1 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:08,959 Speaker 1: Dude, I'm a punk, I'm a country guy and a 2 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: rock guy. But everything we've done, everything I've done over 3 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: the past twenty five years has been pumped. 4 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:20,280 Speaker 2: Episode four twenty four with Cody Jinks, which we've been 5 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 2: working on getting Cody on this for a while, and 6 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 2: we were up in the studio and they were like, hey, 7 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:26,119 Speaker 2: he's gonna come by. We were like, well, we're in 8 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 2: the studio, so come on bye, So you'll hear the 9 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 2: show later on in kind of pipe in because we're 10 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 2: all just sitting here hanging out, so pretty pumped about this. 11 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:37,160 Speaker 2: Let's play the new single Outlaws and Mustangs. 12 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:41,480 Speaker 1: We won't hit the Highway just here in the nine. 13 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 2: For those that don't know, Cody Jinks sounds nothing like 14 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 2: he looks not at all. Cody Jinks was a thrash 15 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:53,160 Speaker 2: metal guy, but who grew up listening to country, who 16 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 2: toured thrash metal, which has got to be rough. 17 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: It's like, I don't want to do this anymore. Takes 18 00:00:58,480 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: a big long break, gets a real job. 19 00:00:59,880 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 2: Was like, I want to go back and do country, 20 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:07,039 Speaker 2: but it's extremely like authentic. Mostly I would be like somebody, no, 21 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 2: it's it's just real because he's still the same dude, 22 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 2: and you see him and you don't question anything. So 23 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 2: here has changed the game. A new song from Cody Jinks. 24 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: Some said I'd never made you get that out, didn't 25 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: do things right. So I showed him who louds. 26 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 2: And you may know the song Loud and Heavy, which 27 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:25,960 Speaker 2: was written with his infant son, and we'll talk about that. 28 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: But here you go under between joy him time. 29 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 2: So based in Texas, Cody Jinks really known as an 30 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 2: independent artist, one of these guys who's been doing it 31 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:39,039 Speaker 2: for a long time. But it's really really caught like 32 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 2: mainstream fire in the past few years. But even before 33 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 2: he caught mainstream fire, he was still like number one 34 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:46,479 Speaker 2: album like, he has such a cult following that finally 35 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 2: people just had to acknowledge it because I don't think 36 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 2: he's doing anything any different. It's just grown so big 37 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 2: that if you keep ignoring it, you're just the idiot. 38 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, would you agree with that? 39 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 2: State? 40 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: I agree with that. 41 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 2: So he's touring all next year, but he's also doing 42 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 2: some dates with Luke Combs on the state tour, which 43 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 2: is pretty cool. He grew up in Fort Worth. You know, 44 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 2: his dad taught him how to play guitar. Early taught 45 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 2: him how to play some riffs and stuff, started a label. 46 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:12,639 Speaker 2: Now we'll talk about that. And you know, he's had 47 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:16,239 Speaker 2: a lot of different jobs. He worked in steel freight, docs, restaurants, retail, 48 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 2: chain stores, bars, and full time musician. 49 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 1: And let's do it here. It is waited for a 50 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:24,639 Speaker 1: while for this one. Enjoy. By the way, if you 51 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: don't know what he looks like, I'm gonna long beer. 52 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 2: I would say, like Jim the Anvil Nighthard. If you're 53 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 2: like eighties wrestling. If you're like seventies, I would say 54 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 2: zz Top. If you're like nineties, I would say zz 55 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:38,799 Speaker 2: Top from the seventies. H yeah, yeah, yeah, all right, 56 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 2: Cody Jinks, here you go. 57 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: What's up, dude, come on in? Have you see Oh yeah, 58 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: we'll fling up. I think we stunned them with the clapping. 59 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:49,919 Speaker 1: You get right there. Yeah, he didn't expect to see 60 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:53,800 Speaker 1: all of you guys. Yeah, what's up? Man? Welcome Cody. 61 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: Good to talk to you, buddy. Hi guys, it's good 62 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:57,799 Speaker 1: to be here. Thank you very much. I'm good. I'm good. 63 00:02:57,800 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 1: How are y'all? We're pretty good? Are you a Dallas Cowboys? 64 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: I am good? I'm a Rangers fan. Okay, so that's good. 65 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: Then that's positive. Yeah, we we just did it. You 66 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: did it in like twelve years of heartbreak since the 67 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: last I mean, I remember where I was when we 68 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 1: lost Game seven, like in twenty eleven. Where were you. 69 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 1: I was playing a show at a really small venue. 70 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: It was a cigar bar, and they actually told us 71 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 1: not to play so we could watch the game. And 72 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 1: we still got. 73 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 2: Paid, so you didn't even have to play and it 74 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 2: was your team. Yeah, dang, I went, that's crazy, that's awesome. 75 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 1: I'm a big Cups fan. 76 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 2: And when we finally won the World Series, it was 77 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:33,239 Speaker 2: the night of the CMA's and I was supposed to 78 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 2: be part of the production, but they had it once 79 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 2: in nineteen oh eight, and for me, it was a 80 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 2: big deal. 81 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 1: You're gonna be on CBS and I was like, guys, 82 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 1: I can't come. I have to stay home and watch 83 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: Game seven. 84 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 2: And they thought it was the weirdest thing that I 85 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 2: wanted to stay home and watch a baseball game rather 86 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 2: than be on a TV show. And then we won 87 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 2: the World Series to beat the Indians. 88 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: It was awesome. I'd say you won. I mean, I 89 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 1: would say I won too. You did it? 90 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, congratulations, that's really cool on the Rangers, thank you. 91 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 2: But yes, I am a Cowboys Eddi's a massive Cowboys fans. 92 00:03:58,840 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 2: She's had a tough week. 93 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 1: Okay where he's got the got the cap on. It 94 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: was a tough week, but I mean you feel good, right, yeah? 95 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: You know it could have been much worse, and frankly, 96 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: I thought it would be worse. You know, we were 97 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: playing the uh, the Eagles, but yeah, no, it could 98 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:16,679 Speaker 1: have been worse. We're good. I don't think we're gonna 99 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 1: take it this year, but we're good. We're good. I 100 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: hope so better future on him. Yeah, man, come on, 101 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 1: And I'm not a Cowboys fan. 102 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 2: I like Cowboys now because Jerry Jones has been super 103 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 2: nice to us and allowed us to come and hang 104 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 2: out with him and do stuff. But you know, I 105 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 2: put a little something on there early in the season, 106 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 2: so I need him to, you know. 107 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: Let's do it. Hey. I hope for for your sake 108 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 1: and my sake as a fan that yeah, you win 109 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 1: lots of whatever it is your exactly. Yes, big sports 110 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 1: guy in general, huh Baseball and football predominantly, yeah, you 111 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:55,599 Speaker 1: know those two mostly uh college and and pro stuff, 112 00:04:55,720 --> 00:05:01,160 Speaker 1: but not so much hockey. I like basketball pretty good. Yeah, 113 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 1: I like sports. 114 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 2: When we're off in towns, we try to go see games. 115 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 2: How would you define the difference between Dallas and fort Worth. 116 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 2: You're from fort Worth, right, yeah, at least near fort Worth? Yes, 117 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 2: for because DFW is considered to a people from afar 118 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 2: the same. It's even called freaking DFW. But there is 119 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 2: a difference. And what is fort Worth about? 120 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 1: Uh, it's a great question. They're they're really really different. 121 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 1: Dallas is kind of more one of those towns. If 122 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:32,359 Speaker 1: you go, if somebody's like, I'm from Dallas, you know, 123 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 1: ask originally. Fort Worth is like they're going to tell 124 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 1: you I'm from fort Worth. You know. It's it's it's 125 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:43,159 Speaker 1: a different machine. You wouldn't think that, you know, in 126 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 1: the thirty five miles apart, and so that's not too far, 127 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: but you wouldn't think they'd be as different as they are. 128 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:53,280 Speaker 1: They're drastically different. You want to pump the brakes man, 129 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 1: go to fort. 130 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 2: Worth's You're right, it's it's definitely I feel more comfortable 131 00:05:57,720 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 2: fort Worth. 132 00:05:58,000 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: It's a little slower. 133 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels like there'd be more horses there. 134 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: Would that be accurate and less shiny shirts. It's well 135 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 1: over the last twenty years. I mean I used to 136 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 1: bartend in the North Side and like where Billy Bobb's 137 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:14,480 Speaker 1: is and stuff like that. So over the last twenty years, 138 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 1: I've definitely seen it get a little more sparkly, you know. 139 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 1: And that's okay. It's very cosmopolitan there now, yeah, but 140 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:25,720 Speaker 1: you know it's still home and there's there's still that 141 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: it's a big city, you know, with a smaller town feel. 142 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 1: You still get that too. Do you get to write 143 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: on the road much or are you just on the road, 144 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 1: And because I'll tour and travel, but I'm a comedian 145 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: and I'm just tired while I'm on the road all 146 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 1: the time. Can you ride on the road or do 147 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 1: you ride at home? Both? I don't ride as much 148 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:54,720 Speaker 1: on the road as I do at home. I I 149 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 1: do more writing, like I'm writing. I'm writing a book 150 00:06:57,600 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: right now, so I do more riding like that on 151 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 1: the road that I songwriting. I'm off right now. We 152 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 1: just played Illinois on on Saturday, and so I've been 153 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 1: here in town just writing songs, do some co written 154 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: and stuff the last couple of days. But I do 155 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 1: I do most of my writing at home, I would say, 156 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: is the co. 157 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 2: Writing stuff, and how Nashville does it different than how 158 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 2: you traditionally have written. 159 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: Yes and no no in that Back when I was younger, 160 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: you know, twenty years ago, when I when I first 161 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: got started in the country thing, the first rights I 162 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: did were kind of more Nashville thematic, you know, more 163 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: of a structure. And over the years I've gotten to 164 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: know people that it's very it's it's a lot more organic. 165 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 1: I don't I don't do like right times and walk 166 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 1: into an office. 167 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 2: To like a calendar and address and you're gonna show 168 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 2: up to two other people you never met before. 169 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I have to hang out with people and like, hey, man, 170 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 1: you're cool. You're cool, all right, you know I think, man, 171 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: I could probably ride with you know that person. So, 172 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 1: you know, I kind of base it off that we 173 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 1: keep it pretty loose. And I have a big ranch 174 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 1: out in the middle of nowhere in Texas. So my 175 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: wife and I had a guest house built, so we 176 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: always have all kind of wild and crazy people coming 177 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: by to ride. It's kind of like Forrest Gump's house, 178 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 1: you know, like there were always people coming in and 179 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: out all of interesting nature. Your wife has been with 180 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: you since like teenage years. First show I ever played, 181 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 1: she was there when I was seventeen. 182 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 2: So if she's at your first show, was she just 183 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 2: happen Did she just happen to be at a random 184 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 2: show or did she know that you were going to 185 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 2: be there and she was gonna go watch you play? 186 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 1: No, we had been dating at that point already, and 187 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 1: we had actually we were having an intermission. It was 188 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:52,559 Speaker 1: our junior year in dating and dating. Yeah, we're having 189 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 1: a brief intermission, but she still came to the first 190 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: show that I ever played, and that was that was 191 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 1: several thousand shows ago. But yeah, we've been married nineteen 192 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 1: together twenty six, so's she's seen everything. She's been in 193 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 1: this business as long as I have. What would you 194 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: tell somebody it's marrying or getting in a relationship with 195 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: an artist or somebody that travels a lot. My wife 196 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 1: and I were dealing with this now because she doesn't 197 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 1: work and entertainment at all. I'm gone a lot, so 198 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:21,959 Speaker 1: we're having to kind of adjust together to me trying 199 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: not to be gone as much in her to me 200 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 1: being gone all the time. What advice would you give 201 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: to a couple that's going through this, it's the same 202 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:33,839 Speaker 1: advice I'd give to any couple. Marriage is one hundred hundred. 203 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 1: It's not fifty to fifty, you know it. I got 204 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,559 Speaker 1: to know my kids when COVID hit, and one of 205 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:43,839 Speaker 1: them is a teenager. So it tells you how much 206 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: I was gone over the years. Yeah, it's you make 207 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: time for the things that you want to do. So 208 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 1: if you wanted to have a family, you know, you 209 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 1: take care of them. A lot of understanding, of a 210 00:09:56,160 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 1: lot of compassion, a lot of empathy going both ways. 211 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 1: You know, what I do is extremely tough, but you 212 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: know what my wife has to deal with because something 213 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 1: always goes wrong. You probably this probably happens to you 214 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 1: or any of you guys that travel a great deal. 215 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:15,079 Speaker 1: The air conditioner is going to go out right when 216 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: you leave, right when you're gone, and then here furthest 217 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: point away, one of the kids is going to get sick. 218 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: This will all happen simultaneously. You know, they will be 219 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 1: scheduled to have their tonsils out and you will not 220 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 1: be there, you know. So I mean, just that's real life. 221 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 1: And understand that when I come home, it's not just 222 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 1: good time, like dad coming home. You know, it's like, hey, kids, 223 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 1: you know, I totally come home like the Tasmanian Devil 224 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 1: and mess up their program. 225 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 2: That's funny, Like you're not in the everyday program. So 226 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 2: it's like you're just Dad's here and it's awesome, but 227 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 2: you're kind of a different element. 228 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, it did it. 229 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 2: Make you want to be home? You say you met 230 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 2: your kid really for the first time during COVID. Did 231 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 2: it make you want to be home more? 232 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: Yeah? Actually, after COVID hit and I realized that, you know, 233 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: we were okay, like as a band in a crew 234 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 1: and all the office people and warehouse people and stuff, 235 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 1: we were okay. Nobody missed a paycheck. And so when 236 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: we came out of the COVID thing, we didn't tour 237 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: for a year and a half, just like everybody else didn't. 238 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:17,679 Speaker 1: When we finally came back out and started playing again, 239 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: I said, you know, I only want to do about 240 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:25,559 Speaker 1: sixty shows a year anymore. And you know, I'm done. 241 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 1: I'm done doing it like we did it, you know 242 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 1: back in the day. You know, we fly in, jump 243 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: on the bus, two or three days, fly home, and 244 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 1: that that works a lot better. You know, and all 245 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 1: the guys in the band you know that have kids 246 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:42,439 Speaker 1: are in their forties and fifties. Now, we've all been 247 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 1: doing this a long time, and so trying to be 248 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: at home, you know, especially the teenage years, you know, 249 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 1: and and you know we miss so much of their 250 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 1: early childhood. So not trying to make up or atone 251 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: for anything, just be more present, you know, like we're 252 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: more successful, we've been doing a long time. We don't 253 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 1: have to be on the road too in her days 254 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: a year. 255 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 2: Do you feel like there's been a shift in country 256 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 2: we'll say country music for for just more authenticity, maybe 257 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 2: not even for a style, but just for more like 258 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 2: let's just keep it real and be who you really are. 259 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 2: Do you feel like that's happened and that's been beneficial 260 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:18,199 Speaker 2: to you. 261 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 1: In your career? Yeah, yeah, for sure. And I and 262 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: I can cite some people that, like you said, it's 263 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: more style and not just uh, it's it's authenticity. It 264 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 1: doesn't matter if it's if it's somebody like like Zach 265 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 1: Bryan or Ashley McBride. I think those two people specifically 266 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 1: are to the the hottest things and you know, biggest 267 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: you know, badasses can you say that again, that one's acceptable. Yes, cool, 268 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 1: all right, just making sure my mom. If my mom's listening, 269 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 1: I will get in trouble. You cursed on the radio. 270 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 2: Uh. 271 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 1: But you know, there's a there's a lot of people 272 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:57,839 Speaker 1: and I think it's just uh, it's real. It's it's authenticity, 273 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 1: it's it's it's not it's not the status quo as 274 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 1: to what we've known for the I guess probably the 275 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 1: better part of the last twenty years. So it's it's 276 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 1: definitely helped my career and you know, I feel like 277 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 1: in a lot of ways, you know, I've kind of 278 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 1: helped with that. And you know, I'm not gonna sit 279 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: here and be like, you know, you know, we did 280 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 1: it this way and people should do it this way 281 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 1: or YadA, YadA, YadA. It's you get you get to 282 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 1: the crowd. If you try to get to the crowd, 283 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: and you're gonna find them, and they're going to find 284 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 1: you if it's real, and you know, that's all we've 285 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:29,560 Speaker 1: ever tried to do. 286 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 2: I've often said about your career that you're one of 287 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 2: the guys that before all the platforms allowed people to 288 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 2: find their rightful audiences. We'll call them highways that you know, 289 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 2: you were you were proving that you didn't have to 290 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 2: do it the way everybody else does it. 291 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: To do it, it. 292 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 2: Might be harder, it might be different, but yeah, you're 293 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 2: one of those stories where if you just do it 294 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 2: and you believe it and you're good, eventually you're gonna 295 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 2: find an audience. Is that just from playing shows NonStop? 296 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:59,199 Speaker 1: Do you think? Yeah? It was definitely the grassroots thing, 297 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 1: staying on the road when we were you know, I 298 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 1: jumped on the road full time at twenty six and 299 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 1: I didn't come up for air until I was forty, 300 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 1: you know, so we we spent really fifteen years just 301 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 1: hammering the road and building a grassroots effort. And you know, 302 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: I can remember shows where, you know, the first time 303 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: I played Wichita, Kansas, there were four people. The first 304 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: time I played Madison, Wisconsin, there were four people. That's 305 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: you know, it's as many guys on stage as there 306 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: are in the crowd. So building it that way was 307 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 1: much tougher. You know, we didn't ever go with a 308 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: record deal, so instead of you know, getting an advance 309 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: up front from a record company, you know, we gambled 310 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 1: on ourselves to you know, have the opportunity to make 311 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: money later, just because I owned everything. I've owned my 312 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: you know, publishing, So you give up stuff when you 313 00:14:56,080 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: get that record company carrot dangled in front of your face. 314 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 1: He said, first, you know, a couple million looks good, 315 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 1: and you got to pay all that stuff back. So 316 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: we just did it ourselves, and I figured if we 317 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: were getting in. I saw how streamings were going, and 318 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: I kept thinking, Man, if it keeps moving like this 319 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 1: and we build a really underground audience and keep going 320 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: to see him like we would be fine. It would 321 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 1: just take us longer. 322 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 2: Did you feel like there was a moment or a 323 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 2: song or an album that really propelled it more than 324 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 2: the other years or was it just a gradual build 325 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 2: where you really couldn't feel like an instant impact. 326 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 1: Yes and no, both both. I would say the record 327 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 1: specifically would be Adobe Sessions. We put that out in fifteen. 328 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 1: That was really kind of a turning point for us 329 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: on that record, But I didn't even realize that it 330 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 1: was until years after, because we just put our heads 331 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 1: down and just worked. Like like I said, I didn't 332 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: come up for air until I was forty. I didn't 333 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: I didn't realize how good a shait we were in 334 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 1: once we were forced into a break, like financially, financially, 335 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: I didn't realize because like we were just working and 336 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: working and working and just saving the money, just throwing 337 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 1: it back in the bank. And you know, I've always 338 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 1: just invested in myself. I've always invested in my people. 339 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 1: I employed thirty two people, you know, I invest in them. 340 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 1: I want them to do better. You know. That that 341 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 1: was that was really nice to be able to open 342 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: my eyes one day and go because like everybody freaked 343 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 1: out at first, you know, and a lot of bands 344 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: weren't getting paid and it was tough, you know. And 345 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: I saw a lot of really good bands go through 346 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 1: a lot of really hard times, you know. And fortunately 347 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 1: because of the way we did it, being a late 348 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: bloomer kind of kind of paid off for us. Your 349 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 1: dad musical, Yeah, my mom and dad both My dad 350 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 1: taught me to play long Black Veil the lefty for 351 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: zilver Is when I was fifteen, and uh it that 352 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: was the first song you learned. That's first song I learned. Yeah, 353 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 1: and uh I learned my first three chords and then 354 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 1: it was off to the races. But I grew up 355 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 1: in the Church of Christ. So we didn't have musical 356 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 1: instrumentation when I was a kid in the church, and 357 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 1: uh there was all a cappella. So we learned how 358 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: to harmonize and listen to each other, which ultimately being 359 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 1: in a band has ironically it served me served me 360 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:29,400 Speaker 1: better not having music and learning how to sing. And 361 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: then it's probably an accidentally great education. Yeah, accidental great end. Yeah, yeah, 362 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 1: I've had some accidental not so great with It's still 363 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 1: in education though, Yeah, it's still it is. You still learn. 364 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:46,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, So you were playing guitar fifteen or sixteen? What 365 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:49,160 Speaker 2: music were you drawn to first? Did you go right 366 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 2: to metal? 367 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: To rock? Was that what we were listening to? Countries 368 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 1: is my first love. It's always been punk and metal 369 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 1: are a real close second. I'm gonna lump them together 370 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:04,399 Speaker 1: because I mean, like, dude, I'm I'm a punk. Like 371 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: there's no you know, I'm a I'm a country guy 372 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 1: and a rock guy. But everything we've done, everything I've 373 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 1: done over the past twenty five years has been punk. 374 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 1: That's that's just what I am. It's it's what I do, 375 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 1: it's how I do it. I listen to all of them, 376 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: you know, those are those are my those are my 377 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 1: main my main stays. You know, it's to me. You know, 378 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 1: it doesn't get better than than Merle Haggard and Metallica. 379 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: I kind of Revere, you know, those two kind of 380 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 1: right up there on the on the Mount Rushmore, and 381 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 1: then you know big punk guy Social Distortion and and 382 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:51,920 Speaker 1: you know Ramones, big Ramones fan. You know, I think 383 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 1: that they got a lot of stuff going that ultimately 384 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:57,919 Speaker 1: helped me in my music. If you look at some 385 00:18:58,000 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 1: of my biggest songs, they're they're punk. Real. 386 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 3: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our 387 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 3: sponsor and we're back on the Bobby Cast. 388 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 1: You ever spit on the crowd? No, that's what I 389 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 1: think about, Like CGS. 390 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 2: No, and that's a punk right there, like your counterculture 391 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 2: for sure, and you've done it the punk away. But 392 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 2: I think a punk, I think I like them, is 393 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 2: spinning and pooba on people like yeah, just letting. 394 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: Them have Yeah. No, I never got like that because 395 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 1: here's the thing. I wouldn't want that that done to me, 396 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 1: you know, And I'm not very big, So if I 397 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 1: spit on the wrong dude, I'm probably gonna get my 398 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 1: butt whipped. So uh No, we we just uh, everything 399 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 1: but the spitting and the defecating on stage. Everything but 400 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 1: everything but that, everything else except drugs. We don't do 401 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:57,399 Speaker 1: those anymore either, So we're actually very boring now, so 402 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: loud and heavy. So the song all was written with 403 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 1: your infant son. Can you tell me that story? Yeah, 404 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:05,879 Speaker 1: we were, uh we were driving down the road. It 405 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 1: was his second birthday and I was off the road 406 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 1: at the time, and uh, all he wanted to do was, uh, 407 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 1: go see tractors. So I drove him down to the 408 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 1: nearest uh uh tractor store, tractor supplier, and he was 409 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:26,880 Speaker 1: like two, you know, and he wanted to just sit 410 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 1: on it and go room. And uh it started raining 411 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:33,440 Speaker 1: really really heavy, and just said he was sitting back 412 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 1: there in his car seat and he said, lout under 413 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:38,919 Speaker 1: heavy rain. Out under heavy rain. I grabbed my phone 414 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 1: and I just hit the voice memo and I just 415 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 1: did the I mean, just exactly like it's on the record, 416 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 1: wout under heavy rain, and just hit stop. Went to 417 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 1: the tractor store. Rain led up a little bit. He 418 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 1: played for a second, and then I was like, all right, buddy, 419 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 1: ready to go. It's like I gotta write this song. 420 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 1: Went home, wrote the song Oh Sorry, I forgot I 421 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 1: had on Mike went Home. I wrote the song about 422 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 1: forty five minutes, and you know, it was it was, 423 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 1: you know, it was kind of a funny saying this 424 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 1: business business, a word gets a third, you know. But 425 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 1: there was only you know, two of us there. So 426 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 1: I actually gave him half of the writing on it. 427 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 1: So he's eleven now, but he doesn't he doesn't realize 428 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:27,680 Speaker 1: how much money that song's made. He won't because yeah, 429 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 1: he's gonna have to. We told both of our kids, 430 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 1: because my daughter's got a couple of writing credits too, 431 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 1: as that's my wife. And we told our kids it's like, no, no, 432 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 1: you don't get that. No, you go to school or 433 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 1: you get a job. You get that when you're older, 434 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 1: like eighteen twenty one, uh, maybe older than the five. 435 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 1: We don't want to have little turds, little trust fund turds. 436 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:55,680 Speaker 1: My wife and I grew up without much, so we're 437 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 1: trying to, you know, teach him. Hey man, this is 438 00:21:57,640 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 1: more about hard work than it is about anything else. 439 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 1: New songs, outlaws and mustangs. Yeah, so why why had 440 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 1: that as the new single? I really had to fight 441 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: for that song. I released my last record two years ago. 442 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 1: It was called Mercy, and we had tried to record 443 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 1: Outlaws and Mustangs on the Mercy record. It just wasn't jobbing. 444 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:19,359 Speaker 1: What do you mean, It wasn't Jiva. We couldn't. We 445 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 1: had a lead live, a lead hook for it. That 446 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:24,920 Speaker 1: just it sounded really corny to me. And it was 447 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 1: towards the end of the session, so we were all 448 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 1: pretty burned out and brain dead, and so we weren't 449 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:33,360 Speaker 1: giving it the full attention we needed. So we ended 450 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: up scrapping it. And it took me, you know, till 451 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 1: we go back in for this recording cycle to get 452 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 1: atonement for that song. We were able to go in 453 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: and I said, guys, I said, throw out everything that 454 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:48,880 Speaker 1: you played before. I said, we're starting the song over. 455 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 1: And we like, sonically or lyrically or oh no, not 456 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 1: lyrically lyrically were we kept all the same lyrics, got 457 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:57,399 Speaker 1: it all the same lyrics that lyrics were there. I 458 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:01,120 Speaker 1: did sing it a little bit differently, and I think 459 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 1: that that kind of spurred the band to uh to 460 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,159 Speaker 1: play it a little bit differently as well, and it 461 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:09,360 Speaker 1: just kind of fit. So I felt really really good 462 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 1: about that, felt like like I said, like, I had 463 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 1: a tonement for that when I was two years waiting 464 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: to make that song right. We were starting to talk 465 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 1: singles for this new record, and it was like, are 466 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 1: we really going to take the song that we could 467 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 1: not get right on the last record and like it 468 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 1: just now it shines, you know, so it's like, yeah, 469 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 1: let's let's do it, man. 470 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:28,680 Speaker 2: Like. 471 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: So that was the first one we put out. I 472 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:34,879 Speaker 1: wrote that with my friend Tennessee Jet. And that's his name, 473 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,679 Speaker 1: Tennessee Jet. Yeah, TJ McFarland. He's one of the one 474 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 1: of the best writers I know. He's an Oklahoma boy 475 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 1: and his name's Tennessee Jet. Now we got a pause. 476 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:46,119 Speaker 1: Why is his name Tennessee Jet? He's from Oklahoma, TJ. 477 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:51,399 Speaker 1: If you're listening, But we we got questions. Bro. I 478 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 1: never I've been friends with him for years. I've never 479 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 1: thought of that. Not one time I thought that. But 480 00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 1: so we don't know the answer to that. I have Okay, 481 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:02,440 Speaker 1: we'll put a pen in that one. Yeah, no, No, 482 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,160 Speaker 1: he's one of my favorite writers. I saw him play 483 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:10,639 Speaker 1: for the first time years and years ago, and and 484 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 1: just like man, we've been writing songs ever since. And 485 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,119 Speaker 1: I told him about a movie that I'd seen with 486 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 1: Kevin Costner and Woody Harrelson called The Highwaymen, where they 487 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,399 Speaker 1: were playing the police officers that tracked down Bonnie and Clyde, 488 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 1: and there was a line in the movie Kevin Costner said, 489 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 1: Outlaws and Mustangs always come home. They were trying to 490 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 1: track and kind of figure out where Bonnie and Clyde 491 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,919 Speaker 1: were going to go, you know, I figured out their pattern. 492 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 1: And so I called TJ and I said, I said, hey, man, 493 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,640 Speaker 1: you need to watch this movie and listen for this line, 494 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:44,880 Speaker 1: and then let's write a song called Outlaws and Mustangs. 495 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 1: And he's like, cool, I'll watch it. I saw he 496 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 1: watched it that night or the next night and said 497 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 1: skip a day. So I called him one one evening, 498 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 1: skip that next day, and then he called me next day. 499 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,440 Speaker 1: He said, hey, man, I think I got something, and 500 00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 1: he said, I'm gonna send it over to you. He 501 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: sent me the whole song and I said, basically, I 502 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,639 Speaker 1: just wrote the title. TJ. He said, yeah, but is 503 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 1: there anything you want to change in the song. And 504 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 1: I was like, no, it's fantastic. I'm not changing it. 505 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,159 Speaker 1: I could go screw it up. I could try to 506 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 1: change it and be like, well I had to get no, 507 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 1: it is perfect, you know. So that was a happy accident. 508 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 1: And thank you again to TJ for you know, his friendship. 509 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 1: But also man, I get stuck and he's one of 510 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 1: my first calls on a song for sure. 511 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 2: How often is it that you write a song and 512 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,439 Speaker 2: then you feel like, well it's not done, and then 513 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 2: you go back and you fix it, and then it's 514 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 2: actually fixed? Because I think all those are different things, 515 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 2: because sometimes maybe like we don't want to go back 516 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 2: to the song, or sometimes you just don't ever fix it. 517 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,920 Speaker 2: How often does all that happen where you do go 518 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 2: back and it is a success. 519 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: You know, I don't know the answer to that, maybe 520 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:56,399 Speaker 1: for anybody else. For us, we normally grind on a 521 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 1: song until we get it. If we know the songs there, 522 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 1: we'll we'll work on one song for twelve hours. 523 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 2: You know. 524 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 1: We don't do things like you know a lot a 525 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 1: lot of people use session musicians and you know, go 526 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 1: in and they'll lay a whole record down in a day. 527 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:17,160 Speaker 1: You know, it took us five months to make this record. 528 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,400 Speaker 1: We go in, I mean, we're we're a regular band, 529 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 1: so we'll spend all day on a damn song if 530 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 1: we need to. Do you ever write while you're recording? 531 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:29,440 Speaker 1: Absolutely doesn't. Do you have your own studio, I don't. 532 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 1: It doesn't make sense where I live. 533 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:32,920 Speaker 2: It feels expensive to write while I'm recording because I 534 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 2: gotta run out the freaking studio. 535 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 1: I normally write while we're recording while the band is 536 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 1: laying stuff down. I don't need to be there for 537 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,680 Speaker 1: So what I'll do is I'll know that. Let's say, 538 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 1: you know Josh, our bass player, he produces our stuff 539 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:52,680 Speaker 1: as well. He'll tell me, Hey, Cody, we're gonna be 540 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 1: laying down, you know whatever whatever on Tuesday from like 541 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 1: basically you have noon to you have noon to six 542 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 1: o'clock off Tuesday. I'll call some writers and I'll be like, hey, man, 543 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 1: can you come over to the studio between you know 544 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 1: whatever time on get it? This new record about to 545 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 1: drop has three songs on it that were written in 546 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 1: the studio, and that record comes out early next year. 547 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 1: It does early next year, and how many what is 548 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 1: your what is your theory even if it's new on albums, 549 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 1: what an album should be? 550 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 2: Or how many songs a double out? You know, everybody's 551 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:30,119 Speaker 2: different now Some artists are much more single based. Some 552 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 2: are let's do forty seven songs in an album. What 553 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 2: what what are you about? 554 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: Dumping content? I just get it out there, you know. 555 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 1: I love I think the single thing is cool. I 556 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,679 Speaker 1: think the EP thing is cool, the six pack thing 557 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 1: is cool. However you can deliver music to people is cool. 558 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 1: It's art. Just get it out there, you know. I personally, 559 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 1: I'm pretty old school. I think the concept of a 560 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 1: of a really great record, you know, let's say full 561 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 1: lengthd you know, eight, ten, twelve, fourteens, whatever, you know, 562 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,119 Speaker 1: just a great record in and of itself that you 563 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 1: can put on your turntable. Let the whole thing play. 564 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,399 Speaker 1: When the needle goes up, flip it over, let the 565 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 1: whole thing play again. That's what I'm really into, you know, 566 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,879 Speaker 1: like trimming all the fat, you know, nothing on the 567 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,440 Speaker 1: you know, this record we've got now that we're sitting on, 568 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 1: you know, I think we've got We're obviously not gonna 569 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 1: do twelve singles, but we've got just a ton to 570 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,119 Speaker 1: choose from on this record. Just because I wanted everything 571 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,199 Speaker 1: to be in all records, you know, I just love 572 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 1: the concept of a great record. Put it on let 573 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 1: it play. You know, no fat, you know, every song's 574 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 1: got to be great. 575 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 2: I went to Grimey's yesterday, which is a record store 576 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 2: here in town. It's like old school, and I was 577 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 2: shooting a show, a TV show, and they asked me, like, 578 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 2: your five best most influential albums, right, vinyl? And part 579 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 2: of the thing though, was they were just shooting some 580 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 2: beat roll of me looking through vinyl the albums. Man, 581 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 2: you kind of forget how awesome just the imagery was 582 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 2: because everything was bigger, like on an album cover. Sometimes 583 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 2: we don't ever see pictures because we're just we're just digital. 584 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 2: When you put art in an album, like visual arts, 585 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 2: is that important to you? 586 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 1: Yes? And why it is for the same reason you know, 587 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 1: we're we're somewhere in the same age category, you know. 588 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 1: So I remember, like, like you said, the word big, 589 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 1: when you're holding that vinyl, holding that LP like it 590 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 1: possesses power. When you're a kid, there's so much, there's 591 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 1: so much to look at and so much to see, 592 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 1: and then you open it up and you want to 593 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 1: read the liner notes and you want to so and 594 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 1: so played on this this record or this song and 595 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 1: this was recorded at such and such studio I heard it, 596 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 1: you know, or so and so was a guest on 597 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 1: this record, or you know, just all of those little 598 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 1: things that us music nerds, you know, look at and 599 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 1: love to see. And that's what we've just been discussing 600 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 1: on on our upcoming record. I wanted the outside to 601 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 1: really reflect like what our band is on the outside, 602 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 1: and then I wanted when you opened it up to 603 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 1: really reflect what we are on the inside, you know, 604 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 1: is you know, we do things our own way, and 605 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 1: we've we've we've designed that model on on on purpose 606 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 1: and oftentimes we're we're probably considered pretty enigmatic as a unit, 607 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 1: like how do these guys tick? Because most of my 608 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 1: guys have been with me for a long long time. 609 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 1: But it's really the sweetest group of people on the road, 610 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 1: you know, and we kind of wanted the album to 611 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 1: convey that, and the album artwork as well, you know that. 612 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 1: Like I said, you open the front up, you look 613 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 1: at the front. It's very very tough looking, and then 614 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 1: you open it up, and I wanted it to look vulnerable. 615 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 1: I wanted it to you know, be actually a picture 616 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 1: of the band smiling, or you know, a collage of 617 00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 1: pictures or whatever of us just having a good time 618 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 1: and being normal, and we've tried to let people see 619 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 1: that side of us a little bit more the last 620 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 1: few years. We've tried to be a little more accessible. 621 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 4: I guess the Bobby cast will be right back. This 622 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:23,960 Speaker 4: is the Bobby cast. 623 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,520 Speaker 1: You don't look like somebody that I would go, that's 624 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 1: a really nice kind guy. But when you meet you, 625 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 1: you go, this dude's warm and like. I like you 626 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:34,959 Speaker 1: because I followed your career for a while. You got 627 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 1: a big beard. I'm like, this dude probably shank me. However, 628 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:41,680 Speaker 1: as soon as you walked in, I was like, Oh, 629 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 1: you're actually very soft and easy to talk to. I 630 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 1: bet you probably have people tell you that a lot 631 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 1: that don't know you. Yeah, people would assume oftentimes I 632 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 1: walk around my house with my cowboy hat and my 633 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,960 Speaker 1: sunglasses on or you know, I think that's stabbing something 634 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 1: though too, probably mad yelling or throwing things. No, you know, 635 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 1: we're we're pretty we're pretty laid back. We're pretty chill. 636 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:12,080 Speaker 1: We have to work hard. So when it comes to business, 637 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 1: you know, that's when I can. I can, I can, 638 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 1: I can do what I have to do. 639 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,959 Speaker 2: In terms of that kill somebody I thought, SayMore, say 640 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 2: no more, say no more, do the same, say no more. 641 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 1: No. You know I can. I can do what I 642 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:32,720 Speaker 1: need to do business wise, but otherwise, man, you know, 643 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 1: there's a reason, there's a reason my my band and 644 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 1: crew has been with me for you know, as long 645 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:40,640 Speaker 1: as most of them have. And it's not because I 646 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 1: walk around acting like that, you know, in our crew. 647 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,520 Speaker 1: It just in a very parallel way, like we've all 648 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 1: been together like twenty years. Yeah, you know, from small town, 649 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 1: one town radio show in Texas to you know, growing 650 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,960 Speaker 1: the thing and they say the same thing I say 651 00:32:57,960 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 1: about you, that I look like somebody's really awesome and 652 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 1: and strong. Yeah. Man, that was a great time for 653 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 1: everybody just to chime in. Yeah, I got him, got 654 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 1: him trained right there. He is very strong, great leader. Yes, 655 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,440 Speaker 1: thank Yeah, yeah, we. 656 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 2: Uh, just a couple more questions for you were at 657 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 2: I was at the record store yesterday and the whole 658 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,240 Speaker 2: thing was to find these five albums that have influenced you. 659 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,360 Speaker 1: And I've worked in all different kinds of music. 660 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 2: I grew up in Arkansas, so definitely old school country 661 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 2: before new school country. And so they're like, hey, what 662 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 2: albums are they and we went through and it's like 663 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 2: the Nirvana Unplugged album and there was Casey Musgrave, same trailer, 664 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:38,480 Speaker 2: different part. 665 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 1: There's a Steve Martin record. Because you know, I do 666 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 1: a lot of comedy. For you, If you were to 667 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 1: pick a couple or a few records that really kind 668 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,400 Speaker 1: of define who you aren't have to be your favorite, 669 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,120 Speaker 1: but really have kind of made you the artist that 670 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:55,920 Speaker 1: you are. Who what would they be. It's almost an. 671 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,040 Speaker 2: Impossible question, by the way, because I felt so dumb 672 00:33:58,200 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 2: because they were like pick five and. 673 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,239 Speaker 1: I was like, I have like twenty. That is how 674 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:06,960 Speaker 1: you actually stump somebody in music. You're like, uh, you know, 675 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,920 Speaker 1: I would say. The first thing that popped into my 676 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,239 Speaker 1: head and just because it's the first thing I can 677 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:16,840 Speaker 1: I can remember like it moving me musically was the 678 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:22,320 Speaker 1: Poncho and Lefty record William Merle did. That was the 679 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 1: first memory I've had of music, like, oh my god, 680 00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 1: that just did something to me. I don't know what 681 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,279 Speaker 1: it did, but I need more of it. That was 682 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:36,760 Speaker 1: my first memory. There, you know, another let's see that record. 683 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:38,080 Speaker 1: What record do you think you lests to do the 684 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,480 Speaker 1: most in your whole life? My whole life probably Rodney 685 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:45,280 Speaker 1: Krow's Fate's Right Hand. I think that's the most complete 686 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,719 Speaker 1: record to me I've ever owned. If I had to 687 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 1: take one, let let's put it that way. I've had 688 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:53,040 Speaker 1: to take one record with me for the rest of 689 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,440 Speaker 1: my life, and it wouldn't be Merle Haggard, it wouldn't 690 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:59,160 Speaker 1: be Metallica. It would be Rodney Crowe's Fate's right Hand. 691 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:04,400 Speaker 1: I think fit that record. I've never heard a record 692 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 1: in body, A life of presence, a longing to forget 693 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:19,799 Speaker 1: the stupid stuff you've done and try to be better. Yeah, 694 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,560 Speaker 1: there you go, Rodney, I got to meet He's lovely. 695 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:24,879 Speaker 1: You guys got a bunch of money across shows. Yeah, 696 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,120 Speaker 1: I mean when we worked at Emmy Television, he would 697 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,719 Speaker 1: be there about I just wanted to a bunch of shows. Yeah. 698 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:32,200 Speaker 2: We lived in Texas for a long wait. We all 699 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,879 Speaker 2: met and like formed in Texas. Same as you were, 700 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 2: exactly the same as you. Time to say, me and 701 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:37,880 Speaker 2: you were the same person. I thought I was just 702 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:42,520 Speaker 2: like looking at looking movie arm. Yeah it's weird the glasses. Bobby, 703 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:44,320 Speaker 2: just grow a beard and that's it. 704 00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,080 Speaker 1: I know you just needed a few more tattoos. You've 705 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 1: got a good start. Yeah, I got a couple of 706 00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 1: My tattoos are like Barney the Dinosaur and there's like 707 00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,480 Speaker 1: a dead human. Yeah, I got, I got, I got 708 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,399 Speaker 1: some these are like awesome and dice. There's are dice 709 00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,480 Speaker 1: and mine's like, oh look a flower. I love that. 710 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:03,359 Speaker 1: And I was all right, No, your tattoos are your tattoos, man. 711 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,759 Speaker 1: You know those are whatever they are to you. I 712 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:07,560 Speaker 1: do have a lot of skulls. I don't know how 713 00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,319 Speaker 1: many skulls I have tattooed on me, but there are many. 714 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:10,960 Speaker 1: I have none. 715 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:11,920 Speaker 2: I know. 716 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 1: You can't believe that I have no skulls. Skulls Okay, 717 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,200 Speaker 1: we'll go together at one time. Those skulls and no nipples. 718 00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,120 Speaker 1: Do you have a nipples tattoed on you? On a woman? 719 00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,839 Speaker 1: Do I do? I have a nipple tattooed on me? Yeah, 720 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,480 Speaker 1: like a topless one with with nipples. Interesting, I don't 721 00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:26,600 Speaker 1: I have. I have tattoos all over my chest. No, 722 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,080 Speaker 1: but like I'm not on my air breasted because I 723 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,520 Speaker 1: would say, like birs on my bare breasted women. Okay, 724 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:33,879 Speaker 1: I got you know, I don't know. There's nothing. There's 725 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,200 Speaker 1: nothing on my body that that you don't have any 726 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:40,360 Speaker 1: new new other nipples. No, is that question makes sense? Now? Okay? 727 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,719 Speaker 1: Like do I have my nipples tattoo? That's a weird question. 728 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:45,920 Speaker 1: Maybe that too, No, I don't. I don't have any 729 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:50,440 Speaker 1: any like, uh, naked female forms on my my body. 730 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,800 Speaker 1: I just felt that was weird that in the naked 731 00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:57,480 Speaker 1: the truck flaps, I got my CDL two for a 732 00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,359 Speaker 1: while I was driving truck. Yeah, a long story. Yeah, yeah, 733 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:01,200 Speaker 1: but I mean. 734 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,400 Speaker 4: The truck flops that have naked women laying on them. 735 00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:03,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. 736 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:08,360 Speaker 1: The silhouette of yes, yes, it's very classy. 737 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:14,239 Speaker 4: And when the testicles hang down. Yeah, the trailer hitch, 738 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:14,960 Speaker 4: the trailer hitch. 739 00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:15,359 Speaker 1: Yeah. 740 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:17,400 Speaker 4: Things I don't get it. 741 00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:19,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's kind of funny to me. I'll be honest 742 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:21,640 Speaker 1: that one. I don't have a problem so that the 743 00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:25,879 Speaker 1: naked female silhouette bothers you. But the balls, the balls, Yeah, yeah, 744 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:27,759 Speaker 1: all right, it is what it is. I am am. 745 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,040 Speaker 1: Just two final questions. 746 00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:35,520 Speaker 2: So you're it's amazing to watch what you've built, and 747 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,360 Speaker 2: I think it's an inspiration to so many artists. 748 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,120 Speaker 1: Uh, you're also going to go out with Luke Combs. 749 00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:43,480 Speaker 1: When you get that call, do you have to think 750 00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,040 Speaker 1: because that's not really what I would picture together. 751 00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:47,360 Speaker 2: But also I don't picture it a part now that 752 00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,400 Speaker 2: it makes sense once you kind of see you guys together. 753 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,200 Speaker 1: What was that decision like, Oh, it was an easy 754 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,719 Speaker 1: decision to make. Just we played with Luke about a 755 00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:59,279 Speaker 1: year and a half ago one show, and uh man, 756 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,799 Speaker 1: he was great there. They're great. And just because I've 757 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,040 Speaker 1: done things the way that I've done things doesn't mean 758 00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,560 Speaker 1: that I don't have friends in the mainstream, you know, 759 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:08,600 Speaker 1: I have. I have a lot of friends in the mainstream. 760 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:14,240 Speaker 1: And you know, Luke and his whole organization was really 761 00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:19,520 Speaker 1: really great, uh to to my people, to us when 762 00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:21,799 Speaker 1: we played and they said, hey, you know, you want 763 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:23,719 Speaker 1: to do a stretch of show stadium shows with us? 764 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:26,799 Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, man, you know, like they 765 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,000 Speaker 1: were really they were really really kind to us. And 766 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,160 Speaker 1: you know, I didn't have to say yes if they 767 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,319 Speaker 1: you know, if they hadn't been, you know, so kind, 768 00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,080 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have said yes. But they were. They were 769 00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,080 Speaker 1: wonderful to work with. So we look forward to Man, 770 00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,080 Speaker 1: we're we're grateful, we're honored to be out there. You know, 771 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,120 Speaker 1: obviously that guy's on top of the world right now, 772 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,440 Speaker 1: and he's a really he's a really sweet guy. He's 773 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,400 Speaker 1: a genuine dude. You just signed your first artist on 774 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,239 Speaker 1: your label. Yeah, who was that? Her name's Aaron Vincourt. 775 00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,279 Speaker 1: She wants to do it the road dog way. She 776 00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,920 Speaker 1: wants to get out on the road and go do 777 00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,640 Speaker 1: the grassroots things. She kind of kind of likes the 778 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:02,600 Speaker 1: model that I did, and I was like, man, this 779 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,400 Speaker 1: is not the easy way to do it. But she's like, 780 00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:06,960 Speaker 1: but it works, you know. I was like, it does 781 00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:09,400 Speaker 1: if you can put up with it long enough. But 782 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:14,320 Speaker 1: she's outstanding, man, She's she's she's got the whole package, 783 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,880 Speaker 1: all the boxes checked. Man. She is just a sweet human. 784 00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:22,120 Speaker 1: She's an amazing singer, an amazing songwriter, she works her 785 00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,799 Speaker 1: ass off, just all the tangibles that that that you're 786 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:30,080 Speaker 1: looking for in anybody. Man. You know, she is that 787 00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,000 Speaker 1: so couldn't be you know, she's my only artist other 788 00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,480 Speaker 1: than you know, my my own stuff's on there. But 789 00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:39,080 Speaker 1: couldn't be more proud to represent such a She's just 790 00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,040 Speaker 1: a great person and I think she's going to be 791 00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:43,560 Speaker 1: kicking ass a long time. 792 00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:45,880 Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate you coming in. You know this, this 793 00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,759 Speaker 2: for me has been super cool. Thanks I thought maybe 794 00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:50,359 Speaker 2: you would go like, I don't I hate that dude. 795 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,080 Speaker 2: You know what, here we are. I've been a big 796 00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:55,839 Speaker 2: fan for a while, so for me, this is cool. 797 00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:57,440 Speaker 2: I'm super pumped. When they were like he'll come in, 798 00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:58,600 Speaker 2: I thought it was a joke. 799 00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:00,279 Speaker 1: I was like, he he likes me. They're like, no, 800 00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:01,520 Speaker 1: he doesn't know who you are. I was like, oh, okay, 801 00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:03,319 Speaker 1: that's cool. Yeah is that good? 802 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,680 Speaker 2: Okay, it doesn't hate me then, but really, just a 803 00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,080 Speaker 2: big fan. Love how you've built your entire empire, and 804 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,239 Speaker 2: we'll keep following me. Congratulations and we'll prote a new 805 00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,800 Speaker 2: record when it comes out early next year. Yeah, I 806 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,560 Speaker 2: can't wait for all the songs and love your music. Man, 807 00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:17,680 Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you all so much. 808 00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,279 Speaker 1: Appreciate your time and man, glad to be here with you, 809 00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,359 Speaker 1: and I hope you'll have a great rest of your day. 810 00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:27,600 Speaker 3: Man, there is Cody Jams. Yeah, thanks for listening to 811 00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:29,000 Speaker 3: a Bobby Cast production.