23,480 Speaker 1: just because something has a legal status in the criminal 601 00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,840 Speaker 1: justice system doesn't mean it's not addictive, and does not 602 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,400 Speaker 1: mean that substance abuse patterns are not going to be formed. 603 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,960 Speaker 1: Oh and you know there have been accusations all the 604 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,600 Speaker 1: time about this. I'm sure, uh, current President Biden as 605 00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,400 Speaker 1: we record this is getting accused of being on on 606 00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:42,880 Speaker 1: some kind of pills. Right. But if you want to 607 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,160 Speaker 1: know the real party or in the history of the 608 00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:52,000 Speaker 1: US presidency, thinking about one man who stands forever immortalized 609 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:59,960 Speaker 1: in this weird frat house environment, John Fitzgerald Kennedy. John 610 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,719 Speaker 1: like the party, he also had a lot of health 611 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:06,040 Speaker 1: problems when he finally ran for president. His back was 612 00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:11,160 Speaker 1: what we call food bar to keep in a family show. Uh, 613 00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:15,640 Speaker 1: he had something experts are pre convinced now called Addison's disease, 614 00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:20,960 Speaker 1: which is and and it's an adrenal condition. So remember 615 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,880 Speaker 1: those insults of like low energy Jeb Bush or whatever 616 00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,920 Speaker 1: he was he was. JFK was struggling, He had low energy, 617 00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:32,400 Speaker 1: and he was also going up against Richard Nixon and 618 00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,280 Speaker 1: those those famous debates that taught us a lot about 619 00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,719 Speaker 1: media and that also probably send the election for him. 620 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,879 Speaker 1: He was young. It's kind of whipper snapper. Say what 621 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,920 Speaker 1: you want about Richard Dixon, but that guy was sharp. 622 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,719 Speaker 1: He was he was whip smart, and he also had 623 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:51,279 Speaker 1: a lot of experience. He knew the ropes of politics, 624 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:53,600 Speaker 1: wasn't that. I think what you're ferend too, maybe is 625 00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,200 Speaker 1: the fact that this was the first big televised debate, 626 00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,520 Speaker 1: and like Nixon looked kind of haggard and sweaty and 627 00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,040 Speaker 1: and and Kennedy just looked kind of, you know, like 628 00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:05,080 Speaker 1: a smoke show. And it really the optics of it 629 00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,360 Speaker 1: really kind of sentied it. Like you said, yeah, yeah, 630 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,120 Speaker 1: People who listened to the debate on the radio tended 631 00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,040 Speaker 1: to think Nixon carried the day, and people who saw 632 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:17,600 Speaker 1: the televised version were convinced that JFK was the better 633 00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:21,279 Speaker 1: performer in the debates. But here's something people didn't know. 634 00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,799 Speaker 1: I certainly didn't know this. I think a lot of 635 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:28,080 Speaker 1: people people certainly people definitely did not know in nineteen sixty. 636 00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:33,799 Speaker 1: But right before the nineteen sixty presidential election, Kennedy as 637 00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:37,560 Speaker 1: a senator, right and he makes the acquaintance of a 638 00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:43,319 Speaker 1: guy named Dr Max Jacobson. Dr Max Jacobson later go 639 00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:47,000 Speaker 1: on to get some cool street names. Miracle Max he's 640 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:50,040 Speaker 1: called sometimes. People in the White House started calling him 641 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:56,680 Speaker 1: doctor feel Good. You see where this is going, right? Yeah? Yeah, um. 642 00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:01,920 Speaker 1: He was giving Kennedy shots of what he referred to 643 00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,799 Speaker 1: as some kind of super vitamin or like some kind 644 00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:12,400 Speaker 1: of mystical tissue regeneration elixir right well in according to 645 00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:16,919 Speaker 1: Drunk History placenta, yeah, this is a very that shout 646 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,360 Speaker 1: out to drunk history man. That's such a such a 647 00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,319 Speaker 1: good show. Uh. And I feel like one day the 648 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,360 Speaker 1: three of us could do a drunk history thing. It 649 00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,040 Speaker 1: would be fun. We don't have to be drunk. I 650 00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:29,320 Speaker 1: just want us to do silly re enactments of historical events. 651 00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:34,400 Speaker 1: But yeah, uh, dr feel good. Dr Jacobson was giving 652 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:39,920 Speaker 1: Kennedy shots of a formula that he had created. And 653 00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,319 Speaker 1: this formula, by the way, was popular with many many 654 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,360 Speaker 1: celebrities of the time. It was also you he was. 655 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,880 Speaker 1: He was a Jewish immigrant from Germany, and he was 656 00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:54,759 Speaker 1: convinced that German forces were specifically using his formula on 657 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:58,439 Speaker 1: their troops and maybe even Hitler himself was taken a job. 658 00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:03,040 Speaker 1: So he's like, he said, these miracle tissue regenerator shots. 659 00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:10,960 Speaker 1: They contained amphetamine, methamphetamine, allegedly, animal hormones like you said, Matt, 660 00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:16,279 Speaker 1: human placenta, painkillers, steroids, and multi vitamins. So, to be 661 00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,680 Speaker 1: absolute fair, there were vitamins in there all at once. 662 00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,520 Speaker 1: All of this stuff seems like, so kill a racehorse. 663 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:26,400 Speaker 1: It's a formula, man, It's like Coca Cola's secret formula. 664 00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:28,840 Speaker 1: But in this case it's got placenta. Where do you 665 00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:34,080 Speaker 1: get the painkillers? It's like a speedball, man. Well, so 666 00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,759 Speaker 1: as soon as Kennedy gets his first shot of this, 667 00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:42,440 Speaker 1: he feels amazing. He's like yeah, oric and he and 668 00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:45,560 Speaker 1: he's like I am you know, sometimes people talking corporate 669 00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:47,840 Speaker 1: American picture him walking off from the debate and he's like, 670 00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:52,799 Speaker 1: I crushed us. I crouched and he literally smashed a 671 00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:56,520 Speaker 1: desk with his fists and cracked in half. You know. Yeah, 672 00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:58,960 Speaker 1: And to be fair, we don't know. We do not 673 00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:04,400 Speaker 1: know whether Kennedy knew what was in those shots, you know, 674 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,560 Speaker 1: or like what was explained to him exactly. And this 675 00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:11,520 Speaker 1: is like tales that we hear way after the fact. Yes, 676 00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:13,920 Speaker 1: different culture around medicine then too. You just kind of 677 00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:17,439 Speaker 1: trusted and took what the doctor gave you. Yep. That's 678 00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:21,959 Speaker 1: why they say doctor's orders or do as the doctor ordered. Yeah. Yeah, 679 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,080 Speaker 1: I think that's a great point, Matt, because if he 680 00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,239 Speaker 1: had been told, yeah, I'm gonna shoot you up in 681 00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,960 Speaker 1: the butts or in the throat with meth, he might 682 00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:35,000 Speaker 1: have reacted differently. But he liked this. He felt it 683 00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:38,080 Speaker 1: worked for him, and all in all, he got at 684 00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:42,000 Speaker 1: least thirty four of these shots on separate occasions, and 685 00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,360 Speaker 1: folks in his inner circle were starting to get worried. 686 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,319 Speaker 1: Drunk History has a pretty great depiction of this. But 687 00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:52,000 Speaker 1: from the reports we saw when he was confronted by 688 00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:56,600 Speaker 1: Robert Kennedy his brother, Uh, and his brother said, dude, 689 00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:01,719 Speaker 1: you're shooting up speed. Then all the President didn't really 690 00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,080 Speaker 1: care what the answers where. He said, Look, I don't 691 00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,439 Speaker 1: I don't care if it's horse piss is the quote 692 00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:10,200 Speaker 1: you'll see. He said, it works. Eventually, the White House 693 00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:13,120 Speaker 1: physicians get wise to this and they put a stop 694 00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,719 Speaker 1: to it. They kind of have like an intervention, like, dude, 695 00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:19,360 Speaker 1: you are in charge of nuclear weapons. A miracle Max, 696 00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,359 Speaker 1: You're no longer welcome in the Oval Office. Well, it's 697 00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:26,040 Speaker 1: ben I didn't. I haven't confirmed the Drunk History telling 698 00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:29,200 Speaker 1: of it. But do we know whether the Carlisle Hotel 699 00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:33,719 Speaker 1: thing was the reason for that intervention? Uh? Don't. It's 700 00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,640 Speaker 1: a little unclear on the it's a little unclear on 701 00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:40,280 Speaker 1: the order of operations. But but because the way drunk 702 00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:44,600 Speaker 1: history relates it, once again, it's it's a great show, 703 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:50,000 Speaker 1: but the way drunk history relates it is JFK gets 704 00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:54,359 Speaker 1: cut off from Dr feel Good and he's already like 705 00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:58,080 Speaker 1: establishing a bad pattern because he's asking to get shots 706 00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,920 Speaker 1: more and more frequently, and apparently he is just dealing 707 00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:07,520 Speaker 1: with physical pain that he cannot handle. And he contacts 708 00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,640 Speaker 1: this Doctor feel Good. He's like, Doctor feel Good, you 709 00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,879 Speaker 1: get made me feel good one last time? And uh, 710 00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:15,880 Speaker 1: I don't know what that's. Kennedy is a beat poet, 711 00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:20,919 Speaker 1: I guess, and and uh and so they agree it's 712 00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:24,759 Speaker 1: a wild story. They meet at the Carlisle Hotel in 713 00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:30,040 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty two and there's one last shot, one last one, 714 00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:35,520 Speaker 1: last rocket to euphoria. But it's a much bigger dosage 715 00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:39,479 Speaker 1: than Kennedy is used to and he loses his mind. Yeah, 716 00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:44,040 Speaker 1: it sounds kind of humorous, I guess, maybe not now, 717 00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,840 Speaker 1: it's kind of scary speed freakouts, nothing to be toyed with. 718 00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:48,960 Speaker 1: If you've seen like Requiem for a Dream and and 719 00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:53,200 Speaker 1: other like drug movies of the nineties in early two thousand's. 720 00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:57,560 Speaker 1: But yeah, he basically suffers a psychotic break um and 721 00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:00,879 Speaker 1: what is he like mooning people or something. It takes 722 00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:11,319 Speaker 1: down carpets downways of a really nice hotel. Right, is 723 00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,160 Speaker 1: this just known after the fact then, or is this 724 00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:18,239 Speaker 1: the new Yeah? Yeah, that would have been a field day. 725 00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:22,200 Speaker 1: So how weird and ridiculous is this? He's doing this 726 00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:25,080 Speaker 1: in front of the Secret Service, in front of his bodyguards. 727 00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:31,080 Speaker 1: He's like, whoo, yeah, I feel amazing. I call this 728 00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:35,160 Speaker 1: move helicopter. You can picture it and uh, and they're like, 729 00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,320 Speaker 1: you know, they're respectful. Their job is to protect this guy. 730 00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:40,600 Speaker 1: By this point, they have probably seen him under the 731 00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:44,160 Speaker 1: influence of the substance before, and so they're kind of like, 732 00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:47,920 Speaker 1: from what we found and from what the way it 733 00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:52,279 Speaker 1: gets reported unofficially is, they were kind of amused a 734 00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:54,680 Speaker 1: little bit. They were like, that's crazy. This guy is 735 00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:58,280 Speaker 1: the president and he is, no doubt keeping a perfectly 736 00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:01,080 Speaker 1: straight faced the whole time. I'm trying yeahing behind their 737 00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:04,080 Speaker 1: dark glasses. That was tough to keep his straight face. 738 00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:07,480 Speaker 1: But then the funny games were over because he breaks 739 00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,399 Speaker 1: out of the hotel room and now he's crazy like 740 00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:14,640 Speaker 1: he is having a psychotic break running through, as Matt said, 741 00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:18,400 Speaker 1: one of the most influential, important hotels and places of 742 00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:22,720 Speaker 1: political horse trading in d C. And he's going nuts. 743 00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,040 Speaker 1: This is gonna be a disaster. It's picture of the 744 00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:28,760 Speaker 1: Secret Service running after him in a line like Benny 745 00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,920 Speaker 1: Hill I'll sped up and and then he like like 746 00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:33,400 Speaker 1: hits him over the head with a hammer and kind 747 00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,000 Speaker 1: of runs away in the other director and he's just 748 00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:42,640 Speaker 1: like screaming like Maryland. You know, no, oh no, no, no, guys, 749 00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:46,680 Speaker 1: thinking about the political disaster that would have been, Like 750 00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,520 Speaker 1: if if that happened now and it was Biden and 751 00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:53,160 Speaker 1: he was at the w just naked doing cartwheels, which 752 00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:55,799 Speaker 1: would be very difficult for Biden at his age, but 753 00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:59,080 Speaker 1: like everyone would have a cell phone, there would be 754 00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:04,040 Speaker 1: footage of it, be on the news. Our ideological enemies 755 00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:08,400 Speaker 1: would just have a field day. I mean, my god. 756 00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:13,400 Speaker 1: So this is not a scenario that could ever occur again, 757 00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:17,160 Speaker 1: I would argue, uh yeah, not not in this way. 758 00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:21,600 Speaker 1: This is this is pretty nuts. Uh So if you 759 00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:23,399 Speaker 1: were listening to this and you and it turns out 760 00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:30,200 Speaker 1: Kennedy had pretty nuts, Um that's what the Yeah, they 761 00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:33,120 Speaker 1: were like, you know, he puts the work in demandscaping 762 00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:36,160 Speaker 1: that that speaks to his character. But I didn't see 763 00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:39,239 Speaker 1: the conversation going there. But it's good point. Uh So, 764 00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,879 Speaker 1: this is something you need to understand if you grew 765 00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,600 Speaker 1: up in the US, if you live in the US 766 00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:49,600 Speaker 1: this time, actually, I would say, anybody alive today, we 767 00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:55,440 Speaker 1: need to understand how very lucky everyone was that nothing 768 00:47:55,560 --> 00:48:00,800 Speaker 1: went sideways during the psychotic break. How would a speed 769 00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:05,520 Speaker 1: geeked president respond to nuclear threats, for example? Right, how 770 00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:07,960 Speaker 1: would you be able to say, like, how would you 771 00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,520 Speaker 1: be able to enact the amendments that say the president 772 00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:12,239 Speaker 1: is currently unfit to serve and it's got to be 773 00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,400 Speaker 1: the vice. You know, it's tough. Well, one side effect 774 00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:19,920 Speaker 1: of heavy meth amphetamine uses like severe delusions of grandeur 775 00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:22,720 Speaker 1: and like thinking you're kind of the center of the universe, 776 00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:26,320 Speaker 1: you know. And uh, I think we know one world 777 00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,520 Speaker 1: leader that took a lot of emphetamines and and and 778 00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:33,960 Speaker 1: acted out the worst possible version of that symptom was Hitler. 779 00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:36,520 Speaker 1: You know, I mean I don't doubt that that his 780 00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:40,960 Speaker 1: emphetamine us contributed to his like myopic, you know, completely 781 00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:43,200 Speaker 1: bonkers worldview. In some ways, it in the way he 782 00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:46,680 Speaker 1: like expressed it. Yeah, and this is a good point 783 00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:49,720 Speaker 1: because we need to also highlight, as we said earlier, 784 00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:54,359 Speaker 1: that other world leaders have also have all I don't 785 00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:55,520 Speaker 1: know what you want to call it. You want to 786 00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:58,319 Speaker 1: call it partying or whatever. I didn't understand that. For 787 00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:01,640 Speaker 1: a long time. I was so party bro. Yeah, like 788 00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:04,080 Speaker 1: part I would be somewhere having someone asked me to 789 00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:05,880 Speaker 1: the party. I didn't know what they meant. I was 790 00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:09,319 Speaker 1: like like birthday parties, Like, wait, I don't know what 791 00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:12,640 Speaker 1: that means here. I think it means to do cocaine usually, 792 00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,600 Speaker 1: Like I think it can mean different things. But yeah, 793 00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:19,040 Speaker 1: it depends on how it's being asked and who's you know. 794 00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:21,680 Speaker 1: They can also mean, you know, if a sex worker, 795 00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:24,600 Speaker 1: you know, maybe a party. At least in movies, that's 796 00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:28,760 Speaker 1: usually means do you want to pay me for sex? Well, 797 00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:31,399 Speaker 1: I thought it was like multiplayer games on PS four, 798 00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:36,919 Speaker 1: Mario party, It's it's Mario party, Okay, it'll have the modifier. Yeah, 799 00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:40,319 Speaker 1: I know. For for years and this is embarrassing but 800 00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,560 Speaker 1: kind of endearing. I guess I just thought people were 801 00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:47,040 Speaker 1: asking me my opinion. I'm partying, so do your party? 802 00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:50,640 Speaker 1: I like a good party. I I am not I 803 00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:54,200 Speaker 1: don't have interest in whatever they were specifically referencing, but 804 00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:57,960 Speaker 1: I generally was like, it was like asking someone. The 805 00:49:58,000 --> 00:49:59,440 Speaker 1: way I thought of it, it was like, if you 806 00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:02,960 Speaker 1: ask someone like music, who's gonna say no, it's gonna 807 00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:08,759 Speaker 1: be like music bulls, Matt hot take, You're gonna get 808 00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:12,080 Speaker 1: quoted on that music, pull out of context. Though. The 809 00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:14,920 Speaker 1: only person we have ever worked with who and this 810 00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:18,160 Speaker 1: is a beautiful, beautiful moment um our dear friend of 811 00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:21,960 Speaker 1: the show, uh Scott Benjamin, who you probably heard on 812 00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:25,440 Speaker 1: a recent Highway of Tears classic. We were on a 813 00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:28,439 Speaker 1: road rally with him many years ago and we're trying 814 00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:30,880 Speaker 1: to find music that we could play in the car. 815 00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:34,440 Speaker 1: And Scott was very very tolerant live and let live dude. 816 00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,680 Speaker 1: But he also eventually told us he just quote, wasn't 817 00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:41,560 Speaker 1: that into music of any kind. We spent like twenty 818 00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,359 Speaker 1: minutes asking him genres and he's like, oh no, most 819 00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:46,960 Speaker 1: of the time he's like, what is that? But does 820 00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:50,520 Speaker 1: he party? But does he party? That's the question? Anyway. 821 00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:55,040 Speaker 1: JFK did um. But to be clear, JFK was also 822 00:50:55,840 --> 00:51:03,680 Speaker 1: seeking some kind of respite from these very painful medical 823 00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:07,399 Speaker 1: conditions and at some at certain points, he was I mean, 824 00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:11,799 Speaker 1: he was definitely up to multiple medications per day, you know, 825 00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:17,399 Speaker 1: including medication including some like steroids stuff. Uh. And if 826 00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:20,520 Speaker 1: you look back at people have researched his medical records, 827 00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:23,520 Speaker 1: they say when he was no longer a patient of 828 00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:27,960 Speaker 1: doctor feel good, his policy decisions seemed to become a 829 00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:33,520 Speaker 1: little more stable. But that that's that's a correlation. Experts 830 00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:36,640 Speaker 1: are not going to call that a causation just yet. Uh. 831 00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,359 Speaker 1: We're not going to get to everything here, especially given 832 00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:41,560 Speaker 1: how how many of these things end up being legends 833 00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:44,520 Speaker 1: or rumors or stuff that can't be proven. But we 834 00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:48,920 Speaker 1: can say one takeaway here is none of these politicians 835 00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:53,360 Speaker 1: presidents aren't the only politicians who have used illegal substances. 836 00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:58,080 Speaker 1: None of them suffered the typical consequences of violating drug 837 00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:02,080 Speaker 1: loss No jail time, no fine, no probation. What's the 838 00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:05,839 Speaker 1: other way, No ankle bracelets, no drug test. Well, they 839 00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:09,640 Speaker 1: probably get drug tests pretty often, right, How does that work? Oh? 840 00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:12,600 Speaker 1: I kind of doubt it, don't you. Well, just so 841 00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:21,239 Speaker 1: the test, Well, I just mean thinking what legally, But 842 00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:25,680 Speaker 1: what I'm saying is like, who's gonna what do you do? 843 00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:30,320 Speaker 1: If you test the president. Yeah, we're gonna need to 844 00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:35,480 Speaker 1: do some counseling. Yeah, now I'm the president, Mr President face, 845 00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:39,400 Speaker 1: Mr President, you can give us the lutes now or 846 00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:41,920 Speaker 1: we're gonna have to search your room. Okay, I do 847 00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:46,480 Speaker 1: what I want rips bong. So do you guys, do 848 00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:50,440 Speaker 1: you guys think seriously? Yeah, within our lifetimes, do you 849 00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:55,160 Speaker 1: think it will be like marijuana? Cannabis will be normalized 850 00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:58,440 Speaker 1: to the point where a sitting president can be a 851 00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:03,640 Speaker 1: just casual user of marijuana after hours and everybody would 852 00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:07,560 Speaker 1: be okay with it. Maybe it was made legal every 853 00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:09,680 Speaker 1: I mean it's legal in the district of Columbia. Yeah, 854 00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:13,480 Speaker 1: if it's in our lifetimes, that's that's a long enough 855 00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:17,759 Speaker 1: hopefully uh stretch of time that we could that it 856 00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:20,359 Speaker 1: could be possible because you don't think about it, think 857 00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:24,120 Speaker 1: about it attaining the role of alcohol or sort of 858 00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:27,160 Speaker 1: the image of alcohol. Like it's it's very common for 859 00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:31,000 Speaker 1: campaigning people if they do and vibe, it's common for 860 00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:33,040 Speaker 1: them to like have a beer with the local folks. 861 00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:37,040 Speaker 1: We're here in Wisconsin, you know, champagne toasts when you 862 00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:40,520 Speaker 1: win an election or whatever. But like it's about attitude though, right, 863 00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:42,880 Speaker 1: like I mean, if it's about like you know, playing 864 00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:45,480 Speaker 1: to a base and constituents and all that, and even 865 00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:47,799 Speaker 1: if it's legal, there's a lot of voter is that 866 00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:50,680 Speaker 1: if they thought the president was smoking wacky tobaccy, they 867 00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:52,560 Speaker 1: might not like it too much. So it's not about 868 00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:53,960 Speaker 1: the law. It's about like I mean, I know that's 869 00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:55,719 Speaker 1: what you're saying, Matt, but I just think that's the 870 00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:58,040 Speaker 1: thing that would lead it make it be a long 871 00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:02,000 Speaker 1: road to that because of people's you know, remaining biases, 872 00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:03,799 Speaker 1: which you're right, is is turning. The tide of that 873 00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,880 Speaker 1: is turning. And the president would have to follow federal 874 00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:10,840 Speaker 1: law first in that regard, so like they can't. The 875 00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:15,280 Speaker 1: federal laws so contradictory right with the stance of state 876 00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:17,560 Speaker 1: laws at this point, So it would be it's a 877 00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:19,759 Speaker 1: big bull of spaghetti. I don't I don't know if 878 00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:23,600 Speaker 1: it would happen now, I honestly, I don't know how 879 00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:26,319 Speaker 1: I would react, because I just that's what I was 880 00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:29,080 Speaker 1: thinking about, like how how would how would we personally 881 00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:31,680 Speaker 1: react to the fact that the president just smoked sweet 882 00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:34,600 Speaker 1: Not that it's a bad thing, it's just as we 883 00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:36,480 Speaker 1: stated at the top of this, and the pressures that 884 00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:42,760 Speaker 1: the president is under in the like totally totally lost 885 00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:49,080 Speaker 1: the launch codes. Um, yeah, so high. I mean it's 886 00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:52,719 Speaker 1: not even as you know, or silly or dramatic as that, 887 00:54:52,800 --> 00:55:00,200 Speaker 1: just little things like little decisions on diplomacy of the reactions. Guy, 888 00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:04,080 Speaker 1: I can see myself saying, you know what, I I 889 00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:06,759 Speaker 1: want to be fair. I love the guy's snack policy. 890 00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:10,560 Speaker 1: I think that's done a lot. Uh. I'd like the 891 00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:13,880 Speaker 1: soundtracks that are playing when the speeches start, but I 892 00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:17,080 Speaker 1: wish they started on time and maybe we're a little 893 00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:21,799 Speaker 1: more focused, uh and and less discussing the music that 894 00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:24,719 Speaker 1: was playing as this person walked up. I don't know. 895 00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:26,640 Speaker 1: I just always assumed that if you were working at 896 00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:31,120 Speaker 1: that height, like you have so much stuff you have 897 00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:34,920 Speaker 1: to do, I would question, like the time right, what 898 00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:38,200 Speaker 1: is your what is your recovery time to be non 899 00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:42,440 Speaker 1: inebriated on your thing, which is, you know, not letting 900 00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:45,280 Speaker 1: the world descend into chaos or whatever. It's a matter 901 00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:47,400 Speaker 1: of professionalism too. I mean, we deal with plenty of 902 00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:50,319 Speaker 1: folks that lived in work in California, you know where 903 00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:53,400 Speaker 1: we'd super legal. But if they showed up Mega Stone 904 00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:56,040 Speaker 1: to like an important business zoom or something that's not 905 00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:58,839 Speaker 1: a good look. So you know, it's just a matter 906 00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:02,720 Speaker 1: of like professionalism and just sort of like the weight 907 00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:05,200 Speaker 1: of the office and all that. So I would say no, 908 00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:07,560 Speaker 1: I would say that's maybe never gonna happen. And I'm 909 00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:10,080 Speaker 1: okay with that. I'm okay with it not happening. But 910 00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:14,439 Speaker 1: I could see it happening. And again, you know, these 911 00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:17,920 Speaker 1: folks are all human, These are all human beings. We 912 00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:20,759 Speaker 1: haven't touched on other world leaders, but you are going 913 00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:24,880 Speaker 1: to find similar stories across the planet. Uh, there was 914 00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:29,920 Speaker 1: one anecdote. It was still hilarious. So uh. Former President 915 00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:32,720 Speaker 1: Bill Clinton here in the US had a really weird 916 00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:37,279 Speaker 1: relationship with his Russian counterpart Boris Yelson. And Yelson liked 917 00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:39,959 Speaker 1: a party, and this is a true story. One time 918 00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:43,000 Speaker 1: he was staying at the White House. He got like 919 00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:46,920 Speaker 1: dead drunk, like fall down drunk. The sheets are not 920 00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:49,640 Speaker 1: in the wind because the wind isn't sober enough to 921 00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:54,320 Speaker 1: carry him drunk, and he stumbled out onto Pennsylvania Avenue, 922 00:56:55,280 --> 00:57:00,239 Speaker 1: fighting off security in his underwear in d C. Yeah, 923 00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:03,800 Speaker 1: and he was screaming for a taxi because he wanted 924 00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:07,400 Speaker 1: to go get pizza. He was unsuccessful. Know that the 925 00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:10,279 Speaker 1: whole thing with pizzas that they deliver it like it's 926 00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:12,359 Speaker 1: a different time. Maybe I don't know. I don't know. 927 00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:15,160 Speaker 1: I mean, he was unfamiliar to that. But but and 928 00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:18,200 Speaker 1: that's you know, that's another person living under enormous pressure. 929 00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:21,840 Speaker 1: So we don't we don't know specifics. But at this point, 930 00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:23,880 Speaker 1: I think we turned the story over to you, fellow 931 00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:28,160 Speaker 1: conspiracy realist. This is a question I have, Matt, for 932 00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:31,680 Speaker 1: you and for funeral and for you listening at home. Ethically, 933 00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:36,400 Speaker 1: should this kind of secrecy exist, this secrecy coupled with, 934 00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:39,280 Speaker 1: let's be honest, the lack of consequences or lack of 935 00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:43,360 Speaker 1: legal consequences. Is there a valid, great or good argument here? 936 00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:47,200 Speaker 1: Is it more important for the public not to know 937 00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:51,920 Speaker 1: this is going on? Or is should the should these 938 00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:54,840 Speaker 1: world leaders be held accountable? And if so, how, I 939 00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:57,200 Speaker 1: don't know. I leave it to uh, I leave it 940 00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:00,880 Speaker 1: to listeners to let us know what they think. Honestly, UM, 941 00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:03,680 Speaker 1: I think it's an interesting question, and it's almost a 942 00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:06,560 Speaker 1: whole other conversation and maybe we can you know, read 943 00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:10,120 Speaker 1: back some people's responses on a on an upcoming listener mail. Well, yeah, 944 00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:13,160 Speaker 1: I'll give you my answer. Really, fast. If we knew 945 00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:15,960 Speaker 1: what went on behind the closed doors of the White 946 00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:20,080 Speaker 1: House in any given presidency, I think we were like 947 00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:23,720 Speaker 1: the country would explode in many ways because we already 948 00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:27,480 Speaker 1: lose stuff. We completely lose faith in the in the office. 949 00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:30,800 Speaker 1: That's a good point. That's a very good point. So 950 00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:33,120 Speaker 1: what do you think, folks, We can't wait to hear 951 00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:34,880 Speaker 1: from you. We try to be easy to find us 952 00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:38,520 Speaker 1: online Instagram, Facebook, all the hits, all the good ones, 953 00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:42,120 Speaker 1: all that slow jazz of the worldwide Web. Go check 954 00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:44,480 Speaker 1: out here's where it gets crazy on our Facebook page 955 00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:48,960 Speaker 1: and stay tuned because we have some big announcements on 956 00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:53,920 Speaker 1: the way. 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They should be thinking about 966 00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:25,680 Speaker 1: Matt when they're recording said missive yes, come up with 967 00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:28,560 Speaker 1: a cool nickname, just to say a little more anonymous, 968 00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:32,280 Speaker 1: so than us knowing exactly who you are. Note that 969 00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:34,880 Speaker 1: we do get your phone number. It is a voice 970 00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:38,800 Speaker 1: messaging service, so you may receive a call back. That 971 00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:41,000 Speaker 1: is a fair warning that we are giving to you 972 00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:44,200 Speaker 1: right now. Not not a creepy call back like a 973 00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:47,440 Speaker 1: call back from one of us, most likely you, Matt. No, no, no, 974 00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:51,040 Speaker 1: not creepy at all. No. Um. 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