Speaker 1: I mean my dad. He used to play a game
Speaker 1: with me where he would kind of like lie and
Speaker 1: wait like an ambush in the hallways in our house,
Speaker 1: out a corner in our house. This sounds like abuse.
Speaker 1: I gotta say it was not amused. We have a
Speaker 1: good relationship. He's a good man. But he would I
Speaker 1: was a kid, and he would pop out and just
Speaker 1: like incapacitating it some way and be like how do
Speaker 1: you get out of it? And you always got hair,
Speaker 1: so I love that so much, and just popping around
Speaker 1: a corner and be like, have been ready to be ready?
Speaker 1: Now you thought it was always some real like you know,
Speaker 1: behind the Dubno's pizza style like karate moves he was
Speaker 1: teaching me they were not real karate because then when
Speaker 1: I did go to a real karate class, tried to
Speaker 1: show them my quote foot self defense, they were like,
Speaker 1: what is this? Gett of ship? It's like, you can't
Speaker 1: just buy the man's inner, die, Tony, that's not karate.
Speaker 1: That's just the thing your daddy said to dude. That's
Speaker 1: just street fighting from the sixth Days, Johnny chips in
Speaker 1: your racist money intern stuff. You can't tell me, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: there it is. There it is. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome
Speaker 1: to another phenomenal episode of My Mama Told Me, the
Speaker 1: podcast where we've died deep, deep, deep into the pockets
Speaker 1: of black conspiracy theories and we work to finally find
Speaker 1: out Oprah's favorite flavor of orphan blood. Which orphan does
Speaker 1: she like to drink the most? Personally, I think she
Speaker 1: likes Icelandic orphan blood. That would be my guest. I know,
Speaker 1: I know you're gonna say, well, Oprah clearly hates the
Speaker 1: black community. She would obviously drink the blood of small
Speaker 1: black children where she does. But the truth is Oprah
Speaker 1: wants something excited. She wants to taste that rare blood.
Speaker 1: And there's nothing rarer than a little Icelandic baby without
Speaker 1: a family. That's what Oprah's into. That's the rumor I'm spreading. Hey,
Speaker 1: it's me. It's your host, lenksne Kerry. As always, I
Speaker 1: don't know why I talked like this. It's a complicated
Speaker 1: algorithm that turned me into the person I am today.
Speaker 1: But you know who's not a trash person, You know
Speaker 1: who doesn't talk like an insane person constantly. It's my
Speaker 1: guest today, She's fantastic. You know her from Space Force,
Speaker 1: you know her from Star Trek, Lower Decks, you know
Speaker 1: her from She basically has a monopoly on all black
Speaker 1: ladies space stuff. At this point, she's hilarious. You love her,
Speaker 1: you know her. Give it up for Tawny Newsom. Everybody. Yes,
Speaker 1: you're they're here. They adore you. How are you showed up?
Speaker 1: I'm good, I'm good. That's I mean, that's the opposite
Speaker 1: of what I told you what I logged into the
Speaker 1: zoom off Mike, I think I said, And then I'm good.
Speaker 1: You turned it up for the audience you are like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're a completely different person behind the scenes. You got
Speaker 1: a real ellen degenerous vibe about you at this point,
Speaker 1: given the shift. If you but I flip it, I'm
Speaker 1: a monster for everything public facing and then in private
Speaker 1: amount kin sure, so shut the funk up, Shut the
Speaker 1: funk up, and watch me dance real mad to this music.
Speaker 1: Speaking of music, this theme song is perfect, perfect, Oh
Speaker 1: thank you so much. It was done by a hilarious
Speaker 1: comedian and very talented man. I always say he's the
Speaker 1: most talented person I know, this guy, Nick Chambers, who
Speaker 1: was a comedian out in New York Now and I
Speaker 1: resent him very much for having so many gifts. He
Speaker 1: did the artwork for our show, he did the music
Speaker 1: for our show, and he has all the hatred that's
Speaker 1: bubbling in my heart for the skills it I don't have. Sure,
Speaker 1: but it's good to have someone like that in your
Speaker 1: corner rather than against you. Sure, exactly. He is like
Speaker 1: a member of the Expendables for me, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, He's my Sylvester Stallone if you will, m hm,
Speaker 1: I've heard of that movie. It's a movie, it's it's
Speaker 1: three movies, it's a it's a powerful franchise at this point. Wow,
Speaker 1: I have been asleep on that. I'm sorry. I didn't
Speaker 1: know what that was. And to be honest, you didn't
Speaker 1: come here to talk expendables. That's a different podcast. Would
Speaker 1: turn that down. I can't. I'm busy. I can't do it.
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, just because I didn't know, not because
Speaker 1: I have anything against it. I don't know it. Sure,
Speaker 1: good for you for having that level of self control
Speaker 1: where you're like, I'm gonna step out of this one. Guys,
Speaker 1: this isn't for me. I just signed up and been like, yeah,
Speaker 1: let's talk. I don't know I'll bet Yeah, I'm excited
Speaker 1: to get an excited feels like almost the wrong phrasing here,
Speaker 1: But I am eager to get into the conspiracy theory
Speaker 1: that you sent our way, because it I would say,
Speaker 1: it's a pretty heavy one. It's a sturdy conspiracy theory
Speaker 1: to be digging into. But you said, my mama told
Speaker 1: me breath control trials in Africa are being used for masterialization.
Speaker 1: It is heavy. Hearing it out loud feels different than
Speaker 1: when you just type some stuff and go, hey, can
Speaker 1: we talk about this. Hearing it out loud, I'm like,
Speaker 1: birth control, child sterilization, Africa. These are big words, these
Speaker 1: are big ideas. This is a deep ship we're talking about. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So this one walks the line of like, I don't
Speaker 1: know how much conspiracy theory it really is just or
Speaker 1: is it just like a little bit of extrapolation on facts,
Speaker 1: because the facts are that they did, you know, test
Speaker 1: drugs like depo provera with women my age might know,
Speaker 1: as like the birth control shot, which was available I
Speaker 1: think in the nineties. I don't know they tested that
Speaker 1: on women in then called Rhodesia, I guess Zimbabwe in
Speaker 1: the seventies and the women were coerced into taking it,
Speaker 1: you know, they were asked to take it in exchange
Speaker 1: for things they needed like food and water, medical supplies
Speaker 1: and stuff. So it wasn't you know, the trials weren't
Speaker 1: on the up and up to say the least. And
Speaker 1: then there was also there was the other one nor plant.
Speaker 1: They used to test that out on women, but you know,
Speaker 1: all these women had these massive side effects and a
Speaker 1: lot of women became sterile. And it's not that far
Speaker 1: of a job to be like hm hmm. So this
Speaker 1: is a whole continent where for centuries missionaries and well
Speaker 1: meaning whites have been going down there and being like, oh,
Speaker 1: the African people, such a vibrant people, you know, the
Speaker 1: whole monolith, the whole continent. What a vibrant people. But
Speaker 1: if they could only control their population. They can't even
Speaker 1: feed these children, you know, and so there's we could
Speaker 1: just if we could just get these savages too, maybe
Speaker 1: produce a little less because they make they make such
Speaker 1: beautiful baskets, Just fewer children. Let's sneak some ship into
Speaker 1: their morning breakfast, you know, like it's not that far fetched.
Speaker 1: I have none. So this is a reckless theory. No,
Speaker 1: and and let's let's start right from where you started,
Speaker 1: right from the beginning. I think. I think when I
Speaker 1: originally read your conspiracy theory, I was like, Okay, this
Speaker 1: is just true. This is just like and again my
Speaker 1: brain is filled with nonsense. So I immediately was like, fact,
Speaker 1: what are we doing? This is she doesn't know how
Speaker 1: conspiracy theories were, but I do think that to your point,
Speaker 1: it sort of is one of those things that is
Speaker 1: hedging both truth and conspiracy theory that like, the truth
Speaker 1: is that these trials are a hundred percent real. The
Speaker 1: question is what was the intention behind these trials? Was it,
Speaker 1: in fact, for popular lation control or was it just like, oh,
Speaker 1: y'all were trying some stuff out and it went awry, right,
Speaker 1: You're just trying some ship out on people. You felt
Speaker 1: like we're expendable basically, which is sinister in and of itself,
Speaker 1: And that is definitely what happened. So even the truth
Speaker 1: is real, dark and fucked up, You're you're welcome for
Speaker 1: me picking this one. And the consiracy theory is like
Speaker 1: fucking you know, villainous and sinister. Yeah, I mean, I
Speaker 1: just fully believe it. I feel like I don't even
Speaker 1: need This is one of those dangerous ones where I'm
Speaker 1: just like, I don't even need proof. I hear it.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, that's what they're doing. They're trying to
Speaker 1: kill us all. And that's the hard ones to sort
Speaker 1: of wrestle with, right is Like even if in some
Speaker 1: conversation with the person they were like, well, actually, this
Speaker 1: is the true thing behind what you're saying, or here's
Speaker 1: some facts you may not have considered, there's still a
Speaker 1: part of you that's like, no, my fucker, I know
Speaker 1: I You can try to trick me all you want
Speaker 1: into thinking that, Like white people had a more or
Speaker 1: ground in their approach to giving drugs to people who
Speaker 1: didn't realize they were taking these kinds of drugs or
Speaker 1: this severe of a drug. But now you know what
Speaker 1: you were doing. You know what you're doing because this
Speaker 1: ship was like the seventies, Like, yes, it's been going
Speaker 1: on long before that, but this specific birth control ship,
Speaker 1: this is the seventies. You know where else you could
Speaker 1: have tested out your brand new fangled birth control drug, Boston, bitch,
Speaker 1: Like try it out in Massachusetts and see how women do?
Speaker 1: You got this white ass state Maine filled with with
Speaker 1: twothless Hillbillies. You can test it on them. Shout out
Speaker 1: to Maine. My bad, I didn't realize that's where your
Speaker 1: fan base was located. Oh yeah, I get a lot
Speaker 1: of a lot of hits and streams from Maine. No,
Speaker 1: but truly, truly, if it's all innocent, there's people everywhere
Speaker 1: you could get white women from. You know, all kinds
Speaker 1: of places, you get all kinds of colors of women.
Speaker 1: You don't have to go to a whole last continent
Speaker 1: that that has been tested on for centuries. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but this is the sort of thing that like makes
Speaker 1: me wary of trying out anything, Like, yeah, the COVID
Speaker 1: vaccine trot. No, no, I'm waiting like that. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: stop you right there. That's how they get you. I'm terrified.
Speaker 1: I'll be honest, I'm terrified of that vaccine. And not
Speaker 1: because I think to your point. I think I want
Speaker 1: to take it right, like I want to be free
Speaker 1: of whatever this is. Boy, would I love to get
Speaker 1: back to doing stand up and being out in the
Speaker 1: world and like going to clubs and parties with my
Speaker 1: friends and ship. But at the same time, there is
Speaker 1: just too much history of manipulation with falsey drugs for
Speaker 1: me to feel confident that putting this needle in my
Speaker 1: body is just gonna be an a okay decision. Yea yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, especially with those reports of them giving ship
Speaker 1: for free to all the hbc U s, It's like,
Speaker 1: this is not for this is not free. Everyone be suspicious,
Speaker 1: be suspicious. Why are you get all these black college
Speaker 1: students again, Boston. There's a lot of calls Boston, right,
Speaker 1: you don't have to give it to the Harvard kids,
Speaker 1: get to the lesser colleges that you've got all these
Speaker 1: new masses around there that you could clearly give this
Speaker 1: drug to. Now, Leason, you keep taking what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: and you kissed that I'm gonna get in true. Listen,
Speaker 1: I think what Dawny is trying to say is give
Speaker 1: it to the white pores. Wait wait, wait, wait wait
Speaker 1: now wait. She's being very clear and I'm not manipulating
Speaker 1: this at all. She is articulating herself perfectly. I am
Speaker 1: merely backing her up. I'm a pip, She's glad it's night.
Speaker 1: This is this is a clear conversation. Wait, were you
Speaker 1: really a pip? Oh? In the no I was for
Speaker 1: our listeners. We were in Sherman Showcase, a wonderful show
Speaker 1: on Hulu. Now I have seen Hulu and you play
Speaker 1: Diana Raw Yes, you were smoking right. I was Smokey Robinson,
Speaker 1: that's right, perfect. And I was constantly wavering between making
Speaker 1: a full commitment to a smokey Robinson voice or just
Speaker 1: letting my regular voice be because you know, when you're
Speaker 1: doing a character, it's like, Okay, am I gonna be
Speaker 1: fully in the character and do like a Jay Pharaoh impression?
Speaker 1: Or am I just gonna like be funny by my
Speaker 1: you know, in my own voice as is. I think
Speaker 1: we were all like one foot in and out of
Speaker 1: the full commitment on that. I will say I was
Speaker 1: truly stunned in the most impressed possible way with your
Speaker 1: Diana Ross impression. It felt, oh, thank you, I feel
Speaker 1: like the same thing as you. I was like doing
Speaker 1: the breathy voice and the whispy walk, and then every
Speaker 1: now and then I'd just be like, man, this, I
Speaker 1: was like, Oh, that's that's just me a little boy. Okay.
Speaker 1: Talk to me about where you first became aware of
Speaker 1: this conspiracy theory. When did this first come to your world?
Speaker 1: If you will. So I was in college in Chicago
Speaker 1: and I didn't have any money and I didn't have
Speaker 1: any health insurance, and I needed to go for my
Speaker 1: yearly like pops mirror, and so I went to this
Speaker 1: really cool clinic. I don't know if they're still in business,
Speaker 1: but they were called the Chicago Women's Health Center, and
Speaker 1: everybody on campus knew about them because you could go
Speaker 1: and they had like a sliding scale office visit, so
Speaker 1: you could show up and pay zero dollars, you could
Speaker 1: pay forty dollars whatever, and everyone, Yeah, it was a
Speaker 1: really cool resource. I used them a lot when I
Speaker 1: didn't have insurance. They would sit there with you for
Speaker 1: an hour and talk to Every appointment was like an hour,
Speaker 1: I feel like, and they would talk to you about
Speaker 1: all your birth control options. They would talk to you
Speaker 1: about health stuff. They just like took away the stigma
Speaker 1: about talking about those things. So I went to them
Speaker 1: and I was looking for I wasn't even looking for
Speaker 1: birth control, but they were like, oh, well, if you're active,
Speaker 1: do you want to get on some? And I was
Speaker 1: like sure, I've never really taken it before. And they
Speaker 1: were like, well, why don't you research some? And come back.
Speaker 1: So I did like super cursory search and came back,
Speaker 1: and I think I maybe I pitched you're doing one
Speaker 1: of the shots, like the Depa Privera or whatever it's
Speaker 1: later incarnations. You went in and you're like, give me
Speaker 1: the most dangerous one, please. Yeah, truly, because I think
Speaker 1: and I might be mixing them up. It's been a
Speaker 1: long time since I've thought about these old school like
Speaker 1: birth control methods, but I think that was the one
Speaker 1: that you just took the shot like three or four
Speaker 1: times a year, and you didn't get a cycle, you
Speaker 1: didn't have a period. And so I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I want that. I want my life to stop being
Speaker 1: sucked up once a month. And I'm trying to be
Speaker 1: a gymnast from now long. Let's do let's do that
Speaker 1: one exactly, just like get me on the high beam. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But so this woman like straight up sat me down
Speaker 1: and was like, let me tell you the shady pass
Speaker 1: with this stuff, and like walked me through everything. And
Speaker 1: I thought, I have never heard a healthcare provider. I'm
Speaker 1: sure they're great doctors who do that now, but I've
Speaker 1: never heard a healthcare provider straight up be like, okay,
Speaker 1: you don't want this drug, and it's for like social political,
Speaker 1: fucked up reasons as opposed to just like maybe try
Speaker 1: tricycle instead, it's better for your height and weight or whatever.
Speaker 1: Then I was like, oh, ship this and they're doing
Speaker 1: it to black people. And then I think I just
Speaker 1: extrapolated from there or like went down a YouTube rabbit
Speaker 1: hole or something. I'm sure, right, I don't think I've
Speaker 1: ever had a medical professional do that either, Like, that's
Speaker 1: a pretty bold choice on their end to be like, yo,
Speaker 1: not only is this potentially dangerous to your body, but
Speaker 1: also think about all these people that they tested it
Speaker 1: on or the ways that this drug came to be.
Speaker 1: That's not a conversation that I think medical professionals are
Speaker 1: are wanting to have. Certainly, even having, they're probably not
Speaker 1: supposed to do that. I mean, like I don't know
Speaker 1: how like pharma sales works and ship, but like I
Speaker 1: guess because they were like a hippie free clinic, they
Speaker 1: could do whatever they wanted. But I do love the
Speaker 1: idea that there's some dude from Big Farmer Lie waiting
Speaker 1: in her office after she talks to you, just like Diane,
Speaker 1: I heard what you said in there she's like, I
Speaker 1: can't help myself. I gotta tell them about it. What
Speaker 1: did we talk about, Diane? Oh? Sorry, like that that
Speaker 1: guy hangs out in her office just waiting to scolder.
Speaker 1: He's like, you told him our big secret again, Diane. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's not like a good sinister dude. He's just like
Speaker 1: a clumsy boss who's like, come on, you said you
Speaker 1: wouldn't tell. Now he's sweet. I think, yeah, he's a
Speaker 1: good Honestly, he's a good guy except for the fact
Speaker 1: that he works for a billion dollar murder corporation. Everything
Speaker 1: else about him is he's solid. Dude. Okay, so you
Speaker 1: hear this, You go to this office, she breaks it
Speaker 1: all down for you, and obviously you say, okay, cool,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna take that one. Do you then go
Speaker 1: back and like find yourself in like a YouTube uh
Speaker 1: rabbit hole where you're like discovering all this truth? Are
Speaker 1: you just like, Okay, that's information, and now I'm going
Speaker 1: to go about my day. I'm struggling to remember because
Speaker 1: this was probably like two thousand four is a long
Speaker 1: time ago, but I think I probably heard enough to
Speaker 1: be like, oh, they tested on people and that's fucked up.
Speaker 1: I probably went one step further with the Google into
Speaker 1: like you know, hotel tree, the vent diagram of like
Speaker 1: conspiracy theories that also aligns with like white women kind
Speaker 1: of u c l A reproductive health hippie ladies can
Speaker 1: sometimes get very very like a one circle. And yeah,
Speaker 1: there's there's probably a crossover between Dr Umar Johnson and
Speaker 1: goog somewhere there's like a vent diagram where they meet.
Speaker 1: You know, for sure there's all a little bit of
Speaker 1: like pseudo science, but it's because someone there's an oppressor,
Speaker 1: you know. So yeah, I think I went one are
Speaker 1: deep and saw you know, got to the point of
Speaker 1: like and they're doing this intentionally in order to sterilize
Speaker 1: and control the population. And I just went, yeah, that's truth,
Speaker 1: and I just accepted it as truth as though that
Speaker 1: medical professional had told me that part when she definitely
Speaker 1: did not. I got you. That's where you were like,
Speaker 1: I got this doctor. Yeah, I'll take it from here.
Speaker 1: I got enough information to now make some much bigger
Speaker 1: conclusions from everything that you've said. Absolutely, and I'm sure
Speaker 1: I've passed it off on on a podcast or something,
Speaker 1: just like it's accepted fact. Like I think the line
Speaker 1: for me got blurred long ago, and it's probably not
Speaker 1: until we decided to talk about this that I really
Speaker 1: thought about, like, wait, what's the part that I actually heard,
Speaker 1: And what's the part that I like read in comments
Speaker 1: on like a doctor. That doctor wasn't irresponsible at all.
Speaker 1: It was me. I was the monster in this whole story. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: I guess I did hand out flyers saying in fact,
Speaker 1: I did start my campus this anti birth control organization,
Speaker 1: But otherwise I think I handled it pretty well. And
Speaker 1: see that is where it goes full hotep right is
Speaker 1: where it's like, then it becomes don't take any birth
Speaker 1: control because it's all here to sterilize you with all
Speaker 1: the white man trying to sterilize Black women just fully.
Speaker 1: Then goes away from like feminism and like body autonomy
Speaker 1: to have like men telling us not to take birth
Speaker 1: control because of like made up race ship. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you've ever heard this, but I certainly
Speaker 1: heard it for years, was that one of the counter
Speaker 1: arguments for Planned Parenthood that I always heard that was
Speaker 1: specifically from black people, was that Planned Parenthood was an
Speaker 1: organization spawned from eugenics, that this was like an organization
Speaker 1: built by a person who intentionally wanted to like sterilize
Speaker 1: the black and brown communities. Yeah, have you gone into
Speaker 1: that whenever on the show or have you looked into
Speaker 1: that one? We have not, no, but I I I'm
Speaker 1: excited to dig into it if you got some thoughts
Speaker 1: on it. I don't have any real vetted thoughts. But
Speaker 1: what's interesting, I always heard that too, and now, as
Speaker 1: like a grown thinking person, my brain goes two ways,
Speaker 1: and I could have learned this with a simple Google.
Speaker 1: I'm sure I I did not do that, dear listener,
Speaker 1: so sorry. It could be that someone who was a
Speaker 1: believer in eugenics, even a proponent of it, was there
Speaker 1: at the start of Planned Parenthood, and then the organization
Speaker 1: turned into what we know it as now, which is
Speaker 1: just healthcare for women and people who can't get pregnant.
Speaker 1: But the other part of my brain goes, so, if
Speaker 1: this isn't true at all, if there was no one
Speaker 1: involved in eugenics, the point of this conspiracy theory, like
Speaker 1: the reason things like this gets seated now on Reddit
Speaker 1: in places like that, But back in the day, the
Speaker 1: reason why these things get floated around to the black
Speaker 1: community is to push the anti choice agenda. Is to
Speaker 1: push the idea that abortion is bad. You know, choice
Speaker 1: is bad because it's you know, spawned from planned parenthood,
Speaker 1: which is trying to sterilize us. And we know that
Speaker 1: black people are a faith filled group of people in general.
Speaker 1: So the idea of pushing the anti choice agenda and
Speaker 1: that all ties back to I will never not say this.
Speaker 1: It all ties back to the fact that when people
Speaker 1: who can get pregnant have children that are unplanned at
Speaker 1: an early age or at an unplanned time in their life,
Speaker 1: they are significantly less likely to pursue higher education, pursue
Speaker 1: advanced careers, and they are way more likely to vote GOP.
Speaker 1: So there's nothing about it that is, oh, we have
Speaker 1: to save a life to feed us. It's a life.
Speaker 1: It is strictly a way to funnel people out of education,
Speaker 1: out of the workforce, and into the cold, dead, stupid
Speaker 1: arms of the GOP. Yeah, I think to your point,
Speaker 1: there is so much of it that is just rooted
Speaker 1: and intentional manipulation. And so even if there was some
Speaker 1: person that was a part of the inception of planned
Speaker 1: parenthood that did have eugenics ideals, right, they're not involved anymore.
Speaker 1: They're not like leading the charge for what Planned Parenthood represents,
Speaker 1: and so it's the it's no different than when the
Speaker 1: fucking like Republicans go. You know, a Lincoln was a Republican.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, my fucker, but y'all wouldn't rocking with
Speaker 1: the same politics. You just had the same title and
Speaker 1: that title change. You know. The Democrats were the ones
Speaker 1: that were in charge of slavery, and it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: but they like a different kind of slavery now, lette
Speaker 1: it's flavored different. Yeah, I totally agree. It's like even
Speaker 1: if that person was involved, and again I could have
Speaker 1: googled this, I didn't if it wasn't involved early on
Speaker 1: the net. Good that an organization like Planned Parenthood has
Speaker 1: done now far outweighs whoever fucking started it. And like, yeah,
Speaker 1: population control in that way has not been proven. I'm
Speaker 1: far more likely to believe this type of ship is
Speaker 1: more it's proven because it's not happening on our soil
Speaker 1: right right that maybe they're testing. Oh we'll get into that,
Speaker 1: but I will say that to your point, it is
Speaker 1: a lot easier for them to get away with these
Speaker 1: things in spaces where we're less willing to check or
Speaker 1: even less willing to care then, like right in front
Speaker 1: of us. And you could argue that right in front
Speaker 1: of us, uh is super subjective because they don't give
Speaker 1: a funk about the neighborhoods that are like legit adjacent
Speaker 1: to the ones that they live in. But that's a
Speaker 1: different layer of the conversation. I think to your ultimate point,
Speaker 1: the want is manipulation. It is completely to control and
Speaker 1: trick and take advantage of the groups of people that
Speaker 1: they're telling this somewhat false information too. Yeah, so I
Speaker 1: have you on my side, then you believe my conspiracy. Oh.
Speaker 1: First of all, let me be clear, I believe almost
Speaker 1: every conspiracy theory, and you are not special. I was
Speaker 1: bought in before you even got into it. But but
Speaker 1: I will say you have done a phenomenal job of
Speaker 1: selling me in a reasonable way that makes me believe
Speaker 1: it for good reason and not just because I'm a
Speaker 1: defiant human being. Oh yes, I love that. I love
Speaker 1: when Yeah, I love when I can win over someone
Speaker 1: rooted in ridiculousness. Sure, I love it. I love when
Speaker 1: I get a cartoon character to agree with me. What
Speaker 1: a dream. Let me ask you that this last question
Speaker 1: before we go to break when you've talked about the
Speaker 1: injection and specifically like getting this information from this medical professional,
Speaker 1: going back and saying I no longer plan to you know,
Speaker 1: get at least this version of birth control. Did that
Speaker 1: taint your relationship with birth control from that point forward
Speaker 1: where you then like weary of all birth control, where
Speaker 1: you like, no, just that one, I'm good, I'm on chill.
Speaker 1: Oh no, you're right. It totally made my brain spiral
Speaker 1: and go, this is just the ship we noble about.
Speaker 1: This is just the ship they're telling us. And it
Speaker 1: made me go, all this ship is fucked up. They're
Speaker 1: trying to sterilize all of it. Like. It definitely made
Speaker 1: me paranoid, And I did end up using a couple
Speaker 1: of different types throughout my life, but like I would
Speaker 1: be lying if I said I didn't. Still, every time
Speaker 1: there's a new ad for some new birth control, I'm like,
Speaker 1: where'd that come from? Where they test that? What's the
Speaker 1: secret behind that one? So I love that. I love
Speaker 1: the idea of you watching those commercials where it's some
Speaker 1: lady playing in the park because she ain't got a baby,
Speaker 1: she gets to be as she wants to be, and
Speaker 1: you're just like na there's some sinister ship going on here.
Speaker 1: Know what happened in Swazzi Land though, what they do
Speaker 1: in Land, I don't trust it. I guess we should
Speaker 1: be doing that for all drugs though, like fun drugs.
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, I think that's true. That should be
Speaker 1: the instinct in watching every single drug commercial. Too. Many
Speaker 1: of these commercials are literally just a list of horrifying
Speaker 1: things that will happen to your body. And we're just like, well,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I guess if it's gonna make me
Speaker 1: smile a little more than I smiled yesterday, take some
Speaker 1: diarrhe you know, I'll take a little diarrhea if it
Speaker 1: means I'm gonna smile while materios instead of be all
Speaker 1: frowny and stuff. Oh god, just yeah, torso numbness. That
Speaker 1: doesn't seem so bad for me. I can't feel my
Speaker 1: my middle section, But god damn do I smile. You
Speaker 1: can wipe the feeling out of my body, but you
Speaker 1: can't wipe this smile off of my face. Thank you,
Speaker 1: drug Vera. All right, we're gonna take a break and
Speaker 1: we'll be back with more Tony news and more my
Speaker 1: mama told me, and we are that's supposed to meet
Speaker 1: his meat with this ship. Bro, What the fuck? Hell yeah,
Speaker 1: we're back here with more tawny news to more my
Speaker 1: mama told me, we're still talking about the risk, the danger,
Speaker 1: the sinister work that birth control and the operators of
Speaker 1: birth control are doing in the background, potentially sterilizing entire
Speaker 1: nations of people, entire continents of people. So besides Zim,
Speaker 1: was it Zimbabwe that you said was where they initially
Speaker 1: I can't remember if that was nor Plant or depor provera,
Speaker 1: but it was in the seventies and it was when
Speaker 1: it was called Rhodesia, and that's where they were like
Speaker 1: really coercing women to like, hey, try this new thing.
Speaker 1: Were there other nations where you were hearing that a
Speaker 1: similar thing was happening or was it just there? No?
Speaker 1: But I do feel like any time I have a
Speaker 1: really close friend who works in reproductive health, and I
Speaker 1: feel like she's been in this field for a long
Speaker 1: time time, and so if I mentioned these things like
Speaker 1: in a stupid flippant way, she speaks about them in
Speaker 1: a casual, very knowledge filled way where she's just like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, well, of course, the thing that happened in Kenya,
Speaker 1: and I'm always kind of like, yeah, yeah, yeah, So
Speaker 1: I pretend to know, but I don't actually know. But
Speaker 1: I do get a sense that there are multiple accounts
Speaker 1: of drug trials like this from a lot of different countries.
Speaker 1: There are. And this brings us, I think, in a
Speaker 1: in a very smooth, not at all set up way
Speaker 1: to the research that I did. And I'm so glad
Speaker 1: that you mentioned Kenya, because Kenya is in fact one
Speaker 1: of the places where, at least in the research that
Speaker 1: I did, it seems that a very sinister effort was
Speaker 1: made on the part of not only like the government
Speaker 1: as it were, but like the World Health Organization and
Speaker 1: the United Nations seemed to like team up on some
Speaker 1: like super friendship to try to just basically test and
Speaker 1: ruin the lives of these Kenyan women. Oh ship. See
Speaker 1: I define we did not know this. And I said,
Speaker 1: ken you like just taking a shot in the at
Speaker 1: the dart board of Africa, and little sister, you nailed it.
Speaker 1: You guys, you did it. It was the correct answer
Speaker 1: for either giraffes or birth control trials on women that
Speaker 1: lead to sterilization. Those were your two options. So I'll
Speaker 1: run you through what I found in the early nineties,
Speaker 1: researchers figured out that basically, by mixing these two drugs,
Speaker 1: this human chronic gondo trope in I don't know words,
Speaker 1: with the tetanus shot, they created a permanent sterilization for
Speaker 1: women under the guise of like an effective tetanus vaccine.
Speaker 1: That like, they could fake a tetanus vaccine and then
Speaker 1: simultaneously sterilize a lady at the exact same time. And
Speaker 1: so they took this vaccine. The United Nations and the
Speaker 1: World Health Organization teamed up and they took this vaccine
Speaker 1: to basically be carried out in Mexico, in the Philippines
Speaker 1: and Nicaraguan and then Peru. And so one of the
Speaker 1: things that was sort of an issue with this vaccine,
Speaker 1: even though it worked effectively to sterilize these women, it
Speaker 1: took five shots to do it, which is a big
Speaker 1: ask in a developing country to ask women to come
Speaker 1: back for five separate shots over the course of six months.
Speaker 1: But they figured out a way to promote tetanus vaccines
Speaker 1: in the country to be like, you gotta get a
Speaker 1: tetanus vaccine. This is a big deal. Tetanus is everywhere,
Speaker 1: blah blah, blah everywhere. Yeah, look at on the metal,
Speaker 1: you can get cut. You got to come get this vaccine.
Speaker 1: And so they're promoting this and women are going to
Speaker 1: get it. And the only reason they got caught is
Speaker 1: because doctors, like local doctors much like the one that
Speaker 1: stepped in in your life, were like, Yo, the normal
Speaker 1: tetanus vaccine only takes two to three shots. Why are
Speaker 1: y'all asking them to five shots for an otherwise similar vaccine?
Speaker 1: And so then the World Health Organization and United Nations
Speaker 1: like packed up their ship and we're like, uh, I
Speaker 1: don't know what happened by and just oh my god.
Speaker 1: So this is real. This is not even a conspiracy.
Speaker 1: This is a real These are facts. These are a
Speaker 1: hundred percent facts. And so here's where it gets even crazier,
Speaker 1: because that's happening in the early to mid nineties, right,
Speaker 1: Peru is the last one that's now in the World
Speaker 1: Health Organization and United Nations team up again to do
Speaker 1: the exact same thing in Kenya. They go to Kenya
Speaker 1: to to basically replicate to bring it back like they
Speaker 1: you know, they're bringing back the fresh Prince. They're bringing
Speaker 1: back this tetanus trial and and they go to Kenya
Speaker 1: to try it out again, and the only reason again
Speaker 1: they get caught is because a bunch of Kenyan officials
Speaker 1: are like, no, there's history, which' all you look, we're
Speaker 1: all for like helping our people and getting the vaccinated
Speaker 1: and healthy and blah blah blah. But whatever you're doing,
Speaker 1: it ain't sitting right with us. And they they get exposed.
Speaker 1: This is why, this is why it's a slippery slope
Speaker 1: to becoming an anti vaxer, because it's just one more
Speaker 1: click over to wild thought land to be like, well
Speaker 1: you can't trust any vaccine. Then they're all trying to
Speaker 1: do something to farious, right, Like how do you maintain
Speaker 1: a sensible brain when nefarious ship like this is going on? Sure?
Speaker 1: And so here's where it's gonna make you even more
Speaker 1: of an anti vaxer if you weren't already. Again, I'm
Speaker 1: not an anti baxor are going to kill my career, Tonny.
Speaker 1: Everything you said has been cleared. You're opposed to vaccines.
Speaker 1: McCarty is your favorite actress. Everything you said, my publicist
Speaker 1: is calling me right now. Are you live streaming this? Okay,
Speaker 1: So it's not so much next, but it's actually more
Speaker 1: of the history of this type of sterilization in America,
Speaker 1: that like, this is not the foreign sort of like
Speaker 1: dangerous thing for other countries that we've been sort of
Speaker 1: like framing it as it's one something that has been
Speaker 1: happening in America and continues to happen in America. Beginning
Speaker 1: in nineteen o nine and continuing through the nineteen seventies,
Speaker 1: the US developed a number of something basically called a
Speaker 1: sexualization Acts, which lead to more than twenty thousand sterilizations
Speaker 1: in California alone, just California. These are actual laws being created.
Speaker 1: What what's the end game was? It? Was it racially motivated?
Speaker 1: Were they trying to control certain aspects of the population
Speaker 1: or just population control in general. It absolutely was a
Speaker 1: form of population control, and I think what you're asking
Speaker 1: as an imp and one, but it was rooted in
Speaker 1: sort of like getting rid of what they basically considered
Speaker 1: traits that were not ideal in human human beings, so
Speaker 1: like it's a form of eugenics. But it was like
Speaker 1: basically saying, this type of person tends to be more violent,
Speaker 1: or less hard working, or less less of an asset
Speaker 1: to the human experience, and therefore we will control their
Speaker 1: population and not allow them to have more children. And
Speaker 1: got it. Obviously who they picked was more often than
Speaker 1: not black and brown people. Sure, because they're like, okay,
Speaker 1: so we just want a collection of really great traits
Speaker 1: for the human race. So let's not have any like, um,
Speaker 1: what is it like wide noses or like, you know,
Speaker 1: like full lips, like kinky hair is definitely not going
Speaker 1: to take us to victory as a human race. Okay,
Speaker 1: what is that? Like? Just bandlicking different words? I'm not
Speaker 1: I don't want to pick a race. I don't want
Speaker 1: to pick a race. That's not my style. It's not
Speaker 1: about certain things I like in, certain things that I
Speaker 1: think are just more important than more hirable, you know,
Speaker 1: Like I just think that very fair, just very burnable skin,
Speaker 1: just skin that can't even hear about the sun, I
Speaker 1: think is the most professional. So what makes it even
Speaker 1: more fascinating is that in nineteen seven, one of the
Speaker 1: reasons that this became like a big deal is that
Speaker 1: in this Lady Carry Buck, who's this poor white lady
Speaker 1: in Virginia is sterilized under a new law that the
Speaker 1: Virginia government approves. The reason they sterilized Carry is that
Speaker 1: Carrie's mother had been involuntary institutionalized for being what they
Speaker 1: called basically promiscuous and crazy. Like they were basically calling
Speaker 1: her like a loose nutcase um and carry was assumed
Speaker 1: to have inherited those exact same traits and was sterilized
Speaker 1: after giving birth. That they were like, your mom was wild.
Speaker 1: We can't rise it, and so you being wild, We're
Speaker 1: gonna cut that off. Oh my god, we're passing a
Speaker 1: law called an end to the crazy fast bitches. Uh
Speaker 1: you fast. You can't have children anymore. Old on now,
Speaker 1: I'm titties out and you're talking a little while. We
Speaker 1: might have to sterilize you. We might have to put
Speaker 1: you down. Every uncle in that state voted for this,
Speaker 1: of course, just every uncle. And you know there's something,
Speaker 1: there's something sick in them. Where it was not only
Speaker 1: did they want to sterilize them to keep them from reproducing,
Speaker 1: but it also was like, also, I'm trying to fun
Speaker 1: and not have any repercussions. I'm trying to I'm trying
Speaker 1: to bust the nut and and not have any risks
Speaker 1: on the other end of like being punished by having
Speaker 1: some baby with a crazy lady. And we were worried
Speaker 1: this topic would be too dark. But we're doing great,
Speaker 1: We're doing We're killing it. I'm so proud of us.
Speaker 1: Let's see how long we can maintain this, because they
Speaker 1: kids getting darker now. In this same period, between the
Speaker 1: nineteen twenties and the nineteen seventies, this Supreme Court case,
Speaker 1: the one with Carrie buck Lad because she loses the case, right,
Speaker 1: she basically like complains that, hey, this is fucked up.
Speaker 1: I should have never been sterilized, and takes it all
Speaker 1: the way to the Supreme Court and loses. And then
Speaker 1: that case basically like solidifies this law into place and
Speaker 1: leads to the sterilization of sixty five thousand Americans with
Speaker 1: mental health illnesses and developmental disabilities from the nineteen twenties
Speaker 1: to the nineteen seventies. I can't even process that. Sixty
Speaker 1: five thousand people all because this lady's mom had a
Speaker 1: hard time and she had a baby who wasn't having
Speaker 1: a hard time, who was fine, who was fine, And
Speaker 1: they thought that ship was genetic. They thought, like, what
Speaker 1: was surely just the pressures and stressors of the time
Speaker 1: of being a woman in the time and being poor
Speaker 1: that made her run her mouth probably Yeah, they thought
Speaker 1: that that ship was genetic. Oh my god, I would
Speaker 1: have been murdered. I couldn't be from the past. If
Speaker 1: I live, I couldn't be from the past. Is maybe
Speaker 1: my favorite quote anybody's ever said out loud, Hey dog,
Speaker 1: I couldn't be from the past. They would murder, murder me,
Speaker 1: like real murder. Oh man. This is where it gets
Speaker 1: even crazier is that there's also something called Mississippi appendectomies.
Speaker 1: Have you heard of a Mississippi appendectomy? No, of course
Speaker 1: it is not, Although it does sound delicious. It sounds
Speaker 1: like it's gonna hit you in as spotty that none
Speaker 1: of us know where it is in your body and
Speaker 1: like get your real fucked up. But a Mississippi app
Speaker 1: index to me, and we've talked about this once before
Speaker 1: in the podcast, but the Mississippi app indect me was
Speaker 1: a name for an unnecessary hysterectomy performed on black women,
Speaker 1: specifically at teaching hospitals in the South that like, basically
Speaker 1: they were teaching medical students how to like do stuff
Speaker 1: as medical professionals, and in the process also taking women's
Speaker 1: uteruses out. Jesus did I know the answer to this?
Speaker 1: But did the women know the women? Of course, of course,
Speaker 1: I don't know why I asked that. I just needed
Speaker 1: I needed to ask it, and I don't know why.
Speaker 1: I love the idea though, that they sat her down
Speaker 1: and like, miss Johnson, I know you came in here
Speaker 1: to get your tonsils out, but we've got some other
Speaker 1: exciting opportunities that we're laying out for you. Is it optional? No,
Speaker 1: it is not. Miss uh. We're gonna take that uterus,
Speaker 1: but you should know before we do it. Jesus. I mean, well,
Speaker 1: I don't know why. I'm shocked. I mean, it's happening now.
Speaker 1: The story about the ice detention centers where they're direct
Speaker 1: me is happening. And I think because I was already
Speaker 1: bought into the now not so conspiracies out of this
Speaker 1: conspiracy theory. You know, it's obviously so upsetting and horrifying,
Speaker 1: but I absolutely was not shocked to read it. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's one of those things where it's like, all right,
Speaker 1: I'm not surprised, but damn, this hurts my heart. To
Speaker 1: your point, it's like a tragic thing because we want
Speaker 1: to believe that, like, Okay, we worked through this ship.
Speaker 1: We got to a point where like at least as
Speaker 1: a civilization. We're not just going to steal women's uteruses
Speaker 1: in their sleep. If we're gonna mistreat people, will do
Speaker 1: it when they're awake and they're at least like aware
Speaker 1: of what's happening to them. But you know, it's quite
Speaker 1: the opposite. It's like very sinister, intentional shit that's been
Speaker 1: happening for hundreds of years. That's fucking wild. Yeah, it's wild.
Speaker 1: The way that we treat people who we don't think
Speaker 1: are hours like as a country, and that includes immigrants
Speaker 1: and people who aren't citizens, but also just like black
Speaker 1: and brown people, like it is wild. The fucking hoops
Speaker 1: and hoop law and nonsense. You know, the right will
Speaker 1: jump through to talk about unborn lives and protecting the
Speaker 1: poor and bubble, and then it's just white people. Apparently
Speaker 1: we just care about white people, and that's never been Yes,
Speaker 1: it's not even kind of a conversation about like and
Speaker 1: in part of the reason that even this lady Carrie
Speaker 1: Buck is a person in history is because she was
Speaker 1: a white woman who had this bad thing that was
Speaker 1: happening nationally to so many other women, happened to her.
Speaker 1: If it was a black woman She doesn't even get
Speaker 1: to go to the Supreme Court about this ship. She
Speaker 1: just takes the l and you don't get no babies,
Speaker 1: no more, no more babies, no more a part of
Speaker 1: your body. What a dark what a dark, terrible topic.
Speaker 1: I've chosen um was not to not be so ignorant
Speaker 1: about it, though, and to be like, oh no, this
Speaker 1: ship is really happening. Okay, I don't have a uterus,
Speaker 1: I never have, but I have to imagine getting it
Speaker 1: taken out. You're gonna hear a little hollow uh, like thong,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like the dong when you
Speaker 1: hit a door and it's hollow. You hear that. I've
Speaker 1: only ever had a tooth taken out. That's all that's
Speaker 1: been removed from my body forcibly. So I can't weigh in.
Speaker 1: I can't wait. So here's where it gets even darker,
Speaker 1: if you needed more darkness. It is estimated that twenty
Speaker 1: five to fifty percent of Native American women were sterilized
Speaker 1: between nineteen seventy and nineteen seventy six, six years. I
Speaker 1: feel like I did hear about this now, I feel
Speaker 1: like I've been hearing murmurs about this. But tell me
Speaker 1: the details, because I obviously don't know. I don't think
Speaker 1: I know many details either, But I think it's just
Speaker 1: in the same way that you know smallpox was an
Speaker 1: intentional murdering off of people. I think that there was
Speaker 1: an effective plan put in place two sterilized Native American
Speaker 1: women of us this nation, so much so that they
Speaker 1: got half of them, which would answer the question of
Speaker 1: why the population, amongst a plethora of other reasons, why
Speaker 1: the population of these Native American groups continues to shrink
Speaker 1: and disappear across our country, right along with like improper
Speaker 1: access to just basic health care, that's a massive problem.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like, I'm sure you've talked about this
Speaker 1: on the pod before, but the whole adage of like
Speaker 1: just because your paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to
Speaker 1: get you. Do you feel like for black and brown
Speaker 1: people especially, there is often there's often no line, there's
Speaker 1: no clear line between which of these things are wild
Speaker 1: ass conspiracies and because of the wilder ship that has
Speaker 1: been done to us and people like us. Yes, and
Speaker 1: I know I was being silly in the last segment,
Speaker 1: but I do think that that's part of the reason
Speaker 1: I'm so immediately bought in on so many conspiracy theories.
Speaker 1: Is not because I genuinely believe that, like there's a
Speaker 1: guy up in a scary tower who's twiddling his fingers
Speaker 1: and thinking about evil shipped to do to us. But
Speaker 1: I do think that so much of the way that
Speaker 1: our society is built is on sinister ship that people
Speaker 1: thought was effective or efficient or whatever it was. And
Speaker 1: so now it can't be uncooked from the way that
Speaker 1: we treat people or the way that we interact with communities. Right, So, like,
Speaker 1: you don't get to steal away the ability to procreate
Speaker 1: for half of an entire species of people and then
Speaker 1: treat them like human beings. Right, you can't do that
Speaker 1: and then go back and be like, I We're good,
Speaker 1: We're square. Yeah, Yeah, what did you learn? You effectively,
Speaker 1: you know, wipe them out, So there is no learning,
Speaker 1: which means you'll continue to mistreat them or continue to
Speaker 1: do something awful to them, be as what the funk
Speaker 1: else are you gonna do? Yeah? And I mean, and
Speaker 1: now I'm sitting here spinning about why you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: in black culture, there's such a weight placed on like
Speaker 1: knowledge and keeping a sharp eye and like, you know,
Speaker 1: don't be caught slipping like, don't you know, not being
Speaker 1: caught off guard by tricks like this and by things
Speaker 1: like yes, okay, I'll tell you one more sad thing,
Speaker 1: and then well, well maybe you have a breath. We'll
Speaker 1: get to take a second away from all of this
Speaker 1: heavy ship. And I should say before I tell you
Speaker 1: this final thing, I did not have nearly enough time
Speaker 1: to be able to dig into all of the examples
Speaker 1: of sterilization that have happened nationally, internationally, any of that stuff,
Speaker 1: but one of the final things. And I think it
Speaker 1: would be unfair to talk about sterilization without bringing up
Speaker 1: Puerto Rico. Puerto Rico apparently is known and it's understood
Speaker 1: to be the most sterilized placed on this planet Earth
Speaker 1: that like Noor else has suffered from sterilization more than
Speaker 1: Puerto Rico. And between the nineteen thirties to the nineteen seventies,
Speaker 1: Puerto Rico had nearly one third of its female population sterilized.
Speaker 1: One third of the entire island was sterilized by I
Speaker 1: presume just a bunch of different governments than people coming
Speaker 1: in and being like Nope, we don't like y'all. Y'all
Speaker 1: dumb it, saile y'all, ugly, we're gonna sterilize, Yeah, ugly.
Speaker 1: I wonder if it was drug trials again, or if
Speaker 1: it was just straight up, like no artifice at all,
Speaker 1: just like come in here to get sterilized and you
Speaker 1: have no choice. I have to imagine that it was
Speaker 1: a combination of of all of the above that it's
Speaker 1: like this became much in the way that like New
Speaker 1: Mexico becomes the testing ground for our bombs, like this
Speaker 1: just becomes like the testing ground for all the things
Speaker 1: that we decide we want to do, both you know,
Speaker 1: in our own backyards and across other countries. It's like
Speaker 1: you've got this little island filled with brown people who
Speaker 1: nobody otherwise gives a funk about will do whatever we
Speaker 1: want to them. God damn man. I've said before I
Speaker 1: couldn't be from the past. I don't think I can
Speaker 1: be from now. I'm having a hard time being from now. Listen,
Speaker 1: I don't want to be from the future, which is
Speaker 1: a complicated place to be in as a person who's
Speaker 1: gonna keep living, I have to keep living, but I
Speaker 1: don't want to be a part of none of this ship.
Speaker 1: It's wild. We should both not exist these feelings. All right,
Speaker 1: We're gonna take a break, We're gonna plot how we
Speaker 1: end our lives, and we'll be back with more Johnny
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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Okay, I would love to play
Speaker 1: a game. I have a fun game plan for us,
Speaker 1: and it's a game that I like to call white lies. Ugly.
Speaker 1: You're disgusting, I'm gonna kill you. Give me two white lies.
Speaker 1: This is a fun game where I am going to
Speaker 1: introduce to you a very standard, sort of widely accepted
Speaker 1: white conspiracy theory, one that that white people tend to
Speaker 1: believe in. And what I would like for you to
Speaker 1: do is unpack why you think this conspiracy theory is
Speaker 1: so important to white people. What are these sneaky motherfucker's
Speaker 1: up to? Do? You know what I mean? The conspiracy
Speaker 1: theory that I'm going to present to you. And this one,
Speaker 1: similarly is a little heavy and a little rooted in truth.
Speaker 1: The conspiracy theory that exists right now, maybe you've heard
Speaker 1: that Yellowstone is actually a giant supervolcano. Yellowstone Park, as
Speaker 1: we know it is, in fact a giant super volcano
Speaker 1: that if it were to explode, would wipe out all
Speaker 1: of like the United States and possibly all of North America.
Speaker 1: It's massive and it could go off at any moment.
Speaker 1: Have you heard that before? I have not. Why would
Speaker 1: they hide it being a super Okay, all right, okay,
Speaker 1: it is that part is not the the conspiracy theory
Speaker 1: that is true. It is it has geysers, and like
Speaker 1: we we know that it has volcanic activity right, yes, exactly,
Speaker 1: and it hasn't exploded for a very very long time.
Speaker 1: But in theory, it could explode at any moment and
Speaker 1: we would all perish. Now, here's where the conspiracy comes
Speaker 1: in is that some people believe that the government is
Speaker 1: fully aware of the exact day and time that this guyser,
Speaker 1: this giant volcano, whatever you want to call it, is
Speaker 1: going to blow, and they are intentionally planning, basically ways
Speaker 1: to protect themselves in this They being this sort of
Speaker 1: like royal day, if you will, and leaving the whole
Speaker 1: of America, the population to die in the ash that
Speaker 1: is left behind. My question for you, why do you
Speaker 1: think it's so important for white people to believe that
Speaker 1: the government knows when this explosion is meant to happen? Okay, um,
Speaker 1: thank you, My time starts now, Thank you very much. UM.
Speaker 1: I think it's important for white people to know the
Speaker 1: exact day of when the volcano's gonna erupt because white
Speaker 1: people always want an exact time and date for everything.
Speaker 1: You cannot put them on hold like a customer service
Speaker 1: call without saying like, we will get to you in
Speaker 1: three to six minutes, and if it's two minutes or
Speaker 1: eight minutes you are getting, there's going to be a
Speaker 1: nasty comment card filled out. So they want they want
Speaker 1: to predictable, because don't leave a white person waiting, even
Speaker 1: if it's for the end of the world, even if
Speaker 1: it's for the death of them and everyone they've ever met.
Speaker 1: They want to know exactly when, and they believe their
Speaker 1: right to know. Whereas I mean, black people haven't been
Speaker 1: told ship ever. I mean as soon as the boats
Speaker 1: picked us up and they didn't tell us anything, and
Speaker 1: that's been a thing. Yeah, they weren't like, hey, we're
Speaker 1: gonna be there in uh sixteen days, ten minutes before
Speaker 1: we leave. No, we have never known the time. That's
Speaker 1: why we are never late. We are never late. Even
Speaker 1: if we're late, we're not late. No one told us.
Speaker 1: And that's tell us the time the first time we've
Speaker 1: been recalibrating from the original time. You funked up on it.
Speaker 1: That's why Black people are late all the time, because
Speaker 1: when you didn't tell us when we were leaving the
Speaker 1: first time from Africa. So now we're just trying to
Speaker 1: catch back up from that original fucked up date and time.
Speaker 1: Thank you. We showed up to a country that was
Speaker 1: already started that we didn't know, so we showed up late.
Speaker 1: We were late to the very first America meeting. And
Speaker 1: then I'll try to act like we fucked up when
Speaker 1: we didn't even know we were coming here. So you
Speaker 1: know what, White people always want to know when ship
Speaker 1: is happening because they believe that as their god given
Speaker 1: right because they started this country on their time and
Speaker 1: everything happens on their time. I love that. That's God Damn,
Speaker 1: that's beautiful. Cool motherfuck com I love that, you know why,
Speaker 1: because I think there's so much truth in that. I
Speaker 1: think that there's so much evidence. Even now, we're in
Speaker 1: the middle of what I would argue is one of
Speaker 1: the scariest times that I've ever heard of, at least
Speaker 1: in terms of our like existence as a species on
Speaker 1: this planet. And white people are still gonna carrying their
Speaker 1: way through it. They're still going to shake their heads
Speaker 1: and complain to a manager about the apocalypse that, like,
Speaker 1: the apocalypse is happening, and you still are unsatisfied with
Speaker 1: the way that the apocalypse is happening and the timing
Speaker 1: that it all falls into. Yep, exactly, because truly, like
Speaker 1: I mean, and this is this is serious, like before
Speaker 1: you know, I got to be on my little fer
Speaker 1: con esque soapbox, but like seriously like wanting to know
Speaker 1: when and how and where things happen. It's all just
Speaker 1: a means of season control. And I know this because
Speaker 1: I'm a very controlling person, and you and I are
Speaker 1: in a business where we have no control. This business
Speaker 1: constantly tests us and pulls us and yanks us around.
Speaker 1: And when you are a controlling person, or let's say,
Speaker 1: when you are a controlling class of people. When you're
Speaker 1: a controlling demographic because you have been given all of
Speaker 1: the control for centuries on the whole as globe. When
Speaker 1: you are not, when you don't have control over when
Speaker 1: or how or where something is going to happen, this
Speaker 1: is deeply like anxiety producing. So of course white people
Speaker 1: want to know when the volcano is going to blow up,
Speaker 1: like that's real. This may in fact comfort some of
Speaker 1: our white listeners is that it's not a shameful thing
Speaker 1: that that's your instinct because it is cooked into your
Speaker 1: experience as a white person on this planet. You have
Speaker 1: only known control. Therefore, to not have it even in
Speaker 1: the face of what is completely unpredictable, you get frustrated,
Speaker 1: and so you want to create a narrative where there
Speaker 1: is a secret person or secret entity that has control
Speaker 1: over this thing, because otherwise you are trapped, like all
Speaker 1: of us, at the whim of a god or a
Speaker 1: you know, a fate, whatever you want to call it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: or just wild ass nature. That's terrifying because it's chaotic
Speaker 1: and yeah, it's science, but it's random. I mean, well,
Speaker 1: welcome to it. Anyone, who I mean, you ever want
Speaker 1: to see see a real experiment is to look if
Speaker 1: you're in a supermarket and there's one long line for
Speaker 1: a cashier, look at the faces of the black people
Speaker 1: versus look at the white people, like truly, the white
Speaker 1: people will be shifting, are uncomfortable. Black people have resigned
Speaker 1: ourselves to wait. We have been waiting. Yes we wait,
Speaker 1: and yes we might cuss somebody out in the process
Speaker 1: of waiting, we might say some ship, but we more
Speaker 1: or less are going to wait our turn in that process,
Speaker 1: whereas white people, I think, are constantly wanting to get
Speaker 1: out of the line to somehow find their way in
Speaker 1: a different place in the line, which you know how,
Speaker 1: you know how it works, and that's not how the
Speaker 1: volcano is gonna work. That's not how the volcano is
Speaker 1: going to work. I love that, Tawny. I think we
Speaker 1: did it. What a wonderful time. I had a great
Speaker 1: time talking to you. I had a really fun time.
Speaker 1: This makes me want to like pull out all my
Speaker 1: like I want my glowing eyes, I want my can
Speaker 1: say cloth, my an earrings. I want to go full
Speaker 1: ass hotep and just like dive with you into all
Speaker 1: the conspiracies. So listen, next time I see you, I
Speaker 1: hope that's what you're wearing. I pray to God that
Speaker 1: you have on the whole garb so that we can
Speaker 1: have a more effective conversation together. And I promise I
Speaker 1: won't wear a tie dye so that I will match
Speaker 1: your same energy. Oh, I love it. Can you tell
Speaker 1: the people where they can find you what cool stuff
Speaker 1: you have going on? Yes, you can find me on
Speaker 1: Twitter and Instagram at Trondy Newman, or you can just
Speaker 1: type my real name in there and you'll find me
Speaker 1: Tauny News something. Um, the cool stuff I have going
Speaker 1: on is I wrote, recorded, and engineered a new album
Speaker 1: of music and I did that wall during the pandemic.
Speaker 1: Yeah to me and another black woman, my friend Bethany
Speaker 1: Thomas from Chicago. We've been singing together forever and yeah,
Speaker 1: in the middle of the summer, she just drove her
Speaker 1: ass out to my house in the desert out here
Speaker 1: in l A And we made a big, loud, black
Speaker 1: lady punk record that we never would have had time
Speaker 1: to do if the world hadn't shut down. So if
Speaker 1: you want to buy that, that can be found. Um,
Speaker 1: there's a link in my Instagram bio, or you and
Speaker 1: go to Tawny and Bethany dot com. The preorders on
Speaker 1: band camp for vinyl and stuff, but um and digital,
Speaker 1: but it'll be out everywhere like for streaming and stuff
Speaker 1: on October night dope and what's it called? What's the
Speaker 1: project called? We're just using our name, so we're just
Speaker 1: Tawny Newsom and Bethany Thomas and our album is called
Speaker 1: material Flats. It's kind of named after the the weird
Speaker 1: hippie commune that I sort of have built for myself.
Speaker 1: So okay, hell yeah, I love that. What a great
Speaker 1: Oh plug, I love that so much. I had no
Speaker 1: idea that you could sing and do all that cool ship.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. Well, I'm jealous of you, and I resent
Speaker 1: you the same way I resent Nick Chambers. Anyway, you
Speaker 1: could follow me at Langston Kerman on all the social
Speaker 1: media platform. Nobody else wants what I got and does
Speaker 1: they do? Not my name? That's I'm the only one, oh,
Speaker 1: the only one on the planet. Yeah, they're fine with
Speaker 1: my words in my face every once in a while,
Speaker 1: but they're not interested in my name. And then, oh please,
Speaker 1: if you have drops that you want to send us,
Speaker 1: if you have conspiracies that you think are valuable, for
Speaker 1: us to be talking about on the show. We would
Speaker 1: love to hear from you. Send us voice memos, send
Speaker 1: us articles, send us bullshit. I will sift through all
Speaker 1: of it. You can send it to my Mama pod
Speaker 1: at gmail dot com. I believe yes, Okay Hans is saying,
Speaker 1: I'm correct, it's my Mama pod at gmail dot com.
Speaker 1: Send it to me. I want to see this ship,
Speaker 1: and I promise that I might actually talk about it
Speaker 1: on the podcast. It's a promise that I maybe will
Speaker 1: do something that is a guarantee that I might do
Speaker 1: some ship. Okay, I talked too much by racist. They
Speaker 1: also player of folksta money, versions of many turney stuff.
Speaker 1: I can't tell me about my