1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:02,320 Speaker 1: The guys from Ping. They've kind of showed me how 2 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: much the equipment matters. I just love that I can 3 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 1: hit any shot I kind of want. We're gonna be 4 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:08,960 Speaker 1: able to tell some fun stories about what goes on 5 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: here to help golfers play better golf. 6 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 2: Hey, hey, everybody, welcome back to the Pink proven Grounds Podcast. 7 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:16,759 Speaker 2: I'm Shane Bacon, joined as always by Marty Jerts and Marty. 8 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 2: We're gonna talk today. It's a touchy subject. It's a 9 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 2: part of the game we have to do almost every 10 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 2: time on every hole. So you don't have to driver 11 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 2: on every hole. You don't have to hit an iron 12 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 2: on every hole in theory, but unless you chip in 13 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:33,519 Speaker 2: or hole out, you do have to putt, and putting 14 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 2: can be tough for a lot of people. 15 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: Now you think. 16 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 2: Back fifty sixty, seventy years ago, the options weren't necessarily 17 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 2: endless in terms of what you could use on the greens. 18 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:46,879 Speaker 2: That's not the case in twenty twenty five. So I 19 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:50,200 Speaker 2: wanted to get into some alternate style puttings. You're a guy, 20 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:52,559 Speaker 2: I mean you do alternate style correct? How long have 21 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 2: you been? 22 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:53,599 Speaker 1: What are you? Are? 23 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 2: You? 24 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 1: You long putter? 25 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 2: You armlock, what do you do? 26 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: I switched to I've done it all Shane, you know. 27 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: But I switched to the long putter right after college. 28 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:07,479 Speaker 1: And it wasn't necessarily because I was having shorty hebe 29 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:09,040 Speaker 1: gebis or whatever you want to call it. 30 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 2: I just call it Yips' podcast. We can call them's 31 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 2: all right, yips. 32 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. I didn't have the yips. But I was playing 33 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:18,759 Speaker 1: a lot of golf with Kevin Stadler, you know, in Colorado, 34 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: and he just would just sweep him in and it 35 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 1: made it look so easy, and I was like, Okay, 36 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: if he can do it, he doesn't care, I'll throw 37 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 1: out my ego and try it to it. I just 38 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 1: it was like super fun. It was super fun to 39 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: practice and learn a new skill. But but but now 40 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: I did that for I did that for a long time, 41 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: played some of my best golf with the long putter, 42 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: and then the anchoring thing happened and I was didn't 43 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:41,039 Speaker 1: put good for a few years, and then I was like, 44 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: I'll try armlock, and I did that. Now I'm now 45 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 1: I'm at wristlock, miniature version of armlock. So yeah, I 46 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: don't I don't mind dabbling in some alternative techniques. Myself personally. 47 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: I want to know Shane from you. What have you 48 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 1: tried over the years? You know what I I don't. 49 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 2: I don't tinker a lot in linked I've done counterbalance. 50 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 2: I kind of dabbled in that world for a bit. 51 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 2: I sent a panic email a couple of months ago 52 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 2: to the Ping team about a different style putter after 53 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 2: a not so great run of tournament golf where I 54 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 2: was missing a lot of putts that my thing wasn't 55 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 2: I wasn't missing the shorties. I just wasn't making anything. 56 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:20,239 Speaker 2: It was like nothing from ten twelve feet. Probably a 57 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 2: little bit more mental than everything. I'm sure that's most 58 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 2: of the time where we go when we get into 59 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 2: this space. But I lean heavily, and I've leaned heavily 60 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 2: in the Mallet world myself, and for me, kind of 61 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 2: going answer to Mallet back and forth has always have 62 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:37,519 Speaker 2: been in the South for me. I will say about 63 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 2: my putter room if you will, is I do like 64 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 2: to switch a decent amount just because I do like 65 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 2: a different look. I think that's something that I've noticed 66 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 2: works well with me, even if I've got kind of 67 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 2: my baby that I like the most, seeing something a 68 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 2: little different than going back to it almost brings it 69 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 2: back to life. 70 00:02:56,840 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: There's some great research on this. Joan Vicker, who's the 71 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 1: sports psychologist here at ASU. She's done a lot of 72 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 1: work with the ASU golf team and P and Lan 73 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 1: and some research there. She did a lot of studies 74 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 1: on the yips, and so she did a study that 75 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: indicated you never want to say with the study it 76 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: firmly concluded, but it indicated that switching putters would have 77 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: a very good, acute effect on your putting performance. We 78 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 1: actually captured a bunch of data, just observational data. With 79 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: stack putting, it's kind of gamified way to practice your putting, 80 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 1: and so people are very focused playing eighteen holes, collecting 81 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 1: all this very granular data, and they go in there 82 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: and when they switch putters, they're putting performance improved by 83 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: like point five strokes gain per round. And that wasn't 84 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: like just one eighteen hole simulated round. It was over 85 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 1: the first five rounds they improved by like half a shot, 86 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: and then their second round six to ten they improved 87 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: by like point six shot strokes gains. So there is 88 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: something too, like it's kind of validating when your putter 89 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: kind of gets a little cold. I'm a big than 90 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 1: like the data kind of suggest go ahead and have 91 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: permission switch. 92 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 2: Are you surprised as a golf fan that, And granted 93 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 2: I'm gonna mention some names here that are like all 94 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 2: time great putters, but you think about Ben Crenshaw, right, 95 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 2: I mean, same putter forever. Obviously we saw that with 96 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:23,160 Speaker 2: Tiger over the years. You kind of see it now 97 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 2: with Jordan Spieth. I know Victor has kind of stuck 98 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 2: with pretty much the same putter throughout his career. It's 99 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:33,480 Speaker 2: wild to me that even those guys who at times 100 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:37,239 Speaker 2: have gone through eras of not putting great, the fact 101 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:40,679 Speaker 2: that they almost always just stick with their gamer says 102 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 2: a lot about the confidence that they have on the 103 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 2: greens that no, it's not the putter, right, it's maybe 104 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:47,480 Speaker 2: me or the stroke by the way I'm thinking about it. 105 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 2: But it's so funny to think about that era of 106 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 2: golfer and then there's obviously plenty of pros out there 107 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 2: that are completely content switching all the time and tearing 108 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 2: them off. 109 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 1: I know it is putting is it's like all the 110 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:03,280 Speaker 1: rule go out on putting. It's like you can't conclude, like, well, 111 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 1: Tiger did this, or Ben did that, or you know, 112 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 1: then you got other guys when we got I got 113 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: a picture with Lee Westwood, Okay, and he came in 114 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 1: one time when he was the number one player in 115 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,479 Speaker 1: the world, and we got every single putter he's one 116 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:17,840 Speaker 1: with in the Gold Putter vault and he had him 117 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:20,160 Speaker 1: out like this, holding him. He could hardly stand him 118 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 1: all up. And they were all different models. He's one. 119 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 2: It was a story that he he was tinkered around 120 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:27,919 Speaker 2: with one of them in the vault one time and 121 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:29,840 Speaker 2: he was like, oh, I love this putter and went 122 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 2: back to it and I think he won like two 123 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 2: ye later or something. 124 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 3: He did. 125 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like it. 126 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 2: Reminded him of an old love or an old flame 127 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:36,479 Speaker 2: or something. 128 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. So Lee, we got Lee Westwood on the other end. 129 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: You know, he'll he'll we'll switch on a whim. Migueljmen 130 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: is similar. He's he's got so many different models in there. 131 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:47,919 Speaker 1: But but but it's interesting. You'll say, you look at 132 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: a Tiger or Ben Crenshaw or even that. I think 133 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:53,600 Speaker 1: we can conclude this about Victor is that you know, 134 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:55,720 Speaker 1: Ben applied a lot of torque. You know, I even 135 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: think of Phil Mickelson. That's why he likes our I 136 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 1: two lob wedge over the years is that he rotates 137 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:05,839 Speaker 1: about the shaft axis a lot. And so those guys 138 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 1: love that feeling of like pouring on the torque, like 139 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:12,719 Speaker 1: very high torque during their putting stroke, and they just 140 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:14,559 Speaker 1: love that visceral feedback from the putter. 141 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 2: So when you dive into the different putting styles these days, 142 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:20,719 Speaker 2: obviously have a conventional putter. I mean that's somebody that 143 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 2: has a thirty five inch putter in theory and you 144 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:28,479 Speaker 2: know there maybe they're crosshand, maybe they're traditional putter's pretty 145 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 2: simple looking, you know, maybe it's an answer style or 146 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 2: tying or something like that. Obviously, we talked about armlock. 147 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 2: Armlock is a big, big popular method these days. You've 148 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:40,279 Speaker 2: got kind of counterbalance mid linked. We'll talk a little 149 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:42,159 Speaker 2: bit about the difference there. Then you've got the long 150 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 2: putters and Marty you even mentioned another style, right, I 151 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:46,600 Speaker 2: mean you've got something that that's even a little bit 152 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:50,479 Speaker 2: of a different style of armlock that you're currently using. Yeah, 153 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 2: when you go in, when you go I mean, when 154 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 2: you're going to get fit for a putter behind you 155 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 2: is if people are watching this on YouTube. Are the 156 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 2: offerings all there? I mean, do you guys provide every 157 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 2: offering possible for people to come get fit into and 158 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 2: to get at least a look at everything that's available 159 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 2: these days in terms of putting styles. 160 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Ping's got a long history. Our founder 161 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: Carson used a long putter, you know, they'll be ninety 162 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 1: and some of those putters back in the day that 163 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 1: he saw a lot of the old timers, you know, 164 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: the rock O Mediates winning with and Sam Torrence and 165 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: all that. You know, Chin anchoring long putter. So it's 166 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: it's it's it's right in our DNA of this alternative 167 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 1: style putting. And I think Carson kind of helped to 168 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: help bring the broomstick or the long style putter out 169 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:35,559 Speaker 1: there again, you know, being a good engineer, he solved 170 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 1: a problem for his set himself and passed along to 171 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: the golf marketplace. So yeah, we do have some great options. 172 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: I mean, we're just bringing out the our Oslo putter. 173 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: We're bringing out a long putter version of that. And 174 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: one of the things with the long putter, Shane from 175 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: a fitting standpoint, and my colleague Jim Canos actually worked 176 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 1: on this. He doesn't use the long putter. He doesn't 177 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: need to. Just won the Colorado Open with an arm 178 00:07:57,440 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 1: lid shut out Hard k Let's go shout out to 179 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: Hard k Win. And he lost it last year in 180 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 1: a playoff, but got it done this year hold out 181 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 1: in a playoff. And he's an armlock putter, he's always 182 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: been arm lock. That guy can absolutely roll the rock. 183 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: But he worked on a new fitting algorithm that we 184 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: have to fit the long putter cause it's kind of 185 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: hard out there. We don't we don't have great fitting tools. 186 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: The market doesn't have great fitting tools to fit the 187 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 1: long putter, but the length is crucial. So we did 188 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: this really cool study, uh, and we apply to even 189 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 1: to our tour players that are are using using a 190 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: long putter. You know, we've had a few guys David 191 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 1: Lingmerth and others using a long putter out there. And 192 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: you take your height and then we take a certain 193 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 1: percentage of your elbow to floor. So instead of like 194 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:46,959 Speaker 1: in iron fitting where we do your wrist to floor, 195 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: you kind of get in, you kind of get in 196 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:52,719 Speaker 1: your long putter posture, and we take a measurement from 197 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:56,319 Speaker 1: your elbow to floor and then how far you flare 198 00:08:56,600 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 1: your lead arm out like some people like Bernard to 199 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: have it more tucked in closer to the side. Some people, 200 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 1: more like Adam Scott, have it straight or out or 201 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 1: maybe you know Adam Scott style. And then how much 202 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 1: you bend over, how crouched you are, because again some players, 203 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 1: again Bernard stands a little taller, Adam Scott maybe bends 204 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 1: over a little bit more. And we developed a really 205 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:22,679 Speaker 1: cool algorithm that fits the length of your long putter 206 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 1: really well, and so we built that. It's in Pink 207 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: co Pilot. All of our fitters have access to it. 208 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 1: If any of you out there listening are interested in 209 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 1: exploring a long putter, you can book a virtual fitting 210 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: with us and we'll walk you right through that length fitting. 211 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:42,199 Speaker 2: Do you see when popularities and alternate style putting pops 212 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 2: on tour, you know, a player wins with an armlock putter, 213 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 2: or you know, or I mean anything really, I mean 214 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 2: you think about counterbalance something like that. Do you see 215 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 2: the general public kind of follows suit like I remember 216 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 2: the famous story about Zach Johnson years ago when he 217 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 2: won the Masters, the company almost went out of business 218 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 2: that was producing those putters. I think they have this 219 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 2: huge boom on the back end of his victory. Like, 220 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 2: do you see that tour influence kind of follow along 221 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 2: when somebody has success with a different style or an 222 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 2: alternate method. 223 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, definitely. I mean I think that What it does, 224 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: I think, Shane, is it gives the every day golf 225 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 1: for a little bit of permission and drop the ego 226 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 1: a little bit to try something huge. Right, It's a 227 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 1: really big deal. I mean, the percentage of tour players 228 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:26,679 Speaker 1: using a long putter now is maybe at an all 229 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:28,599 Speaker 1: time high. We just ran the numbers a couple of 230 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 1: weeks ago. Jim Canals did this hard k and the percentage, 231 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 1: this is a shocking stat to me. I had to 232 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 1: triple check the data. The percentage of PGA Tour players 233 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:43,119 Speaker 1: using a long putter is actually bigger than the percentage 234 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 1: of the Champions Tour players using a long putter. I 235 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 1: didn't think in my lifetime I would ever ever see that, 236 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: But the percentage is really high. Again, kind of the 237 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: ego attachment of a long putter's gone or any alternative style. Shane, 238 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 1: my eight year old played in Junior World this year 239 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: and they have this really big putting contests at Torrey Pines, 240 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 1: and then the amount of junior golfers using a mid 241 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 1: length or claw or cross handed or arm lock, and 242 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 1: all of them playing mallets. You know, the the the 243 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: answer style or answer archetype was was a rare defined 244 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 1: on that putting green. So I think you're going to 245 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 1: continue to see just such a broad mix of these 246 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: different different styles, whether it's whether it's mid length, arm lock, broomstick. 247 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, the one that hasn't exploded. I 248 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 1: thought it might would be side saddle, but that's still 249 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:36,079 Speaker 1: pretty niche. 250 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, shout out Bryce. I was trying to bring it back, 251 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 2: that's for sure. When he when he turned pro. I 252 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 2: remember a very interesting conversation that he had with our 253 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 2: team back in the Fox days about how that was 254 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:48,319 Speaker 2: the answer to putting when he turned pro and played 255 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 2: in the Sharks shoot out that year. Of course that 256 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:54,199 Speaker 2: did not that did not last, by the way, But Tinker. 257 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 1: Yep, exactly. 258 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 2: So can you can you run us through the difference 259 00:11:57,880 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 2: in counterballance in mid length, because I think that can 260 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 2: get little litle bit confusing for people. 261 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:04,239 Speaker 1: That's a great one because I think right now. 262 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 3: Kind of adding the counterbalance, it was kind of not 263 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 3: a flash in the pan, but people tried it and 264 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:14,079 Speaker 3: then it went away and it's kind of been replaced 265 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:14,839 Speaker 3: with mid length. 266 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: So I think Victor is a really great Victor is 267 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: a really great example of this where he plays our 268 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: mid length putter, but he doesn't have an added fifty 269 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: gram weight under the grip. Okay, so that fifty gram weight. 270 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:29,440 Speaker 1: I think if we think about the biomechanics of putting, Shane, 271 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 1: a lot of what we do in fitting the putter 272 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: or somebody really matching up and marrying a putter to 273 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 1: their stroke is how much are they going to rotate 274 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: the putter about the shaft axis. So that's let's say 275 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 1: you're listening to this, if you had like a GoPro 276 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: camera and you're going to attach it looking right down 277 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 1: the shaft, how much is the face going to rotate open? 278 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 1: So that's how we kind of fit to the feel 279 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 1: in resistance and amount of torque somebody puts about the shaft, Well, 280 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: the counterbalance is looking at that from the face on 281 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: view of the player. Basically, how much are they going 282 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 1: to apply torque to rotate the putter. So let's say 283 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 1: you didn't kind of linearly move your hands at all 284 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 1: translate them towards the target and away from the target. 285 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 1: And maybe you can think of like I. Salioki, He 286 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:21,680 Speaker 1: was like the ultimate example, like he just he just 287 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:24,559 Speaker 1: twisted his hands right at the middle. He would be 288 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: an I. Salioki type of putter would be one that's 289 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 1: super sensitive to the moment of inertia or the headweight 290 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 1: of the putter right And if you made the putter 291 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 1: heavier right in the middle, right where his hands are, 292 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 1: it wouldn't really affect him because he wouldn't sense it 293 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 1: the way he's applying the forces and torques to move 294 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: the putter. But if somebody moves the putter more linear, 295 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 1: they would be really sensitive to adding weight or a counterbalance. 296 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: And I think the golf market kind of experimented with that, 297 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: like let me add fifty grams, it'll stabilize it. But 298 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 1: all it really it moves the center of gravity of 299 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 1: the putter closer to your hands, and it just made 300 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 1: the putter overall heavier. And what people realize, which our 301 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 1: research has suggested on this is their speed control wasn't 302 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 1: quite as good, so your lag putting isn't quite as good. 303 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 1: So why mid length has kind of come into play 304 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: is it does a little bit of the counterbalancing, right, 305 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: You get a little bit of the counterbalancing just from 306 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 1: the natural mass of the shaft and the longer grip 307 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 1: up there. But it doesn't increase the overall weight in 308 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 1: such a way that you lose that ability to apply 309 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 1: the torqueen plane and rotate the putter from a face 310 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: on view to control your speed and your pace. So 311 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 1: that's a little bit of the science and the biomechanics 312 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: behind it, and why I think the golf marketplace and 313 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 1: a lot of the tour players and the victors out 314 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 1: there have really enjoyed this mid length gives them a 315 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 1: little extra weight. The other reason, and you see this 316 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 1: with folks. I've certainly observed this on a lot of armlock. 317 00:14:56,560 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 1: And we'll talk about that is victor and some of 318 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: these players, they will grip it not as far down 319 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 1: on longer putts and help add a little bit more 320 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: power and helps their pace in their speed, which can 321 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 1: be challenging with some of these alternative style techniques. 322 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 2: Well, you mentioned armlock, I mean I'd like to dive 323 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 2: into it. I mean, as you mentioned something you kind 324 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 2: of leaned into very popular. We've seen different iterations. Now 325 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 2: it almost feels like the old Claude's right, where the 326 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 2: first time was the claw and then we saw the 327 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 2: claw under and then we saw all different types of 328 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 2: the iterations of the claw. Yeah, the pencil claw, you know, 329 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 2: I mean, it's definitely taken a life of its own. 330 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 2: Feels like armlocks much of the same. What type of 331 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 2: player would benefit from an armlock putter? 332 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think, you know, I think what's interesting 333 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 1: about armlock is that it takes out actually one of 334 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: the big the biggest power source in putting. So the 335 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 1: biggest power source in putting and chipping is kind of 336 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 1: your inplane risk movement again that is Salioki movement, and 337 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 1: it kind of forces you to power it a little 338 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 1: bit less with the rotation of the putter about the 339 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 1: hands and more with you know, your shoulders moving or 340 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: your abdominals or kind of what's powering the stroke. So 341 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 1: it can calm down some of the powering that would 342 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 1: happen through the wrist and move the powering mechanism into 343 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 1: your shoulders and your abdominals your rocking motion, right, and 344 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 1: so it's a it's a great way to kind of 345 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: force that to happen or to cheat it, and you can, 346 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 1: you can, you can. Some of the most successful times 347 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 1: I've had with arm locking is I will apply a 348 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: massive amount of torque, like in my wrists, my lead 349 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 1: wrist max it out like white knuckle pressure, and then 350 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: you can get in there and you just rotate through 351 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: your abdominals and and and shoulders to power the stroke. 352 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: So it's a way to totally rewire your brain into 353 00:16:55,600 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 1: powering your stroke through different muscle activation. Now it's the 354 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 1: downside of that. The downside of that is because you're 355 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:07,680 Speaker 1: taking out the most powerful power source and putting, is 356 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 1: that you're long your lag putting, and your long putting 357 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 1: can kind of struggle. And this is where it's pretty interesting. 358 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 1: You know, Coocher's probably been doing it the longest and 359 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:18,399 Speaker 1: probably the best out there on tour, and once he 360 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:21,679 Speaker 1: gets to like twenty five thirty feet Shane, he's not 361 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 1: wrist locking that thing at all, armlocking it at all. 362 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 1: You'll see pictures of him and it totally comes off. 363 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 1: He uses it more like a mid length putter. So 364 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 1: if you want to try armlock, it kind of gives 365 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 1: you the ability to put with two different techniques. Still 366 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 1: set up with it with a lot of shaffling, but 367 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 1: go ahead and let it unlock on your lag putting. 368 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:43,919 Speaker 1: That's a great tip and trick. And I even do 369 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 1: that with wristlock and armlock and best super long lag putt. 370 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: You almost have to let it go because you won't 371 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: be able to get enough power. 372 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 2: You mentioned Kucher, and I think this is a question 373 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 2: I think a lot of people that are listening might have. 374 00:17:56,240 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 2: Is we've mentioned, you know, five six different iteration of 375 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:03,879 Speaker 2: an alternate style putting. We're not pro golfers, you know, 376 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 2: you don't have tour reps. You know, at the putting green, 377 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 2: you don't have all day every day to work on 378 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 2: it with different putters. How do you know or how 379 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 2: do you determine which of these is best for you? 380 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 2: And when do you start to take that step? You know? 381 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:19,160 Speaker 2: Is this a I'm missing a lot of putts, I'm 382 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 2: losing a lot of strokes on the golf course in 383 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 2: terms of the way I'm getting the ball in the hole. 384 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:25,160 Speaker 2: I should try some different things. Is this something people 385 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,159 Speaker 2: should just maybe take a look at to see if 386 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 2: there's a method that works better for them, Like, how 387 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 2: do you grasp all of these options and basically kind 388 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:35,199 Speaker 2: of find the answer to what you're looking for on 389 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:35,679 Speaker 2: the greens. 390 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:38,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think if you want to do 391 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 1: a wrist lock, arm block or mid length counterbalance option, 392 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 1: I think it's really maybe you're short putting, like like 393 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 1: like the four or maybe you do need a totally 394 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 1: kind of brain rewiring and you are having the hebgb's 395 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:57,640 Speaker 1: or the yips and from very short range. But let's 396 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 1: say that's not necessarily your issue. It's just you need 397 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 1: to make more puts from like that four to twelve feet. 398 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 1: That are those puts that are very important from a 399 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:07,640 Speaker 1: strokes gained putting standpoint, and you have it a hard 400 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 1: time with your face delivery. Face delivery is so important, 401 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:15,919 Speaker 1: like your path and what your stroke looks like. You know, 402 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:18,120 Speaker 1: remember the old Billy Mayfair days with the big over 403 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:22,439 Speaker 1: the top thing, but he putted great because path doesn't matter. 404 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 1: The physics of it is. Path doesn't matter that much 405 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: in putting. It's all about the consistency of your face delivery. 406 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:31,399 Speaker 1: So if you're having a hard time with that hitting 407 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 1: your start line, I think I think armlock, wristlock counterbalance 408 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 1: is a really good place to start. The key chane 409 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 1: and from a fitting standpoint, is getting the loft right, 410 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 1: because we've seen that there's a very big spread in 411 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 1: how much loft you need to kind of optimize your 412 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 1: launch conditions in those putters. Like Bubba did armlock for 413 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 1: a while back in the day, but he set up 414 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 1: with his left elbow or for him is right elbow 415 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:03,920 Speaker 1: very close to his sternum, so he kind of rotated 416 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 1: it in a lot and he I think we only 417 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 1: added like one degrade loft to his putter. It's very 418 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:11,879 Speaker 1: similar to his gamer. Or you can have folks like 419 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 1: like a coucher again that lean the shaft a ton 420 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,880 Speaker 1: and he's got a ton of loft, so it's very 421 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:22,399 Speaker 1: important we have. Our iping tool is a great tool 422 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:24,120 Speaker 1: for that. Or if you go to a fitting place 423 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 1: that has a you know, a quintic or something else 424 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:29,160 Speaker 1: that can get your dynamic loft or even a blast 425 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:34,200 Speaker 1: sensor something of that nature to really measure your shaffling. 426 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 1: Even nowadays, you can do it on video pretty well. 427 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:41,119 Speaker 1: You know, use a iPhone video on your camera slow 428 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 1: mo mode. If you schedule virtual fitting with us and 429 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: you take a slow mo video, we can get a 430 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:47,719 Speaker 1: we can do a really good job of measuring your 431 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 1: shaffling with a video. But those are some of some 432 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:53,360 Speaker 1: some very important keen ideas on maybe who who would 433 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 1: be a good candidate, And then the most important thing 434 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 1: is to look at your loft and your shaffling. 435 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:01,680 Speaker 2: Marty an important question, if it's something I should ask 436 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 2: as kind of a golf person. I mean, over the 437 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:05,440 Speaker 2: last what year year and a half, you're seeing these 438 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 2: torque putters kind of blow up, you know, professionally you're 439 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 2: seeing a lot of players jump into that world and 440 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:13,880 Speaker 2: we've seen them be successful in the golf space. What's 441 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 2: kind of Ping's thought process behind this popularity, if you will, 442 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 2: of torque putters, and do you see that avenue being 443 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 2: kind of ventured down at some point? 444 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a great question. It's a great question, Shane. 445 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:29,680 Speaker 1: I mean, I think you know our stroke type fitting 446 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:33,440 Speaker 1: and methodology and framework is really fitting for how much 447 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 1: torque you want to have in your stroke? Right? So 448 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 1: you know putter torque When you hear that word, what 449 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 1: is the topic? What is the concept? I did a 450 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 1: great I did a very fun podcast with doctor Eric Hendrickson. 451 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 1: We deep dive this entire thing. But really what it 452 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,879 Speaker 1: is is how much do you how much for you 453 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:58,639 Speaker 1: do you want that feel of resistance of twisting the 454 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 1: putter about the shaft act, So a putter that has 455 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 1: less torque will you will feel the putter closing less 456 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 1: on the backstroke and therefore or opening less on the backstroke, 457 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 1: and therefore you don't have to apply as much torque 458 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: to close it on the forward stroke. Definitely an advantage 459 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 1: to that, especially if you innately as a golfer, will 460 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 1: repeat your putting stroke best with that. So we've launched 461 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,919 Speaker 1: I think some folks have seen we've launched our Alley 462 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 1: Blue onset and that putter has onset to it, but 463 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:35,439 Speaker 1: there's still we're still pulling the center of gravity. And 464 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 1: what's important about pulling the center of gravity. That means 465 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 1: even though we have the shaft axis behind the face, 466 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 1: the CG or center gravity of that putter and the 467 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 1: whole system build still lays behind the shaft because that 468 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 1: stabilizes it. Just like a you know kind of a 469 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 1: you know, a water skier being pulled by a boat, 470 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 1: you kind of get this stableization effect. Or a trailer 471 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 1: pulling a trailer versus pushing a trailer. It's more stable 472 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 1: if you're pulling that center of gravity, and that's what 473 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 1: Carston brought to the golf industry. He started with the 474 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 1: one A putter. There was effectively a low torque or 475 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 1: zero torque putter and you could kind of hold it 476 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 1: on your finger and spin it around and spin very fast. 477 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,879 Speaker 1: But Carston didn't blow up and put ping on the 478 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:25,880 Speaker 1: map with the one A. He did it with the answer. 479 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: And what did the answer have? Sheene? It was the 480 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 1: plumber's neck where you pulled the center gravity that stabilized 481 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 1: the face. 482 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:36,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's it's uh. I mean, we're always 483 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 2: looking for the answers, and I'd say more than any 484 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 2: place in golf, it seems like putting is the place 485 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 2: we search the most. I mean you think about yes, 486 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,360 Speaker 2: alignment tools, alignment lines, now these golf balls. I mean 487 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,400 Speaker 2: you you can get your own colorway with the line 488 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 2: of these days in terms of the way we go 489 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,239 Speaker 2: about it. You know, you see obviously some people are 490 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,920 Speaker 2: dedicated to the line and not. But it's it's such 491 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 2: an interesting world to dive in too, because it's abundant 492 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,440 Speaker 2: and it's plentiful, and you look at all the options 493 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 2: these days from everybody, and I mean you can find 494 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 2: something that will make the most sense for you. And 495 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,159 Speaker 2: you mentioned the fitting, and you mentioned virtual fitting, you 496 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:15,439 Speaker 2: mentioned iping. Just remind people if they're interested in that 497 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,639 Speaker 2: space where they can go to maybe dial in what 498 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:20,119 Speaker 2: makes the most sense for them on the greens. 499 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. I mean, would just launch a couple new 500 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,879 Speaker 1: alternative style putting options with the OSLO. So we have 501 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 1: the OSLO Long there's a great long putter option. So 502 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 1: now we got an option out there. We have the 503 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 1: OSLO Counterbalance, a little heavier counterbalance option that we can 504 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:38,679 Speaker 1: use for fitting different lengths out there. And then if 505 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 1: somebody wants to is interested in those and once to 506 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 1: get fit with them, you can go to ping dot com, 507 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 1: navigate to the fitting portion book of Virtual Fitting and 508 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,640 Speaker 1: have a great discussion. If you bring in some specs 509 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: of your gamer putter, we can configure. We could look 510 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,119 Speaker 1: at the new OSLO options or any of our options 511 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,200 Speaker 1: in our Scottsdale Family PLD family right there with a 512 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,119 Speaker 1: virtual fitting, or go to our find a Fitter tool 513 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: is a great place you can go find one of 514 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 1: our fitters that uses our ipink technology can measure your 515 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 1: shaffling and get you kind of kind of dialed in 516 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:14,399 Speaker 1: for either a counterbalance or a long putter with our 517 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:15,880 Speaker 1: new OsO long chain. 518 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I would also say, and I think this 519 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,439 Speaker 2: is really important. It's not the most important thing, but 520 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:23,879 Speaker 2: I do think looking down at a putter you like 521 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:28,199 Speaker 2: does help the confidence absolutely. And I've been a PLD 522 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 2: guy for a long time since they first were introduced. 523 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 2: I've been using my answer PLD from the first iteration 524 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,400 Speaker 2: over the last couple of months, just kind of going 525 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 2: back to kind of what I set off the top, 526 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 2: going back to my baby, if you will, And it's 527 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 2: definitely my old school baby. But when I've got a 528 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,400 Speaker 2: buddy now that lives out here, one of my best 529 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 2: buddies out in Connecticut. He's a member at my club 530 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 2: and he's kind of gotten PLD obsessed, and he might 531 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 2: have four or five now or have different finishes and stuff. 532 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 2: But every time I play with them, I'm just like 533 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,480 Speaker 2: floored by how beautiful the putter is. And if you 534 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 2: want to go down that world, if you want to 535 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 2: go down that road, having a pretty putter, having something 536 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 2: you like looking down at, man, it makes a world 537 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 2: of difference in terms of your confidence. Even if you 538 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:10,359 Speaker 2: don't feel the best on the greens. 539 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, No, your putter needs to inspire you, you know, 540 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 1: and and and that's our goal with PLG point is 541 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 1: is you want to look down and be inspired. And 542 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,439 Speaker 1: every single one to one thousandth of an inch is 543 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 1: so meticulously milled, and and that's really it. You know, 544 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 1: putting is the unless you're doing heads up putting, which 545 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 1: has its merit that is a form of alternatives. 546 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,959 Speaker 2: Talk about it. We've talked about on this podcast. 547 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 1: So heads up putting is definitely something folks should try, 548 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 1: even even just for practicing. But unless you're doing heads 549 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 1: up putting, Shane, you know, the putting stroke is the only, 550 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,359 Speaker 1: uh is the only thing in golf where you see 551 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 1: the putter in your in your field of view the 552 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,199 Speaker 1: entire time. Right. I call it the blur effect, and 553 00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 1: a putter kind of has to blur something to your 554 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 1: liking as well, you know. So pl D Shane, the 555 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,879 Speaker 1: PLD you're using, what site line do you have on 556 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 1: do you have a site line a line on the 557 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:09,880 Speaker 1: top or at. 558 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 2: Line line on line on. 559 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 1: The on the back? So okay, so I like, what 560 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:14,119 Speaker 1: would you catch that the catch area? 561 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 2: Like, that's there's a line back there. I've got I've 562 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 2: got a dot pl D as well that that I 563 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 2: kind of go back and forth with as well, a 564 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,120 Speaker 2: little bit more of a modern pl D. But uh yeah, 565 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 2: I think I'm I think I'm a I don't line 566 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 2: the ball up, but I do like having the line 567 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,679 Speaker 2: on the putter because I I, for whatever reason I 568 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 2: for if I do line line, it doesn't match up. 569 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,399 Speaker 2: But if I do line kind of clean ball or 570 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 2: just logo ball, I uh, it makes the world the 571 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 2: difference for me. 572 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,719 Speaker 1: We're doing a lot of very fun research on that topic. Uh. 573 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 1: You know, there's a great video out there and Neil 574 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 1: Shipley talking about he's got two p l ds, two answers, 575 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 1: one with the dot and one not and he calls 576 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 1: his dot one the dotty. And we're doing some very 577 00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 1: interesting things in that in that space of studying the 578 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 1: eyes where you're looking with your when you're putting, and uh, 579 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 1: it's just it's just a fun area. That's why I 580 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,359 Speaker 1: was curious to ask you, Uh, you know which pod 581 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 1: you were you were gaming right now? 582 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:11,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, let me know if you need somebody to come 583 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 2: out and model the technology. I'd love to know if 584 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 2: my eye line was correct or if I'm doing it 585 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 2: the right way. Uh. I do grind in the backyard 586 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,199 Speaker 2: a decent amount on the putting, and I will say this, 587 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 2: I think this has been the ball striking this season. 588 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:25,479 Speaker 2: Maybe he's not been up to snuff, but I do 589 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,919 Speaker 2: think that the putter has been the consistent factor. I mean, 590 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 2: when you stand over five and eight footers, like you 591 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,119 Speaker 2: said to save par, or you know, you got the 592 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 2: five footer on a par five for the birdie and 593 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 2: you feel like he gotta make it. Rolling those with confidence, man, 594 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 2: it changes the entire experience on the golf course. 595 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 1: That that distance is so crucial. I mean Mark Brody's 596 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 1: book really highlighted that when Luke Donald was the number 597 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,719 Speaker 1: one player in the world and his stats everywhere were 598 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 1: kind of average, but he he crushed everybody from like 599 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 1: six to nine feet and really on the tour or 600 00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 1: any any golf those putts are so important from a 601 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 1: strokes game scoring standpoint, right, that strokes game putting standpoint 602 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 1: makes such a huge difference. So if you're gonna spend 603 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 1: time practicing your putting, spend it in that zone of 604 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 1: four to twelve feet, because a lot of people bang 605 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 1: in three footers and then they lag and then you 606 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 1: go on the course. So you got that, you got 607 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 1: that eight or twelve footer. 608 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you kind of going back as we 609 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 2: wrap on some of the best putters in the world, 610 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 2: it seemed like that was always their dominant area. You know, 611 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 2: you mentioned Luke Donald obviously, we mentioned Tiger earlier. I 612 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 2: mean in Tiger's prime, I mean every six seven foot 613 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 2: of the matter was right in the middle with speed. 614 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 2: Speed was so good at that. Yeah, from that ten 615 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,320 Speaker 2: to twelve foot range in his prime. And I mean, 616 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 2: you know, it's there's so many players that can have 617 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 2: a lot of confidence. Then on the other side of things, 618 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,240 Speaker 2: players that don't have a lot of confidence. That's typically 619 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 2: where they struggle, right, I mean you see the best 620 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 2: players in the world at times kind of struggle inside 621 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 2: of that six foot range when the other ones are 622 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 2: making all those and I mean they're they're round savers, 623 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 2: their round continuers, Yes, they're they're they're confidence builders, like 624 00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 2: all of the things we're looking for, because everybody in 625 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 2: the world, it's gonna spray off the tea at times, 626 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 2: you're gonna miss screens. But when you have that confidence 627 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 2: that I can make a putt if I had a 628 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 2: decent bunker shot or a decent chip shot. It does 629 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 2: wonders for your golf game, even if you're not swinging 630 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 2: at the best. 631 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 1: Ye. Well, my advice you on alternative style is don't 632 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 1: be afraid to try it. You know, all the stigma's gone. 633 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 1: Everyone's putting all kinds of different ways. I think it's 634 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 1: a very fun time. It's a very fun time in 635 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 1: this putting space that there's permission to go go do 636 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:28,960 Speaker 1: something a little bit different. If you haven't tried the 637 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 1: long putter, try it out if you have, if you 638 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 1: haven't had tried armlock or counterbalance. It's one of those 639 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 1: things you gotta you gotta experiment with, you know. 640 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, try them out. See if they make the most 641 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 2: sense for you, and you get comfortable with one. Lean 642 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 2: into it. Marty has done it for a long long time, 643 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 2: and Marty is one of the best golfers that I know. 644 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 2: So don't be scared to try yourself. That's Marty. I'm Shane. 645 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 2: This is the Pink Proving Rounds podcast.