1 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 1: Hi. 2 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 2: I'm Laura Vanderkamp. I'm a mother of five, an author, journalist, 3 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 2: and speaker. 4 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 3: And I'm Sarah Hart Hunger, a mother of three, practicing physician, writer, 5 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:22,280 Speaker 3: and course creator. We are two working parents who love 6 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 3: our careers and our families. 7 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 2: Welcome to Best of Both Worlds. Here we talk about 8 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 2: how real women manage work, family, and time for fun, 9 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 2: from figuring out childcare to mapping out long. 10 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:34,200 Speaker 1: Term career goals. 11 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 2: We want you to get the most out of life. 12 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 2: Welcome to Best of Both Worlds. This is Laura. This 13 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 2: is actually episode four hundred. Very exciting. It's airing in 14 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 2: the beginning of April of twenty twenty five. We began 15 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 2: Best of Both Worlds some seven and a half years 16 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 2: and four hundred episodes ago, and I'm very excited to 17 00:00:57,120 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 2: be recording this one from Sarah's cl here in Fort Lauderdale. Hi, Sarah, Yes, 18 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 2: closet headquarters. 19 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 3: We are recording live, and this is kind of an 20 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 3: exciting way to do four hundred yeah together. 21 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 2: I mean, we don't get to do that many episodes 22 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:14,759 Speaker 2: together in the same place, but we've done a few 23 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 2: and it's always. 24 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: Exciting when we can. Maybe I don't know getting toward that. 25 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, did you think we'd get to four 26 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 2: hundred episodes when we did episode number one? 27 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 3: No, I definitely was not thinking about four hundred. I 28 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 3: mean probably even one hundred at that point sounded really daunting. 29 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 3: And this is like a testament to that whole thing 30 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 3: where it's like you just keep doing something, it's amazing 31 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 3: what it can accumulate too. I mean, what kind of 32 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 3: library do we have at this point? 33 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 2: Pretty large library, four hundred episodes, I hear so looking 34 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 2: back twenty seventeen, the summer of twenty seventeen when we began, 35 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 2: our lives looked a little bit different to our families 36 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 2: were smaller. 37 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 3: For instance, yes, I was pregnant with Genevieve, but I 38 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 3: had two children at the time, Aniblee and Cameron were 39 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 3: I guess like almost six and almost four. 40 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, cute different stages of life than now, for sure, 41 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 2: Yeah I had I guess they would have been seven 42 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 2: years younger than they are now. 43 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: Is that like ten and eight or six or five? 44 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: And yeah, your oldest would have been ten, Yeah, Aliss. 45 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 2: Was two maybe yeah in twenty seventeen, but you know, 46 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 2: then Henry joined us. 47 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 1: A couple of years later. 48 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 2: So now between the two of us, we were up 49 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 2: to eight children, which is a good number, and we 50 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 2: have all moved forward seven and a half years, which 51 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 2: is also exciting that we've made it through. 52 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:38,359 Speaker 1: We are here. Yeah. 53 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 3: I looked back to see what the hot podcasts were 54 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 3: in twenty seventeen, and the top five mentioned were This 55 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 3: American Life, Radio Lab, s Town Remember s Town? 56 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: I think that was like a spin off of the serial. 57 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 3: Our second round didn't hit quite as well, and then 58 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:58,079 Speaker 3: something called Hardcore History. But the main thing was that 59 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:01,359 Speaker 3: Laura and I noted that there was like a smattering 60 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 3: of podcasts by women, but most of them were kind 61 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 3: of about the stay at home mom life or homesteading 62 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 3: or something that was a little bit different from our 63 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 3: everyday experience. And we saw that gap and like, hey, 64 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 3: where are the working parents? 65 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:15,639 Speaker 1: Which we figured out why the gap was there. Again, 66 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:15,959 Speaker 1: do we go? 67 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:19,239 Speaker 3: A podcast take some time, So it's a hard thing 68 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 3: to throw on top of a inflexible full time career, 69 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 3: but since we both ended up with some flexibility, we 70 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 3: were able to make it work. 71 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. 72 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 2: Well, it's very exciting that we've been able to do it, 73 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 2: and of course we'd love to hear from people. If 74 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 2: you have a favorite episode, I guess if you have 75 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 2: a least favorite episode, you can share that as well. 76 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: Feel free to reach out to either of us. 77 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 2: We're also trying to figure out as we move forward, 78 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 2: because we planned to keep going at least for now. 79 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 2: I don't know if there'll be an episode eight hundred. 80 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 2: Who even knows what life will look like in seven 81 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 2: and a half years, But we do want to keep 82 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 2: this relevant for women in different stages of life, and 83 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 2: particularly this is a challenge for us as our kids 84 00:03:58,520 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 2: get older. 85 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 3: Right, Sarah, Yeah, we want to make sure we still 86 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 3: you know, I do think having the blog and the 87 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 3: podcast helps me remember a little bit more than I 88 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 3: see some of my peers remembering what it was like 89 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 3: to have really little kids. Also the fact that Laura 90 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 3: has a very wide age spread so has spent a 91 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 3: lot of years over and over again doing the really 92 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 3: little kid thing. 93 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:21,720 Speaker 1: I think that drums at home maybe more than just 94 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: doing one round of it might. 95 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 3: But yeah, we want to make sure that even if 96 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 3: you are just thinking about having your first kid, that 97 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 3: this podcast still feels like it's for you. 98 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 1: So hopefully we're able to continue doing that. 99 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, and definitely send us ideas for guests for episodes, 100 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:39,840 Speaker 2: things you'd like us to cover more. We definitely come 101 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 2: up with a lot of our ideas from listener suggestions, 102 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 2: so definitely encourage that. 103 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: But yeah, anything else we have to say about episode 104 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:50,280 Speaker 1: four hundred, no, just thank you. 105 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 3: We appreciate that we're only still here because people want 106 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 3: to listen to us, so it's amazing. It's a privilege 107 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 3: to be in your feed. However you listen to this. 108 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: Podcas absolutely well. 109 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:04,359 Speaker 2: So the bulk of this episode is going to be 110 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 2: talking about a different topic, which is protecting your deep 111 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:11,719 Speaker 2: work time. So deep work being a phrase that we've 112 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 2: gotten from Cal Newport, has been a guest on our 113 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:19,160 Speaker 2: other podcast. But the time that you are spending in 114 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 2: focused work and not constantly being pulled in different directions, 115 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 2: and it's kind of important to have this time just 116 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:33,279 Speaker 2: for thinking, for creating, for being strategic. And I know 117 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 2: that particularly if you do have a lot going in 118 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 2: your personal life and you have a flexible job, this 119 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 2: could be hard. Now obviously if you are in a 120 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 2: place where you cannot be reached from the outside world. 121 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 2: I mean you're in your office doing your work for 122 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 2: your eight hours I mean, when Sarah's doing clinical work, 123 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 2: there's not a whole. 124 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: Lot of back and forth. There's not zero back. 125 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 2: There's not zero back and forth, but less than there is. 126 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 2: I mean, do you struggle with this is more on 127 00:05:58,120 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 2: your work from home days though, right. 128 00:05:59,520 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 1: I do. 129 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 3: I do, although sometimes I'm just you know, a teacher 130 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:05,039 Speaker 3: will call you or you know, of course I'm happy 131 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:07,720 Speaker 3: to deal with stuff. But the truth is, neither of 132 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 3: my husband are flexible, so it's not like he's a 133 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 3: better option. But it is amazing that even when you're 134 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 3: really like going back and forth, sometimes things get interrupted. 135 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 3: But I'm more vulnerable to it on my non clinical days, 136 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 3: that is true. 137 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:22,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean you generally try to start work 138 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 2: at when on the non clinical days, would you. 139 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 3: Say as soon as I've dropped off the kids. Sometimes, well, 140 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 3: I mean my schedule is going to be different. There 141 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 3: were some days when I actually chose to work really 142 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:38,599 Speaker 3: early and then run after I drop them off back 143 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 3: in those days, but other times I would run early 144 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:43,159 Speaker 3: and then I would drop them off at school, and 145 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:44,720 Speaker 3: then like writ at eight thirty, I would sit down 146 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 3: and I often had something scheduled many times for like 147 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 3: nine maybe it was in an interview or you know, 148 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 3: something to do, or it was like I have to 149 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 3: get X y Z done by eleven am because at 150 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 3: eleven I have a pall or an interview or something 151 00:06:58,600 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 3: like that. 152 00:06:58,960 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 1: Yeah. 153 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 2: So but then that would be the day as well 154 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 2: when kid appointments would wind up, or if there was 155 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 2: some earon that you particularly had to do or what. 156 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: That's when it happens, of course. 157 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 3: Totally my own appointments, kid appointments, unexpected stuff. Something breaks 158 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 3: in the house and like, oh convenient, she's home. 159 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: I'm like, well, I'm home. 160 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 3: But like, if I'm leading a paid course session, am 161 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 3: I interruptable? 162 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:29,239 Speaker 1: No? No, actually I will answer that. No, I know. Yeah. Yeah. 163 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 2: So it's a struggle for sure, and it's wonderful to 164 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 2: have a flexible job, but you just do have to 165 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 2: be aware of this. And so I had written something 166 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 2: for my substack. I have the substack newsletter called vander Hacks, 167 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 2: and I do how tos and tips and things like that, 168 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 2: and I wrote one about protecting your deep work time. 169 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 2: And I think email number one I got about it 170 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 2: was from a certain Sarah Hardhunger. Yeah. 171 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 3: I read pretty much all of Laura's and this one 172 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 3: I was like, ooh, we need this. Is this hit 173 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 3: me where it hurt because I think we had just 174 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 3: had some I don't know, something broke, some minor disaster, 175 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 3: and I'm like, we are all feeling this acutely and 176 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 3: we need to talk about this more. And I mean, 177 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 3: you haven't really mentioned the gender divide here, but this 178 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 3: is where I think sometimes when people talk about deep 179 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 3: work and stuff, they're like, that sounds awesome and I 180 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 3: don't get to do it. 181 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think this is such an awesome topic 182 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 1: to talk about. Yeah. So, I mean I analyze. 183 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 2: I tracked my time and I have for ten years now, 184 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 2: and I analyzed all my time in twenty twenty four 185 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 2: as part of an exercise for the book I was writing. 186 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 2: And I know that I work fewer than forty pure 187 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:43,839 Speaker 2: hours of work per week, right I'm at my desk 188 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 2: probably more than that, but in terms of actual focused work, 189 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 2: it was drifting under that. But I was still surprised 190 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 2: to see it only came out to about thirty two 191 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 2: hours per week. And that is because I think of 192 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 2: a normal work day as starting at by eight and 193 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 2: go to five, but there are very few normal work 194 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 2: days for various reasons that flexibility turns out to be 195 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 2: a double edged sword. And because I could do things 196 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 2: during the workdays, I often was doing things during the workdays. 197 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 1: And on some level it is okay. 198 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 2: I will say that twenty twenty four was a very 199 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 2: productive year. I got a lot done, I earned a 200 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 2: reasonable amount of money, made professional progress on things. 201 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: But I wrote like a whole book. Yeah I did. 202 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 2: I did write a book, But sometimes I felt like 203 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 2: I didn't have enough time to execute on the ideas 204 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 2: that I had. And I want to be fair to 205 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:42,959 Speaker 2: myself and to my own ambitions and creativity and all 206 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 2: that and create enough time to do that. So when 207 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 2: we come back from our break, we are going to 208 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 2: talk through some tips on how you can protect your 209 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 2: deep work time even if you do have a flexible 210 00:09:54,559 --> 00:10:09,559 Speaker 2: job as well. Well, we are back in this our 211 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 2: four hundredth episode talking about how to protect your deep 212 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 2: work time, and the first strategy I want to talk 213 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 2: about is being strategic with exercise. Now, we are big 214 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 2: fans of exercise, even if that looks different from us 215 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:26,439 Speaker 2: for us now than it that might have a couple 216 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 2: weeks ago as a long topic, people didn't listen to 217 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 2: the past two episodes. 218 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 1: You can go back to those. 219 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 2: But for many years I worked out during business hours 220 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 2: because I could, and more importantly, it's always time I 221 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 2: knew would be available, like the. 222 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 1: Kids had childcare or we're in school, And it. 223 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:48,119 Speaker 2: Always felt like working out after work would cause scheduling hassles, 224 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 2: like if I was trying to go out for a 225 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 2: run at five o'clock, something would happen and I wouldn't 226 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 2: get to my run, Or if I tried to schedule 227 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 2: a time with my trainer for five point thirty, something 228 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:00,679 Speaker 2: would happen and it would just be a problem. And 229 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:03,559 Speaker 2: so I'd always do it for during the time when 230 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 2: people were not around me. 231 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 1: But that means that wasn't work time. 232 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 2: I mean, Sarah, you, I mean you got in the 233 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:12,560 Speaker 2: habit of doing pre work just for clinical days because 234 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 2: you had to. 235 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I also live in a hot climate 236 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 3: and most of my workouts are outside, so I was 237 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 3: highly highly motivated to generally get things done well before 238 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 3: the start of normal work hours, so that was a 239 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 3: less of an issue for me. The other thing I 240 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 3: will say about this is that I started doing some 241 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 3: strength training, and I figured. 242 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 1: Out that if I was going to do it, during 243 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 1: the work day. 244 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 3: Do it when I'm brain dead, Like, do not do 245 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 3: it at nine am, because that's like prime hours. But like, 246 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:40,680 Speaker 3: if I'm the kind of person who maybe is not 247 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:43,440 Speaker 3: that useful by four anyway, then that would be like 248 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 3: a reasonable kind of during business hours time for work day. 249 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:48,679 Speaker 3: So even if you are just setting to use business 250 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 3: type hours, those hours are not created equal in terms 251 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 3: of what you're capable of, and so that's something to 252 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 3: take into consideration as well. 253 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:59,079 Speaker 2: You could also specifically do it as a lunch break, yes, right, 254 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 2: and so but I do currently I meet with my 255 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 2: trainer virtually, but at twelve thirty on Mondays, and so 256 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 2: that is time that I probably would not have been 257 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 2: intensely working because I would have been hungry. So I 258 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:15,680 Speaker 2: tend to grab something very quick on Mondays, do my 259 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 2: workout from twelve thirty to one. 260 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:19,680 Speaker 1: It's very quick and efficient, and then. 261 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:22,680 Speaker 2: Get back to my desk ideally by one point fifteen 262 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 2: or so. So that's a little better to do that 263 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 2: or yeah, Sarah said, in the afternoon when you start 264 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 2: to get a little bit tired. But I also just 265 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:33,719 Speaker 2: if I am doing a workout during the day, understanding 266 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 2: that that is my break for the day, like there 267 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 2: should not be a lengthy lunch and the exercise, like 268 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 2: we need to protect this time. 269 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 1: Yes, that makes sense. 270 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 2: Another thing then, with in terms of making sure that 271 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 2: all work hours are not created equal, asking for more 272 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 2: convenient appointments. And I've started to do this with my 273 00:12:57,400 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 2: older children just because it's hard for for them to 274 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 2: miss school that you know, you miss ap calculus, you're 275 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 2: actually missing something you probably needed to learn for the exam. 276 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 2: There's not enough sessions to cover everything. You know, you're 277 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 2: racing through stuff, so it really needs to be not 278 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 2: during the school day, if at all possible. And then 279 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 2: I realized, wait, I'm not doing the same thing for myself, 280 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 2: and particularly what issue. In early twenty twenty four, longtime 281 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 2: listeners know, I was going to multiple physical therapy appointments 282 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 2: per week for my back issue, and they would offer 283 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 2: me times like eleven am, and I would look at 284 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 2: my calendar and there would be nothing at eleven am 285 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 2: on Tuesday, and I'd be like, Okay. But when you 286 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 2: find yourself doing that as somebody who has a flexible job, 287 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 2: just stop. 288 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 3: In the middle of the day, I think is the 289 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 3: worst because you're like, oh, I can't really do that 290 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:52,319 Speaker 3: much in the morning because I'm gonna have to get 291 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 3: ready to go, and then it's like, oh, I went 292 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 3: to that and. 293 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 2: That, Like yeah, I mean then it's like lunch, right, 294 00:13:57,840 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 2: and so the next thing, you know, again, you're not 295 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 2: at your desk like one o'clock from like eleven am 296 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 2: appointment you left at ten thirty. I mean, this is 297 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 2: just ridiculous. It's a bad idea. So there's early mornings. 298 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 2: Often places that serve the public in any sort of 299 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 2: way would open at eight am, So that might be 300 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 2: an option or just what Sarah was saying, right like 301 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 2: later afternoon when your brain is not working as well. 302 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, if you know that, you probably were Friday afternoon. 303 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 3: You know, although we do think that's helpful for planning 304 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 3: if you do it theain, but maybe you could plan 305 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 3: while you're sitting in the waiting room. 306 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 1: You can be creative about that. 307 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, And sometimes people have evening or weekend hours. 308 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: I mean you may have to ask about it. 309 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 3: Our dentist has like they don't like to talk about it, 310 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 3: but if you're really desperate, sometimes you can get a 311 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 3: weekend orthodonist or dentist appointment. 312 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 1: I think they work. 313 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 3: They have like one weekend a month and they probably 314 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 3: reserve it for people that are really really begging. And 315 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 3: so I've we have or what happens is we've been 316 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 3: able to get those if someone cancels, so I'll say, like, 317 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 3: put me on a wait list for Saturday, and. 318 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 1: Then a lot of times it's worked out. Yeah, but 319 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 1: you can ask for more convenient appointments. 320 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 2: So think about you might have a time of day 321 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 2: or week that you would like. 322 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: To schedule most of your appointments. 323 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 2: And so when you are there calling the dentists and 324 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 2: they're like, well, can you come in at ten am 325 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 2: on Tuesday, You'll be like, do you have anything at 326 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 2: two thirty right, And just maybe they don't, or maybe 327 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 2: you wind up going to the dentist on a seven 328 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 2: month rotation instead of a six month rotation, but probably 329 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 2: your teeth will be fine. 330 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, And this isn't all or nothing. Of course, there's 331 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 3: going to be some specialist appointment where it's just too bad. 332 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 3: I mean, listen, I feel sort of like hypocritical saying yes, 333 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 3: because sometimes people really want to get in for an 334 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 3: appointment in our office, and especially for that first appointment, 335 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 3: and we're trying to make space for you. We might 336 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 3: only offer you eleven am because it's less desirable and 337 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 3: they're going to have to sometimes say yes. But then 338 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 3: there's like the routine braces fitting and you go all 339 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 3: the time. And so maybe you can't have every appointment 340 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 3: be optimal, but try to optimize the ones where it's possible. 341 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, Just because you can doesn't mean you should, 342 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 2: all right, So this is the next principle, or at 343 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 2: least you shouldn't always. So where this often comes in 344 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 2: is that people who work from home or people who 345 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 2: have flexible jobs could probably take their kids to school 346 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 2: or pick them up or both. And so sometimes you 347 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 2: think that you should take your kids to school or 348 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 2: pick them up or both. But this can pretty quickly 349 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 2: cut into a work day. I know that when our 350 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 2: normal childcare was not available a few weeks ago, for 351 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 2: several days, I was the one who was generally bringing 352 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 2: Henry and Alex to school in the morning and then 353 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 2: picking up Henry because there's no bus service for preschool obviously, 354 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 2: so I wouldn't get to my desk until nine point fifteen, 355 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 2: nine twenty. I would have to leave at two forty 356 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 2: five to go get Henry and even if I could 357 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 2: convince him to, like go watch a video from like 358 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 2: three point fifteen to four thirty or something, and so 359 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 2: I would be back up my death. It's so chopped 360 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:11,239 Speaker 2: up the time right, like nine to fifteen to two 361 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 2: forty five is only a five and a half hour day. 362 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:18,439 Speaker 2: And I'm not saying like you can't do it, but 363 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:21,640 Speaker 2: you might think about not always doing it. So our 364 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:25,120 Speaker 2: current balance is that three days a week we have 365 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 2: childcare starting at seven thirty in the morning, and I 366 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:31,400 Speaker 2: am just not responsible for the morning. I am at 367 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 2: my desk at seven forty five and the day goes 368 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 2: from there. Two mornings a week, I take the little 369 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:40,919 Speaker 2: boys to school, so I get that experience right of 370 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 2: seeing the teachers, seeing the car line, talking to them 371 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 2: in the car. So it's getting a little bit of both. 372 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 2: And so it's not an either or thing like Ooh, 373 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:51,680 Speaker 2: I'm a bad mom because I'm not taking my kids 374 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:54,400 Speaker 2: to school. It's like, Okay, well, I guess I'm two 375 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 2: days a week being that mom. 376 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:57,439 Speaker 1: I don't know, no totally. 377 00:17:57,480 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 3: I think getting rid of the all or nothing because 378 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 3: I've heard parents say that, oh, but I want to 379 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 3: spend time with my kids in the morning. 380 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:02,920 Speaker 2: Well you can. 381 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 3: You could do two days, you could do three days. 382 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 3: Like figure out what the right balance would be for you. 383 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 3: But it doesn't have to automatically be five days. 384 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:12,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, five, and especially the pick up in the afternoon, 385 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:16,399 Speaker 2: because that can cut into an afternoon very quickly. And 386 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 2: again it doesn't have to be all five days a week. 387 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 2: But maybe you'll arrange for somebody else does a pick 388 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:24,359 Speaker 2: up two or three days a week, or you have 389 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 2: an aftercare thing going a couple days a week. 390 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:30,200 Speaker 1: It just gives you a longer stretch of time. 391 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:33,120 Speaker 2: So that afternoon, especially if you're coming back from if 392 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 2: you pause to eat lunch, let's say twelve to twelve 393 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:38,439 Speaker 2: thirty or even twelve to twelve fifteen. I mean, you 394 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 2: only have like the two hours in the afternoon to 395 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 2: do anything if you have to leave for a three 396 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:46,119 Speaker 2: pm pickup. It just you want to make sure that 397 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 2: you have coverage that you can start developing a thought 398 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 2: and getting into the groove. I mean that's true with 399 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:53,920 Speaker 2: childcare in general. 400 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 3: Yes, I was like underpinning, this is the thing we've 401 00:18:57,119 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 3: said so many times on so many episodes. Definitely this 402 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 3: is appropriate for episode four hundred. Is like you are 403 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:05,399 Speaker 3: working a job, and you should make sure you have 404 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 3: enough childcare to make that work well for you. And 405 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:12,160 Speaker 3: remember that the childcare is not just for you, it's 406 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 3: also for your partner. 407 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 2: Yes, if you have a partner, it is for both 408 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:20,160 Speaker 2: of you. And so yeah, maybe, and don't be cheap. 409 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 2: I mean, I get this again that like people like, well, 410 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:25,399 Speaker 2: how can I pay for the fewest number of hours 411 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 2: as possible? And because I'm working from home ergo I 412 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 2: could do all these things. But if you keep in 413 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:34,439 Speaker 2: mind that thought, just because I can doesn't mean I should. 414 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:37,639 Speaker 2: It is possible, especially if you have a sort of 415 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:41,239 Speaker 2: entrepreneurial job where it's not straightforward how much you are 416 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 2: going to get paid. Maybe you'll come up with a 417 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 2: great idea in that like two thirty to four thirty 418 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,880 Speaker 2: window where you are working that would. 419 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 1: Pay for your childcare for the next six months. 420 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know, that's kind of a big ask, 421 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 2: but like it could happen, right, Like it could happen, 422 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 2: So don't count yourself. 423 00:19:58,680 --> 00:19:58,920 Speaker 1: Sure. 424 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a little bit of a a long game 425 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:03,159 Speaker 3: or investment aspect to this. I think again, that can 426 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:05,439 Speaker 3: apply more to some career paths than others. I get that, 427 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 3: but you never know. 428 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you won't need childcare forever, so you can 429 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 2: view this as a temporary thing to protect your earning 430 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 2: potential long term. We'll do one more before we go 431 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:20,439 Speaker 2: to our second break, but stop with the housework. 432 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:24,200 Speaker 1: And errand's already Sarah, are you guilty of this? Not really? 433 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 1: Not really? Okay? Good? 434 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 3: It helps that I'm just not the best, like the 435 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 3: most caring. I'll just keep forever. So yeah, no, I don't, really, 436 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 3: I don't. I'm trying to think, like sometimes all's sort 437 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 3: of straighten up the kitchen if it's like total okay, disclaimer. 438 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 3: If we do have like a cleaning service that comes 439 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 3: and if they're calming, I do tend to do like 440 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 3: a quick like I'm talking like fifteen minute, like make 441 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:50,239 Speaker 3: sure it's not a disaster, so that when they come 442 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 3: in they can like start in a reasonable space. 443 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:55,400 Speaker 1: But nothing beyond that. Yeah. 444 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 2: Well, I mean anyone who has worked from home has 445 00:20:57,880 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 2: probably felt the siren song of getting ahead on the 446 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:02,919 Speaker 2: laweaundry or cleaning up the kitchen after everyone has trashed 447 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:03,440 Speaker 2: it in the morning. 448 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: I know that is. 449 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 2: A like on the mornings that I do bring the 450 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 2: little boys to school. I am them walking back into 451 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 2: the kitchen at like nine point fifteen, and many times 452 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:15,639 Speaker 2: it still looks like whatever disaster happened in there in 453 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 2: the course of getting out the door, and you know, 454 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:20,919 Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, I get this cleaned up. It's like, well, okay, 455 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 2: Or I could not do that, and I could just 456 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 2: get to my desk already and get these prime work 457 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:30,719 Speaker 2: hours in the morning. 458 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:35,119 Speaker 1: So just be very careful about it. I'm not saying that. 459 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 2: Moving a load of laundry in the middle of the 460 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 2: day is a terrible thing. I mean, or while you're 461 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,399 Speaker 2: on a zoomah, while you're yeah, I mean, I do 462 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 2: understand that it has to happen at some point, and 463 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 2: not having to do it all weekend might be an upside. 464 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 2: But just be aware because many times it is in 465 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 2: fact easier and more satisfying to empty the dishwasher than 466 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,120 Speaker 2: to sit down and really struggle through a problem you're having, 467 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 2: like how do I come up with a new thing 468 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:03,919 Speaker 2: for this client that's going to make them want to 469 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 2: re up for the next year, Like how can I 470 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 2: explain my value proposition to them? I need to work 471 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:11,440 Speaker 2: on this proposal, or I could go empty the dishwasher. 472 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 1: My kids are. 473 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 3: So good at cleaning their room when they have something 474 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 3: they're stressing about. Homework wise, Yeah, it's actually kind of nice. 475 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 1: I'm like wow, But then it's like wait a second. 476 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, your office, your home office is like sparkling 477 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 2: because like I really don't want to call Jen and 478 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:32,239 Speaker 2: work through this thing, right, yeah, like we all done it, 479 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:34,639 Speaker 2: but you just want to be aware that this is 480 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 2: what you are doing. Just because you work from home 481 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 2: or work flexibly doesn't mean that you should be getting 482 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,920 Speaker 2: all the housework done by five pm when you would 483 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 2: be quitting. And it's probably still worth if you would 484 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 2: have had a cleaning service when you're in the office. 485 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,680 Speaker 2: Probably should still have one even if you're working from home. 486 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: All Right, we're going to take a quick ad break. 487 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 2: And we'll be back with a little bit more on 488 00:22:56,119 --> 00:23:11,199 Speaker 2: protecting your deep work time. Well, we are back with 489 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 2: episode four hundred, where we are talking about how to 490 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 2: protect your deep work time. I mean, this is really, 491 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 2: you know, trying to have the best of both worlds. 492 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 2: We often worry about work kind of taking over our 493 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 2: personal time, but I find many women in particular and 494 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 2: people who do have flexible jobs can find that their 495 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 2: personal lives are taking over work time. And I'm not 496 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 2: even talking about like the good stuff like playing with 497 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 2: your children. I'm talking all the other things that go on, 498 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 2: and one of these is. 499 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 1: Being perhaps a homeowner. 500 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:52,919 Speaker 2: And it turns out that homes have things that go wrong, right, Sarah. 501 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 3: I mean all of mine do constantly. So you actually 502 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 3: don't even have to be a homeowner. You could be 503 00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:57,640 Speaker 3: a renter. 504 00:23:57,800 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 1: A renter, it's still wrong. 505 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 2: Although you know so maybe it's more of the landlord's 506 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:03,439 Speaker 2: problem than your problem. But you might still have to 507 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:05,680 Speaker 2: have someone still has to be home. Yeah, but you're 508 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:09,199 Speaker 2: not paying for it exactly. No easier when we were renting. 509 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:09,639 Speaker 1: Yeah. 510 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 2: So the last strategy here as we are thinking about 511 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,880 Speaker 2: protecting deep work time is the phrase, no, the contractor 512 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:20,440 Speaker 2: cannot come in the nine am to noon window. Okay, 513 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,920 Speaker 2: So this is the bane of anyone who works from 514 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 2: home's life, Like, yes, you're gonna be the one letting 515 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 2: in the contractor because you are there and they give 516 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:35,879 Speaker 2: you these huge windows. And the problem is not so 517 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,639 Speaker 2: much like is it a terrible burden to open the door? 518 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 1: No it is not. 519 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 2: But the problem is you don't want to schedule meetings 520 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,159 Speaker 2: or anything deep that might be interrupted if you know 521 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:51,360 Speaker 2: that the plumber might show up between nine and eleven 522 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:53,680 Speaker 2: and you don't know whins. You're kind of listening for it. 523 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 2: And I especially don't want to start recording if I 524 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 2: don't have somebody there to deal with it, because like 525 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 2: I'll have to stop recording it like be very embarrassing 526 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 2: if I was being interviewed for a podcast and I'm like, Okay, sorry, 527 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 2: there's the doorbell, I gotta go talk to the plumber 528 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 2: for ten minutes about this issue. So you don't schedule 529 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 2: things or you don't get deeply involved in something because 530 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:13,920 Speaker 2: you're kind of listening for when the plumber is going 531 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:15,680 Speaker 2: to show up, and then of course while they're there, 532 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,400 Speaker 2: they might have questions. You might have to pay them 533 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:25,119 Speaker 2: at the end. So since this is inevitable that something 534 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:26,439 Speaker 2: will break and you will have to deal with it, 535 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 2: you have a couple options. I mean, one is trying 536 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:32,399 Speaker 2: to concentrate these appointments to a certain time, and you 537 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,239 Speaker 2: particularly need to communicate this to anyone else in your 538 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 2: household who might be scheduling these, Like it is not 539 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 2: a costless thing to have a contractor show up if 540 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 2: your spouse is working from home. 541 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, Like let's be clear here. 542 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, I have like sometimes oh, you're going to be there, 543 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,120 Speaker 3: but actually, well maybe i'm first of all, maybe I'm 544 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:51,640 Speaker 3: not going to be there. Maybe that is my parent 545 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 3: teacher conference. So you have to be very careful. And 546 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 3: then I think sometimes, as we talked about, like jobs 547 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,919 Speaker 3: can be seen as more flexible than they actually are. Like, 548 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,159 Speaker 3: of course, if there's an emergency, certain things I do 549 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,160 Speaker 3: can be canceled, but in general I have a good 550 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 3: number of fixed things, even on my quote flexible days 551 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 3: that really can't bear someone coming to the door and 552 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:16,399 Speaker 3: then needing to be spoken with, et cetera. 553 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,879 Speaker 2: So one option is say all of these need to 554 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,159 Speaker 2: happen on Friday, if at all possible. Now, obviously, if 555 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 2: you have a huge gushing leak in your house and 556 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 2: you need a plumber right away, this is a different matter. 557 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 2: But if it's something sort of longer, like I need 558 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 2: the painter to come give a bid, well, guess what, 559 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,360 Speaker 2: the painter can probably come on a Friday. If you've 560 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,440 Speaker 2: decided that Friday is the day that all of these 561 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 2: things happen, or even every other Friday, or trying to 562 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 2: ask for a later window if they say, yeah, we're 563 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,119 Speaker 2: going to come on Thursday, and be like, I would 564 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 2: like the later window in the day, right, So the 565 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 2: two to five, the two to five window instead of 566 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,160 Speaker 2: the nine to twelve window or whatever it is, because 567 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 2: that way, it's not your best time. Most people are 568 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 2: more focused, more productive in the more and the other option, 569 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:06,359 Speaker 2: which is what we wound up doing because longtime listeners 570 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 2: know we bought this older house that has had to 571 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 2: have extensive renovations which involved a lot of contractor visits. 572 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:17,160 Speaker 2: Even now, is that we hired a home manager who 573 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 2: works two days a week and she does lots of 574 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 2: different things, but one of the things she is responsible 575 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 2: for is all contractor visits. I mean unless it's something 576 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 2: that's out in the yard and they don't even need 577 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 2: to be inside ever or talk to anyone, then she 578 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,359 Speaker 2: schedules all of these for the days that she is working. 579 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 1: And so I the liaison. She's the liaison. It's great. 580 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 2: So it was really great, Like I mean, there was 581 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,440 Speaker 2: somebody in there the other day working on like it's 582 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,439 Speaker 2: built in coffee. It's like you buy fancy appliances and 583 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 2: then they break but whoops, whoops. But I was like 584 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 2: sitting there working on my book or something, and she 585 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 2: was dealing with it. I was like, Uh, this is 586 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 2: exactly why we did this, as I am not out 587 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 2: there dealing with the waiting for the person to show up. 588 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,399 Speaker 2: And again, I know that's not an option for everybody, 589 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,439 Speaker 2: but you know, even just one day a week, or 590 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 2: if you have an after school sitter, but the person 591 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 2: has some flexibility and wants some extra hours, maybe they 592 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,920 Speaker 2: can work two afternoons a week starting at noon, and 593 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 2: they could do household chores. 594 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,360 Speaker 1: And they could also be the liaison with any contractors. 595 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean someone a team might be difficult to 596 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 3: interface with contractors, but like a college student might be 597 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,399 Speaker 3: willing to do that for a very reasonable rate, especially 598 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 3: if you're like you can do homework, you can do 599 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 3: whatever you want. I just need you to sit here 600 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 3: and answer the door. So that could be a good solution. 601 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 3: That could be an option too. 602 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,960 Speaker 2: I mean, sometimes again we have to pay to protect 603 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 2: our deep work time. But again, if you were in 604 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 2: an office, this wouldn't even be a question. You probably 605 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 2: aren't taking all of Wednesday off to have painters come 606 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 2: give bids, right like, So don't think that you can 607 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 2: get all your work done at home and have three 608 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 2: painters stopping by it to give bids as well. Like, 609 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 2: it's just going to ruin your whole day, So make 610 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 2: sure that you are protecting your deep work time and 611 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:07,080 Speaker 2: hopefully you will feel more productive and advance in your 612 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 2: career and make enough money. 613 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 1: To cover the extra outline love it, love it all? 614 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 2: Right, Well, here's an appropriate question for episode four hundred. 615 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 2: Sounds like you guys have fun podcasting? Should I start 616 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 2: a podcast? 617 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:22,960 Speaker 1: Yes? 618 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 2: And no. 619 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 3: So if you want to start a podcast because it 620 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 3: just sounds super fun, you want to hear your voice 621 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 3: out there, You just want to maybe want to build 622 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 3: a network of people interested in a specific topic and 623 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 3: you know you'll be able to reach them that way, 624 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 3: And it's not specifically for the podcast to earn money, 625 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 3: I say absolutely try it. Why not if you want 626 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 3: to start a podcast because you think it's going to 627 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 3: be a great business plan to have your podcast kill 628 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 3: it and get bought by Spotify for ten million dollars 629 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 3: and like earn a whole bunch of money from ads. 630 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 3: I don't recommend it, I think ea, especially now, I 631 00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 3: mean even in twenty seventeen, but especially now, podcasting itself 632 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 3: is just not a huge revenue generator unless you're huge, 633 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 3: and if you're huge, you might not care about the 634 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 3: revenue that a podcast would generate. I could see, like, 635 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 3: I don't know, if you're like a big name influencer 636 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 3: and you just want like another channel and you're already huge, 637 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 3: it might be a great thing to add to your portfolio. 638 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 3: But if you're starting without a huge platform, it's not 639 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 3: super likely. I mean, we are not earning lots of 640 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 3: money from our podcast. It's a wonderful way to have 641 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 3: a platform so you can earn money doing other things, 642 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 3: so it can be part of a career package, and 643 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 3: I think a lot of people use it really well 644 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 3: that way. And again, it can be so fun because 645 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 3: you're building a network of people that are interested in 646 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 3: similar things and you get ideas and you share ideas, 647 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 3: and then maybe that grows into other things. But I 648 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 3: guess I think that when I started this podcast, things 649 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 3: were a little different, and maybe I was deluded to think, like, wow, 650 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 3: you could like that could be your main gig. 651 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think it's going to be most people's 652 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 2: main gigs. If you are trying to raise your profile, 653 00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 2: build a platform make a name for yourself. As we 654 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 2: said in a previous episode, it can be a good 655 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 2: part of that. 656 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 1: I do think it's helpful to do a couple of things. 657 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 2: I mean, one, if you can have a co host, 658 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:12,520 Speaker 2: it feels a lot more doable. I mean, it's two 659 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 2: people to do the work. You can also just make 660 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 2: an episode out of the two of you talking, which 661 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 2: is slightly harder to do if it's just you. I mean, 662 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 2: you obviously can just get on a microphone and talk, 663 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,240 Speaker 2: but many people find out a little bit more challenging 664 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 2: than having a back and forth conversation. And then you 665 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 2: also want to make sure that you have enough material 666 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 2: to go for a while. And I think we mentioned 667 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 2: this in Then make a Name for Yourself Episode two 668 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 2: that try to make a list of at least twenty 669 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 2: episodes that you could do. And you don't need to 670 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 2: record twenty episodes all at once at the beginning, I mean, 671 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 2: you'll have time to do that. But if you can't 672 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 2: come up with twenty different episode ideas, then maybe you 673 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 2: need to expand your scope or think of a slightly 674 00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 2: different area, or how you could bring somebody in the 675 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 2: cover different topics. I'm not saying you shouldn't do it, 676 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,160 Speaker 2: but you should make sure that you have enough material 677 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,560 Speaker 2: to keep going for a while, because, like anything, it 678 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 2: will take a while to take off, and you want 679 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 2: to give yourself enough runway to be successful. Yeah. 680 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 3: I think one other benefit is that you will gain 681 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 3: skills doing it, Like there are things I have learned. 682 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 3: I never knew how to interview anyone before this, and 683 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 3: now I feel pretty d uncomfortable generating list of questions 684 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 3: and like holding my own interviewing, which I think is 685 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 3: a useful skill for many career paths. I essentially do 686 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 3: not I don't know if I did before, but like, 687 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,520 Speaker 3: I really don't have like speaking stage freight of any kind. 688 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 3: I was joking that, like, well, at least my heart 689 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 3: rate doesn't go up when I go I'm going to 690 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,200 Speaker 3: do a speech like a bad joke. Now too soon, 691 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 3: but soon you gain a skill set by doing this. 692 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:49,800 Speaker 3: I I'm not saying I'm perfect at it either, and 693 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 3: I probably could work harder at improving my skills because 694 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 3: I don't do a lot of re listening to myself 695 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 3: or anything. But just still, four hundred episodes is a 696 00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 3: lot of practice. 697 00:32:58,320 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 1: It's a lot of practice. 698 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, so see if you can at least come up 699 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,480 Speaker 2: with twenty ideas and you'll gain skills as you go. 700 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 2: But it can be a lot of fun. We've had 701 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 2: a lot of fun with it. So thank you all 702 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 2: for sticking around for four hundred episodes. Those of you 703 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 2: have we have some complete listeners, which is very exciting, 704 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 2: so shout out to those. 705 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 1: And our love of the week, Sarah. 706 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 3: I mean, what else, We're just going to go for 707 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,719 Speaker 3: best of both worlds because this podcast is awesome. 708 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:22,400 Speaker 1: I love the name of our podcast, by the way. 709 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 1: I mean sometimes I'll just. 710 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 3: Hear the phrase use and I'm like, yeah, you guest 711 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 3: your as you're advertising for us exactly. I just think 712 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 3: it's fit so well, and it's been so fun and 713 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 3: so fun to see it grow and to now have 714 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 3: like members who like, you know, I don't know, it's 715 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 3: just the community aspect of it has been way more 716 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 3: rewarding than I could have identified at the outset. 717 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you'd like to become more involved with 718 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:47,880 Speaker 2: the community, I should just do a quick shout out here. 719 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 2: We do have a Patreon community. We have great discussion 720 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,160 Speaker 2: threads going on our web page. We usually do three 721 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,120 Speaker 2: or four a week often get lots of helpful comments. 722 00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 2: Because it's well pay, well protected community. People are often 723 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 2: willing to share advice in a way I think a 724 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:03,720 Speaker 2: lot of us would be a little bit more reticent 725 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:05,440 Speaker 2: to do just out in the open on the internet 726 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,799 Speaker 2: or on social media. We have monthly Zoom meetups where 727 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:10,600 Speaker 2: we talk about all sorts of different topics. We have 728 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,160 Speaker 2: a great time, so you know, if you enjoy the show, 729 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:14,400 Speaker 2: feel free to come join us. 730 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,640 Speaker 1: We'd love to have you. Yes, Oh my gosh, exciting 731 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 1: four hundred, four hundred. 732 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, Thanky Friday, Happy birthday to Best of Both Worlds. 733 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:23,480 Speaker 2: All right, well, we will be back next week for 734 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,600 Speaker 2: our four hundred and first episode, and in the meantime, 735 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:28,879 Speaker 2: you know, here's to making the most of work in life, 736 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,399 Speaker 2: I guess, making work in life, making work in life 737 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 2: fit together. 738 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. 739 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,320 Speaker 3: You can find me Sarah at the shoebox dot com 740 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:42,160 Speaker 3: or at the Underscore Shoebox on Instagram, and you. 741 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:46,359 Speaker 1: Can find me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. This 742 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,759 Speaker 1: has been the Best of Both Worlds podcast. 743 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,960 Speaker 2: Please join us next time for more on making work 744 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:53,320 Speaker 2: and life work together.