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Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. After searching

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Speaker 1: straight out to Ellen klaurin Crimealline dot Com investigated Reporter Eka.

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Speaker 1: Let's start at the beginning. But I can tell you

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Speaker 1: all other breaking crime and justice needs. Ellen's start at

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Speaker 1: the beginning. What happened? Nancy Elizabeth was last seen at

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Speaker 1: would say warm conditions for the area ns Yes, it's

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Speaker 1: entirely possible. Again, if it was sharp force injuries such

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Speaker 1: as a knife attack, typically that is going to help

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00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 1: bone somewhere we will be able to discover that. And again,

429
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 1: depending on the of the body, there may be other

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00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 1: things that we may be able to tell as well.

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00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: If there is any blunt force trauma, we can tell that.

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00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 1: There may be other things that we might be able

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00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: to tell. Climb stories with Nancy Grace. There are not

434
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 1: words to express the sadness and the heartbreak we feel today.

435
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 1: This did not end the way we wanted it too.

436
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 1: But in this sadness, we are comforted that so many

437
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 1: people put forth so much effort to help us find Lizy.

438
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: You made the difference, and we are so very thankful.

439
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 1: We would never have expected this outpouring of help and support.

440
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: We could not have gone through this by ourselves. We

441
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 1: were able to feel the love of so many people,

442
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 1: most of who we had never met. You all didn't stop.

443
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 1: We have never seen so many people trying so hard,

444
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 1: and it was beautiful. You're hearing Jill Perker, the family spokesperson,

445
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: trying to speak for the family, in complete shock today

446
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: after the body a five year old Lizzie Shelley has

447
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 1: been found straight out to Crime online dot Com investigative

448
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 1: reporter Ellen Colauren, Ellen, I'm trying to figure out why

449
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: they didn't find the body already. They found several other

450
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 1: items in that very same area. It was just one

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00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 1: block away from the home. The reality is, had they

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00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 1: found her earlier, it would not make any difference about

453
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Speaker 1: what happened, And I'm grateful that they found her when

454
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: they did. Of course, they had to have a map

455
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 1: drawn for them by the perp. But I'm surprised they

456
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 1: had already found several items, including her bloody skirt there.

457
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: What else do you know, Ellen, Nancy, That's the question

458
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: a lot of people are asking. We know for sure

459
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 1: that police had been in that area in the immediate

460
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 1: hours after the disappearance, that they did take evidence from

461
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 1: there they received in the very same place, but We

462
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 1: also know that the remains and we don't know the

463
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 1: condition or the cause of death yet, but we know

464
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: that the remains were under something. It's there, it was

465
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 1: there was a lot of fresh there was a lot

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Speaker 1: of debris, and they were not exposed. We know that,

467
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: but we don't know how far they were buried. One

468
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: of the things that I feel like we should know

469
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 1: is this lawyer, Alexabel lawyer claiming that he's coming forward

470
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 1: because he wants to help the family. He wants to

471
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: do right by them. If he wanted to help the family,

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00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: first of all, don't commit a violent crime. Second of all,

473
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: don't wait until after you have been charged with murder

474
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 1: to come forward with these details. He has been in

475
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: custody since Saturday. He lied to police about his whereabouts.

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00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 1: He didn't disclose who he was. He knew that the

477
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 1: entire community and multiple law enforcement agencies were putting all

478
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: of their resources into this search, day after day after day.

479
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: And then only after he's charged and he's worried about

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00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 1: death penalty does he come forward and given them the

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00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: information they need to find her. I agree with you

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Speaker 1: three aka three hundred percent. As a matter of fact,

483
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 1: when they first see him after speaking to the guy

484
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: at the high Room gas station. They find him. They

485
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 1: tell him to put his hands behind his head. They

486
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: don't know if he's got a gun or a weapon

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00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: with him. He refused to do that and a deputy

488
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: had to take each arm to cuff him. He tried

489
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: to pull his arms away and actually tried to get

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00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: away from the deputies. He was combative and Quote was

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00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 1: assisted to the ground, I tackled and handcuffed. He was

492
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: later identified as Alex Whipple. He had a metal baseball

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00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: bat tucked in his back pocket and hidden in his

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00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: jacket along his back. A metal baseball bat. Now that

495
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: makes me wonder what will be the cause of death?

496
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: Did he beat this child to death? In his wallet

497
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: they find a picture ID identifying him as Alex Whipple,

498
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: and he began telling us that, telling police that he

499
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 1: had paraphernalia and drugs on him, and he was in

500
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 1: fact carrying a pipe consistent with drug use and a

501
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: silver container of what appeared to be marijuana. Also found

502
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 1: was a can of beer with his DNA on it.

503
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: We know he had a lot of previous arrests, some

504
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 1: not so serious joy riding. That's class A misdemeanors by

505
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: receiving stell on property. That's a felony failure to stop

506
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: at command of a police officer. It sounds minor, but

507
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: think about what that means. A cops telling you, giving

508
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: you an order and you refuse to do it, Dui

509
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 1: I to complete deal in that case. I mean it

510
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: goes on and on and on, and I agree this

511
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:57,959
Speaker 1: is nothing that would indicate to the mother he had

512
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: a violent nature, but still a five year old little

513
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 1: girl in the home. To doctor Michelle Dupree medical exam

514
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 1: rejoining us out of North Carolina and author doctor Dupree,

515
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: could a brutal beating cause the same amount of blood? Nancy, Absolutely,

516
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: It depends on you know, the location of those injuries.

517
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 1: There could also be some internal bleating, of course, but yes,

518
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 1: it could absolutely cost that much blood. I want you

519
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 1: take a listen to what we learned from our friends

520
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: at KATSUTV. It was walking this way from the townhouses

521
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 1: over there that come in here to buy something. Ryan

522
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: the Linquist says Whipple was by himself wearing an odd outfit.

523
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 1: He was wearing a gray hoodie and underneath that hoodie

524
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: was a kind of a little suit. And tie. Something

525
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 1: really weird. That was at one thirty PM, Ryan says,

526
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,959
Speaker 1: even captured on their surveillance. Less than two hours later,

527
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 1: authorities caught up to Whipple near some corrals on a

528
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 1: dirt country road a few miles away. Two hundred searchers

529
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: a ten mile span, two days and still nothing. Something

530
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 1: that's bothering Ryan in this entire valley. All Right. I

531
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 1: feel terrible for the family. This is something that doesn't

532
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 1: deserve to happen. Things like this shouldn't go this way,

533
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 1: and I fear the worst. What it's interesting about that

534
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: is underneath his hoodie, who was wearing a kind of

535
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 1: a suit and tie. What's that about? Ellen Klauren with

536
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 1: me Crime online dot Com investigative reporter Nancy. That's one

537
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: of the many strange details that we've heard about this

538
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 1: case that have not been explained yet. That witness account

539
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:34,240
Speaker 1: was appears to have been corroborated by video surveillance studio

540
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 1: evidence that shows Alex Apple walking along the road and

541
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 1: logan at about six forty five on Saturday morning, and

542
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: he does seem to be wearing a hoodie or some

543
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 1: kind of a sweatshirt over what looks like a suit.

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00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 1: Whether he went to an interview or who knows why

545
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 1: he was wearing that. We don't know that yet, but

546
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 1: we do know that he was seen alone at six

547
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 1: forty five Saturday morning, and that's several our rescuer and

548
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,320
Speaker 1: he was apprehended by police leader in the afternoon. Jesse's

549
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:09,320
Speaker 1: Got Morgan, professor of forensics at jacksonvill State University, author

550
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon. Joe Scott, how

551
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 1: will they be processing multiple crime scenes. Well, they're gonna

552
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,839
Speaker 1: have to take it step by step, Nancy. Keep in mind,

553
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:23,240
Speaker 1: this knife and this hoodie are found in a separate area,

554
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: and they claimed that they were buried in a dirt bank,

555
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,399
Speaker 1: so that could that could complicate matters, but they'll still

556
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:30,839
Speaker 1: be able to get to the heart of the matter

557
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:35,879
Speaker 1: with this. She is another in another location. This all

558
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: sounds very hasty to me, the shallow, depressed area that

559
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 1: she's in. Whether or not it's a grave, we know

560
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 1: that there was probably debris covering her. I don't know

561
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: how much dirt was on her, even though that has

562
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: been alluded to, so they'll have to take their time.

563
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 1: I'd be fascinated to know if they could come up

564
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,240
Speaker 1: with what kind of instruments used in order to dig

565
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: this area out? Did he do this by hand? For instance?

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00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 1: You know, when I've seen the images of him, he looks, uh,

567
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: you know, kind of dirty, disheveled, disoriented, this sort of thing. Wait,

568
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: wait a minute, Wait a minute, don't even start with

569
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 1: me about disheveled and disoriented. Okay, disoriented sounds to me

570
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: like you're heading down a mental defense. Hmmm. He knew

571
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: to take this child out in the cover of darkness.

572
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,760
Speaker 1: He knew to lie about her whereabouts. He was wearing

573
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 1: two outfits, concealing a suit and tie under a hoodie.

574
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 1: He knew to hide evidence, to bury evidence in different locations,

575
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:41,320
Speaker 1: to somewhat bury her body, to lie about everything until

576
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 1: somebody said death penalty. And suddenly he wants to help

577
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:52,280
Speaker 1: out the family, to give them closure, to give them closure.

578
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: They will never have closure for the rest of their likes,

579
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: they will never have closure. There's no such thing for

580
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:09,280
Speaker 1: victims families of violent crime. They will hurt and ache

581
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: and say would have, could have, should have for the

582
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 1: rest of their lives and their dying breath. On her

583
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 1: dying breath, that mother will say, Lizzie, may he rot

584
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 1: in hell with his buddy Satan. Nancy Grace Crime Story

585
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,479
Speaker 1: signing off goodbye friend,