1 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: I'm Holly Fry and this is season two of Our Skin, 2 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 1: a personal discovery podcast, and it is wonderful to have 3 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:17,319 Speaker 1: you here with us. Connection is what this show is 4 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: all about, specifically connecting about things that we're sometimes afraid 5 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:24,479 Speaker 1: to talk about. Today, we're going to be exploring the 6 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: ups and downs, past and present, personal and universal troubles 7 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: we have with our skin. Our skin is our most 8 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 1: visible organ. What happens on our skin affects the rest 9 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: of our lives, especially when dealing with a chronic condition. 10 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:43,240 Speaker 1: Getting diagnosed with one of these, like psoriasis, can be overwhelming, 11 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 1: but you're not alone. Each episode features a personal story 12 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: of resilience and grace, but our personal stories are threads 13 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:54,319 Speaker 1: in a larger tapestry, and there are lessons for us 14 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: in the history of how we treat our skin and 15 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 1: the progress we've made together. Caring for our skin is 16 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 1: caring for ourselves. Whether you're seeking inspiration for your own 17 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: journey or curious about the history of our Skin, you'll 18 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 1: find empathetic, transformative conversations here on Our Skin. Today, we 19 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:19,679 Speaker 1: are joined by someone who brings artistry, advocacy, and authenticity 20 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 1: to everything he does, Daikwon cherry. If you are part 21 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 1: of the online poriasis community, or if you really like art, 22 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 1: you have likely seen Daikon's work. Through bold and beautiful 23 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: visual art, vulnerable storytelling, and powerful advocacy, he is changing 24 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 1: how people see poriasis and themselves. Diagnosed in the fifth grade, 25 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:44,399 Speaker 1: Daikwon's early years of living with psoriasis were marked by 26 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: confusion and stigma, but after a surprising moment of affirmation 27 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: thanks to keeping up with the Kardashians, he found the 28 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: courage to speak up. But Daikwon's advocacy is not just 29 00:01:56,720 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 1: about awareness, it is also about joy. He has talked 30 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 1: openly about reclaiming confidence, celebrating self expression, and building a 31 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: life that does not wait for clear skin. In a 32 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: world that still treats visible difference as something to hide, 33 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: Dayquon flips that script. He shows us we don't need 34 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: to be fixed to be whole, and that beauty, power, 35 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: and purpose can all coexist with chronic illness. Today, we 36 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 1: are going to talk to Dayquon about his creative journey, 37 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: the communities that have lifted him up, and how identity, illness, 38 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:33,920 Speaker 1: and art all intersect in his incredible life. Day Quon, 39 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: Welcome to our skin I am so glad you're here. 40 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 2: Thank you for having me everyone, I'm excited to be here. 41 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: Ah, this is the dream. Let's talk about art and 42 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 1: also the purpose of the podcast together. At last, I 43 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 1: want to start at the beginning. Will you take us 44 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: back to when you were first diagnosed with psoriasis. What 45 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: were those early symptoms like you were just a kid, 46 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: and how were you making sense of what was happening. 47 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 3: It was a very troubled time because at that time 48 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 3: I wasn't privy to the knowledge of psoriasis, didn't know 49 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 3: what it was at all. 50 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 2: My family didn't know what it was. 51 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:14,799 Speaker 3: We thought it was wingworms actually, because it just popped 52 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:17,399 Speaker 3: up out of no way or my scalp and then 53 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 3: trickled down to my back area. For a very long time, 54 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 3: I felt so self conscious about it because I didn't 55 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:24,919 Speaker 3: know what it was and. 56 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 2: I didn't see a lot of other people with it. 57 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:31,919 Speaker 3: I was the only person, as I thought at the time, 58 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 3: that had this disorder. So I used to hide my 59 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 3: scalp all the time with a hoodie. In school, I 60 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 3: used to get in trouble, but I never told them 61 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 3: why I would do so. 62 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 2: It wasn't until middle school. 63 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 3: When I was very heavily involved watching Keeping Up with 64 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 3: the Kardashians, and I saw Kim talk about her diagnosis. 65 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 3: I was like, wait, I have that too. By that time, 66 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 3: we already figured out that I assoriasis through going to 67 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 3: the dermatologists, of course, and being officially die knows something. 68 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 3: When I heard Kim had the same disorder as me, 69 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 3: I'm like, am I a celebrity. 70 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 2: Because I was the only person. I'm like, is this 71 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 2: like the right of passage to become a celebrity? 72 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 1: Like this is the deal you have to make. 73 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 2: This is the deal I have to make. But I'll 74 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 2: be a celebrity. 75 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 3: It still took a toll, even in that moment of 76 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 3: seeing like, Okay, someone else does have it, but I 77 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 3: still feel so secluded and alienated. 78 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:33,159 Speaker 2: It was a tough time. But here we are. 79 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 1: Now starting out as a kid going up. Even through 80 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: that moment where a celebrity has the same thing, that 81 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 1: is still a very vulnerable time in anyone's life. Was 82 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: there a specific moment or a turning point when you 83 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: just decided you were going to start sharing this story publicly? 84 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 3: I think there. So there's two different answers to that. 85 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 3: The first answer I will say I started getting more 86 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 3: into skincare in high school. 87 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:00,479 Speaker 2: You know, high school is a different for the type 88 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 2: of ballgame. 89 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:04,280 Speaker 3: It got more aggressive towards my freshman ye of college 90 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 3: and on my face, which was also again another vulnerable 91 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 3: time in a young adult's life. Freshman year of college 92 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 3: is where you think you're an adult, and then now 93 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 3: I look back, I was still a kid. I got 94 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 3: more comfortable with it. Even in this time, I still 95 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 3: wasn't comfortable. But I did a shoot with a Loure magazine. 96 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 3: They wanted to do a spread about psoriasis, and I 97 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 3: remember looking at the final product seeing when the photos 98 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 3: were out, and I was like wow. I think that's 99 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 3: when it kind of became like a moment because I 100 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 3: had people actually reach out to me from hearing my 101 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 3: story and from that spread, and I was like, wow, 102 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:46,160 Speaker 3: this was once my insecurity and I turned into like 103 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:46,919 Speaker 3: an asset. 104 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 2: But that's when my confidence kind of boosted. 105 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 3: Was like, Okay, this is once something I kind of 106 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 3: shied away from. It was scared to talk about, and 107 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 3: because I finally said a word about it, it. 108 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 2: Became a voice of read and for so many other people. 109 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:04,479 Speaker 1: I want to talk about your art because I love 110 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 1: art and you are primarily a painter. Yes, your art 111 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:12,159 Speaker 1: is really really beautiful. How did you become an artist? 112 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:14,479 Speaker 1: When did you realize that was also a calling? 113 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 3: I've always drawn since I was a kid. That was 114 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 3: just a thing for therapeutic reasons. And then around twenty sixteen, 115 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 3: I remember I loved telling this story. 116 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 2: I was in college and my friend had an art class. 117 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 3: Long story short, I did her homework for her. I, 118 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:36,279 Speaker 3: for lack of better words, I did a drawing of 119 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 3: Angelina and Joe. 120 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 2: And I was like, oh wait, really good. 121 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 3: I forgot that same day, I went and maxed out 122 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 3: my credit card and got went to Malmart and just 123 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 3: got a whole bunch of painting supplies. I was like, 124 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 3: you know what, I want to try painting, just for fun, 125 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:53,599 Speaker 3: just for fun. Right. 126 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 2: Moved here to New York around twenty seventeen. A few months. 127 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 3: Later, I thought it was going to be acting and modeling, 128 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:02,720 Speaker 3: like all artists that moved to New York. And then 129 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 3: COVID happened, and then all of my gigs just shut 130 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 3: down for acting and modeling. Honestly, I told myself, I 131 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 3: have all this art supplies, I'm just going to create 132 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 3: until I'm homeless because I don't know what else to do, 133 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 3: there's nothing else to do. But that didn't happen luckily, 134 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 3: and it turned out I just blew up on Instagram 135 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 3: from posting and showing my work and the rest is 136 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 3: history five years later. 137 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 1: Do you work through having a chronic condition in your art? 138 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 1: Does it manifest? 139 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 2: For sure? 140 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 3: I did a series recently and it was dedicated to women, 141 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 3: but the whole idea and the foundation of it was 142 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 3: femininity and the nurturing of femininity and really being vulnerable 143 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 3: because all the women had their backs turned away from 144 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 3: the paintings, and it was kind of like a symbolic 145 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 3: journey of my psoriasis. And I did a whole like 146 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 3: talk about it about how sometimes I just feel like 147 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 3: the world is watching over me and I'm kind of 148 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 3: scared to look back and see it. But instead of 149 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 3: showing it face forward, I showed my back, which is 150 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 3: like my I guess, most vulnerable space of my psoriasis, 151 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 3: and I let the world see that side of me. 152 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 2: So I think it definitely shows up in my work heavily. 153 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 1: No matter how much inner work and advocacy you're doing, 154 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 1: there are still going to be bad days. So how 155 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: do you manage those moments like when you have a 156 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 1: psoriasis flare and maybe your confidence falters a little bit. 157 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 3: I like to be so transparent sometimes when I do 158 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 3: have those moments of major flare ups, I don't want 159 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 3: to be around people. I don't feel as confident, but 160 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 3: I of course still show up because I know like 161 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 3: it's almost like an ode to my younger self. I'm 162 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 3: like talking to him, and he's not always happy or confident. However, 163 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:02,079 Speaker 3: I got to so I'm like, okay, well, we still 164 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 3: have to get up and tackle this day on. Let's 165 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 3: do it together. I recently saw something that kind of 166 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 3: helped me too. It said, when you listen to a 167 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 3: love song for now on sing it as if you're 168 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:15,319 Speaker 3: singing it to yourself. 169 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 2: It helps you change the lyrics in the way like. 170 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 3: Oh, you know how usually we listen to us, we 171 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 3: listen to a dell think about our lovers. It's like, no, 172 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 3: go easy on me, go easy on me, like as 173 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 3: me talking to me, go easy on yourself. 174 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: I love this. This ties in also to an aspect 175 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 1: of your self care that I know you've talked about before, 176 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 1: which is that you do things like massages, and you 177 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:47,079 Speaker 1: really really prioritize those gentle ways of taking care of yourself. 178 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 1: What are those moments of calm? What do those do 179 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: for your general well being as well as for your flares. 180 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 3: Stress is a major indicator of a lot of PSORAC 181 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 3: outbreaks and flair ups. Maintaining that stress, which sometimes is 182 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 3: so hard to be like, oh, don't stress, okay. 183 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 1: That phrases like such a stress maker. 184 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 3: Like now I'm stressed, you tell me how to Now 185 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 3: I'm even stressed, even boring the gym nature. I live 186 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:20,439 Speaker 3: by a beautiful park. I love what summertime. The beach 187 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 3: is my best friend. Not only is it my best friend, 188 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 3: is my Pariasi's best friend when it comes to the 189 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 3: dead sea salt and the vitamin D from the sun 190 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 3: where your sunscreen still though, but it does definitely help trying. 191 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 3: And these are my ways. Anybody, everyone out there that's listening, 192 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 3: find your way of calming your brain, whether that is painting, 193 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:48,199 Speaker 3: whether it is drawing, something that also benefits your health, 194 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:50,440 Speaker 3: because there are other ways that you can calm yourself 195 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 3: down that may not benefit your help, but hanging out 196 00:10:53,520 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 3: with friends, laughing, finding ways to find joy in the day. 197 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:02,319 Speaker 2: You're gonna have stressful moments. 198 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:05,719 Speaker 3: Those are never gonna go away, but it's easier for 199 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 3: us as human beings to highlight the stresses over the 200 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 3: enjoyment of life. 201 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 2: Try to reverse that psychology in your brain. 202 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 3: And use the joy as your main factor of the 203 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 3: day versus distress, and that in a way helps your 204 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 3: flare ups so much more than and yes, sty'll go 205 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 3: to your dermerentologists, but I'm telling you mental health is 206 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:28,680 Speaker 3: just as equally important. 207 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:31,839 Speaker 1: For listeners who are newly diagnosed or who are even 208 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: struggling with the idea of having that conversation with maybe 209 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: a physician or a community. What advice do you offer 210 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:42,319 Speaker 1: them about finding and building a community around them that's 211 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: gonna help with all of these mental health issues as 212 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 1: well as, you know, getting their diagnosis. 213 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:53,599 Speaker 3: I think it takes time, but I will say I 214 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 3: don't know, maybe because I'm more in the world of 215 00:11:56,080 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 3: advocacy now. I feel like there's so much out there, 216 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 3: just so much advocacy and research and nonprofit organizations that 217 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 3: are out there. There's so many different avenues now to 218 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 3: find your community in this world. Once you are diagnosed 219 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 3: or like you said, having those symptoms and you're trying 220 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 3: to figure out if you have it. 221 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 2: I think it is best to find those. 222 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:25,719 Speaker 3: Communities to feel seen because at times a lot of 223 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 3: people are scared to talk about it. So your neighbor 224 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 3: might have it, a friend of yours might have it, 225 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 3: but they're too scared to talk about it. 226 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 1: You have built a really incredible platform where you share yourself, 227 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:40,559 Speaker 1: but other people also feel seen and supported, and it's 228 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: also very inspiring. So I'm curious what's next for you. 229 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: Are there new projects and new goals on the horizon, 230 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: both for your advocacy and your art. 231 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:54,079 Speaker 3: So actually next week I will be doing the commit 232 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 3: to kre gala for the National Sorietes Foundation, which I'm 233 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 3: very excited to be volunteering for. As far as art, 234 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 3: I have a few art shows coming up, actually one 235 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 3: next week and in one this Friday. I'm very excited 236 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 3: to share space with different artists. They're both group shows. 237 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 2: I'm just being my usual artistic self. 238 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 3: This is like how I usually roll, and I just 239 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 3: I'm painting and advocating and being visible and sometimes itchy, 240 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 3: sometimes dry. 241 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:30,320 Speaker 1: That's multitasking. We are going to take a quick break 242 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 1: and when we come back, we're actually going to time 243 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 1: travel to the fourteenth century to France to learn the 244 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 1: origins of one of the most famous bodies of water 245 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: in the world, and that is the spring at Laroche, 246 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 1: pose in the rolling countryside of Turin, France. The little 247 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 1: town of Laroche is famous today among dermatologists, but its 248 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 1: renown actually began with a legend. In the fourteenth century. 249 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: A French knight named Bertrand de gue Clan stopped at 250 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:13,839 Speaker 1: a warm spring there to water his horse and himself, 251 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 1: and according to this tale, du gue Clin's horse was 252 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 1: suffering from some sort of serious skin issues. We don't 253 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: know specifically, but the best guess is that it's likely 254 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 1: from toiling under a heavy military saddle for years of battle. 255 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:32,239 Speaker 1: But after falling into the thermal waters, the animal emerged 256 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 1: allegedly fully healed, and word of this miraculous cure spread 257 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 1: very far and wide. So peasants and nobles alike found 258 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 1: this tale pretty compelling. In an age when skin diseases 259 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 1: had absolutely no known cure, any hint of relief was 260 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 1: very precious, so it got a lot of attention, and 261 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: this story became local lore, and it guaranteed that travelers 262 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 1: started to seek out this spring not just to quench 263 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 1: their thirst, but all so to bathe and drink in 264 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 1: hopes of relief. This of course also gets into questions 265 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: of like drinking the water that people are bathing in. 266 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 2: But yeah, we're not another time. 267 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 1: That was a time, you know, we're going to put 268 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 1: that aside. In time, laroche Pose's simple spring actually became 269 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: a pilgrimage site for the afflicted, and it piggybacked on 270 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 1: the very real medieval fascination with this concept of healing waters, 271 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 1: and we are going to talk about that more. By 272 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 1: the seventeenth century, though, the spring's fame had captured the 273 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: interest even of very well established and respected physicians. The 274 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 1: French royal doctor Pierre Milon, who treated kings Henry the 275 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 1: fourth and Louis the thirteenth, visited laroche Pose to analyze 276 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 1: its waters and lo and behold. Milon found that the 277 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 1: water was rich in selenium minerals and trace elements known 278 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 1: to soothe the skin. So he wrote up this report 279 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 1: on this and the thermal spring waters at laroche Pose. 280 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 1: That's the real deal. He was absolutely right. They are 281 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: indeed naturally high in selenium, mineral salts and trace elements. 282 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 1: That will help soothe and heal the skin. So this 283 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 1: medical cosign, having a doctor actually say no, this water's 284 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: legit was very important because then the royal court and 285 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 1: other medical elite started to see this spring not just 286 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: as a folk tale but as a potential actual therapy. 287 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: Over the sixteen hundreds and seventeen hundreds, the reputation of 288 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: laroche Pose's waters kept growing in France. It attracted patients 289 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 1: for treatment of everything from egzma, psoriasis, and other skin conditions. 290 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: Here's the thing we talked about this in season one. 291 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: At the time, everything that looked to anybody unpleasant on 292 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: somebody's skin kind of went under the umbrella of leprosy 293 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 1: or it was assumed to be the work of bad 294 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 1: humors or in some cases, even evil spirits. Can you 295 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 1: imagine if someone told fifth grade ye, I'm sorry, you 296 00:16:57,560 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 1: have an evil spirit. 297 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, we get like not to that degree, but I say, oh, 298 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 3: it's contagious or right, or like, uh does it hurt? 299 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 3: And of course it was just kids being kids out 300 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 3: of curiosity like oh, I'm curious what that is. But 301 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:14,879 Speaker 3: also as a kid you take that as bullying, like 302 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 3: I don't know, this is either leave me alone. 303 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:20,120 Speaker 1: Maybe you should have told them you had an evil spirit. Maybe, 304 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:23,119 Speaker 1: And it will get you if you don't leave you alone. 305 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:24,360 Speaker 2: If you don't leave me alone. 306 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 1: Today, of course, we know that psoriasis is actually an 307 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: autoimmune condition, and external treatments, whether that's mineral springs, moisturizer, 308 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 1: anything topical, it's not going to get to the root 309 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: of the flare ups. But I'm sure De Kwan that 310 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:42,479 Speaker 1: you can relate to people, especially when they don't understand 311 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 1: what's going on, just on the hunt for a miracle cure. 312 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 2: Of course, not necessarily just with psoriasis, like we all. 313 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 3: Had our acne moments, our teenage acne you know, yea eras, 314 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:57,360 Speaker 3: even adult acne eras, where it's just like, Okay, I'm 315 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:00,479 Speaker 3: going to try everything under the sun, no point intending, Yeah, 316 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 3: to really try to cure this bad boy and get 317 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 3: it out the way. 318 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:07,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're about to get to the most dramatic chapter 319 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 1: of laroche Pose's history that happened around the turn of 320 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: the nineteenth century. And that's because when he was returning 321 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: from his Egyptian campaign in the late seventeen nineties, General 322 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:22,919 Speaker 1: Napoleon Bonaparte was actually really interested in using these waters 323 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 1: in a more practical way, so he actually assigned doctors 324 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 1: to be there all the time. He made sure it 325 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 1: was well supplied. And this was also that veterans that 326 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: had stubborn wounds or rashes or other skin problems after 327 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:40,160 Speaker 1: the campaign could go bathe in this spring. And then 328 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 1: almost one hundred years later, in eighteen ninety seven, now 329 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:46,160 Speaker 1: we're getting kind of into more modern stuff, the French 330 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 1: Academy of Medicine formally recognized laroche Pose's reputation and in 331 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:54,440 Speaker 1: nineteen oh five they opened the first thermal center there 332 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:58,399 Speaker 1: dedicated to skin disorders. You have spent time in France, 333 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 1: did you know about laroche Pose and this potential? 334 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 2: I knew about the brand of skincare. 335 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:06,680 Speaker 3: I never knew this history behind the brand itself, which 336 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 3: is kind of beautiful. 337 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 1: This also brings up the question of like why people 338 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 1: believe so strongly in this idea of healing waters in 339 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 1: medieval Europe, So for a long time, mineral springs and 340 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 1: thermal baths have been prized for health benefits, particularly skin health. Right, 341 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: we know that ancient Greeks and Romans bathed in sulfurous 342 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:30,400 Speaker 1: springs to treat things like skin ulcers and arthritis, and 343 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 1: then in Europe bathhouses were common. I am sure you 344 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 1: have heard this right. We've all heard the people didn't 345 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 1: bathe in the Middle Ages thing. Mm hmm, Yeah, that's 346 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: not true. There are writings that show that people in 347 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 1: the Middle Ages actually loved bath time. 348 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 2: So that's why I love the beach so much. 349 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, just like literally, like summertime is when my skin 350 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:54,400 Speaker 3: flourished the best, because I'm always. 351 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 2: Out of beach. I haven't been yet. 352 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 1: We'll hurry this up so you can dart out the door. 353 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 1: There is a document called the regemen sanatata si learntanum. 354 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:05,080 Speaker 3: Say that three times fast if you paid me. 355 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 1: That was an eleventh to twelfth century medical poem, and 356 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:12,880 Speaker 1: it actually instructs people that they should do daily washing 357 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:16,439 Speaker 1: and bathing as part of maintaining well being. So this 358 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 1: was not a mystery to anybody in the Middle Ages. 359 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 1: In the thirteenth century, there were texts like Peter of 360 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 1: Abulis de balnat Pucciolanis. This was a lavish series of 361 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 1: odes to Italian bath spas, showing nobles and commoners soaking 362 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: and steam bathing, drinking the waters, carrying them off in 363 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:40,120 Speaker 1: barrels for home use. There's plenty of folklore where such 364 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:43,880 Speaker 1: springs are tied to the idea of youth and renewal. 365 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 1: This gets into art because we've seen a lot of 366 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:49,880 Speaker 1: medieval art depictions of pilgrims looking for the fountain of youth, 367 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 1: and it's all part of this bigger idea that humans 368 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:57,439 Speaker 1: collectively seem to have that water is restorative for the body. 369 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 1: You have featured water, I know in an number of 370 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:03,440 Speaker 1: your paintings. You have a series called the Water Bearer series. 371 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: You did a Josephine Baker series that has water in 372 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:10,879 Speaker 1: some of the paintings. Was that a conscious choice related 373 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 1: to this idea of water and both the joy and 374 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 1: healing it brings you. I mean, when you talk about 375 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 1: the beach, it's almost spiritual, how much you love it. 376 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 3: The overall foundation of The Water Bearer was about the 377 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 3: vulnerability of emotions from a man through tapping into his 378 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 3: masculinity in femininity through ballet through water. And I always 379 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 3: said ballet as art former you have to be very 380 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,679 Speaker 3: specific with the poses, but freeing of the body, so 381 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:39,680 Speaker 3: it's kind of the same thing with being in the water. 382 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:43,639 Speaker 3: The water symbolized the emotions of vulnerability. Underwater was a 383 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 3: subconscious mind, and above water in the series was the 384 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 3: conscious mind of just tapping into that vulnerability, and during 385 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:54,160 Speaker 3: that time my own journey of trying to tap into 386 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 3: my own vulnerability and being grounded. I was at the 387 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:00,040 Speaker 3: beach the entire time during that series. Some of the 388 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 3: pieces have actual sand in rocks embedded in the paintings 389 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 3: from my beach journeys. So yes, water is like, that's 390 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:15,680 Speaker 3: my it's my grounding. I mean me myself as an aquarius. 391 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 3: We are air signs, but we are water bearers. 392 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 1: I love it. It's so present in all of your art. 393 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:24,399 Speaker 1: It's really beautiful. I also want to talk about the 394 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:27,679 Speaker 1: practice of what's called balneotherapy, which is really just thermal 395 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:31,680 Speaker 1: bath therapy, because this is also part of human history. 396 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 1: It's been documented for thousands of years. Laroche Pose was 397 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 1: just one node in this global network of cure seekers, 398 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 1: so a place where legend met the earliest pieces of science. 399 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 1: Regarding spa medicine. We have talked a little bit about 400 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,359 Speaker 1: this idea of stigma, and part of why baths like 401 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: laroche Pose really offered a beacon of hope is the 402 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 1: heavy stigma historically attached to skin diseases, So in past eras, 403 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:03,640 Speaker 1: any visible skin conditions, whether it was anything like sorias's 404 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 1: all the way to leprosy, were deeply misunderstood and feared. 405 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:12,400 Speaker 1: That's not entirely historical. Long before doctors distinguished soriasis as 406 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 1: a separate disease, people that had it were often conflated 407 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 1: with lepers or as you mentioned in talking about fifth 408 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,920 Speaker 1: grade kids, they were assumed to be unclean or have 409 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,920 Speaker 1: some sort of contagion issue. We talked about this also 410 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,680 Speaker 1: in season one. In some societies, people with chronic rashes 411 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 1: were even forced to carry bells or wear special garments 412 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 1: to warn others about their perceived contagion. And of course 413 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 1: this only compounds people's misery. Can you imagine having to 414 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:42,920 Speaker 1: carry a bell around so people knew you were having 415 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:43,439 Speaker 1: a flare? 416 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:45,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's crazy. It's even here. 417 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, Hi, stay away from me, Stay away from me. 418 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 2: You know what. 419 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:53,120 Speaker 3: I would use that bell for may the whole time 420 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 3: I don't have a flare up. I was like, wait, 421 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:56,640 Speaker 3: hold on. When I said that, it's like wait bingo. 422 00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:58,639 Speaker 3: I would use it whole time I didn't have a 423 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 3: flare up, just like this leave me alone today, I'll 424 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:01,880 Speaker 3: leave me alone Bill. 425 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 1: A spa that could potentially cure someone, of course, held 426 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:11,119 Speaker 1: tremendous cultural weight. We've talked about how for years, centuries 427 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:15,679 Speaker 1: this persisted. This idea of relief from itching, scaling, or 428 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 1: disfigurement also could mean a return to normal life and society. 429 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:23,639 Speaker 1: That too, is not just historical right, and that is 430 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,680 Speaker 1: also why advocacy is so important today. People still need 431 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 1: to learn these lessons, and at the town of Laroche Pose, 432 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: the very idea of a horse's rash clearing in minutes 433 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 1: had tapped into this deep longing for normalcy, and over 434 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 1: the centuries, spa doctors often promised patients at least a respite, 435 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 1: if not a cure, and indeed, once clinical dermatology emerged 436 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 1: in the nineteenth century, conditions like psoriasis started to be 437 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:56,439 Speaker 1: identified and treated scientifically, but there were generations where people 438 00:24:56,480 --> 00:25:00,399 Speaker 1: place their faith in natural remedies wherever they could. Street 439 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:04,639 Speaker 1: is of course full of wild and perhaps earnest, but 440 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 1: misguided cures for skin conditions. Medieval and ancient texts even 441 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 1: include advice for everything from literal snake oil to mud poultices. 442 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: The Egyptians I don't know if you've ever heard this 443 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 1: made poultices that were made from lizard blood, crushed mice, 444 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,880 Speaker 1: and even animal dung to dream sores. 445 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 2: Oh no, and here that one listen. 446 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 1: Some of these ingredients do have antimicrobial properties. 447 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 2: But like crowd pass, I say yeah, I'm okay. 448 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 1: Yeah. So when lavroche pose spring offered this option that 449 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:45,360 Speaker 1: was comparatively benign, that was a huge moment and its 450 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 1: value to the French people and people seeking a little 451 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 1: spa time with an ancient pedigree that all remained strong 452 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:56,119 Speaker 1: to this day. By decree of the Council of State 453 00:25:56,359 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 1: in France on August third, twenty eighteen, the thermal resource 454 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 1: of laroche Pose was officially declared a public utility. So 455 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 1: that is a designation that will safeguard that spring going 456 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 1: forward for medical and therapeutic use. That is a really 457 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:15,639 Speaker 1: strong affirmation in our era of high tech medicine. This 458 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 1: medieval spring that healed a warhorse still has something to 459 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 1: offer modern science and suffering skin. Laroche Pose is nestled 460 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:27,360 Speaker 1: in this really beautiful quiet corner of Nouvelle Aquitaine. It's 461 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:31,400 Speaker 1: in western central France, and the spot offers medical and 462 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 1: wellness focused baleotherapy treatments using the town's naturally selenium rich water. 463 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 1: It still bubbles up from that same exact spring that 464 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:44,400 Speaker 1: legendarily cured that horse whose name in my heart is clumsy. 465 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 1: We have talked already about the skincare brand laroche Pose, 466 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 1: and their ties actually go way deeper than just sharing 467 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:55,719 Speaker 1: this name. Laroche Pose, La Bretois dermatol Jique was founded 468 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy five by a French pharmacist named Rene Leve, 469 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 1: and in nineteen eighty nine Laureal acquired laroche Pose A 470 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,919 Speaker 1: and this brand is of course recognized worldwide. As the 471 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 1: brand states their water remains quote a core ingredient in 472 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 1: most of our products and central to our story. So today, 473 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 1: if you are a guest at the thermal center, you 474 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 1: can undergo personalized programs that might include things like high 475 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 1: pressure showers, mineral rich compresses, soothing sprays, immersion bads. The 476 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 1: atmosphere is a little bit more of a clinic than 477 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 1: an indulgent spa experience, but in the best way you 478 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 1: can combine dermatological care with healing in this natural, serene 479 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 1: and pastoral setting. It's one of the few places in 480 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 1: the world that has that combination for people that are 481 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 1: more focused on relaxation than a treatment. There is also 482 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 1: everything you would expect in a high end spot, so 483 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:57,439 Speaker 1: you can get facials, body wraps, massages, all infused with 484 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 1: that signature magical thermal water. And it's housed in this 485 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,119 Speaker 1: beautiful tranquil space, in the midst of gardens and walking paths. 486 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 1: It's really lovely and peaceful. This town has. I mean, 487 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 1: this town is like picturesque. It's it's got cafes, there's 488 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,680 Speaker 1: a romanesque church. Listen, if you want to party a little, 489 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 1: there's a little casino. 490 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:17,920 Speaker 2: I sort of went when I was there. 491 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,679 Speaker 1: You could go play a round of golf. Right, the 492 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 1: water is still the draw, but there is this whole 493 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 1: cute little town town that you could just go have 494 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 1: a lovely time in. Visitors often describe going there as 495 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:34,399 Speaker 1: being both physically and emotionally restorative, so not just a 496 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,159 Speaker 1: retreat for the skin, but for the self. And so 497 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 1: in this way, this town, this little, once very quiet town, 498 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 1: continues to fulfill its oldest promise, not to erase every symptom, 499 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 1: but to offer relief and respite and perhaps even a 500 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 1: little hope. So let's book it. 501 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 2: I'm ready now, I'm ready to go. 502 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. I think we can all relate to this idea 503 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 1: of people wanting to make a pilgrimage to a magical spring. 504 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 1: We're ready to, you know, head out to the airport. 505 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 1: Anytime you're feeling ill, whether it's with a skin condition 506 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 1: or anything, especially if it's persistent, the proclivity is to 507 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 1: go to great lengths to give yourself some relief. And 508 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 1: I know even today the journey to getting treatment for 509 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 1: sariasis can actually be a long and arduous one. How 510 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 1: have you found that you've needed to advocate for yourself 511 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,480 Speaker 1: in regards to getting ongoing care for your piasis? 512 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 3: They're hoops, definitely, But I will say I am blessed 513 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 3: and lucky that I have surrounded myself with people that 514 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 3: if I didn't know the answer, they knew where to 515 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 3: find the answer. 516 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 2: It's all about community. 517 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 3: I think it's definitely best to try to ask someone 518 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 3: for help when it comes to that if you can't 519 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 3: find it yourself. 520 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 1: You make a great point about how community provides maps 521 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 1: essentially right there, no matter what you're dealing with, someone 522 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 1: out there has dealt with the same thing, and they 523 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 1: can probably be a guide to you, which is important 524 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 1: to remember, especially when you're dealing with something that does 525 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 1: make you feel rather isolated and alone. So thank you 526 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 1: for making that point. Dea Kon. We usually ask a 527 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 1: couple of questions at the end of every episode. First, 528 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 1: is I want to know from your perspective, what suggestions 529 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 1: do you have for people who maybe don't have psoriasis themselves, 530 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 1: but they love someone who does and they want to 531 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 1: be supportive and helpful. 532 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 3: I mean, it's that about what you say, it's how 533 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 3: you say it. So in the midst of a curiosity, 534 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 3: ask yourself, because this question, in this certain type of 535 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 3: tone or the way I word it, potentially hurt the 536 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 3: person I'm curious about. 537 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 2: I think it's very important to know that person's. 538 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 3: Language overall with their disorder and understand that, especially if 539 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 3: you see that they're also trying to figure it out, 540 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 3: give them some like space and grace, but also some 541 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 3: love because they're already not probably feeling it in that 542 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 3: moment with it themselves. 543 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 1: I think that's beautiful. And then, last, but not least, 544 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 1: if you could send one message to any of our 545 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 1: listeners who might be grappling with their own diagnosis and 546 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 1: seeking out those guideposts. What would it be? 547 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 3: I always tell people you are your longest and your 548 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 3: strongest relationship, so therefore love on you first, because if 549 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 3: you a cup is not filled, you can't pour to 550 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 3: someone else. 551 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 1: So wise, dick onom thank you so much for this. 552 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 1: This has been really, really lovely. 553 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 2: Thank you. 554 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 3: I really appreciate it, and I love that history lesson. 555 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, my brain is overstimulated in the best way. 556 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 2: Love it. 557 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 1: Our Skin is hosted by myself, Holly Frye, and executive 558 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:54,080 Speaker 1: produced and engineered by Ryan Martz. 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